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The red color on the new model3 is probably the nicest one you can buy, for sure.
There is a maximum gross weight for big rigs in the USA of 82,000 lbs for electric rigs. But here in California we do have some max weight roads where you can't exceed 70,000 lbs. This truck may have used the lower weight to access certain roads it couldn't otherwise.
why deliveries dropped 20%
@@francismarion6400 I don't know. Just commenting on why they may not fully load their trucks in California.
We see these trucks going down interstate 5, but they short haul delivery units . I've have also seen them broken down on the side of the freeway. What's funny is they always send a Diesel truck for the repairs or to tow it back.
What other option is there to tow a big truck? They are short haul, that's why they only make the day haul cab at the moment.
Broken down! 😂 Elon Musk said they wouldn't brake down for a 1,000,000 miles. Elon is such a joke.
As a lifelong breather of diesel fumes and hearing jake brakes any hour of the day electric semis cant come soon enough! Better performance and cheaper to operate, love it!
Diesel is very bad. Fire departments have automatic disconnects on the exhaust.
NO!! TESLA SUPERCHARGERS ARE EQUIVALENT TO $6 PER GALLON GAS. SO NO, THEY ARE NOT CHEAPER TO OPERATE. ELON HIMSELF SAID THAT.
@@markmiller8903 But electric drivetrain is at a minimum 50% more efficient than ICE so thats why they are better.
Your videos are top notch. Congrats Mr. Electronic Viking.
Glad you like them!
The new Tesla ultrared is almost the same as Buick did in 1953…. Beautiful
The old Buick faded to silver …day by day 😂
Great to see Tesla using its Electric Trucks to deliver cars. I would love to see a ramp in Semi production but I guess this needs a ramp in 4680 cells??? Would be great to see Tesla Factories being run on their own energy??
Maybe, but unicorn farts a d rainbow flags do not usable energy make. And ALL Tesla properties are hooked up to the grid, which tells you all you need to know about where their energy ACTUALLY comes from.
HINT: it's NOT from smoke and mirrors solar panels.
Yes, their Nevada giga factory
All Tesla's service vehicles are gas or diesel powered.
It would be nice if they were all Electric powered .
Maybe that can happen now that they have a truck, the CyberTruck.
@@icosthop9998 If the SEMI isn't up to it, what makes you think the DOORSTOP is?
@@larryc1616 Nope. Look again. That's a multiple megawatt connection to the Nevada power grid. And it's one way...INTO the factory.
Love the red, as long as it is not too bright. It’s a beautiful colour and scientifically shown to make the car go faster (wink wink)
LOL
thanks Viking for all the great content today!
Glad you enjoy it!
Tesla has opted to build a new and separate building on the same site in Nevada.
Extreme weather: The melting glaciers, weirdly warm oceans, they’re all the product of global warming, which is being driven by the release of the three most important heat-trapping gases: carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide. According to a new study from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, emissions of those three greenhouse gases continued to surge last year to historic highs. Global average carbon dioxide concentrations jumped last year, “extending the highest sustained rate of CO2 increases” in NOAA’s 65 years of record-keeping. Methane and nitrous oxide levels also rose sharply last year. By analyzing more than 15,000 air samples from around the world, NOAA found that the upticks in emissions last year “were in line with the steep increases observed during the past decade.”
most co2 comes from termites.
better let the bugs know they need to go electric.
CO2 makes up 0.042% of the atmosphere; That is 420 parts per million; 420/1,000,000. If I multiply that by 10x, it is still not even half of 1% at 0.42%. How much heat do you think it is going to trap? CO2 has such a magical ability to trap heat, yet no one is using it for this?
@@shadowcaster111oh dear
The globe warmed 0.1 degrees celcius between 2000 and 2020. The majority of earth's history did not have polar ice caps.
We bought Deep Blue Metallic. We love it.! 🇨🇦
I too had to have Deep Blue.
Congrats !
It is a beautiful color, I love seeing them on the road !
A computer on wheels. 🤡
@@MrJamiez So what? modern ICE cars is also a computer on wheels.
@@Just_a_random_birb software fails all the time & bugs happen in software causing issues. You can't make this stuff up.
I’m hoping when the Model 2 comes out it will be available in this red and white interior.
