can you make hundred story stone buildings? also in my opinion st basils in moskow is the pretiest building because of its towers domes and amazing colors though i still love giant glass skyscrapers but i wish they used colered glass like in churches imagine a skyscraper with nature and history as wals made of stained glass
can you make a video about modern aversion to bright colour and nature paterns also did you know roman buildings and statues were painted in bright colours
Dutch stonecarver here. Belgian blue limestone is a very tough material, but 300 years is about the end of its lifespan. It's usually not applied as a building material itself, but more as a cladding material, the internal structure commonly was made out of brick. It has always been quite an expensive material. We just finished the Utrecht Dom Tower, where we replaced many limestone parts that were about 100 years old (it is hoped that the new English Portlandstone will last a century longer). Stone does not have an eternal lifespan, but with proper maintenance buildings can last a very long time. Skilled labour would be an issue. Much is done with cnc robots nowadays, but without that human touch it would end up looking lifeless and fake. Plus the work would be adapted to what the machine can do, not to what it should look like
@@jamewakk that would depend on the type of stone. Travertine is deposited in days, tuff ash is deposited in hours but takes centuries to harden, sandstone similar, or deposited over hundreds of thousands of years and takes thousands of years to harden, granite is solidified earth crust formed in the formation of the earth itself, billions of years ago.
this what those extrame classicals don't understand. the only thing they worry about when it comes to architecture is aesthetics - As much as I believe the importance of it- with ZERO knowledge of cost efficiency, time and skilled labor while ignoring much important topics. I don't like modernism but god I hate when classicals lovers start yapping... I would love to hear more about ur experience if possible
One aspect that was implied in this video, but not expended on, is that the type of stone used in constructions can impact the identity of the place. For example, in the Loire valley in France, there is a lot of buildings (and castles) with white walls, because there is a lot of tuffeau there. However in Tuscany, in Italy, the stone is more yellow, contributing to the warm landscapes of the region. Because in ancient times, each place was built using local ressources, every city was born from the very stone it lands upon. That created an identity and a visual landmark. It's a "when you see this type of stones, you know you're in that place" type of thing, wich creates a reassuring feeling.
Fully agree. I love Neuchatel, Switzerland because it has warm yellow stone buildings. I can also appreciate the greenish stone in Bern, but it feels colder and more serious.
I agree! Meanwhile, in Armenia, most buildings are made from the locally available Pink Tuff, giving the buildings and as a result, basically the entire country, extremely chracteristic orange appearance.
Very good point. In Sweden we have red granite from the Bohuslän region and limestone in Gotland, sandstone from Roslagen and marble from Östergötland. This is reflected in buildings in the different regions.
3:02 Just after the going over the 7 types of building stone. It is only a sentence or two , but it is an acknowledgement of the observation to which you are referring.
As a Japanese I want to point out that a multi floor building like the one shown in the video wouldn't last long in the event of a strong earthquake. Reinforced concrete in Japan lasts a lot longer than in western countries because pillars are (indicatively) 3 or 4 times thicker with more rebar and more cement used (in order to meet anti seismic criteria). Also the distance between the rebar and the outside elements is greater and Ive never seen spalling in Japan. We use spacers and build with very high quality inert aggregate materials, so only pre WW2 structures show signs of degradation while I've seen buildings from the 60s and 70s that should already be demolished in Europe, as the rebar is already exposed.
Well put. Masonry buildings readily collapse in earthquakes due to horizontal dynamic load causing tension in stone walls. This is followed by collapse as stone is very weak in tension. Many of the horrendous casualties in earthquakes are caused by people being buried alive in stone buildings that collapse too quickly for occupants to escape. There is nothing wrong with reinforced concrete (RC) as a building material. As with all construction, durability depends on material quality, design, and construction practice.
I've seen so many buildings in construction sites, where they first were made with concrete and THEN placed decorative stone outside. Since the 50's architects never thought about the longevity and beauty of buildings. It's time WE the public should take things in our hands, not the architects as they've proven.
Sadly, even when concrete buildings are faced with stone, that stone is merely thin sheets cut into nothing but flat planes - nearly always either polished marble or granite. Half the time as the building shifts with temperature change, the corners of those planes crack and fall revealing the squiggle of industrial glue and the hideous concrete underneath, as well as revealing the sheet is 2cm thick or less. Worst of all possible uses of a beautiful material ....
I'm a geologist, and passionate about ornamental stones at that, so this video was candy to me. The part that intrigued me the most was the price aspect. Every interior designer you talk to about, for example, kitchen countertops will tell you "Natural stone is the most beautiful material, you can't beat it. But it's *so* much more expensive. So people choose cheaper alternatives, like so called quartz (which is essentially artificial, fake rock made with natural rock fragments)". If that's not actually true, more people need to know about it. If buying stone slabs from a local producer turns out to be cheaper than faux stone, developers, builders, designers, and even everyday people who renovate their kitchens should get on board with that. One downside you didn't mention is that quarries are not pretty to look at and they can disrupt the ecosystem, causing loss of soil, affecting slope stability, aquifers, etc., so there's no such thing as free lunch. But exploiting and reopening existing quarrying sites is probably still a more sustainable option than extracting all the materials that are needed to make concrete. And yes, stone can be reused, if the buildings are disassembled smartly. That would require the same change in attitude that's needed to switch from concrete to stone as a source material: building up would take much longer, and tearing down would take much longer as well.
"If that's not actually true, more people need to know about it" - but the thing is that it *is true.* Despite of what the video states, cut stone is anything but cheap, and the costs of building with reinforced concrete went massively down over the last 3 decades. Not to mention that a huge appeal of reinforced concrete is its flexibility, an ability to build stuff that's just not physically possible out of the interlocked stone slabs.
@@SkywalkerWroc I don't disagree with your points, but in my comment I was specifically referring to slabs of rock being used for ornamental purposes (like kitchen countertops). And yes, flexibility is an issue there too: natural stone is harder to work on than fake stone, part of the price difference is certainly due to that. What people don't realize, I think, is the difference between a granite slab sourced from a local quarry vs. one from half way across the world. They're not the same item, but they are treated as such in that market, and that may well be why artificial rock is perceived as much cheaper, when in fact it isn't, in terms of costs of production.
@@Ernesto_Da_Faneda I agree with you on the local slab is cheaper than the imported one - but using kitchen countertops as an example - local often is not "beautiful enough" for your kitchen: a) kitchen countertops are usually light in colour and have specific pattern repetition - local natural stone usually is not that, therefore it is why natural stone countertops are always more expensive; b) heat & stains & chipping resistance of faux stone is superior to natural stone as well as lack of pores in faux stone to accumulate pathogens (I had natural granite window ceilings... and an accidental placement of a cuppa on it resulted in a permanent stain; my faux stone countertop withstands every blow of a kitchen in heavy daily use). So no, local stone for kitchen countertops is not a good option at all~
As a second year Civil Engineering student in Delft, I find this video incredibly fascinating. The curriculum of CE is unfortunately based mostly on building with concrete and steel, with very little emphasis on other materials. I would love to see a renaissance of building technology like you proposed. We need more beauty in our cities!
I suggest you take a deep dive into wood After carbon fibre, wood is simply the most effective weight/strength material we have today Norwegian engineers are proud to have built the tallest structure ever made of wood
Paige Saunders have a video where he did a survey of peoples exterior cladding preferences. he makes a good argument that people would be more supportive of new construction as long as the exterior of the new building was aesthetically pleasing.
Yes, I have no problem with modern techniques, but there is so much that looks like rubbish. Housing, commercial and offices should be pleasing to experience, industry is where form follows function.
Before watching, I'll make a guess that the reasons why we stopped building with stone are: cost of production and transportation, requirement of skilled labor, and material structure (at least to sky scrapers). Okay, after watching it, I believe I was mostly correct. I'm no engineer, architect or material researcher, but I believe stones will weigh a lot more than concrete and rebar. At some point the load will surpass the tensile strenght of the material, and even if the cathedral made of stone is built that high, notice that a good part of it is not built with usable space. The shape of the spire also gives it extra structural integrity, but you can't really use that space. An argument can be made that maybe we don't want skyscrapers, but if the talk is about materials alone, reinforced concrete has an advantage here. Another thing I noticed, an argument was made for the cost effectiveness of stone and how it can be on the same range of concrete, but the start of the video gave me a clue as to why that wouldn't be the case. Look at how the cities close to the quarries are made of the stone they cut. Obviously, they source from the nearest stone because it's the closest, and stone is hard to transport. Not only because of the weight, but because it can be damaged during transport over long distances. And if you try to source local everywhere, the point of having "less holes" is rendered null. But one thing I found interesting is the modularity aspect. Here in Brazil, pre-molded concrete is getting very popular, mostly in large buildings, but some house options are available. And it's sort of a middle of the road, large pieces of concrete that you can slot together like LEGO pieces, increasing construction speed. You can make basically any shape you need, often entire walls and floors, or just make the structural frame. Overall the topic is very interesting, but to the average person, it still sounds prohibitively expensive.
