My husband and I were in Spain the day she died - everyone there grieved so much for her - she proved to have, in spite of all her suffering, tremendous style, grace and courage - she would go horseback riding there, impressed everyone. RIP, Jackie.
I think her illness and death at a young 64 is the manifestation of many years of grief and trauma. It took a horrible toll on her body. God bless her soul, I hope she is at peace now.
Yes, a smoker. But it was lymphatic. Lymph system is the gatekeeper. Lymph stopped dead with that extreme tragedy. She being pulled in both directions, mothering hormones while suppressing grief and doubtless anger and rage. She was ideal weight, no yo-yo dieting which is not healthy. Bobby died too, can't say it came back, probably never left. We are privileged to have had her beauty and grace. She probably wrote proper thank you cards in her own hand…to the angels.
Non-Hodgkin lymphoma is often associated to heavy smoking, which unfortunately, she did do for decades. Dx in Jan, gone in May. Very sad, she was an amazing woman .
@@LibertyStation92106 She held us together. We were so busy watching her and her young children, it was a distraction for anything else,. It was as if the earth stopped spinning. The shock was felt world over. Jackie Kennedy with her dignified solemn carriage, set the moment in history. She planned all elements of the funeral, to include the Riderless Horse, tall boots backwards in the stirrups. As primitive as camera and sound were, the squeaks of the leather and sound of the hooves could be heard.
Good evaluation. I met Jackie in a diner (EJ's Luncheonette) on 3rd avenue in Manhattan in 1993. She sat right next to my friend at a double-top table with her grand daughter. They both sat facing the plate glass window with their backs to all the gawking diners. She said to my friend, Barbara, "Ooh, those look delicious what did you order?" My friend didn't recognize her at first regardless of my shin kicking under the table to get her to realize who was speaking to her. My friend responded to Jackie, "Chocolate chip pancakes - they're amazing". She then realized whom she was speaking with when she heard her breathy voice. I noticed she seemed avoidant of all the gawking diners behind her and her physical posturing was somewhat rigid. I also have CPTSD and posture in a very similar fashion as others I know with the condition. She was a wonderful, generous, elegant lady that a professional may visibly see was traumatized by the events of her past. Thank you for honoring her with this delicate evaluation.
@@LL-lj1kq He didn’t have the right personality to fly. Plus his paternal uncle Joe Kennedy, Jr., was killed on a risky bombing mission in Europe in World War II. A few years later, Joe, Jr. and JFK’s sister Kathleen, who was living in England with her very wealthy aristocratic British husband, was killed, along with her husband on a private plane crash on the way to Europe. In the 1960s, John’s uncle, Sen. Ted Kennedy, was badly injured in a small plane crash. Jackie was completely spooked- in fact I believe all John’s relatives were frightened at the thought that John, while a decent guy, was just too risk-taking and ADD to safely fly. I’m sure his sister was terrified when he took up flying after his mother died. Even his wife Carolyn was very nervous flying with John though she did appreciate being able to avoid the public and the paparazzi they often encountered at major airports. In fact, when they went up to Hyannis Port or Martha’s Vineyard, Carolyn would usually drive up rather than fly with John. If only she and her sister Lauren had done so that fatal weekend.
I was working as a waiter in a west side restaurant in 1985. Mrs. Onassis along with two jr. assistants from her publishing house arrived . She was seated in my section by the kitchen ( what was the hostess thinking ?) we were incredibly busy with the pre - theater crowd. She was soft spoken and gracious through out . The standard of deportment for any public figure. IMHO. She left a generous gratuity .
I saw her in Concord, MA, Caroline attended Concord Academy. She was quite tall, ( her listed height is 5'7" but she appeared taller). and a bit haggard for early 40s. She was a more than a pack a day smoker... (might've contributed to birth issues).
I’ve suffered from ptsd and reliving the trauma in a loop, both in my mind and by talking about it with people close to me, was a big part of it. I can’t imagine Jackie NOT having PTSD after what she went through.
Dr. G. JFK died in 1963. I'm old enough to remember the event. My poor mom was very upset about it, because that same day, the president visited the military base where she worked in San Antonio, TX. Jackie has always intrigued me, thanks for your analysis.
Her husband's head blew apart in her hands, while she was under gunfire. She said that she couldn't even remember crawling back over the car trunk to retrieve parts of his brain. I wouldn't doubt PTSD at all.
Yes, who has had to deal with your husband's head being blown apart while sitting next to him in a car in a public place? I can't even imagine what she went through for probably years after. Thank God JFK Jr. Was killed AFTER his mother's death. She was a lovely proud lady.
@@helenhealy3190 that's what I had always believed, too. Then I saw a still photo where she appeared to have a piece of it in her hand, and the Dr, who had treated JFK said that she handed it to him. She literally walked up to him in the ER and put it in his hand. Robert Hibbert mentions this interview in the first reply under my comment. I have seen that video, too, or one like it. In later interviews, she said that she didn't remember doing all that, though she had seen the footage, and knew that she had.
Beautiful tribute to Jackie. She was once a photographer and roving reporter. Later an editor. I think she was trained to be an observer, and this is why she expressed herself so well. She had a lot of willpower, too. She went out to lunch with a friend during her cancer treatment and had never eaten more than a bite of dessert. This time she told her friend let's get the whole tray and eat it all!
I remember reading, probably in the 80s, what her favorite lunch was in some NY restaurant. Steak a Poivre, salad, and for desert a coffee and ONE Godiva chocolate.
Shocked that you left Caroline out. Her parents were so proud of her, and Caroline proved to be a beloved and attentive daughter, so conscientious and a comforting support to her mother.
I may be wrong, but I think he limited himself to mentioning the major traumatic events in her life. That may be why her daughter's name didn't come up.
She went through so much in hindsight: multiple losses of life, witnessing a murder, riding the highs of fame and fortune... It was quite a rollercoaster to say the least
Not only PTSD, but probably C-PTSD. Repeated trauma, a lot of tragedy, loss, sadness. She was a lovely, graceful, strong, long suffering, kind lady, in spite of it all. Life is so messed up sometimes...
Full of the devil. That’s something I can identify with! How could the poor woman not have had PTSD. I’ll always remember the photo of her in bloody clothes witnessing LBJ’s swearing in. Just so tragic. Thank you for this compassionate analysis, sir.
A possible cause of her death on a physical note would be that she dyed her hair practically every day... not one grey hair on her head, which may have contributed to the lymphoma.
When it comes to the devil part I think he was trying to say or should have said that she had to stand next to the devil while he was being sworn in after her husband was killed
I have worked with elderly people with dementia, and something that I noticed is that in quite a few cases, what they were dealing with stemmed from untreated trauma and grief. The generation I speak of had lived through two world wars and the Great Depression, and they were really conditioned to put on a stiff upper lip, and to put it behind get on with things. It seems that as they got older, and frailer, that ability to keep those things under wraps became more difficult and it all surfaced. It’s a horrible thing to see, I had one lady who lived a house fire that occurred when she was a child, over and over...and another who lost a child, always panicking because her husband was out drinking and wouldn’t be home fast enough to get the child to the hospital. It made me realise the importance of grief and trauma counselling at the time rather than leaving things to fester, because we don’t heal without help. PTSD can be, and often is the result of cumulative events, and can catch you by surprise. Death by a thousand cuts as a dear friend of mine would have said. All the best.
One of my best friends died of dementia a month ago at age 61. 13 years after her son died and she immediately started loosing her memory. The only blessing was after about 5 years she stopped crying every day. Fir the next 6 years her short term memory was shot but we could have a good time laughing about old times. The last year she was bedridden and completely out if it. I was sad to loose her, but I was happy that she was finally released from her broken mind and her life's tragedies of which there had been many.
I just related to a friend of my CPTSD and past ten years of the worst in a life of so much as a “ death by a thousand cuts”. In ten years I’ve gone from looking ten years younger than my age & feeling pretty good to knowing my life has been shortened from trauma. There is much I could say about my decline and all the aging and inability to do much. Zero endurance, physically/mentally. I noticed my grandmothers swift decline after my mother’s unbelievable situation took a toll. Died of Alzheimer’s. I always believed stress like no other but serious loss and betrayal with no support and in fact the few you thought would be there for you can be deadly. I’m most definitely experiencing a swift decline in my brain, memory, ability to communicate or remember anything really. It’s scary
I think the United States owes her more than just memories and sympathy. She led the entire world through the three days of pain for his public funeral. She deserves some sort of medal or sign of appreciation.
What don’t be ridiculous. It was all about image management for her children’s legacy and her brothers in law. This disgusting overrated family already got more than enough passes through life and false accolades.
Agreed. We owe her great appreciation. She had enormous grace and intelligence. She didn’t redecorate the White House, she had it restored, bringing furniture, precious objects and art back to where it had been. Most people agree the First Lady is an important position, many think it should be salaried as well. Curated restoration by Jackie saved tens of thousands of dollars with stunning results. If interested, the CSpan series of First Ladies is excellent.
