hehe yeah, when I was thinking for decks and thought about how MLB has a bad matchup against prison I thought it was too perfect! Glad you noticed, I didn't know if anyone would think about it too deeply lol
I main this deck now in dear days? I can't imagine it having been the worst but I assume because they can resummon the prison mons back for free right? So is the deck good or bad?
@@MJ-oi6ul well you see sir/madam. back in the set 1 meta (no cuff spring, makarite, turquoise) it wasnt that great. the addition of those cards made it better but it wasnt scary until Purelight showed up. nowadays if you know your deck well you can play around prison pretty easily so its kinda fallen off again.
@@88Deux Yeah those ones do get absolutely rocked in this video lol, Nirvana Jheva with the resist boi does a bit better but current support gets them walked all over like a sidewalk
I definitely agree that if you manage resources it can help a lot, but I think the matchup can be really bad especially if Prison goes first since it makes it a lot harder for Bruce to use some of its combo cards effectively like getting soul numbers for the SC 4 order and Bryan. This especially being the case if Prison rushes early to take advantage of Bruce in that capacity. Although if Bruce goes first they definitely have more opportunities available to them since they will have at least 1 turn to go full combo against Prison. Prison has the opportunity to go full combo back tho, so that one just depends on how aggressive Bruce gets to be versus how defensive Prison gets to be back I think. And if Prison guarded Bruce on turn 3 then they would be at 1 damage going into that turn (assuming no crit on Bruce's turn 2), so I would say that they have pretty good odds most things considered even though Bruce can get like +3 crit. Then the next turn is a lot more in Prison's court since Bruce would need to deal with the turn 4 and then still be able to build back up the resources to muster a good aggro again. Managing their resources definitely could allow Bruce to do more restand turns in the game for sure, but I think if Bruce doesn't get to try to go real crazy then it can be a pretty mid offense (at least for the G4).
PBO is one of the decks that USES prison to it's advantage. It doesn't use that many resources so it can use the resources to get cards out of prison and plus that way.
Oh yeah I think PBO has a pretty good matchup against prison, it can really depend on how you build the deck and execute certain plays but as long as you're considering the matchup, there's not a lot prison can actually do against it
@@vanguardpotential3153 Agreed, I think that's one of the strong points of the deck honestly since it has early game options to pressure decks that pop off turn 4, has retire options to counter early game play, a good going second turn 3 and Emmeline once it comes out. It's a really utility based deck
@@vanguardpotential3153 Idk as much about the premium PBO side of things aside from the obvious of getting to superior ride early which does sound potentially spicy
If they focus too hard on trying to hit 10 in Prison then I can def see that, Greedon can get a lot of advantage from just recycling the same dudes and pop the heck off!! But I feel like with the chance of Tazer Lage and just the resource sink that could become it would be like 😵💫
@@vazis I tend to give up units like Kuvisgee, Gouman and Bubettsu so I can just use them again when the time is right. And its funny Kuvisgee pays for himself and one other if you use CB. And I tend to tech in Yadda with the Dofunds to turbo the big boss to 10 soul. And have have spare soul to pay bail with as well if I need to.
@@EdaciousBear oh Yaada is an interesting choice to help in the Prison matchup! The other parts of the combo might be hurt by Tazer Lage resting a called card, but that def makes it so you won't have to touch your hand too often to use Greedon's skill! Plus getting to 10 soul quickly is pretty goated for dem power gains 💪
That's so nice of you to say, thank you very much!! I'm just a guy making some funny videos at the moment, and I'm glad that people seem to be having a good time watching them like I have a good time making them!
