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Nice video. 😃💙 Can you imagine the F-22 if it had a hypothetical loadout of 4x AIM-260 JATM at an estimated effective range of 200 kms, along with 6x Raytheon Perigenes (4x in the belly and 2x in the side bays)? I'm hoping the Peregrine makes it into service. If you're not familiar with it, it's the same diameter and half the length (6 ft.) of the AIM-120D and therefore should be double the capacity per statements/analysis, but it has dual seeking modes of both active-radar homing and infrared, stated to have the same agility of an AIM-9X, a small fragmentation warhead, and Raytheon labels it as a "medium range" BVR missile with equal or slightly better range than the AIM-120 (they didn't specify the variant, so likely the AIM-120C).
I’m not a pilot just a guy who knows a little about a lot of things and is a fan of aerial warfare theory. It’s funny how industry hypes up things. “Extreme probability” Yeah in some situations not in most against most modern aircraft. Definitely not against an F-15EX at long range. Would you not point your nose at the incoming missile? Chaff at 4 and dive at 2? Can MWR give you a heading on incoming missile? You can’t go off visual it’s a high sonic missile Diving too early would be a mistake, correct?
Since nationalism isn't a big factor for me, no matter the scenario there's a fighter I like getting shot up or exploded. You get used to it. They just join the never-ending dogfight.
@@davedeville6540 so many possibilities man i would love to see those types of videos f-22 and f-15 or eurofighter against like 15 opponents on bvr combat
I saw a cool video about a year ago about an idea using B1's as missile carriers working with F22s as targeters.....needless to say that is a lot more missiles than a F15EX
@mandellorian Ive definitely seen plenty of comments that the eurofighter and rafale have the chops to compete in BFM with the f22. ive yet to see reports on their effectiveness in a large exercise like red flag vs stealthy platforms in bvr combat, just quotes on k:d for the stealth platforms. not saying they dont exist, but i havent seen it.
@mandellorian bro in the red flag exercise the f-22 was able to shot down 6 Rafale's, and when the french was able to shot down 1 F-22 it's because the F-22 was doing a dogfight, remember the F-22 wasn't build to fight in dogfights, he was built to shot down the target before the enemy knows he was there. so in a real fight scenario the Rafale doesn't have a chance.
An F-16, a Rafale, and a Mirage 2000 have shot down the F-22 in training. Over hyped aircraft constantly up against fighters that are not 5 generation.
@@isaan01 Except if an F-22 pilot and a pilot of any of those three planes you mentioned were both equally skilled to the point where the only deciding factor is the performance and capability of their plane, then the F-22 is going to win against any of those other three every time (assuming that the F-22 pilot does not make a severe enough mistake that their plane's performance can't save them).
@@l_poci_ no he's on about a new program for single mom kids, New DAD. It replicates their real dead by being so stealthy as to appear as if it weren't there at all.
When they first got F-22's at Nellis, the F-16 Aggressor squadron I was in flew for weeks doing 4v2 and 8v2 against them. I don't think they got a single kill on an F-22. One of our pilots came close when he came down out of the clouds and saw a 22 chasing a 16. He tried to gun him but over shot and lost thier only chance at a kill.
Excellent vid as always! Everyone says the Raptor is unproven but the fact is deterrence is the proof. Nations have a rough idea of the capabilities it brings to a fight and want no part of it.
It's quite sad the F-22 was cut so early and was never really given a chance to mature. A F-22B with upgraded avionics, an improved/more durable coating, helmet mounted display, and smaller/shorter range missiles to increase missile capacity would have really been something. The F-22 really kind of got the Tomcat treatment if you think about it.
the tomcat treatment but worse. didnt have the exports that saved the tomcat program (tomcat was due to be withdrawn in 1981 before the shah bought them)
@@leadleghighkick104 Completely different mission set. While there is some amount of overlap in most airborne offensive platforms, in no way is it reasonable to suggest the f-35 would take over the f-22's core directives.
Imagine being in a flight of 7 fighter's or multi-role fighters, and the next second you are in a flight of 3 with no freaking clue of who is shooting at you.
Very nice. I still can't imagine a real life scenario, considering every pilot has a wingman. So two F-22's is just jaw dropping in the amount of combat superiority. I'd love to see 2 Raptors intercept either a large air convoy or 2 patrol teams of 6 or 7. Migs or F15s will likely suffer the same fate either way but an amazing idea in my opinion to try.
Watching the Eagles fall was gut wrenching... I think it was the clinical ease that led to them dying; no merge, no WEZ-jamming, no opportunity to be the amazing aircraft we've all known them to be. When the heroes of your youth and, truthfully, of your elder years, get led to slaughter with little protest. It's so much different when they have a chance to fight back, the thing about dying on your feet and not your knees comes to mind. The Raptor is aptly named, this was a graphic demonstration of its abilities.
@@benwatso I will give your comment a like because i am pretty shure you ment YES :) In defence of my comment - Killing even 100 planes wile flying invisible raptor is not that significant . But killing any gen 4,5,6 in spitfire 1 on 1 would make you a god in eyes of your comrades and GS is a god when it comes to that damn Spitfire
I met one of the original flight instructors of the f-15, he told me when the f-22 came out it outperformed the f-15 100-1 in simulated wargames. the f-15 couldnt touch it.
