Jeep JL Wrangler Steering Stabilizer Fox Performance Series 2.0 TS Installation
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- Опубликовано: 6 июн 2019
- Soon after installing a Synergy heavy duty drag link and tie-rod, Cindy and I had a number of people ask, why we didn't upgrade our steering stabilizer at the same time? The simple answer is, we just didn't feel the need for one. Fortunately, the new steering components and track bar we installed seemed to do a great job of firming things up and in all honestly, our OE stabilizer seemed to be doing its job just fine. But, after giving it some thought, I decided to contact Synergy, just to see if there might be something they would recommend to compliment their steering system and as I would come to find, a Fox Performance Series 2.0 TS is what they pointed me to. In this video, you'll get to see just how easy one is to install.
FROM FOX: Performance Series 2.0 Stabilizer TS
With conventional steering stabilizers, turning in one direction creates an increase in pressure inside the stabilizer as the shaft occupies more volume in the body and displaces the oil. The repercussion is a push or pull steering force felt by the driver as the stabilizer attempts to return to its neutral state. To overcome this unidirectional force, dual opposing stabilizers are often used, but this requires additional mounting hardware and space.
Derived from the FOX's original ATS stabilizer, the Performance Series 2.0 Stabilizer TS utilizes a Through Shaft (TS) architecture that eliminates shaft fluid displacement throughout the stabilizer's entire travel in both directions. By eliminating fluid displacement, the TS design delivers neutral and consistent damping of unwanted steering feedback. The result is unrivaled steering control at an unbelievable price point in a single, bolt-on stabilizer.
The Performance Series 2.0 Stabilizer TS includes application specific mounting hardware and is available in multiple clamp sizes for stock or aftermarket heavy duty tie-rods.
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Another informative video👍, you two take the time to produce quality video with DIY simple and easy to understand installs, service and repairs. Thank you for sharing. 👍👍👍
You provide the best install/demo videos. Congrats also on the 100,000+ subscribers.
Thank you so much. We're so happy to know that you enjoy our videos and appreciate the kind words :)
Man I really like your videos they are basically tutorials, but you make it look so easy, another thing I like is how clean you do your work !!!!
Thank you. I really do appreciate it :)
That JL with your improvements looks amazing. Thank you Eddie for another great video.
Glad you enjoyed the video :)
Another great install video. U always make it look so easy! Keep up the awesome work. Thanks again:)
LOL - always happy to help :)
Always great video and info. I look forward to them to apply to my jeep.
Awesome, glad you found it to be informative :)
Absolutely my go-to channel for how-to and products..
Happy to hear it, thank you.
Aloha Eddie. This was a terrific installation to strengthen the steering performance. Your Jeep is solid in it's steering and suspension for clearance too. Great video Eddie.👉🏼👈🏿🍊📼🔅🌟💥💫🤚✌🤙👏🙌👐🧐👀🐶🐕💪👌💡🐫🤜🤛
Thank you. Glad you enjoyed our video.
Good Job and well done,i apreciate your videos.
Awesome, thank you :)
Brown Santa just arrived with same box. Headed to garage with iPad so a pro can assist. Thanks Eddie!
Awesome! Hope our video helps you out :)
Nice one Eddie:) need that on my rr10 bomber lol...thumbs up!
DJ thats a great idea. I agree that would be cool
i'm very impressed with how the mopar lift rides with the fox shocks from jeep, this fox stabilizer might have to go on too. looking forward to a followup video with your impressions.
I'd be lying if I said there was a huge improvement with this steering stabilizer especially being that things were pretty good before installing it.
Thanks for the video. Helped me a lot....as I was about to throw some cash on some mechanics
Glad we could be of help.
Still recommend this set up (extended TB bolt and TR clamp w fox.pass thru stabilizer).
I'm leaning towards this for my install. Seems clean neat and not cumbersome. Great vids btw
Honestly, no. I have since found that the factory stabilizer is actually better. I would recommend installing a Synergy flip kit though.
Great video . I have a 2017 Jk unlimited rubicon hard rock . I have a 2.5 AEV suspension lift and I just put on the synergy tie rod and drag link. I ordered the fox stabilizer kit but when I got the kit it was not the same as yours . I got the synergy clamp you took off . When I installed it the shock was touching the bracket. I also didn’t get the sand bracket and no fox track bar bolt . I’m was wondering where you got yours an maybe you know why mine is touching an just dosent look right . There’s a lot of wrong an different info out there and it’s killing me because Wrong parts an a pain with the lack of tools I got lol . Please maybe send a link of your parts list if you get a chance . I’m outside Philly Pennsylvania not far away from Quadratec , so might go there tomorrow but I trust you more . Thanks again for the video 👍
Awesome outstanding job thanks
Great video thank you!
