Spot on review! I've been using this kit live for the past three months with decent results, my only complaint is some of the stock cymbal samples are cringe worthy. Importing my samples from SD3 is tedious as you pointed out. I have asked questions about a computer editor being released but I haven't heard anything, this would be a HUGE help in programming this module. Build quality is a little confusing for a "pro" module (all plastic), I take extra care when transporting. Compared to current electronic guitar & keyboard gear, Electronic drum modules are in my opinion are at least 15 years behind current tech, color displays, drive space & expansions to name a few. Roland & Yamaha need to learn a lesson from companies like Fractal, Neural, Line6 etc.... continue to develop and support the product with updates after release. So far there was one update last December but I'm not holding my breath for anything else.
These new Yamaha modules sound amazing. I honestly wouldn't even want to use a VST with them. I'd love for them to release an updated multipad with these kinds of sounds.
I LOVE this review Luke. I have watched it 3 times already! Absolutely down to fine points I have not seen in any other videos. FYI I knew the toms were single sensor, don't know how.I knew, might have checked out a PDF of the toms at some point. While it's not mentioned in other reviews, I have heard other people mention it. Not sure if it's got the architecture for it, but it would be a massive bonus if Yamaha brought out an iOS/Android app for editing like they did with previous DTX modules.
Thanks man! It's a long review to watch multiple times, I appreciate it haha! I absolutely agree that an app could make things much easier, especially when it comes to the multilayered sample side of things!
Very good review Luke! As for using other pads.... Ive run into this with a megadrum with pads that are "too hot" for a module. Adding a 100k ohm resistor to the pad or a 100k ohm potentiometer (linear curve) will drastically reduce the pads output and make it way more usable with a module that likes low output pads.
I've been very curious about this kit for a while and I'm considering buying the smaller one for some smaller gigs. They've recently updated this module with some new sounds and features, as well as cleaned up the user interface and apparently is easier to create multilayered instruments as a result.
TCS Pads are very nice. So the conundrum is....Pearl mimic pro with ATV rack drums and cymbals or the Yamaha with easier knob/slider interface and heavy, big rack. Tough to find a decent gig ready kit that has good sound, quality build and ease of live performance backing tracks and real time user adjustments. As usual, great in-depth review.
Mimic with TCS pads is a win for me. Though if positional sensing is a deal breaker, ATV. Not a cheap option but It’ll tick all the boxes. Now they have an editor available, your no longer limited (for want of a better expression) to the core library. But I do like this Yamaha kit a lot. Their hardware is as good as they get, I like the TCS surface very well, my personal favourite, though I got the XP pads and not the shell version myself. And this pro module, while not perfect, will certainly be a very good gigging kit.
Good review Luke! I think it's a great kit. I actually like the module sounds, even though they don't exactly sound real, they have a cool, slick Yamaha e-drum sound to them. I think I'd definitely be able to dial in some rad tones with one of these.
Good review. I agree w/ the transient heavy comment. I’ve played w/ a Dtx 900 module for years and just got the pro x. I put it though the PA and had to dial back the attack (transient level) quite a bit because it was just too biting compared to the 900.
That real wood finish is actually the same finish that you find on their Yamaha Tour Custom (Caramel Satin); pretty nice finish, if I do say so myself. The black one is pretty standard, but very elegant. That's also on their Tour Custom (Licorice Satin). I think both colours are awesome, but if I had to pick one I'd go with the Caramel colour. It goes out of the standard. As a side note: Roland needs to bring different colors to their VAD line of drums (the 706 does have color variants, though).
I'd heard that they were finishes that were used on their acoustic kits but it's nice to know the names to match them up! I agree that other variations of the 500 and 300 VAD kits would be nice!
« Real wood » finish come from the Recording Custom finish, who have exactly the same color! (« Caramel » finish from Tour custom don’t have exactly the same color!
real nice great video ,i still cant get rid of my td 30 i had the td 50 brain but sent it back .TD 30 i had 12 years it the best for me and held up the whole time
This is certainly the most detailed review of this kit on RUclips. How would you say the dtx8k compares in terms of sound, playing feel and value to a vad306 or td27kv considering they cost about the same?
I can't really make any firm conclusions on the DTX8K kits as I've not used them (or the DTX-PRO module) outside of a very quick test at the UK Drum Show. If I make a guess based on my experience with the 10K, I'd imagine the 8K should be pretty competitive with the Roland kits if you like the sound set and features that the PRO module offers, though I do think that the 27's digital pads out-perform the Yamaha 12" snare and 17" ride overall.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop It seems to me that Roland is on another level with their digital pads. I`ve got all three and there`s nothing else on the market that can rival the precision and consistency of the Roland digital pads. (Even the new (analog) super-thin 16"/14" crashes are another great "real-feel-level-up".) What about a "best e-hi-hat"-episode with the best from all brands? Or known brands, at least:) The electric hi-hat is in my opinion the most important AND difficult trigger to make (with the nature of a hh with all its expressions/sounds) Would love to see you do a video on it! Spoiler alert: the vh-14d`s will win....an absolute gamechanger that there should be more fuzz about, seems unbeatable combined with SD3. BTW! : Great channel, dude! looking forward to every episode. This is by far the best e-drum channel on youtube:) Greetings from Norway:)
Super video. Love your channel. I own an Alesis Crimson 2 SE. I want to upgrade to either the Alesis Strike Pro or this Yamaha DTX10. I cannot decide! All opinions welcome!
The sounds and features are really personal so definitely listen to as many examples as you can and flick through the manuals or watch plenty of videos to work out which fit your needs best. On the flip side, things like build quality and the components are a little more objective and I think Yamaha is better in that regard - every piece of Alesis gear I've owned has either failed within a year or so or has had some low quality issues. Many people report no issues so you might be fine and no company has a zero failure rate (I've had issues with Roland before and even the ride on this Yamaha kit had its flaws). But it's probably something to factor into the considerations.
