Because 95 percent for dealers don't do this kind of stuff. I have worked for dealers for over 40 years. They get a bad Reputation because of a few bad Apples!
@@REDZ28wonrofl. Entire industries don't get their bad reputations bc of 5%. They get it bc stuff is so pervasive in the industry it's considered normal
@@alexmo1941I find his perspective credible and agree that there are many reputable dealers and a few bad apples give the industry a bad name. Same is true with police and look how many people hate them or distrust them blanketly.
@@george2113: "STATUE": A carved or cast figure of a person or animal, especially one that is life-size or larger. STATUTE: A written law passed by a legislative body. e.g.:"violation of the hate crimes statute". 🙂
I wish someone would do this for bank executives. They might actually follow the laws if they went to jail when they violated it instead of giving a miniscule portion of the profits they made off their crime back to the government as a "fine".
The government isn't interested in justice, they just want to get paid. Think about why it's always a fine, and the fine goes to the government, more often that it goes to the injured parties. There is no incentive for the fed or state governments to do anything but fine, fine, fine. After all, if you only steal a little, then the person can be stolen from again. If you take too much, they go out of business, and then you cannot rob them anymore.
@@randomdude5938 No they do not. Wells Fargo opened an account under my name without my express written consent, which is a direct violation of the law. They do illegal shit like this all the time, and profit billions and billions from doing so. You must be a banker benefiting off the criminal money coming in if you think they're doing everything legally.
Yet another example of a two-tiered justice system. All these current and former employees did not decide to break the law in a vacuum. I refuse to believe they did this without the knowledge and approval of the dealership owners and managers.
In this case it likely doesn't matter. The dealership's name is now mud and no one is going to have anything to do with them. They've probably already filed for bankruptcy as it's impossible to screw over that many people and still expect to have customers.
Its amazing how many employers over the years have wanted me to break the law. Drive a CDL truck with faulty equipment and no registration. Telling me to rip off customers on a move. Install appliances in such a way they could start a fire and kill an entire family. I guess this is why I've been poor my whole life. You can live a moral life or get ahead but to make money honestly is a long hard slog. Ten years I've been building my nursery business and still live at starvation levels. But at least I have my dignity.
"...his clothes are dirty, but his hands are clean, that's the way it's always been, I said row...jimmy roe...gonna get there I don't know...." grateful dead song.
You, my friend, might be broke but you are not poor. Definitely not poor in character, I hope life gets better for you but never stop doing the next right thing.
I know a guy that worked in waste water department of the local beef plant. He told me quit mainly because they wanted him to do something in which the company wouldn't be punished, but he could face 5 years in prison. He is one of 3 people I know that worked there in that department. All 3 left around the same time. End of story.
Asking people to do something illegal, it in itself illegal. There is no asking someone to do something illegal and a business being free from liability. End of story.
I live right near Charlotte NC and not too far from Shelby. There is a famous local case of a car dealer called "Courtesy Auto Sales" that was located on a major road heading to downtown (Independence Blvd, for anyone familiar with Charlotte). They had a ton of commercials on TV back in the late 80s and early 90s. They always had the owners dog in them, sometimes in the car, or on the hood, roof or sitting next to it. They also advertised a different discount, always shown while the dog was on screen It turns out that the major business being conducted was selling drugs. The position of the dog showed what was for sale, and the "discount" was related to the price of the drugs. So, if the dog was on the hood, cocaine was available at the price listed under the dog. (I do not remember any of the actual details as to what meant what) It was HUGE news when they all got arrested and the scheme was detailed in the newspaper. I was in highschool and everyone was talking about it, the commercials were very well known. Oh, almost forgot. The dealer had the catch phrase of "WE'RE DEALIN'" which was apparently true twice over, lol.
@@Jack_Russell_Brown -- There is a Subaru dealership in my area that pushes their connection to dogs in most of their ads. They often do deals where if one buys a car, they make a donation to an animal shelter, and they have a small dog park on their property. They've had free vaccines for dogs and other special events as well. It's all tastefully done.
I bought a truck that had been wrecked, rebuilt and issued a salvage title. It ended up at a small used car lot, then proceeded to change hands a dozen times between three different dealers for about 6 months. At some point the salvage title became a clear title again. Title washing. Coincidentally, the 3 different dealers were all owned by the same guy.
My sister just went thru this. Bought a lightly used 4WD car from a large, established subaru dealership, trading in a pristine, very expensive truck with nominal mileage which promptly sold. Went to the dmv to register the new car only to find the dealership didn't own the car and did not have title, so she could not register or legally drive it. Dealership took the new car (which she now had a loan on) and gave her a beater/loaner until the situation was resolved, but had the nerve to charge her a security deposit. They then spent weeks dodging her calls and taking no action until i got my lawyer involved on her behalf. She had the title in less than a day after that. Unbelievable the lengths people will go thru to steal. Its devastating to the victims and totally unconscionable, but in this case it was the title manager and salesman who were culpable. Owner and manager didnt know anything about it.
Hoping one of them will turn state witness, to have the rest of the charges they have piled up stick, and pull in the owners and rest of management there. First to rat out gets that "keep out of club Fed" ticket, the rest get orange coveralls for uniform.
Hasn't worked that way in years. DA's are using the tactic of padding charges in hopes of scaring you into a plea deal. Even if 75% are bogus. An they wonder why people hate there guts.
I doubt it. They like to pile up as many charges as they can think of to get one to flip. That is exactly how they got mob guys to start flipping on each other. Who is going to risk 100 years in prison covering for someone else?
@@TheWatcherxx99 -- This doesn't sound like a politically motivated case. (Or were you trying to make political commentary about another, more famous case that is going on right now?)
I bought a brand new Jeep from a Colorado Jeep dealer in 2021. I financed it thru a credit union. They dealership was slow getting the title work done but I wasn’t in a hurry until I tried to get another vehicle financed and the credit union refused until they had paperwork showing them and lien holder on the Jeep. I called their finance dept to get this resolved and the finance guy told me it wasn’t his job to handle this. These people passed blame around so much without anyone actually trying to resolve it. I finally got the dealership owner to call me and get something done.
I filed a complaint with the state of Texas over a year ago in regards to a car dealership who sells German branded cars(NOT BMW or Mercedes) in Waco. I have concrete proof that the dealership scammed me by changing paperwork AFTER paperwork was signed. The state of Texas have followed up with me a couple of times to say that they have found fraud and are continuing to investigate at this time. This kind of thing happens more often than people know.
Had a stealership change banks and loans on a car I bought because he got more commission. I was kinda pissed but I was already planning on transferring the loan to a different bank for a lower introductory rate anyways. I probably should have pressed more out of spite.
Failure to transfer titles of cars after sale typically indicates not a plot to rip off the customers, but rather a larger scheme to rip off the dealership’s own bank. The titles are being held back so the vehicles stay on the dealer’s books as collateral for loans. The sheer number of charges against employees tells me that prosecutors are looking for employees willing to rat out the owners or managers for financial fraud.
Steve has also often mentioned that dealers will hold off on reporting sales so they can delay paying state sales taxes. Sounds like there's grift at every opportunity for a shady dealer.
I think this was the case with Cartopia of Kyle,Texas that took over 90 days to get a title to us after paying off the vehicle - past experience was 2 weeks at most - we put our foot down and they coughed it up. I wonder if both dealerships were mostly selling to immigrant folk from Latin America whom are not familiar with consumer protection.
