Glad someone said something positive, all the talking heads last week were pushing the narrative that Nascar was happy to see it go and the racing wasn't great, shame to see it go, glad the last race was memorable
Living in Southern California, very small NASCAR community, Fontana is only track I've been to following Dale Jr. Since he retired, we haven't been back there but my daughter growing up in those days we have some good memories. Maybe I'll check it out when new track gets done 😁👍
I lived in LA for 25 years ( my family is still there) and attended several NASCAR races at Fontana. I really hope the short track becomes a reality...
Im from Nascar family local to the track, grew up going to Fontana and hearing stories from my pops and grandpa about Riverside... pops says this is exactly how riverside died, first they made it smaller and sold some of the land, and then poof it was gone
It’s not unheard of. Back in the 90s the former Aerojet Corporation stayed afloat by selling 12,000 acres of prime real estate just miles away from downtown Sacramento.
Brett Griffin incorrectly said Roger Penske built Michigan International Speedway. However, it was Mark LoPatin a Detroit-area land developer who built the speedway at an estimated cost of 4-6 million. Penske later purchased the track in 1972, five years after the inaugural race.
Stop falling for NASCARs lies. This track is DONE. Construction will be in “limbo” for a couple years. Then it will be removed from the schedule all together. Then the rest sold and demolished. Chicagoland 2.0
Sadly I agree. Chicagoland produced great racing. Why nascar leaves homestead on the schedule, which is THE MOST boring race of the year, EVERY YEAR since it was built is beyond me. And then they throw Milwaukee on the schedule? I get hitting new markets, but don’t abandon the markets that continually produce great racing and sell out.
You're wrong on that it won't take long to convert into a short track. Chicago put on bad races and was taken out because of that. All these 1.5 and 2 mile tracks are all the same and they realize that so they're making changes... The track would need to be repaved and that would make the racing bad again like it was the first 12 years or more at the track.
@@geoffarcuri7877 I don't get why Fontana had to go, but they go the Vegas and Kansas twice. They now go to Pocono, Dover, New Hampshire, Michigan, Charlotte and Bristol once.. but go to Kansas Twice AND St. Louis. They ruined the 4th of July, they ruined the Brickyard. Nascar doesn't have any idea what they are doing and its obvious.
Grew up 10 miles from the track. The Inland Empire loves racing and as much as I will miss that track, races could get kinda boring. I live in AZ now and Phoenix is a much more entertaining track from a fan standpoint, so I am personally ok if they make it into a short track. Still, I’ll always have fond memories of “Fontucky.”
I run the NASA Roval there and have done that for years. Love it, one of my favorite tracks, so fun to hit that oval and run 3/4 of the way around it, pushing 140 (laugh all you want, that is pretty fast for a production street car) and then slow for basically a 90 degree left and immediate 90 degree right, or ess turn if you want to call it tha, coming off the big track. I am really sad I won't be able to do that again, particularly since I broke my race car and am building another one.
Penske sold it to Nascar for 600 million ,he built it for 100 mil.Good show boys . I live Two blocks from the track. Hate to wait for another 4 or 5 years for it to be rebuilt. Why not make a 1 mile track ,that's my opinion anyway.
I thought Roger paid around $100M for the track and facility. He modeled it after the Michigan Speedway. It was a great place to watch racing such as nascar and IMSA.
It's sad to see it go, it was a unique layout with good racing lately. But I'd rather it see this end, where NASCAR makes some money, instead of seeing it go the way of Texas World or Nazareth where it just rots.
In the end, does it matter? NASCAR has been ruining race tracks with almost every repave that comes to mind. They killed Texas when it was decent. They killed Kentucky when it had character. Michigan has been terrible. Atlanta is some idiotic combination of the stupidest kind of superspeedway "racing".
Oh yeah? It was one of the best? All I remember hearing about it before they announced it was being reconfigured was how the races are always shitty fuel mileage races. Pick a side and stay on it Flip floppers.
I noticed Joey took off later in the restart zone which is his decision when to take off. I Think the next few rows after assumed he was going sooner and stacked them up. Can't go until the leader goes. So the first couple cars behind Joey caused the wreck.