@TheeDrumWorkshop Thank you for the reply! I'm swayed to the Yamaha for the reasons you mention around build quality. The rack looks great for the rigours of gigging. Plus I'm in the Yamaha ecosystem with my EAD10. Looks like I need to try out mesh vs TCS for the feel. And somehow decide upon which shell finish. I like them both. Thanks again. Love your advice and expertise in your content. As a new e drummer, it's great to have channels like yours. Top work!
Thank you for this amazing in-depth review. My one comment is I feel you gave short shrift to this module's remarkable sample import capabilities. User sample import on the DTXPROX is massively more flexible and powerful than the simple "one-shot" import option on the Roland TD50X and other top-of-the-line units. Being able to create up to 10 layers of velocity switching with up to four round-robins is huge, and 256 MB of 16 bit 44.1k samples should be plenty to future-proof this module sound-wise.
Glad you liked it! I agree that the sample import is more advanced and useful than Roland modules, especially with the number of layers you can use. However, I don't really agree that 256mb is enough for a large number of round robins on multiple instruments. If you built instruments with a few samples on a few layers then you could probably get a decent number out of it, but I have snares that will nearly fill that sample memory. The process for loading large amounts of samples and assigning them is an absolute chore too, so much so that it sucked the interest out of it for me entirely. I'm pretty sure that's what I got across in the review, but it's been a while! If there was some kind of PC/Mac editor, it could be way easier and more flexible, imo.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Thanks in part to your informative review I just picked up one of these modules which I'm going to integrate into an older Yamaha DTX900 based kit with silicon pads. I suppose I'm showing my age with my perspective on the sample memory capacity. Of course more memory would always be better, but I vividly remember struggling to fit drum kits into less than a megabyte of ram on an Akai S900. (We sure didn't have computer editors back then either.). 256 MB is the sample capacity of two loaded Emulator EIVs, or eight of the new Roland SPDSX Pros. That's certainly enough room to create some interesting instruments if care is taken, and the flexibility with regards to velocity layers and round-robins that Yamaha offers here is priceless. If you truly have a single snare drum that nearly uses up that much sample memory I'll respectfully recommend a bit more craftsmanship with regards to use of resources.
Been doing some intense looks at e drums. As an acoustic player for 50 (!) years, I can see e drums as a viable alternative to my Yamaha Absolute Maple for my home studio and (probably) gigs. I've really enjoyed your insightful and no nonsense reviews. If I could ask your advice? I really like Yamaha gear, and the DTX10K-M sounds less processed to my ears than the Roland VAD507 I've also shortlisted. I plan using the kit in my wee project studio to do tracks for my bands. I will probably use VST's for this. I'd also like to play the kit live if I can make the psychological leap / comfort blanket from using an acoustic kit. The live set function would be really useful, the ability to have a click on my in ears, plus inputs allowing me to mix the drums / backing tracks / click with the rest of the band via the desk. SO, my questions if I may... The Roland VAD507 looks heavy. Would I be right in this assumption? The Roland sounds appear really processed. (I'm listening to the video clips on Genelec monitors, and trying to allow for the reduced sound quality on RUclips) I like the sounds F Note are putting on their kits, and it appears to me the Yamaha may be closer sonically than the Roland to that - or am I talking pish? :) I'm not too bothered about an e kit looking as much as possible as an acoustic kit. Obviously I'm trying to swing my opinion to the DTX, which I would probably prefer. Would appreciate some no nonsense Northern opinions from you, or from any of the others on here. Thanks in advance.
I can only comment on the Yamaha sound, as I do have one (DTX8K-X kit), and yes they do sound much more realistic than Roland, and the resolution and fine detail is much higher when actually listening on headphones than on RUclips.
Thank u for the video. This kit is looking very good. But I see 2 small disadvantage for me. This pcy 175 issue and kick drum is not very stable in this video. It is moving. But when I check Ymaha Dtx 8 video kick drum is looking more stable and there is no ride issue. And module is also very simular to this. and approx 1600 usd more cheaper. Do u think that Yamaha dtx 8 kit is good alternative for 3000 usd price range ?
I found out about single cone sensor on toms and severe hotspotting on about 1.5” diameter if you hit it and will break your eardrum. When I dismantle the toms and the snare I notice that the system board are different in a way that it only have 2 mini pin sockets soldered and 3 for the snare. I experimented and use the snare as the tom and immediately notice the hotspotting is almost eliminated. I ordered the part in yamaha a month ago but they are back order and it takes 9 weeks to fill in. I did buy a mint condition XP125SD-M on ebay for half the price but will modify the other two toms. If yamaha mentioned this I would not have bought it. The hotspotting on the toms can be minimized by going to a particular menu under “voice” and limit the “velocity” where it will not make any sound if the velocity cross the threshold while maintaining velocity setting on the trigger menu. I guess yamaha added this velocity setting for this reason, this works for me protecting my eardrum.
Once I'd seated the kick pad properly, it didn't move away from me. It does have some give so it sways a bit, but not in a way which affects performance or moves across the ground.
Great review as always. Seems like a nice kit, but I am a bit bias towards Roland :) and although I have a TD50x Module, I still much prefer using Superior Drummer 3 for my covers. To me, there is no better sound, although the Mimic comes very close of corse :) ....I have a new TD-50K2 Kit, with its TD-50x module and all the Digital elements as standard. Snare, Ride and the new V14 HitHats, so that made it a no brainer for me. And if Im being really picky, the Yamaha modules look like they are from the 70s hehe :)
Thanks again for your videos, getting non biased reviews are a great benefit for those of us who don't have an option to get hands on test before buying!! What software did you use to pull the samples from your VST?
Thank you, glad it helps! For the samples I tried with this module, I actually used my own samples of a snare I recorded. When I do rip samples from VSTs, I use Lustark's SDSE for that! It's a great piece of software.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop I have SDSE and Reaper, do you remember what settings you used? I see there is a Yamaha DTX-multi 12 listed under module, for some reason my dtx pro x wont read the .wav. The yamaha manual is vague on how to go about the process. I checked out Simon E's vids but its unclear on the file size and bit rate.