Yeah some decks were just told to accept what Prison can do to them! Some bite the bullet and try to go banana anyways but other decks try and keep the game going until they can have enough to to make a good turn
Yuh cause Bastion is BASED and the only resource it cares about is having OTHER BASTIONS (CB is kinda nice tho ngl) Also Bastion just kinda has a really nice matchup with Prison too, especially with Fosado just countering the whole mechanic
I don't think the matchup is super favorable from what I can imagine at least since the soul manipulation from G4 Snow leaves Greedon on an uphill battle trying to maintain their number of cards in soul each turn (due to the need to sb2 to restand and they only really get 4 from rears and Snow taking 2 means they net even). Plus, they might have to lose out on certain other cards that buff VG like the G2 that gives him 5k so the VG attack won't really be too strong. A lot of other cards that can help Greedon hurt in the Snow matchup too since they are either CB/SB heavy or call another thing to the RG circle for another swing which can just benefit Prison more. Not to mention, Greedon doesn't really plus from drives too often unless you use one of the skills that increase that, so I imagine, from a hypothetical standpoint at least since I've never actually seen a fight of it personally, that it would be extremely tough for Greedon. There could definitely be something that I overlooked there though if there was a certain card or way to play that actually makes the matchup super good if you could tell me whether that is the case or not?
@@vazis It's quite easy for Greedon to soul charge, even more so now thanks to Dofund. Getting to 10 Soul even against Purelight isn't really a problem. You are also forgetting Greedon player chooses what cards from Soul go to damage so you can keep the important stuff in there It's more of an uphill battle for Purelight to get many cards in the Prison, they have to use effects to get Drop Zone, Soul and Deck into Prison as against Purelight, it's best for Greedon to leave an empty field, and then on your next turn, you just use Greedon to call from Prison for its skill so you don't have to worry about using your hand to do Greedon plays. When Purelight is used to rip 2 cards from hand, I just put in 2 cards I was going to call for next turn anyway. Because the limited Prison stops Purelight giving the front row from getting Criticals, they have to try to get to 7 damage with only 3 attacks If you pace your CB around Prison, Greedon easily walks all over Purelight
@@BlackKyurem5 Oh I didn't know about Dofund! That certainly helps for soul, but what I was referring to was more so that Greedon has a small 4 card soul once they hit G3, so they are comparatively limited in options to remove cards from soul so they can't have a ton of good pieces in there like Greedon usually can. Bofund certainly helps with that, but he doesn't help as much with Prison's win condition. Properly playing Prison in that matchup means that you limit the Greedon player's CB so that they can't just call 4 from Prison with it every turn. Prison would just swing with VG and give crits to rears and give 1 cb each turn, which would require the Greedon player to either SB to get cards back or call from hand. This would mean either weaker attacks or more cards in prison so that they could go for the 10 if they want, but it isn't the active game plan. The win condition for Prison is to deck Greedon out since Greedon would have around 28-30 cards in deck (assuming restand on first turn for max aggro and the average 2 damage, otherwise it could be an easy setup turn for Prison guarding Greedon's turn 3). Since Greedon takes 5 cards out of deck each turn at a minimum (for draw and 4 drives), excluding persona ride and cards like Bofund and such that SC or increase drives, and the one damage a turn would take 1 card out at a time too. After a little while, once the Greedon player is at crit for death range is when revealing a crit is super important since it would mean that the VG and the RG w/crit would need to be blocked on top of calling 4 from hand due to no CB (maybe a little with soul depending on how much you can afford, but hand would probably be better at that point). It can be worse if the RG to guard is the one that puts guardians to prison since it increases prison number and, with little resources, leaves no way to fetch them back. Another game plan the Prison deck could run with would be calling down a ton of aggro early to accelerate the game pace since if Greedon responded by calling rears then they would just be imprisoned and let the Prison deck get more in the way of power on G4 turn, which paired with the rush could sting a bit. So the main options are either to guard or to take hits which would just leave the match to what develops out of that. The Prison player could also consider, in this instance, not using the G4 effect to nab from soul so that the CB gained from the rush can't be used to gain back units and make it into a slug fest, but that one's just food for thought. This is what I would imagine optimal play would be for the Prison deck since just giving the outs to Greedon by feeding them damage with no other plan of action (like the rush or restricting them to deck them out) would be like handing them free cards lol, also apologies for the response being pretty long, but is there another counter-play option that you think Greedon has that I overlooked?