Or just place yourself in the shoes of a prospective homeowner, planning to build himself a single-family home. I honestly doubt he'll manage to find a contractor willing to pick up an order that small, let alone for a reasonable price.
How do you do demolition with stone... since implosion would not be an option in a controlled demolition. Furthermore, concrete and steel is recyclable. Stone not so much. Just sounds way to costly and inefficient.
@@charonstyxferryman Stones do not reconstitute into bigger stones. I can take a ton of rubble from concrete and reform it into a new block of concrete.
I'm enthusiastic about the use of stone in new architecture. Thanks for the video. I wish you included a segment addressing seismic considerations when using stone in architectural applications.
The 20 story stone building in Algeria has survived multiple earthquakes I believe, and the stone building by Archiplein in Swiss was also designed to be earthquake proof as it is in a seismically active area, but I’m not sure about the best practices and if it would work in the most extreme earthquake prone areas. The Inca drystone wall stone buildings in Peru have also survived for centuries, but those have polygonal walls that also seem to be earthquake proof
@@1121494 - historically, stone structures were notorious for their ability to "move"... if the ground failed (settlement) they would just disassemble and re-assemble. Similarly, you can have energy absorbing joints that dampen the structure. And reinforced stone can have some "smart joints" that are flexible / damping also. So... there is no real reason why it would be any more or less complicated than any other material. But... "rigid" is not the way to go in seismic zones, normally. They normally make things that "move in controlled manner"... reducing energy transfer first, and dissipating the remaining energy safely - after... not "rigid", but "energy absorbing"...
I live in London, I am a lifelong theatregoer, and I am in my 70s. Our National Theatre, designed by Denis Lasdun, is not only hideous to look at, it doesn't work as a theatre. Because it is built from reinforced concrete, the acoustics are terrible. The sound of the actors' voices bounces off the concrete and creates an echo. To avoid the echo, actors have to speak softly, which means they need microphones - a disgrace to all of us, as experienced actors should be able to make themselves heard at the back of the auditorium without requiring microphones. I hope I live long enough to see this horrible building torn down and replaced with something more suitable for the performance of the plays of the immortal William Shakespeare.
This is why I don’t get nearly as worked up about big box stores, strip malls, and giant parking lots as many urbanists do. They’re basically just holding space for future builders. Especially because nobody *likes* those structures, so nobody is going to bemoan when they’re repurposed.
@@JTonson wow, I had no clue about that. I always thought the National Theatre was hideous - I go past it often, but it's impractical too in terms of acoustic? insane
I live in the NW of Spain, where is warm, very humid and 150 km/h winds are the norm every winter. Unifamiliar houses make of wood (like in the USA) are unthinkable here. Insted we like to build our houses with stone. Since this is "granite land" that is the stone we use. There is even a variety of granite named after one of the quarry locations (pink Porriño). On the old times, the walls were load bearing with wood beams to support the flooring and roofing, and all is covered withe either clay or slate tiles. Hard wood was used, either oak or chestnut. Nowadays reinforced concrete is used as a skeleton and roof support and almost everything else in the exterior side is made of stone (or bricks if you can't afford the granite/labour). Houses are not the only use of granite either. Fences and retaining walls made exclusively with granite are very common too. Just check Google street view near the coast in Galicia and you will see the huge amounts of granite used on almost everything that can be made of stone.
You are using wood the wrong way. Look chinese or japanese wood structure, or for simple wood structure that can last at least 50-100 years, you can look at JOGLO construction. It can easily withstand 7.0 earthquake. Can be dismantled and rebuilding somewhere else.
It’s “unthinkable” to build a house from stone while also saying they live in “Granite land” Those things are related my dude. My state alone has forested areas equal to the size of European nations, we have tornadoes (stone, concrete won’t help if you get hit, nothing above ground and built by humans survives direct contact with big ones) and we have earthquakes, which will crack every wall in your house. We build from wood because it’s suited to our climate and it’s a highly available material. The exact same reasons Europe uses stone
Well, my experience with globigerina limestone is negative. Aesthetically speaking, there is the "honeycomb weathering" effect that completely destroys the stone relatively quickly. Then living in that kind of building is a health hazard because the stone captures humidity, causing damp-related illnesses. Go to Malta where globigerina limestone is used. In summer, it is hotter inside than outside; in winter, it is colder inside than outside. The country has a high prevalence of asthma and arthritis because of that building material. Buildings there are simply unfit for habitation. Buildings made of limestone in Malta also have a tendency to collapse. But that is because builders do not use a continuous layer of cement to glue blocks together. They just stack up blocks.
This is so real, not all buildings are suited to be built of stone and buildings should adapt to the environment. In Colombia by example, clay bricks are widely used because there is a lot of thermal floors and bricks are a cheap, good looking refractarian material that absorbs heat during the day, liberates it during the night and is flexible enough to create latticework for airflow (important in tropical countries) and we have 500 year old buildings made of that In Japan there are advantages of using wood and steel (due to their seismic requirements) so on and so forth…
And on the other end of the long list with challenges, real winters. 4+ months of snow and 1-4 weeks with temperatures close to -40… the walls would need to be 6 meters thick for every 100mm of insulation it replaces if my quick search is correct 😂 Thermal mass only works for day/night cycle
You don’t see many comments here that are not afraid to approach the real issue: money. In America, we find that the builders can pocket much bigger paychecks if they build houses made of popsicles sticks. I think people in Florida may finally have to face this question.
I had the ultimate Aesthetic City experience yesterday: I was on the road to an appointment only to get a phone call cancelling it, after I was already 200km from home. I was angry and hungry and looked for the nearest town to find something to eat. What I found was a picturesque town with an excellent Italian restaurant. Suddenly, I felt on vacation and my negativity subsided. That town had burnt down 1635 almost completely and vast parts of it today stem from the rebuilding phase almost 400 years ago. Thus, it has countless examples of peak Fachwerk. It was pretty much in the middle of nowhere and far from mass tourism. All this made it a hidden gem. Did anyone else make a similar experience?
One of the times I lived over in Germany it was Rottenburg just south of there. Been through it many times to Stuttgart and Nuremburg where my kids, stepkids and nieces and nephews live from my 1st and second wife and a wife and son's graves. Still, I have seen photos from my father in law of the rebuilding of the walls in Nuremburg along with the cathedral in the center of the city. I wish more photos would come out of the rebuilding of Germany, still not all was rebuilt to the old ways. Funny as an American that learned German and English growing up, funny now in my 50's I split my time between both worlds of how things were and are built. Now it is more in and around Nuremburg due to so much of my family being here.
Traditional architecture is a testament to what true diversity looks like. Its the unique differences from the various locations/regions that give them their identity. Diversity is not mix matching a bunch of different types of stone in one building (that would not be a stabilized structure), its ensuring a variety of cultures and customs that remain around the world. I don't want a sterile, bland, muddy society that cant be differentiated from another. Ppl are different and unique because of their own separate societies that are explicitly theirs.
This video is incredible. I thought it was the other way around that stone pollutes more than concrete and instead, as usual, you always teach us something new. I will continue to repeat it but your channel and your videos are a breath of fresh air and a breath of hope for the new generations thanks again for all the work you do and for this video!
Coming from humid tropical place, I don't know about finding quality wood. What about steel for the pillars? Edit: Okay, turns out, it's all explained in the video.
Or F tier, depending on the application and environmental conditions. Also, note that wood, stone and bricks are of a different properties (including the rate of deterioration), some of which might be amazing, other might be disastrous for a given application. The versatility of concrete is grossly underestimated.
Here in the UK, almost all buildings were made of locally fired stones, bricks and other materials, such as the famous Bath Limestone Stone in the West of England or Cotswold Stone in nearby areas, and the world known "London Redbrick", but unfortunately since the Second World war, Stone buildings have gone out of fashion, and most local authorities, at least in the South-East of England only approve new constructions made out of the now low-quality bricks from the "London Brick Company" (London Red Brick, mostly), and most quarries have been closed down and either left abandoned, in rare cases turned into reservoirs, or built in, such as in the case of the Bluewater Shopping Centre/Mall in North Kent (near South-East London). It is very unfortunate that Stone construction is not very popular now, hopefully that will change.
I suspect a wood and plastic building weighs 10x less than stone building and insulates better. There are reasons everyone in all countries stopped using stone. Stone also has random defects, random failures crush children if you know Italian history. Good riddance to natural stone, cement is predictable, would you let your family live in a stone house and take the 1 in 100000 risk of random sudden collapse as flaw in rock matrix takes effect. Yes or no? I love videos that fight against progress leaving out all the reasoning for the change, so fun to see.
@@mostlyguesses8385 There are ways to integrate stone into buildings, bud. The "progress" you mentioned is also about the ability to understand materials and design in a way that benefits us, beauty being a benefit. You can use concrete for certain parts and stone for other, so as to avoid the repeating of Italian history.