@@davidanderson3576 The times that I've used SDSE I've been using the 2box settings because that's what I was using it for. The samples that I loaded to the DTX-PROX were 16bit, 44.1kHz stereo .wav files. I can't remember if it's compatible with other file formats, so it might be best to start there.
I already have the Roland TD27KV but when I was in London I called into the large Yamaha store there and tried this kit out. I honestly think the Roland is of better quality module wise and feel with the Roland mesh heads. I was expecting it to be better than it was. Just my opinion.
Bit late to comment on this but I was incredibly set on buying the dtx-8 from a drum store and apon arriving, tested playing the td-27 and then the dtx-10 and honestly thought the exact same thing. I bought neither and settled on the td-50, basically the same kit as the 27 but with a different module which was a little more expensive 😅 but in my opinion 100x times nicer to play than the dtx-10, especially with the cymbals and hi-hat
Very good test Luke...i don,t understand Yamaha...Not many Inputs, the Sounds like the other Modul from Yamaha ...small Display and why input on Bassdrumpad?Wen you change the bassdrum to biggerone maby 18 Bassdrum you lost that input...hope comes a Upgrade on that Modul
Hi Luke, What do you think of the new prices? Dtx10-m now £2600-2700 Dtx8-m £2000 Dtx8-x £2700 I got to try out the dtx8-x + 10m yesterday and was pleasantly surprised with the TCS pads, they felt bloody lovely. Also the Pcy175 had the same choke issue!
These prices are much more enticing, for sure! I think you're getting a lot for the money there compared to other kits available and it turns a good option into a pretty great one. Shame about the PCY-175. I'm not sure why the transition to an extra few inches seems to have made the edge zone work less optimally.
It would be really great if these modules could accommodate an external hard drive with your preferred VST loaded on it and trigger them right from the module…I am sure a skilled electronic tech could design such a module and it would be a great product
@@jwc3104 I am aware of those, they do not utilize an external hard drive where you could use multiple different VST’s or whatever one you wanted. Not just Steven Slate.
the problem with doing that is that a VST is a sound engine + set of samples + mapping of the samples to velocities, and so you'd need to be able to run the VST or you'd have to somehow map up all the samples yourself and have a sound engine that could do the right thing in terms of humanizing.
I suppose to do something like this it would effectively need to be a trigger I/O, an audio interface and compact computer that can run software rolled into one.
I have Superior drummer 3 on an exterior hard drive which I trigger through my computer to Strike pro module. It works pretty good no latency issues, just have to figure out cymbal chokes, but it would be sweet if someone developed an I-pad/module hybrid that you could plug an external hard drive and trigger and change any VST whenever you want.
I use Sony 7506s. They are comfortable and sound true. No excessive bass or highs. Check reviews. I use a Simmons DA200 amp. Very nice. They make alot of different models. Keyboard amps can work too because they can cover the full range of sound that a guitar amp isnt really designed for.
Small clarification. You say that every other aspect of the kit is equal refering to mesh and tcs pad version. This is not true since the snare if the tcs has position sensing and separate rim shot and rims stick function. I know that you mention this at the end but theres a risk that people only listen to the initial statement.😊
You shouldn't have to pay $700 to simply get more user friendly menus. 25 years ago I had a Roland module that had "jump to" shortcut buttons to go to your most used settings. You could set the shortcuts yourself. DTX-Pro has nothing like it. The most basic settings, especially trigger settings, have a ridiculous amount of sub menus to get to the most basic functions.
Most mesh electronic kits are about as noisy as each other, to be honest. Usually the smaller pad kits are a little bit quieter than ones with larger shells but it's not a huge difference and you might not notice outside of the room. The loudest parts for your neighbours are usually the hi-hat and kick drum pedals vibrating through the walls and floor. Isolated pedals like the Roland FD-9 (hi-hat) or KT-10 (kick) are usually a little quieter than full stands and kick drum pads, but minimising vibration through the floor will probably help more.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Unfortunately this is not true. Both the mesh and TCS snare drums are 2-zone. That's why all DTX8 and DTX10 sets have a manual cross stick (after pressing the XStick button). Snare drums with a TCS surface only have positional sensing, which is unfortunately very poor. There are many DTX10K-X and DTX8K-X reviews on the internet where people have to press the XStick button to trigger the cross stick function. Especially on Japanese YT channels. However, it is interesting that the vast majority (if not all) of the photos promoting these Yamaha sets show the DTX PRO and PROX modules in a situation where the manual Xstick function is not visible on the screen :) It's as if they were aware that the lack of automatic cross stick function is a shame in such high prices of these sets - especially DTX10K.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop I had a Roland 27KV2, a Yamaha DTX8K and a DTX10K at home at the same time. Hearing the sound quality of the DTX PRO and DTX PROX modules, I fell in love with them so much that I did everything to disgust myself with the Roland set - to stay with one of the Yamahas. Unfortunately, at this price of DTX8K-M (in my country it is $300 cheaper than 27kv2) and DTX10K-M ($1300 more expensive than 27kv2), if I left Yamaha I would feel screwed. I mean what do you get in the set with Roland (digital large snare, Hi-Hat and Ride). In addition, there is the fact that Roland, despite its more synthetic sounds, is better than Yamaha when playing in a band. I know, it's weird, but unfortunately true. I checked it myself. In addition, having kits from eDW, for example, is even better. Putting these three sets next to each other, even though Roland doesn't have pads that look like real ones, the Yamaha DTX8K looks like a toy next to Roland. The DTX10K looks better than Roland only because of its super massive aluminum'ish stand. The last digression is the fact that (at least on the used equipment market in my country) Roland is much easier to sell than Yamaha. In addition, Roland items command a higher resale price. These are just my personal thoughts, and believe me, I fought with my thoughts for 3 weeks :)
@@h0ld1234Ah you're right! I hadn't spotted that they made the new TCS pads 2 zone only 😢 Their older pads like the XP120SD (now discontinued, it seems) had a split rim as I mentioned in that reply and I believed that to be true of the new pads too. What a shame to find out so much further down the line. I believe that the Xstick button on the screen doesn't show with certain pads connected (reading the manual). So it looks like they've carefully selected the pictures to represent that which is a little sneaky!