Ummmm, there is no TESLA named model 2.
its FAKE NEWS.
Tesla is making the NEXT Gen vehicle(s) at GigaTexas.
I suspect the reason Tesla is transporting 5 cars at a time rather than the usual 8 is because they are not transporting them to a single location such as a dealer's lot as with legacy auto companies or one of their own distribution centers or a transportation hub (railroad, ship).
They are transporting these to customers in residential neighborhoods and unloading them one at a time while engaging with customers and then traveling a presumably significant distance to the next customers (there is no reason to expect that five different customers taking delivery of a new Tesla on the same day will live particularly close to each other, this is not a postal route).
As such they presumably determined that transporting five at a time worked best for this task. The convenience of a smaller size and possible speed of unloading might have also been a factor.
Finally it seemed to me that the fifth car was loaded on a separable one level trailer which would give them the option of transporting 4, 5 or even 6 cars (double decker third trailer) depending on the total distance to be traveled to deliver that many cars.
Too much weight for bridges.
Tesla semis transport cars Directly to TESLA service Centers , that Double as Delivery centers & have Superchargers on sight.
Soon the cars will deliver themselves.
Sam, I ordered a new Red Model 3. I had a nice blue car in the past and was in a bad accident. The other driver did not see me. Someone pointed out that Yellow and Red are the best at being seen at dusk.
I would argue that white has the best visibility
I would argue that white has the best visibility
There's been a fair bit of research on the safety of different vehicle colours and the general consensus seems to be use of daytime running lights is the best way to improve visibility. The colour doesn't matter so much. Europe mandates always on DRLs in new vehicles.
@@lmb4876 I agree, I've got a Blizzard Pearl Model 3. The only time I worry a bit is during a snowstorm here in WI. But we didn't get much this past season anyway😅.
There’s no apostrophe in “Semis” btw. Love the videos! Thanks
Lots of grade schoolers in many places are appalled at the writing level of many internet contributors, and especially commenters re RUclips pieces, lots of articles, etc.
Modern education levels are often frightening in this "information age". Meanwhile, flat earthers are hard at their nonsense, even as we had an impressive solar eclipse across North America yesterday. I watched it between clouds with awesome, safe glasses.
A VASTLY better experience than the box pinhole cameras used when we were kids in roughly 1970.
"Red cars are bad luck".....quote from a movie (Used Cars) in 1980.
Candy apple red, no thank you. Save enough money on fuel to pay for the Tesla semi in one year... all semi owners will jump on the Tesla semi as soon as they can. Great overall report Sam.
I like red cars! Also blue, and pretty much any bold color.
Bloody great cheers mate
The transition to E-semis can't happen fast enough. The operating cost savings would be hard to ignore by all operators, independents and corporate. so should hasten the adoption.
Japan has the best Metallic reds eg Mazda. I'd get the Metallic red on something like a Lexus LC500 and the more regular Ferrari style red on other sports cars like the new Lotus Emira. The two cars and colors I've been considering ordering in the coming year (with red interiors).
Outside of that I like white, like my current Subaru BRZ. Not quite orange or red, but my car prior to the BRZ was a Holden Monaro in the flame color which was an amazing redy orange. I nick named it the 'flying Jaffa' after the confectionery due to its flame outside and orange / black inside.
I'm highly disappointed that the Tesla semi delivery event was multiple years ago yet they are still not for sale. Hell Pepsi still doesn't even have the 100 that they ordered. This is quite ridiculous and highly frustrating as a Tesla investor
Probably still working.
Out the kinks.
Things are always longer than what Elon says for things to come about.
I forgot what year Elon said the CyberTruck would be released to the public, but I think it is like at least two years beyond what he predicted.
*_"But Tesla eventually gets there"_* 👌
I think he said like 3 years ago *"FSD"* would be here, but it is not.
What is the recently resleased "Beta" now ❔️
there is a drone video showing them building the factory for the semi.
Ummmm, the FACTORY is still under Construction.
Meanwhile , TESLA continues making UPGRADES & Improvements in its PILOT line in Nevada.
uh oh the naysayers will call horse shite but I'm loving the innovation
You should mention, what range can you get from fully loaded Semi or even Cybertruck. While no data is available for Semi, Cybertuck numbers are disastrous.
