Just found your site. Answers all the questions I've had about many people, involved in music, who've died in plane crashes. The amazing amount of musical talent lost is heartbreaking. What would they have been able to contribute had they not been lost. 😥 😢 🎶
I love all these videos excellent reconstruction well told for years it was thought he and the plane disappeared but in later years with research it probably crashed in foggy weather in the the very deep ocean
It most likely would have been in the Channel rather than open ocean. In a way that makes things worse because even though it's not hugely deep compared to open water, the seabed is littered with 2 or 3 millennia worth of debris. About 15 years ago I corresponded with one of the top aircraft-recovery experts; his take was that finding what's left of the plane (only the cockpit and engine) would be like finding the proverbial needle in a haystack ... inside another haystack.
I will keep at it as time allows, they are fun to make. I use to do these kind of flights without recording them, so figured I would take anyone interested along for the ride. Thanks for watching.
About a decade ago historians from the Glenn Miller Archives at the U. of Colorado did a new investigation of his disappearance. What they found casts doubt on the dropped-bomb story that's circulated for years. The investigation found coast-spotter logs that recorded a UC-64 headed out over the Channel at a time and place consistent with the standard SHAEF route his plane would have taken to Paris. That puts it too far away in both position and time to have strayed north into the RAF jettison zone. Also the investigators gained access to the plane's repair history which showed it had been having repeated fuel-system problems in cold weather and they hadn't been fully resolved. Even worse, the pilot wasn't qualified for bad-weather flying but took off anyway because he was pressured into it by the senior officer (LTC Norman Baessell) who'd originally set up the trip. Bottom line, we'll never know for certain but the most likely causes of his loss were engine failure and/or pilot error. The saddest part is that it never would have happened if the parties involved had followed standard regulations for bad-weather flight.
All true, we may never know. Incidents that involve high profile people will always be over scrutinized I guess. I am sure there is nothing to most (all) of them, but some of the conspiracy theories sure are entertaining.
@@DudeTours True. The problem I have with the conspiracy theories is that they take on lives of their own and divert people from the truth. Plus there's also the effect they've had on his family. I know just how upset his daughter and son have been over some of the more-salacious stories. In fact it was Steve who initiated the U of Colorado investigation. He passed away before the findings were published but Dennis Spragg told me he was able to give Steve the preliminary results. I hope it gave him some peace before passing.
Yes the animation devalues the excellent presentation well done for recognising the need to ditch the cartoon character. Having got that out the way, the video very interesting, I was born in Bedfordshire and know the area very well, I had a long career in aviation now approaching my 70th birthday and flew as a flight engineer on B 707’s so have an appreciation of IMC conditions. Cheers Charlie
Have you heard the story of returning bombers dropping there bombs into the English Channel which was thought to have brought down Miller’s plane? Just another theory but the timelines add up. Cheers!
Yes, I think I read later investigation uncovered that the records originally used to lead to that theory used two different time formats so the records really indicated an hour difference between estimated times they would have each been over the channel. I guess we will never know.
That WAS the best-available explanation when it came out in the 1980s. Since then later investigations using modern forensic methods have found additional evidence making the dropped-bomb theory a lot less likely. In particular the new investigation turned up a positive ID of Miller's plane at a time and location that made it essentially impossible to have been anywhere near the RAF drop zone when Shaw's report was made. The new investigation found very strong evidence to support the AAF's original 1945 conclusion that the plane went down due to mechanical failure, pilot error, or a combination of both.
I use the arrow keys on the num pad. So essentially Keypad 8 & 2 to pitch up and down, Keypad 4 & 6 to rotate (yaw) and if you want to get real crazy Keypad 7 & 9 to roll left and right. Thanks for watching.
If i was filthy filthy rich with billions, i would try to figure out as many ocean mysteries as i could,that would be my bucket list, Amelia Earhart,Miller,The Surcouf, The Cyclops, the lost patrol and so many others,i would buy me a bad to the bone research ship and 2 submersibles and spend months at sea,man that would be the absolute maximus,occasionally i would look for a little treasure to refill my coffers,lol
Yes, there has been a great deal of research on all the theories. Some of the most recent research has determined that the records regarding the aborted bomb run turned out to be in different time format than originally thought and in fact the bomb drop and Miller's plane would have been at that spot an hour apart. But I guess we will never know for sure. Thanks for watching.