I bought a used Grand Marque from a Ford dealer. It looked good and still under warranty, but was noisy in the interior. Dealer stated the tires were noisy, but getting new tires didn’t help. Months later I was working under the car, and noticed a shipping label on the frame. The car had been wrecked hard enough to require a new frame. That explained the road noise, intermittent electrical issues, and a few other issues. FL doesn’t require dealers to disclose previous damage.
The fact that this was a manufacturer's dealership is what's amazing. Most new car dealers don't need to deal with salvage title cars. It's the used car and BHPH that would even deal with those vehicles.
In the past yes. Since COVID, supply chain shortages and chip shortages, the auto industry has had to find different ways than they were accustomed to to rip us off.
I bought an RV from general RV in. Paid for and didn't get phase change Installation and the sales manager lied to me that it was on there when it definitely was not the factory's confirmed it's not. I got cheated out of just short of a $1000 plus now the rv doesn't have the insulation I ordered. This dealer has been caught doing several other things. According to a tv stationand Utah. This is a dealer that I think should lose their license period
I worked for a guy who had been I sales for a shady VW dealership in the 70’s. Coincidentally we both bought our first car from a stereotypical salesman named Tommy Thompson he wore hit polyester and plaid jacket. Rodney Dangerfield copied the wardrobe in Caddyshack.
An aquaintance of mine, years ago, traded his car in to a dealership and 2 YEARS later, Ann Arbor police called him and said HIS car was used in a robbery. "I don't own that car and haven't for 2 years!" "You need to come in and PROVE you no longer own that car." "No, I'm going to give you the name of the dealership I traded the car in to and you're going to follow up with them! I'm innocent until proved guilty, not visa versa!"
How would they know it was his car unless they have the plates or the VIN? Once you transfer the car, you are responsible for disposing the plates. And obtaining the VIN is impossible unless the police actually get a hold of the car, which means they most likely got the criminals. What most likely happened is they were hoping to find out why the car may not have been transferred properly, either they wanted to catch him as part of the crime or he sold the car in appropriately.
Not all states surrender the plates, just recently Oklahoma required you to keep the plates but they use to go with the car when you sold it. No where in his comment did he insinuate where the car ended up. I'm sure they caught the "robbers" along with the car.
Many years ago my dad traded in a van at a big local Chevy dealership. A few months later he got a parking ticket in the mail from California(he lives in Texas). The dealership never changed the title which is what caused this to happen.
Salvage vehicles are such a racket. I know of a couple of dealers that do nothing but bonded titles (previous salvage and inspected by a state agency). The cars look beautiful. They weren't that much of a deal over non-salvage cars. I asked to see documentation of the prior damage and repairs and they refused. Too bad. Some of them might be good deals but the customer will never know if it's a pretty POS or not.
That's one thing I've never understood about the US system - some states will issue a salvage title for basically nothing, and you're stuck with it, amd some will apparently wipe the record clean on a burnt out wreck if you know how to work the system. Where I am there are 4 grade of salvage title, call them 1-4. #1 - the vehicle must be scrapped, no components may be recovered. Authorised scrap dealers only, re-registration isn't possible. #2 - vehicle suitable for parts recovery only. I can't remember whether that's authorised only or if you can buy one as a parts donor for your project car, but either way, re-registration is again blocked for that VIN. #3 - structural damage, repair is allowed by authorised shops only, and when they're done, it has to undergo a (state) safety inspection to check their work before it's allowed back on the road. Car forever carries the #3 on it's title so you know what your getting. #4 - purely economic, no structural damage, but would have cost too much in parts and labour to repair vs the repaired value. Anyone can buy and repair it, but before it's allowed back on the road, it has to have a (state) identity check to confirm it really the origjnal repaired vehicle and not a stolen ringer. Again, it carries the #4 branding for the rest of its life. It's dead simple, and if a vehicle has magically somehow got a clean title back after being salvage, that has to be fake paperwork. I've bought a grade #4, got a deal because it wasn't worth a much as non-salvage, and then when I sold it, the next guy paid a chunk less than average too, because salvage. I just don't understand why it needs to be any more complicated than that. Or have any loopholes.
The current Kia "theft" ring. Definitely shady business. Now I'm out a car & in no financial state to buy another. Just waiting for this scam to hit the news. It isn't just kids on tik tok.
@@MeRiaNevaMyndThey do have a recall and software update for that issue. Hyundai has the same issue. I'm pretty sure it has been in the news as multiple cities and states are suing Hyundai and Kia over it.
Did your parents teach you not to trust cops, judges, lawyers, preachers, politicians, BANKERS, CEOs, doctors, generals, kings, queens, media, etc..?? 😂😂😂
@@jpnewman1688 Believe it or not, back in the day, people learned how to judge other people's character. Before professionals got SOOO good at acting, it was a lot easier. Today, people are cancelled for 'judging' someone else yet whine when they're screwd.
@@OneWildTurkey really?? So you didn't know those narcissists/sociopaths/psychopaths have been running the shit show for thousands of years since they tend to be charming, good looking, well-dressed, well-spoken, and often appear powerful/wealthy?? 💯💯
I bought a classic car from a famous classic car dealer. Took 6 months to get the title and even then only after I sent a letter to the CEO. Oh, they needed a certified check from me but drag their feet with the title.
I worked as a salesman for a dealership. The owner and his son were talking one day about offering discounts on accessories to people that have bought vehicles. The son suggested this to his Father. The father stood there, thinking --Rolling it around in his mind …I could see his mind working and he was chewing his lip thinking. Then he started, nodding slowly with 1000 yard stare, and said, “yeah, --that gives us a second chance to kick em in the balls”
3:20 it's not so simple if they're financing through the dealer....the person or entity retains the title of the vehicle until the lien/loan is paid off in many states. It isn't like that in Canada and if I didn't get the title when I took delivery, it'd be a major red flag but in a state where the financier retains the title, it would easily be missed. "where's my title"? Oh the finance company has it. A month goes by they call the dealer "where's my copy of the title"? what? they didn't send it to you? I'll have to look into that.... Don't put the onus on the purchaser.
Not on subject, but just admiring that Silver Eagle Mic on the shelf. I wired many of those back in the 70/80’s for my dad and his Ham radio friends. 😁
Every time I go to a buy a new car from a dealer they try to cheat me. And each time I have walked out and ended up buying a used car. In my 70's now so I do not think it will happen again.
Why in the name of common sense would I ever buy a new car? Buy a lease return, or one that the owner traded in as soon as it was paid off- or maybe "when the ashtrays got full" like foolish rich people did back in the day. Let somebody else take all that depreciation.
This case will expand. I find it difficult to believe that this dealership is run by a group of employees without oversight. I doubt that Bob Smith, Jane Jenkins, and John Doe each have individual dealerships under the same name and dealership license. Who pays each employee? Who trained them? There MUST be management that should be charged. 🤔
There are a few states where you can take a vehicle and from another state and bring it to that state and they will give it a regular title. They won't give it a salvage title and you can then take it back to the original state and they'll process it as a regular title. A lot of states have put stops to this but in my state they call that washing the title or title washing cleaning it up. There are other ways that can be done. You can have a vehicle at the title is a salvage title and go by a vehicle that it was totaled but the insurance didn't pay anything on it. Same year same model same everything. Take the bin off of it. Put it on the vehicle that you want to wash and you have just cleaned up the title. You're the basically swapping out bins which is also not legal both of those are time consuming but something that can be done
I wish they’d done that to the employees of Wells Fargo when they committed identity theft and other financial fraud. Instead people excused it because of the “pressure” to be a criminal was so strong. Really? Where do we draw that line! Apparently with car dealership employees.