Red is not that bad. I had ordered the new model 3 in Stealth Gray and white interior but they have delivered 0 white interiors in the US. Wifey loves the red and I at least have a new model 3.
Get rid of the white interior. All black gotta be the choice atleast on the inside of the car.
Red cars can go faster.
Everyone knows that.
@@andreasl4507 I will never buy a car with a black interior
been there and its way too hot
@@shadowcaster111 just put on AC. Black interior look the best and it doesn’t get that hot. Last summer was Spain 3 months was about 40° even more some days. Just ac on and it really isn’t that bad. Not a big difference at all
I think the Tesla Semi is genius for a lot of reasons but the number one reason is the steering wheel in the center. It can be a right hand drive country or left hand drive country it's irrelevant with the steering in the middle. World here they come!
White is best colour for touching up those inevitable stone chips.
I think Elon said a year or two ago that battery demand was essentially infinite. There are a lot of little supporting details for that.
I like my RED model 3 :)
Red is the best colour…but Silver may be better
While I'm at it, Tesla's adoption of 'steer-by-wire' is going to change global EV production "immensely". That one change removes so many barriers to right-hand/left-hand parts/time/costs. IT IS HUGE, and will be standard in 2030; "the best part is no part" was never so true. Dynamic wheel performance is how AI will eventually coordinate the wheels and the road, with "feedback diagnostics" that increase safety and performance. Smart cars should have smart wheels(...?) The production of electronic 'steering-actuators' will be another challenge for every vehicle manufacturer(...$)
With the U.S. leading the world in LNG exports, I think CNG injection in diesels could be the future. Having the secondary CNG tank is a cost and ongoing service requirement, but natural gas significantly reduces emissions and adds power - reducing maintenance of DPF systems. The additional costs of a NG hybrid diesel is much lower than that of batteries. Natural gas is widely used on stationary industrial diesels. The natural gas infrastructure in the U.S. is very good. Straight NG can also be used in engines derived from diesels.
Natural gas is somewhat renewable as it is created within the earth. A large amount of NG is still vented into the atmosphere and flared off because its too cheap to support building the pipelines or local storage tanks.
The U.S. has no major rival in LNG exports. The NG industry is utilizing an energy source that is often wasted around the world. This is an area where U.S. technical leadership can make the world a better place using an abundant clean burning fuel.
Electrick class 8 trucks have their place in local shipping. They could reduce emissions in congested cities. But in long haul, some diesels get 8 mpg hauling as much as 80,000 pounds without needing to refuel for a 1,000 miles. FMCSA rules require a 30 minute break every day, then they can be back on the road. Truckers absolutely hate unplanned delays because drivers are almost always paid by the mile. Charging batteries on long haul would cause drivers to quit. There is a window for electric trucks in local trucking. If batteries advance to permit the same type of range as diesel, then there is hope for long haul electric - but shipping is extremely cost sensitive. A maintenance free electric truck would be popular, not if it costs $500,000.
Many owner operator independent contractor truckers still use pre-emissions 1990s trucks that they do 80 percent of the service themselves. Some have 4 million miles on the chassis. A driver typically does about 1 million miles every 8 years.
The pre-emissions trucks can be very low maintenance compared to newer trucks. Caterpiĺlar built some of the finest class 8 diesels, but stopped after 2006 because the DPF system was a maintenance nightmare. Have you seen a DPF equipped truck do a regen ? Blows thick black smoke.
CNG may become widely used in class 8 trucks. There might even be a place for diesel-electric hybrids
No rational person proposes an expansion in the use of LNG
Only one problem. Burning methane is okay but the world wide extraction and shipping of it leaks alot. Methane is a very potent greenhouse gas. "Natural" gas is anything but. And fracking is another story. There are diesel electric semis already, Edison motors. Electric BEV class 8 with onboard diesel generator which could easily be re-tasked to run on methane.
Are you kidding? Ultra Red is far and away the best colour to specify for your Highland. And the design cues of the Roadster 2.0 front end have been carried across to the Highland. And what colour do you always see the Roadster in? QED.
If only I could post a pic of mine here...