25 years ago, Fontana hosted four or five events per year (NASCAR twice a year, trucks, IRL, ARCA). It only hosted one event per year for the last ten years. The land around the track is worth more than one sold out annual event. What I don’t understand is why they say fans want more short track and less 2 mile? I don’t know a single fan that wants to see another 1-2 mile. Not one. EVERY fan here in Cali that I’ve talked wants to see increased banking and narrow the track to take away the extra grooves. Make it a baby-super.
I haven't heard anybody in support of that idea, and I've been going to the track since it opened. That idea was proposed a few years ago by the previous owner and was soundly rejected. Very few people like what Atlanta did, including the drivers.
The only reason it was a sell out this past week was bc it was advertised as the last race on the 2-mile configuration. Years prior attendance and ratings dwindled.
They were going to have to re pave it sooner or later, so the character that it had was going to be gone so it would be more similar to Texas. I think this might have been the best option they had
And if they do make the short track we get exactly what we want, which is another short track. NASCAR gets exactly what they want with a short track on the west coast. Short tracks aren’t as sensitive as those big tracks either so that’s good too.
@@ba.diecast24 there was one bad race. Richmond was good, phoenix was as average as always, Bristol was good minus the tire issues, fall martinsville was good. It just wasn’t as good as normal. With the current changes to the car, and presumably more to come, the racing will be better. NASCAR knows how to make good short track racing than anyone or anything else.
@@danielchai6145 I mean fall Martinsville was still boring. Chastain’s Hail Melon saved it. The Richmond races were solid more so due to strategy than anything else. But to your point of them fixing it, I hope you’re right. The move to a 2” spoiler was a good start, just wish they’d up the HP to 750
@@ba.diecast24 fall martinsville was good racing still. Lots of passing, sliding around. Passing for the lead. The hail melon was the most memorable part but it was a good race. Richmond raced the same way it always has but the strategy made them better than normal.
I get it...I hate that we're losing it...but I think they're basing this decision on the fact that when the way tracks have been after re-paves the past 5-7 years...they know Fontana was about to have to be re-paved and it wouldn't be good anymore...we'd have a Texas Motor Speedway problem. I think they sold it knowing that with a re-pave having to happen soon...it's days of good races was numbered.
I hate how we aren't running ridiculous amounts of horsepower anymore. A repave usually meant it was the best chance to break a lap record. With the cars today there is absolutely no chance of that happening.
You look a most race tracks, they were all built in the middle of nowhere. Back in the early years langhorne, Trenton , bridgehampton and list goes on. The price of land can't justify a venue that's only used a few times a year
the biggest problem with this is parking is not a consideration for the race tracks. I went to Daytona two years ago and had to walk two miles to the track. never again. being handicapped is too much.
No no, the CA government supports homelessness. They'd rather round up the unhappy, responsible, tax paying residents and let the homeless run the city...
My suggestion? Find land that isn’t at risk of redevelopment, and build a new speedway. Doesn’t have to be in the LA San Bernadino area. Why not Bakersfield or something?
The problem is it won't be in trouble now, but give it 15 or 20 years, it might. Look how tracks like Kentucky, Nashville SS, Chicagoland, and Fontana went from the middle of nowhere to back in the 90s to nowadays there's a ton of commercial Real-estate.
Penske sold California Speedway along with all his other tracks to the International Speedway Corporation in 1999 for $600 million. A deal that included Nazareth Speedway, Rockingham, Michigan International Speedway and California Speedway. Penske wasn't involved in the 2023 sale.
It's a crime what nascar is doing. This track has had great racing for decades, many of the drivers say its one of their favorite tracks. I couldn't care less about the money, if nascar needs 500 million dollars then things have gone terribly wrong anyways. The truth is, the next gen garbage car is good on intermediate tracks and bad on short tracks, and they are tearing down to build a short track...
Having been going there since they initially opened in nineteen ninety seven and taking parade lapse on the oval before the truck races It's something I'll never forget.. Having used to live 6 miles from that track when it was built the area was a dump it has become one of the Premier destinations in California. Nascar is a greedy organization. I don't watch many races due to the new format as it stinks honestly. I don't think they'll put a track back there. I think they're lying to everyone Nascar has become nothing but money and greed
$$$ is what NASCAR wants. There loyalty is to the fans in the southeast. I don’t believe that a short track will survive in the long run. Unless they can lease property on Camp Pendleton, NASCAR is out of SoCal.
Many people could have, many would fail. It's his money sources by more than a little. They just trusted RP to not get caught up bathing money like Haas and Hendrick.