The new F-15 EX has definitely have great upgrades and newer tech retrofitted, but F-22 pilots have described the ease by which they dispatch 4th and even some 5th gen fighters as “clubbing baby seals”
Great video! Sharing this with my dad. We went to 60th anniversary Air Force air show at Nellis and met an Aggressor pilot who said the same... that they go up 8x F-15 v 2x F-22 and it isn't even a contest 😵
The F-15 is such an iconic airplane. It's painful to watch them be so outmatched. Just goes to show the sheer dominance of the F22. God help anyone who has to be in that position.
Man I love these kinda fights! You know a F22 paired with F15's would be a dream team though! One for sight and one for a tank of missiles! Awesome video GS as always!!!!
That's the precise reason why the Eagle IIs were created. Raptors are air superiority machines - they secure the air space. The Eagle IIs are missile arsenals - they ravage the battlefield.
This just shows the immense power of stealth. It also shows the triad of combat. If you can’t see, you can’t fight. If you can’t breathe you can’t fight. If you can’t stand, you can’t fight.
So insane how such a dominant air to air platform like the F-15 just gets eaten like nothing. Would love to see this fight with a SU-57 instead of the Raptor
After years, I stopped playing DCS to focus on some retro titles again... it's been amazing. Sometimes less is more, and it's easy to overlook lack of fidelity when it's a matter of hardware limitations. Just finished 3 Longbow campaigns and am now on to F-15.
That was beautiful. I'm not quite sure what you did there, whether it was the map or the weather conditions or maybe you're using a RTX 3090Ti or something but that was pure eye candy.
I worked F-15's off and on for 24 yrs starting in the late 70's. My last Fighter was the F-22 before I retired. BUT I loved the 15! (Also got to fly in one for an incentive ride back around 1982)
It'd mean something different nowadays when you can get a bunch of BVR kills in a single fight whereas back in the day, becoming an ace meant like surviving and winning multiple dogfights lol
Actually there’s 1 and only 1 case where an Eagle was shot down by an aircraft. Not in actual combat but the Japan’s JSDF lost an F-15J to a AIM-7L accidentally fired by another F-15J during ACM training back in 95.
Hey Growling Sidewinder! I love your videos and would like see... Su-57 vs everything, Also F-16 vs everything? The donkey plane was very good! I think you should do it vs the F-22. I would love to see these fights! Thanks!
By the time the russians have two squadrons, the US will have 10 of the sixth generation. Comparing the plane that is barely operational and total number is around SIX is just meaningless. It's still not certain that they finally got proper engines. The time for the Ru to be a real air power is gone...
Su57, provided the Russians have ground or AWACS tech that could spot the F22, which might be the case. The point being that the Su57 was designed to fight near A2AD Russian areas.
F-35s have a wider variety of uses compared to the F-22. The F-22 is the best at what it does, but the F-35 is better at other things, kind of the purpose of a joint strike fighter; a master of none.
@@hotdogy12345 Very true, the only problem is for master of none to be acceptable it must be a jack of all trades. I don't know it is well suited to many of the roles it's designated for. As an example I don't see it being a great ground attack aircraft. I would guess air superiority may be debatable between the F-35 and F-22 but I think the 22 likely has the real advantage there. Harrier replacement...you go F-35! :-) These are just ramblings of a lay person, however.
@@itildude hey I'm not an expert on the F-35 at all either, just saying it does it's job good enough. It's not meant to be a replacement for the F-22 or the A-10 especially. I think it's just there to fill the gap of whatever else is needed by the Navy, Air Force, or the Marines
There is no question that the Pilot has a ton of influence on who will and won't survive any air2air action ... "IF" the hardware is somewhat on a level field. This Sim just illustrated just how much tech/hardware can influence that field. The Eagle dominated for decades batting 1.000 ...give the other side a bit of time and resource and the field can level quickly. My point being ... don't give sides B, C & D the time and opportunity to level!!! Cheers .... another fun and informative video. Cheers!!
Agreed. USAF, USN, USMC, and most US allies are or will be flying them soon. Lets see its capabilities in BVR against both 4th gen and 5th gen adversaries.
@@mynameismin3 I’m actually surprised he hasn’t done more F-35 BVR videos considering he said it’s one of his favorites when he did the F-35 vs F-22 dogfight video
Not really that crazy. There is literally no competition. All american pilots are extremely trained and planes are always kept under the best service and always upgraded and all that makes extremely big difference. In other poor countries the flight hours of pilots are REALLY low. Its mostly theory training and that is not enough against most trained crews. Not to mention that everytime USA was attacking someone they had support of AVAX, satelites and other equipment that improve capabilities by a big margin. Other countries that were attacked by USA don't have that, like not even close to it so its not really surprising. Its basically the same as when Nazi Germany attacked Poland in WW2. The difference in military is huge. Now if other countries had same military budget and training, it would be actually interesting to see.
What would happen if upon initial engagement, you did not desend into contrail airspace but flew 90° of the group? If they couldn't see you on radar wouldn't that set you up for a better 2 missile salvo and positioning for last F15? Curious as to why you defend when they can't see you?