Hi thanks for another great video!. Is it only me or the music is very loud compared to voice. Have to put thumb over speaker since too loud at lowest setting!
No doubt fox makes one of the best products. I also installed the fox stabilizer on my jl, but I used the one that is adjustable for preference of steering feel, excellent product.
Great Nice details very good for our Knowledge improve
agree each his tastes, good videos 👍🏻
Glad you enjoyed the video :)
Great info thank you, I am just starting to experience significant wobble in my 2021 Rubi. This stabilizer is on my radar as i will be upgrading the track bar and tie rods from synergy that you also recommended. Go big or go home😎
So, this video is old and I should note, I would not recommend it, especially to help control a wobble. All you would be doing is masking the real problem. Assuming the wobble you're feeling is speed related, get your tires balanced. Even if you've already had them balanced, have them do it again as it's not uncommon to need more than one balancing with big off road tires, especially if they're made by a lower quality manufacturer.
@@wayalife yes i am going thru the correct steps for the wobble, balancing is needed again. However i did notice my tie rod has play in it so i decided to just replace the tie rod and track bar all at once and upgrade the stabilizer at the same time. just makes sense. I am running 37" tires. Thank you for your quick response.
If by play you mean a rotational movement, that is totally normal. A shifting side to side or up and down is not and means the TRE is worn out. I would double check to make sure your track bar bolts are tightened to 120 ft lbs of torque and assuming you have an aftermarket track bar, that the bushing isn't worn out. I would also check your ball joints as the factory ones tend to wear out quickly, especially when running wheels with less back spacing to clear 37" tires. That, more than anything is where your problem is coming from.
@@wayalife I am familiar with replacing worn out tie rods, this one is definitely worn out. I need to find the time to check the entire suspension including ball joints this weekend. and i bought a torque wrench months ago after watching one of your videos. Its time to unbox it. been busy creating how to videos of remodeling my house for my channel lol! ya don't need a torque wrench for that.
@@wayalife Update! It turns out my passenger front tire balance weights completely fell off. I took it back to the tire shop yesterday and they re balanced for free. the wobble did not comeback on the way home, Im checking the rest of my suspension this weekend.
I have a Jeep jk what are your honest opinions fox shocks vs king thanks another great video.
wonderful video....thanks
Awesome, glad you found it to be useful :)
Any thoughts an 1 ton steering drag bar and tie rods?
Hey Eddie, Love your videos... they are so easy to follow and the video quality is amazing. Did you use the JK Fox stabilizer instead of the JL Fox stabilizer. The mounting bracket on the fox stabilizer you used looks like the JK one.
Thank you. So glad to hear you enjoy our videos. We just installed what we got. If things have changed since then, that's news to me.
Loving all the videos of the upgrades going on the JL! I just picked up a 2019 in Mojito green. My other question is what is the dimension of your shop? I love how it is laid out. Looks like you have plenty of room to work and vehicle storage.
Our garage measures about 30x70
Haha rough test road...obviously haven't driven on Australian roads... our potholes have their own Zip/postal codes 😂😂
Kool vid, great product cheers for sharing 👍
People use a stabilizer as a fix for bad steering issues all the time. Especially with dual stabilizers on trucks. The reality is, the stabilizer should compliment a good setup. Not fix something that is off.
Couldn't agree more.
It can be, but it’s main job is to stop big sudden jolts it’s still very important unless you want your alignment jacked up every time you off-road.
Nice simple upgrade, I think FOX Shocks are the best
Yes I just had a Fox stabilizer in stalled on my wrangler sahara 2017 and 2 New Tires The Jeep Drives like New Thanks!!!
Eddie pimping ain't easy! Another great video to get me drooling as per usual.
After installing the mopar 2inch lift I noticed some bump steering, will the fox stabilizer alone helps solving that issues? Thanks
Yes it will dramatically. It is fully adjustable as well. Best modification you will notice the most.
What steering box revision do you have? 68250506AD? I heard that the box makes a big difference to steering feel but I only have the AC revision. Not sure if it’s worth the effort to pursue replacing with Jeep yet because Gladiators supposedly come with AE but the reviews I’ve seen online still show play in the steering wheel.