Riverside Road Course was the Best Track in SoCal. AutoClub was avg... Michigan is the Same Track. So We fill out more Short Tracks then big tracks... i like the racing in the past... Riding the rails no real action.. Seen it on TV. the stands where about empty. The track will get smaller then Shut Down then they will have to move it Near Hemet or go over to the Desert and have covered Stands. or just Nascar leaves SoCal all together, that's what will happen down the line. Racetrack Near Fresno CA with the New Highspeed train?
Riverside was the best track EVER! A very fast left hand turn one and right hand turn two, perfectly spaced esses, an bitchen uphill turn 6 in front of grandstands that look all the way down the esses, an off camber turn 8, a nearly one mile straightaway, and a sweeping high banked right hand turn nine. It was a jewel!!
Because they aren't really identical at all. Especially the pavement. Michigan could theoretically be better much later on when pavement wears, but there are only really 2 efficient racing lines there compared to Auto Club's 3-4, and more on fresh tires.
Best tracks? All I saw was lackluster racing and half filled grandstands. We already had Michigan and this style track wasn't necessary. A short track, or heck an oddball layout (pocono/nazareth) is going to provide better racing.
I mean was there ever an exciting race at this track? I'm trying my hardest to remember and the only highlights come to mind is Micheal McDowell flipping down the backstretch. Seems like ever win was a fuel mileage pit strategy win. The races were boring af let's be real.
Fontana was a great track, but races were too long and for a while there it was a mileage track. Whenever they got the balance of tire wear and mileage right you got a great race because drivers could find a spot to run without really being single fille. Drafting worked but wasn't essential. I hope if they do build a short track it's not a Bristol clone; make it weird so it's interesting and hard to master. Like a mini Pocono or something. That and lights so it can host night races.
On tv the grandstands looked 1/4 - 1/3 empty. If they really sold out I’d guess NASCAR bought the empty seats or just claimed that they sold. But I guess there could have been a half mile of lines for the bathroom and concessions during the whole race?
I think it was “sold out” but remember ppl buy 50 tickets to scalp. The crowd was fuller to each end then previous years. And yes there actually were constant long lines for food and piss through the whole race
Nascar rarely sells out anymore. The bad part is its nascars fault! Get a racer in charge instead of a money hungry putz like phelps! Couldnt pack the stands at the colosium because its stupid as hell to try to call that a nascar race! New management in nascar is whats needed.
Get ready because there are a bunch of tracks that should be dropped. And Daytona has been a joke for a while boring azz pack racing a couple big crashes then finally on the last turn they start racing hard. Any team can win Daytona. Jmo
All I do is listen to podcasts and conspiracies haha one thing adding up everyone’s selling right now like somethings about to happen…. It’s getting crazy.. they say California is gonna be divided like North Carolina and South Carolina.. nascar knows something
No, it wasn't one of the best tracks. Boring ass races. It would be good for 10 laps after a restart, but mostly just riding around the top doing nothing. Maybe, maybe it would be good for a 50 lap race. Good riddance.
@@ChuckyLarms One thing I've learned with Nascar fans is they have completely different views of what is entertaining racing. Tracks you can have multiple racing lines on to me creates better racing. But then again, I'm one of the few that thought Atlanta was the best 1.5'er because of its different lines and that they ruined it trying to make it a pack race and narrower where you can't pass.
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Years ago, Ray Kroc said McDonalds wasn't in the hamburger business. It's in the real estate business.
Yeah, but this time, NASCAR screwed over an entire fanbase and not just 2 brothers
I like to see a 3/4 mile that combines a bit of Bristol, Dover, and Martinsville.
Dover and Martinsville are opposites, so I'm not sure this is possible.
Glad someone said something positive, all the talking heads last week were pushing the narrative that Nascar was happy to see it go and the racing wasn't great, shame to see it go, glad the last race was memorable
Of course that's what they're going to say, that's the nascar approved talking point.
Sad my kids will never get to experience it. I hope we get something back.
Michigan will be the last surviving 2-mile oval. RIP Texas World Speedway and Fontana.
Living in Southern California, very small NASCAR community, Fontana is only track I've been to following Dale Jr. Since he retired, we haven't been back there but my daughter growing up in those days we have some good memories. Maybe I'll check it out when new track gets done 😁👍
I lived in LA for 25 years ( my family is still there) and attended several NASCAR races at Fontana. I really hope the short track becomes a reality...