She suffered lost her husband in a violent death She was beautiful and held on to her children Such strength I wish I had her mental strength to overcome life's bad moments
An excellent analysis. I’ve read that soon after JFK’s death, she confided to an Irish priest she felt close to that she was so depressed, she felt suicidal, but knew she needed to live for Caroline and John, who were still very young. Her Catholicism , I believe, was another factor in her deciding to live. It should also be added that Jackie’s father Jack Bouvier was also openly unfaithful, even in front of his two daughters. It was for this reason her mother divorced her father. So marital infidelity was rather a constant in her life. And I was somewhat stunned to read in a 2023 bio about her “Jackie: Public, Private and Secret” by J. Randy Taraborrelli that Jackie had the indicated to a psychiatrist that she couldn’t hate her husband because of the way he died - referring to her guilt about her understandable anger at his constant infidelity, as he had died so violently - although I believe she did love him, and he loved her. It has been said they were just beginning to grow close following their mutual deep grief at the loss of Patrick, which occurred in July 1963, just a few months before the assassination in Dallas on Nov. 22. That is an unbelievable amount of loss such a short time - especially considering that physically, she was also recovering from a Caesarean section child birth. Her Secret Service agent Clint Hill, who rushed to the presidential limousine to cover JFK and Jackie by lying over them, also suffered many years of guilt as he believed that had he reached the limo sooner, he might have stopped the fatal shot to JFK’s head. Hill is now in his early 90s and lives in the San Francisco Bay Area. He still is haunted by that day but is finally more forgiving of himself.
@@dianamarie5663 Exactly Diana! She went through a plethora of trials & tribulations. Yet, was still able to maintain grace under all of it. God doesn't care if someone is rich, or poor. It's all in their attitude, mindset.
Your commentary is truly clarifying and fascinating. I was 16 when JFK was elected president and there were endless articles on Jackie and Jack Kennedy during their epoch and many of us devoured all of them. Who would have thought that anything more was necessary. But what you have written here is astonishingly insightful and illuminating. Thank you so much.
I was 13 when JFK was killed. I admired Jacqueline's intelligence and her interest in not only the US, but the entire world. When she visited Angkor Wat, the Hindu temple site in Cambodia, I was thrilled to see what she saw. The women of that time were mostly interested in getting married/having babies so it was inspiring to me as a young girl wishing to escape Nebraska and see the world. I have always admired adventurous women and I grew up to be one.
We saw she had talents, too. She wrote, watercolored, spoke several languages. She was smart, researched and developed expertise in American artifacts when historically restoring the White House. I was so afraid that the Trumps would undo something important.
Jackie Kennedy was the best First Lady we ever had. She was intelligent, dedicated to the cause of her husband and to the general goodwill of the American People and all people world wide. Her behavior the day of the Assassination was phenomenal. Covered with her husband's blood when she got back to Air Force one, she was urged to change her clothes and wash up. Her reply to that suggestion was: "Let them see what they have done!" To me, this conveyed clear assertive presence of mind at a time when most women in her situation would have been in a daze. She represented herself well in the following days weeks months and years. To this day, those old enough to remember her, miss her still. She was as famous as her husband by being the most beautiful, lovely, loving, and caring First Lady we ever had.
Being recently diagnosed with PTSD and MDD and living it for 3+ decades, I feel very sad for the suffering that she endured. Dying at 64, probably still depressed, is a real tragedy as well Rip dear Jackie O. You are finally at peace.
I hope your diagnosis leads to a treatment plan that works for you 💕 I have both as well, only recently started feeling like I’m having a breakthrough after 2 decades.
@@sourgreendolly7685 I'm sorry to read that you have also struggled and for quite a long time. It surprises me that I'm still alive at 53. I never thought I'd live so long. Treatment will begin shortly. Covid is stalling things however we have a plan and I have more support now than I have ever had.
@Paul Wieringa Sorry to hear that Paul. Losing your mama at a young age is so devastating. Insomnia is very frustrating and I hope you try to be good to yourself sometimes.
I was thinking about you and your insomnia...have you tried taking Magnesium Glycinate a couple of hours before bed? It works well for some ppl. It helped me for the first week then it dn. Quetiapine is what I take.
I knew her…she was so grateful for her life…to me she was an extremely optimistic person…I really wasn’t a fan but after meeting her I found her very warm and open to me. When I think of her now I realize that I love her very much.
It could also mean that she did a few minor pranks and chewed gum in class. Back then, chewing gum was on the official list of worst offenses, and childish pranks were treated as serious problems. They made mountains out of molehills.
I LOVE your comment!! Someone has done their homework on how most women were treated, no matter the class, back in the past. I think of the poor mothers who had to endure the sex, not love making, husbands had with their wives, having 8, 9, 10 children, like my Saint of a Grandmother, had to endure. Fathers rarely changed a damn diaper.
Dr Grande, I'd love to see one on Ethel Kennedy, Robert Kennedy's widow. She endured some of the same hardships as Jackie but reacted so different. She is a complicated but extremely strong woman, I'd love to see a video about her.
Remember that Onassis dumped Maria Callas for Jackie :-( She lived a privileged but tragic life, and l can’t blame her for any negative feelings she may have gained about the United States after dealing with so much violent death. I believe that Onassis, the Greek Isles, and time lived on the Mediterranean Sea, was a calming escape for her, at least for a period of time. Thanks Dr. Grande. I think you are spot on in this episode. We all learn so much from you!
Her mission was to kill Ari as she was CIA so she did the next best thing and had his son killed. She also spied on Bobby and she participated in killing her husband.
@@Villapallenberg No, there's actually a book on Amazon that goes over the killing of JFK. It's called Killer Queen. Also, the band Queen wrote a song about Jackie called Killer Queen. At first I didn't believe it either but after I read it I believe. Both Jackie and her sister were CIA assets and Allen Dulles head of the CIA at the time was Jackie's handler. Jackie married JFK to spy on him, then she spied on Bobby and her third mission was to have Ari killed. Ari signed a deal with the Saudis to ship their oil and Nixon told the CIA to kill the bastard. Jackie made the excuse she had to leave the country because they were killing Kennedy's. She spent 9 months out of the year in New York City while married to Onassis. She had Ari's son's plane rigged so it would crash. That killed Ari's spirit and 2 years later he died. He wanted to divorce Jackie but died before he could do it. Christina Ari's daughter who knew Jackie was behind her brother's killing made sure Jackie only got a quarter of the estate as opposed to half. In the zapruder film you can see a cloud of smoke coming from the left side of JFK's head. When Jackie climbed onto the back of the limo she was retrieving part of JFK's brain to hide evidence. When Bobby was killed by CIA she pushed Ethel to the side at the hosptial in the hallway and went into Bobby's room and unplugged life support. It's so funny that most don't believe this stuff but it's true to the core.
She was beauty and grace. She was a role model for young women of that era. I admired her more than any woman in our history of that time. When I had a similar type of loss at age 19, I drew on her courage and example as my own behavior and to carry me through. Great analysis.
I believe that November 22 ,1963 had a significant impact on her mental health that lasted the rest of her life. She may not have been a physical casualty but she was an emotional casualty
saw her in NYC in 1968...Her beauty was beyond comprehension...flawless..like a doll. Thank you Dr. Gramde for this comprehensive evaluation... Excellent!
Your analysis of Jackie Onassis was interesting and enlightened. I remember that many people seemed to be disappointed in her for marrying Onassis. I thought she was looking for ‘surcease of sorrow’ and a buffer between herself and the attention of the world. She needed to rest, but I doubt that she got much.
I do feel it's a blessing that she was not alive to endure the death and the aftermath of her son, John. She'd been through enough. On a different note, I love Dr. Grande's line about Jackie's father: "He had some trouble regulating his intake of alcohol." I believe another way to phrase this would be: "He was a drunk." Made me laugh so hard! I love circumlocution!!!!!
I don't know how Jackie could have not had PTSD. Shortly after losing a baby, who lived for only a few days, she experienced the horrible assassination of her husband who died in her lap. I think it was her first outing after the death of the baby, one of three she had lost. All one has to do is watch that video of her crawling on the back of the car , reaching for the Secret Service agent. Then, she lost another supportive family member to assassination just five years later. I was 16 and home sick the day the President's assassination occurred and it affected me for many years and I was just a teen member of the public.
To Mrs. Kennedy-Onassis’ eternal credit, while she was “figuring it out, largely on her own,” there was never a visible ripple on the stream of that classic demeanor! Thoughtful analysis. Very kind of Dr. Grande in an era of “Dem” defamation.
Jackie lived in a time when mental health issues were stigmatized; and if they were brought to attention, it was the most extreme cases where patients were institutionalized. Thank God mental health is becoming more acceptable to talk about today.