@@h0ld1234I have this unit and I tell you that the crosstick and the rimshot will both work withoiut unchecking the crosstick checkbox on the menu if you set it precisely with your playing style.
Once you remove the drum shells, cymbals, brain, kick pedal etc, can the rack be folded for easy transport? What does the rack weigh? How small does it fold up? (Thinking of using this for gigs.)
Hi, I’m a new y in edrums and I want to set my own kit. I purchased a dtx 502 and a Roland snare pdx 12. The will arrive soon. Do you think they will work properly? (Rimshot and cross stick). I appreciate your feedback.
Hi...to your channel..one question if you like...is it possible to add an extra 10" pad on the upper rack so 3 across instead of 2 and 1 extra 12" pad on lower rack ..is there enough room for that...thanks
@@TheeDrumWorkshop But to be totally fair I am big fan of Yamaha and I am sure if they didn’t trigger great as is they would have included the 3 triggers in all the drums. To my ear the kits in the DTXpro sound pretty great in stock form.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Now what Yamaha needs to do is merge these new modules and the EAD10. It would be cool to have the DTXpro and ProX have an input for the EAD mic/trigger.
It still surprises me that they don't leverage that! One argument is that it would be really expensive for the silicone heads to go up to 14" for a snare or floor tom and I guess they wouldn't want a mesh kit to offer a size that the silicone doesn't? Still seems a bit weird to me though, someone would buy it!
I always liked Yamaha cymbals. So good looking, and the all-cymbals-3 zones via one cable approach is brilliant as you said. The rack is indestructible, and the module is built like a tank, while I also like the UX on it, with all the knobs-with-LEDs instead of plain faders. HOWEVER. This amount of machine gunning is unacceptable in the 2020s IMO. It's unbelievable how they didn't think of that, round robin samples is not that new of an invention... Even a Roland TD-07 module machine guns less than this 'flagship' module, which should have solved this much better than this... Sorry, I still cannot fathom why can't someone make a decent edrum kit without main limitations :(
I have an Yamaha and I beg to disagree, I don't have any machine gunning with my kit, with trigger settings done properly. The only issue that translates into what you might call "machine gunning" is (imho) the poorly setup crossfading between samples when hit in short and fast repetition, like in a snare flame. To my ears it sounds like the attack on the most recent samples should be smaller (there should be a cross-fade between the two samples) and that can sound like machine gunning at times, and specially on compressed audio. But the module is great, there is round robin with 4 sames per velocity.
9:14 This is unacceptable for a flagship product and quite a step back from older models. My 12+ year old DTX900 with the cheaper rubber pads provides different articulations for pad center, rimshot and rim only. There's even a designated area on the rim for cross-sticking, making them effectively 3 zone pads.
I can't handle those electronic kits; They don't look the same...they don't even sound the same. I can change heads, and tune my drums in whatever way I choose----and they LOOK Cool!
@@johndef5075 I hear ya---but I only enjoy playing the REAL thing. Next thing they'll design, is a 'Set no bigger than a Dinner plate; Ya' play it with your fingers... No thanks----Old school ALL THE WAY for me, my friend!
do you really not know about this drum rack? It's the Yamaha Hex Rack II and it's the best drum rack on the market... PERIOD. How do you not know this?
I mean what do you expect? Plastic, rubber coated cymbals are the quietest. These are for practising and not disturbing neighbours. If you want metal cymbals get an acoustic kit instead. And yes I'm very happy with my Td50kv. But this looks amazing for £2600.
Every time you make a minor change to a kit, Number one you have to save it and number two it makes a whole new kit in user kits! I absolutely hate this! I have five user kits now of the same original kit! Stupid!
Pretty much any trigger hotspots if you hit directly on top of the piezo cone, ATV included. Very mild though and no centre hotspot which is most important for a lot of people!
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Spot on review! I've been using this kit live for the past three months with decent results, my only complaint is some of the stock cymbal samples are cringe worthy. Importing my samples from SD3 is tedious as you pointed out. I have asked questions about a computer editor being released but I haven't heard anything, this would be a HUGE help in programming this module. Build quality is a little confusing for a "pro" module (all plastic), I take extra care when transporting.
Compared to current electronic guitar & keyboard gear, Electronic drum modules are in my opinion are at least 15 years behind current tech, color displays, drive space & expansions to name a few. Roland & Yamaha need to learn a lesson from companies like Fractal, Neural, Line6 etc.... continue to develop and support the product with updates after release. So far there was one update last December but I'm not holding my breath for anything else.
These new Yamaha modules sound amazing. I honestly wouldn't even want to use a VST with them. I'd love for them to release an updated multipad with these kinds of sounds.
Real drum sounds👍
I LOVE this review Luke. I have watched it 3 times already! Absolutely down to fine points I have not seen in any other videos. FYI I knew the toms were single sensor, don't know how.I knew, might have checked out a PDF of the toms at some point. While it's not mentioned in other reviews, I have heard other people mention it.
Not sure if it's got the architecture for it, but it would be a massive bonus if Yamaha brought out an iOS/Android app for editing like they did with previous DTX modules.
Thanks man! It's a long review to watch multiple times, I appreciate it haha! I absolutely agree that an app could make things much easier, especially when it comes to the multilayered sample side of things!
Yamaha... we need an iOS app for the new DTX-PRO/X Modules!
I have been anxiously waiting for you to review this kit! Thank you so much. So informative!
Thank you 🙏
Thank you for doing real indepth reviews. I'm not aware of any other edrum channels that actually review ro this level of detail.
Thank you 🙏 I'm glad it's appreciated!
That’s a true review 👌🏼 I’ll wait for the updated Yama DTX11 😉
Very good review Luke! As for using other pads.... Ive run into this with a megadrum with pads that are "too hot" for a module. Adding a 100k ohm resistor to the pad or a 100k ohm potentiometer (linear curve) will drastically reduce the pads output and make it way more usable with a module that likes low output pads.
I've been very curious about this kit for a while and I'm considering buying the smaller one for some smaller gigs. They've recently updated this module with some new sounds and features, as well as cleaned up the user interface and apparently is easier to create multilayered instruments as a result.