But will NASCAR give the short track a race. I feel that it's unlikely.
Auto Club didn’t deserve the hate it got! My hot take
Im from Nascar family local to the track, grew up going to Fontana and hearing stories from my pops and grandpa about Riverside... pops says this is exactly how riverside died, first they made it smaller and sold some of the land, and then poof it was gone
Your pops and grandpa were right on, Riverside was the best track ever.
It’s not unheard of. Back in the 90s the former Aerojet Corporation stayed afloat by selling 12,000 acres of prime real estate just miles away from downtown Sacramento.
Brett Griffin incorrectly said Roger Penske built Michigan International Speedway. However, it was Mark LoPatin a Detroit-area land developer who built the speedway at an estimated cost of 4-6 million. Penske later purchased the track in 1972, five years after the inaugural race.
Stop falling for NASCARs lies. This track is DONE. Construction will be in “limbo” for a couple years. Then it will be removed from the schedule all together. Then the rest sold and demolished. Chicagoland 2.0
Sadly I agree. Chicagoland produced great racing. Why nascar leaves homestead on the schedule, which is THE MOST boring race of the year, EVERY YEAR since it was built is beyond me. And then they throw Milwaukee on the schedule? I get hitting new markets, but don’t abandon the markets that continually produce great racing and sell out.
You're wrong on that it won't take long to convert into a short track. Chicago put on bad races and was taken out because of that. All these 1.5 and 2 mile tracks are all the same and they realize that so they're making changes... The track would need to be repaved and that would make the racing bad again like it was the first 12 years or more at the track.
@@geoffarcuri7877 I don't get why Fontana had to go, but they go the Vegas and Kansas twice. They now go to Pocono, Dover, New Hampshire, Michigan, Charlotte and Bristol once.. but go to Kansas Twice AND St. Louis. They ruined the 4th of July, they ruined the Brickyard. Nascar doesn't have any idea what they are doing and its obvious.
Wikipedia Says Penske paid $100 million to Build Autoclub Speedway
Grew up 10 miles from the track. The Inland Empire loves racing and as much as I will miss that track, races could get kinda boring. I live in AZ now and Phoenix is a much more entertaining track from a fan standpoint, so I am personally ok if they make it into a short track. Still, I’ll always have fond memories of “Fontucky.”
i work 1 block away from the track in fontana and never knew there was a racetrack there LMFAO. the city used 0 effort trying to tell people about it
no one can afford to live here btw LOL
You can't afford to live in Fontana? Lmao
@@100proofcrew i make $80k and barely afford rent lol
I run the NASA Roval there and have done that for years. Love it, one of my favorite tracks, so fun to hit that oval and run 3/4 of the way around it, pushing 140 (laugh all you want, that is pretty fast for a production street car) and then slow for basically a 90 degree left and immediate 90 degree right, or ess turn if you want to call it tha, coming off the big track. I am really sad I won't be able to do that again, particularly since I broke my race car and am building another one.
A damn shame that this track will probably end up like Riverside.. I seriously doubt the short track will ever see the light of day.
Penske sold it to Nascar for 600 million ,he built it for 100 mil.Good show boys . I live Two blocks from the track. Hate to wait for another 4 or 5 years for it to be rebuilt. Why not make a 1 mile track ,that's my opinion anyway.
That’s $600,million for multiple tracks, isn’t it? I know he sold all his tracks to ISC at the same time and there were several.
@Jeremy Murray No just AutoClub.The total for all tracks was 2Billion.
The local race scene is heart broken. The infield track is being demolished. No more motorcycle track days for me.
You have another track just like Fontana. Michigan! One of the best tracks on the schedule. Need to put BOTH races back there…June and August.
Penske didnt build michigan. He just bought it in 72 and upgraded the track and facilities over the course of his ownership.
I thought Roger paid around $100M for the track and facility. He modeled it after the Michigan Speedway. It was a great place to watch racing such as nascar and IMSA.
2015 IndyCar race was one of the best races I've ever watched
There's a reason we use to call Fontana Fontucky it was back woods for us urbanites from LA.
It's sad to see it go, it was a unique layout with good racing lately. But I'd rather it see this end, where NASCAR makes some money, instead of seeing it go the way of Texas World or Nazareth where it just rots.