1 out of 1000 ancient Romans died in house collapse, cuz national stone has natural unpredictable weaknesses. Cement avoids that, a cement column can be 25% the mass of stone collumn, no need for as big a safety margin to deal with risk of natural defects... I like ideas but some ideas have more negatives than positives... For better mental health we literally all should live in transparent walled buildings, a greenhouse, glass has gotten good enough to do that, with steel posts for strength. .. dark houses are dumb, we do them cuz our ancestors had no choice.. ... Really light fiberglass with big windows is best, 2000 pounds for cottage vs 200000 pounds for wood, plastic, steel, brick normal house. To save earth we can change big, or we can let earth fry, , , oh well humans are clearly idiots and to avoid thinking deserve to fry... Lets not deny we had options and chose to do little change.... I live on hunter 260 sailboat, 1900 pounds, you live in 200000 pound polluting mansion, , , , I don't care but God gave us options and better ways and we declined, we this have to accept blame, , , , I have no kids so I really don't mind us driving world into collapse, oh well is my motto, but it's a choice... Fun!
It's funny, that for 3+ years I've been developing a method to use brick for an exterior weathering face, stone and the loadbearing exterior and interior walls, CLT for the floor and roof plates, and Glulam timbers for the floor and roof beams. Then rockwool for insulation/fire protection (made from basalt, another rock) and and light steel hat-track to create acoustic floating. The goal was a home design that would last >400 years. Then this video came out...
Iv been working on a way to use electricity to mold granite in order to make it air tight and disaster proof. I think it will be mainstream by the end of the decade
@@TS-jm7jm yeah. I think it will take like 10,000 voltz but it could also require a frequency feedback machine that feeds its core frequency back into itself exponentially
Vast majority of the brick & stone buildings do not survive ">400 years". The once you see still standing is a classic case of survivorship bias. There are many "> 400 years" old wooden buildings as well, doesn't mean that wooden houses are inherently long-lasting - they're really not. It's just yet another case of survivorship bias.
I studied Clerkenwell Close last semester after Pierre gave us a lecture on it over Zoom! Pre/post-tensioned stone is pretty cool, but it’s interesting to note that something similar was done at Amiens Cathedral hundreds of years ago! When structural issues started to occur, the genus that was the medieval mind installed a massive red-hot iron chain that wrapped the interior of the triforium. When it cooled, the chain contracted and kept the whole thing in compression while the chain was in tension. Pretty amazing! Note: I don’t remember the sources for this, but I’ve seen it and heard it in several places. If I’m wrong, my apologies!
While I do not much care for modern concrete and glass and hope stone would be used more, the unexamined belief that buildings should last thousands of years is a major oversight of this video. There is a reason Pierre Bidaud points out that stone buildings become quarries, it is because they all do. Even the Egyptian pyramids have all been used as quarries, at least one down to its foundations. Buildings are built to last 50 years because there is little to no incentive to build them to last longer. A person, or company will have different needs and requirements in 50 years, and there is no way to know what those needs will be. It is often much more difficult to retrofit an existing building that no longer meets your needs than to build one that does, especially a building built to purpose such as a factory. There is an implicit survivor bias in ancient monuments as most were great public works, and public buildings are frequently built to imply permanence, a thousand years, but that makes them very difficult and therefore expensive to update. There is a reason property owners do not wish their property to be on a historical registry; the costs for maintenance skyrocket, and upgrades such as enough cooling to run those newly required servers in the basement will take years, if approved at all. So, the building will become a quarry, if not in fifty years, then in a hundred if not protected. And if protected, you will need a second building with a matching facade to account for the new requirements and museum gift shop. Also, saying that you can just "disassemble" a stone building is disingenuous. Quarrying buildings is more dangerous than demolition because the quarrying is attempting to recover material with minimal damage which adds a significant layer of complexity and therefore risk to the process. Adjacent to this, and also not addressed in the video, 13 years ago a moderate earthquake caused $38 million in damage to the National Cathedral, and it is still being repaired. Modern buildings in earthquake zones are now built to very stringent codes that create real technical challenges. While the complex interlocking stonework of lighthouses prove that it is possible there will be additional costs, loss of interior space, and flexibility. None of this is reason not to use stone. But trying to convince a board that there is savings in building a building to last 200 years when the ROI may take 50 or more years is a losing argument when they are looking at profits for the next business cycle. Architects would love to have their work stand as a monument to their skill and artistic prowess forever, but generally they are not the ones paying the bill.
One would hope our profit focused economic system will also change and evolve. Much like the buildings and requirements you talk about, human economic systems and societies evolve. Perhaps as we transition to a more sustainable economy (infinite growth is impossible so a growth focused model cannot go on indefinitely) we will have the ability to build for reasons other than financial ROI.
Besides profit, stone buildings take more energy to heat each year, vs plastic and wood walls. There's a reason entire world and all countries left stone behind. I suspect a tent w running electric heater is probably better way not a 1 million pound house, so truly archicture is still on wrong track. I live in 2000lb fiberglass sailboat, a Hunter 260, again seems architecture is dumb. I cld be wrong.
Concrete is still cheaper and 90% of people in the world are poor. Think 3rd world public buildings budgets. Many people in my 3rd world country don't mind if the hospital their government provided for them is made of steel and concrete and looks cold/bland like any modern building constructed today (sometimes they look really bad it makes me wince) as long as the hospital is functional, staffed with sufficient doctors, nursers, personnel and stocked with at least basic medicines.
"...the unexamined belief that buildings should last thousands of years is a major oversight of this video." Yes. We r sick n tired of e idea that every single structure needs 2 b built 4 1000s of years. If it lasts 4 10 years, u get 2 rebuild it often. If it lasts 4 30-50 years, each generation gets 2 build sth that suits THEM, rather than being condemned 2 caring 4 a building that may not suit them.
This video has inspired me to look into how to make stone buildings earthquake-proof, as that's a real reason for many countries to go all-in on reinforced concrete
I love that a competently-made video on this topic exists now. This thought has been cooking inside of me for a long time as well. Strolling through the little Villages full of Stone houses in southwest England I never understood how this material went out of fashion. I also firmly decided that, should I ever have the opportunity to build a house, I would try to build as much of it as possible from local stone. So yeah, thanks for kind of confirming tiny little wishes of mine that I always felt were quite good hunches.
That's very beautiful. Thank you Ruben. I'm a carpenter so I tend to think wood (proper timber framing to be fair). But I feel very inspired by your content to get into stone. I just quit an uni study of architecture.. going back into crafts trying to make a change straight on the market. I want make plannings with stone as well. The only honest way to learn that feels like hitting it. Looking forward. All the best from Germany
As a filmmaker I support your mission, all modern concrete cities look the same that's why I don't make films in them, they have no identity, if they used local stone instead of concrete, then the color of the buildings suddenly matches the colors of the local Enviromint, giving the city a sense of identity, belonging and a past to the land in which it is built, other wise everything is the same as everything else, germany is the same as paris, and new yorke, why even go traveling if that becomes the case?
I'm from the belgian province of Hainaut and I've always loved our traditional buildings made of our precious limestone and, of course, sturdy belgian bricks. I hope we'll be building like this again in the future. I'm so tired of those ugly glass boxes
Totally agree, amazing video! I stand for starting the use of stone once again, support the local economy and support and respect the planet we all live on 💎
You seem a little confused, Bathstone is a sedimentary limestone not fired, look around central Bath or central London it’s all stone predominantly Portland limestone in London. The main issue with stonemasonry is pay, it’s terrible, it takes ten years to be productive in an independent capacity, there’s an enormous amount to learn and physically demanding…the rewards are simply not worth it, I am the last of a family generation, when asked why my son never became a stonemason I reply “because I love my son”.
@@deanwakley8357 Sad but true. I've spent most of my working life laying bricks producing those red box houses you now see all over England. Years ago looking for something more fore fulling I looked into switching to stone masonry. Despite the obvious up grade in the skill once trained I was dismayed to discover my wages would have almost halved if I had taken that route.
So simple, yet so elegant of a solution!!! The comments section is so full of experts and craftsmen in the field, very rare to see on RUclips. Thank you for such a wonderful video...
Really like the idea of a modular stone building block that could be used in different designs for houses and small builldings. Imagine if we could share our global solutions for all kinds of different construction problems using local and abundant materials
I struggle to believe that reinforced concrete has a lifespan of just 50 years... so long as the reinforcing rods are kept away from moisture, or galvanized before use. Yes, exterior cantilevered balconies can have issues with "concrete cancer" but do the concrete columns and floors of curtain wall buildings really have issues? Having said that, I'm all for transitioning to low-carbon alternatives which could be Roman concrete. Regardless, natural stone and concrete are both heavy which means considerable energy to move it around. I am reminded of Buckminster Fuller's question to Normal Foster, "How much does your building weigh?"
Concrete can indeed last (much) longer, but it depends on many factors. A well executed building in reinforced concrete can stand for 100 years with ease, one with construction mistakes might need renovation within 30 years. But at some point, natural processes like carbonation will take their toll on reinforced concrete. Most buildings are built to have enough cover to have no problems until the 50 year point, at that point the carbon dioxide reaches the rebar and deterioration can start. It can take 50 more years or longer till structural failure, but the oxidation/ rust process is not something that can be stopped unless measures are taken. With renovation and maintenance, the life span can be increased, but it would be better to build in a way that doesn’t require renovation every couple of decades
@@the_aesthetic_city Thank you for responding! If the reinforcing bars are the issue, it seems that building codes should demand that they be galvanized since the implication of what you say is that we can expect a lot of poorly maintained buildings to collapse in the coming decades. I've been involved with Home Owners' Associations (USA) and Body Corporates (AU) and the maintenance fees tend to skew to the poorest people in the building so only minimal work gets done.
