How to Confederate Tyrion in Warhammer 3
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- Опубликовано: 21 июл 2024
- Guide to Confederate Tyrion's High Elf faction while playing as Eltharion in Immortal Empires Legendary Difficulty Total War: Warhammer 3
Details about how confederation works in Warhammer 3 are covered in:
"How to Confederate in Warhammer 3" • How to Confederate in ...
(Baseline evaluation and Relative faction strength calculations seem to be different for High Elves.)
Eltharion Infinite Money Exploit Guide for Warhammer 2 (largely unchanged in Warhammer 3): • INFINITE MONEY High E...
CA have said that they are aware of the issues with Confederation of Legendary Lords in Warhammer 3 - so expect this to be tweaked in future updates.
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I've had some reports that confederating Tyrion is much easier in the new 2.0 Patch, have not had a chance to test yet. If you have confederated Tyrion in 2.0 ( Immortal Empires BETA ) Please let me know.
Good to know :D
seems that you cant send payments while at war anymore with your exploit, also does the indoctrination not work if you go back to peace?
@@RealTykan Pretty sure the payments thing still works if you do it exactly like I showed in video: Peace + Military Alliance + Money, - peace. Indoctrination money keeps flowing when you are at peace
Hold up - minus physical resistance doesn't affect you if you don't already have physical resist!? I had no idea. I figured if you didn't have any, then a -10% physical resist would make you take 110% damage from physical attacks
Yeah you can't reduce a resistance below zero. You need something like "Weakness to Fire" to increase damage from a particular source.
The reason people want high relations to count is less because it makes sense from a logistical and historical standpoint but because they want to go around and collect lords to add to their empire, and because they might want territory the AI is occupying, if you love painting the map it sucks having to constantly keep betraying your allies cause they've settled on territory you want and are asking for obscene amounts in exchange for it
The fact that you need to go through all of these hurdles and essentially cheese the game just to confederate shows that CA needs to change something.
Meanwhile the ai races are gobbling themselves up in confederations by turn 20
I heard it was getting changed in 2.0, should be easier to confederate legendary Lords now, and a bit hard to confederate non legendary lords.
As a Greenskin player I feel so good now knowing that confederation by Krumping is the best way to expand you empire now in WH3
Didn't know about the ambush trick, that's pretty cool😁
nice video. My guess is that the diplomat is the trait that causes them to prefer high relations over faction strength. Especially, since the trait says: "..., this leader barely considers the other faction's strength during diplomacy" ;-)
It does seem much harder as HE to conferderate, kind of pushing you towards bash confed. Especially, since Ulthuan is invaded by N'kari, the HE should be more inclined to unite against the common threat.
The bash confederation is just a way to artificially reduce their strength - you could wait till they lose some wars, maybe try to engineer that by inviting them into wars or try a variety of other things, but for the purposes of demonstrating how the confederations work bash confederation is the most reliable way.
Great video!
Thanks mate!
Moving in different stances is a welcome improvement, but I always assumed being in ambush within a LoS of an enemy would guarantee getting detected. Apparently not.
Cool guide once again Mercy. Keep the science coming bud.
Yeah you SHOULD get detected but apparently you don't always. Maybe there is an increased chance?
It kinda makes sense. You can't take a camping army that the enemy can see and just rearrange them into being sneaky under the enemy's watch, but you could maybe take the army back into the forest, ready them for being stealthy, and creep them closer without the enemy being able to see them (say, under cover of foliage or night, just that the game's format doesn't look like it lends itself to that, with the whole not having night on the campaign map and all.)
My reasoning for not being able to move in ambush stance was exactly this. Bit weird they missed that imo. Anyway confederating like this is not fun for me. I only did the similar VC confederation trick once in WH2.
I like having the ability to force confederations if I decide to devote the early game to this and nothing else, but I also like playing normally and just accepting that you may or may not get the confederation and it is in the hands of the gods.
9:34 Diplomat: "barely considers others' faction strength during diplomacy"
Sounds like you found it.
Ooof, think i will wait for a mod for confedding. Thanks though Senor Mad
No worries
I'm trying to do this but keeping Wastelands settlement, very hard, I can't afford a full stack on ulthuan however I managed to survive Nkari double stack invasion with an incendiary mage fortifying next my capital, now I'm preparing to attack Ethaein, which conquered all south Ivress.
Sounds fun, just depends how challenging you want it to be. For easiest campaign just concentrate everything on getting infinite money happening first then the game difficulty is basically over. Keeping both settlements and/or not doing infinite money makes it hard (and probably more fun) :)
I always got the sense Tyrion is kinda the Shogun of Ulthuan so it makes sense he's a pain to confederate, but... they should just add a quest or something
does this factor in the 2.0 patch that hits today which changes how confederations are weighted?
Nope this was made prior. Have to test but I assume everything will be the same, except it will be easier now.
Before the most recent update (Sept. 1, 2023) it wasn't that hard to confederate him with Alarielle but now they've fucked it up big time. Turn 37, military alliance chance -7, confederation -100 (he only has Lothern plus Galleon's Graveyard, mind). That's a confederation difficulty spike at least 50%, maybe closer to 100%. It sucks big time and it's not fair either, given how I obliterated NKari and Noctilus' invasion pretty much on my own.
Do you have 150+ relations and Alarielle's faction is heavy damaged/weakened?
What is your relations and Alarielle state?
The lack of ability to rrasonably confederate amongst the High Elves is a real turn off for me imo. I like the idea here but it feels you must play with Eltharion in order to make this really work.
I suppose any time I play HE in IM it will have to be once the recruit defeated LL mod is available. I may be alone but the fact that easier confederations existed amongst them made part of the campaign for me. Will just stick to other factions for now.
Apparently they made confeds easier for Legendary Lords in the patch that just dropped, so maybe try it out.