Got videos of me racing at Cali Speedway. I loved that track.
In the end, does it matter? NASCAR has been ruining race tracks with almost every repave that comes to mind. They killed Texas when it was decent. They killed Kentucky when it had character. Michigan has been terrible. Atlanta is some idiotic combination of the stupidest kind of superspeedway "racing".
AGREE 💯million percent 👍
Auto Club has always been one of my favourite racetracks.
Oh yeah? It was one of the best? All I remember hearing about it before they announced it was being reconfigured was how the races are always shitty fuel mileage races. Pick a side and stay on it Flip floppers.
I noticed Joey took off later in the restart zone which is his decision when to take off. I Think the next few rows after assumed he was going sooner and stacked them up. Can't go until the leader goes. So the first couple cars behind Joey caused the wreck.
25 years ago, Fontana hosted four or five events per year (NASCAR twice a year, trucks, IRL, ARCA). It only hosted one event per year for the last ten years. The land around the track is worth more than one sold out annual event.
What I don’t understand is why they say fans want more short track and less 2 mile? I don’t know a single fan that wants to see another 1-2 mile. Not one. EVERY fan here in Cali that I’ve talked wants to see increased banking and narrow the track to take away the extra grooves. Make it a baby-super.
I haven't heard anybody in support of that idea, and I've been going to the track since it opened. That idea was proposed a few years ago by the previous owner and was soundly rejected. Very few people like what Atlanta did, including the drivers.
The only reason it was a sell out this past week was bc it was advertised as the last race on the 2-mile configuration. Years prior attendance and ratings dwindled.
I think with phelps calling the shots it wont be long and nascar will be on mav t.v because he is destroying nascar! He sucks!
Steve does not call the shots He is not the CEO and chairman Jim France is.
@@johnhaas2523 steve calls the shots! You think france is that involved? Not a chance
Can this possibly be a result of 2 years of drop-off in revenue because of covid, just one more casualtie
I would have gone in '21, but my amazing CA government decided it was too dangerous...
They were going to have to re pave it sooner or later, so the character that it had was going to be gone so it would be more similar to Texas. I think this might have been the best option they had
And if they do make the short track we get exactly what we want, which is another short track. NASCAR gets exactly what they want with a short track on the west coast. Short tracks aren’t as sensitive as those big tracks either so that’s good too.
@@danielchai6145 with this current car, unless they've really figured it out, the short track racing has been awful.
@@ba.diecast24 there was one bad race. Richmond was good, phoenix was as average as always, Bristol was good minus the tire issues, fall martinsville was good. It just wasn’t as good as normal.
With the current changes to the car, and presumably more to come, the racing will be better. NASCAR knows how to make good short track racing than anyone or anything else.
@@danielchai6145 I mean fall Martinsville was still boring. Chastain’s Hail Melon saved it. The Richmond races were solid more so due to strategy than anything else. But to your point of them fixing it, I hope you’re right. The move to a 2” spoiler was a good start, just wish they’d up the HP to 750
@@ba.diecast24 fall martinsville was good racing still. Lots of passing, sliding around. Passing for the lead. The hail melon was the most memorable part but it was a good race.
Richmond raced the same way it always has but the strategy made them better than normal.
I get it...I hate that we're losing it...but I think they're basing this decision on the fact that when the way tracks have been after re-paves the past 5-7 years...they know Fontana was about to have to be re-paved and it wouldn't be good anymore...we'd have a Texas Motor Speedway problem. I think they sold it knowing that with a re-pave having to happen soon...it's days of good races was numbered.
I hate how we aren't running ridiculous amounts of horsepower anymore. A repave usually meant it was the best chance to break a lap record. With the cars today there is absolutely no chance of that happening.
The problem with Texas was the reconfiguration, not the repave. They did the same gimmick they did with Kentucky, and both tracks suck.
You look a most race tracks, they were all built in the middle of nowhere. Back in the early years langhorne, Trenton , bridgehampton and list goes on. The price of land can't justify a venue that's only used a few times a year
SoCal got rid of the "Big O" and add Riverside Raceway, so losing another track is just par for this part of the country. Worse than Las Vegas!
the biggest problem with this is parking is not a consideration for the race tracks. I went to Daytona two years ago and had to walk two miles to the track. never again. being handicapped is too much.