Its a shame people have the worry that "oh we'll destroy an area of land with a quarry if we use stone" since they can visualise a quarry, but they pay no attention to the horrendous sand dredging in the oceans that's needed to provide the sand for concrete and the untold ecological damage that's doing.
I love this channel! I started Architecture school a month ago. I will be using the things that I have learnt from these videos in my studies. Thank you so much!
If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it! Very few materials can rival stone or wood in Beauty. Stone also has an incredibly long lifespan, making it far more “sustainable” than modern concrete and steel.
Most modern day developers don't want to build anything to last, because doing so would effectively result in developing themselves out of jobs, i.e. wealth. We live in societies that don't see the value in humans having increased leisure time to create things for the sake of creation, as opposed to constantly rebuilding out of necessity (which results in "economic growth") because the 1% and their minions (e.g. politicians and law enforcement required to protect their financial interests) would no longer be necessary either. They require a permanent underclass that's always struggling to survive (through displacement, rebuilding and migration), because people who are always struggling to survive don't have time or energy to overthrow their oppressors.
It's more so wanting to build as cheaply so they can make as much profit, because land is expensive. This is even worse in suburbs, which are a waste of space and look ugly.
@@dragonkinss yes, it's a form of planned obsolescence, and I suppose rent (and multi-decade amortizations) equates to software subscriptions - we pay for 'x' thing but are never allowed to own it outright, and the people being paid make off like bandits.
Well, one of the problems to solve before starting to build with stone is: people who know how to build with stone. Not the architects or engineers, the guy at construction site. Here in Brazil you will find only people between 50 and 70 years old working with this type of construction
I am from India and don't want these ugly so called modern buildings , I will be Europe ( Belgium ) next year for my bachelor study, I want those cultural, asthetic and sustained architectures to see , keep it up , we all are with you , please keep making architectural beauty , for cities , we want those cities to make instead of ugly modern one
Concrete is still cheaper and 90% of people in the world are poor. Think 3rd world public buildings budgets. Many people in my 3rd world country don't mind if the hospital their government provided for them is made of steel and concrete and looks cold/bland like any modern building constructed today (sometimes they look really bad it makes me wince) as long as the hospital is functional, staffed with sufficient doctors, nursers, personnel and stocked with at least basic medicines.
The people who fund these constructions are greedy penny pinchers. They don't want to contribute anything to the community, like making a more beautiful street. Aesthetics are the least priority.
Agree based on the merits of the material in terms of suitability for the application or based on the potential financial gains it may mean for business?
Thank you for that food for thought. As an Architect I ve always struggled with the current building philosophy of cheap housing and ugliness of it all. Happy to see that there is a glimpse of understanding longterm.
As an architect, trust me I would love nothing more than to build with stone. However, stone and insulation do not mix. Sure it has collosal thermal mass but you need insulation to come anywhere close to modern requirements. So the issue becomes how does one integrate load bearing stone with insulation cheaply while keeping its attractive exterior visible. Its a tought nut to crack.
In Switzerland they did it somehow with a real, multi level apartment buliding: www.stone-ideas.com/105029/archiplein-perraudin-architectes-solid-stone/ "The exterior walls do not require thermal insulation. The thermal inertia of the stone keeps the heat peaks outside in summer and the heat inside in winter."
@SlayerBG93 Couldn't a natural/breathable insulation material be used on the interior of the building? Like wood fibre board, or aerogel insulation? A lot of folks like to have plastered interiors anyway, so why couldn't that be done? Or, if you want to keep the stone exposed both on the interior and exterior, why not add a cavity for insulation? As long as the material is breathable I would imagine it'd work (but then I'm not expert and this is just conjecture).
In former Soviet block there are whole city districts, which were build from cheap reinforced concrete panels. Many of them were built more than 50 years ago, and most of them are absolutely fine. Well, from structural point of view - from other points it could be easily argued they are not. When they're demolished, structural reasons are very rare. Those are kind of buildings, that are usually cheaper to demolish and rebuild from scratch than to renovate, so it is hard to make an argument that they are maintained in expensive way (and in reality I know for sure that they are not at least where I lived). There are examples of buildings, which are older than that and are in good shape. Including the type I mentioned - non-significant buildings, which could be easily demolished if needed. I am not trying to say that concrete is great and we shouldn't look for replacement. From decarbonization point of view it is an unsolved problem right now, so new technologies of building should be welcome. But using false arguments to support the effort is bad and it hurts the whole idea in the long run.
@@kelaarin Well, it depends. Those kind of building I'm talking about do suck. But later iterations don't suck as much. Even nowadays such kind of building are built. Anyway, my comment was mostly about longevity of concrete,
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This which rises in France built with stone blocks for the walls are absolutely amazing. The feel and environment inside will be akin to the feeling of being inside a gothic cathedral. I wish we could do that here in America. I’m a huge advocate of this sort of thing, walkability, traditional architecture, etc. But we have just so many problems that people are focused on other things and I can’t get their attention.
There are tons of awesome "new" things we could do with stone too. For example "mega" sized stone blocks are now possible with modern construction equipment, we could build IMMENSE structures now.
Concrete is still cheaper and 90% of people in the world are poor. Think 3rd world public buildings budgets. Many people in my 3rd world country don't mind if the hospital their government provided for them is made of steel and concrete and looks cold/bland like any modern building constructed today (sometimes they look really bad it makes me wince) as long as the hospital is functional, staffed with sufficient doctors, nursers, personnel and stocked with at least basic medicines.
We should build more with timber, especially when it comes to residential dwellings. Timber is natural, strong, flexible, durable, a good insulator and it is sustainable. It stores carbon and ticks many environmental boxes. Not only that, timber buildings, whether traditional or modern, exude a certain warmth. It is a great material in cold climates, the tropics and any climate in-between. Timber can be painted, or not and construction methods are extremely flexible ranging from log construction, shingle or tongue in grove siding, to timber composite exteriors. What most people really want is a variety of materials and styles. Traditional designs are preferred over modernism and minimalism. Most importantly, housing has to become affordable and accessible to most people and be something more than just provide the utility of shelter. There has to be relatable and aesthetically pleasing aspect to all architecture regardless of function.
Timber is horrible in the tropics and any warm climate with higher moisture. Mold and thermites are a maintenance nightmare for timber. Tinker is full of crevices that can hide all kinds of pests, from roaches to bed bugs and make them near impossible to completely eradicate those pests with pesticides. And they are fire traps, they catch fire really easily and can't be repaired after a fire is extinguished.
I love timber. It's warm and easy to work with. Unfortunately the termites in my tropical country loves timber more than I do. They love it so much they eat it. And imported anti-termite chemicals are so expensive here. A liter would cost a quarter of a common worker's weekly pay. Besides the government has restricted the cutting, sale and use of lumber trees.
Very important topic. I would love to see a shift towards using stone. The reciprocity between the philosophy of using stone and the environment build by stone influencing the philosophy of social conduct is huge. Thank you for creating this beautiful documentary
Pumicecrete is by far the best building material on the planet Pumicecrete is a mixture of pumice cement and water mixed and poured into a set of reusable forms walls are poured from 12"to 24" thick pumicecrete is fireproof termite proof rust rot and mold proof non toxic and has a high R value and good sound attenuation solid poured walls means no critters can live in your walls Pumicecrete can be built for a fraction of the cost and time and pumice is one of the few building materials that can go directly from the mine to the job site ready to use without any additional possessing and zero waste Google all the walls of my house are made of pumicecrete Take care Ray
@assasin101011 we never stopped using it, but it became less and less common due to high cost. A recent example. I changed the outside doors and windows with modern 3 glass aluminum. On the bottom of each one, I put a slab of marble with dimensions of 30cm by 120cm by 2cm thickness. Four marble slabs like this cost around 300 usd, which is ridiculous for a low quality marble....
Indians have a continuous tradition of building stone temple thousands of years before till today. Our temple are still build on stone and its magnificent. We have our ancient scriptures on how to build these structures. Checkout these recent temples Yadadrigutta temple Akshardham temple Statue of Equality temple The main 2 scriptures are AGAMAS aand VASTUSHASTRA.