Oh man I can’t imagine the pain she felt having been in her position. This is one of your best analysis and I very much appreciate your study of her, it was deep. Good job and keep it up!!
@ They lived together in her apartment on 5th Ave. Maurice Templesman's wife would not give him a divorce. I don't think we can use modern standards to evaluate her life. Children were very important to her. If parents today got married before children, everything would be better. Women got married back then. There's no chance she wouldn't have married, especially given her social class.
To avalanche. I so agree, except to note that a woman's looks will make a man love her. As a reader, i note how often a man, real or fictional "falls in love" and often stays so lifelong by initially observing a woman's looks. I've never understood it, but it seems to be a real phenomenon. Then, luckily for the man, most women have sweetness, sociality and service in place to cement the "love"
Oh, I‘d still like to see your analysis of Jacquie‘s aunt and cousin, Big Edie and Litte Edie, the Beales of Grey Gardens. What a bizarre story! I still can‘t decide what was up, narcisstic mother? Folie a deux?
Yes please do the Beals!!!!!! I tried searching for utube videos to analyze the problems those ladies have but all there is people praising them and cult following everything from Little Edie's fashions to her "great talents".Please talk truth about that disfunction because it was a sad existence in reality removing the notoriety.
@david lincoln brooks What puzzles me was that Little Edie went on to live a quiet, apparently normal life in totally clean apartments (in Oakland because she had family there and her last years in Florida). She even didn't own cats any longer. Big Edie however was apparently almost disowned by her father(?) because of scandalous behavior. Her sons tried to persuade her to leave the mansion after her ex-husband died and maintenance became more and more difficult financially. I also read that she sabotaged Little Edie to get married and guilted her into staying with her because as a (bald) spinster she had no chances to survive "decently" any other way. But damn, that were cruel times for women, even for upper class ladies, back then:/
I went through a personal trauma & during it and in dealing with the aftermath I simply carried on but when the dust settles, then comes the devastating sadness
Given Jackie’s time as an aware, intelligent women seems she never had the resources and support to deal properly with all her “ brokenness and completeness “…..kind of sad, but she still managed to accomplish quite a bit………..she’s like a character out of some classic drama or opera……with class……… Rest In Peace, Jackie Kennedy Onassis………be well with the angels and Saints, who you always appreciated!!!………
Thank you for zeroing in on Mrs. Kennedy's PTS. She went through more suffering than one can imagine as President Kennedy was being wounded. Who can forget that image of the first lady climbing on the back of the motorcade to retrieve part of her husband's brain. I often wonder that perhaps this is why she died sort of young. Yes she had cancer, but maybe the stressed caused the cancer to develop. Thank you once again Dr. Grande for your analysis.
I believe it was in 2019 that Vanity Fair had an article on Jacqueline in one of its monthly issues. The article reported that she was on the verge of suicide after John Kennedy's assassination. She also sort of lived life in a fishbowl, being the object of so much curiosity. It says something about her inner strengths that she was able to avoid going completely nuts.
@@Grimenoughtomaketherobotcry I wasn't trying to suggest that she wasn't. Just trying to convey what a traumatizing life she endured I did read that she was on some kind of medication. She did suffer from insomnia and it wouldn't surprise if she saw a mental health expert
Jackie Kennedy will forever be a symbol of beauty, intelligence, grace and class. She did help guide this country forward after the tragic loss of our young, vibrant president, while enduring the most unspeakable personal tragedy.
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I used to pick up my GF at White & Case, the law firm, on W 45th off of 6th Ave, and I used to see her leaving the Double Day office. At night we would often bump into JFK JF and Darryl. My GF also lived in his building at 61 W 62nd St, before he moved downtown. I also bumped into them many times on the eastern side of Central Park near the Met. That seems like a long time ago. An amazing family.
Her husband had his brains blown out while she was sitting next to him and some of that brain matter splashed on her and her clothes. I think that's more than a qualifying event for PTSD all by itself.
In a similar situation, my husband was killed by a drunk driver and all I wanted to do was talk about it! for days on end, download trauma, no one wanted to hear. That's where counselors come in handy, they're the big ears for disturbing details. It replays in my head as I write this.
Thsnk you for another outstanding video. Jacqueline Kennedy Onasis was a remarkable women, she suffered a lot of loss and still stood strong it must have been hard for her.
One thing she did was, shortly after the death of her husband, the White House received high levels of mail from ordinary people all over the country, expressing their condolences. Jackie worked day and night to write back personally to each and every person who wrote her a letter. One 12 year old kid who lived in the Washington area, thought she would have financial problems and wrote to her, that she does babysitting and would babysit for John and Caroline for free. It took a few months, but she answered each and every letter to everybody who wrote to her. She knew they were trying to help her with her grief, so she tried to help them with theirs. With a lot of those letters she was deeply touched. Saw her in NYC once in the 60s. In New York City, for the most part, the people there leave famous people and celebrities alone and don't go up to them. One guy I know was picked for jury duty and Woody Allen was also picked for the same case. At the jury pole room, people glanced at him but no one went up to him.
If trying (unsuccessfully) to put your husband's brains back in his skull doesn't qualify one for PTSD then does one have to actually die themselves???
Another great analysis, Dr. Grande. Such a lovely woman. She and Rose Kennedy could surely commiserate with one another. It would be fascinating to hear your analysis of a very different person, and her reaction to losing the 2016 presidential election.
@@kayhoover6530 I am genuinely curious about an analysis of someone who can’t move on from Hillary. I’m NOT being sarcastic. I just don’t get it. What is with the obsession?
She handled it with great dignity and aplomb. I'd be interested to hear Dr. Grande's analysis of Donald Trump's tantrums when he loses. It will be hilarious.
Chapeau, doctor Grande! I have read several books about Jacqueline and must say you have nailed it! I admire, how simple and brilliant you can summarize facts and come to a logical analysis, that is so accurate. Tank you very much, for your hard work.
This was an amazing analysis Dr. G. You brought forth Jackie the person, and what she endured throughout the unprecedented tragedies she faced. Your analysis has made me pause and realize what a truly noble and courageous woman she was. Great video as always; thank you!
That is quite a conundrum: on the one hand to talk about one’s PTSD can be symptomatic, and on the other hand, to suppress one’s PTSD can also be symptomatic. Thank you.
The most amazing woman of class and distinction to ever walk the earth. When I heard that after her diagnosis of brain cancer she and her beloved son arranged her departure I knew she was incomparable. The only one close to her level of beauty and poise was Lady Dianna. In those days PTSD was called "shell shock". I'd say that she had that going through JFK, RFK and losing babies. In that time women were taught to never let on to others what they were going through.
Careful there, Crockett Commentary... no doubt whatsoever that Jacqueline Bouvier/Kennedy/Onassis was one-of-a-kind in many ways: so steadfastly determined, talented, strong and beautiful but to describe her as 'the most amazing woman of class and distinction to ever walk the earth' is, in my opinion, a very big stretch. Words matter.
@@bethyundt well I felt that about her. It's my opinion. I don't have it because I want others to agree with me. I could be wrong if there is.such a thing as having a wrong opinion. Grace Kelly WAS pure class IMHO. TO see dazzling Jack with Jackie on his arm was like royalty. Words matter. Yes they do. My words are to share my thoughts. The way she handled her husband's murder was also.the reason I have such deep respect for her. Who do you think holds that title?
@Laura Streeter just looking at her son's honorable nature and concern for the human race was a testimony of her qualities. I just adored him as well. During these times when a cheating husband is exposed by a disgruntled ex I have to say her discretion in dealing with John's magnetism and charm was just amazing to me. He was such a.naughty boy.
Thank you for highlighting the lives of those who often fall by the wayside in our memories. Countless documentaries are made about the most popular and influential, but it is rare we are given a chance to look upon those in the shadows beneath a spotlight. Another great presentation indeed.
@@therealmrsruttle Dr. Grande mentioned the stillborn daughter. He failed to mention JFK and Jacqueline's beloved first and last surviving child, Caroline.
@@mikedem755 I'm sure it was a mistake. We all know Dr. Grande wouldn't have left her out intentionally or thought she didn't count. Is this your first time watching this channel?
THANK YOU for touching on preconceived notion that some people have about PTSD patients not talking about their traumas. Talking about the precipitating traumatic events isn't necessarily triggering for all of those with PTSD. As a healthcare professional with PTSD, I actually like talking about my diagnosis when appropriate and, to a degree, opening up about my traumas. In a way, my opening up about it signifies my own personal healing. It took me years of DBT, CBT, EMDR, meditation, and medication titrations to get here.
She did have depressive episodes when married to JFK. But, that may well have been due to his daliances and constant travelling due to his political career. Their marriage began to blossom in the White House. They begin to grow together as a couple- and I think for the first time- JFK actually began to fall in love with her. Patrick's death in Aug. 1963 drew them closer- which makes his tragic death a few months later even more soul crushing.
