Weezer's Lost Album - Songs from the Black Hole
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- Опубликовано: 2 июл 2024
- After their debut self titled "Blue album", Weezer set out on his next project. Their frontman, Rivers Cuomo, came up with an idea for space themed rock opera. But, when personal issues got in the way of the project, it was scrapped. Ultimately, what came from the fallout was their second album, Pinkerton. But, what happened to the rock opera? What was it about? What was Songs from the Black Hole?
This was my first fully live-action video, outside of my QnA. I made plenty of mistakes, but I think the video turned out to be one of my favorites! If you liked it, please consider liking and subscribing.
Intro - 00:00
Background - 2:41
Story - 5:50
Songs - 6:47
Conclusion - 26:30
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ok but what about the unreleased hash pipe album, songs from the butt hole?
Ass wide forever
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Following up a Nirvana video with a video that's 27 minutes and 27 seconds long had to be you inadvertently fucking with me
It’s a shame they never pursued any albums as dark as their Pinkerton era, but I’m glad we have the demos and extra tracks for us to enjoy
tbh the five song streak in maladroit of Death and destruction, slob, burndt jamb, space rock, and slave is the closest they ever got to that sound and feeing again, aside from some things on SZNZ Autumn and Winter
@@theccarbiter the demos of MB are great too
I saw Weezer live in the summer of 2000. They played all the good tracks from Blue and Pinkerton, and then did an Encore that was easily an album's worth of unreleased tracks. They weren't very good... and none of
them ended up on the Green Album. It was cool to hear a bunch of tracks that never got released though.
malodroit?
Theyre not talking about the sound yall
There's only one album that really comes close to Pinkerton for me and it's Songs From the Black Hole. You can imagine my excitement when I saw Goat Punishment pull out "I Just Threw Out The Love Of My Dreams" (possibly my favorite Weezer song) and "You Gave Your Love To Me Softly" last fall.
For me, the definitive version is Operation: Space Opera. For those who aren't familiar, It's a fan re-recording and interpretation of the entire story. Each character has a unique voice actor and it has the polish of a finished album.
Despite all of that, Pinkerton is still my favorite album of all time. I'd love to see you do a similar video on the sea opera (or lack thereof) and Ecce Homo.
I feel like Ecce Homo now has the mystique that Songs From the Black Hole had in the 2000s.
Horror History: WEEZER 😱😱😱😟😟😟
was not expecting you here
wasn't expecting you'd be here at all, but I am glad you are
There was a better version online that collected the demos that was great. It go taken down by Weezer's management because of rivers demo site
You're making my journey to consume the most amount of weezer media possible easier. Thank you.
I have spent an uncomfortable amount of my life trying to make a concise track listing using the story notes for the album. I have the utmost respect for anyone who can make sense of this mess.
Same bro, same.. I think the middle part of the album is very chaotic! Like, I still don't know where to put "Why Bother?" in all this mess
@@alcofribasnasier4660why bother is right before the last track, longtime sunshine
@@alcofribasnasier4660also you know what why bother is before longtime sunshine because why bother ends with the same piano chord that long time sunshine starts with!
@@alcofribasnasier4660 music.ruclips.net/p/PLyGWkX8w8QTu9bclTaLqxQQcOKc4OsNww&si=rkm2x5mx-VJSQ8Xn
@@kevschnibbletz3808I mean you can use that as definite proof but it also could be a suspended continuation (whatever you call it) like what Rivers did on the actual Pinkerton (with ‘Why Bother?’ to ‘Falling For You’) which is why it is really confusing because you can never know with the Buddy Holly Boy
Tracklist of the video for those curious:
1 - Blast Off! (2 minutes and 2 seconds)
2 - Who You Callin' Bitch? (45 seconds)
3 - Oh Jonas (26 seconds)
4 - Please Remember (37 seconds)
5 - Come To My Pod (1 minute and 31 seconds)
6 - Oh No, This Is Not For Me (44 seconds)
7 - I'm Tired Of Having Sex (2 minutes and 42 seconds)
8 - Superfriend (3 minutes and 30 seconds)
9 - She's Had A Girl (55 seconds)
10 - Dude, We're Finally Landing (56 seconds)
11 - Now I Finally See (40 seconds)
12 - Gitchoo (2 minutes and 54 seconds)
13 - I Just Threw Out The Love Of My Dreams (2 minutes and 38 seconds)
14 - No Other One (3 minutes and 2 seconds)
15 - Devotion (3 minutes and 16 seconds)
16 - What Is This I Find? (1 minute and 20 seconds)
17 - Longtime Sunshine (3 minutes and 17 seconds)
Total runtime: 31 minutes and 25 seconds
It’s really weird listening to the Alone version of Longtime Sunshine because it sounds really melancholic and almost hopeful towards the end when Rivers changes the one lyric before the final chorus and the strings (or oboe? I have no idea what instrument it is) kicks in.