By flying 90 degrees off the group he would no longer be able to illuminate the targets with radar, and thereby much reducing the probability of hitting with his missiles. Instead of cranking and reducing altitude, stealth might enable him to continue on high. As for not defending at all, flying straight ahead would probably have put him within visual range of the eagles which would not be desirable even if the initial four missiles hit. Even irl outside of the known dcs engagement and detection ranges, I would assume that reducing the closure rate after launching upon hostiles would be a very desirable procedure even with stealth aircraft, as stealth afford superior standoff capabilities which would be reduced by closing in.
Why defined at all after the 4 missile initial salvo? they didn't spot him on launch and were defending? would have been a quicker more merciful end for them vs. making them stress for an additional few minutes. Why the cruelty?
agree. i'd like to see this exact scenario, but keep pushing forward after the intial salvo, stay high and fast presenting your lowest RCS profile, keep the bandits busy with slammers, keep pushing launch your last 2 fox3s, keep pushing until you're in fox2 range and finish off #7 in less time. RTB in time for a latte.
@@tatumergo3931 Lol no doubt the F-22 would remain victorious. I just think it'd be interesting to see a fight where different jets use each of their advantages together
From what I've seen of the YA-9, it would basically be a Su-25. As for the YF-23, per Northrop it was faster and stealthier than the F-22 but the F-22 was the better dogfighter.
Yeah no dog fights real one f22 vs 2 su 57 in a who finds who first. Think the su57 would need 2 of them due to f22 being so deadly and undetectable. Only problem is he’s got to get one killed before the merge
Real world? Su-57 wouldn't even be there. There are, what, 2 prototypes? The thing is never going to be deployed, and it's doubtful that outside supermaneuverability it has anything that's even close to matching any of the F-22's capabilities.
So, do you think that your odds of survival would've dropped drastically had there been just one more eagle? (assuming it was flown by an experienced pilot, of course)
No, an F22 with just its machine gun annihilates the F15E due to its absurd flight model. Honestly if it wasn’t for the circumstance that lead him to missing that shot it would have been just as easy. Honestly, if he timed all his shots well, he could kill 9 F15Es without much trouble. The 22 in DCS is really that good.
How about some F-35 bvr stuff? Speaking of red flag stuff the F-35 has started showing up in aggressor squadrons and being a nightmare for blue forces. According to the latest scuttlebutt they were even downing F-22's
Well, according to the USAF during training one single F22 shot down 4 F15C, so this is not surprising at all. I don’t know capable the other so called “gen 5” are but the F22 is one scary jet, and to think the F23 was more in deadly in BVR engagement.
Distance has a big part in the probability of kill… lower the distance, the bigger the signature of the aircraft that the missiles radar sees, essentially impossible to trick an AMRAAM to follow chaff, the Russian missiles are much more prone to chaff/jamming, unless they are the electro optical missiles.
To notch a missile, you need to know the the line the missile is on from the shooter to the shoote. If you can't see where the shot came from, you can't notch it.
Amraams are very difficult to notch especially if you’re really high and the PK was high because they missiles were fired at like 40k+ at Mach 1.2+ from like 27miles. That almost 100% guarantees a hit.
If this a an accurate representation of the Raptor, I don't know how anyone could realistically have a single chance in Hell of beating the thing. SU57 and J20 be damned. Not gonna happen. BTW, if I had been that Eagle driver, I would have sent at least 5 AMRAAMS after the F22. (how many were on the Eagles?)
Yeah, but AMRAAMs need radar lock... The F-15s need to be really close to the Raptor if they want to lock it and even then, AMRAAM is for medium range... You can't really use them effectively against the F-22...
"It wasn't even that hard." Okay, so based on this simulation and this anecdotal experience you've had vs. multiples, could you elaborate a similar simulation vs SU-27s, F-16s and Mig-29s? Similar or worse for each? My estimate would be 9x SU-27s, 11x F-16s and 357x Mig-29s. Sound about right? 😝
These matchups are hard to properly gauge, as the particulars of radar performance and RCS profiles are some of the most closely guarded secrets of these airframes. For what it's worth, in a BVR fight the EX has a vastly superior radar suite than anything else you mentioned. It would only get worse for everyone else.
Within DCS, results would most likely extremely similar, albeit that the inclusion of data link for the Viper and flankers might give them a slightly better chance due to the increase in situational awareness - though all that is for naught if you're being shit out of the sky before ever detecting the raptor on radar first.
Pretty sure if I was in a flight of 7 and 6 of them caught a stick from nowhere I'd be hitting the burner, hitting the deck and getting the hell out of dodge.
I grew up in the 80s making models of F-15s when they where the undisputed air superiority fighter. The F-22 is scary, I pity the fool who picks a fight with one.
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Give yourself a real challenge.
F22 armed with FOX2 only against 7 F15x
Could you do F-22 VS. 7 SU-35 BVR or
F-15EX VS. SU-35 BVR
Gotta start thinking making your awesome content in 4K dude. I'm missing something I do not want to!
f22 vs 7 mig 31? hows end
Nice video. 😃💙
Can you imagine the F-22 if it had a hypothetical loadout of 4x AIM-260 JATM at an estimated effective range of 200 kms, along with 6x Raytheon Perigenes (4x in the belly and 2x in the side bays)?