Not sure what we have but we do have one of the first JL's made. Never understood what all the fuss was about regarding the steering wheel as ours always seemed to be fine especially when compared to all our other Jeeps.
Hey Eddie! First, I just want to say thank you for all your amazing videos. You’ve helped me learn so much about my Jeep. Second, I have a few questions about installing this on my 21 JLUR with 35s if you have the time.
1) I didn’t see you mention red Loctite in your video. Should I be adding it to the bolts if I plan on replacing a lot of the hardware around that area (Synergy steering kit, Mopar lift kit)? Currently stock rubi suspension/ steering.
2) I noticed that you weren’t pleased with this product for durability issues. Do you think this part will last even though I intend to go on only a few off-road adventures each year and mainly daily drive my rubi?
Thank you again for taking the time to help your viewers out!!
On a product like this, I only use red locktite if the instructions tell me to do so. Tightening bolts to torque spec is typically enough otherwise. As far as durability goes, it only takes a hit or two to damage the clamp enough to matter. I like Fox products but I personally would recommend sticking with the OE stabilizer.
Thank You Friend
Im very picky....I don't like how the Fox bracket is upside down on the tie-rod. Great video!!!!!!!!!!!!
Me too !!!
That can be fixed by just rotating that labeled upper half of the bracket, 180 deg to reveal the proper positioning of the fox label.
It's so you can read it if the Jeep ends upside down on the trail.
Can you make a video if you can move up and down apex tie rod and draglink with your hand to see if any movement?
Sorry, I don't have an apex tie rod to test out. That said, rotational movement on any tie road is totally normal. A shifting up and down or side to side within the joint is not.
It looks really good. Something is up with my allignment on the JKU. I have a 3.5inch Rubicon Express lift on 35inch KM2. Mechanic that did my allignment said something with the track bar and Pitman Arm makes the right-front slightly out of alignment when I turn full-right. Its kind of weird because it is making the inner tread on one of my tires wear faster than the rest.
Just curious if you have a adjustable track bar.i have skyjacker 3.5 with adjustable LCA and track bar, and no issues.
@@chrishunt5291 yes it is adjustable and for the allignment but apparently it becomes out of alignment in a full turn left or right.
I think you need to find a new shop as this one doesn't seem to know what they're talking about. If just one of your tires is wearing faster on just the inside of the tread, you more than likely have a bent axle end forging or even tube. You should be able to see this on the amount of camber you have on that side.
@@wayalife I see what you are saying but it appears the tires are straight. I did buy it from the dealership with the 3.5 lift already installed. Looking at the track bar it appears that the stock Rubicon bar was used which may be a Geometry problem.
@@rsbrehm You can't just look at a tire and determine it's straight. If they did an alignment, you should have a print out that SHOWS what angle your camber is sitting at on each side of your axle. I can almost guarantee you that the side with the tire wear issue is OFF and by quite a bit. A track bar being off center will NOT cause a tire wear issue. Your axle will ALWAYS be off a bit one way or another depending on how many passengers and gear your carrying or how unloaded you are. It's just the nature of the beast when it comes to solid axles and track bars.
Where do I find the stabilizer with that sort of clamp? I have a relocation bracket on my stabilizer and all the fox stabilizers I can find just bolt up to the stock location and don’t have a clamp like this one.
This video was made a while ago and I think they may have changed things since then.
Hey Eddie, Love your videos. Question: I am wondering why Synergy did not send you their Stabilizer Clamp Adapter, (4051-01) so that you could have used your heavy duty Synergy Clamp for the Fox install. The Synergy clamp is a lot heaver duty than the Fox clamp. It appears that you can remove the Fox clamp from the stabilizer and use the adapter (a special bolt and sleave) to connect the Fox stabilizer to your Synergy Clamp. I am not a mechanic, just reading from their website. PS: I have the relocation kit ordered, and after this video, a Fox TS. Thanks for all you do for our jeep driving community.
This is an old video. At the time of install, the clamp they did send only worked with the OE stabilizer. If they have something new out, it's news to me and really, not something I'd need being that I'm happy to be running my OE stabilizer.
Is this 2.0 TS FOX steering stabilizer originally for the JK? (FOX # 985-02-128)? I ordered the one for the JL and it just comes with an axle bracket only
Honestly, I have no idea. This is what Fox sent me. Although, I'm not running it anymore.
Did you have any issues with the fox steering stabilizer making contact with any other steering components in full articulation with the wheels turned left or right ?
Nope. None that I saw anyway.