The Pinkerton Deluxe version on the other hand is so unbelievably soul-crushing and hopeless in the context of SFTBH (I’m pretty sure this is the version meant for the album). It gets even better with the acappella section that closes out the song which could be interpreted as Jonas’ past thoughts and memories of him on the spaceship flashing before his eyes as he’s swallowed whole by the supernova star which is even more depressing and always gets me sad on relistens.
The alone version has honestly always felt like the more miserable one to me since it feels like a “real” version outside of the concept, the last lyric is the deluxe edition is clearly written for the ending of songs from the black hole, but the last line on the alone version is just fucking heartrenching. “Sometimes I wanna get in a car, close my eyes and drive real fast, keep on going till I get somewhere, where I can truly rest” has always read as overtly suicidal to me, the SFTBH version has him die sacrificing himself as a metaphor, the alone version he’s just saying he wants to die. It’s fucking gut wrenching and makes the final chorus that swells after it feel like a sort of last goodbye
honestly rivers writes so good that each of his songs can stand on it's own even without context
even Everything Happens for a Reason?
What are your thoughts on the songs:
Put me back together
Tripping down the freeway
Tragic Girl
Waiting on You
Linkara
Also Superfriend is very cool when you realize that right after seemingly admitting his guilt in leading a girl on and using her he immediately tries to do the same to Laurel. Bro is just so good at writing about what a weasel he is
Long Time Sunshine is such a wonderful song. I love playing it on the guitar.
There is an excellent version at the tiny desk concert.
where was this video when i had to write a whole essay on this for english class
I think so many of us love SFTBH because it’s like Pinkerton taken to the extreme, the lyrics and instrumentals are rougher, and the basic production makes everything feel more personal. I’ve listened to it most certainly as much, if not more than Pinkerton
How can a space rock opera be personal
@@alphalax7747 Well it isn't a finished album, I think it's more personal because of that. Rivers doing every voice, weird lyrics and rough instrumentation, it's like seeing halfway through the creative process rather than a perfect complete album.
Also, despite being space themed, it's ultimately about relationships, and I remember Rivers saying somewhere that it was basically just an analogy for being on tour
@@alphalax7747The album itself is Rivers' personal view of fame and relationships.
i used to think i knew everything about weezer and considered myself an encyclopedia but bro you literally put my knowledge to shame
22:15 "he loves yanny!"
Shout out for using across the sea clip from the npr tiny desk. That set goes hard af
I like your interpretation of long time sunshine, but I personally disagree with it. Despite what Rivers says about Jonas volunteering, I think the more compelling narrative interpretation is about Jonas self-immolating via supernova. To me, the best ending of the story has What is This I Find leading Jonas to a breaking point. Realizing the harm he's caused the people around him, in Long Time Sunshine he strands himself without the crew knowing as a way for him to "atone" for the abuse he caused. However, while burning, the voices of the crew are still there. His death will not fix anything, it will not heal the wounds he opened. So, even in death, he is still acting selfishly. It means that there's really no way out after hurting someone. There is no good way for the story of the Betsy II to end, it's bleaker and I think makes for a more interesting narrative.
I hope that one day I can turn this into to play or movie.
for a while there, there was an upload of the album that was 40 or so minutes long comprised entirely of the original recordings. not sure where it went or what track listing it used, but it was my favorite upload of it online.
As a avid SFTBH enjoyer, I have been dying for this video.
best channel on yt right here
My favorite comment gets pinned on February 19th
Maybe this is a dumb comment to make here, but genuinely, you’re one of my favorite youtube channels. Every video you’ve posted has been so passionate, funny, and wonderful. I wasn’t even interested in weezer or anything, but you’ve helped me really enjoy and appreciate their catalog a whole lot more. The lore too lmao. Very informative stuff, and as a musician, seeing the process in this way (even if the result is a complete fucking disaster) is so cool and really inspiring. Thank you for sharing these stories with us
Thank you for leaving such a lovely comment!
my guy has ran a community poll for the past fortnight and worked on this mastapiece 😭😭
Especially given the way Long Time Sunshine plays out at the end, this whole operatic album gives me major vibes of another band's efforts in the field that DID actually release officially, Ludo's 'Broken Bride'. Both excellent, now that I've had this chance and reason to dig up and listen to what exists of SFTBH. Also excellent? This video, and your general work.
