The Last Burst Made and Why I Never Want to Own One | 1960 Gibson Les Paul Sunburst | WYRON 154
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The 1958, 1959, 1960 Gibson Les Pauls are the pinnacle - the King - The highest level of authority Les Paul you can get. They were not successful instruments at first, but thanks to many famous people using them, the values have gone crazy.
In this episode we discuss a Les Paul that was made at the same time as the first SG/LPs in 1960. This is coined 'The Last Burst' by the owner as it is 300 digits after the next last know burst.
I also discuss my opinions of the burst. I look up to these guitars, but I never actually pine after owning one. There is a lot of financial burden to owning such an expensive guitar and at this point in my life, this guitar is worth more than everything I own in my life. I would still love to document one, but until I get the chance to really get intimate with one, I'm not really interested in playing it.
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I respect the lore behind the bursts, but I would prefer to leave it as just that - a fantasy of a mythical instrument that makes you play like the Gods! This is why I don't really desire to ever own one of these guitars or really even want to play one for that matter. If a fan of the show would like to bring one by... I'll gladly document one though.
This is how I was with my first Gibson. I never tested one out (on any $$$ level) until it was time to buy one!
I'd honestly rather have a vintage Junior, sue me haha
I would definitely Rock the last burst though, the top is sweet
but seriously.....full story on the snakepit les paul I have wanted to know for a while!
The Trogly's Guitar Show I would play it yes, but the prospect of owning one is too much for me. I feel like you’d have to have extensive security and insurance in something like that. I enjoy the lore like you do but at the end of the day any guitar can be like that. Look at the Steve Vai Jems from the mid to late 80’s. They’re sought after but they aren’t holly grails
when this was first posted on reverb it was $950,000!
That one guy really?! Jesus that’s not even reasonable
I have played a real ‘58, ‘59 and a ‘60. They were great guitars, but honestly it wasn’t like the clouds parted and angels sang. Like any other guitars, there are good ones and bad ones. I have a 1990 Standard that I like more than either of the 3 bursts.
A Burst is a Burst so if for some reason I am able to get my hands on one, then Hell yeah I'm gonna rock it
it's weird because i'm getting a free sunburst les paul looks like all these some guy was given to for free and he is just giving it to me XD crazy all he needs to do is replace a pic up which he just did ...so lol
GoggleFoggleFace! Loggle Toggle doesnt matter, if not from these years, aint relevant...
Please do a video on the fake snakepit scam! I am very curious to know how it played out!
I saw a 1959 Les Paul Standard at Tommy's Guitar Shop (Everett, WA) in 1999. It was in a glass case and I was blown away as well as underwhelmed at the same time. After the wow factor passed, I realized it had seen a lot of action at gigs. Somehow, I was expecting more flame in the maple. The top was dinged and very faded, the neck & fretboard was abused and the frets were worn down to almost flat. At 60K (asking price) I considered a second mortgage but didn't bite. Mike McCready ended up buying it (along with a trade) shortly before Tommy's death. I think the Gibson re-issues of this guitar would have been a much better value for the money.
How many does he own now? I saw a video with him sat there in his room full of Bursts. I reckon he should chance his name to Mike McGreedy lol
@@9imack i believe he has 4 59' bursts (tours with 1), 2 59 Strats (tours 1) and a 59 JR (gift from his wife, has recorded with but does not tour)
Ive played a 58, a 59, AND a 60 burst. All three years of production. Ive also owned a 1953 goldtop. I can understand what your saying about worrying about a fake. But if i ever had the chance or the means to own a Burst i would NO QUESTION buy one. Most of the bursts that have come to market are pretty documented in terms of their history. The neck on the 58 was one of the most incredible necks i've played. HOWEVER, i would easily pair it against a 56 LP Custom in terms of the incredible playability. For a mere mortal like me, MAYBE one day ill find myself a 56 custom after i sell off most of my guitars....but i absolutely have no regrets about playing "my hero" of the guitar world. The 58 Burst is by far the best guitar i've ever played. I currently have a 58 vos reissue thats about as close as i can get to the real thing xD
I actually was allowed to play a 60 burst for a few minutes. A reputable broker let me play it as he knew it was a bucket list thing for me to do. It played awesome and felt great but holding an object in my hand that is worth more than my house was very unsettling. As a bonus the following week he let me play a 56 Tele. I was a little less nervous holding it as it was only worth as much as a new car.