As a nurse having worked in psychiatry for years I found this video very interesting. I grew up during Jackie's era as First Lady and admired her greatly. I have probably every book written about her.....just was always endlessly fascinated by her! Thank you for giving us your take on this remarkable woman. in particular the extreme high points she experienced with tragic events all happening at the same time and how that affected her.
I appreciate your sensitive portrayal for Jacqueline Onassis. It’s very interesting to see certain parallels in personality with my mother. (I hope, after so many years, that I’ve grown in compassion & love.) Mom identified w Mrs Kennedy quite a bit, but her suffering was of a different cause. During that period, women were really encouraged to maintain the status quo, never rock the boat, look lovely & make polite conversation. Seeing a therapist was out of the question. Time passes. And family scars follow through the generations until someone can let it go & forgive.
Jackie was in a group of people who were asked "If you could be anyone or anything, who would you be or what would you do?" When it was her turn to answer, she said "A bird." Her husband Jack was once asked to describe his wife in one word. He thought a minute and then said "Fey." "Fey" is a very interesting word---with several meanings and connotations---some quite dark. Jackie once described herself as a "living wound." She had more than her share of traumas but she kept her dignity and the one character trait she possessed that backed up all the others was courage. Good common sense certainly served her well. Dr. Grande, this is an excellent video, done with sensitivity and respect for its subject.
Thank you for your empathic explanation of a woman who coped with an unbelievable amount of tragedy. I cannot imagine how difficult that would have been.
I got emotional watching this. When I heard she died so young, it kinda made sense. I think there's only so much a person can take. Thank you for this video. I learned more about Jackie but also about the power of PTSD. I hope she at peace. Stay safe Dr. G and all the best to you and the fam
A woman who endured an inordinate amount of trauma. She managed to carry it publicly with grace but who knows what private suffering she endured? It cannot be underestimated. She stood as an icon of exceptional beauty, intelligent and a strong work ethic. Few of us who watched her as we grew could even hope to attain that level of accomplishment. She stood apart and above, with tremendous restraint. I wonder if she ever had anyone with whom she could really unleash her grief, her fears and her trauma reaction. And, in those days, in the circles she moved as well as her connection with so many important political figures, few would have intervened. I am pretty sure she felt utterly alone most of the time. And, as you mention, PTSD was not even a "thing" when she was going through the death of her husband and her brother in law. There was just an incredible amount of horrible incidents piled on in this woman's life and I was amazed at her positive choice to become a working editor and publisher! What a woman. There are few people like that in our lives. I wish she could have had the right kind of compassionate therapy, but her experiences played out in the most public arena imaginable, and as I said, few probably had the courage to approach her to give her help. And, she might have refused it anyway.
Always adored her and one reason is how much grace and strength she carried. Nice video, as a reminder of her virtues although she struggled too. R.I.P. First Lady, Jacqueline. 🙏🏽💕
Excellent analysis, historical and psychological. I do not believe I would have liked her on a personal level, but she was heroic in many ways. Thank you for your presentation.
Incredible. The courage, grace and dignity she demonstrated in the face of immeasurable loss was remarkable. Reflecting on her resilience and ability to persevere brought to mind a quote by Viktor Frankl from one of my favourite books "Man's Search For Meaning" that read: "Everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms-to choose one's attitude in any given situation, to choose one's own way." As always, many thanks for this compassionate and thoughtful analysis including the mental health aspects relating to MDD and PTSD!
Jackie suffered more tragedy in her short life that anyone should have to endure. She was intelligent, beautiful, classy, and full of grace. Jack’s affairs were the Least of her worries. In fact they are typical for powerful, wealthy men in all walks of life.
You are rocking it Dr Grande....soon you will be rounding the bend to 500K subscribers 🙌!! I loved the sensitive and thoughtful manner in which you analyzed Jackie O...she was such an elegant lady🌹 Thank you 🙏
You did an excellent task gathering information on Jackie. As well putting it together in a succinct and enjoyable narrative. I'm going to continue to search through your older reviews. This really one was nostalgic from all the literature I read about her in the 80's.
Thank-you Dr. Grande for such an insightful analysis. It seems that we are seeing a woman who has great strength and carries on, if not for herself, for her children and her husband. To be a person of such strong character is no small thing and I think we will always wonder how despite or because of such great adversity a great woman emerged. Thank-you again.
Considering what Jackie went through she held up admirably. She needed to talk about what happened to heal. It would have been worse if she didn’t talk. Through all her trauma she was only just her authentic human self. She probably needed to be a little aloof to protect herself and her kid’s privacy. There will never be another Jackie ❤️
My husband and I were in Spain the day she died - everyone there grieved so much for her - she proved to have, in spite of all her suffering, tremendous style, grace and courage - she would go horseback riding there, impressed everyone. RIP, Jackie.
I think her illness and death at a young 64 is the manifestation of many years of grief and trauma. It took a horrible toll on her body. God bless her soul, I hope she is at peace now.
She wss a chain smoker too
Yes, a smoker. But it was lymphatic. Lymph system is the gatekeeper. Lymph stopped dead with that extreme tragedy. She being pulled in both directions, mothering hormones while suppressing grief and doubtless anger and rage.
She was ideal weight, no yo-yo dieting which is not healthy.
Bobby died too, can't say it came back, probably never left.
We are privileged to have had her beauty and grace.
She probably wrote proper thank you cards in her own hand…to the angels.
She also smoked
Non-Hodgkin lymphoma is often associated to heavy smoking, which unfortunately, she did do for decades. Dx in Jan, gone in May. Very sad, she was an amazing woman .
@@LibertyStation92106 She held us together. We were so busy watching her and her young children, it was a distraction for anything else,.
It was as if the earth stopped spinning. The shock was felt world over.
Jackie Kennedy with her dignified solemn carriage, set the moment in history.
She planned all elements of the funeral, to include the Riderless Horse,
tall boots backwards in the stirrups. As primitive as camera and sound were, the squeaks of the leather and sound of the hooves could be heard.
Good evaluation. I met Jackie in a diner (EJ's Luncheonette) on 3rd avenue in Manhattan in 1993. She sat right next to my friend at a double-top table with her grand daughter. They both sat facing the plate glass window with their backs to all the gawking diners. She said to my friend, Barbara, "Ooh, those look delicious what did you order?" My friend didn't recognize her at first regardless of my shin kicking under the table to get her to realize who was speaking to her. My friend responded to Jackie, "Chocolate chip pancakes - they're amazing". She then realized whom she was speaking with when she heard her breathy voice. I noticed she seemed avoidant of all the gawking diners behind her and her physical posturing was somewhat rigid. I also have CPTSD and posture in a very similar fashion as others I know with the condition. She was a wonderful, generous, elegant lady that a professional may visibly see was traumatized by the events of her past. Thank you for honoring her with this delicate evaluation.
Wonderful and generous.
Well many people can say she was a very nasty woman.
I should know!
@@fatimateresa19. ???
@@fatimateresa19
You knew her personally?
@@StAlphonsusHasAPosse and did you? Not , but it’s vox populi she was very nasty lady and treated others that she deemed inferior disgustingly.
She killed her husband.
Jacqueline had an interesting and incredibly tragic life. I’m grateful she never knew that her son would die so young… 💔
She knows now!
She told him don’t fly. He may not have had the personality for it.
@@LL-lj1kq He didn’t have the right personality to fly. Plus his paternal uncle Joe Kennedy, Jr., was killed on a risky bombing mission in Europe in World War II. A few years later, Joe, Jr. and JFK’s sister Kathleen, who was living in England with her very wealthy aristocratic British husband, was killed, along with her husband on a private plane crash on the way to Europe. In the 1960s, John’s uncle, Sen. Ted Kennedy, was badly injured in a small plane crash. Jackie was completely spooked- in fact I believe all John’s relatives were frightened at the thought that John, while a decent guy, was just too risk-taking and ADD to safely fly. I’m sure his sister was terrified when he took up flying after his mother died. Even his wife Carolyn was very nervous flying with John though she did appreciate being able to avoid the public and the paparazzi they often encountered at major airports. In fact, when they went up to Hyannis Port or Martha’s Vineyard, Carolyn would usually drive up rather than fly with John. If only she and her sister Lauren had done so that fatal weekend.
He was a very reckless person and major risk taker. A long time girlfriend wrote a book about him. It's a miracle he lived as long as he did.
I was so upset that he died in the plane crash. He was about to announce his future plans to go into politics. What a waste.
I was working as a waiter in a west side restaurant in 1985. Mrs. Onassis along with two jr. assistants from her publishing house arrived . She was seated in my section by the kitchen ( what was the hostess thinking ?) we were incredibly busy with the pre - theater crowd. She was soft spoken and gracious through out . The standard of deportment for any public figure. IMHO. She left a generous gratuity .