I'm curious what makes Dark Elves more likely to confederate. I'm at strength rating 1 on a campaign, and Cult of Pleasure is rank 120, and Hag Graef is 121 and they absolutely don't want to confederate with me. Har Ganeth is MORE likely to at rank 90. But they are still at -25 chances of confederating.
It's very frustrating that I feel I can't do anything to confederate with them.
150 relations is the break point. 120 is not good enough. You should get a substantial boost when you hit 150. It may still not get you there but if not, you should at least be a lot closer than you are at 120
@@MercytheMad Thank you for the response! I was talking about global strength ratings in the initial post as I was confused why factions who are so much weaker then me militarily despise the idea of confederating me.
But knowing 150 relations is a significant difference I will certainly try to push for that rating next!
You will totally win such batlle manually. Goblins will run very soon. Spears would be able to hold untile archies do their job.
Thanks, maybe I need to back myself more!
devs mentioned they rebalanced confederations in patch 2.0
I wonder if that actually changes anything
I had one person comment that it IS easier to confed legendary Lords in 2.0. Have not confirmed myself though.
I am trying your method actually but for some reason when I go to the diplomacy to make a peace treaty for the infinite money cheese I do not see any military alliance nor any military defense after I press the peace treaty. its awkward why its happening because I try it with the green skins and I get the option for military alliance. Not sure if its a bug or something got changed
I don't think you can form a MA while being at war with his allies or allied to his enemies - check if that helps
@@GaeBoIg yea you were right. For some reason Alarielle had a military alliance with him and basically screwed the campagin over
I haven't watched the video yet, but he's punching poor Tyrion in the face again, isn't he?
Yep.
Hey Mercy,
does your Imrik Guide still work? aka- "screw the planes of BONEGANISTAN , I´m going HOME !! "
Imrik Quest was bugged for me pre-2.0. Have to test again post patch.
@@MercytheMad Thx, Im looking forward to it !!
i was strength rank 1 and tyrion was rank 28... i had over 600 positive relations with him and i was avelorn. he was stil at -38 for the diplomacy thing when i tried to confederate him... ffs
the gifting money while at war doesnt work anymore? it doesnt allow me to send a military alliance with a peace treaty
It definitely DOES still work - just tested in immortal empires with Eltharion.
Some factions you will not be able to add military alliance to the deal (because they are someone's vassal, they are a faction that cannot do diplomacy with you , etc.) but high elf to high elf (non vassal) it definitely works.
@@MercytheMad I was just fucking it up, it works still. When you sack his settlement does it reset his gold to low again? I sacked him after he attacked me and the income dropped to shit
@@RealTykan Nah sacking doesn't do anything unless there is a Lord there. Every time you kill an indoctrinated Lord you lose that income.
The move in ambush stance thing Isnt working for me. can anyone else confirm?
hmm, validated files and it got fixed.
Awesome! It's a good quality of life change.
@@MercytheMad its doing it again but only for Nakai so far. dwarf campaign is fine. Very odd.
Good to know we can still roleplay as the CIA! 👍
You can't do it anymore. You can't cancel the peace treaty and still offer gold :/
It still works. You have to do it in the right order:
Offer Peace>Add Money>Add Military Alliance (or Defensive or whatever) >Cancel Peace (do not cancel alliance)
When you cancel Peace it will remove Peace and the Alliance but leave the money.
Nah, just make your relationship more than 150 or 200 and then just Confederate with overpowering by faction strength. On 150+ relationship the base penalty would be only 20, so your strength can mitigate it
Don't agree with your last take. It makes sense lore wise, or in a story telling perspective, but it's just a hindrance in a sandbox game, and makes things too tedious. Not that it should be easy, but having to focus your whole early game to be able to confed another legendary lord as a faction that's supposed to be diplomatic is ridiculous gameplay wise.
I wasn't talking about difficulty, I was just saying that I like Relative Faction strength being part of the calculation. Some people were saying that high relations by itself should be enough. I think I want it to basically be the same as it was in Warhammer 3 but 10-20 points easier.
Apparently it HAS been made easier in patch 2.0 but I have yet to test. I'm just hoping they haven't made it so easy that all the mechanics that make it up are just irrelevant.
About the strong allies don’t won’t to confederate I want to point out that in France and Germany, arguably the strongest countries in Europe, both have much to gain from forming a confederation. I also don’t think that lore wise they would refrain much from confederation as especially the High elves are one country already
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WTF INFINITE MONEY CHEESE?! Does it still work?!
Yeah it still works in WH3, I have a video specifically about the money cheese.
This confederation bullshit has ruined warhammer 3 from me. It's what kept campaigns moving forward to me, being able to confederate the next LL and completing the set.
wondering how to confederate the DLC races that you did not buy... Ohhh right, you can´t because the AI gets the DLC and the player can suck it... Enjoy a game were the player is limited if you do not buy the DLC´s
this is exploit not cheese, learn the diffrence
Don't like it, don't use it
@@dahakaprod6519 He is right tho. It IS straight up an exploit rather than cheese. Pretty funny though. Ultimately it doesn't matter since it is a singleplayer game and you can mod stuff
I try to include a bit of everything. But exploiting the weaknesses of the AI is the name of the game.
@@dahakaprod6519 Nooooo! You can't have fun the way you want in this single player game, you have to play fairly and handicap yourself!
@@eruiluvatar6688 Mercy is providing you with an option, knowledge to do something, exploit or not doesn't matter and there's no reason for people to be upset about it.
No one is forcing you to do if you don't want to, for whatever reason
hhow can u play a campaign with full exploits anda ctually make a video not about that but around that lol, pretty lame ngl.
Not sure what you mean, might have to be more specific.
jesse what the fuck are you talking about?