I'm hoping the Peregrine makes it into service. If you're not familiar with it, it's the same diameter and half the length (6 ft.) of the AIM-120D and therefore should be double the capacity per statements/analysis, but it has dual seeking modes of both active-radar homing and infrared, stated to have the same agility of an AIM-9X, a small fragmentation warhead, and Raytheon labels it as a "medium range" BVR missile with equal or slightly better range than the AIM-120 (they didn't specify the variant, so likely the AIM-120C).
“I think I survived his AMRAAM shot.”
I 100% expected an explosion within 2-3 seconds.
Yea that’s pretty par for the course for him…and highly entertaining
Same!
Same
To be fair don’t AMRAAM use radar to track the target
I’m not a pilot just a guy who knows a little about a lot of things and is a fan of aerial warfare theory.
It’s funny how industry hypes up things.
“Extreme probability”
Yeah in some situations not in most against most modern aircraft. Definitely not against an F-15EX at long range.
Would you not point your nose at the incoming missile? Chaff at 4 and dive at 2?
Can MWR give you a heading on incoming missile?
You can’t go off visual it’s a high sonic missile
Diving too early would be a mistake, correct?
I grew up with the F-15, it kind of hurts to see them as targets.
The modern F-15 variants only lack stealth and maneuverability compared to the F-22. They're still plenty scary and have lots of reason to exist.
@@fim-43redeye31 yeah they are like the f-22’s luggage 🧳 boy. Carrying in missiles in volume after the f-22 makes a path.
Since nationalism isn't a big factor for me, no matter the scenario there's a fighter I like getting shot up or exploded. You get used to it. They just join the never-ending dogfight.
honestly can't relate
@@fim-43redeye31 Fun Fact! The F-22 was designed as a direct upgrade to the F-15 (at the time of its development)
The title led me to believe it was going to be a 1v7, one singular F-15EX vs 7 F-22s
F-15EX’s current objective: Survive
They'll be in the rear... Eagles will be fine.
lmao yes
lmao he can have fun dodging 6x7=42 amraams.
Just eject. Just do it. You can't lose if you don't engage.
That F-15EX vectored south hearing there were 7 F-22s in the area. Last we saw they were in a zoom climb over Vostok station in central Antarctica.
it would be cool to see these working togreather like they are ment to , F22 finding targets and F15EX being the weapons truck.
Or F-22 paired with Eurofighter Typhoons carrying Meteors…
@@davedeville6540 Some Gripens popping up in there too would be fun.
@@davedeville6540 so many possibilities man i would love to see those types of videos f-22 and f-15 or eurofighter against like 15 opponents on bvr combat
I saw a cool video about a year ago about an idea using B1's as missile carriers working with F22s as targeters.....needless to say that is a lot more missiles than a F15EX
You can do that in DCS tho? Just asking
I remember hearing about an f22 pilot at red flag against f15s that said “my concern wasn’t getting shot down, it was running out of missiles”
Lol that’s so Awesome
"Oh no, I'm an Ace now, gotta RTB for more missiles"
@mandellorian Ive definitely seen plenty of comments that the eurofighter and rafale have the chops to compete in BFM with the f22. ive yet to see reports on their effectiveness in a large exercise like red flag vs stealthy platforms in bvr combat, just quotes on k:d for the stealth platforms. not saying they dont exist, but i havent seen it.
@mandellorian They were doing fights WVR, in BVR it was all F22. In red flag versus others, we regularly go in with older tech.
@mandellorian bro in the red flag exercise the f-22 was able to shot down 6 Rafale's, and when the french was able to shot down 1 F-22 it's because the F-22 was doing a dogfight, remember the F-22 wasn't build to fight in dogfights, he was built to shot down the target before the enemy knows he was there. so in a real fight scenario the Rafale doesn't have a chance.
the f22s only weakness is that eventually it runs out of enemy planes to shoot at
Tragic isnt it? =P
Underrated comment
An F-16, a Rafale, and a Mirage 2000 have shot down the F-22 in training. Over hyped aircraft constantly up against fighters that are not 5 generation.
@@isaan01 fair point
@@isaan01 Except if an F-22 pilot and a pilot of any of those three planes you mentioned were both equally skilled to the point where the only deciding factor is the performance and capability of their plane, then the F-22 is going to win against any of those other three every time (assuming that the F-22 pilot does not make a severe enough mistake that their plane's performance can't save them).
Seeing the raptor move in 120fps but the weapon doors move at 5 was very entertaining
isn't youtube capped at 60fps
Can u timestamp
@@slowgoat6089 when he shot the AMRAAMs
One of the moments in time is when Growling Sidewinder said his catchphrase "its sidewindering time!" and sidewindered all over everyone
it's growlin time
Crazy to think what the NGAD capabilities will look like. I wish F22 production wasn’t cut so short of the mark. Hope we don’t regret it.
I mean hell if shit kicks off maybe we could see an F-22B/C upgrade or new model
Ndad or ngad?
@@danrazART ngad is the 6th gen project but its just a spelling mistake (my guess)
@@l_poci_ no he's on about a new program for single mom kids, New DAD. It replicates their real dead by being so stealthy as to appear as if it weren't there at all.
it would've been another great depression
When you fired the first four all I could think was "the f22, elusive aerial pez dispenser of death"
You should patent it
real 22 would shoot 6 in first salvo
@@hphp31416 should do a reshoot
When they first got F-22's at Nellis, the F-16 Aggressor squadron I was in flew for weeks doing 4v2 and 8v2 against them. I don't think they got a single kill on an F-22. One of our pilots came close when he came down out of the clouds and saw a 22 chasing a 16. He tried to gun him but over shot and lost thier only chance at a kill.