@11:56 "Most dealers can comply with the law". @12:00 "Most dealers fly right, straight and narrow." The above two statements are not synonymous. The is no shortage of slimy dealerships that will take you for all they can, to great excess, while complying with the law. They will overcharge you on everything imaginable -- from window security etchings to extended warranty purchases. They will lie to your face, promising you almost anything that will get you to sign on the dotted line -- only for you to later find out that their promises are no where in the signed paperwork, and they will not honor their verbal promises. They comply with the law, to avoid hefty fines and risk losing their license. While at the same time, they take their customers to the cleaners, albeit legally. Most dealers do not "fly right, straight and narrow".
Staying within the letter of law still allows some shady practices. The manager and employees in this case must've stepped wayyyyy out of bounds to reach the point of criminal charges. it would be interesting the learn the actual specific details of what they did.
I recently was at a dealer looking at a car. They got my keys for my potential trade. I decided I wasn’t interested and wanted to go. One guy after another begging me to do the deal. I said where’s my keys? They pretended to search while offering this and that on the deal. I finally told the sales manager that he better find my key now or I was going to become the next national news story. He pulled my key from his pocket. I lowered my shirt back down over my pistol.
A large high volume dealership in the DFW area may employ 250 to 350 employees . So ..that's alot of charges .probably 5 each averaged over all 80 employees
Dealerships have in house body shops…. If they fix a wreck it doesn’t have to be reported to carfax or some other reporting agency One here took a brand new genesis the dealership owners son wreck while intoxicated. The only two panels not damaged including the roof were the drivers front and rear door( needed a whole new front end) It was repaired and sold as a new car!!
meanwhile the insurance companies who insured these vehicles after they were identified as totalled or salvage are to blame here also, those red flags should have came first when the innocent customer bought, and insured
Yes. Insurance companies are also complicit. There is no way they couldn't be. They have dedicated fraud departments, I find it hard to believe someone wouldn't notice what's going on.
It is legal to sell cars in NC without providing titles. The dealer will state that the "title is in transit". It took my brother one year to get his title to a used BMW that he purchased from a new and used car dealer in Durham, NC. He reported this to DMV and really took no action. My brother had to provide a bond in order to get new tags for the car. DMV inspector had to personally come to his house to verify the VIN and still did took no action. The dealer had to reimburse the expense for the bond.
The fact the dealership wasn't charged seems a bit sus... your telling me these employees broke all these laws without management noticing or encouraging it? How about no...
somebody i know was fired from a dealership because when a customer lied about their insurance and they were caught, the person blamed an employee and said that they were the ones who had lied, the employee would have made less than $20 from the deal. and heres the problem, the ex employee cannot fight the termination because that would require a lawsuit, and if you are seen causing trouble for 1 dealership, nobody else in the area will hire you so there is quite literally nothing you can do. if the person who lied went to the dealerships bank or insurance company they would immediately stop working with the dealership even if the accusations were not credible, so the owner of the dealership did a secret loan out of his own pocket to sell the liar the motorbike he wanted. the ex employee was not removed from the dealerships systems which would happen within hours of termination if the accusations were even semi believable, so they were fired over accusations that were completely unfounded and easily disproven. keep in mind that the ex employee was the dealerships best worker and very often got gifts and tips from the customers because they were so professional and transparent.
That is really sad & utterly disgusting. It is hard to be a good person & work for a corporation. If they can't get you to tow the crooked line, you are out. Been there.
That's about as clear as mud. I think you are saying the employee was fired, but they used the threat of being blacklisted to prevent the employee from making a stink about it. But it is completely unclear what you are saying the employee was actually accused of, other than it dealt with insurance.
The same kind of scandal is happening in Japan right now with a used car chain called Big Motor. The employees were pressured into over selling by management. If you didn't get at least $1000 dollars out of each customer, you were punished.
Former car salesman here. I won a wrongful termination lawsuit for whistleblowing. Then started a home improvement business. In my experience there is always at least one crooked salesman on the floor. Usually the lifers and most management. Avg career as a salesman is 18 months. If you get a newer salesman, good chance it’s a honest salesman. That being said customers are crooks too. Had plenty of customers lie about bad car faxes and transmission issues on trade ins not to mention they lie a lot to get free tires or other things. Customers are just as bad.
Joe Florek VW AUDI Super Store in Flagstaff sold me my '97 Jeep Cherokee Sport but never did get the title, they were closed by the FBI & IRS one day, There were so many untitled cars etc. I finally got the title in a different county! Best car I ever owned too. Jeep Jeep
I bought a 05 Ford Explorer from car Hop April 27th or so and it's been in the shop for almost 6 weeks now. The engine long block went out. Im paying $10k+ interest. I guess I should check this out.
That problem has been going on throughout North Carolina other cities and counties they'll just get a slap on the wrist cities and counties make so much money off of the ones they don't care
The Dealer that sold a car and traded in my father's 2-year-old fully paid for was such a dealer ship. The 94-year-old was urged in as they "Needed" his model. He picked out a car and signed his title. The 'car' was to be processed while the boss approves of the price. Title and keys given to Service manager who then made sure it was serviced (at insurance payments) and then put the car into a dummy name, stealing it for the sales and service... The then woozy from blood sugar signed the paperwork for a new car, with Bronze, Gold, Plat insurances tacked on. The Dealership was caught by the Car Finance company. And they compiled a suit against those two employees. I paid the insurance charges after my father's death and finally got the title. The CFO of Finance Co said I had free lifetime insurance and told me of the suit.
Wow they must have done something wrong to get criminal charges. If you're a big enough corporation you just sign a non-prosecution agreement without liability and agree to like, a consent order not to be criminals for like the next two years, maybe.
Somebody explain how/why car dealership employees get criminally prosecuted, when huge banks, like JPM Chase, WFB and B of A, literally steal $billions from customers and NOBODY even gets indicted, much less imprisoned - all that happens is the mega banks pay a big fine which gets passed on to the stock holders, and, get this, all the employees involved in the caper get XMAS bonuses. Anybody know?
Before i look at this video ,i bet they overcharges on parts ,repair times and costs , etc. I know the dealership i have been going to is price gouging. I know approximately how much time a repair should take in most cases and parts prices are jacked up. Its been goig on for awhile but more so after things settled from covid.
10 years as an F&I manager in a big dealership. The stories I could tell would curl your hair. I will say a lot of shady stuff gets done out of expediency for everyone’s benefit - for instance, selling cars when you don’t have a tile because you are waiting for the pay off to clear on the trade in. 999 times out of a thousand the title shows up and the new customer gets a tile. Once in a while there is a problem with the title when it shows up 3 weeks later and you have a sh*t show. Then there is a lot of outright shady stuff. One of our F&I people was outright forging credit life insurance policies. Nobody really buys that stuff. It’s either slipped in the payment or outright forged after the fact. She was a real hero for a while because she was miraculously selling lots of “croak and choke” insurance. The one she got caught forging was on a beater car financed from some “mouse house” - it was a small loan so the premium to the dealership was like 50 bucks. I think it cost us $50 grand. She was the boss’s pet until then. One of our managers was dealing coke out of one of our stores. It was part of a big south side Chicago drip ring busted in the 1990s. We never turned mileage back but we caught a few customers trying it. We crucified them. A lot of rules get bent on even mundane things like applying for registration. But like Steve said, it’s all well and good until you are in a deposition with the state manual laid out in front of you. There was an attorney back in the day in DuPage country who would live on going after dealerships. Just about any deal could be picked through for som infirmity. This guy had people placing his business cards under cars in mall,parking lots with license applied tags.