Tesla needs a Green of some sort
I wouldn’t own a red car except the special red color by Tesla
A red Wualing Mini … my dream 😢
I saw a Tesla Semi-truck a couple of weeks ago on highway 99. Very exciting.
i see them all the time on i5
Prove it or it didn't happen
@@MrJamiez Shut up, i saw 2 semi too.
@@Just_a_random_birb prove it or it didn't happen
@@MrJamiez HOW DO I FRICKIN PROVE IT?
Red is a safety color as well as white.
Actually I was told white is the worst. All cars should have running lights.
It would be deeply unwise of Tesla to run its semi fleet as a commercial freight carrier even if its exclusively for its own product "Private Carrier" .. Tesla pockets are simply two deep any incident would draw legions of lawyers, there are always incidents and the costs can be astronomically high.. It often doesn't really matter who's fault the deepest pockets end up paying most that's just the way it is..
If I where Tesla I would set up a subsidiary corporations to compartmentalize liability exposure in transportation to about 20 million per company this is the sweat spot..
I wait for FSD directly from factory to customer!
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Last I heard they were charging at 750 peak, and updates should enable 1Meg sometime. Maybe they hit that already.
I ask myself why nobody uses the batteries from the EVs for electric shipping. If the thousands of cars on a ship can be connected this must be far enough for the trip China-Europe / America. Of course the way back must be used as usual diesel. Bi directional charging offers so many Advantages
There is a channel covering giga Nevada updates via drone. It can give you more info on situation on the production
Video about Semi capability 4:39 turns into discussion of paint jobs on the cargo. Why do they only have 5 on board...gee maybe the same reason it's primary job is carrying half length trailers of potato chips.
I love my red MYP. Everything goes faster with red paint. 😂😅😊
Watch out. The cops see red too.
❤Tesla ⚡️🇺🇸
this is great news because no fossil fuels are being used to deliver Tesla cars to the owners of the tesla
Only 200,000 semis sold each year in the US. On the other hand with ne EPA rules will phase out ICE semis so sales could be 1 million semis per year or more
That's because they can last at least 10 years and millions of miles without replacing anything major. No Tesla semi is going to do that, especially superdupermegacharging all the time.
@@billcichoke2534 semis need tons of maintenence lol. ev semi is way cheaper and you just swap out the battery pack and small ev motors as needed
@@MinusEighty MAINTENANCE versus FAILYRES AND REPLACING COMPONENTS. Any supposed savings from nit using ICE or oetrofuels are out the window the first time EITHER motor(s) or the battery pack need to be replaced.
@@billcichoke2534 wrong. ice semi need tons of work to go a million miles.the transmission for example only lasts 200,000 miles. 7k every time.
@@billcichoke2534 35k in transmission replacements to go 1 million miles in an ice semi
agree. red is impossible to.maintain and expensive to.repair
I thought the Tesla semi started delivering vehicles to customers and parts between Nevada / Fremont a couple of years ago? There have been plenty of relevant pics on Reddit.
If they were smart, they could design the cars to provide battery power to the semi and extend the range by several hundred miles
I don’t think the semis are battery constrained….they’re kinda still in beta/ prototype while the full production facility is still under construction
They are also charging constrained. So far I have no heard of a charger open to the public for a Tesla semi.
If the new batteries allow 350 kW charging constantly they are already much faster to charge even on the existing chargers.
Why did I have to pay a delivery cost when I picked it up at the factory ?
Great, San Francisco has clean air. Watch where you step. My theory is people have begun getting tired of stepping around human feces and have permanently left the city. I still love Tesla products but can’t attribute them for cleaner air in SF. Maybe a different city, just not SF.
You think trucks made by Tesla are saving them a lot of money?
Wait until the vehicles drive themselves in a convoy to customers.
Color… the new “Quicksilver”, I think that’s the name. Im ready to order a new Model 3 “Highlander”, but still only the standard colors are available out of the Fremont plant. Anyone know when that color will be available here?? Thanks.
Cost per KWH for Tesla using Tesla power stations.. around 3 cents .. per KWH average U.S, home chare runs around 10 cents a KWH ... most EVs will be charged at home... at night,,,
Gigafaktory Berlin has 500 charging stalls
If oil goes up people will buy electric cars people are getting educated on the lifetime costs of an electric vehicle versus a ice vehicle, so in Europe and anywhere the oil is expensive Teslas will make sense, the Japanese market as it exists is protecting their domestic brands. South Korea and other countries with high cost of gas will buy teslas.