I think SFTBH evolved from an idea Rivers had while recording Blue in 93, of a Gary Numan influenced synth album with that dog. style harmonies featuring a song he had just written called “Buddy Holly.” Then The Rentals just happened to release a Gary Numan influenced synth album with that dog. style harmonies, which Rivers stated as being one of the reasons he scrapped SFTBH.
seeing this notification cheered me up, thanks
seeing this comment cheered ME up so we're even
@@MarcButEvil i guess it's like what they say, you scratch my back, i scratch yours
Love the "invincible"/"superfriend" reference lmao. Sick video bromego
Haha i was thinking about making a SFTBH video but this is better than what i could do. Great video!
Looking good, dude 😎
I think Now I Finally See works better as a lead in for No Other One
I was hoping to see you talking about SFTBH and, specially, Long Time Sunshine. Great video!
21:51 OH MY FUCKING GOD I THOUGHT RIVERS SANG “ all of the jocks she does scare me real good” I FEEL LIKE SUCH AND IDIOT OMG.
Love your analysis, it's a hard story to follow with so many drafts and Rivers voicing every character for most songs, but I think you did the best explanation I've ever seen. Though, I don't understand why Why Bother is left out of so many people's tracklists, it fits so well with the story, Jonas getting angry at Maria for cheating on her, he becomes miserable, and decides to die in the supernova. Longtime Sunshine even interpolates Why Bother, so I feel like it should be in everyone's tracklists, yet it's not.
Where would you put the song in the tracklist?
@@alcofribasnasier4660 Probably between What Is This I Find and Longtime Sunshine
@@alcofribasnasier4660 one begins and the other ends on the exact same piano chords, meaning they tie together perfectly and its intentional
Love the video dude, I really enjoyed how you broke down the concept of the album and I think you should consider using this same style for other concept albums. For example I would really love to hear your take on My Chemical Romance's The Black Parade or maybe Dream Theater's Scenes from a Memory, another good choice would be Hot Fuss by The Killers, just to name a few. As much as I love all of your Weezer stuff I'd hate to see you typecast as exclusively "The Weezer Guy", you clearly have a lot of talent for this and I'd love to see you tackle more from different artists.
That means a lot man! Hot Fuss was one of the first albums I ever fell in love with, and Black Parade got me through some tough times, so it’s really only a matter of time. I’m also trying to broaden more over time so hopefully the type casting won’t happen!
@@MarcButEvil hell yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing what you cook up!
sad you didn't mention the coda at the end of Longtime Sunshine
LOOOOONG TIME SUUUUUNSHINE
I had a nightmare last night that I was at the op shop and I found this really cool shirt and it was in the style of make believe background except with mushrooms and it looked super cool like one of my favourite shirts and it was a weezer shirt and I was so happy and excited and there was another one and I had never seen it in real life before but then I left for a second and came back and the layout of the clothes had changed and I couldn’t find it and I searched desperately and all I could find was some piece of paper about it and it had some people wearing the clothes and other collections and it had like reviews on it and it was from 2006 and then I woke up so I was mad.
Amazing video.
Ig you could say this album could’ve been, supermassive
Great video.
I personally don't agree with calling Songs From The Blackhole lost media though.
Great video, but we all know that Weezer's LOST album is Hurley
I really liked the way you put this video together!
Thank you!
I have been waiting for this one:)
the invincibles thing got me
Songs From the Black Hole is a very interesting "what if" and I would highly recommend it to any fan of Pinkerton. I will say though, anyone who thinks that SFtBH would've been received better than Pinkerton (I've seen it said a few times over the years) are very much looking at it through a "grass looks greener" lens. As great as some of the songs on it are, "space themed rock opera" would totally have been doomed to fail.
edit: Oh, and the coda for Long Time Sunshine is incredible
Absolutely, it would've been massacred critically and probably tanked commercially.
You are very cool marc!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So are you!
@@MarcButEvil Great video, your interpretation of the project was the best I've seen
its weezer time
really good video. if u havent, you should listen to the rough version of you wont get with me tonight. its SO good. brian is singing it as well.
man i love weez
This video is phenomenal.
I love your videos
It’s unfortunate they never released an official “Songs From The Black Hole.” I like a lot of the songs on it and wish I could listen to the entire official album in order. I guess half the interest is it never was completed, which makes it that much more interesting.
As always I loved your video Marcbutevil. The synthesis you did about the black hole songs made a lot of sense, especially for me. After reading the comments about "Longtime Sunshine", both positive and negative, I listen to the song over and over again and you know what? Every time I understand Rivers more, he is human like all of us, and he has his dark side of course. Who doesn't have it? but the good thing is what we have after he finally get out of there, "Pinkerton" an album adored by almost all Weezer's fans.
Tremendous work Marc. I hope to see more of your videos soon.
I love the song you won’t get with me tonight it’s prob my favorite deluxe track off Pinkerton
2:58 Typo! 1995
red album video when
Peak
WERID SCREECHY ONE???? ARE YOU KIDDING ME????
arguably the best solo on the album imo and rivers belting out those lyrics is phenomenal
I'm glad you decided to take a break from running AEW to talk about Weezer to us, Tony!