Was she attractive
@@pegsullivan2299 Yes. Very.
I saw her in Concord, MA, Caroline attended Concord Academy. She was quite tall, ( her listed height is 5'7" but she appeared taller). and a bit haggard for early 40s. She was a more than a pack a day smoker... (might've contributed to birth issues).
@@pegsullivan2299 Yes ,very
Smoking and drinking ages both men and women. If I had been through as much abuse and trauma as Jackie, I would not give up my smokes.
I’ve suffered from ptsd and reliving the trauma in a loop, both in my mind and by talking about it with people close to me, was a big part of it. I can’t imagine Jackie NOT having PTSD after what she went through.
Dr. G. JFK died in 1963. I'm old enough to remember the event. My poor mom was very upset about it, because that same day, the president visited the military base where she worked in San Antonio, TX. Jackie has always intrigued me, thanks for your analysis.
What a a sensitive and thoughtful evaluation of Jackie’s mental health.
Her husband's head blew apart in her hands, while she was under gunfire. She said that she couldn't even remember crawling back over the car trunk to retrieve parts of his brain. I wouldn't doubt PTSD at all.
Yes, who has had to deal with your husband's head being blown apart while sitting next to him in a car in a public place? I can't even imagine what she went through for probably years after. Thank God JFK Jr. Was killed AFTER his mother's death. She was a lovely proud lady.
That’s so heartbreaking.
Kimberly, I think she was trying to escape the car as anyone might who had just witnessed someone's head explode next to them.
@@helenhealy3190 that's what I had always believed, too. Then I saw a still photo where she appeared to have a piece of it in her hand, and the Dr, who had treated JFK said that she handed it to him. She literally walked up to him in the ER and put it in his hand. Robert Hibbert mentions this interview in the first reply under my comment. I have seen that video, too, or one like it.
In later interviews, she said that she didn't remember doing all that, though she had seen the footage, and knew that she had.
I can't even imagine what that's like. Women were so dependent on men then too. I would be surprised if she didn't have ptsd.
Beautiful tribute to Jackie. She was once a photographer and roving reporter. Later an editor. I think she was trained to be an observer, and this is why she expressed herself so well. She had a lot of willpower, too. She went out to lunch with a friend during her cancer treatment and had never eaten more than a bite of dessert. This time she told her friend let's get the whole tray and eat it all!
I remember reading, probably in the 80s, what her favorite lunch was in some NY restaurant. Steak a Poivre, salad, and for desert a coffee and ONE Godiva chocolate.
A life both wonderful and hard. She lived her life with grace and class.
Shocked that you left Caroline out. Her parents were so proud of her, and Caroline proved to be a beloved and attentive daughter, so conscientious and a comforting support to her mother.
That was weird, and bad reporting... not that it mattered, I drifted off after a while with the video...
SHOCKING!!!! To forget the child who is still alive??
I may be wrong, but I think he limited himself to mentioning the major traumatic events in her life. That may be why her daughter's name didn't come up.
@@ro9432 That may be the reason.....
Perhaps it was also *respectful* to not remind Caroline of all that tragedy, to not be one more person to keep connecting her to it.
She went through so much in hindsight: multiple losses of life, witnessing a murder, riding the highs of fame and fortune... It was quite a rollercoaster to say the least
Not only PTSD, but probably C-PTSD. Repeated trauma, a lot of tragedy, loss, sadness. She was a lovely, graceful, strong, long suffering, kind lady, in spite of it all. Life is so messed up sometimes...
Full of the devil. That’s something I can identify with!
How could the poor woman not have had PTSD. I’ll always remember the photo of her in bloody clothes witnessing LBJ’s swearing in. Just so tragic.
Thank you for this compassionate analysis, sir.
A possible cause of her death on a physical note would be that she dyed her hair practically every day... not one grey hair on her head, which may have contributed to the lymphoma.
When it comes to the devil part I think he was trying to say or should have said that she had to stand next to the devil while he was being sworn in after her husband was killed
@@americajanson8848 the devil reference was from her teacher-Jacki when she was a school girl.
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@@zevoni
Hey Hey LBJ
How many kids did you kill today?
I have worked with elderly people with dementia, and something that I noticed is that in quite a few cases, what they were dealing with stemmed from untreated trauma and grief. The generation I speak of had lived through two world wars and the Great Depression, and they were really conditioned to put on a stiff upper lip, and to put it behind get on with things. It seems that as they got older, and frailer, that ability to keep those things under wraps became more difficult and it all surfaced. It’s a horrible thing to see, I had one lady who lived a house fire that occurred when she was a child, over and over...and another who lost a child, always panicking because her husband was out drinking and wouldn’t be home fast enough to get the child to the hospital. It made me realise the importance of grief and trauma counselling at the time rather than leaving things to fester, because we don’t heal without help. PTSD can be, and often is the result of cumulative events, and can catch you by surprise. Death by a thousand cuts as a dear friend of mine would have said. All the best.
One of my best friends died of dementia a month ago at age 61. 13 years after her son died and she immediately started loosing her memory. The only blessing was after about 5 years she stopped crying every day. Fir the next 6 years her short term memory was shot but we could have a good time laughing about old times. The last year she was bedridden and completely out if it. I was sad to loose her, but I was happy that she was finally released from her broken mind and her life's tragedies of which there had been many.
I just related to a friend of my CPTSD and past ten years of the worst in a life of so much as a “ death by a thousand cuts”. In ten years I’ve gone from looking ten years younger than my age & feeling pretty good to knowing my life has been shortened from trauma. There is much I could say about my decline and all the aging and inability to do much. Zero endurance, physically/mentally. I noticed my grandmothers swift decline after my mother’s unbelievable situation took a toll. Died of Alzheimer’s. I always believed stress like no other but serious loss and betrayal with no support and in fact the few you thought would be there for you can be deadly.
I’m most definitely experiencing a swift decline in my brain, memory, ability to communicate or remember anything really. It’s scary
@@ichibonfriend2923 thank you 🙏 your kindness is appreciated 🙌🏼
I think the United States owes her more than just memories and sympathy. She led the entire world through the three days of pain for his public funeral. She deserves some sort of medal or sign of appreciation.
What don’t be ridiculous. It was all about image management for her children’s legacy and her brothers in law. This disgusting overrated family already got more than enough passes through life and false accolades.
Agreed. We owe her great appreciation.
She had enormous grace and intelligence. She didn’t redecorate the White House, she had it restored, bringing furniture, precious objects and art back to where it had been.
Most people agree the First Lady is an important position, many think it should be salaried as well. Curated restoration by Jackie saved tens of thousands of dollars
with stunning results.
If interested, the CSpan series of First Ladies is excellent.
Jackie Kennedy has left a remarkable and lasting legacy that continues to resonate in American society and the world today.
Jackie Kennedy has left a remarkable and lasting legacy that continues to resonate in American society and the world today.
Jackie Kennedy has left a remarkable and lasting legacy that continues to resonate in American society and the world today.
She suffered lost her husband in a violent death She was beautiful and held on to her children Such strength I wish I had her mental strength to overcome life's bad moments
You are so gentle and kind with all the trauma this beautiful woman experienced in her life. Thank you Dr. Grande
Beautiful, really?
An excellent analysis. I’ve read that soon after JFK’s death, she confided to an Irish priest she felt close to that she was so depressed, she felt suicidal, but knew she needed to live for Caroline and John, who were still very young. Her Catholicism , I believe, was another factor in her deciding to live. It should also be added that Jackie’s father Jack Bouvier was also openly unfaithful, even in front of his two daughters. It was for this reason her mother divorced her father. So marital infidelity was rather a constant in her life. And I was somewhat stunned to read in a 2023 bio about her “Jackie: Public, Private and Secret” by J. Randy Taraborrelli that Jackie had the indicated to a psychiatrist that she couldn’t hate her husband because of the way he died - referring to her guilt about her understandable anger at his constant infidelity, as he had died so violently - although I believe she did love him, and he loved her. It has been said they were just beginning to grow close following their mutual deep grief at the loss of Patrick, which occurred in July 1963, just a few months before the assassination in Dallas on Nov. 22. That is an unbelievable amount of loss such a short time - especially considering that physically, she was also recovering from a Caesarean section child birth. Her Secret Service agent Clint Hill, who rushed to the presidential limousine to cover JFK and Jackie by lying over them, also suffered many years of guilt as he believed that had he reached the limo sooner, he might have stopped the fatal shot to JFK’s head. Hill is now in his early 90s and lives in the San Francisco Bay Area. He still is haunted by that day but is finally more forgiving of himself.
I love seeing the pictures of her when she was young,she appeared to have a kind heart and loved her children dearly.
“Pearls are always appropriate.” Jackie Kennedy
G P Tell that to the poor.
She's overrated.