Wade Guidry Wow I bet the old Tele was a beauty too , had to chuckle in your comparison - house price Vs new car price , easily relatable 😊👌
Besides, what was the Tele gonna do? Break? Haha, Yeah Right! The headstock on the Les Paul though...I'll just watch you play it.
When I first saw a video on your channel, I didn't expect to become basically a daily watcher on your channel, but here I am, enjoyable content! Keep it up with the interesting finds, you've got a lot of knowledge on this stuff that I wish I had myself!
I used to own a 76 deluxe cherry sunburst with a humbuker in bridge postion routed out mini on top THAT WAS MY FAVORITE GUITAR EVER!!! And I've had tons
Dude the subtle comic genius of your editing gets me every time. You drifting off into a void in space, the little head peaking at the guitar show bursts lol. Good job man.
And would I rock a burst? All day. Would I pay that kind of price? Hell nah.
I am a player, not a collector. This guitar is too expensive to play and to not play it is a huge disservice to its creator. So, catch 22.
I'm lucky enough to own and play a 1960 burst. I play it out and rehearse with it all the time...the trick is to not let it out of your sight and to not get drunk enough to be careless with it...I am indeed fortunate to own and play it. I don't find any stress in playing it or owning it...I do, however understand some folk's trepidation in owning one...I had one before the one I have now...Joe Bonamassa owns and plays it now..for some reason it sounds different than when I owned it (haha)...
Exactly, like not having sex with your wife to save her for the next guy..
It's a beautiful guitar, but nobody ever mentions the most important point: there are only about 1700 of these original 'bursts. Rarity isn't the only thing that makes them collectable, but it is the main thing that makes them so expensive.
Once a valuble commodity is known to be in short supply, it attracts people who have money to burn and really don't care about anything other than exclusivity and investment value. These people are competing with each other for bragging rights in a truly global status market, and their interest puts the guitars out of reach for ordinary people very quickly. In the same way that just being a good Christian won't let you own a Gutenberg Bible, being a very good player won't earn you a classic 'burst. Nor will having a good enough ear to tell the really good ones from the also-rans. That's why people go for appearance and association value - 'played by'.
This guitar is very attractive, and sounds good. If it's the real thing, it's certainly worth owning. But it's going to go to whoever can afford it. I think that's a little sad.
Man that Gutenberg Bible analogy is spot on .
Nice job having ur image flip when you crossed the event horizon of the black hole, love the physics easter egg XD
Where the Bursts shine, in my opinion, is when they are used by the Big Boys with high end professional stage equipment... my two most significant players of seeing and hearing them live and was blown away as to how great they sounded was Warren Haynes and Joe Bonamassa... I was blown away by both... i saw them in separate performances... I know they are friends and Joe used to perform with Warren... but yeah those performances will sell you on a burst... there are plenty of youtube videos out there of both playing their bursts... Warren just flat out Rocks Live !!
Reminds of a Gibson my friend wanted to buy on an online Page. Les Paul Custom Flame top '68 reissue. For only 180$! Unfortunatly, due to the price it sold rapidly
I’m sorry bud if I see a 58-60 Gibson I’m going to It like bugs to a light why you ask well they were truly one of a kind and none of this fake wood but real wood real carved tops made with human touch no robotic anything. That’s special and matters. I remember meeting my hero Eric Clapton he was so kind and genuine but I did not care he could have said go away still would not change my feelings. Your heart is your own speaking of heart oh Those original PAFs. 😊
Totally in love with them, I would rock them all day.
Hey, I work across the street from that one store that’s selling a burst for 575k!
I went in and asked the guy about it once just to see it, and he only takes offer by appointment and lets it sit in a bank vault!
"Having is not so pleasing a thing a wanting." It is not logical, but often true. Star Trek
Nope my 73 sounded just as nice before like an idiot I sold it. The real sound is the amp amd pickups.
Worked at a vintage repair shop. Played a 1958 burst once. Huge neck and just felt weird. Awesome tone but felt it was an uphill battle to play.