Newer investigations have cast a lot of doubt on the friendly-fire hypothesis. In particular the time and location disagree with a positive sighting of the plane made by a coast spotter. The sighting puts the plane too far away and at the wrong time of day to have been near the drop zone. Other details uncovered in the new investigation point to the cause more likely being either mechanical failure (carburetor icing), pilot error (unqualified for adverse conditions), or a combination of both.
There is a view that it was hit by a bomb dropped after a major air raid was returning home and ditching any bombs left in the bomb bay in to the channel, the bombers were high above Millers plane. Less plausible it may have been shot down, but it is more likely he got caught in a returning bomber stream ditching unused ordinance. Hence no record of the wreckage ever, but then again it may have been the pilot.
That WAS the best hypothesis available when it was presented in the mid-1980s, but later research using modern forensic methods has cast a lot of doubt on it. In the early 2010s historians from the University of Colorado opened a new and deeper investigation into his disappearance. To summarize their findings: > The plane was positively identified by a coast spotter. The time was consistent with when it left Twinwood airfield, and the location was much too far south for it to have been anywhere near the RAF bomb zone even if they'd strayed off course. > The plane's fuel system used a type of carburetor heater that was known to fail in cold, damp conditions such as those on Dec. 15th. The AAF had an ongoing program to replace the heaters on all affected aircraft, but of course combat planes got first priority. The U of CO investigators found that the UC-64 Miller was in had a history of carburetor failures but hadn't yet been fixed. > The plane's pilot wasn't trained for bad-weather flight, yet agreed to make the trip even though heavy clouds were settling in. Bottom line, the most likely scenarios are mechanical failure, pilot error, or a combination of both.
@@sandydennylives1392 Thanks for the props, but I can't claim credit for any of the work. That honor goes to historian Dennis Spragg, who's one of the best and most informed Miller experts on the planet (quite literally... ) Dennis spent years doing deep-dive research into every document and other evidence he could get his hands on, including material that had been kept in USAAF/USAF/RAF archives for decades. In particular they had a forensic model of the supposed dropped-bomb sighting made; it showed that Fred Shaw's claims simply didn't add up. (The "FWIW" is that he wasn't knowingly telling a falsehood, he simply didn't have enough information to make a solid conclusion.) The sad part is that the investigation also concluded that, barring unexpected luck, there's almost no chance any wreckage will be recovered. Without that the best we have is icing / mechanical failure / pilot error, any one of which could easily have caused the crash. 😢😢
@@Poisson4147 Icing and mechanical. As you said, airliner's were a very low priority for skilled mechanics at the time, plus any good pilot was in the war. Just crap engine maintenance and a crap plane more than likely, if not the bomber stream.
@@sandydennylives1392 Thanks for the response!. To add a bit more, he was on a military transport (a UC-64) rather than an airliner, and it was maintained by the same crews who handled combat craft. The underlying issues were wartime shortages and priorities. The war had been going on for years. There just weren't enough mechanics OR replacement parts to fix all of the affected engines expeditiously, so the AAF naturally gave top priority to combat planes. The particular model of UC-64 he was on had an additional risk. The plane was built in two varieties, one with pontoons for water landings and one with fixed wheels for landing on hard ground. For reasons no one's ever been able to figure out, the pilot had a fixed-wheel version despite most of the trip being over water. It was well-known that in the event of controlled ditching - let alone a full-on crash - the fixed-wheel gear would "dig" into the water's surface and send the plane into a cartwheel. Prior crashes, even on shallow bodies like lakes, had invariably been fatal to all on board.
As you will see on my other response you were not alone in those who said that the animation was, distracting, inappropriate or just didn't add anything to the videos. He is out searching the job postings for a new gig 😉 .
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Just discovered your channel. .binge watching today dude 😎 💯💕
I have loved these videos!!! You have done a superb job!!!!
Just found your site. Answers all the questions I've had about many people, involved in music, who've died in plane crashes. The amazing amount of musical talent lost is heartbreaking. What would they have been able to contribute had they not been lost. 😥 😢 🎶
this is a very well explained documentation. your videos are very understandable, accurate and logical. Excellent!!
I love all these videos excellent reconstruction well told for years it was thought he and the plane disappeared but in later years with research it probably crashed in foggy weather in the the very deep ocean
It most likely would have been in the Channel rather than open ocean. In a way that makes things worse because even though it's not hugely deep compared to open water, the seabed is littered with 2 or 3 millennia worth of debris.