They probably needed the space to put the homeless to get them out of downtown
No no, the CA government supports homelessness. They'd rather round up the unhappy, responsible, tax paying residents and let the homeless run the city...
Texas should strive to be the new Auto Club.
Marcus Smith said it has to fit in the walls whatever they do
My suggestion?
Find land that isn’t at risk of redevelopment, and build a new speedway.
Doesn’t have to be in the LA San Bernadino area. Why not Bakersfield or something?
I like this idea. Bakersfield would be a great location.
The problem is it won't be in trouble now, but give it 15 or 20 years, it might. Look how tracks like Kentucky, Nashville SS, Chicagoland, and Fontana went from the middle of nowhere to back in the 90s to nowadays there's a ton of commercial Real-estate.
The track itself is why the land was developed. This idea won't work anywhere.
Amazing how a person can envision a diamond in the ruff. Like he said Penske probably made 5 to 1 on the deal.
Penske sold California Speedway along with all his other tracks to the International Speedway Corporation in 1999 for $600 million. A deal that included Nazareth Speedway, Rockingham, Michigan International Speedway and California Speedway. Penske wasn't involved in the 2023 sale.
They sold 3/4 of it to pay the tax probably. I also wanted to say; Keep up the highly cerebral comments about marketing and the racing Kasey.
I just moved out of commiefornia, I lived about 30 miles from the speedway. The only thing I miss are my friends, glad I got out of that state.
We’re glad you did too :)
Ok trump traitor!
It's a crime what nascar is doing. This track has had great racing for decades, many of the drivers say its one of their favorite tracks. I couldn't care less about the money, if nascar needs 500 million dollars then things have gone terribly wrong anyways. The truth is, the next gen garbage car is good on intermediate tracks and bad on short tracks, and they are tearing down to build a short track...
Having been going there since they initially opened in nineteen ninety seven and taking parade lapse on the oval before the truck races It's something I'll never forget.. Having used to live 6 miles from that track when it was built the area was a dump it has become one of the Premier destinations in California. Nascar is a greedy organization. I don't watch many races due to the new format as it stinks honestly. I don't think they'll put a track back there. I think they're lying to everyone Nascar has become nothing but money and greed
$$$ is what NASCAR wants. There loyalty is to the fans in the southeast. I don’t believe that a short track will survive in the long run. Unless they can lease property on Camp Pendleton, NASCAR is out of SoCal.
Group deal with several tracks from Penske.
let's just say amazon wants property that tracks sit on and the one that is being built next to the track so it won't last long.
Wtf.... the steel mill is up and running..
And thus, comes another gentrified neighborhood courtesy of real estate
And in the beginning > only Roger Penske could have made it happen
Many people could have, many would fail. It's his money sources by more than a little. They just trusted RP to not get caught up bathing money like Haas and Hendrick.
...and now the retailers will hate not having race crowds > love/hate = love their $$ & hate the traffic
What I heard was quit repaving any track and sooner or later when it wears out there will be good racing.
And sooner than latter pavement starts coming up and potholes develop. At this point you can’t race on it
The old Texas World Speedway and Michigan are dulplicates to the foot and it was build in the middle of nowwhere.
Like it or not, the $ Bill influences history. As with Fontana, it usually isn't for the best.
They paid $600,000,000 and got 4 tracks.
Riverside Road Course was the Best Track in SoCal. AutoClub was avg... Michigan is the Same Track. So We fill out more Short Tracks then big tracks... i like the racing in the past... Riding the rails no real action.. Seen it on TV. the stands where about empty. The track will get smaller then Shut Down then they will have to move it Near Hemet or go over to the Desert and have covered Stands. or just Nascar leaves SoCal all together, that's what will happen down the line. Racetrack Near Fresno CA with the New Highspeed train?
average like your I.Q. with this dumb take
Riverside was the best track EVER! A very fast left hand turn one and right hand turn two, perfectly spaced esses, an bitchen uphill turn 6 in front of grandstands that look all the way down the esses, an off camber turn 8, a nearly one mile straightaway, and a sweeping high banked right hand turn nine. It was a jewel!!
Why Michigan can't have races like fontana since both are indetical in theory?