@Kaptain Kid Tone is also in your hands
The mystery comments are so true. I feel the same way after getting my dream car. I also learned that the “lesser cars” I’ve owned are also much better in many ways. I think this applies to just about everything in life.
I've belonged to the LPF for many years, and there have been several blind comparison/ listening tests revealing what one might expect. That doesn't delegitimize vintage bursts in my eyes. I understand the exclusivity and mythic qualities desired by those who pursue them, and also understand that equal to the way a guitar may record or sound in a live mix is it's feel and response to your input.. qualities that no one but the player can appreciate. A fascinating topic, but one I'm content to study from the sidelines.
Yes, I would definitely rock out on this guitar! I'm sure it sounds and plays great. Plus it's already had a neck break already. So if it breaks again in the same area, it's not going to devalue it greatly
Love your show. As a recent newer guitar player, I find your Channel very informative, and entertaining :) keep up the amazing work :)
2 thumbs up, boffo!!
I recently found out that Ted McCarty was from my small hometown of Somerset, KY and it blew my mind!
Ted was renowned for his filthy Sanchez's
I feel the same way as you do about these Les Pauls. I have 2 2018 ROs that play and sound like magic.
I totally agree Trog. Let the mystery remain a mystery. I mean.... price aside, sure.... I'd rock any les paul that played and sounded amazing. But once that unicorn has been ridden, where do you go from there?
I just don't get the attraction to these. Basically, it's just an old used guitar. Nobody even wanted these in 1960. I bought my first Les Paul 32 years ago, and retired it last year with a brand new one because well, it was old and beat. Would I play a '60 Paul if someone put it in my hands? Sure. Would I lust after owning it, not really.
I completely agree. Aside from historical interest it is hard to believe that Gibson haven't produced something better since 1959! Of course, they have. These guitars are only of interest to collectors, investors or people with too much money looking for something to spend it on.
Clearview68 Apparently, the tone is heavenly, which I agree with, but it shouldn’t be that much of a bother considering this is possible with any guitar.
It’s always blatantly obvious when someone attempts to talk about vintage Gibsons that has never before played one in their life. The construction, hardware, and electronics are all totally different than anything available today including manufacturers who claim they make accurate parts (they don’t). Pick one of these up and you’ll begin to get an idea of why they are so lusted after-you can’t get this tone with anything less than either a vintage LP, or a newer LP fitted with all vintage original parts/electronics. No one wanted these in 1960? That’s true, but if you’re using that as some sort of validation for these being “just another guitar”, you’re leaving out the fact that in 1960 and for several years following you had surf rock and jangly clean tones as all the rage, which lended themselves more to being played on Fenders. By the time overdriven Rock came around, there wasn’t a single guitar better for it than a humbucking Gibson from the late ‘50s-early ‘60s. Once people heard Clapton on the Beano album that was it.
Mr. Spock had some words of wisdom about this kind of thing in the episode 'Amok Time'. "You may find the having to be not as pleasurable as the wanting".
Your skill as a guitar player is what it is. Doesn't matter if you're playing a million dollar guitar or a $300 guitar you got off eBay. I saw a RUclips clip of a guy playing some SRV on a kids toy guitar in a Walmart and he was awesome. The other end of it is, you'd have so much invested in it you would never want to touch it. It's like the guy at the car show with the trailer queen, sure the car is perfect, everything original only 2000 miles, but you are too scared to drive it, you never get to enjoy it. In the end the worry will probably give you an ulcer. No musician alive would take something like that on tour, and that just means it's wall art, a status symbol, that would never live the rest of its life being used what it was made to do
WalkinDead1369 Not to mention, the car you described was a complete waste of money if the owner never drives it.
Exactly
I think Bonamassa plays his on tour. Saw an interview he hires security to travel with it lol.
I have 2 $300 guitars I dropped in new pickups and they are great
I'm not a guitar collector. But as an owner of many guitars, once you get above $1500 on most guitars you're only paying for cosmetics or in this case antiquity and lore lol.