@@ClepsidraSideral It was not her fault that she was born into privilege. She was not haughty about it.
Pearls are tears... and perhaps we should also remember that.
@@dianamarie5663 Exactly Diana! She went through a plethora of trials & tribulations. Yet, was still able to maintain grace under all of it. God doesn't care if someone is rich, or poor. It's all in their attitude, mindset.
Drs still tell women that garbage. The stress of quitting is worse on the child they say 🤔
Your commentary is truly clarifying and fascinating. I was 16 when JFK was elected president and there were endless articles on Jackie and Jack Kennedy during their epoch and many of us devoured all of them. Who would have thought that anything more was necessary. But what you have written here is astonishingly insightful and illuminating. Thank you so much.
I was 13 when JFK was killed. I admired Jacqueline's intelligence and her interest in not only the US, but the entire world. When she visited Angkor Wat, the Hindu temple site in Cambodia, I was thrilled to see what she saw. The women of that time were mostly interested in getting married/having babies so it was inspiring to me as a young girl wishing to escape Nebraska and see the world. I have always admired adventurous women and I grew up to be one.
We saw she had talents, too. She wrote, watercolored, spoke several languages. She was smart, researched and developed expertise in American artifacts when historically restoring the White House. I was so afraid that the Trumps would undo something important.
Jackie Kennedy was the best First Lady we ever had. She was intelligent, dedicated to the cause of her husband and to the general goodwill of the American People and all people world wide. Her behavior the day of the Assassination was phenomenal. Covered with her husband's blood when she got back to Air Force one, she was urged to change her clothes and wash up. Her reply to that suggestion was: "Let them see what they have done!" To me, this conveyed clear assertive presence of mind at a time when most women in her situation would have been in a daze. She represented herself well in the following days weeks months and years. To this day, those old enough to remember her, miss her still. She was as famous as her husband by being the most beautiful, lovely, loving, and caring First Lady we ever had.
Being recently diagnosed with PTSD and MDD and living it for 3+ decades, I feel very sad for the suffering that she endured. Dying at 64, probably still depressed, is a real tragedy as well Rip dear Jackie O. You are finally at peace.
I hope your diagnosis leads to a treatment plan that works for you 💕 I have both as well, only recently started feeling like I’m having a breakthrough after 2 decades.
@@sourgreendolly7685 I'm sorry to read that you have also struggled and for quite a long time. It surprises me that I'm still alive at 53. I never thought I'd live so long.
Treatment will begin shortly. Covid is stalling things however we have a plan and I have more support now than I have ever had.
@Paul Wieringa Sorry to hear that Paul. Losing your mama at a young age is so devastating. Insomnia is very frustrating and I hope you try to be good to yourself sometimes.
I was thinking about you and your insomnia...have you tried taking Magnesium Glycinate a couple of hours before bed? It works well for some ppl. It helped me for the first week then it dn. Quetiapine is what I take.
@@littlelulu4107 Seroquel!
I knew her…she was so grateful for her life…to me she was an extremely optimistic person…I really wasn’t a fan but after meeting her I found her very warm and open to me. When I think of her now I realize that I love her very much.
"full of the devil" sounds like 1930s for "has a mind of her own and isn't afraid to use it"
😂😂, sounds like didn't take crap from anyone.
@@vickyfaul3160 She took plenty of crap from Jack(his women) and shut up about it.
It could also mean that she did a few minor pranks and chewed gum in class. Back then, chewing gum was on the official list of worst offenses, and childish pranks were treated as serious problems. They made mountains out of molehills.
Especially if she went to Catholic school.
I LOVE your comment!! Someone has done their homework on how most women were treated, no matter the class, back in the past. I think of the poor mothers who had to endure the sex, not love making, husbands had with their wives, having 8, 9, 10 children, like my Saint of a Grandmother, had to endure.
Fathers rarely changed a damn diaper.
Dr Grande, I'd love to see one on Ethel Kennedy, Robert Kennedy's widow. She endured some of the same hardships as Jackie but reacted so different. She is a complicated but extremely strong woman, I'd love to see a video about her.
Ethel said in the recent documentary about her..."No one gets a free ride"..so true!
*differently
Wasnt she a gold digger?
@@robd1329 She came from a wealthy family herself.
Ethel didn't hold a candle to the beautiful, elegant, intelligent, cultured First Lady.
Remember that Onassis dumped Maria Callas for Jackie :-(
She lived a privileged but tragic life, and
l can’t blame her for any negative feelings she may have gained about the United States after dealing with so much violent death.
I believe that Onassis, the Greek Isles, and time lived on the Mediterranean Sea, was a calming escape for her, at least for a period of time.
Thanks Dr. Grande. I think you are spot on in this episode.
We all learn so much from you!
Her mission was to kill Ari as she was CIA so she did the next best thing and had his son killed. She also spied on Bobby and she participated in killing her husband.
@@tiahenry4743please take your meds.
@@Villapallenberg No, there's actually a book on Amazon that goes over the killing of JFK. It's called Killer Queen. Also, the band Queen wrote a song about Jackie called Killer Queen. At first I didn't believe it either but after I read it I believe. Both Jackie and her sister were CIA assets and Allen Dulles head of the CIA at the time was Jackie's handler. Jackie married JFK to spy on him, then she spied on Bobby and her third mission was to have Ari killed. Ari signed a deal with the Saudis to ship their oil and Nixon told the CIA to kill the bastard. Jackie made the excuse she had to leave the country because they were killing Kennedy's. She spent 9 months out of the year in New York City while married to Onassis. She had Ari's son's plane rigged so it would crash. That killed Ari's spirit and 2 years later he died. He wanted to divorce Jackie but died before he could do it. Christina Ari's daughter who knew Jackie was behind her brother's killing made sure Jackie only got a quarter of the estate as opposed to half. In the zapruder film you can see a cloud of smoke coming from the left side of JFK's head. When Jackie climbed onto the back of the limo she was retrieving part of JFK's brain to hide evidence. When Bobby was killed by CIA she pushed Ethel to the side at the hosptial in the hallway and went into Bobby's room and unplugged life support. It's so funny that most don't believe this stuff but it's true to the core.
No dump; still carried on with her.
Very compassionate providing new insights into her life
She was beauty and grace. She was a role model for young women of that era. I admired her more than any woman in our history of that time. When I had a similar type of loss at age 19, I drew on her courage and example as my own behavior and to carry me through. Great analysis.
Tina Turner also said she was her role model! Timeless class!
I believe that November 22 ,1963 had a significant impact on her mental health that lasted the rest of her life. She may not have been a physical casualty but she was an emotional casualty
saw her in NYC in 1968...Her beauty was beyond comprehension...flawless..like a doll. Thank you Dr. Gramde for this comprehensive evaluation... Excellent!
Your analysis of Jackie Onassis was interesting and enlightened. I remember that many people seemed to be disappointed in her for marrying Onassis. I thought she was looking for ‘surcease of sorrow’ and a buffer between herself and the attention of the world. She needed to rest, but I doubt that she got much.
I do feel it's a blessing that she was not alive to endure the death and the aftermath of her son, John. She'd been through enough. On a different note, I love Dr. Grande's line about Jackie's father: "He had some trouble regulating his intake of alcohol." I believe another way to phrase this would be: "He was a drunk." Made me laugh so hard! I love circumlocution!!!!!
This may be AI. His speaking doesn't match his lip movement. Also, it's very methodical, the way AI speakers tend to be.
I don't know how Jackie could have not had PTSD. Shortly after losing a baby, who lived for only a few days, she experienced the horrible assassination of her husband who died in her lap. I think it was her first outing after the death of the baby, one of three she had lost. All one has to do is watch that video of her crawling on the back of the car , reaching for the Secret Service agent. Then, she lost another supportive family member to assassination just five years later. I was 16 and home sick the day the President's assassination occurred and it affected me for many years and I was just a teen member of the public.
She was going after a piece of skull that was slithering off the Lincoln's trunk.
To Mrs. Kennedy-Onassis’ eternal credit, while she was “figuring it out, largely on her own,” there was never a visible ripple on the stream of that classic demeanor! Thoughtful analysis. Very kind of Dr. Grande in an era of “Dem” defamation.
Her life was met with numerous tragedies, yet se always seemed to remain composed, have always admired Jackie
My mother has been through a lot of trauma. She was diagnosed with PTSD. It helps her to talk about her trauma.
Jackie lived in a time when mental health issues were stigmatized; and if they were brought to attention, it was the most extreme cases where patients were institutionalized. Thank God mental health is becoming more acceptable to talk about today.
Oh man I can’t imagine the pain she felt having been in her position. This is one of your best analysis and I very much appreciate your study of her, it was deep. Good job and keep it up!!
With a blatant omission, though. . . .
@@Tiesquel what do you mean?
@@jameswaysayquom9237 He never mentioned her having a daughter....