Because they aren't really identical at all. Especially the pavement. Michigan could theoretically be better much later on when pavement wears, but there are only really 2 efficient racing lines there compared to Auto Club's 3-4, and more on fresh tires.
if you build it. they will come.
fontana is the best 1.5-2 miler. the intermediate tracks have lost their lure because they are all brand new or repaved and race boring as hell
Yeah right!!🤣🤣🤣🤣
Best tracks? All I saw was lackluster racing and half filled grandstands. We already had Michigan and this style track wasn't necessary. A short track, or heck an oddball layout (pocono/nazareth) is going to provide better racing.
Yep, and Michigan, despite it being a twin to Fontana, still has better racing. Racing at Fontana is like watching paint dry.
WHY do you have to cuss? Can't we as a nation hold on to at least one of our standards?
I mean was there ever an exciting race at this track? I'm trying my hardest to remember and the only highlights come to mind is Micheal McDowell flipping down the backstretch. Seems like ever win was a fuel mileage pit strategy win. The races were boring af let's be real.
Money talks the racing comes 2nd
Fontana was a great track, but races were too long and for a while there it was a mileage track. Whenever they got the balance of tire wear and mileage right you got a great race because drivers could find a spot to run without really being single fille. Drafting worked but wasn't essential.
I hope if they do build a short track it's not a Bristol clone; make it weird so it's interesting and hard to master. Like a mini Pocono or something.
That and lights so it can host night races.
On tv the grandstands looked 1/4 - 1/3 empty. If they really sold out I’d guess NASCAR bought the empty seats or just claimed that they sold. But I guess there could have been a half mile of lines for the bathroom and concessions during the whole race?
I think it was “sold out” but remember ppl buy 50 tickets to scalp. The crowd was fuller to each end then previous years. And yes there actually were constant long lines for food and piss through the whole race
Empty stands are everywhere. Why did they make the seating different colors? To look like they are occupied!
Nascar rarely sells out anymore. The bad part is its nascars fault! Get a racer in charge instead of a money hungry putz like phelps! Couldnt pack the stands at the colosium because its stupid as hell to try to call that a nascar race! New management in nascar is whats needed.
@ Greg Davis 👍
Fontana was and is a shithole.
Track was boring. I'm glad it's gone. Other than a few last laps battles what was good about it
Get ready because there are a bunch of tracks that should be dropped. And Daytona has been a joke for a while boring azz pack racing a couple big crashes then finally on the last turn they start racing hard. Any team can win Daytona. Jmo
It's a shame
Such a stupid move by NASCAR
All I do is listen to podcasts and conspiracies haha one thing adding up everyone’s selling right now like somethings about to happen…. It’s getting crazy.. they say California is gonna be divided like North Carolina and South Carolina.. nascar knows something
The wef keeps telling us what's coming.
You can’t afford 13% tax?
The track will be used for electric and hybrid vehicles, because that's what California wants, wait and see.
Hahaha
No, it wasn't one of the best tracks. Boring ass races. It would be good for 10 laps after a restart, but mostly just riding around the top doing nothing. Maybe, maybe it would be good for a 50 lap race. Good riddance.
California regulations and taxes probably have a major part of nascar leaving.
Source?
Anything at all to back that statement?
@@100proofcrew all new cars sold in California must be electric by 2035 but I wouldn't consider that a source
Ben watching since 2001....terrible... strungout...boring racing!👎
Another track for Nascar to screw up 🙄
Losing Fontana proves one day we'll lose ALL tracks including Daytona. Then motorsports as we know it is gone. All anyone will have is strest racing
Boring racetrack get rid of it.
who cares..no one watches anyway
The track has been a snooze fest for years now ! Im glad it will be gone now they just need to get ride of Vegas and Kansas!
You must be drunk. Kansas and Fontana are 2 of the best and competitive tracks
@@ChuckyLarms I'm always drunk😂😂😂 i know every year im definitely like I can't wait for Fontana and Kansas 😂
I'm a 100x more excited for Vegas and Kansas than I am for Pocono, Indy Road Course and New Hampshire
@@ChuckyLarms One thing I've learned with Nascar fans is they have completely different views of what is entertaining racing. Tracks you can have multiple racing lines on to me creates better racing. But then again, I'm one of the few that thought Atlanta was the best 1.5'er because of its different lines and that they ruined it trying to make it a pack race and narrower where you can't pass.
@@ba.diecast24 i grew up in Boston and New Hampshire is an amazing track in person! The tv broadcast does not do it justice.
I like how now thats its closed everyone loves this place. Terrible, boring track. Bore a fornia speedway.