Excellent vid as always! Everyone says the Raptor is unproven but the fact is deterrence is the proof. Nations have a rough idea of the capabilities it brings to a fight and want no part of it.
Or are trying to get those capabilities for themselves?
*looks at Su-57*
Emphasis on "trying"?
@@jtho8937 j20 mighty dragon would like to have a word with u
Aren't F-22s being retired from stress fractures?
@@jtho8937 SU-57 has a laughably huge thermal signature, and Russia can't afford to make any more of them or fly them
@@ToyotaTechnical only the oldest jets not the entire fleet.
It's quite sad the F-22 was cut so early and was never really given a chance to mature. A F-22B with upgraded avionics, an improved/more durable coating, helmet mounted display, and smaller/shorter range missiles to increase missile capacity would have really been something. The F-22 really kind of got the Tomcat treatment if you think about it.
yup both got discontinued bc of cost problems
F to pay respects
they still fly them though afaik which is good
Luckily they're being upgraded rn. they're gonna have a helmet mounted display aswell as improved data link
the tomcat treatment but worse. didnt have the exports that saved the tomcat program (tomcat was due to be withdrawn in 1981 before the shah bought them)
F-35 kinda overtakes the F-22 though
@@leadleghighkick104 Completely different mission set. While there is some amount of overlap in most airborne offensive platforms, in no way is it reasonable to suggest the f-35 would take over the f-22's core directives.
Imagine being in a flight of 7 fighter's or multi-role fighters, and the next second you are in a flight of 3 with no freaking clue of who is shooting at you.
When they're that close together they can tape a wire from plane-to-plane, thus increasing their collective radar power c:
Funnily enough I think something like this is on the edge of possible with high bandwidth data link like on the F35
They form Radartron?
"You can't shoot what you can't see".
Still valid.
Very nice. I still can't imagine a real life scenario, considering every pilot has a wingman. So two F-22's is just jaw dropping in the amount of combat superiority. I'd love to see 2 Raptors intercept either a large air convoy or 2 patrol teams of 6 or 7. Migs or F15s will likely suffer the same fate either way but an amazing idea in my opinion to try.
Watching the Eagles fall was gut wrenching... I think it was the clinical ease that led to them dying; no merge, no WEZ-jamming, no opportunity to be the amazing aircraft we've all known them to be. When the heroes of your youth and, truthfully, of your elder years, get led to slaughter with little protest. It's so much different when they have a chance to fight back, the thing about dying on your feet and not your knees comes to mind. The Raptor is aptly named, this was a graphic demonstration of its abilities.
Magnificent words on the F-15 Eagle tombstone.
Hunting time is gone now is time to rest after more then 40 years of dominance ❤
Ive said it before, but ill say it again, its always an amazing time when GS uploads an F-22 vid :)
You did mean Spitfire right ?
@@MrLependu no?
@@benwatso I will give your comment a like because i am pretty shure you ment YES :) In defence of my comment - Killing even 100 planes wile flying invisible raptor is not that significant . But killing any gen 4,5,6 in spitfire 1 on 1 would make you a god in eyes of your comrades and GS is a god when it comes to that damn Spitfire
@@MrLependu i just like the f-22… i agree a spitfire 1 on 1 takes more skill but the raptor is just fun to watch
I met one of the original flight instructors of the f-15, he told me when the f-22 came out it outperformed the f-15 100-1 in simulated wargames. the f-15 couldnt touch it.
The new F-15 EX has definitely have great upgrades and newer tech retrofitted, but F-22 pilots have described the ease by which they dispatch 4th and even some 5th gen fighters as “clubbing baby seals”
Really appreciate how often you’re posting recently, these videos are always awesome!
thank you for watching them.
Great video! Sharing this with my dad. We went to 60th anniversary Air Force air show at Nellis and met an Aggressor pilot who said the same... that they go up 8x F-15 v 2x F-22 and it isn't even a contest 😵
The last guy, as he ejects, sees who shot them down.
Pilot: Hey, thats an F-22. He's on our side. Isnt he? WTF!
The F-15 is such an iconic airplane. It's painful to watch them be so outmatched. Just goes to show the sheer dominance of the F22. God help anyone who has to be in that position.
nope don't help em let their last few moments be of sheer agony and fear
Man I love these kinda fights! You know a F22 paired with F15's would be a dream team though! One for sight and one for a tank of missiles!
Awesome video GS as always!!!!
I think that's pretty much airforce doctrine? Send in stealth to neutralize AA and then send in the missle trucks.
That's the plan, and why the F-15EX exists, lol.
That's the precise reason why the Eagle IIs were created. Raptors are air superiority machines - they secure the air space.
The Eagle IIs are missile arsenals - they ravage the battlefield.
Would be nice if we do silent eagles. Front cross section is as stealthy as an F35.
This just shows the immense power of stealth. It also shows the triad of combat. If you can’t see, you can’t fight. If you can’t breathe you can’t fight. If you can’t stand, you can’t fight.
I thought that was Quick Silver
Yeah! No mercy! Cobra Ki Kobra ki
So insane how such a dominant air to air platform like the F-15 just gets eaten like nothing. Would love to see this fight with a SU-57 instead of the Raptor
Please this!!!