Gimme some antiquity and lore
It's like so many dream items I reckon - you aspire to owning one, you imagine how amazing owning one must feel & you have it on your 'lottery list' but in reality it could never live up to expectations. For starters, you'd be terrified of playing it. It's a piece of history after all, worth the price of a very nice house or a nice house & a very nice car, so if you broke it (or even worse, someone else broke it. Can you imagine the fall out if that happened? lol), you'd be absolutely heartbroken (yeah, most breaks can be repaired but the guitar's gonna lose a lot in value). The next big problem would be security. Naturally you'd want people to know you had one but then you'd have to worry about the big target you just painted on your home. Any portable item worth that much is gonna attract thieves & folks can get pretty nasty when that much money is involved. Would owning one be worth the potential risk to your family? I guess for me, although I'd love the chance to play one (who wouldn't?). I mean c'mon, we're talking the holy grail of guitars here! However, owning one would be just too much hassle. It'd be a right pain in the arse worrying about it all the time & that kinda money could be much better spent elsewhere. (unless I won like the 'Euro Lottery', that's worth about $80M. Then I'd buy 2 lol)
I played a 59 a few times that belongs to a close friend, I know not all burst sound the same and some maby not that great but when you get a good one, they absolutely live up to the mystic, and then some. That’s the only guitar I’ve ever played that literally sounded like it was on fire. I can’t explain it.
My $4500 R8 is a stunner in looks and playability. I’m content. Or I *was* content until your episode on that new $20k ‘Redeye’ reissue. ❤
This IS the sound of a true burst. They sound distinctly different than any solid body guitar made since. The one thing that Gibson has yet to get consistently correct is the sound of a true burst. Their are luthier-crafted replicas that do get the sound right. Alas, Gibson hasn't figured out how to hit that mark much in the Custom Shop.
I hear the Eastwood "bursts" are very nice.
I've got a 1960 Gibson Custom Shop Burst VOS (built 2014). Its was expensive and is the greatest thing Ive ever played. It's hard to imagine a genuine Burst could sound that much better.
Back in 1981/1982 I was in a music store in SE Michigan and looked at and played a 1960 Burst, cost was something like $2000. That was crazy expensive as my 1st Les Paul I purchased in 1976 was only $600 new. I will admit the 1960 guitar played really nice and was super bright sounding (IMO). Back then I didn't worry as much about amplifiers and certainly can't remember what kind of amp I played it through. IMO the amplifier you use it much more important than what type of guitar you play. I purchased my first real amp in 1977, it was a Fender Twin Reverb and it cost me $400 new from Westland Music! I still have and use that old Twin Reverb! BTW, get an older Marshall Plexi or Tweed Twin clone, only way to go.
Actually about 1/5th that! reverb.com/item/14683588-1976-fender-twin-reverb-silverface-2-x-12-100-watt-tube-electric-guitar-combo-amplifier
It's a nice am and all, crazy loud, tons of headroom and a great reverb. That amp doesn't really start to break-up/distort until about 9, super-super loud.
I’ve been fortunate in my life to play 4 ‘59 bursts and the inconvenient truth is 2 of them were other worldly. From jazz, to rock, to country they did it all with a tone, feel and vibe never experienced. After lifelong search I own a bunch of great gear...vintage ‘59 335 (another plane to any modern 335 I’ve played) ‘ 57 strat, ‘66 Tele and modern Custom Shop ‘59 Les Paul , 330 and Strat. Having played a lot of vintage gear many are not special where carefully chosen well made modern instruments are better, proving vintage a bit of a myth. But when you do find a holy grail they prove the myth and it appears the majority of vintage Bursts (and for that matter same era 335’s) exceed the hype and set the bar to what an electric guitar could and should be. Come on Gibson get your act together!!!
Congratulations on your really nice collection of gear. You’re definitely right when you say that some vintage guitars are “other worldly” and others just aren’t really that special.
I’ve never played an original Burst although I have seen quite a few of them at vintage guitars shops over the years. I’m really a fan of Fender electrics and amps, but I do love Gibson Acoustics especially mandolins.