Great Video yet again. Was wondering if this fits a 2-door JL Sport too?
Yes it does
HI Eddie, It will be possible install the stabilizer without lift the front of the jeep? Or.. it's necessary?
You can install this on the ground.
Hola Eddie ! Me gusta tu programa. Tengo un jeep wrangler 2018 JL 4 puertas. Que suspencion me recomienda. Gracias
Glad to hear you enjoy our videos. Regarding lift kits, I suppose it depends on how big of a tire you're hoping to run and how you plan on using your Jeep.
Great video as always! ... I installed the fox ats stabilizer on my JT Mojave. Since then it pulls to the right especially at slower speeds. Had alignment performed at the dealer in hopes of correcting the issue ... would the fix be adjusting the steering wheel to be centered, being the alignment has already been performed? Not sure what my next move is to correct the pull. Thanks in advance ...
I would remove the stabilizer, reinstall the OE one and then see if you still have the problem. If so, the problem is unrelated to the stabilizer. If not, I might recommend just running the OE one. Long term use, that's what I did - I am running OE again.
I have a new two door JL Rubicon and am getting a 1.5 Clayton lift which should give me around 2.25 to 2.5 inches lift. I will be putting 35's on as well. Any recommendations as to if I should upgrade my steering stabilizer and perhaps relocate it? What do you recommend?
Honestly, the OE stabilizer is what I would recommend as it has proven itself to be superior. If you play on the rocks a lot, relocating it is a good idea but me personally, I would wait until the need actually arises.
I keep getting reminded by jeep that I have a recall on my stock stabilizer. So I've been looking at getting this Fox to replace the stock one. But I've read mixed reviews. I.e. some people said it made bump steer and shimmy worse. How is this working out on the JL after almost a year?
Honestly, I kinda feel like the OE steering stabilizer is just as good if not a little better.
@@wayalife thanks man!
can you make a short video on the anatomy and function of the front end componets drag link tire rod etc.. for us noobs?
Hmmm, let me give this some thought.
@@wayalife thank you
Drag like acts as a axle centering device. Keeps the axles from shifting left or right when turning or sidehilling. Leaf spring suspension does not need this. Tie rods are a swivel that allows the link bar between 2 pivot points to pivot. That can be steering or suspension. It's pretty straight forward stuff. Hope this helps
Thank you for explaining!
The centering device of the axel is a track bar that is used on both coil and leaf spring suspension. NOT a drag link, which is basically a tie rod.
I installed the Direct factory replacement Fox stabilizer and immediately noticed a pull to the right. I ended up putting the factory unit back in and the problem went away. Do you notice a pull to the right with the ATS model? I noticed that the stabilizer has a strong force to stay decompressed while the factory unit works like a damper without having any preference to stay compressed or decompressed.
You will not get any push or pull with through shaft technology like this but really, if there's nothing wrong with your factory stabilizer, I might just keep it.
It pulled because the fox stabilizer is pushing with about 200 lbs of force. This stabilizer has the same amount of force applied both directions, alleviating the pull.
Can you leave the stock steering stabilizer when using a skyjacker dual stabilizer? JLUR is not lifted but running 35’s.
I doubt it and honestly, there really should be no reason to install a dual stabilizer for any reason.
Wayalife many thanks! You and your channel ROCKS!
should I replace my steering stabilizer on my JL rubicon if I upgraded from 33s to 37s or will the stock one handle it ? I'm also running a 2.5 inch lift and everything else is stock
Me personally? No. I have always found the OE stabilizer to do a better job than aftermarket anything. They only thing I would run instead is a ram assist.
@@wayalife thanks so much! I greatly appreciate all your videos as well and they are some of the best I have ever seen especially for a guy just getting in to the Jeep world.
Is this a diversion for JK?
Will this steering stabilizer be a direct bolt on in use with the synergy steering stabilizer relocation kit that requires steering stabilizer to have 1/2 inch bushing holes on both ends of stabilizer? No drilling of bushings required? Thank you, Brandon 😇
I don't think so. Also, if you really need to replace your steering stabilizer, I would recommend the Rancho RS7MT as it is a direct bolt on and I have found it to be a good substitute for OEM.
@@wayalife Thanks for reply; i purchased the very one you just recomended, and while drilling out the bushing on thr rod side the bushing pushed out of the rubber. Thank you for this channel, and all the helpful jeep content.