After years, I stopped playing DCS to focus on some retro titles again... it's been amazing. Sometimes less is more, and it's easy to overlook lack of fidelity when it's a matter of hardware limitations. Just finished 3 Longbow campaigns and am now on to F-15.
The military did this several years ago. It was five F-15s against one F-22. The F-22 killed them all before the F-15s could even pick it up on radar.
7:25
In this situation I'd likely have fled, tried to get as much speed on the f22 as humanly possible and bolt- not try to search and fight.
Exactly F15 does Mach 2.5 V F22 Mach'2.2
@@theelf152 it's not a guarantee but by God it is more in favor of the f15 to gain altitude and speed then the f22 lol
7:11 "Allllll by mysellllllf. Don't wanna be, allllll byyyyy myyyyyseeellllllfff"
The F-15’s the father of the F-22. Every generation gets better.
"Mobius 1, engage!"
That was beautiful. I'm not quite sure what you did there, whether it was the map or the weather conditions or maybe you're using a RTX 3090Ti or something but that was pure eye candy.
"...honestly, it wasn't even that hard." LOL, wonder if they said that in Red Flag?
There was a saying in China back when F-22 came out: 7 J-7 (Mig 21) for 1 F-22. That saying aged like milk
It was absurdly advantageous for the F22. Nice.
I'd like to see a 2 v 1 guns fight, like 2 Gen4s vs 1 F22. Might be interesting.
I worked F-15's off and on for 24 yrs starting in the late 70's. My last Fighter was the F-22 before I retired. BUT I loved the 15! (Also got to fly in one for an incentive ride back around 1982)
I'd like to see a ground strike mission with the F-15EX with support from the F-22.
When its the F-22... The title should have been "F-22 Raptor goes seal clubbing".
“Honestly, it wasn’t even that hard”, said any F-22 pilot 😆
1:00 what a sight to see Eagle drivers 🦅🫡
I am such an F-22 fanboy. This video was dope. 4:13 in seeing the sky raining fire was great. Well done and great video.
I gre up with the F-14. Old school. Tracked an entire squadron. 24 targets at 24 miles. Fire and forget but that F-22 is an amazing machine
Imagine if a raptor driver made ace in like 1 minute by yeeting 5 AMRAAMs all at once and basically instantly splashing 5 enemy fighters.
It'd mean something different nowadays when you can get a bunch of BVR kills in a single fight whereas back in the day, becoming an ace meant like surviving and winning multiple dogfights lol
@@Kerjunnnn now days it's probably rarer to even engage in air-to-air combat than it was to have aces in WW2.
A King with no enemy
May long he reign
Actually there’s 1 and only 1 case where an Eagle was shot down by an aircraft. Not in actual combat but the Japan’s JSDF lost an F-15J to a AIM-7L accidentally fired by another F-15J during ACM training back in 95.
There's an Israeli F15 that was shot by a Syrian MiG21 MF lol
the distant boom sound effect is amazing so addictive
Hey Growling Sidewinder! I love your videos and would like see...
Su-57 vs everything,
Also F-16 vs everything?
The donkey plane was very good! I think you should do it vs the F-22.
I would love to see these fights! Thanks!
I-16 (Donkey) vs F-22
And, or do the F-16 vs I-16.
By the time the russians have two squadrons, the US will have 10 of the sixth generation.
Comparing the plane that is barely operational and total number is around SIX is just meaningless. It's still not certain that they finally got proper engines.
The time for the Ru to be a real air power is gone...
@@panan7777 The Russians and Chinese are catching up but not fast and good enough compared to the US Navy and Airforce
@@regular7156 cope harder yankee
@@ayugoslav5554 seethe harder Slav when one single B-2 spirit bombs your entire family on a hiding shed in Romania.
I remember a story from the wargames in Alaska when the F-22 was very new, the first time the 15's saw the F-22 was when it formed up on there wing
Do Mig31 with hypersonic missle vs f 22
Niet.
Niet.
Niet.
Yob tvoyu mat!
(boom)
Wouldn’t be much of a fight. Fancy missile can’t do anything if it can’t lock on.
Should be called the F-22 DEMON.. That's nuts and I'm glad I'm a merican..
Superb bro....thanks for sharing
1 was watching the 7v1 Korean Mig 29 V F-15 video last night thinking you needed to do this again. Thanks!
Second!
I think this channel has the highest quality DCS content around
It's crazy how beautiful the surroundings are.
The F-22 really needs a challenger to compete with or something similar to dominate the air, but the F-15 was close enough. GG
Do u mean in terms of vaibility for the us airforce or this vid?Cuz this wasnt close
Su57, provided the Russians have ground or AWACS tech that could spot the F22, which might be the case. The point being that the Su57 was designed to fight near A2AD Russian areas.
Made that look really easy.
I've said for a long time we should be building a ton of F-22s instead of the singular focus on the F-35.
F-35s have a wider variety of uses compared to the F-22. The F-22 is the best at what it does, but the F-35 is better at other things, kind of the purpose of a joint strike fighter; a master of none.
@@hotdogy12345 Very true, the only problem is for master of none to be acceptable it must be a jack of all trades. I don't know it is well suited to many of the roles it's designated for. As an example I don't see it being a great ground attack aircraft. I would guess air superiority may be debatable between the F-35 and F-22 but I think the 22 likely has the real advantage there. Harrier replacement...you go F-35! :-) These are just ramblings of a lay person, however.