I have played a few 50s and 60s Fenders that were incredible. The first 50s Fender I ever played was in the early 90s when I was 19 or 20 years old (I had been playing guitar for about 5 years) at a vintage guitar store in Atlanta. It was a 1953 Telecaster that the store had just bought. The manager knew I couldn’t afford it, but he knew from talking to me on previous occasions that I really liked 50s style Fender reissues so he asked me if I wanted to play it. Of course I said yes. I played that 53 Tele through a tweed Champ, and that sound (and feel) became the benchmark for what I wanted in a guitar and amp. A few years later I played a Custom Shop Nocaster Relic when they first became available. I was amazed at how close that Custom Shop was to the real 53 Telecaster. The biggest difference was that the vintage one that I played a few years earlier was $10,000 and Custom Shop was around $2,000.
Now, 25 years or so later I own a couple of Mexican made Roadworn Teles that are close to the feel and sound (one of mine actually has Custom Shop pickups) of a Custom Shop Relic for substantially less money, but there is quite a gap between the Roadworns and the actual vintage.
I do actually own a vintage tweed Champ (a 1960 model) and a 1957 Fender “Mandocaster”. I’m currently interested in buying a Gibson A style mandolin from the 1910s and an ES-125 from the 50s.
Something that valuable is too much responsibility. I'm happy with my '76 Deluxe, '94 Orville, '15 Studio, and '17 Traditional.
Hand on heart if I some how came across one and ended up with it in my possession, I think I would play it for a about 6 months and sell it on and get myself 2 really nice R9’s. A true true vintage like that belongs in the hands of a working and recording player and not to be stuck in some glass cabinet
IMO your closing opinion was really gold🤯🤯👍👍
I would love to play one just because you know that paf thing.
I saw this one on reverb before, that flame is insane on that beautiful burst top. Oh and I’d with a doubt play one if I could ever get my hands on one.
I've thought about it, frankly. I really don't know why. I have the '57 strat and the '70 LP and some of the other bucket list guitars, but I'm just a regular Joe player and the burst needs to go to someone else - and I know it - so like Trogly I'll just leave it out there somewhere.
I would rock it yes , I would totally buy an original Burst if I had the money ! I'll settle with my '05 LP Standard though ,I'm not complaining ! If I had big money laying around ,I would buy one and play it at home and enjoy it.
Would I Rock or not: An honest to goodness burst? Answer: simple, if I could afford it, HELL YEAH! But my reality is simple, so I will just appreciate them from afar.
If I had the money to waste, absolutely.but my 89 Gibson les Paul, heritage cherry sunburst works just as well..
One has to consider that in the late 1950's, guitars were not being mass produced. They were basically hand built instruments made one at a time. Stockpiles of rainforest tonewoods were properly seasoned in anticipation of production.
Minerals such as cobalt,nickel and aluminum were sourced many times from colonies that were experiencing anti colonial uprisings.
Old growth tonewoods, rare earth minerals. Luthiers working with hands and tools.
Lightning in a bottle is very hard to recapture. Sometimes extenuating circumstances defy explanation
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While i agree with you for the most part the Fender factory in the late 50s was just that, a factory. The Strats with bolt on maple necks ,maple, ash or alder bodies, and maple fingerboards, for the most part plastic guards weren't exactly built by craftsmen but they are worth big cash and are fine instruments.
@@buckodonnghaile4309 I concur with you.
@@stevenkimsey7039 and I concur with you that the wood was better and there is something real special about those old guitars,cheer!
I totally get your point of view! I would love to own a burst but realistically, I just don’t have the money. I will defenetly buy a really good replica. For the record I did held a real one in my hands this year. I didn’t play it as I was wearing a coat and was frankly pretty intimidated. The weight is really what hit me. Those guitars are super light!!!
I also agree with Trogly, that it’s so risky buying a fake. He’s a smart cookie! I recently played a 1960 v3 60th Anniversary with Throbak 115 pickups... damm if that guitar wasn’t as close as could be to a lot of the real Bursts I’ve heard. Great show T!!! Love your vids man!!!
Best flame top I've ever seen! Even got minor quilt!
Having played several Bursts, they are well worth the money.
I just want one that sounds amazing. A great sounding LP is a rarity these days.
That is no fake. Audio example sounds like a typical burst. Raw and sweet
If I found one in a barn, yes, but I wouldn't pay more than $2000 for a guitar. My first guitar was a 1967 Gibson ES 125. Yes it has a lot of mojo, but I also like brand new guitars and having all the mojo come from me.