Have a great day, Brandon 😇
Question so after i lift my jeep jl whats a good steering kit and will i need a drop pitman arm
Depending on how much lift you install, you won't need anything other than an adjustable track bar to help recenter your axle at ride height. Of course, if you want to beef up your components so that they can hold up well from hits on the rocks, upgrading your tie rod and drag link as well is always a good idea. A dropped pitman arm may be desirable for lifts over 4.5" and ONLY if you install some kind of track bar relocation bracket at the same time. It is critical to keep BOTH drag link and track bar parallel to each other. The better solution would be to install a drag link flip or new knuckles with high steer and for that, I would recommend Rock Jock. But again, I personally would wait to see if you feel the need for something like that before spending the money on it.
Hey Man I love your videos, I've come on here for just about any questions i've had for my jeep JL...and I'm in a bit of a pickle. I recently had an accident and my car's been in a shop for 3 weeks just waiting on Synergy parts... I have the Synergy Drag Link but the Tie Rod is nowhere to be purchased...do you think the factory Tie Rod would work with the Synergy Drag link, and the relocation kit? Is it the same diameter? I asked a rep from 4WD but he didn't seem too convincing. Anyways any help would be appreciated. I remember in your other video you said the Tie Rod weight's were about the same so that's my main context here. anyways much love man from Miami, FL! stay jeepin!
Sure, just bolt up a factory tie-rod and replace it later when the Synergy tie-rod becomes available again.
@@wayalife Thanks man! Hope you guys are doing well on the west coast!
Hey Eddie, i was thinking of getting a tera flex falcon 2.2 steering stabilizer for my buddy's birthday who has a stock jl Rubicon, any ideas on how big of a difference it will make to the way the car feels?
Hate to say it but it won't make any difference at all. Even this Fox one isn't an improvement over OE. Don't waste your money unless what he has is trashed.
@@wayalife haha hate it or not you just saved me 350 bucks, thanks dude for the quick reply I'll look for something else
@@wayalife Hello again! How about changing his tie rod and drag link with the hd option from Synergy, would that help with loose steering and wander? Still haven't gotten him anything but late is better than never haha
Edit: (his car is stock with 33" KM3's)
Hey Eddie, thnx for the vid. I notice in most of your videos you don't use any threadlocker. Is that for filming or is it really not needed? TIA for you response!
I only apply thread lock on fasteners that need it.
@@wayalife Thnx for the reply. I assume then that the manufacturers will identify the fasteners that will require it?
@@MAJORGL0RY Some do but not all. In the videos we make, I'll always indicate what I think needs it.
Hi sir , what you suggest to change with …. When we gonna install new mopar fox shock kit please advise…..
I m gonna buy it this weekend
As in, what steering stabilizer? I would recommend keeping the factory one.
@@wayalife the fox 2.0 stabilizer
What do you torque the new bolt to the track bar back down to?
120-125 ft lbs is what I always use.
I only used a jack on the differential, so you have to use 2 for alignment?
You want both tires off the ground. Using 2 jacks will help you to do this easier and while keeping your axle level.
@wayalife thanks, I was wondering does the stabilizer self adjust upon installation? I feel it threw the alignment off slightly. Technically couldn't you have both wheels on the ground and compress the stabilizer to fit?
I have 35s with a 2.5 inch spacer lift on the JLU. Do I need to upgrade any of the steering components to prevent death wobble?
Death wobble is a condition of loose or worn out steering/suspension components, NOT from a lift.
So it isn't necessary to upgrade or add a steering stablizer to my JLU?
@@mion1981 nope
What happens when you bang the outer end of the shaft on a rock?
Not sure. Hasn't even come close to happening yet.
If you have an upgraded steering system, how would you know if the steering stabilizer has gone bad? Does it really make a difference from stock to the Fox setup?
Nope, haven't felt much if any difference in how our steering feels.
I have the same set up right now the benefits of this particular fox in my JK it has 16 or 17 settings so in highway you set up very tight and when off road you make loose it works amazingly on both senarios.
Ok that makes sense if the stabilizer is adjustable. Eddie, you should do a video with an adjustable stabilizer and give us your thoughts on it. Thanks for the info.
@@wayalife good to know I changed my stock one to a RC single a year ago ,and never had any problems. I've always felt like people jumped on the band wagon for the expensive stabilizer. Good honest review.
Eddie, Where's the Gladiator.. The Launch models have started to arrive... I think you were looking at a Launch model.. Maybe not.
Honestly, I wish I knew. Last I heard, it was supposed to hit the assembly line last week but I don't think that happened. Pretty bummed this is taking so long.