@@vazis Those Prison strategies aren't effective against Greedon when Greedon strategy against Prison is just Vanguard swing and hide your units in the soul. You seem to be speaking theoretically while I am speaking from experience as a Greedon main who has 2 mates at locals who main Prison. You are heavily underestimating Greedon ability to maintain soul in matchup, it's really not that hard at all Prison won't be able to damage deny Greedon effectively if Greedon is the only thing that can attack, unless they want to forfeit Vanguard attacks which just makes the kill turn much for difficult to pull off since you'll be trying to go from something like 0-2 all the way to 7 while Greedon has a hand they didn't bother guarding with before. If you don't have kill pressure already, rushing against Greedon is a bad idea since it'll trigger the 5k in the Soul so much faster. I often no guard early game. The only strategy that works is hoping the Greedon player decks out, however Greedon is getting a new support card that prevents Greedon from decking out at the cost of only 1 Prison target for leaving it out there so that strategy will fly out the window.
@@BlackKyurem5 I'm just trying to discuss optimal strategy here, not attack Greedon. Every deck has weak points otherwise they would be tier 0 and that's why knowing matchups is always so important, to know what your deck can do to best exploit those weaknesses while hiding your own. I also have a friend who is really good with Prison and I've fought against him a lot and know Prison inside and out which is why I was comfortable making this video. The Prison deck would want to only give one damage a turn by swinging VG to VG so they don't want to damage deny, they want to damage restrict. They would also want to stall Greedon below 4 so Bushokku doesn't go online and guarding is easier. Then they allow Greedon to deck out through not having a lot of options to increase aggression. As for the rush option, I understand that Greedon would likely no guard in order to have Bushokkus active, but that is the point of accelerating the game state since being at high damage can still be a little risky even if the Greedon player has guard that they didn't use early since power can get really high after turn 4 and it will take a lot more to guard one attack, and the unit that puts guard cards to prison could increase the power gain as well during those turns. I also made this video with the support at the time in mind since a lot of decks will definitely change over time and will become better able to deal with more outcomes. Desire Devil, Codok definitely makes it so that the stall tactic is less likely to be effective, but then Prison could adapt in turn with other cards too in the event that there is something to help them available.
@@vazis tbf, destructo disc is almost like a double trigger. Either it kills the opponent or it was gonna do nothing because the opponent had enough pgs in hand.
I just realised piccolo is mlb cause he's got two dudes in his soul
hehe yeah, when I was thinking for decks and thought about how MLB has a bad matchup against prison I thought it was too perfect! Glad you noticed, I didn't know if anyone would think about it too deeply lol
The thing is. Which one is blaster blade and blaster dark. I would probably say nail is dark and kami is blade
Prison went from being tier 1 gate keeper to one of the worst decks to immediately top 5 arguably top 3.
I remember when everyone (me included) thought that it would just be the best TD of the 5 and then it was the worst one lol, and now we're here
I main this deck now in dear days? I can't imagine it having been the worst but I assume because they can resummon the prison mons back for free right? So is the deck good or bad?
@@MJ-oi6ul well you see sir/madam. back in the set 1 meta (no cuff spring, makarite, turquoise) it wasnt that great. the addition of those cards made it better but it wasnt scary until Purelight showed up. nowadays if you know your deck well you can play around prison pretty easily so its kinda fallen off again.
Well until you are mat he'd up against eva. Imprisoning obscudeid is basically begging to be peppered by 2 crits every single turn.
The detail in the Japanese lines too, this is perfect!
Thank you!! I thought it would be a nice touch lol
I feel personally attacked by this video because almost every deck I play got its shit rocked
I will say that at least Prison is an equal opportunity employer since it does not discriminate and will NOT hesitate to mess anybody up
@@vazis oh yeah it's just too funny as my main decks are Bruce Greedon and Nirvana
@@88Deux Yeah those ones do get absolutely rocked in this video lol, Nirvana Jheva with the resist boi does a bit better but current support gets them walked all over like a sidewalk
@@vazis ain't that the truth
greedon being bruce's shit son was hilarious, very good video
Thank you!! I'm glad you enjoyed it lol
Why am I just now seeing this video. Either way I just subscribed please keep the vanguard memes coming
Aww thank you!!! I plan on doing so for at least a little while yet so SIR YES SIR 🫡
Bruce’s matchup against Prison isn’t too bad, just requires you to manage your resources and watch what you soul blast.