When I first read the Title, I thought OK this has got to be another entry in the Carvana Debacle... Then Steve said it was Nissan and I almost gave myself Whiplash with the Double-Take I had... 😄😁😆😅😂🤣
@Steve Lehto I'm beginning to wonder if car dealerships need to go. It feels like "honest" dealers are scarcer than hen's teeth. Is it time to bulldoze that part of the industry?
followup ... it took months for the Tote the Note dealer to register my car .... white washing the title AND hoping I would default on monthly payments .... hoping to keep the $$ I paid for title and registration
I live in Va... bought a car from a used dealership in NC. They lied about a lot of things. I filed a complaint with AG, especially since I couldn't get my title. Since they REFUSED to cooperate with the investigation the AG office TOLD me there was nothing they COULD DO. Like literally WTF?! I left a bad review online the owner wasn't happy about and combined with that and complaints I filed I got lucky and finally got my title .. 3 weeks after temp tag expired and company wouldn't issue another temp tag. Course they lost all repeat business and my negative Google review is still there that they were upset about, screw them. They also lied that car had never been in accident... before buying a car I highly recommend doing a vin search.
Ben is barely in frame, no where to be found in a previous video. I wonder if Steve is about to fire Ben. I hope not. I enjoy looking for him and as well as the posts that ID him. Thanks for the post.
Car dealer here in TX refused to mail my plates and registration, I lived 60 miles away. Their reason was plates always seem to get lost in the mail. I went to my local DMV and got plates and duplicate reg. called the dealer and told them they can wipe their rear end with my old ones. I got pulled over and it was actually the cop who suggested I go to the local DMV and get new ones, he agreed the dealership was being stupid.
I wonder if you had to buy a Nissan, would Shelby be the place to buy it since they are under so much scrutiny? Car dealerships seem like organized crime outfits, but most are flying under the radar. Maybe you wouldn't get screwed as badly right now at that particular dealership?
I bought a brand new Ford Ranger XLT back in 2010. Paid it off and never received a title. My registration still to this day says it has a lean on it by Ford.
I went to a dealership to look at used SUV's. Got down on the ground to look for fluid leaks, rust and such. The salesman started yelling at me "You, you can't do that! It's, it's, it's a... liability issue!" I said "ok, can i make a deposit on it and send the vehicle to an independent shop?" (5 miles away). Guy says "No, theres no need to as we've done a 250 point inspection on each vehicle." So i said "Cool, do you have a copy of the results of the inspection that I can have?" He just stood there with his mouth open, not knowing what to say. I pretended to look at a couple of other vehicles, and left.
Would not say dealerships are dishonest, but, working in the city in the area called Motortown, with a dealership across the road, and one to the left, those 2 were found doing shady stuff. Across the road did a lot of high end vehicles, sale on consignment, and one day the staff came in and no owner, skipped the country, with all the money for around a year of sales. One to the left the same, just did it for around 9 months before doing the same. I chained the doors up, because they left them open, and it was a massive security issue for us as we shared a driveway. But I bought a car from the dealership in the next block, and it served me well, got 15 years out of it before selling it off and getting another, that is 10 years younger.
Even more fun is when there's an accident with medical expenses and the lawyer folk go looking for the car owner and they find the dealership's name, or the previous owner's name on the title. Phone rings, phone is answered : "Uh,, mr Lehto ?". Yes that's me. "Um, did you used to own a grey SUV ?". Yes I did. I traded it at honest Joe's used car dealership. "It was in an accident and you owe us $300,000 for medical expenses."
And dealers wonder why the public don't trust them.
Because 95 percent for dealers don't do this kind of stuff. I have worked for dealers for over 40 years. They get a bad Reputation because of a few bad Apples!
@@REDZ28wonrofl. Entire industries don't get their bad reputations bc of 5%. They get it bc stuff is so pervasive in the industry it's considered normal
@@REDZ28won😂 Dealership employee says that dealerships aren't corrupt who would have thought
@@alexmo1941I find his perspective credible and agree that there are many reputable dealers and a few bad apples give the industry a bad name. Same is true with police and look how many people hate them or distrust them blanketly.
@@alexmo1941 Ya, don't ask a person who actually sees what goes on everyday at the places I have worked! What would I know , right?
Only 400 crimes? That must be a low volume dealership.
For sure low volume. Dealers that I have worked at, 400 crimes would be one month lol.
Statute of limitations
@@george2113 Or things that they can prove from DMV paperwork with full confidence.
@@george2113:
"STATUE": A carved or cast figure of a person or animal, especially one that is life-size or larger.
STATUTE: A written law passed by a legislative body.
e.g.:"violation of the hate crimes statute".
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@@daleallen7634 a single t
I wish someone would do this for bank executives. They might actually follow the laws if they went to jail when they violated it instead of giving a miniscule portion of the profits they made off their crime back to the government as a "fine".
They do follow the laws. They own your representatives so they write the laws to protect their predatory behavior.
The government isn't interested in justice, they just want to get paid. Think about why it's always a fine, and the fine goes to the government, more often that it goes to the injured parties. There is no incentive for the fed or state governments to do anything but fine, fine, fine.
After all, if you only steal a little, then the person can be stolen from again. If you take too much, they go out of business, and then you cannot rob them anymore.
Just keep VOTING then HOPE for CHANGE.. 😂😂
@@randomdude5938 insurance companies too (health, home, car, all of them)
@@randomdude5938 No they do not. Wells Fargo opened an account under my name without my express written consent, which is a direct violation of the law. They do illegal shit like this all the time, and profit billions and billions from doing so.
You must be a banker benefiting off the criminal money coming in if you think they're doing everything legally.
Yet another example of a two-tiered justice system. All these current and former employees did not decide to break the law in a vacuum. I refuse to believe they did this without the knowledge and approval of the dealership owners and managers.
Sounds like a Flow dealership...
In this case it likely doesn't matter.
The dealership's name is now mud and no one is going to have anything to do with them. They've probably already filed for bankruptcy as it's impossible to screw over that many people and still expect to have customers.
Its amazing how many employers over the years have wanted me to break the law. Drive a CDL truck with faulty equipment and no registration. Telling me to rip off customers on a move. Install appliances in such a way they could start a fire and kill an entire family. I guess this is why I've been poor my whole life. You can live a moral life or get ahead but to make money honestly is a long hard slog. Ten years I've been building my nursery business and still live at starvation levels. But at least I have my dignity.
"...his clothes are dirty, but his hands are clean, that's the way it's always been, I said row...jimmy roe...gonna get there I don't know...." grateful dead song.
Your not alone. I have a job if I was dishonest I would be financially OK but I am a good person so I also am starving.
It could be worse. John the Baptist had to eat locusts.