I think the 58 and 59 bursts look better. I like the fade, I’ve never liked the 60 bright red
Same here, I would love to have a CS RI over an original. Even if an original burst was legit, there would be a huge liability in owning it, and it would probably have to be stored in a bank vault. There are a few hardware replacements I would make on the CS RI, as I have found out that some items which were brass on the originals are now steel and affect the tone.
I did get to play a '59 about 30 years ago. I didn't even know how valuable it was even then, and we were using overdrive pedals. I would still love to play another one now days for a tonal reference through a clean amp.
I'd rather buy one of the recent reissues or a really good replica than an actual burst.
You can look to the Beatles to see what happened next.
Beatlemania swept the globe. Suddenly everyone wanted to play guitar, etc...
Now guitars are made by the millions, CNC machines turn out perfectly sculpted necks and bodies around the clock.
Old growth tonewoods were gobbled up many years ago.
However, we still can buy great guitars. I have a few.
Thank goodness
I guess so
I don't like the color of "Tone Plastic" that Gibson uses for the binding nowadays.
Im pretty sure the seller is local to me. He has an amazing collection in Catonsville MD
Shit that's pretty local to me, too. We should go rob him lol.
Really appreciate your insights
I’d love it. An original burst is a Unicorn I will never have sadly.
Rock it, but with a RI as I would never pay that kind of money for an original. Great video as always Austin!
I would love to play a 59 at least once...just to say I did...but I'd never want to own one.
Pretty much in full agreement. I also appreciate your appreciation for the much maligned Norlin era guitars. I laugh at people who snub 70s Gibson and CBS Fender gear, because it was good enough for big time players in the 70s, and plus they are still vintage guitars. My personal collection these days is comprised mostly of 60s and 70s gear, but I go even more off the beaten track because it’s all Silvertone, Harmony, and Kay stuff. Same vintage mojo as the big names, but at a small fraction of the cost.
I don't get excited about those old guitars, now I supposed if I was one who did a lot of professional recording and really could hear the differences that these older guitars supposedly had I might feel differently. I think we humans like to always go back and think the old stuff was better, we associate the old stuff with fond memories. If those old guitars were as great and phenomenal as people make them out to be, why did Gibson discontinue the Les Paul? Good video...
I’m perfectly content with a new traditional or R8/R9. Even the green inlay Classic would do. I would not feel right owning a burst, because I’d probably break it or it’ll get stolen.
The fact the burst is so nice, makes it more suspect
Back in 1992/93 I was working at The Sherman Oaks Ca. Guitar Center and We had a 1959 Les Paul Standard in Cherry Sunburst and during the L.A. riot's someone drove a van into the front door of the the store and and stole the guitar! Along with another guitar that I can't remember. Back then they were going for something like 25,000.00 seemed like sooo much money for a guitar back then.
@Kaptain Kid Well a van through the front door, for sure that happened 100%, if there is anything that i'm not 100% on is the year of that guitar, but yeah your right about the looting that was taking place. Other than what happened at our store nothing else was happening in the valley. But my friends who lived over the hill in Hollywood told stories of them standing on the roof of their apartments and seeing smoke from fires all across the city. Crazy times
guitars are for playing collectors deserve everything they get stung by, theyre made to be listened to not listed
I'd never pay half a million for a guitar, if I ever have the money for a Historic reissue I might consider getting one, but I feel the mystical aspect of the burst. For now I'm happy with my standard an classic LPs.
TLR TLR idk man, I know you’re trying to roast me but I wouldn’t own one. I play gigs regularly, I like to really play my guitars. There’s sweat, alcohol and other liquids that I have to wipe off my guitar every night. I payed $2800 for it and I’ve scratched it, banged it, the back has a big belt rash, someone even put a burn mark with a cig. I travel with it etc.
I would hate my self if I had payed half a million for it, I probably would just play it at home and while I see why some people would like that I wouldn’t
I’m happy with the Gibson les Paul you sold me man. Killer peach tea burst top and a dark board. It looks like a ‘59 minus a SUPER chunky neck, but still has a medium chunk to to it. That one is staying with me. I dont need to own a $250k guitar except if it were given to me. I’d play one at a show if I had a chance to tho..