San Francisco is also getting more of a Ghost Town effect from all the businesses moving out due to the Covid exodus
👍
Isn't this going to be a short-term issue until the cars drive themselves from the factory to the customer address? How many years is it since Space Karen said '... w-w-w-we can do this today.. '?
I don't like red either.
I saw a white one. Looked mad
this is cost saving against fuel cars.
Tesla is integrating everything it produces to everything. Wow. Boring company to MP&L, robots to labour force, Semi's to logistics, solar cells to production and loading infrastructure, Space X to advertisement (Tesla sent to space), the experience in Aİ to robotics etc. Elon Musk is actually an Einstein in investment.
It's not that he did that by copying or taking the technogy, he invented the technogies and integrated it like a spider web. He also invented a lot of technologies he uses in one strain (gigacastings, cycbertruck technology,) and also uses a lot which are already available (chinese battery technolgy). China actually is doing the same, but Elon is one person, China is a lot of persons.
@@amaltheia7135 lool you are so clueless
They must be only able to haul 80% as much because deliveries dropped 20%?
It looks more burgandy
If magazines are to be believed Tesla Semi Fleet has round 100 Trucks end of 2023 built using Cyber truck parts. Volume Production is scheduled to 2024 but little has been said about the Class-8 truck or its dedicated production line at Giga Nevada in the past year.
However, they are behind the curve against Volvo and Daimler Trucks Europe, who are more advanced with Kempower delivering high-performance chargers to Milence for Europe’s largest heavy-duty charging network. Volvo have delivered over 500 electric trucks and claim to be the leading manufacturer of heavy electric trucks for Europe and North America.Volvo’s heavy electric truck, the Volvo FH Electric, has been selected as International Truck of the Year 2024. In explaining their decision, the jury praised the electric truck’s performance, seamless acceleration, quietness, and vibration-free behaviour. Daimler Truck sold 3,443 zero-emission trucks and buses 2023, 277% more than in the previous year (914 units). Given the competition is so advanced a better decision would have been to keep the Model 2 and dump the Semi.
Air quality in San Francisco has improved because everyone is homeless and they no longer own a car!!
I’m guessing you can’t say that about the bay…all that runoff from the sidewalks and encampments…
The work at home situation likely is a contributing factor, too. Less polluting vehicle traffic.
Can you prove air quality in San Francisco improved BECAUSE of EV adoption? Seems a silly claim as fresh air blows off the ocean only a few miles away and then descends on to SF proper. There are now enough cars between the ocean and downtown to afford up to anything noticeable. This claim is a lie.
I guess the fumes blow....inland on the poor peasants!
They also only carry 5 model 3´s because they´re heavy and the range isnt probably that great.
500 miles pulling 85,000 pounds 30 min to charge.
Is it true hat red cars get more tickets?
No?
Very smart of tesla to do this because it kills 2 birds with 1 stone by dog fooding its own products.
Saw five cyber trucks on the back of a semi in Arizona, unfortunately they were not being transported on a Tesla semi. This is highly unfortunate being that Pepsi has been using Tesla semis yet Tesla themselves are not
That's because PepsiCo uses them for marketing events, not day to day operations.
So why would Tesla?
@@billcichoke2534 Stop spitting trash, Pepsi uses them day to day operation.
Highly unfortunate that they can’t build enough overnight to suit everyone that wants one? Exercise patience
@dalejewell9916 Thry can, which is the problem. Quite a few orders cancelled apparently, after thry found out what PepsiCo had to pay for charging points and their associated substations. That wasn't covered in Tesla's sales pitch.
@@billcichoke2534 Pepsi would have had to put in those chargers anyway because Pepsi uses several different brands of electric semi trucks not just Tesla semis... So regardless if they were going to put in Tesla chargers or not they still would have had to have a substation and charge points... And Tesla chargers are the cheapest and fastest to install
Of course it will save them money, they don't cgarge themselves a markup on their own trucks. 😅
Who does? But that's not the end of it.
@@TheEvilmooseofdoom 'course not, all operations are done with no external costs.
Red
Anyone that calls Twitter x, I have zero respect for you.