Why have you not changed over to the high steer?
LOL - well, first off, this video is over 3 years old and we're not even running this stabilizer anymore. As far as high steer goes, we just haven't felt a need for it.
Will it fit my 2020 JL Rubicon Unlimited OEM tie rod?
It will but after long term testing, I don't know if I would recommend this. The clamp is made out of aluminum and it'll get beat up on the trail
When I hit a pothole, large bump in my gladiator, the steering wheel shakes back and forth a few times. Definitely not a death wobble. Is this normal or an issue with the stabilizer?
Sounds like your steering stabilizer is dampening/preventing your Jeep from getting into death wobble. I would double check your track bar bolts to make sure they're tightened to torque spec.
@@wayalife had it at the dealership and of course they want to replace the backordered dampener. It's even at slow speeds as well which is why im leaning against death wobble
Nice video! Can I install it on my fj40 landcruiser 1984?
So long as you have the right mounting points, I supposed you could.
Off all your Jeeps, which one do you love the most?
That's a tough one but I'd have to say Moby, our 2007 JK. Of all our Jeeps, it's the most dialed in to take on just about anything and still be super comfortable to ride in both off road and on pavement. And, with the LT under the hood and 10-speed auto transmission, it's crazy fun to drive. Of course, he still has a roof, AC, a radio and even heated seats 😎
We're can I buy one for my Jeep galaditor fox stapleizser
Honestly, this is an old video and I would recommend that you use the factory stabilizer as it really is the best out there.
Can you give us the link, where did u got it from please ??
Sure, assuming you have a Synergy tie-rod, this is what you're wanting amzn.to/2Liwcxz
Yo Eddie, question for you, I have a 2014 JK, I recently upgraded d-link, track bar and Fox steer stabilizer. I notice when driving on the freeway, my steering feels really stiff and I'm constantly correcting my steering because it feels too stiff. Everything should feel nice and smooth like in a new car. Let me know if this is normal. I'm also running 35" tires.
Is it safe to assume you didn't feel this before installing all those components? Depending on what Fox steering stabilizer you installed, it could be it that's providing so much resistance.
@@wayalife I had OC Motorsports do all my work, the problem I'm learning fast about these companies, is no one tells you why, they just sell you the products and the consumer has to become a professional about everything. I've been wheeling for about 7 years, all Overlanding. My last lift was AEV, great product. About a year ago, I noticed my entire front felt very loose when driving down the fwy, especially driving on hwy 60 heading to Palm Springs, I notice I had no control in curves. Something was up. So, after my trip, I took my Jeep to OC Motorsports for repairs. Turns out my ball joints where loose, drag link and track bar joints were all worn out. So I upgraded everything, I went with Synergy ball joints, Currie drag link, track bar and RCV axles. I also upgraded the steering stabilizer shock to the Fox. As I drove off the lot, right away, I noticed a huge difference, my front end was super tight. So night I was constantly over steering to control the vehicle. I also had the Jeep aligned too btw. You'd think everything would be perfect right? Wrong. I went back to OCM and told them, I can't control the Jeep, its super tight, worst that a sports car. They said, that's normal, you need to take your Jeep on the trails so things will loosen up. OK, so I did, I when on a 1000 mile overland across AZ, we did the BDR, you name it we did it. After, once I hit the hwy, I still had the same problem. Steering is super stiff. So for the 3rd time, I'm go back to OCM, complained about the problem. Their response, that's normal. Now, I'm at 1 year later, guess what with over 10,000 miles of off roading, I still have the same problem. Long story short, they lost me as a customer and now I'm becoming a professional on suspensions and products.
So, some of what you're describing in terms of feel does sound like what new ball joints will feel like until they wear in. However, that should go away after 500 miles. If you're steering is still super tight, I might try removing your steering stabilizer and see if that helps. I personally prefer OE stabilizers because aftermarket ones can sometimes provide too much resistance or even a push or pull depending on how it's installed.
@@wayalife I'm try it this weekend. It's always something! It's always fun picking your brain, you always have great information! I like OE too, but they move to Carson. I'd have Mel do all my stuff it they were still in Fullerton. Carson is a bit too far for me to drive.
@@OffRoadOverlandCamping Sorry, by "OE" I mean "Original Equipment" as in, what you get from the factory. I prefer factory steering stabilizers.
I added a levelling kit to my 2022 Jeep Wrangler JL. My tires are P2757018. Do I need a steering stabilizer on it? I do not go off roading, only highway driving?