You could have learned to be a BANKER where your hands are really clean while creating fiat 💵💵 out of NOTHING.. 😂😂
You, my friend, might be broke but you are not poor. Definitely not poor in character, I hope life gets better for you but never stop doing the next right thing.
I know a guy that worked in waste water department of the local beef plant. He told me quit mainly because they wanted him to do something in which the company wouldn't be punished, but he could face 5 years in prison. He is one of 3 people I know that worked there in that department. All 3 left around the same time. End of story.
Oh dear lord. That's enough to make one feel ill. And that's just one plant of the industry 🤢
Thanks for sharing your story 👍
Asking people to do something illegal, it in itself illegal. There is no asking someone to do something illegal and a business being free from liability. End of story.
Car salesmen and dealerships ripping people off? What a shock!
So what's your problem with capitalism?? 😂😂
@@jpnewman1688 The Soviets never screwed anybody over...
@@bsmythe3214 so you think they were commies? 😂😂😂
In other news, water is wet.
Actually I heard water itself isn't wet but it makes other things wet. Lol
I live right near Charlotte NC and not too far from Shelby.
There is a famous local case of a car dealer called "Courtesy Auto Sales" that was located on a major road heading to downtown (Independence Blvd, for anyone familiar with Charlotte). They had a ton of commercials on TV back in the late 80s and early 90s. They always had the owners dog in them, sometimes in the car, or on the hood, roof or sitting next to it. They also advertised a different discount, always shown while the dog was on screen
It turns out that the major business being conducted was selling drugs. The position of the dog showed what was for sale, and the "discount" was related to the price of the drugs. So, if the dog was on the hood, cocaine was available at the price listed under the dog. (I do not remember any of the actual details as to what meant what)
It was HUGE news when they all got arrested and the scheme was detailed in the newspaper. I was in highschool and everyone was talking about it, the commercials were very well known.
Oh, almost forgot. The dealer had the catch phrase of "WE'RE DEALIN'" which was apparently true twice over, lol.
Wow. Very clever but sickening at the same time
I hope the dog got a better forever home!
@@Jack_Russell_Brown -- There is a Subaru dealership in my area that pushes their connection to dogs in most of their ads. They often do deals where if one buys a car, they make a donation to an animal shelter, and they have a small dog park on their property. They've had free vaccines for dogs and other special events as well. It's all tastefully done.
Man those were funny as hell that dude was a trip.
I remember those commercials on tv in the 1980s. Had no idea what was going on until I saw your post.
I bought a truck that had been wrecked, rebuilt and issued a salvage title. It ended up at a small used car lot, then proceeded to change hands a dozen times between three different dealers for about 6 months. At some point the salvage title became a clear title again. Title washing. Coincidentally, the 3 different dealers were all owned by the same guy.
You can't blame the guy for doing his best to follow capitalism.. 😂😂
Were they transferring it, or just displaying it on different lots to see if they could get a bite?
I am not surprised that there are people committing crimes at car dealerships, I am surprised that some are finally being charged criminally.
The thieves don't like attention being brought down on them.
My sister just went thru this. Bought a lightly used 4WD car from a large, established subaru dealership, trading in a pristine, very expensive truck with nominal mileage which promptly sold. Went to the dmv to register the new car only to find the dealership didn't own the car and did not have title, so she could not register or legally drive it. Dealership took the new car (which she now had a loan on) and gave her a beater/loaner until the situation was resolved, but had the nerve to charge her a security deposit. They then spent weeks dodging her calls and taking no action until i got my lawyer involved on her behalf. She had the title in less than a day after that. Unbelievable the lengths people will go thru to steal. Its devastating to the victims and totally unconscionable, but in this case it was the title manager and salesman who were culpable. Owner and manager didnt know anything about it.
The 400 charges, are the ones that the ADA thought would actually stick, think about that!
Hoping one of them will turn state witness, to have the rest of the charges they have piled up stick, and pull in the owners and rest of management there. First to rat out gets that "keep out of club Fed" ticket, the rest get orange coveralls for uniform.
Hasn't worked that way in years. DA's are using the tactic of padding charges in hopes of scaring you into a plea deal. Even if 75% are bogus. An they wonder why people hate there guts.
I doubt it. They like to pile up as many charges as they can think of to get one to flip. That is exactly how they got mob guys to start flipping on each other. Who is going to risk 100 years in prison covering for someone else?
Some DAs can pull charges out of their rear especially if they are politically motivated
@@TheWatcherxx99 -- This doesn't sound like a politically motivated case. (Or were you trying to make political commentary about another, more famous case that is going on right now?)
I bought a brand new Jeep from a Colorado Jeep dealer in 2021. I financed it thru a credit union. They dealership was slow getting the title work done but I wasn’t in a hurry until I tried to get another vehicle financed and the credit union refused until they had paperwork showing them and lien holder on the Jeep. I called their finance dept to get this resolved and the finance guy told me it wasn’t his job to handle this. These people passed blame around so much without anyone actually trying to resolve it. I finally got the dealership owner to call me and get something done.
I filed a complaint with the state of Texas over a year ago in regards to a car dealership who sells German branded cars(NOT BMW or Mercedes) in Waco. I have concrete proof that the dealership scammed me by changing paperwork AFTER paperwork was signed. The state of Texas have followed up with me a couple of times to say that they have found fraud and are continuing to investigate at this time. This kind of thing happens more often than people know.
Had a stealership change banks and loans on a car I bought because he got more commission. I was kinda pissed but I was already planning on transferring the loan to a different bank for a lower introductory rate anyways. I probably should have pressed more out of spite.
Failure to transfer titles of cars after sale typically indicates not a plot to rip off the customers, but rather a larger scheme to rip off the dealership’s own bank. The titles are being held back so the vehicles stay on the dealer’s books as collateral for loans. The sheer number of charges against employees tells me that prosecutors are looking for employees willing to rat out the owners or managers for financial fraud.
Very astute.
Steve has also often mentioned that dealers will hold off on reporting sales so they can delay paying state sales taxes. Sounds like there's grift at every opportunity for a shady dealer.
I think this was the case with Cartopia of Kyle,Texas that took over 90 days to get a title to us after paying off the vehicle - past experience was 2 weeks at most - we put our foot down and they coughed it up. I wonder if both dealerships were mostly selling to immigrant folk from Latin America whom are not familiar with consumer protection.
I bought a used Grand Marque from a Ford dealer. It looked good and still under warranty, but was noisy in the interior. Dealer stated the tires were noisy, but getting new tires didn’t help. Months later I was working under the car, and noticed a shipping label on the frame. The car had been wrecked hard enough to require a new frame. That explained the road noise, intermittent electrical issues, and a few other issues. FL doesn’t require dealers to disclose previous damage.
The fact that this was a manufacturer's dealership is what's amazing. Most new car dealers don't need to deal with salvage title cars. It's the used car and BHPH that would even deal with those vehicles.
In the past yes. Since COVID, supply chain shortages and chip shortages, the auto industry has had to find different ways than they were accustomed to to rip us off.
Ben escaping the beak of the plush owl.
Manufacturer direct car sales should be legalized everywhere.