@@Tiesquel oh yeah
That was terrific analysis of Mrs. Onassis. She was a wonderful, classy lady. The very epitome of class.
Lady? Look close & check out the bathing suit pictures. Sorry to drag you out of Platos Cave this way but I am tired of the WICKED SPELLS.
Thank you,!!! I asked you to do Jackie, only you can do her justice, thank you, yet again you get better, and better!!! 🐶🐶🐶🐶
I waited for this one, another beautiful woman who had everything to have an incredible life however her life was filled with sadness and tragedy.
@ As widowed Jackie O, in her last years, she kept company with a married man, a wealthy Jewish jeweler.
@ They lived together in her apartment on 5th Ave. Maurice Templesman's wife would not give him a divorce. I don't think we can use modern standards to evaluate her life. Children were very important to her. If parents today got married before children, everything would be better. Women got married back then. There's no chance she wouldn't have married, especially given her social class.
@ Oh. That's different.
To avalanche. I so agree, except to note that a woman's looks will make a man love her. As a reader, i note how often a man, real or fictional "falls in love" and often stays so lifelong by initially observing a woman's looks. I've never understood it, but it seems to be a real phenomenon. Then, luckily for the man, most women have sweetness, sociality and service in place to cement the "love"
Isn't it odd how that works.
Oh, I‘d still like to see your analysis of Jacquie‘s aunt and cousin, Big Edie and Litte Edie, the Beales of Grey Gardens. What a bizarre story! I still can‘t decide what was up, narcisstic mother? Folie a deux?
I'd love to see that one if he makes it
Yes please do the Beals!!!!!! I tried searching for utube videos to analyze the problems those ladies have but all there is people praising them and cult following everything from Little Edie's fashions to her "great talents".Please talk truth about that disfunction because it was a sad existence in reality removing the notoriety.
@@denisevander-heyden1135 YT is very "selective" about which videos the recommend.
Great idea! I find them fascinating.
@david lincoln brooks What puzzles me was that Little Edie went on to live a quiet, apparently normal life in totally clean apartments (in Oakland because she had family there and her last years in Florida). She even didn't own cats any longer. Big Edie however was apparently almost disowned by her father(?) because of scandalous behavior. Her sons tried to persuade her to leave the mansion after her ex-husband died and maintenance became more and more difficult financially. I also read that she sabotaged Little Edie to get married and guilted her into staying with her because as a (bald) spinster she had no chances to survive "decently" any other way. But damn, that were cruel times for women, even for upper class ladies, back then:/
I went through a personal trauma & during it and in dealing with the aftermath I simply carried on but when the dust settles, then comes the devastating sadness
Given Jackie’s time as an aware, intelligent women seems she never had the resources and support to deal properly with all her “ brokenness and completeness
“…..kind of sad, but she still managed to accomplish quite a bit………..she’s like a character out of some classic drama or opera……with class………
Rest In Peace, Jackie Kennedy Onassis………be well with the angels and Saints, who you always appreciated!!!………
Thank you for zeroing in on Mrs. Kennedy's PTS. She went through more suffering than one can imagine as President Kennedy was being wounded. Who can forget that image of the first lady climbing on the back of the motorcade to retrieve part of her husband's brain. I often wonder that perhaps this is why she died sort of young. Yes she had cancer, but maybe the stressed caused the cancer to develop. Thank you once again Dr. Grande for your analysis.
I believe it was in 2019 that Vanity Fair had an article on Jacqueline in one of its monthly issues. The article reported that she was on the verge of suicide after John Kennedy's assassination. She also sort of lived life in a fishbowl, being the object of so much curiosity. It says something about her inner strengths that she was able to avoid going completely nuts.
I completely agree with you...she had an inner sense of selfcontrol and calm that helped her throughout all her life...I admire her very much...
Most people would be on antidepressants and in therapy for many years after experiencing such an emotionally horrific event
@@lindaeasley5606 And you don't know that she wasn't.
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I wasn't trying to suggest that she wasn't. Just trying to convey what a traumatizing life she endured
I did read that she was on some kind of medication. She did suffer from insomnia and it wouldn't surprise if she saw a mental health expert
Maybe, just maybe her faith carried her through these troubled times...
*You skipped Caroline!* She was born in 1957. C'mon now...
I think Dr. G accidentally edited that part out when he made the video.
@@christinamarie1926 maybe 😅
Thanks for pointing that out...I hope Caroline doesn't watch this!
I thought I must have missed Caroline.
He left out much of her past.
Jackie Kennedy will forever be a symbol of beauty, intelligence, grace and class. She did help guide this country forward after the tragic loss of our young, vibrant president, while enduring the most unspeakable personal tragedy.
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I used to pick up my GF at White & Case, the law firm, on W 45th off of 6th Ave, and I used to see her leaving the Double Day office. At night we would often bump into JFK JF and Darryl. My GF also lived in his building at 61 W 62nd St, before he moved downtown. I also bumped into them many times on the eastern side of Central Park near the Met. That seems like a long time ago. An amazing family.
Her husband had his brains blown out while she was sitting next to him and some of that brain matter splashed on her and her clothes. I think that's more than a qualifying event for PTSD all by itself.
She was the one who fired the lst shot.
In a similar situation, my husband was killed by a drunk driver and all I wanted to do was talk about it! for days on end, download trauma, no one wanted to hear. That's where counselors come in handy, they're the big ears for disturbing details. It replays in my head as I write this.
Thsnk you for another outstanding video. Jacqueline Kennedy Onasis was a remarkable women, she suffered a lot of loss and still stood strong it must have been hard for her.
One thing she did was, shortly after the death of her husband, the White House received high levels of mail from ordinary people all over the country, expressing their condolences. Jackie worked day and night to write back personally to each and every person who wrote her a letter. One 12 year old kid who lived in the Washington area, thought she would have financial problems and wrote to her, that she does babysitting and would babysit for John and Caroline for free. It took a few months, but she answered each and every letter to everybody who wrote to her. She knew they were trying to help her with her grief, so she tried to help them with theirs. With a lot of those letters she was deeply touched.
Saw her in NYC once in the 60s. In New York City, for the most part, the people there leave famous people and celebrities alone and don't go up to them. One guy I know was picked for jury duty and Woody Allen was also picked for the same case. At the jury pole room, people glanced at him but no one went up to him.
If trying (unsuccessfully) to put your husband's brains back in his skull doesn't qualify one for PTSD then does one have to actually die themselves???
I was thinking the same thing.
me too?,.
not every horrible event leads to ptsd
That's what makes this story so heartbreaking. Part of Jackie died that day along with JFK.
Another great analysis, Dr. Grande. Such a lovely woman. She and Rose Kennedy could surely commiserate with one another.
It would be fascinating to hear your analysis of a very different person, and her reaction to losing the 2016 presidential election.
@Gregory ValensLuv 2nd YT Channel Indeed. Therefore, calling on Dr. Grande.
I'd love Dr. Grande to analyze Shillary Clinton
@Gregory ValensLuv 2nd YT Channel Very good points. With that attitude, you surely have enjoyed many conversations in life.
@@kayhoover6530 I am genuinely curious about an analysis of someone who can’t move on from Hillary. I’m NOT being sarcastic. I just don’t get it. What is with the obsession?
She handled it with great dignity and aplomb. I'd be interested to hear Dr. Grande's analysis of Donald Trump's tantrums when he loses. It will be hilarious.
Chapeau, doctor Grande! I have read several books about Jacqueline and must say you have nailed it! I admire, how simple and brilliant you can summarize facts and come to a logical analysis, that is so accurate. Tank you very much, for your hard work.
This was an amazing analysis Dr. G. You brought forth Jackie the person, and what she endured throughout the unprecedented tragedies she faced. Your analysis has made me pause and realize what a truly noble and courageous woman she was. Great video as always; thank you!
That is quite a conundrum: on the one hand to talk about one’s PTSD can be symptomatic, and on the other hand, to suppress one’s PTSD can also be symptomatic. Thank you.
The most amazing woman of class and distinction to ever walk the earth.
When I heard that after her diagnosis of brain cancer she and her beloved son arranged her departure I knew she was incomparable. The only one close to her level of beauty and poise was Lady Dianna.
In those days PTSD was called "shell shock". I'd say that she had that going through JFK, RFK and losing babies. In that time women were taught to never let on to others what they were going through.
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Careful there, Crockett Commentary... no doubt whatsoever that Jacqueline Bouvier/Kennedy/Onassis was one-of-a-kind in many ways: so steadfastly determined, talented, strong and beautiful but to describe her as 'the most amazing woman of class and distinction to ever walk the earth' is, in my opinion, a very big stretch. Words matter.
@@bethyundt well I felt that about her.