No. In fact, I am no longer running what you see in this video. I would recommend sticking with the OE stabilizer.
@@wayalife Thank you, I just don't want to be adding things obviously if it's not needed. Thank you for your prompt answer
@@wayalife I bet you get tired of repeating this. If people would read the comments they would gain as much information as the was in the original video. PS. Brand new JT and you just saved me spending 300 bucks.
@@grantparnes LOL - happy to hear we were able to help out with our video and comments 😁
I installed a TS Fox Stabilizer and even after an alignment it pulls to the right. It didn't do it with the stock Stabilizer. I need help?
Honestly, I ended up going back to OE and have found it to do a much better job.
@@wayalife Wow. Thank you. I will do the same, the difference between OEM and Fox wasn't that much either. Should I get the OEM straight from Mopar?
You can buy it through Mopar, your dealership or just about any online retailer that sells Mopar parts.
Eddie, I have the exact same setup as you when you did this video (Just ordered the fox stabilizer)... I'm getting a lot of movement when I hit pot holes. Do you have any suggestions on what I could check. I have re-torqued everything. Finally ordered the stabilizer as a what if. Its driving me crazy. Thanks!
How much lift do you have? If you're still stock, are you still running a factory track bar?
@@wayalife I have mopar 2" that was installed before I picked it up. I installed Rancho track bars front and rear at about 8K miles. Never any issues or "wobble". I just installed the drag link and tie rod at 12K miles and since have had what I call a wobble when I hit potholes. Never an issue prior. I have re-torqued everything multiple times and had a professional alignment done. Since installed the same fox stabilizer you have but still there. Thoughts? I really appreciate any insight. thanks!
@@michaelhalstead64 What drag link and tie-rod did you install? Also, are you saying you were having this sensation with the OE stabilizer?
@@wayalife Synergy drag link and tie rod. Yes, was having the issue with the stock stabilizer. I had drilled out the mounting locations to relocation like you did in your souped up steering video. I then ordered the same Fox TS that you installed. Installed that last week and still having the issue.
@@michaelhalstead64 Just to make sure, have you tried running your rear tires up front? Not saying that tire balance would cause this but if it were off up front, that wouldn't help anything. Also, this might be something worth giving a try ruclips.net/video/RchFRGKPY6Q/видео.html
I should note there are guys I know who've done this and gone back to the OE stabilizer and have mitigated what they were feeling.
I noticed that you haven't installed axel truss in your jeep despite going extreme rock crawling.
The likelihood of bending an axle housing while rock crawling, regardless of how extreme, is very very low. Speed more than anything will bend or break an axle.
How is the rancho track bar holding up ?
So far so good! 👍
Great video. Did you have to order the correct size bracket for the synergy tie rod. Like 1.50 inch?
This came with what I needed
Wayalife thanks Eddie your videos are very helpful I know you hear that a lot but they are. Many people including myself appreciate it.
Do you have to use the Fox bracket or could you have used the Synergy bracket?
You do and that's proved to be a problem as the aluminum clamp they used gets really beat up. I ended up removing this setup and went back to OE using the synergy clamp.
@@wayalife I just ordered the Synergy kit hoping to relocate the Fox TS 2.0 up and out of the way. Do any kits allow the Fox TS 2.0 to be relocated up and out of the way other than the Fox bracket? The Fox bracket clamp seems too small for the Factory bar.
@@famlyjeep_guy3234 Sorry, not that I know of.
Ive been trying to find clear vinyl protection wraps for my Fox shocks & stabilizer to keep them looking nice thru mudding & winter elements...
But im NOT having any luck so far...
Might you have any ideas or know where to find such a product ??
Thanks in advance..
Sure. 3M makes a clear bra that you can use. amzn.to/2maUGPF
Do you think that this would make a difference on a stock Sahara JL?
To be perfectly honest, no. The OE stabilizer is really the only thing you need. It's what I prefer.
@@wayalife Thank you
That’s a great upgrade until I saw the price, by the way, how many miles do you have on the tires now? I’m trying to get a feel on the wear.
It is pricey for sure and maybe not something I'd recommend unless you've trashed your OE stabilizer. Regarding our tires, we have about 35k on them now.
Wayalife Are you happy with the wear so far? As soon as my KOs are worn out (soon), I’ll be trying those out.
Oh yeah. These aren't the first set of Cooper STT Pros we've run. They may not have as long of a tread life as the KO's that you're running now but they hook up a hell of a lot better on the rocks.