Vastu shastra (vāstu śāstra - literally "science of architecture") are texts on the traditional Indian system of architecture. These texts describe principles of design, layout, measurements, ground preparation, space arrangement, and spatial geometry. The designs aim to integrate architecture with nature, the relative functions of various parts of the structure, and ancient beliefs utilising geometric patterns (yantra), symmetry, and directional alignments. Vastu Shastra are the textual part of Vastu Vidya - the broader knowledge about architecture and design theories from ancient India. Vastu Vidya is a collection of ideas and concepts, with or without the support of layout diagrams, that are not rigid. Rather, these ideas and concepts are models for the organisation of space and form within a building or collection of buildings, based on their functions in relation to each other, their usage and the overall fabric of the Vastu. Ancient Vastu Shastra principles include those for the design of Mandir (Hindu temples), and the principles for the design and layout of houses, towns, cities, gardens, roads, water works, shops and other public areas. Of the numerous Sanskrit treatises mentioned in ancient Indian literature, some have been translated in English. Many Agamas, Puranas and Hindu scriptures include chapters on architecture of temples, homes, villages, towns, fortifications, streets, shop layout, public wells, public bathing, public halls, gardens, river fronts among other things. In some cases, the manuscripts are partially lost, some are available only in Tibetan, Nepalese or South Indian languages, while in others original Sanskrit manuscripts are available in different parts of India. Some treatises, or books with chapters on Vaastu Shastra include: *Manasara *Brhat samhita (Chapters 53-58) *Mayamata *Anka sastra *Aparajita Vāstu Śastra *Maha-agamas (28 books, each with 12 to 75 chapters) *Ayadi Lakshana *Aramadi Pratishtha Paddhati (includes garden design) *Kasyapiya *Kupadi Jala Sthana Lakshana *Kshetra Nirmana Vidhi (preparation of land and foundation of buildings including temples) *Gargya samhita (pillars, doors, windows, wall design and architecture) *Griha Pithika (types of houses and their construction) *Ghattotsarga Suchanika (riverfront and steps architecture) *Jnana ratna kosha *Vastu sarani (measurement, ratio and design layouts of objects, particularly buildings) *Devalaya Lakshana (treatise on construction of temples) *Dhruvadi shodasa gehani (guidelines for arrangement of buildings with respect to each other for harmony) *Nava sastra (36 books, most lost) *Agni Purana (Chapters 42 through 55, and 106 - Nagaradi Vastu) *Matsya Purana (Chapters 252 through 270) *Maya samgraha *Prasada kirtana *Prasada Lakshana *Tachchu sastra (primarily home design for families) *Manushyalaya Lakshana (primarily human dwelings) *Manushyalaya Chandrika *Mantra dipika *Mana kathana (measurement principles) *Manava vastu lakshana *Manasollasa (chapters on house layout, mostly ancient cooking recipes) *Raja griha nirmana (architecture and construction principles for royal palaces) *Rupa mandana *Vastu tattva *Vastu nirnaya *Vastu purusha lakshana *Vastu prakasa *Vastu pradipa *Vastu manjari *Vastu mandana *Vastu lakshana *Vastu vichara *Vastu Vidya *Vastu vidhi *Vastu samgraha *Vastu sarvasva *Vimana lakshana (tower design) *Visvakarma prakasa (home, roads, water tanks and public works architecture) *Vaikhanasa *Sastra jaladhi ratna *Silpa prakasa *Silparatna *Silpakala Dipika *Silpartha Śastra Sanatkumara Vāstu Śastra Samarangana Sutradhara
A great example of a newer building (or more precisely series of buildings) built with stone is the Getty Center in Los Angeles. Situated on the hills overlooking the city, it’s clad with walls of beige/white travertine, giving the sense that you are among ancient ruins, quite fitting for an art museum housing historic works of art. Despite the fact that it’s designed in a modern style of architecture, it’s quite an attractive set of buildings, built masterfully and precisely, taking advantage of what the local environment has to offer.
The whole idea of building with stone has ring of 'classicism' behind it. The vast majority of historical structures, still remaining on the planet, from any cultural tradition, are all of stone. It (stone structures throughout history) has an almost eternal 'ethos' behind it.
I live in a small mountain west town in the US, with many homes and churches that were built in the late 1800's using cream-colored oolite limestone, that was quarried east of town. There's nothing more beautiful than stone, and I'd love to see more of it.
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If you see housing as an investment to extract profit from and not a piece of art, it will make perfect sense to build it with a limited lifetime in mind. Making houses out of stone will make thousands of construction companies and real estate agents obsolete.
10:32 :Thermal mass works fine to balance out cold nights whith hot days, when the median heat loss to the outside is compensated by internal heat sources. For longer lasting deveations, you simply can't do wthout insulation.
It's not as much about insulation as it is air movement. So if the stone building is airtight and thick enough, once you get the inside temp to the right temp it will do a decent job of holding in the heat or cold. This can also be fixed but creating a gap between the stone. For example if u need a 10" stone wall to support the load, u could put two rows of 5" stone and inch apart with beams spanning both. If the airflow in the gap is minimum it would insulate better than anything we typically put in walls. Can't beat our current baseline construction methods for cost/performance ratio tho.
In my neck of the woods houses were built this way using bricks- up to about 60 years ago. The main reason however wasn't insulation, but to keep moisture from winddriven rain from creeping through the wall. They even left some holes for ventilation to dry back the outer wall! Nowadays many people fill up the gap whith blow in insulation to reduce heating bills. This is very cost effective, but risks humidity damages. By the way: according to DIN ISO 9646 an inch airgap only gived a R value of 0.18 m x m x K / W . I dont know what this is in imperial, but it equals about a 1/4" of e.g. styrofoam. Way to little for our climate !
Concrete is an artificial rock which could be moulded into a desired shape. Reinforced concrete is the combination of concrete and steel making the concrete more efficient than just stone, in relation to its width to height ratio. But concrete and stone is practically the same.
It's a question of how affordable do you want things to be? Are banks and lenders willing to break the cost over a century versus a few decades? Or should the price of everything just be higher? There are techniques that are becoming more popular in the US that are 1/10th to 1/20th the price of some of these stone buildings.
Can you go deeper into the thermal and insulation topic? I know there are types of stone that consist mostly of air like pumice and in sufficient thickness will be very energy efficient (basically the natural version of Ytong). But the average limestone, granite, etc. to my knowledge is just as bad at insulation as concrete. No thermal mass can prevent this, over a long winter, it will lose all the energy.
Stone is terrible insulation! Don't even bother calculating the stone's input to the insulation. Per unit thickness, stone has only a few % of the insulation value of mineral fiber insulation, so just face the interior with some insulation, studs and gypsum board and you wlll have almost all the insulating value coming from the insulation. However... stone's density makes it a natural heat reservoir. In an environment with sunny days and cool/cold nights, the stone will absorb heat from the sun in the daytime and radiate at night, which can reduce energy consumption. It is very important to provide a interior insulation and finish for the stone wall anyway. Unless you want the stone interior to have the damp, moldy look of a medieval castle. This is because of what we call the "dew point" in the wall. If cold stone is exposed to warm, humid interior air there will be condensation on the wall. So it is best to create a gap with afore mentioned insulation, air barrier, and gypsum board.
@@levybenathome I lived for 18 months in a solid stone french farmhouse, it was modernised but no wall insulation. In the summers it was delightful, in the winter months it was baltic! Houses designed to be well ventilated.
Growing up, I was fascinated with Marble tiles, I always wanted a green marble coaster and recently, I was looking to get a fancy painting palette and a base plate for my audio equipment that is made out of natural stone like marble. I am completely aware of the expensive price tags that come with them, and I'm looking towards scrap materials. So when I was watching 12:50, I was shocked, I am struggling to get marble right here, and you're telling me that
There’s something disturbingly Keynesian about concrete. Paying people to build in concrete and then paying them to dismantle it a few years later. There’s no long term vision or cultural mission here, just money cycles.
It really takes away economic potential that could go towards other activities in the economy rebuilding the same buildings every 100 years when we could just build once do a Lil maintenance and have the same structure for 1000+ years
Wealth is never accumulated when you are trapped in a continuum of building and rebuilding. And there is never anything historical that grounds you to the location. Maybe that is all by design, as George Orwell describes in 1984 about the purpose of a war economy.
I have no problem with concrete. Contrasting stone with concrete is a misunderstanding of the problem. Many of the theses about concrete in this film are simply untrue. And if someone thinks that building with stone is cheaper or more ecological, they don't even know how wrong they are.
Most buildings are shells with a facard. They can factory build each component. Stone components factory cut and shapped next to the quarry. Once it is on the rack it is quick and fast.
I completely agree with you on the role of skilled labor. CNC machines are impressive in terms of efficiency and precision, but they lack the artistic sensitivity and judgment that human hands bring. Stone carving has nuances-adjusting for grain, subtle irregularities, and the desired texture-that machines just can’t replicate. It's the craftsmanship, detail, and care that truly keep the integrity and soul of these historic buildings alive.
Yeah sure let's build with stone again. It's a great natural material. And who is gonna pay the huge additional construction cost? What? Oh, we'll just send you the bill and you'll pay for it? That's nice to hear.🤣🤣🤣
@@c6h5choh-cn82 the video's point was that it doesn't always have to be that more expensive. also I'd prefer a culture that valued beauty and endurance more than what is cheapest in the moment.
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@@c6h5choh-cn82I'm American and have zero interest in visiting the "3rd World". Civilization is inherited and can be built on any dirt whether that is Australia, South Africa or the Americas. eg. build your own comfortable life.
Love this, love the idea. Perhaps the one thing that should be noted is that, while stone has many benefits, aesthetically it needs to be styled for the times. Renaissance and Gothic architecture isn't going to appeal to the masses these days. Not in most parts of the world.