It's guitar snobbery when folks set in stone that 58 ,59, 60 pauls are some cut above the rest magical instruments..
Amen. Nothing they did back then was meaningfully different
While it is true that the prices are to high and that other guitars are also magical, the bursts had their pickups wound differently giving them a “tele on steroids” sound. Furthermore, bursts pickups aged making them sound even better but, the bursts can be closely replicated by Gibson and other company’s. The fifties standard is a great example.
Snobbery aside, those really are rare pieces of art and history, which makes high prices totally justified. Of course if you look for specs and sound without any historical significance, you will never need to go past modern custom shop guitars. Heck, those will definitely be better in almost every way. But just don't measure original bursts with same ruler, those are not instruments now, but collector's pieces.
Except for the fact that certain materials used are unavailable today. By law actually certain metals, wiring, and finish ingredients are no longer legally produced. So it’s nit just a bunch of voodoo. There’s something there. If you’ll never have the money for one, like me, why bitch snd whine about “snobbery”? Who cares. Vintage guitars are just flat out cool.
@@allstopblue5717 they are flat out rip off...lol ...There are good guitars and less than good guitars, it's the same story in every year since instruments were made.....the rest is all in the mind of the beholder. What really counts is how good a player you are.
I think the Snakepit tale is the true story here. Would love to hear it. 16k, you say?
one day I'll share that story. It'll take awhile to make though
As someone who has played a burst, not this one, the one I played was a nice guitar. Pleasant enough, but just another Les Paul at the end of the day.
I have seen a few. What I can’t understand is why the sound improves by age. The pickups and electronics should get worse by age not better.
Definitely rock it in the studio and on Special Occasions Live, but wouldn't take it on the road because it's too valuable.
It's a lot out of a price range to pay for I rather admire it from afar and wish I owned one
I’ve played a 59 and looked at a couple of bursts and honestly I don’t think they’re any better than a mid 90’s R9. If I had one I’d sell it and buy a couple of nice newer LPs and a nice amp and put the other $200k in the bank. I did play a $50k D’Angelico arch top acoustic from the early 40’s at Gruens that blew me away though. Of the “holy grail” guitars it’s one I probably would have kept and played.
I'd be happy with any of 'em!
There was a few Les Pauls made in 61 after they found some leftover bodies, they where All cherry red.
Got a '83, 335 with shaw pu's. Cherry red, very, very, subtle flame. wonderful guitar. but I found my dream guitar, a 2009 PRS, Sunburst 22 with the original 57/08 pu's. Play's, sounds, and stay's in tune better than my 335 or my R8, LP. So there ya go.
I got the opportunity about 10 years ago to play a 1960 Burst..... After playing it for 10 minutes, I decided that it made me sound..... Like Me... Nothing More, Nothing Less...
Hey Trogly, I have a genuine question. I love your channel, and I know you know a lot about Gibson's. I am only 21, and saving for a house, so Im on a tight budget, but I just picked up a honeyburst Gibson Les Paul Tribute, and of the 10 guitars I own, it's now my favourite. My question is though, what are your brutally honest thoughts on the tribute, and is there a large quality gap between that and say a Les Paul standard?
I've had a few tribute studios. They are very nice playing guitars
ruclips.net/user/results?search_query=trogly+tribute+gibson
Sure, they might not be as pretty or feel as polished as a standard/traditional - but they play very similarly
@@Trog Ok great, I'm glad to hear you say you like them too. Thanks heaps for the reply and links, I appreciate it.
I'm not Trogly, but I actually like both of my Les Paul tributes better than my 2013 Standard. There's just something about them that feels more like an instrument for playing music, rather than some sort of fancy, shiny, heirloom, investment that I have to keep in pristine condition to hand down to my kids.
@@jimmyparris9892 thanks for the reply man. As I said, I'm on a budget, so it means a lot to see other guitar/music enthusiasts speak so highly about this instrument, and not just see it as a low end alternative. Cheers ✌️
sam maynard
I realize my comment is late.