About 15 years ago I corresponded with one of the top aircraft-recovery experts; his take was that finding what's left of the plane (only the cockpit and engine) would be like finding the proverbial needle in a haystack ... inside another haystack.
I encourage you to keep making videos like these. Great!
I will keep at it as time allows, they are fun to make. I use to do these kind of flights without recording them, so figured I would take anyone interested along for the ride. Thanks for watching.
About a decade ago historians from the Glenn Miller Archives at the U. of Colorado did a new investigation of his disappearance. What they found casts doubt on the dropped-bomb story that's circulated for years.
The investigation found coast-spotter logs that recorded a UC-64 headed out over the Channel at a time and place consistent with the standard SHAEF route his plane would have taken to Paris. That puts it too far away in both position and time to have strayed north into the RAF jettison zone. Also the investigators gained access to the plane's repair history which showed it had been having repeated fuel-system problems in cold weather and they hadn't been fully resolved. Even worse, the pilot wasn't qualified for bad-weather flying but took off anyway because he was pressured into it by the senior officer (LTC Norman Baessell) who'd originally set up the trip.
Bottom line, we'll never know for certain but the most likely causes of his loss were engine failure and/or pilot error. The saddest part is that it never would have happened if the parties involved had followed standard regulations for bad-weather flight.
All true, we may never know. Incidents that involve high profile people will always be over scrutinized I guess. I am sure there is nothing to most (all) of them, but some of the conspiracy theories sure are entertaining.
@@DudeTours True. The problem I have with the conspiracy theories is that they take on lives of their own and divert people from the truth. Plus there's also the effect they've had on his family. I know just how upset his daughter and son have been over some of the more-salacious stories. In fact it was Steve who initiated the U of Colorado investigation. He passed away before the findings were published but Dennis Spragg told me he was able to give Steve the preliminary results. I hope it gave him some peace before passing.
Great narration! I like the cartoon character.
They actually have the Norseman in the game now it is a good plane would recommend
Brilliant thank you!
Yes the animation devalues the excellent presentation well done for recognising the need to ditch the cartoon character. Having got that out the way, the video very interesting, I was born in Bedfordshire and know the area very well, I had a long career in aviation now approaching my 70th birthday and flew as a flight engineer on B 707’s so have an appreciation of IMC conditions. Cheers Charlie
It took a bit to work out the format of the videos, so not using the animation anymore was a good call. Thanks for the feedback.
Have you heard the story of returning bombers dropping there bombs into the English Channel which was thought to have brought down Miller’s plane? Just another theory but the timelines add up. Cheers!
Yes, I think I read later investigation uncovered that the records originally used to lead to that theory used two different time formats so the records really indicated an hour difference between estimated times they would have each been over the channel. I guess we will never know.
That WAS the best-available explanation when it came out in the 1980s. Since then later investigations using modern forensic methods have found additional evidence making the dropped-bomb theory a lot less likely.
In particular the new investigation turned up a positive ID of Miller's plane at a time and location that made it essentially impossible to have been anywhere near the RAF drop zone when Shaw's report was made.
The new investigation found very strong evidence to support the AAF's original 1945 conclusion that the plane went down due to mechanical failure, pilot error, or a combination of both.
"my grandfather fought in WW2. he played the saxophone for the air force band."
"I think it was 15 hours for an instrument rating back then."
At like 29:33 you rotated the drone camera. What button did you use to do that? I haven’t figured out how to rotate the camera yet.
I use the arrow keys on the num pad. So essentially Keypad 8 & 2 to pitch up and down, Keypad 4 & 6 to rotate (yaw) and if you want to get real crazy Keypad 7 & 9 to roll left and right. Thanks for watching.
If i was filthy filthy rich with billions, i would try to figure out as many ocean mysteries as i could,that would be my bucket list, Amelia Earhart,Miller,The Surcouf, The Cyclops, the lost patrol and so many others,i would buy me a bad to the bone research ship and 2 submersibles and spend months at sea,man that would be the absolute maximus,occasionally i would look for a little treasure to refill my coffers,lol
One theory is he and his pilot were killed by friendly bombs over the channel.