TCS Pads are very nice.
So the conundrum is....Pearl mimic pro with ATV rack drums and cymbals or the Yamaha with easier knob/slider interface and heavy, big rack. Tough to find a decent gig ready kit that has good sound, quality build and ease of live performance backing tracks and real time user adjustments.
As usual, great in-depth review.
Mimic with TCS pads is a win for me. Though if positional sensing is a deal breaker, ATV. Not a cheap option but It’ll tick all the boxes.
Now they have an editor available, your no longer limited (for want of a better expression) to the core library.
But I do like this Yamaha kit a lot. Their hardware is as good as they get, I like the TCS surface very well, my personal favourite, though I got the XP pads and not the shell version myself. And this pro module, while not perfect, will certainly be a very good gigging kit.
Yep played the TCS pads today at GuitarGuitar Epsom and was very nice feeling!
Good review Luke! I think it's a great kit. I actually like the module sounds, even though they don't exactly sound real, they have a cool, slick Yamaha e-drum sound to them. I think I'd definitely be able to dial in some rad tones with one of these.
Thanks Justin! Yeah, you can definitely create some pretty great sounds with it (far more than I had the time to do for this video!)
looks and sounds fantastic
Very good review. Keep it going! :)
These module sounds, tho. 🔥
Good review! I liked the drum kit.
Good review. I agree w/ the transient heavy comment. I’ve played w/ a Dtx 900 module for years and just got the pro x. I put it though the PA and had to dial back the attack (transient level) quite a bit because it was just too biting compared to the 900.
You really do a great job with these.
Thank you! 🙏
@@TheeDrumWorkshop I hope you get over to a NAMM show, it'd be nice to say hi and shake your hand.
Thanks a ton for mentioning the Audiofront eDRUMin - hadn't heard of it, it's likely to save me a massive amount of cash
That real wood finish is actually the same finish that you find on their Yamaha Tour Custom (Caramel Satin); pretty nice finish, if I do say so myself.
The black one is pretty standard, but very elegant. That's also on their Tour Custom (Licorice Satin).
I think both colours are awesome, but if I had to pick one I'd go with the Caramel colour. It goes out of the standard.
As a side note: Roland needs to bring different colors to their VAD line of drums (the 706 does have color variants, though).
I'd heard that they were finishes that were used on their acoustic kits but it's nice to know the names to match them up! I agree that other variations of the 500 and 300 VAD kits would be nice!
« Real wood » finish come from the Recording Custom finish, who have exactly the same color! (« Caramel » finish from Tour custom don’t have exactly the same color!
That piece of kit looks amazing. Now if they will come out with a foldable version. I will snag one up.
real nice great video ,i still cant get rid of my td 30 i had the td 50 brain but sent it back .TD 30 i had 12 years it the best for me and held up the whole time
You’re famous in Lytham! Who would have thought! Nice to meet you.
It would appear so! 😅 Nice to meet you too!
This is certainly the most detailed review of this kit on RUclips.
How would you say the dtx8k compares in terms of sound, playing feel and value to a vad306 or td27kv considering they cost about the same?
I can't really make any firm conclusions on the DTX8K kits as I've not used them (or the DTX-PRO module) outside of a very quick test at the UK Drum Show.
If I make a guess based on my experience with the 10K, I'd imagine the 8K should be pretty competitive with the Roland kits if you like the sound set and features that the PRO module offers, though I do think that the 27's digital pads out-perform the Yamaha 12" snare and 17" ride overall.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop It seems to me that Roland is on another level with their digital pads. I`ve got all three and there`s nothing else on the market that can rival the precision and consistency of the Roland digital pads. (Even the new (analog) super-thin 16"/14" crashes are another great "real-feel-level-up".) What about a "best e-hi-hat"-episode with the best from all brands? Or known brands, at least:) The electric hi-hat is in my opinion the most important AND difficult trigger to make (with the nature of a hh with all its expressions/sounds) Would love to see you do a video on it! Spoiler alert: the vh-14d`s will win....an absolute gamechanger that there should be more fuzz about, seems unbeatable combined with SD3.
BTW! : Great channel, dude! looking forward to every episode. This is by far the best e-drum channel on youtube:) Greetings from Norway:)
Brilliant in depth review. Well done!
Thank you 🙏
Super video. Love your channel. I own an Alesis Crimson 2 SE. I want to upgrade to either the Alesis Strike Pro or this Yamaha DTX10. I cannot decide! All opinions welcome!
The sounds and features are really personal so definitely listen to as many examples as you can and flick through the manuals or watch plenty of videos to work out which fit your needs best. On the flip side, things like build quality and the components are a little more objective and I think Yamaha is better in that regard - every piece of Alesis gear I've owned has either failed within a year or so or has had some low quality issues. Many people report no issues so you might be fine and no company has a zero failure rate (I've had issues with Roland before and even the ride on this Yamaha kit had its flaws). But it's probably something to factor into the considerations.
@TheeDrumWorkshop Thank you for the reply! I'm swayed to the Yamaha for the reasons you mention around build quality. The rack looks great for the rigours of gigging. Plus I'm in the Yamaha ecosystem with my EAD10. Looks like I need to try out mesh vs TCS for the feel. And somehow decide upon which shell finish. I like them both. Thanks again. Love your advice and expertise in your content. As a new e drummer, it's great to have channels like yours. Top work!
Thank you for this amazing in-depth review. My one comment is I feel you gave short shrift to this module's remarkable sample import capabilities. User sample import on the DTXPROX is massively more flexible and powerful than the simple "one-shot" import option on the Roland TD50X and other top-of-the-line units. Being able to create up to 10 layers of velocity switching with up to four round-robins is huge, and 256 MB of 16 bit 44.1k samples should be plenty to future-proof this module sound-wise.
Glad you liked it! I agree that the sample import is more advanced and useful than Roland modules, especially with the number of layers you can use. However, I don't really agree that 256mb is enough for a large number of round robins on multiple instruments. If you built instruments with a few samples on a few layers then you could probably get a decent number out of it, but I have snares that will nearly fill that sample memory.