It's my opinion. I don't have it because I want others to agree with me. I could be wrong if there is.such a thing as having a wrong opinion. Grace Kelly WAS pure class IMHO. TO see dazzling Jack with Jackie on his arm was like royalty. Words matter. Yes they do. My words are to share my thoughts. The way she handled her husband's murder was also.the reason I have such deep respect for her.
Who do you think holds that title?
@Laura Streeter just looking at her son's honorable nature and concern for the human race was a testimony of her qualities. I just adored him as well.
During these times when a cheating husband is exposed by a disgruntled ex I have to say her discretion in dealing with John's magnetism and charm was just amazing to me. He was such a.naughty boy.
Yes Jackie was amazing - strong and THE epitome of CLASS - my idol
Thank you for highlighting the lives of those who often fall by the wayside in our memories. Countless documentaries are made about the most popular and influential, but it is rare we are given a chance to look upon those in the shadows beneath a spotlight.
Another great presentation indeed.
Another beautiful and intelligent woman with a lot of sad experiences in her life.
If I may add: Jackie gave birth to a girl, Caroline in 1957.
And a stillborn daughter named Arabella. 😞
@@therealmrsruttle Dr. Grande mentioned the stillborn daughter. He failed to mention JFK and Jacqueline's beloved first and last surviving child, Caroline.
I guess Caroline doesn't count??
@@mikedem755 I'm sure it was a mistake. We all know Dr. Grande wouldn't have left her out intentionally or thought she didn't count. Is this your first time watching this channel?
No. S/he never had the children.
You spoil us, Dr. Grande! Really enjoy your work.😁
THANK YOU for touching on preconceived notion that some people have about PTSD patients not talking about their traumas. Talking about the precipitating traumatic events isn't necessarily triggering for all of those with PTSD. As a healthcare professional with PTSD, I actually like talking about my diagnosis when appropriate and, to a degree, opening up about my traumas. In a way, my opening up about it signifies my own personal healing. It took me years of DBT, CBT, EMDR, meditation, and medication titrations to get here.
Wondering if she was known to be depressed while married to jfk. If so, him being a serial adulterer would have contributed greatly.
Don’t forget she had more miscarriages (I think 2) that would have caused her to affected by PTSD.
The antecedent of all of this waa losing her adoring father
Yes he was sleeping around and wanted to divorce him.
cheating the 3 of them
She did have depressive episodes when married to JFK. But, that may well have been due to his daliances and constant travelling due to his political career. Their marriage began to blossom in the White House. They begin to grow together as a couple- and I think for the first time- JFK actually began to fall in love with her. Patrick's death in Aug. 1963 drew them closer- which makes his tragic death a few months later even more soul crushing.
As a nurse having worked in psychiatry for years I found this video very interesting. I grew up during Jackie's era as First Lady and admired her greatly. I have probably every book written about her.....just was always endlessly fascinated by her! Thank you for giving us your take on this remarkable woman. in particular the extreme high points she experienced with tragic events all happening at the same time and how that affected her.
I appreciate your sensitive portrayal for Jacqueline Onassis. It’s very interesting to see certain parallels in personality with my mother. (I hope, after so many years, that I’ve grown in compassion & love.)
Mom identified w Mrs Kennedy quite a bit, but her suffering was of a different cause.
During that period, women were really encouraged to maintain the status quo, never rock the boat, look lovely & make polite conversation. Seeing a therapist was out of the question.
Time passes. And family scars follow through the generations until someone can let it go & forgive.
Jackie was in a group of people who were asked "If you could be anyone or anything, who would you be or what would you do?" When it was her turn to answer, she said "A bird." Her husband Jack was once asked to describe his wife in one word. He thought a minute and then said "Fey." "Fey" is a very interesting word---with several meanings and connotations---some quite dark. Jackie once described herself as a "living wound." She had more than her share of traumas but she kept her dignity and the one character trait she possessed that backed up all the others was courage. Good common sense certainly served her well. Dr. Grande, this is an excellent video, done with sensitivity and respect for its subject.
Fey - a wise inner knowing
Thank you for your empathic explanation of a woman who coped with an unbelievable amount of tragedy. I cannot imagine how difficult that would have been.
I got emotional watching this. When I heard she died so young, it kinda made sense. I think there's only so much a person can take. Thank you for this video. I learned more about Jackie but also about the power of PTSD. I hope she at peace.
Stay safe Dr. G and all the best to you and the fam
Wow, that made me cry. Everything you said made perfect sense thank you for the analysis Dr G
A woman who endured an inordinate amount of trauma. She managed to carry it publicly with grace but who knows what private suffering she endured? It cannot be underestimated. She stood as an icon of exceptional beauty, intelligent and a strong work ethic. Few of us who watched her as we grew could even hope to attain that level of accomplishment. She stood apart and above, with tremendous restraint. I wonder if she ever had anyone with whom she could really unleash her grief, her fears and her trauma reaction. And, in those days, in the circles she moved as well as her connection with so many important political figures, few would have intervened. I am pretty sure she felt utterly alone most of the time. And, as you mention, PTSD was not even a "thing" when she was going through the death of her husband and her brother in law. There was just an incredible amount of horrible incidents piled on in this woman's life and I was amazed at her positive choice to become a working editor and publisher! What a woman. There are few people like that in our lives. I wish she could have had the right kind of compassionate therapy, but her experiences played out in the most public arena imaginable, and as I said, few probably had the courage to approach her to give her help. And, she might have refused it anyway.
She had a psychoanalysis which helped her tremendously.
Always adored her and one reason is how much grace and strength she carried. Nice video, as a reminder of her virtues although she struggled too. R.I.P. First Lady, Jacqueline. 🙏🏽💕
Excellent analysis, historical and psychological. I do not believe I would have liked her on a personal level, but she was heroic in many ways. Thank you for your presentation.
Incredible. The courage, grace and dignity she demonstrated in the face of immeasurable loss was remarkable. Reflecting on her resilience and ability to persevere brought to mind a quote by Viktor Frankl from one of my favourite books "Man's Search For Meaning" that read: "Everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms-to choose one's attitude in any given situation, to choose one's own way." As always, many thanks for this compassionate and thoughtful analysis including the mental health aspects relating to MDD and PTSD!
Thank you Dr. G.This takes me back....
Another fascinating subject.
Dr Grande I missed this one but am so glad it came up on my feed, I had asked you to do it!! Thank you!!!!!
Congratulations Dr. Grande for 500k!!
Jackie Kennedy, such a beautiful and full of life woman. Tragic though what she had been through. Loved this video, another great one.
Jackie suffered more tragedy in her short life that anyone should have to endure. She was intelligent, beautiful, classy, and full of grace. Jack’s affairs were the
Least of her worries. In fact they are typical for powerful, wealthy men in all walks of life.
Beautifully said.
OMG sitting in that car when her husband was shot must have been horrifying for her.....devastating. PTSD definitely. We love you Jackie and miss you.
SHEEPLE, thats no lady. Take an anatomy class. Yes, the Big Club of Baphomets.
Also the previous events, miscarriage and dead-born children
A very classy lady. Very compassionate and a wonderful mother. Such a big contrast to the current FLOTUS.
Thanks. I really like your choices of topics for discussion.
You are rocking it Dr Grande....soon you will be rounding the bend to 500K subscribers 🙌!!
I loved the sensitive and thoughtful manner in which you analyzed Jackie O...she was such an elegant lady🌹
Thank you 🙏
500k subs !!🥰congrats! You’re the best and you deserve every one ☝️😁👏👏👏
I love watching your videos at the end of my workday, they're always really interesting. Great video as always, doc!
I love your videos. I always have them on and let them roll from one to the next. Its great informed entertainment. Thank you xo
So many misfortunes in her life, that’s really sad...🥺
Lovely video Dr. Grande!❤️
Toooo many
She was also quoted as saying "They kill Kennedys !" in anger and in protecting her children .
You did an excellent task gathering information on Jackie. As well putting it together in a succinct and enjoyable narrative. I'm going to continue to search through your older reviews. This really one was nostalgic from all the literature I read about her in the 80's.
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Thank-you Dr. Grande for such an insightful analysis. It seems that we are seeing a woman who has great strength and carries on, if not for herself, for her children and her husband. To be a person of such strong character is no small thing and I think we will always wonder how despite or because of such great adversity a great woman emerged. Thank-you again.
Considering what Jackie went through she held up admirably. She needed to talk about what happened to heal. It would have been worse if she didn’t talk. Through all her trauma she was only just her authentic human self. She probably needed to be a little aloof to protect herself and her kid’s privacy. There will never be another Jackie ❤️
Yes, they were both known all over the world and later mourned everywhere. Thanks Dr Grande. Love from New Zealand 🇳🇿🩷🩷💐🌺🙏🏼
A good follow up to this would be an even more intriguing member of the family Edith Bouvier Beal.
Is that big Edie from Grey gardens?
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Yes!!! Both the mom and daughter!!
Yes! Great suggestion!
Yes please!