Yes, there has been a great deal of research on all the theories. Some of the most recent research has determined that the records regarding the aborted bomb run turned out to be in different time format than originally thought and in fact the bomb drop and Miller's plane would have been at that spot an hour apart. But I guess we will never know for sure. Thanks for watching.
Newer investigations have cast a lot of doubt on the friendly-fire hypothesis. In particular the time and location disagree with a positive sighting of the plane made by a coast spotter. The sighting puts the plane too far away and at the wrong time of day to have been near the drop zone.
Other details uncovered in the new investigation point to the cause more likely being either mechanical failure (carburetor icing), pilot error (unqualified for adverse conditions), or a combination of both.
There is a view that it was hit by a bomb dropped after a major air raid was returning home and ditching any bombs left in the bomb bay in to the channel, the bombers were high above Millers plane. Less plausible it may have been shot down, but it is more likely he got caught in a returning bomber stream ditching unused ordinance. Hence no record of the wreckage ever, but then again it may have been the pilot.
That WAS the best hypothesis available when it was presented in the mid-1980s, but later research using modern forensic methods has cast a lot of doubt on it.
In the early 2010s historians from the University of Colorado opened a new and deeper investigation into his disappearance. To summarize their findings:
> The plane was positively identified by a coast spotter. The time was consistent with when it left Twinwood airfield, and the location was much too far south for it to have been anywhere near the RAF bomb zone even if they'd strayed off course.
> The plane's fuel system used a type of carburetor heater that was known to fail in cold, damp conditions such as those on Dec. 15th. The AAF had an ongoing program to replace the heaters on all affected aircraft, but of course combat planes got first priority. The U of CO investigators found that the UC-64 Miller was in had a history of carburetor failures but hadn't yet been fixed.
> The plane's pilot wasn't trained for bad-weather flight, yet agreed to make the trip even though heavy clouds were settling in.
Bottom line, the most likely scenarios are mechanical failure, pilot error, or a combination of both.
@@Poisson4147 Your probably right, thanks for the research.
@@sandydennylives1392 Thanks for the props, but I can't claim credit for any of the work. That honor goes to historian Dennis Spragg, who's one of the best and most informed Miller experts on the planet (quite literally... )
Dennis spent years doing deep-dive research into every document and other evidence he could get his hands on, including material that had been kept in USAAF/USAF/RAF archives for decades. In particular they had a forensic model of the supposed dropped-bomb sighting made; it showed that Fred Shaw's claims simply didn't add up. (The "FWIW" is that he wasn't knowingly telling a falsehood, he simply didn't have enough information to make a solid conclusion.)
The sad part is that the investigation also concluded that, barring unexpected luck, there's almost no chance any wreckage will be recovered. Without that the best we have is icing / mechanical failure / pilot error, any one of which could easily have caused the crash. 😢😢
@@Poisson4147 Icing and mechanical. As you said, airliner's were a very low priority for skilled mechanics at the time, plus any good pilot was in the war. Just crap engine maintenance and a crap plane more than likely, if not the bomber stream.
@@sandydennylives1392 Thanks for the response!. To add a bit more, he was on a military transport (a UC-64) rather than an airliner, and it was maintained by the same crews who handled combat craft.
The underlying issues were wartime shortages and priorities. The war had been going on for years. There just weren't enough mechanics OR replacement parts to fix all of the affected engines expeditiously, so the AAF naturally gave top priority to combat planes.
The particular model of UC-64 he was on had an additional risk. The plane was built in two varieties, one with pontoons for water landings and one with fixed wheels for landing on hard ground. For reasons no one's ever been able to figure out, the pilot had a fixed-wheel version despite most of the trip being over water. It was well-known that in the event of controlled ditching - let alone a full-on crash - the fixed-wheel gear would "dig" into the water's surface and send the plane into a cartwheel. Prior crashes, even on shallow bodies like lakes, had invariably been fatal to all on board.
Thank you for yet another interesting video. Please "retire" the little cartoon dude. Your videos are so interesting & he is distracting......sorry.
As you will see on my other response you were not alone in those who said that the animation was, distracting, inappropriate or just didn't add anything to the videos. He is out searching the job postings for a new gig 😉 .
Get to the point.
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St. Gertrude the Great prayer she saw a vast number of souls leaving purgatory as she prayed this prayer often daily ✝️ “Read Me Or Rue It” Book imprimatu🇻🇦📔 Only we can help our friends into heaven ✝️in purgatory 🔥