The process for loading large amounts of samples and assigning them is an absolute chore too, so much so that it sucked the interest out of it for me entirely. I'm pretty sure that's what I got across in the review, but it's been a while! If there was some kind of PC/Mac editor, it could be way easier and more flexible, imo.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Thanks in part to your informative review I just picked up one of these modules which I'm going to integrate into an older Yamaha DTX900 based kit with silicon pads. I suppose I'm showing my age with my perspective on the sample memory capacity. Of course more memory would always be better, but I vividly remember struggling to fit drum kits into less than a megabyte of ram on an Akai S900. (We sure didn't have computer editors back then either.). 256 MB is the sample capacity of two loaded Emulator EIVs, or eight of the new Roland SPDSX Pros. That's certainly enough room to create some interesting instruments if care is taken, and the flexibility with regards to velocity layers and round-robins that Yamaha offers here is priceless.
If you truly have a single snare drum that nearly uses up that much sample memory I'll respectfully recommend a bit more craftsmanship with regards to use of resources.
Been doing some intense looks at e drums. As an acoustic player for 50 (!) years, I can see e drums as a viable alternative to my Yamaha Absolute Maple for my home studio and (probably) gigs. I've really enjoyed your insightful and no nonsense reviews. If I could ask your advice? I really like Yamaha gear, and the DTX10K-M sounds less processed to my ears than the Roland VAD507 I've also shortlisted. I plan using the kit in my wee project studio to do tracks for my bands. I will probably use VST's for this. I'd also like to play the kit live if I can make the psychological leap / comfort blanket from using an acoustic kit. The live set function would be really useful, the ability to have a click on my in ears, plus inputs allowing me to mix the drums / backing tracks / click with the rest of the band via the desk. SO, my questions if I may...
The Roland VAD507 looks heavy. Would I be right in this assumption?
The Roland sounds appear really processed. (I'm listening to the video clips on Genelec monitors, and trying to allow for the reduced sound quality on RUclips) I like the sounds F Note are putting on their kits, and it appears to me the Yamaha may be closer sonically than the Roland to that - or am I talking pish? :)
I'm not too bothered about an e kit looking as much as possible as an acoustic kit.
Obviously I'm trying to swing my opinion to the DTX, which I would probably prefer. Would appreciate some no nonsense Northern opinions from you, or from any of the others on here. Thanks in advance.
I can only comment on the Yamaha sound, as I do have one (DTX8K-X kit), and yes they do sound much more realistic than Roland, and the resolution and fine detail is much higher when actually listening on headphones than on RUclips.
Thank u for the video. This kit is looking very good. But I see 2 small disadvantage for me. This pcy 175 issue and kick drum is not very stable in this video. It is moving. But when I check Ymaha Dtx 8 video kick drum is looking more stable and there is no ride issue. And module is also very simular to this. and approx 1600 usd more cheaper. Do u think that Yamaha dtx 8 kit is good alternative for 3000 usd price range ?
I found out about single cone sensor on toms and severe hotspotting on about 1.5” diameter if you hit it and will break your eardrum. When I dismantle the toms and the snare I notice that the system board are different in a way that it only have 2 mini pin sockets soldered and 3 for the snare. I experimented and use the snare as the tom and immediately notice the hotspotting is almost eliminated. I ordered the part in yamaha a month ago but they are back order and it takes 9 weeks to fill in. I did buy a mint condition XP125SD-M on ebay for half the price but will modify the other two toms. If yamaha mentioned this I would not have bought it. The hotspotting on the toms can be minimized by going to a particular menu under “voice” and limit the “velocity” where it will not make any sound if the velocity cross the threshold while maintaining velocity setting on the trigger menu. I guess yamaha added this velocity setting for this reason, this works for me protecting my eardrum.
Wow look at that kick pad moving!!!😗😗
Once I'd seated the kick pad properly, it didn't move away from me. It does have some give so it sways a bit, but not in a way which affects performance or moves across the ground.
Great review as always. Seems like a nice kit, but I am a bit bias towards Roland :) and although I have a TD50x Module, I still much prefer using Superior Drummer 3 for my covers. To me, there is no better sound, although the Mimic comes very close of corse :) ....I have a new TD-50K2 Kit, with its TD-50x module and all the Digital elements as standard. Snare, Ride and the new V14 HitHats, so that made it a no brainer for me. And if Im being really picky, the Yamaha modules look like they are from the 70s hehe :)
Fair enough, it's not for everyone! They all have their strengths. Not sure that Roland modules look much more modern than Yamaha ones though 😅
Korek!!! Lol
Thanks again for your videos, getting non biased reviews are a great benefit for those of us who don't have an option to get hands on test before buying!! What software did you use to pull the samples from your VST?
Thank you, glad it helps! For the samples I tried with this module, I actually used my own samples of a snare I recorded. When I do rip samples from VSTs, I use Lustark's SDSE for that! It's a great piece of software.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop I have SDSE and Reaper, do you remember what settings you used? I see there is a Yamaha DTX-multi 12 listed under module, for some reason my dtx pro x wont read the .wav. The yamaha manual is vague on how to go about the process. I checked out Simon E's vids but its unclear on the file size and bit rate.
@@davidanderson3576 The times that I've used SDSE I've been using the 2box settings because that's what I was using it for. The samples that I loaded to the DTX-PROX were 16bit, 44.1kHz stereo .wav files. I can't remember if it's compatible with other file formats, so it might be best to start there.
I already have the Roland TD27KV but when I was in London I called into the large Yamaha store there and tried this kit out. I honestly think the Roland is of better quality module wise and feel with the Roland mesh heads. I was expecting it to be better than it was. Just my opinion.
Bit late to comment on this but I was incredibly set on buying the dtx-8 from a drum store and apon arriving, tested playing the td-27 and then the dtx-10 and honestly thought the exact same thing. I bought neither and settled on the td-50, basically the same kit as the 27 but with a different module which was a little more expensive 😅 but in my opinion 100x times nicer to play than the dtx-10, especially with the cymbals and hi-hat
very insightful. Especially at feel, pads, & triggering section.
can you do the DTX6 series as well?