I definitely agree that if you manage resources it can help a lot, but I think the matchup can be really bad especially if Prison goes first since it makes it a lot harder for Bruce to use some of its combo cards effectively like getting soul numbers for the SC 4 order and Bryan. This especially being the case if Prison rushes early to take advantage of Bruce in that capacity. Although if Bruce goes first they definitely have more opportunities available to them since they will have at least 1 turn to go full combo against Prison. Prison has the opportunity to go full combo back tho, so that one just depends on how aggressive Bruce gets to be versus how defensive Prison gets to be back I think. And if Prison guarded Bruce on turn 3 then they would be at 1 damage going into that turn (assuming no crit on Bruce's turn 2), so I would say that they have pretty good odds most things considered even though Bruce can get like +3 crit. Then the next turn is a lot more in Prison's court since Bruce would need to deal with the turn 4 and then still be able to build back up the resources to muster a good aggro again. Managing their resources definitely could allow Bruce to do more restand turns in the game for sure, but I think if Bruce doesn't get to try to go real crazy then it can be a pretty mid offense (at least for the G4).
And now Look what they did to my Girl still no support getting bullied by THE BIG 3 Chrono, Youth, Ebisu . Even Magnolia bringing back the Inlet
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Bruce: Not so funny now huh.
Gravidia: Is Nirvana gonna be ok?
As a Flagburg player I dread the inevitably of fighting prison
Flagburg has it tough as is, they don't deserve to have to worry about Prison too 😔
PBO is one of the decks that USES prison to it's advantage. It doesn't use that many resources so it can use the resources to get cards out of prison and plus that way.
Oh yeah I think PBO has a pretty good matchup against prison, it can really depend on how you build the deck and execute certain plays but as long as you're considering the matchup, there's not a lot prison can actually do against it
@@vazis exactly, and a good PBO player always takes match ups to account honestly
@@vanguardpotential3153 Agreed, I think that's one of the strong points of the deck honestly since it has early game options to pressure decks that pop off turn 4, has retire options to counter early game play, a good going second turn 3 and Emmeline once it comes out. It's a really utility based deck
@@vazis mhm, tho honestly the underrated part of PBO is the premium side. LIKE WHAT'S UP WITH THAT?!
@@vanguardpotential3153 Idk as much about the premium PBO side of things aside from the obvious of getting to superior ride early which does sound potentially spicy
Security Upgrader too stronk
It do be a crazy card lol
Powerful player:thank for free soul blasting
You know fair enough lol, Powerful certainly deserves to get a dub somewhere
I tend to have a field day fighting prison as Greedon.
If they focus too hard on trying to hit 10 in Prison then I can def see that, Greedon can get a lot of advantage from just recycling the same dudes and pop the heck off!! But I feel like with the chance of Tazer Lage and just the resource sink that could become it would be like 😵💫
@@vazis I tend to give up units like Kuvisgee, Gouman and Bubettsu so I can just use them again when the time is right. And its funny Kuvisgee pays for himself and one other if you use CB. And I tend to tech in Yadda with the Dofunds to turbo the big boss to 10 soul. And have have spare soul to pay bail with as well if I need to.
@@EdaciousBear oh Yaada is an interesting choice to help in the Prison matchup! The other parts of the combo might be hurt by Tazer Lage resting a called card, but that def makes it so you won't have to touch your hand too often to use Greedon's skill! Plus getting to 10 soul quickly is pretty goated for dem power gains 💪
This vid needs to spread its too good
That's really kind of you to say, thanks!!