Will Tesla even need trucks to deliver their cars when they eventually completely self drive ?
That is not likely to happen.
@@alexandermelbaus2351 what makes you say that ?
@@waynefergusson9987 We are a conscious being; The 5 sensors that we use to view the world is a integrated experience. A machine has more sensors and can even see or hear more then us, but it does not have an experience that interprets the world around us in the same manner. The machine is only responding to programmed responses to what it senses. There are too many variables for this to work in the cities; It is probably much more possible for country roads.
A machine may be successfully programmed to recognise a person via video, nearly 100% of the time, but put on a costume, the machine does no know. The machine can out perform us with many advanced abilities, but it is stupid to identifying even very simple things.
The other major problem is liability. A machine can not be made liable for damage or harm.
Why they do not make a train?
I'm not sure batteries are up to the job of rail, but I think one of the big rail companies is looking into it, at least for yard work.
@@TheEvilmooseofdoom In Portugal One company needed to transport iron, and they did it by trucks, than the country, builds the railway, and now they go by train
These trucks are a huge economic waste of time , man power and a danger to everyone around them
Diesel? That's true.
Your cogently(LMAoff) expressed non-sensical opinion shared with other like minded(?) carbon units, is the real DANGER.
How so
What sort of education background do you have to determine what you're saying?
What are you a diesel semi salesman? You sound extremely ignorant. Improvements are weekly. Perhaps you should remember. We started with electric vehicles. And switched because of technology. Advancements to gas and diesel. Steam cars during the switch From electric to gas were more efficient than either one initially but as time went by the steam past also. Technological advancement always creates change those resist it become obsolete.
Sorry...I love red cars....I have a Tesla M3 2022 red.
These electric semi-trucks are laughable. Time Is Money
Electric Viking - since 2017 Tesla has been using its Prototype semi models to Ship Tesla cars and cargo from GigaNevada (battery production) to & from Factories in Fremont .
Tesla in Nevada built the PILOT Semi line in 2022 in order to ship Semi in Limited Quantity to Pepsico (Sacramento) and Ftritolay (Modesto).
TESLA in 2024 began construction of its DEDICATED semi Factory & 4680 Battery expansion .
Ha ha what isn't tesla do n,cool
If this is the case, why the fark did I just pay $1000 shipping fee from TX to GA for my cybertruck
Sorry man, but you look like a live action Borderlands character.
Isn't that special
Hello mate
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He covers byd too.
I bet the delivery truck doesn't get very far before it needs a 5 hour charge!!
That's because a fool and his money are easily parted. And you people deserve it.
you lost your bet, 500 miles pulling 85,000 pounds and 30 min to charge.
Great news. No brainer really. Much better than talk of robots & self driving.
Told you Viking, ...Elon doesn't produce 'anything' that is not integrated into its 'vertical-integration'; from resources, to production, to delivery. Musk really 'does-not-care' whether Pepsi buys Tesla semi, as it will be years for the sales to balance with 'cost-of-production', but is anyone paying attention to the 'thousands' of diesel semis Tesla operates, combined with SpaceX one of the world's largest trucking fleets(...?) How many more trailers on three[3] continents must be managed with that fleet. No wonder he is Boring under a highway in Texas, so the cars can park themselves(?...) Tesla's semi leasing operations must be like NASA given the 'pace' of Musk/X enterprises. Tesla's supply-chain operations must be a significant portion of it's expenses, and I'm curious why that is not discussed more, ...because it is a "First Principle" of how effective, efficient, and productive Tesla is today. Tesla Semi is integral to Tesla's 'transportation' needs, no matter how many vehicles Tesla sells, and they will sell, just like Cybertruck, everywhere in the world. Faster than he can produce them(...$)
Musk is a genius
it's called a sem-i not a sem-E
Sam , you need to change your name to The electric Tesla..... Lol 90% of your videos are about Tesla and you bash the rest
Not true, he covers BYD a lot too. To be fair, those two companies have the EV market pretty stitched up between them and are miles ahead of the competition.
Not true. But tesla and bud are market leaders so get more coverage
That’s because any other EV is a me too product
Maybe cuz Tesla is the best?
That’s because Tesla is the bench mark and everyone else is moving at the pace of a snail other than BYD.