Thank you! 🙏 If Yamaha send one over, or if I end up getting hold of one for any other reason, I'd be happy to.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Thank you. Really appreciate it.
Interesting review anyway👍
Can this module be use with superior drummer?
Can u review.. Lemon T-950... Update one
Very good test Luke...i don,t understand Yamaha...Not many Inputs, the Sounds like the other Modul from Yamaha ...small Display and why input on Bassdrumpad?Wen you change the bassdrum to biggerone maby 18 Bassdrum you lost that input...hope comes a Upgrade on that Modul
Hi Luke,
What do you think of the new prices?
Dtx10-m now £2600-2700
Dtx8-m £2000
Dtx8-x £2700
I got to try out the dtx8-x + 10m yesterday and was pleasantly surprised with the TCS pads, they felt bloody lovely. Also the Pcy175 had the same choke issue!
These prices are much more enticing, for sure! I think you're getting a lot for the money there compared to other kits available and it turns a good option into a pretty great one.
Shame about the PCY-175. I'm not sure why the transition to an extra few inches seems to have made the edge zone work less optimally.
It would be really great if these modules could accommodate an external hard drive with your preferred VST loaded on it and trigger them right from the module…I am sure a skilled electronic tech could design such a module and it would be a great product
Such drum module exists.. Called Pearl MiMic Pro with 120gb SSD loaded with VST.
@@jwc3104 I am aware of those, they do not utilize an external hard drive where you could use multiple different VST’s or whatever one you wanted. Not just Steven Slate.
the problem with doing that is that a VST is a sound engine + set of samples + mapping of the samples to velocities, and so you'd need to be able to run the VST or you'd have to somehow map up all the samples yourself and have a sound engine that could do the right thing in terms of humanizing.
I suppose to do something like this it would effectively need to be a trigger I/O, an audio interface and compact computer that can run software rolled into one.
I have Superior drummer 3 on an exterior hard drive which I trigger through my computer to Strike pro module. It works pretty good no latency issues, just have to figure out cymbal chokes, but it would be sweet if someone developed an I-pad/module hybrid that you could plug an external hard drive and trigger and change any VST whenever you want.
Hi excellent video ! what would you say is the best e drum monitor for this kind of drumkit,and headphones?maybe you had a video topi here ;)
I use Sony 7506s. They are comfortable and sound true. No excessive bass or highs. Check reviews.
I use a Simmons DA200 amp. Very nice. They make alot of different models. Keyboard amps can work too because they can cover the full range of sound that a guitar amp isnt really designed for.
4.20 black velvet ?
Small clarification. You say that every other aspect of the kit is equal refering to mesh and tcs pad version. This is not true since the snare if the tcs has position sensing and separate rim shot and rims stick function. I know that you mention this at the end but theres a risk that people only listen to the initial statement.😊
The Pro is harder to get around in than the ProX. There is a menu inside a menu inside a menu.
You shouldn't have to pay $700 to simply get more user friendly menus. 25 years ago I had a Roland module that had "jump to" shortcut buttons to go to your most used settings. You could set the shortcuts yourself. DTX-Pro has nothing like it. The most basic settings, especially trigger settings, have a ridiculous amount of sub menus to get to the most basic functions.
Roland all the way
Nice set... But i will buy gewa g9...
Hello
What is the less noisy e drum set you have tried?
Most mesh electronic kits are about as noisy as each other, to be honest. Usually the smaller pad kits are a little bit quieter than ones with larger shells but it's not a huge difference and you might not notice outside of the room. The loudest parts for your neighbours are usually the hi-hat and kick drum pedals vibrating through the walls and floor. Isolated pedals like the Roland FD-9 (hi-hat) or KT-10 (kick) are usually a little quieter than full stands and kick drum pads, but minimising vibration through the floor will probably help more.
wait, the TCS pad snare allow for seamless transition in to a crossstick and rim shot? Are you sure about that?
I believe the TCS snare pads have 3 dedicated zones - head, cross-stick and rimshot. The rim is effectively split in half for each articulation.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Unfortunately this is not true. Both the mesh and TCS snare drums are 2-zone. That's why all DTX8 and DTX10 sets have a manual cross stick (after pressing the XStick button). Snare drums with a TCS surface only have positional sensing, which is unfortunately very poor. There are many DTX10K-X and DTX8K-X reviews on the internet where people have to press the XStick button to trigger the cross stick function. Especially on Japanese YT channels.
However, it is interesting that the vast majority (if not all) of the photos promoting these Yamaha sets show the DTX PRO and PROX modules in a situation where the manual Xstick function is not visible on the screen :) It's as if they were aware that the lack of automatic cross stick function is a shame in such high prices of these sets - especially DTX10K.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop I had a Roland 27KV2, a Yamaha DTX8K and a DTX10K at home at the same time. Hearing the sound quality of the DTX PRO and DTX PROX modules, I fell in love with them so much that I did everything to disgust myself with the Roland set - to stay with one of the Yamahas. Unfortunately, at this price of DTX8K-M (in my country it is $300 cheaper than 27kv2) and DTX10K-M ($1300 more expensive than 27kv2), if I left Yamaha I would feel screwed. I mean what do you get in the set with Roland (digital large snare, Hi-Hat and Ride). In addition, there is the fact that Roland, despite its more synthetic sounds, is better than Yamaha when playing in a band. I know, it's weird, but unfortunately true. I checked it myself. In addition, having kits from eDW, for example, is even better.
Putting these three sets next to each other, even though Roland doesn't have pads that look like real ones, the Yamaha DTX8K looks like a toy next to Roland. The DTX10K looks better than Roland only because of its super massive aluminum'ish stand.
The last digression is the fact that (at least on the used equipment market in my country) Roland is much easier to sell than Yamaha. In addition, Roland items command a higher resale price.