Ah yes, the two decks that require certain cards/cards in soul and the Overdress user try to take on Purelight. How badly could this go? lol
Just wanna follow up that I love PNG memes, I look forward to your growing success. 👍
That's so nice of you to say, thank you very much!! I'm just a guy making some funny videos at the moment, and I'm glad that people seem to be having a good time watching them like I have a good time making them!
Back when prison was relevant, now it barely scrapes by
That promo for the G4 makes it able to be pretty scary sometimes, but until that comes to EN then I gotta agree
underrated meme
This happened to me today😅😅😅
Purelight feels just as fun in 2024 with its new promo 🥲
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As a Greedon Player I can relate
Yeah some decks were just told to accept what Prison can do to them! Some bite the bullet and try to go banana anyways but other decks try and keep the game going until they can have enough to to make a good turn
@@vazis I mean Greedon has a better Matchup then most, just annoying to fight XD
@@sonicmaster047 Yeah I don't imagine that yoink from soul is ever much fun unless you get to run stuff like Inlet Pulse 🤣
Very relatable
notice how Bastion isn't here...
Yuh cause Bastion is BASED and the only resource it cares about is having OTHER BASTIONS (CB is kinda nice tho ngl)
Also Bastion just kinda has a really nice matchup with Prison too, especially with Fosado just countering the whole mechanic
Wait did Piccolo actually swear?
It's a fan dub by Teamfourstar lol
Wait, Greedon is quite good against Prison
I don't think the matchup is super favorable from what I can imagine at least since the soul manipulation from G4 Snow leaves Greedon on an uphill battle trying to maintain their number of cards in soul each turn (due to the need to sb2 to restand and they only really get 4 from rears and Snow taking 2 means they net even). Plus, they might have to lose out on certain other cards that buff VG like the G2 that gives him 5k so the VG attack won't really be too strong. A lot of other cards that can help Greedon hurt in the Snow matchup too since they are either CB/SB heavy or call another thing to the RG circle for another swing which can just benefit Prison more. Not to mention, Greedon doesn't really plus from drives too often unless you use one of the skills that increase that, so I imagine, from a hypothetical standpoint at least since I've never actually seen a fight of it personally, that it would be extremely tough for Greedon.
There could definitely be something that I overlooked there though if there was a certain card or way to play that actually makes the matchup super good if you could tell me whether that is the case or not?
@@vazis It's quite easy for Greedon to soul charge, even more so now thanks to Dofund. Getting to 10 Soul even against Purelight isn't really a problem. You are also forgetting Greedon player chooses what cards from Soul go to damage so you can keep the important stuff in there
It's more of an uphill battle for Purelight to get many cards in the Prison, they have to use effects to get Drop Zone, Soul and Deck into Prison as against Purelight, it's best for Greedon to leave an empty field, and then on your next turn, you just use Greedon to call from Prison for its skill so you don't have to worry about using your hand to do Greedon plays. When Purelight is used to rip 2 cards from hand, I just put in 2 cards I was going to call for next turn anyway. Because the limited Prison stops Purelight giving the front row from getting Criticals, they have to try to get to 7 damage with only 3 attacks
If you pace your CB around Prison, Greedon easily walks all over Purelight
@@BlackKyurem5 Oh I didn't know about Dofund! That certainly helps for soul, but what I was referring to was more so that Greedon has a small 4 card soul once they hit G3, so they are comparatively limited in options to remove cards from soul so they can't have a ton of good pieces in there like Greedon usually can. Bofund certainly helps with that, but he doesn't help as much with Prison's win condition.
Properly playing Prison in that matchup means that you limit the Greedon player's CB so that they can't just call 4 from Prison with it every turn. Prison would just swing with VG and give crits to rears and give 1 cb each turn, which would require the Greedon player to either SB to get cards back or call from hand. This would mean either weaker attacks or more cards in prison so that they could go for the 10 if they want, but it isn't the active game plan. The win condition for Prison is to deck Greedon out since Greedon would have around 28-30 cards in deck (assuming restand on first turn for max aggro and the average 2 damage, otherwise it could be an easy setup turn for Prison guarding Greedon's turn 3). Since Greedon takes 5 cards out of deck each turn at a minimum (for draw and 4 drives), excluding persona ride and cards like Bofund and such that SC or increase drives, and the one damage a turn would take 1 card out at a time too. After a little while, once the Greedon player is at crit for death range is when revealing a crit is super important since it would mean that the VG and the RG w/crit would need to be blocked on top of calling 4 from hand due to no CB (maybe a little with soul depending on how much you can afford, but hand would probably be better at that point). It can be worse if the RG to guard is the one that puts guardians to prison since it increases prison number and, with little resources, leaves no way to fetch them back.