However, I want to add my opinion. I’m primarily a Fender player as far as electric guitars go even though I love Gibson acoustic guitars and mandolins. I have been considering buying a new Tribute Les Paul so I’ve played a few of them plus some Standards and some of the in between models. I really like the 2019 and newer Tributes (from after Gibson changed the LP lineup in 2019 and the Standards became 50s and 60s specs and the Tributes became “Modern” specs).
I absolutely DO NOT understand the hate that the less expensive Les Paul models get. Some people act like it isn’t a “real” Les Paul if it isn’t a Standard or Custom and I just don’t get it.
Over in the Fender camp a Telecaster is a Telecaster whether it is a Squier, a Mexican made, a Japanese made, a USA made, or a Custom Shop, or vintage model. You buy the one you can afford that SPEAKS to you and you’ve got a Telecaster. Fender players pay attention to the music you make with your Telecaster not the country of origin on your headstock.
There would always be a tiny doubt in the back of your mind. This is straight up a collector only price. No insurance company would cover this on the road.
I’m gonna beat the hell out of my burst repeatedly when I get one on stage. They’re meant to be played.
The asking price for that guitar is about 400K to high. That guitar, if authentic, will probably catch $150 to $175K .. but then again, market value always equals whatever someone is willing to pay for something, so who knows. Great video btw.
I would! Anyone that isn't a friend of the burst is not a friend of mine!
I would get a single cut PRS and be much happier they are better than any L.P. at least to me.
Honestly I've built quite a few burst replicas and yes they are cool guitars but I just don't see the need to spend that much money on an old guitar when there are hundreds of guys like me who can build you one for a couple thousand dollars, and yes they are every bit as good with a few improvements in my opinion. Of course if someone wants to give me a 59 burst I won't turn it down haha. Love this channel the way you talk cracks me up (in a good way, not insulting you at all) and you have a wealth of knowledge on these old and rare guitars. Keep up the great work.
No matter how good the guitar is structurally, you can not replicate the original electronics in those old ‘bursts without investing in original parts (and yes, the sound comes from more than just the PAFs; the Centralab pots have a ton to do with the responsiveness you get out of those old Gibsons as well, in addition to the military-spec wire used throughout, which if you add it all up makes a significant difference to the sound). Bridges today are not made the way vintage ABR-1 bridges were either, in addition to various other pieces of hardware that no one has bothered to accurately replicate.
would totally rock this!
Photos? A 'serious' buyer won't hand over any dough until a recognised expert has had it apart.
Aside from that, I know an owner of a geniune '59 who says the CS Reissues are as good. The real difference is the reissue costs £6000ish and will never be worth more than an average family car, whereas 'the real thing' will cost you more than your house.
I’ll take one and play the crap out of it. Best neck on a les Paul. Beautiful.
Many years ago I heard of a les Paul with a 1961 serial number the top was all cherry red which was one of the last ,
I thought I had heard of a '61 burst as well... I couldn't remember for sure though so I cut that bit out of the episode
The Trogly's Guitar Show
Mark @ Norman’s has said there are some 61’s
I’d love to hear the story of the fake Snakepit guitar. I’d seen the one video you posted, but understand there’s a lot more to the story.
very sorry that you got scammed by a fake. that's the world we unfortunately live in. i'd very much like to hear your snakepit story + tips/tricks you have for buying instruments that are prone to being faked.
I saw “the” LP a number of years ago, the mythical Peter Green burst. Summer Philly Guitar Show. Just sitting in it’s case, “please ask to touch” sign, you know the drill. The burst was already long long gone, beat up, honestly didn’t look like much to me. There were many many newer Historics with better flame in better condition on offer that day, I just don’t get it. I didn’t ask to play it, but I did play a few other 50s Gibsons that day, and they were nice, but given their asking prices, I felt like I was at a vintage guitar show where everyone is gawking at the 63 Vette and 69 Camaro, but let’s face it, today’s performance cars in objective terms are way cooler.
Burst les pauls are cool but I like ebony les pauls with a cream pickguard just as much.
If ever got to put my hands on one I would love to try one. Seeing as that probably will never happen and the fact that I don't really like Les Paul's, I will settle for my dream guitar! Anybody guess what it is?
Gretch Tennesean?