@@sanniepstein4835 Fair, but if you survey people on the streets in places like America, Australia, etc etc (as in not the EU), I wager 9 out of 10 people have absolutely no interest in Renaissance/Gothic/Victorian era architecture. I appreciate it, but it's not for everyone.
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If we went back to it, I’d love to see a revival of serious (not postwar, and definitely not postmodern) architecture. I’d love to see people incorporate their respective cultural designs and aesthetic influence in construction again. Stone seems like a wonderful means to do that long term.
My concern too, living in Vancouver. Always thought reinforced concrete or wood was best here, though engineered wood is starting to be used quite a bit for buildings up to 20+ storeys.
I love this channel. I think the main issue currently is, you need to have a proper architect and also a construction company which knows how to work with this sort of construction and calculate the building costs.
I couldn't agree more, stone is exquisite to look at that is carved, and whet they put into museums should be on the outside and our lives lived in beauty!!!
I feel like the video maker didn’t do any research in the structural use of stone, or the use of stone in general First the “ugly” stone is most of the time extremely weak stone, as the same ugly ununiform line passing the stone are usually weak point were foreign materials separates two rock layers or former cracks in the stone that were filled with dirt carried by water passing through the stone, so every ugly line is a crack waiting to happen Second when trying to design a structure with stone, there is almost no cheap way of knowing if there are any internal cracks in the stone, so the structural engineer can’t assume that there are no cracks in the stone, so they are left with considering that there are crack in the stone, this makes the design strength of the stone really weak, like a fifth (20%) of the strength of the weakest concrete, so a concrete wall that’s is load bearing with a thickness of 20cm (8”) if made out of stone needs to be 1 meter (3’) thick, and that is not considering that the concrete wall needs to carry a 20 cm thick wall above it while the stone one needs to carry 1 meter thick wall. Third most natural stone is not that resilient, it’s weak , chemically unstable, full of cracks, full of pours, so it’s far worst than reinforced concrete in longevity, and the pours are a perfectly environment for mold to live (that looks disgusting), and the same mold will accelerate the breakdown of the stone. Finally steel reinforced concrete isn’t actually that bad, it can be built to last(use sulfur resistant concrete when near salt water or a salty soil, and to have proper cover of the steel rebar with concrete to prevent the rusting of the steel rebar 3-7 cm (1”-3”)), concrete can look beautiful if it’s polished or have a good surface finish, but these cost money and arguably less money that building with stone, and environmentally it’s also better as quarry to dig a 0.2 meter thick concrete wall worth of material is smaller than one that cuts a 1 meter thick stone wall, and most of concrete’s mass is aggregate that can be locally sourced so lower emissions from transport compared to stone that needs to be 5 times as big to have the same strength and cant be sourced locally in all costal cities (costal cities usually have a really thick dirt or sand layer covering the bed rock, and if you try to dig until you find rock you are greeted with water filling the hole you dug faster than you can pump the water out, and the majority of big cities are also costal)
9:25 this is bs argument. we aren't counting "holes" in the ground. it's all about the volume. reinforced concrete is very strong and being versatile it mean more strength for less volume especially on longer spans. concrete columns, beams and slabs are often pretty fine all things considered. so at the end of the day it's irrelevant how many holes if they in total are smaller than one huge hole.
I agree with you, although he might mean that you then have to transport your materials from a bunch of different locations. That might be an issue, as with stone, you just have your one site and transport it all from there.
The touch of stone is amazingly natural and wonderful. You feel amazing with the touch of stone surfaces, no matter how ornamented or refined is the stone building, it will make you feel as if you were at a natural grotto, in the entrails or the 'womb', in a more literary language, of our mother nature. Most of the beautiful temples of the world, which made spirituality more attractive, were made of stone. It instills a great feeling. Undoubtedly God gave us stone rather than other materials.
It is not a good idea. Seismic resistant buildings require a certain degree of flexibility and stone only works with compressive forces, stone buildings in seismic regions have a precedent of collapsing.
Those who identify as progressive and environmentalists should advocate for the use of stone, which allows for the construction of structures for future generations in harmony with nature.
Im American, I would love to see more American cities using stone and more natural materials. In some of our old cities especially on the east cost you'll find a lot of brick buildings, but, this would be really cool to see more wide spread in America.
The USA must have insane amounts of good quality stone of all different kinds. Like Georgian marble for example www.polycor.com/legacy-brands/georgia-marble-company/ Only, I did hear a story (so take it with a grain of salt) from an architect in Georgia about this that they ship it to Canada for processing first, and then ship it out to the final location, that makes it obviously less competitive. Local processing is key
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can you make hundred story stone buildings? also in my opinion st basils in moskow is the pretiest building because of its towers domes and amazing colors
though i still love giant glass skyscrapers but i wish they used colered glass like in churches imagine a skyscraper with nature and history as wals made of stained glass
can you make a video about modern aversion to bright colour and nature paterns
also did you know roman buildings and statues were painted in bright colours
stone is compacted minerals just like they used in the pyramids! u dont need to shape a bolder u can mold stone
You want to have a look at basalt rebar.
Dutch stonecarver here. Belgian blue limestone is a very tough material, but 300 years is about the end of its lifespan. It's usually not applied as a building material itself, but more as a cladding material, the internal structure commonly was made out of brick. It has always been quite an expensive material. We just finished the Utrecht Dom Tower, where we replaced many limestone parts that were about 100 years old (it is hoped that the new English Portlandstone will last a century longer). Stone does not have an eternal lifespan, but with proper maintenance buildings can last a very long time.
Skilled labour would be an issue. Much is done with cnc robots nowadays, but without that human touch it would end up looking lifeless and fake. Plus the work would be adapted to what the machine can do, not to what it should look like
How long did it take for that stone to be created?
@@jamewakk that would depend on the type of stone. Travertine is deposited in days, tuff ash is deposited in hours but takes centuries to harden, sandstone similar, or deposited over hundreds of thousands of years and takes thousands of years to harden, granite is solidified earth crust formed in the formation of the earth itself, billions of years ago.
that's basically foreever compare to concrete
this what those extrame classicals don't understand. the only thing they worry about when it comes to architecture is aesthetics - As much as I believe the importance of it- with ZERO knowledge of cost efficiency, time and skilled labor while ignoring much important topics. I don't like modernism but god I hate when classicals lovers start yapping... I would love to hear more about ur experience if possible
@@salmansa3467 This very video discusses other things besides aesthetics!
One aspect that was implied in this video, but not expended on, is that the type of stone used in constructions can impact the identity of the place. For example, in the Loire valley in France, there is a lot of buildings (and castles) with white walls, because there is a lot of tuffeau there. However in Tuscany, in Italy, the stone is more yellow, contributing to the warm landscapes of the region. Because in ancient times, each place was built using local ressources, every city was born from the very stone it lands upon. That created an identity and a visual landmark. It's a "when you see this type of stones, you know you're in that place" type of thing, wich creates a reassuring feeling.
I was just about to say this. Even going town to town in Scotland, you see very different aesthetics just based on the local choice of stone.
Fully agree. I love Neuchatel, Switzerland because it has warm yellow stone buildings. I can also appreciate the greenish stone in Bern, but it feels colder and more serious.
I agree! Meanwhile, in Armenia, most buildings are made from the locally available Pink Tuff, giving the buildings and as a result, basically the entire country, extremely chracteristic orange appearance.
Very good point. In Sweden we have red granite from the Bohuslän region and limestone in Gotland, sandstone from Roslagen and marble from Östergötland. This is reflected in buildings in the different regions.
3:02 Just after the going over the 7 types of building stone. It is only a sentence or two , but it is an acknowledgement of the observation to which you are referring.
As a Japanese I want to point out that a multi floor building like the one shown in the video wouldn't last long in the event of a strong earthquake. Reinforced concrete in Japan lasts a lot longer than in western countries because pillars are (indicatively) 3 or 4 times thicker with more rebar and more cement used (in order to meet anti seismic criteria). Also the distance between the rebar and the outside elements is greater and Ive never seen spalling in Japan. We use spacers and build with very high quality inert aggregate materials, so only pre WW2 structures show signs of degradation while I've seen buildings from the 60s and 70s that should already be demolished in Europe, as the rebar is already exposed.
Well put. Masonry buildings readily collapse in earthquakes due to horizontal dynamic load causing tension in stone walls. This is followed by collapse as stone is very weak in tension. Many of the horrendous casualties in earthquakes are caused by people being buried alive in stone buildings that collapse too quickly for occupants to escape. There is nothing wrong with reinforced concrete (RC) as a building material. As with all construction, durability depends on material quality, design, and construction practice.
Apart from the occasional and exceptionally shoddy or old examples, I have to agree with Japan's RC structures ironically lasting well.
As a Californian, you have answered the question I had. Thank you.
I've seen so many buildings in construction sites, where they first were made with concrete and THEN placed decorative stone outside. Since the 50's architects never thought about the longevity and beauty of buildings. It's time WE the public should take things in our hands, not the architects as they've proven.
Amen!!
A lot of stone facades are really just concrete blocks made to look like stone.