These are just my personal thoughts, and believe me, I fought with my thoughts for 3 weeks :)
@@h0ld1234Ah you're right! I hadn't spotted that they made the new TCS pads 2 zone only 😢 Their older pads like the XP120SD (now discontinued, it seems) had a split rim as I mentioned in that reply and I believed that to be true of the new pads too. What a shame to find out so much further down the line.
I believe that the Xstick button on the screen doesn't show with certain pads connected (reading the manual). So it looks like they've carefully selected the pictures to represent that which is a little sneaky!
@@h0ld1234I have this unit and I tell you that the crosstick and the rimshot will both work withoiut unchecking the crosstick checkbox on the menu if you set it precisely with your playing style.
As the samples on the ATV ad5 are real samples uncompressed and raw can we have a video on how good they sound and how to best mix them quickly?
I no longer own an aD5 module so that's not something I can really do, sorry!
Once you remove the drum shells, cymbals, brain, kick pedal etc, can the rack be folded for easy transport? What does the rack weigh? How small does it fold up? (Thinking of using this for gigs.)
yes you can fold it
Hi, I’m a new y in edrums and I want to set my own kit. I purchased a dtx 502 and a Roland snare pdx 12. The will arrive soon. Do you think they will work properly? (Rimshot and cross stick). I appreciate your feedback.
they wont work, yamaha does not cross change with roland pads
Hi...to your channel..one question if you like...is it possible to add an extra 10" pad on the upper rack so 3 across instead of 2 and 1 extra 12" pad on lower rack ..is there enough room for that...thanks
Funny how everyone else glossed over the floor tom now having the 3 trigger design.
Yeah, I had to check with them as I was surprised I hadn't heard anything about it before I got the kit.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop But to be totally fair I am big fan of Yamaha and I am sure if they didn’t trigger great as is they would have included the 3 triggers in all the drums. To my ear the kits in the DTXpro sound pretty great in stock form.
Oh yeah, they absolutely trigger fine! I've rarely had issues with side triggers.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Now what Yamaha needs to do is merge these new modules and the EAD10. It would be cool to have the DTXpro and ProX have an input for the EAD mic/trigger.
Yamaha make full size acoustic drums .. why aren’t they used on E kits ?!?
It still surprises me that they don't leverage that! One argument is that it would be really expensive for the silicone heads to go up to 14" for a snare or floor tom and I guess they wouldn't want a mesh kit to offer a size that the silicone doesn't? Still seems a bit weird to me though, someone would buy it!
do you know where you can get the Zouman 2 into 1 cable adapter I can't seem to find them?
zourman.com/product/roland-atv-3-zone-ride-conversion-cable-for-yamaha-3-zone-connection/
😃
I always liked Yamaha cymbals. So good looking, and the all-cymbals-3 zones via one cable approach is brilliant as you said. The rack is indestructible, and the module is built like a tank, while I also like the UX on it, with all the knobs-with-LEDs instead of plain faders.
HOWEVER. This amount of machine gunning is unacceptable in the 2020s IMO. It's unbelievable how they didn't think of that, round robin samples is not that new of an invention... Even a Roland TD-07 module machine guns less than this 'flagship' module, which should have solved this much better than this... Sorry, I still cannot fathom why can't someone make a decent edrum kit without main limitations :(
I have an Yamaha and I beg to disagree, I don't have any machine gunning with my kit, with trigger settings done properly.
The only issue that translates into what you might call "machine gunning" is (imho) the poorly setup crossfading between samples when hit in short and fast repetition, like in a snare flame. To my ears it sounds like the attack on the most recent samples should be smaller (there should be a cross-fade between the two samples) and that can sound like machine gunning at times, and specially on compressed audio.
But the module is great, there is round robin with 4 sames per velocity.
9:14 This is unacceptable for a flagship product and quite a step back from older models. My 12+ year old DTX900 with the cheaper rubber pads provides different articulations for pad center, rimshot and rim only. There's even a designated area on the rim for cross-sticking, making them effectively 3 zone pads.
Good god
So... The sound module of yamaha with another snare, tom pads with better trigger system brand.
I can't handle those electronic kits; They don't look the same...they
don't even sound the same. I can change heads, and tune my drums
in whatever way I choose----and they LOOK Cool!
Different tools.for different jobs, though with a fair amount of cross-over. They're not for everyone!
But can you play them at 1am? Noise is a big factor for most buyers. I have acoustics also, but edrums are alot of fun.
@@johndef5075 I hear ya---but I only enjoy playing the REAL thing.
Next thing they'll design, is a 'Set no bigger than a Dinner plate;
Ya' play it with your fingers...
No thanks----Old school ALL THE WAY for me, my friend!
They've existed for some time 😅
@@TheeDrumWorkshop I should've known!
I think pearl mimic pro sounds better
I wish some reviews would play soft...way too hard hitting all the time...
do you really not know about this drum rack? It's the Yamaha Hex Rack II and it's the best drum rack on the market... PERIOD. How do you not know this?
なぜこういう解説動画が日本語で出ないのだろう？
wow. this is what you get when a roland fan review other brands' products
Interesting. Care to expand?
i really dont like the look of this cymbals
me either :)
Small pads, ugly plastic cymbals. The drums sound good. Good review.
OK boomer
@@daveseemerollin6357 so long as your happy.
I mean what do you expect?
Plastic, rubber coated cymbals are the quietest. These are for practising and not disturbing neighbours.
If you want metal cymbals get an acoustic kit instead.
And yes I'm very happy with my Td50kv. But this looks amazing for £2600.
To be honest.. I find the yamaha to not sound that good..
That's fair!
Every time you make a minor change to a kit, Number one you have to save it and number two it makes a whole new kit in user kits! I absolutely hate this! I have five user kits now of the same original kit! Stupid!
It's certainly awkward! I can only imagine there must be some weird hardware reason for it, otherwise I have no idea why it hasn't been changed!
Just save over the original kit... no need to have multiple versions if you do not want them.
ATV toms don't hotspot
Pretty much any trigger hotspots if you hit directly on top of the piezo cone, ATV included. Very mild though and no centre hotspot which is most important for a lot of people!
Made in China.
If only artesia would send you an efnote kit 🥲
Fingers crossed!