Yup.. Let's keep VOTING then HOPE for CHANGE.. 😂😂
I bought an RV from general RV in. Paid for and didn't get phase change Installation and the sales manager lied to me that it was on there when it definitely was not the factory's confirmed it's not. I got cheated out of just short of a $1000 plus now the rv doesn't have the insulation I ordered. This dealer has been caught doing several other things. According to a tv stationand Utah. This is a dealer that I think should lose their license period
I worked for a guy who had been I sales for a shady VW dealership in the 70’s. Coincidentally we both bought our first car from a stereotypical salesman named Tommy Thompson he wore hit polyester and plaid jacket. Rodney Dangerfield copied the wardrobe in Caddyshack.
An aquaintance of mine, years ago, traded his car in to a dealership and 2 YEARS later, Ann Arbor police called him and said HIS car was used in a robbery. "I don't own that car and haven't for 2 years!" "You need to come in and PROVE you no longer own that car." "No, I'm going to give you the name of the dealership I traded the car in to and you're going to follow up with them! I'm innocent until proved guilty, not visa versa!"
How would they know it was his car unless they have the plates or the VIN? Once you transfer the car, you are responsible for disposing the plates. And obtaining the VIN is impossible unless the police actually get a hold of the car, which means they most likely got the criminals. What most likely happened is they were hoping to find out why the car may not have been transferred properly, either they wanted to catch him as part of the crime or he sold the car in appropriately.
Not all states surrender the plates, just recently Oklahoma required you to keep the plates but they use to go with the car when you sold it.
No where in his comment did he insinuate where the car ended up. I'm sure they caught the "robbers" along with the car.
Many years ago my dad traded in a van at a big local Chevy dealership. A few months later he got a parking ticket in the mail from California(he lives in Texas). The dealership never changed the title which is what caused this to happen.
Some states the plates belong to the csr, unless they are specialty plates
Ann Arbor cops used to be horrible.
Only 400 I worked at a dealership when the police showed up with a warrant for 3200 counts of Fraud here in northern Michigan 23 years ago.
Salvage vehicles are such a racket. I know of a couple of dealers that do nothing but bonded titles (previous salvage and inspected by a state agency). The cars look beautiful. They weren't that much of a deal over non-salvage cars. I asked to see documentation of the prior damage and repairs and they refused. Too bad. Some of them might be good deals but the customer will never know if it's a pretty POS or not.
That's one thing I've never understood about the US system - some states will issue a salvage title for basically nothing, and you're stuck with it, amd some will apparently wipe the record clean on a burnt out wreck if you know how to work the system.
Where I am there are 4 grade of salvage title, call them 1-4.
#1 - the vehicle must be scrapped, no components may be recovered. Authorised scrap dealers only, re-registration isn't possible.
#2 - vehicle suitable for parts recovery only. I can't remember whether that's authorised only or if you can buy one as a parts donor for your project car, but either way, re-registration is again blocked for that VIN.
#3 - structural damage, repair is allowed by authorised shops only, and when they're done, it has to undergo a (state) safety inspection to check their work before it's allowed back on the road. Car forever carries the #3 on it's title so you know what your getting.
#4 - purely economic, no structural damage, but would have cost too much in parts and labour to repair vs the repaired value. Anyone can buy and repair it, but before it's allowed back on the road, it has to have a (state) identity check to confirm it really the origjnal repaired vehicle and not a stolen ringer. Again, it carries the #4 branding for the rest of its life.
It's dead simple, and if a vehicle has magically somehow got a clean title back after being salvage, that has to be fake paperwork.
I've bought a grade #4, got a deal because it wasn't worth a much as non-salvage, and then when I sold it, the next guy paid a chunk less than average too, because salvage.
I just don't understand why it needs to be any more complicated than that. Or have any loopholes.
I got stuck once with a repaired vehicle.
The current Kia "theft" ring. Definitely shady business. Now I'm out a car & in no financial state to buy another. Just waiting for this scam to hit the news. It isn't just kids on tik tok.
@@MeRiaNevaMyndThey do have a recall and software update for that issue. Hyundai has the same issue.
I'm pretty sure it has been in the news as multiple cities and states are suing Hyundai and Kia over it.
We almost bought a salvaged car. We took it to a mechanic. He said the bad transmission and crappy body work made the car worth zero.
Friend worked for a dealership for about 2-3 months. Great at sales type positions. He quit because it felt scummy. Really needed the income, too.
Employees of a Car Dealership being Crooked is Something that Parents would Warn Their Children about when I was growing up....🤔
Don’t tell my mother I sell cars. She thinks I’m a piano player in a whorehouse …
@@gordonshumway7239
Your Secret is Safe with Me....😎👍
Did your parents teach you not to trust cops, judges, lawyers, preachers, politicians, BANKERS, CEOs, doctors, generals, kings, queens, media, etc..?? 😂😂😂
@@jpnewman1688 Believe it or not, back in the day, people learned how to judge other people's character.
Before professionals got SOOO good at acting, it was a lot easier. Today, people are cancelled for 'judging' someone else yet whine when they're screwd.
@@OneWildTurkey really?? So you didn't know those narcissists/sociopaths/psychopaths have been running the shit show for thousands of years since they tend to be charming, good looking, well-dressed, well-spoken, and often appear powerful/wealthy?? 💯💯
Think of how many people were hurt before something was "kind of" done. He'll still be in business.
I bought a classic car from a famous classic car dealer. Took 6 months to get the title and even then only after I sent a letter to the CEO. Oh, they needed a certified check from me but drag their feet with the title.
I worked as a salesman for a dealership. The owner and his son were talking one day about offering discounts on accessories to people that have bought vehicles. The son suggested this to his Father. The father stood there, thinking --Rolling it around in his mind …I could see his mind working and he was chewing his lip thinking.
Then he started, nodding slowly with 1000 yard stare, and said, “yeah, --that gives us a second chance to kick em in the balls”
Lafayette College shirt ... best one you've worn to date! (class of '73 here)
Love your stories Steve and your humanity. Thanks from N.J.
3:20 it's not so simple if they're financing through the dealer....the person or entity retains the title of the vehicle until the lien/loan is paid off in many states. It isn't like that in Canada and if I didn't get the title when I took delivery, it'd be a major red flag but in a state where the financier retains the title, it would easily be missed. "where's my title"? Oh the finance company has it. A month goes by they call the dealer "where's my copy of the title"? what? they didn't send it to you? I'll have to look into that....
Don't put the onus on the purchaser.
Not on subject, but just admiring that Silver Eagle Mic on the shelf. I wired many of those back in the 70/80’s for my dad and his Ham radio friends. 😁
Not surprised. A dealership. In NC. Sort of an expected outcome
I think this is something that is equal in every state. Lol. I have never trusted any of them in any of the 4 states I have lived in.
Every time I go to a buy a new car from a dealer they try to cheat me. And each time I have walked out and ended up buying a used car. In my 70's now so I do not think it will happen again.
Why in the name of common sense would I ever buy a new car? Buy a lease return, or one that the owner traded in as soon as it was paid off- or maybe "when the ashtrays got full" like foolish rich people did back in the day. Let somebody else take all that depreciation.
@@ostlandrso you like abused used rides?? 😂😂
@@Gangsta1168 Yeah, but I'm hooked on those classic curves. :-)
The head person is responable accountable
Head knows
Enchourages, promotes, enables, supports, protects.
The system
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I have come to the conclusion that every dealer I have dealt with was shady.