Can you make a whole video on Raditude. Like all The songs and the backround. Like you did on Make Believe
Definitely! I'm hoping to do that within the next few weeks/months actually.
Kevin Green
Can you Make a vid on Weird ass weezer things like the balloon incident and tupac incident.
I NEED to hear about the 2Pac incident because what the fuck
Next up the Pinkerton retrospective
amazing video
Wtf Marc has a face?!
Thank you so much for all the Weezer lore 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽 I love SFTBH so much, especially Long Time Sunshine
I’m unhappy with Jonas being stranded in the ending, but I think that’s why I like it so much ironically, he’s making a sacrifice for people at that point he’d rightfully have ill will towards many of.
Love Billy cobbs versión of the álbum
And the songs available in the pinkerton deluxe
Althoug to ve honest didnt know it was on Spotify, maybe cause i don't have Spotify since i was 16 but i'll check it out
Edit: ok sunshines and rainbows has a complete diferent meaning now
I probalbly just picture other wilds, rogué one or Flashpoint for now on
You deserve way more subscribers! All your videos are amazing
It’s super fun (since there’s an incomprehensible amount of content on RUclips) when you find a creator with this quality and talent when they’re still getting under 10k views on their videos. Keep it up my man! One day you’re gonna pop !
That means a lot, thanks!
I love WEEZER my favorite part is when Rivers walked into a room and started weezering all over the place because I LOVE WEEZER so much.
I am so glad I found this video. I was obsessed with SFTBH as a teen and this rejuvinated my fascination
Another very well put video! Have you considered tackling fan made albums like homecoming or "unnofficial" albums like opposite sides of the same good ol' fence? I think those would also make for great video topics
Ok
Weezer the NTR album
Yes
I remember when Pinkerton came out, no one liked it. But I thought it was fantastic. Still one of my favorite albums to this day. Finding other stuff from that era is glorious.
the rivers stank cd
I've lost interest around Maladroit era, but this demo album fascinates me, I never knew and I always thought Pinkerton was the second album and probably the best album of now the first four, nay, FIVE Weezer albums. The analysis you laid out is superb.
I have one question though: what the hell was Waun doing during these events? Probably hanging out with the mechanoid is my guess.
great video
Big fan of the ,':^) matt edit
i literally googled “dreamworks face” as reference and used a pic of megamind lmao
1:31 when was this live performance?
This is long overdue. I loved Pinkerton but would have loved to see them release this too or later on.
One song that I don't think was on any official list but it's an amazing addition right after You Won't Get With Me Tonight is Why Bother? I had downloaded a version of SFBH that had it and was amazing.
I'm sad that SFTBH didn't come out but at the same time Pinkerton is such a masterpiece, I don't think I could've lived without it. (pinkerton is currently my favourite album, one of the only few albums i can sit through and sing along and dance and do all my cringey little things without skipping a single song.
Fantastic video. Not sure if you’re on Allthingsweezer but Rivers has been talking about making a “sequel” or demoing songs that match a similar story.
Also pls do a video on the fake “sea opera”, it’s a very interesting part of rivers songwriting before ecce homo.
Buy a pop filter. You're going to pop someone's bass speaker.
Playlist of your ideal track order in the description? Your take is really good
I have a bootleg of Songs From The Black Hole, if you want it I gotchu
Idk if anyone agrees with this but I liked Operation Space Opera’s version of the tracklist personally. There’s just something about it that I can’t put into words.
Regarding Rachel Haden, she was in a really good but really overlooked all-girl rock group in the 90s, "That Dog". Definitely worth trying if you haven't already!
Wow I love weezer and how eird they are but they sure are weird
Next video: How long is Dondos big thang??
Imhappy this video exists
i love Weezer, and i love rock operas, so this is a really really interesting project to me, i would love to see Rivers pull a Beach Boys and finally complete the album in like 20 years, although i doubt it’ll ever happen
I just saw blast off live on the 6th of june and for somw reason rivers sang it all even the robot
Somewhere there's an alternate universe where songs from the Black Hole just swept the Tonys
Isn’t the full band rehearsal of this confirmed to exist?
Some songs, yes, but most of the story-driven (often shorter, interstitial type) ones that connect the actual pieces of music were only made and played by rivers.
@@dababysthirdcousintwicerem340 works for me!
Also, the band version of Superfriend was apparently recorded over. Sigh...
@@aidanhickey9845 oh my gofd crying
I always envisioned this made into a movie directed by Wes Anderson.
The Disco Biscuits have a Space Themed Rock Opera coming out sometime in 2024 and the songs from it that I have heard so far are awesome. They also have a rock opera called Hot Air Baloon that is incredible.
Sorry if you don't