@@itildude hey I'm not an expert on the F-35 at all either, just saying it does it's job good enough. It's not meant to be a replacement for the F-22 or the A-10 especially. I think it's just there to fill the gap of whatever else is needed by the Navy, Air Force, or the Marines
There is no question that the Pilot has a ton of influence on who will and won't survive any air2air action ... "IF" the hardware is somewhat on a level field.
This Sim just illustrated just how much tech/hardware can influence that field. The Eagle dominated for decades batting 1.000 ...give the other side a bit of time and resource and the field can level quickly. My point being ... don't give sides B, C & D the time and opportunity to level!!!
Cheers .... another fun and informative video. Cheers!!
Honestly I think it’s time we finally did a BVR fight between an F-22 and an F-35. Also would love see more F-35 videos involving BVR
Agreed. USAF, USN, USMC, and most US allies are or will be flying them soon. Lets see its capabilities in BVR against both 4th gen and 5th gen adversaries.
@@mynameismin3 I’m actually surprised he hasn’t done more F-35 BVR videos considering he said it’s one of his favorites when he did the F-35 vs F-22 dogfight video
Sir... you straight up *disrespected* their asses. LMAO!
Love seeing the F-22 carnage.
Many thanks
@3:12 there is an epic shot for wallpaper F-22 4x AMRAAM
It's crazy to think the f15 has been around 40plus years without a loss.
Not really that crazy. There is literally no competition. All american pilots are extremely trained and planes are always kept under the best service and always upgraded and all that makes extremely big difference. In other poor countries the flight hours of pilots are REALLY low. Its mostly theory training and that is not enough against most trained crews. Not to mention that everytime USA was attacking someone they had support of AVAX, satelites and other equipment that improve capabilities by a big margin. Other countries that were attacked by USA don't have that, like not even close to it so its not really surprising. Its basically the same as when Nazi Germany attacked Poland in WW2. The difference in military is huge. Now if other countries had same military budget and training, it would be actually interesting to see.
@@vasilije94 The whole US military strategy is to ensure no other country on the planet can compete. Thats why we spend B I L L I O N S on military.
@@vasilije94
To be fair, the US isn’t the only operator of the F-15. Israel and Saudi Arabia have seen some action with them as well.
There is evidence to show that one was 'destroyed' by a maneuver kill in Iraq and that the US government covered it up.
With any luck they'll retire that way.
Wow that was awesome! Great video!
What would happen if upon initial engagement, you did not desend into contrail airspace but flew 90° of the group? If they couldn't see you on radar wouldn't that set you up for a better 2 missile salvo and positioning for last F15? Curious as to why you defend when they can't see you?
exactly there was no point to even defend or even crank in this case
Why to defend? Guess he got used to it 😅
By flying 90 degrees off the group he would no longer be able to illuminate the targets with radar, and thereby much reducing the probability of hitting with his missiles.
Instead of cranking and reducing altitude, stealth might enable him to continue on high. As for not defending at all, flying straight ahead would probably have put him within visual range of the eagles which would not be desirable even if the initial four missiles hit. Even irl outside of the known dcs engagement and detection ranges, I would assume that reducing the closure rate after launching upon hostiles would be a very desirable procedure even with stealth aircraft, as stealth afford superior standoff capabilities which would be reduced by closing in.
Why defined at all after the 4 missile initial salvo? they didn't spot him on launch and were defending? would have been a quicker more merciful end for them vs. making them stress for an additional few minutes. Why the cruelty?
agree. i'd like to see this exact scenario, but keep pushing forward after the intial salvo, stay high and fast presenting your lowest RCS profile, keep the bandits busy with slammers, keep pushing launch your last 2 fox3s, keep pushing until you're in fox2 range and finish off #7 in less time. RTB in time for a latte.
It'd be interesting to see a fight involving many different types of jets vs 1 F-22
@@tatumergo3931 Lol no doubt the F-22 would remain victorious. I just think it'd be interesting to see a fight where different jets use each of their advantages together
@@tatumergo3931 I mean all at the same time!
Need to see 1 F 22 vs 45 North Korean Mig 29's next, after all 2 eagles are superior to 10 NK Mig 29's, so if the F-22 beats 7 eagles...
Each adversary of the US needs to see this...
I wonder how well the YF-23 would perform against the F-22.
Or the A-10 vs what was meant to be the A-9 but never was so YA-9
From what I've seen of the YA-9, it would basically be a Su-25. As for the YF-23, per Northrop it was faster and stealthier than the F-22 but the F-22 was the better dogfighter.
Not to mention that after they FENCE-in, Eagles like to form up in an "Eagle Wall"
I think you should do a real world f22 vs su57 in the same environment no clues let’s see how good the f22 really is 👍
I think a few vids like these were made already on this channel.
Yeah no dog fights real one f22 vs 2 su 57 in a who finds who first. Think the su57 would need 2 of them due to f22 being so deadly and undetectable. Only problem is he’s got to get one killed before the merge
@Leon Guerero 😂😂😂😂😂
Real world? Su-57 wouldn't even be there. There are, what, 2 prototypes? The thing is never going to be deployed, and it's doubtful that outside supermaneuverability it has anything that's even close to matching any of the F-22's capabilities.