Sadly, even when concrete buildings are faced with stone, that stone is merely thin sheets cut into nothing but flat planes - nearly always either polished marble or granite. Half the time as the building shifts with temperature change, the corners of those planes crack and fall revealing the squiggle of industrial glue and the hideous concrete underneath, as well as revealing the sheet is 2cm thick or less. Worst of all possible uses of a beautiful material ....
i think u are very confused architects basically only think about the beauty and longevity of buildings its like the one thing they do.
@@linkhidalgogato No, it they did they wouldn't be designing ugly post modernist buildings that are also poorly made and have water issues.
I'm a geologist, and passionate about ornamental stones at that, so this video was candy to me. The part that intrigued me the most was the price aspect. Every interior designer you talk to about, for example, kitchen countertops will tell you "Natural stone is the most beautiful material, you can't beat it. But it's *so* much more expensive. So people choose cheaper alternatives, like so called quartz (which is essentially artificial, fake rock made with natural rock fragments)". If that's not actually true, more people need to know about it. If buying stone slabs from a local producer turns out to be cheaper than faux stone, developers, builders, designers, and even everyday people who renovate their kitchens should get on board with that. One downside you didn't mention is that quarries are not pretty to look at and they can disrupt the ecosystem, causing loss of soil, affecting slope stability, aquifers, etc., so there's no such thing as free lunch. But exploiting and reopening existing quarrying sites is probably still a more sustainable option than extracting all the materials that are needed to make concrete. And yes, stone can be reused, if the buildings are disassembled smartly. That would require the same change in attitude that's needed to switch from concrete to stone as a source material: building up would take much longer, and tearing down would take much longer as well.
also need less quarries as he stated since you don't need iron or extra limestone.
@Game_Hero except the video then mentioned post reinforced stone which requires iron and then concrete floor plates...
"If that's not actually true, more people need to know about it" - but the thing is that it *is true.* Despite of what the video states, cut stone is anything but cheap, and the costs of building with reinforced concrete went massively down over the last 3 decades. Not to mention that a huge appeal of reinforced concrete is its flexibility, an ability to build stuff that's just not physically possible out of the interlocked stone slabs.
@@SkywalkerWroc I don't disagree with your points, but in my comment I was specifically referring to slabs of rock being used for ornamental purposes (like kitchen countertops). And yes, flexibility is an issue there too: natural stone is harder to work on than fake stone, part of the price difference is certainly due to that. What people don't realize, I think, is the difference between a granite slab sourced from a local quarry vs. one from half way across the world. They're not the same item, but they are treated as such in that market, and that may well be why artificial rock is perceived as much cheaper, when in fact it isn't, in terms of costs of production.
@@Ernesto_Da_Faneda I agree with you on the local slab is cheaper than the imported one - but using kitchen countertops as an example - local often is not "beautiful enough" for your kitchen:
a) kitchen countertops are usually light in colour and have specific pattern repetition - local natural stone usually is not that, therefore it is why natural stone countertops are always more expensive;
b) heat & stains & chipping resistance of faux stone is superior to natural stone as well as lack of pores in faux stone to accumulate pathogens (I had natural granite window ceilings... and an accidental placement of a cuppa on it resulted in a permanent stain; my faux stone countertop withstands every blow of a kitchen in heavy daily use).
So no, local stone for kitchen countertops is not a good option at all~
As a second year Civil Engineering student in Delft, I find this video incredibly fascinating. The curriculum of CE is unfortunately based mostly on building with concrete and steel, with very little emphasis on other materials. I would love to see a renaissance of building technology like you proposed. We need more beauty in our cities!
I suggest you take a deep dive into wood
After carbon fibre, wood is simply the most effective weight/strength material we have today
Norwegian engineers are proud to have built the tallest structure ever made of wood
As an unemployed underachiever, I also find it very interesting. Cheers.
Wouldn't last in earthquakes. Use stone on the outside as easily replaceable decorative cladding
@@robhersey1796 touche
This channel does some excellent videos on the architecture schools trying to fix this :)
Paige Saunders have a video where he did a survey of peoples exterior cladding preferences. he makes a good argument that people would be more supportive of new construction as long as the exterior of the new building was aesthetically pleasing.
Yes, I have no problem with modern techniques, but there is so much that looks like rubbish. Housing, commercial and offices should be pleasing to experience, industry is where form follows function.
whats the video called? and does he do other such videos?
Why are modern condos ugly
About half of his videos are about city planning
Before watching, I'll make a guess that the reasons why we stopped building with stone are: cost of production and transportation, requirement of skilled labor, and material structure (at least to sky scrapers).
Okay, after watching it, I believe I was mostly correct. I'm no engineer, architect or material researcher, but I believe stones will weigh a lot more than concrete and rebar. At some point the load will surpass the tensile strenght of the material, and even if the cathedral made of stone is built that high, notice that a good part of it is not built with usable space. The shape of the spire also gives it extra structural integrity, but you can't really use that space. An argument can be made that maybe we don't want skyscrapers, but if the talk is about materials alone, reinforced concrete has an advantage here.
Another thing I noticed, an argument was made for the cost effectiveness of stone and how it can be on the same range of concrete, but the start of the video gave me a clue as to why that wouldn't be the case. Look at how the cities close to the quarries are made of the stone they cut. Obviously, they source from the nearest stone because it's the closest, and stone is hard to transport. Not only because of the weight, but because it can be damaged during transport over long distances. And if you try to source local everywhere, the point of having "less holes" is rendered null.
But one thing I found interesting is the modularity aspect. Here in Brazil, pre-molded concrete is getting very popular, mostly in large buildings, but some house options are available. And it's sort of a middle of the road, large pieces of concrete that you can slot together like LEGO pieces, increasing construction speed. You can make basically any shape you need, often entire walls and floors, or just make the structural frame.
Overall the topic is very interesting, but to the average person, it still sounds prohibitively expensive.
And earthquake. You can not build with stone in 1/3 of Europe.
Or just place yourself in the shoes of a prospective homeowner, planning to build himself a single-family home. I honestly doubt he'll manage to find a contractor willing to pick up an order that small, let alone for a reasonable price.
How do you do demolition with stone... since implosion would not be an option in a controlled demolition. Furthermore, concrete and steel is recyclable. Stone not so much. Just sounds way to costly and inefficient.
@@wifegrant Stones are also recyclable.
As stones aren't building garbage, just throw them out where they came from, the nature.
@@charonstyxferryman Stones do not reconstitute into bigger stones. I can take a ton of rubble from concrete and reform it into a new block of concrete.
I'm enthusiastic about the use of stone in new architecture. Thanks for the video.
I wish you included a segment addressing seismic considerations when using stone in architectural applications.
The 20 story stone building in Algeria has survived multiple earthquakes I believe, and the stone building by Archiplein in Swiss was also designed to be earthquake proof as it is in a seismically active area, but I’m not sure about the best practices and if it would work in the most extreme earthquake prone areas. The Inca drystone wall stone buildings in Peru have also survived for centuries, but those have polygonal walls that also seem to be earthquake proof
Just make them rigid enough to be stronger than the earthquake.
In the wise words of Jeremy Clarckson:
How hard can it possibly be?
@@1121494 - historically, stone structures were notorious for their ability to "move"... if the ground failed (settlement) they would just disassemble and re-assemble. Similarly, you can have energy absorbing joints that dampen the structure. And reinforced stone can have some "smart joints" that are flexible / damping also. So... there is no real reason why it would be any more or less complicated than any other material. But... "rigid" is not the way to go in seismic zones, normally. They normally make things that "move in controlled manner"... reducing energy transfer first, and dissipating the remaining energy safely - after... not "rigid", but "energy absorbing"...
Well, at least that means that all the ugly buildings have a natural expiry date, so those "modern architects" made at least one good choice.
Haha very true indeed!
They'll just replace them with even uglier buildings.
I live in London, I am a lifelong theatregoer, and I am in my 70s. Our National Theatre, designed by Denis Lasdun, is not only hideous to look at, it doesn't work as a theatre. Because it is built from reinforced concrete, the acoustics are terrible. The sound of the actors' voices bounces off the concrete and creates an echo. To avoid the echo, actors have to speak softly, which means they need microphones - a disgrace to all of us, as experienced actors should be able to make themselves heard at the back of the auditorium without requiring microphones. I hope I live long enough to see this horrible building torn down and replaced with something more suitable for the performance of the plays of the immortal William Shakespeare.
This is why I don’t get nearly as worked up about big box stores, strip malls, and giant parking lots as many urbanists do. They’re basically just holding space for future builders.
Especially because nobody *likes* those structures, so nobody is going to bemoan when they’re repurposed.
@@JTonson wow, I had no clue about that. I always thought the National Theatre was hideous - I go past it often, but it's impractical too in terms of acoustic? insane
I live in the NW of Spain, where is warm, very humid and 150 km/h winds are the norm every winter. Unifamiliar houses make of wood (like in the USA) are unthinkable here. Insted we like to build our houses with stone. Since this is "granite land" that is the stone we use. There is even a variety of granite named after one of the quarry locations (pink Porriño).