They don't call them "stealerships" for nothing
This case will expand. I find it difficult to believe that this dealership is run by a group of employees without oversight. I doubt that Bob Smith, Jane Jenkins, and John Doe each have individual dealerships under the same name and dealership license. Who pays each employee? Who trained them? There MUST be management that should be charged. 🤔
They're likely trying to get those employees willing to testify against the owners as part of a plea bargain.
Love your collection of microphones. Some of them are real throwbacks to a bygone era.
If the employees are doing something like that the management knew what was going on.
Because the employees wouldn’t be seeing the profits from it, ownership would. Sounds like a “from the top down” issue
Lafayette! Hello from slightly south down the Delaware. :-)
"I'm sure the Dirty Dealer meant no harm"
-M&M commercial frm the 70's
There are a few states where you can take a vehicle and from another state and bring it to that state and they will give it a regular title. They won't give it a salvage title and you can then take it back to the original state and they'll process it as a regular title. A lot of states have put stops to this but in my state they call that washing the title or title washing cleaning it up. There are other ways that can be done. You can have a vehicle at the title is a salvage title and go by a vehicle that it was totaled but the insurance didn't pay anything on it. Same year same model same everything. Take the bin off of it. Put it on the vehicle that you want to wash and you have just cleaned up the title. You're the basically swapping out bins which is also not legal both of those are time consuming but something that can be done
Man i saw this and hoped you would cover it.
I wish they’d done that to the employees of Wells Fargo when they committed identity theft and other financial fraud. Instead people excused it because of the “pressure” to be a criminal was so strong. Really? Where do we draw that line! Apparently with car dealership employees.
Ben in front of the owl.
Lights camera and Steve puts his glasses on (action).
Somehow I'm just not surprised.
@11:56 "Most dealers can comply with the law".
@12:00 "Most dealers fly right, straight and narrow."
The above two statements are not synonymous.
The is no shortage of slimy dealerships that will take you for all they can, to great excess, while complying with the law.
They will overcharge you on everything imaginable -- from window security etchings to extended warranty purchases.
They will lie to your face, promising you almost anything that will get you to sign on the dotted line -- only for you to later find out that their promises are no where in the signed paperwork, and they will not honor their verbal promises.
They comply with the law, to avoid hefty fines and risk losing their license.
While at the same time, they take their customers to the cleaners, albeit legally.
Most dealers do not "fly right, straight and narrow".
Staying within the letter of law still allows some shady practices. The manager and employees in this case must've stepped wayyyyy out of bounds to reach the point of criminal charges. it would be interesting the learn the actual specific details of what they did.
Most dealers skate the line, good ones are never near the line. These guys were what line?
I recently was at a dealer looking at a car. They got my keys for my potential trade. I decided I wasn’t interested and wanted to go. One guy after another begging me to do the deal. I said where’s my keys? They pretended to search while offering this and that on the deal. I finally told the sales manager that he better find my key now or I was going to become the next national news story. He pulled my key from his pocket. I lowered my shirt back down over my pistol.
A large high volume dealership in the DFW area may employ 250 to 350 employees . So ..that's alot of charges .probably 5 each averaged over all 80 employees
I live in NC and have not heard about this till now. I'm wondering what's going to happen to other dealerships in NC.
thanks for the info about the car dealers manual >>> "Ignorance of the Law is not an excuse"
This was a franchise new car dealership, my question is can Nissan of North America pull their franchise license for actions like this?
Dealerships have in house body shops…. If they fix a wreck it doesn’t have to be reported to carfax or some other reporting agency
One here took a brand new genesis the dealership owners son wreck while intoxicated. The only two panels not damaged including the roof were the drivers front and rear door( needed a whole new front end)
It was repaired and sold as a new car!!
meanwhile the insurance companies who insured these vehicles after they were identified as totalled or salvage are to blame here also, those red flags should have came first when the innocent customer bought, and insured
Yes. Insurance companies are also complicit. There is no way they couldn't be. They have dedicated fraud departments, I find it hard to believe someone wouldn't notice what's going on.
It is legal to sell cars in NC without providing titles. The dealer will state that the "title is in transit". It took my brother one year to get his title to a used BMW that he purchased from a new and used car dealer in Durham, NC. He reported this to DMV and really took no action. My brother had to provide a bond in order to get new tags for the car. DMV inspector had to personally come to his house to verify the VIN and still did took no action. The dealer had to reimburse the expense for the bond.
The fact the dealership wasn't charged seems a bit sus... your telling me these employees broke all these laws without management noticing or encouraging it?
How about no...
Exactly...
somebody i know was fired from a dealership because when a customer lied about their insurance and they were caught, the person blamed an employee and said that they were the ones who had lied, the employee would have made less than $20 from the deal. and heres the problem, the ex employee cannot fight the termination because that would require a lawsuit, and if you are seen causing trouble for 1 dealership, nobody else in the area will hire you so there is quite literally nothing you can do. if the person who lied went to the dealerships bank or insurance company they would immediately stop working with the dealership even if the accusations were not credible, so the owner of the dealership did a secret loan out of his own pocket to sell the liar the motorbike he wanted. the ex employee was not removed from the dealerships systems which would happen within hours of termination if the accusations were even semi believable, so they were fired over accusations that were completely unfounded and easily disproven. keep in mind that the ex employee was the dealerships best worker and very often got gifts and tips from the customers because they were so professional and transparent.
That is really sad & utterly disgusting. It is hard to be a good person & work for a corporation. If they can't get you to tow the crooked line, you are out.
Been there.
That's about as clear as mud. I think you are saying the employee was fired, but they used the threat of being blacklisted to prevent the employee from making a stink about it. But it is completely unclear what you are saying the employee was actually accused of, other than it dealt with insurance.
The same kind of scandal is happening in Japan right now with a used car chain called Big Motor. The employees were pressured into over selling by management. If you didn't get at least $1000 dollars out of each customer, you were punished.
Former car salesman here. I won a wrongful termination lawsuit for whistleblowing. Then started a home improvement business. In my experience there is always at least one crooked salesman on the floor. Usually the lifers and most management. Avg career as a salesman is 18 months. If you get a newer salesman, good chance it’s a honest salesman. That being said customers are crooks too. Had plenty of customers lie about bad car faxes and transmission issues on trade ins not to mention they lie a lot to get free tires or other things. Customers are just as bad.
Joe Florek VW AUDI Super Store in Flagstaff sold me my '97 Jeep Cherokee Sport but never did get the title, they were closed by the FBI & IRS one day, There were so many untitled cars etc. I finally got the title in a different county! Best car I ever owned too. Jeep Jeep
I wonder how the dealership is skirting this without responsibility.
By smooth talking either with their mouth, or their wallet.
Wow😮
I bought a 05 Ford Explorer from car Hop April 27th or so and it's been in the shop for almost 6 weeks now. The engine long block went out. Im paying $10k+ interest. I guess I should check this out.
Sounds similar to Carvana business model.
That problem has been going on throughout North Carolina other cities and counties they'll just get a slap on the wrist cities and counties make so much money off of the ones they don't care
Of course.. Why bite the hands that feed them.. 😂😂
The Dealer that sold a car and traded in my father's 2-year-old fully paid for was such a dealer ship. The 94-year-old was urged in as they "Needed" his model. He picked out a car and signed his title. The 'car' was to be processed while the boss approves of the price. Title and keys given to Service manager who then made sure it was serviced (at insurance payments) and then put the car into a dummy name, stealing it for the sales and service... The then woozy from blood sugar signed the paperwork for a new car, with Bronze, Gold, Plat insurances tacked on. The Dealership was caught by the Car Finance company. And they compiled a suit against those two employees. I paid the insurance charges after my father's death and finally got the title. The CFO of Finance Co said I had free lifetime insurance and told me of the suit.