Wayalife, perfect. Thanks
I have steering wandering don't know how to solve that issue .. dealer keep saying it's normal .. any recommendation? Appreciated !
Safe to assume you're stock and maybe running 35 psi in your tires or higher? If so, try running something more reasonable like 28-30. That alone should help a lot.
Wayalife thank you! I have stock tire for now .. I'm planning to upgrade for a bigger tires and suspension as well , yes I run 37 psi on my tire . I will remove some air and hope wandering is gone
Another thing , is that normal when it's very windy to keep you on track ? It was all over the place when it's too windy
Wayalife hey thanks !! It's shows 37 psi I drop it up 33 only and it's works perfect ! Thanks -again !
My Jeep dealer has also said this to me about my 2020 JL. Said the techs think the steering is normal. I feel I'm chasing the lane on the highway and when you do need to make a correction there is a slight delay as the dead-zone seems larger than usual. There is a TSB for this exact issue and they won't swap out the aluminum steering box with the iron one. It's infuriating.
Why doesn't King make one! Also, what's your hourly rate?!
LOL! Sorry, we are not a shop and just do this for fun :)
When would you need double stabilizers?
Honestly, there really isn't a "need" for something like this.
This is basically a dual stabilizer, it has equal force applied both directions of travel. Imo this is a must have for the longevity of the front end steering components.
Why did you use JK stabilizer ? Because the one for the JL is different
This video is more than 2 years old. If things changed, that's news to me. This is what Fox sent me for a JL at the time. Either way, I no longer use it.
@@wayalife thanks
So why no hydro assit?
So far, with 37's, we really haven't felt a need for it. When we get up on 40's, we'll most likely have to install something.
Wouldn't your Jeep need an alignment after installing the new Fox steering stabilizer?
Why? Nothing has changed other than replacing the steering stabilizer. Toe remains unchanged, caster remains unchanged and you cannot adjust camber on a solid front axle. In fact, UNLESS you have aftermarket adjustable components installed, the most an alignment shop can do is charge you to recenter your steering wheel and that's assuming it's off - which it shouldn't be unless you've bent a drag link or tie rod.
@@wayalife thanks for the reply. I really appreciate it, especially on a post that’s a few years old. Keep up the good work on the site and the information. Thank you again.
How long was the instal?
Not long, maybe an hour or so tops.
Loose mount the tie rod clamp and stabilizer to driver side w FOX emblem oriented legible,then rotate stabilizer back to passenger and tighten to spec. FOX won’t be upside down
I ultimately removed this stabilizer. The clamp is made out of aluminum and it couldn't hold up to the rocks. It really should have been made out of steel.
Do you have a link for this?
Sorry, I do not and to be honest, I don't even run it anymore. I would recommend picking up a Synergy relocation mount kit and just run the OE stabilizer.
@@wayalife Good to knoww thanks for the imput!
I have through daft technology too, that’s how I ended up with two kids lol
LOL!!
soon a led bar ? 🇫🇷👍🏻
Nah, not really a fan of them.
You sold me on it 😁
Is this the correct part # ?
985-02-127
I believe that part number is correct if you have a factory tie-rod. I have a Synergy tie-rod and the part number ends with an 8.
I called Fox to confirm the part #. They claim they only offer a mount to stock tie rod end to axle mount, no option as shown in this great video of installing the track bar SS relocation bolt and connecting to the tie rod using a fox bracket. Eddie where did you obtain your Fox SS with the track bar relocation bolt and Fox tie rod bracket?
In putting one simply because I have Fox shocks...might as well complete the setup with a Fox stabilizer.
When he hit a pot hole he said it did pretty good but the steering wheel wobbles quite a bit. lol
LOL - um, yeah, it was a big pot hole. A stabilizer will only "dampen" a hit, not eliminate it.
What happened to Rubicat?
Unfortunately, we ended up selling her to make room for our new Gladiator.
Good video as always but what a stupid design, shaft is open to sand, dirt, debris which will damage the shaft then the damaged shaft will trash the seals. Was this designed to fail on purpose?
Through shaft helps keep the damper shaft from binding. Allows both ends to run straight. Alot like how a long travel motocross fork sanction tubes has extra length inside the sliders so the forks dont flex. It's kinda to the same idea. In the end less dampershaft flex means less wear on internals and better piston seal. As for damage. If your smashing the damper into rocks.. you just wrecked other more important stuff. Pick good lines and your good. Wash your rig and seals will last.