I talked to some Navy guys too and the F-22 takes out all f-18 squadrons they ever come across
So, do you think that your odds of survival would've dropped drastically had there been just one more eagle? (assuming it was flown by an experienced pilot, of course)
No, an F22 with just its machine gun annihilates the F15E due to its absurd flight model.
Honestly if it wasn’t for the circumstance that lead him to missing that shot it would have been just as easy. Honestly, if he timed all his shots well, he could kill 9 F15Es without much trouble. The 22 in DCS is really that good.
@@andrewrogers3067 don't even pretty old jets use gatlings now?
@@andrewrogers3067 It can't kill 9 if it can only carry 6 in bay. Anything it carries outside make it detectable. The 15 can outrun the 22 also
@@theelf152 Can't outrun the 22s missles though.
Lol at that point when he finally got a lock he should've spammed like 2 or 3 😂😂
How about some F-35 bvr stuff? Speaking of red flag stuff the F-35 has started showing up in aggressor squadrons and being a nightmare for blue forces. According to the latest scuttlebutt they were even downing F-22's
Agreed. Want something like this with F-35 vs multiple adversaries. Or a pair of F-35 vs 8 flankers.
Well that's absolutely terrifying
Excuse the stupid question, but which map are you playing this on? Great Video!
I have friends that talked to F-15 pilots that faced the F-22. They said it wasn't even fair.
Well, according to the USAF during training one single F22 shot down 4 F15C, so this is not surprising at all. I don’t know capable the other so called “gen 5” are but the F22 is one scary jet, and to think the F23 was more in deadly in BVR engagement.
Sadly, she didn't win the competition
Looking at the intro, god the f22 is an incredibly pretty aircraft.
Basic Question: IF "notching" is so effective, how did these AMRAAMS have such a high probability of kills??
In 1980's notching wasn't very effective Vs F-15C it wouldn't be vs 2000's F-22.
Pretty hard to notch an AMRAAM from what I know
Distance has a big part in the probability of kill… lower the distance, the bigger the signature of the aircraft that the missiles radar sees, essentially impossible to trick an AMRAAM to follow chaff, the Russian missiles are much more prone to chaff/jamming, unless they are the electro optical missiles.
To notch a missile, you need to know the the line the missile is on from the shooter to the shoote. If you can't see where the shot came from, you can't notch it.
Amraams are very difficult to notch especially if you’re really high and the PK was high because they missiles were fired at like 40k+ at Mach 1.2+ from like 27miles. That almost 100% guarantees a hit.
I love these types of videos. Just F-22 creating havoc 😂
It's kinda a shame the f22 won't see any air to air combat, I don't think there's a fighter any pilot wouldn't feel safer in
You better hope it won’t
Lol, I hope there wont be any conflict big enough requireing the F-22
@@Mike_Romeo exactly
Such a good video. I love the multiple bogies vs F22 videos!
If this a an accurate representation of the Raptor, I don't know how anyone could realistically have a single chance in Hell of beating the thing. SU57 and J20 be damned. Not gonna happen.
BTW, if I had been that Eagle driver, I would have sent at least 5 AMRAAMS after the F22.
(how many were on the Eagles?)
Yeah, but AMRAAMs need radar lock... The F-15s need to be really close to the Raptor if they want to lock it and even then, AMRAAM is for medium range... You can't really use them effectively against the F-22...
It looks like 12 amraams on each eagle from the shot at 4:28
That was the very definition of Air Superiority. The F-22 is the big dog, and a serious bad mofo.
Day 55 asking F35C vs F/A-18 Super Hornet
Ask later
@@jasonnato5682 why
F-22 might as well be a 1-man army, lol. Great video!
"It wasn't even that hard." Okay, so based on this simulation and this anecdotal experience you've had vs. multiples, could you elaborate a similar simulation vs SU-27s, F-16s and Mig-29s? Similar or worse for each? My estimate would be 9x SU-27s, 11x F-16s and 357x Mig-29s. Sound about right? 😝
These matchups are hard to properly gauge, as the particulars of radar performance and RCS profiles are some of the most closely guarded secrets of these airframes. For what it's worth, in a BVR fight the EX has a vastly superior radar suite than anything else you mentioned. It would only get worse for everyone else.
Within DCS, results would most likely extremely similar, albeit that the inclusion of data link for the Viper and flankers might give them a slightly better chance due to the increase in situational awareness - though all that is for naught if you're being shit out of the sky before ever detecting the raptor on radar first.
Awesome! So cool to see that bird in action.
Pretty sure if I was in a flight of 7 and 6 of them caught a stick from nowhere I'd be hitting the burner, hitting the deck and getting the hell out of dodge.
THE GOAT DOES IT AGAIN great vid as always
I grew up in the 80s making models of F-15s when they where the undisputed air superiority fighter. The F-22 is scary, I pity the fool who picks a fight with one.
Everything was too easy for my tastes. Didn't quite get how you defeated his AMRAAM so quickly/easily there at the end. Thanks again.
AMRAAM uses radar to track its target. Stealth works on missiles, too. ;)
@@VisibilityFoggy Not that simple - even GS thought he was in serious trouble there. By no means impervious to radar.
That's the way to clean house!