OK yall. We need to make Lehto's bingo. I'll start:
- Mentions Jalopnik
- "Literally"
- Chuckles while reading the article.
Excellent
I was expecting it to be a bmw, Mercedes, or Nissan dealership 😂
Wow they must have done something wrong to get criminal charges. If you're a big enough corporation you just sign a non-prosecution agreement without liability and agree to like, a consent order not to be criminals for like the next two years, maybe.
Somebody explain how/why car dealership employees get criminally prosecuted, when huge banks, like JPM Chase, WFB and B of A, literally steal $billions from customers and NOBODY even gets indicted, much less imprisoned - all that happens is the mega banks pay a big fine which gets passed on to the stock holders, and, get this, all the employees involved in the caper get XMAS bonuses. Anybody know?
Before i look at this video ,i bet they overcharges on parts ,repair times and costs , etc. I know the dealership i have been going to is price gouging. I know approximately how much time a repair should take in most cases and parts prices are jacked up. Its been goig on for awhile but more so after things settled from covid.
Very surprised the new West Virginia title clearing house didn't come up in this story.
It’s about time!
That "Don't hate yourself in the morning. Sleep until noon" was unexpected.
10 years as an F&I manager in a big dealership. The stories I could tell would curl your hair.
I will say a lot of shady stuff gets done out of expediency for everyone’s benefit - for instance, selling cars when you don’t have a tile because you are waiting for the pay off to clear on the trade in. 999 times out of a thousand the title shows up and the new customer gets a tile. Once in a while there is a problem with the title when it shows up 3 weeks later and you have a sh*t show.
Then there is a lot of outright shady stuff. One of our F&I people was outright forging credit life insurance policies. Nobody really buys that stuff. It’s either slipped in the payment or outright forged after the fact. She was a real hero for a while because she was miraculously selling lots of “croak and choke” insurance. The one she got caught forging was on a beater car financed from some “mouse house” - it was a small loan so the premium to the dealership was like 50 bucks. I think it cost us $50 grand. She was the boss’s pet until then.
One of our managers was dealing coke out of one of our stores. It was part of a big south side Chicago drip ring busted in the 1990s.
We never turned mileage back but we caught a few customers trying it. We crucified them.
A lot of rules get bent on even mundane things like applying for registration. But like Steve said, it’s all well and good until you are in a deposition with the state manual laid out in front of you.
There was an attorney back in the day in DuPage country who would live on going after dealerships. Just about any deal could be picked through for som infirmity. This guy had people placing his business cards under cars in mall,parking lots with license applied tags.
When I first read the Title, I thought OK this has got to be another entry in the Carvana Debacle...
Then Steve said it was Nissan and I almost gave myself Whiplash with the Double-Take I had...
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@Steve Lehto I'm beginning to wonder if car dealerships need to go. It feels like "honest" dealers are scarcer than hen's teeth. Is it time to bulldoze that part of the industry?
followup ... it took months for the Tote the Note dealer to register my car .... white washing the title AND hoping I would default on monthly payments .... hoping to keep the $$ I paid for title and registration
I live in Va... bought a car from a used dealership in NC. They lied about a lot of things. I filed a complaint with AG, especially since I couldn't get my title. Since they REFUSED to cooperate with the investigation the AG office TOLD me there was nothing they COULD DO. Like literally WTF?!
I left a bad review online the owner wasn't happy about and combined with that and complaints I filed I got lucky and finally got my title .. 3 weeks after temp tag expired and company wouldn't issue another temp tag. Course they lost all repeat business and my negative Google review is still there that they were upset about, screw them.
They also lied that car had never been in accident... before buying a car I highly recommend doing a vin search.
Whoa! 2 minutes ago?? No way!
Shocking
Ben lying down far left screen in front of the Owl, behind the Virginia plate; Steve’s right side.
Ben is barely in frame, no where to be found in a previous video. I wonder if Steve is about to fire Ben. I hope not. I enjoy looking for him and as well as the posts that ID him. Thanks for the post.
400 criminal charges and no RICO??????
I think it’s great that people are getting arrested. Companies don’t commit crimes. It’s the people in the companies committing crimes.
That ending was perfect! It a goal I aspire to achieve.
I hope to one day hate myself in the afternoon.
Currently I'm working on everyone else first!
That's a lot of damage!
My wife works at a DMV. One thing I have learned from that. Dealerships hire some really stupid people.
On top of the high-power vacuum tube on the far right (left side of frame). Are those radio broadcast tubes?
Did you record the deposition? Can you publish it so we can watch?
Car dealer here in TX refused to mail my plates and registration, I lived 60 miles away. Their reason was plates always seem to get lost in the mail. I went to my local DMV and got plates and duplicate reg. called the dealer and told them they can wipe their rear end with my old ones. I got pulled over and it was actually the cop who suggested I go to the local DMV and get new ones, he agreed the dealership was being stupid.
Ben starring down the low flying owl today, good luck owl you can take him!
I wonder if you had to buy a Nissan, would Shelby be the place to buy it since they are under so much scrutiny? Car dealerships seem like organized crime outfits, but most are flying under the radar. Maybe you wouldn't get screwed as badly right now at that particular dealership?
I bought a brand new Ford Ranger XLT back in 2010. Paid it off and never received a title. My registration still to this day says it has a lean on it by Ford.
I went to a dealership to look at used SUV's. Got down on the ground to look for fluid leaks, rust and such. The salesman started yelling at me "You, you can't do that! It's, it's, it's a... liability issue!" I said "ok, can i make a deposit on it and send the vehicle to an independent shop?" (5 miles away). Guy says "No, theres no need to as we've done a 250 point inspection on each vehicle." So i said "Cool, do you have a copy of the results of the inspection that I can have?" He just stood there with his mouth open, not knowing what to say. I pretended to look at a couple of other vehicles, and left.
Would not say dealerships are dishonest, but, working in the city in the area called Motortown, with a dealership across the road, and one to the left, those 2 were found doing shady stuff. Across the road did a lot of high end vehicles, sale on consignment, and one day the staff came in and no owner, skipped the country, with all the money for around a year of sales. One to the left the same, just did it for around 9 months before doing the same. I chained the doors up, because they left them open, and it was a massive security issue for us as we shared a driveway. But I bought a car from the dealership in the next block, and it served me well, got 15 years out of it before selling it off and getting another, that is 10 years younger.
Even more fun is when there's an accident with medical expenses and the lawyer folk go looking for the car owner and they find the dealership's name, or the previous owner's name on the title.
Phone rings, phone is answered :
"Uh,, mr Lehto ?". Yes that's me. "Um, did you used to own a grey SUV ?". Yes I did. I traded it at honest Joe's used car dealership. "It was in an accident and you owe us $300,000 for medical expenses."
Ya, that's not gonna hold up in court. The liability would fall on honest Joe and you would have to prove they knew or should have known of the issue.
That is when you have a use for that receipt of purchase, and have sent the paperwork in to the DMV as well.
@@vivica8207 yes, but they gonna try.