Another game plan the Prison deck could run with would be calling down a ton of aggro early to accelerate the game pace since if Greedon responded by calling rears then they would just be imprisoned and let the Prison deck get more in the way of power on G4 turn, which paired with the rush could sting a bit. So the main options are either to guard or to take hits which would just leave the match to what develops out of that. The Prison player could also consider, in this instance, not using the G4 effect to nab from soul so that the CB gained from the rush can't be used to gain back units and make it into a slug fest, but that one's just food for thought.
This is what I would imagine optimal play would be for the Prison deck since just giving the outs to Greedon by feeding them damage with no other plan of action (like the rush or restricting them to deck them out) would be like handing them free cards lol, also apologies for the response being pretty long, but is there another counter-play option that you think Greedon has that I overlooked?
@@vazis Those Prison strategies aren't effective against Greedon when Greedon strategy against Prison is just Vanguard swing and hide your units in the soul. You seem to be speaking theoretically while I am speaking from experience as a Greedon main who has 2 mates at locals who main Prison.
You are heavily underestimating Greedon ability to maintain soul in matchup, it's really not that hard at all
Prison won't be able to damage deny Greedon effectively if Greedon is the only thing that can attack, unless they want to forfeit Vanguard attacks which just makes the kill turn much for difficult to pull off since you'll be trying to go from something like 0-2 all the way to 7 while Greedon has a hand they didn't bother guarding with before.
If you don't have kill pressure already, rushing against Greedon is a bad idea since it'll trigger the 5k in the Soul so much faster. I often no guard early game.
The only strategy that works is hoping the Greedon player decks out, however Greedon is getting a new support card that prevents Greedon from decking out at the cost of only 1 Prison target for leaving it out there so that strategy will fly out the window.
@@BlackKyurem5 I'm just trying to discuss optimal strategy here, not attack Greedon. Every deck has weak points otherwise they would be tier 0 and that's why knowing matchups is always so important, to know what your deck can do to best exploit those weaknesses while hiding your own. I also have a friend who is really good with Prison and I've fought against him a lot and know Prison inside and out which is why I was comfortable making this video.
The Prison deck would want to only give one damage a turn by swinging VG to VG so they don't want to damage deny, they want to damage restrict. They would also want to stall Greedon below 4 so Bushokku doesn't go online and guarding is easier. Then they allow Greedon to deck out through not having a lot of options to increase aggression. As for the rush option, I understand that Greedon would likely no guard in order to have Bushokkus active, but that is the point of accelerating the game state since being at high damage can still be a little risky even if the Greedon player has guard that they didn't use early since power can get really high after turn 4 and it will take a lot more to guard one attack, and the unit that puts guard cards to prison could increase the power gain as well during those turns.
I also made this video with the support at the time in mind since a lot of decks will definitely change over time and will become better able to deal with more outcomes. Desire Devil, Codok definitely makes it so that the stall tactic is less likely to be effective, but then Prison could adapt in turn with other cards too in the event that there is something to help them available.
Wait, shouldn't Krillin have been Eugene?
It very well could've been, but Gravidia has a special place in my heart for that double trigger skill and it just feels right
@@vazis tbf, destructo disc is almost like a double trigger. Either it kills the opponent or it was gonna do nothing because the opponent had enough pgs in hand.
@@joshuagreen8995 That is a valid point
Eugene has a really good Prison Matchup though
@@Sol-KageWith how their mechanics interact you aren't wrong