On the old times, the walls were load bearing with wood beams to support the flooring and roofing, and all is covered withe either clay or slate tiles. Hard wood was used, either oak or chestnut. Nowadays reinforced concrete is used as a skeleton and roof support and almost everything else in the exterior side is made of stone (or bricks if you can't afford the granite/labour).
Houses are not the only use of granite either. Fences and retaining walls made exclusively with granite are very common too. Just check Google street view near the coast in Galicia and you will see the huge amounts of granite used on almost everything that can be made of stone.
Neat.
You are using wood the wrong way. Look chinese or japanese wood structure, or for simple wood structure that can last at least 50-100 years, you can look at JOGLO construction. It can easily withstand 7.0 earthquake. Can be dismantled and rebuilding somewhere else.
It’s “unthinkable” to build a house from stone while also saying they live in “Granite land”
Those things are related my dude. My state alone has forested areas equal to the size of European nations, we have tornadoes (stone, concrete won’t help if you get hit, nothing above ground and built by humans survives direct contact with big ones) and we have earthquakes, which will crack every wall in your house.
We build from wood because it’s suited to our climate and it’s a highly available material. The exact same reasons Europe uses stone
Finally, a RUclipsr talking about how even tall buildings can be beautiful and be made out of stone!
Many people seem to take for granted that skyscrapers need to be bland glassy buildings when that is not true at all.
Well, my experience with globigerina limestone is negative. Aesthetically speaking, there is the "honeycomb weathering" effect that completely destroys the stone relatively quickly. Then living in that kind of building is a health hazard because the stone captures humidity, causing damp-related illnesses. Go to Malta where globigerina limestone is used. In summer, it is hotter inside than outside; in winter, it is colder inside than outside. The country has a high prevalence of asthma and arthritis because of that building material. Buildings there are simply unfit for habitation.
Buildings made of limestone in Malta also have a tendency to collapse. But that is because builders do not use a continuous layer of cement to glue blocks together. They just stack up blocks.
This is so real, not all buildings are suited to be built of stone and buildings should adapt to the environment. In Colombia by example, clay bricks are widely used because there is a lot of thermal floors and bricks are a cheap, good looking refractarian material that absorbs heat during the day, liberates it during the night and is flexible enough to create latticework for airflow (important in tropical countries) and we have 500 year old buildings made of that
In Japan there are advantages of using wood and steel (due to their seismic requirements) so on and so forth…
And on the other end of the long list with challenges, real winters. 4+ months of snow and 1-4 weeks with temperatures close to -40… the walls would need to be 6 meters thick for every 100mm of insulation it replaces if my quick search is correct 😂
Thermal mass only works for day/night cycle
True. I had a 240 year old stone house in Malta for ten years. We used to say “the stone is sick”.
You don’t see many comments here that are not afraid to approach the real issue: money. In America, we find that the builders can pocket much bigger paychecks if they build houses made of popsicles sticks. I think people in Florida may finally have to face this question.
Maybe use granite instead? Limestone is about as dense as water.
I had the ultimate Aesthetic City experience yesterday: I was on the road to an appointment only to get a phone call cancelling it, after I was already 200km from home. I was angry and hungry and looked for the nearest town to find something to eat. What I found was a picturesque town with an excellent Italian restaurant. Suddenly, I felt on vacation and my negativity subsided. That town had burnt down 1635 almost completely and vast parts of it today stem from the rebuilding phase almost 400 years ago. Thus, it has countless examples of peak Fachwerk. It was pretty much in the middle of nowhere and far from mass tourism. All this made it a hidden gem.
Did anyone else make a similar experience?
woow what's the town called?
@@pawelparadysz Herrenberg in Germany.
@@edi9892 I just googled it, wow, what a beautiful place. Danke!
One of the times I lived over in Germany it was Rottenburg just south of there. Been through it many times to Stuttgart and Nuremburg where my kids, stepkids and nieces and nephews live from my 1st and second wife and a wife and son's graves. Still, I have seen photos from my father in law of the rebuilding of the walls in Nuremburg along with the cathedral in the center of the city. I wish more photos would come out of the rebuilding of Germany, still not all was rebuilt to the old ways. Funny as an American that learned German and English growing up, funny now in my 50's I split my time between both worlds of how things were and are built. Now it is more in and around Nuremburg due to so much of my family being here.
Traditional architecture is a testament to what true diversity looks like. Its the unique differences from the various locations/regions that give them their identity. Diversity is not mix matching a bunch of different types of stone in one building (that would not be a stabilized structure), its ensuring a variety of cultures and customs that remain around the world.
I don't want a sterile, bland, muddy society that cant be differentiated from another. Ppl are different and unique because of their own separate societies that are explicitly theirs.
Yes people are different. And most don't belong in the West
I hope we're not comparing rocks to actual humans
@@harmoney-tk5wd good point. It's an actual insult to rocks that are probably worth more
@@harmoney-tk5wd I'm surprised you can type with that brain power.
This video is incredible. I thought it was the other way around that stone pollutes more than concrete and instead, as usual, you always teach us something new. I will continue to repeat it but your channel and your videos are a breath of fresh air and a breath of hope for the new generations thanks again for all the work you do and for this video!
Stone, brick, and wood are S tier!
Coming from humid tropical place, I don't know about finding quality wood. What about steel for the pillars?
Edit: Okay, turns out, it's all explained in the video.
@@ITBEurgava Coming from a temperate earthquaky place I'm really not a fan of bricks at all, wood on the other hand sounds great.
@@ITBEurgavayou just gotta pick a wood that's good. In my country for example, pterocarpus is considered a pest-resistant wood
Or F tier, depending on the application and environmental conditions.
Also, note that wood, stone and bricks are of a different properties (including the rate of deterioration), some of which might be amazing, other might be disastrous for a given application. The versatility of concrete is grossly underestimated.
Only old growth wood is S tier.
Here in the UK, almost all buildings were made of locally fired stones, bricks and other materials, such as the famous Bath Limestone Stone in the West of England or Cotswold Stone in nearby areas, and the world known "London Redbrick", but unfortunately since the Second World war, Stone buildings have gone out of fashion, and most local authorities, at least in the South-East of England only approve new constructions made out of the now low-quality bricks from the "London Brick Company" (London Red Brick, mostly), and most quarries have been closed down and either left abandoned, in rare cases turned into reservoirs, or built in, such as in the case of the Bluewater Shopping Centre/Mall in North Kent (near South-East London).
It is very unfortunate that Stone construction is not very popular now, hopefully that will change.
I suspect a wood and plastic building weighs 10x less than stone building and insulates better. There are reasons everyone in all countries stopped using stone. Stone also has random defects, random failures crush children if you know Italian history. Good riddance to natural stone, cement is predictable, would you let your family live in a stone house and take the 1 in 100000 risk of random sudden collapse as flaw in rock matrix takes effect. Yes or no? I love videos that fight against progress leaving out all the reasoning for the change, so fun to see.
@@mostlyguesses8385 There are ways to integrate stone into buildings, bud. The "progress" you mentioned is also about the ability to understand materials and design in a way that benefits us, beauty being a benefit. You can use concrete for certain parts and stone for other, so as to avoid the repeating of Italian history.
1 out of 1000 ancient Romans died in house collapse, cuz national stone has natural unpredictable weaknesses. Cement avoids that, a cement column can be 25% the mass of stone collumn, no need for as big a safety margin to deal with risk of natural defects... I like ideas but some ideas have more negatives than positives... For better mental health we literally all should live in transparent walled buildings, a greenhouse, glass has gotten good enough to do that, with steel posts for strength. .. dark houses are dumb, we do them cuz our ancestors had no choice.. ... Really light fiberglass with big windows is best, 2000 pounds for cottage vs 200000 pounds for wood, plastic, steel, brick normal house. To save earth we can change big, or we can let earth fry, , , oh well humans are clearly idiots and to avoid thinking deserve to fry... Lets not deny we had options and chose to do little change.... I live on hunter 260 sailboat, 1900 pounds, you live in 200000 pound polluting mansion, , , , I don't care but God gave us options and better ways and we declined, we this have to accept blame, , , , I have no kids so I really don't mind us driving world into collapse, oh well is my motto, but it's a choice... Fun!
It's funny, that for 3+ years I've been developing a method to use brick for an exterior weathering face, stone and the loadbearing exterior and interior walls, CLT for the floor and roof plates, and Glulam timbers for the floor and roof beams. Then rockwool for insulation/fire protection (made from basalt, another rock) and and light steel hat-track to create acoustic floating. The goal was a home design that would last >400 years.
Then this video came out...
Iv been working on a way to use electricity to mold granite in order to make it air tight and disaster proof. I think it will be mainstream by the end of the decade
@@daveknight336mold granite??? do you mean by partially melting it at contact points???
@@TS-jm7jm yeah. I think it will take like 10,000 voltz but it could also require a frequency feedback machine that feeds its core frequency back into itself exponentially
Vast majority of the brick & stone buildings do not survive ">400 years".
The once you see still standing is a classic case of survivorship bias.
There are many "> 400 years" old wooden buildings as well, doesn't mean that wooden houses are inherently long-lasting - they're really not. It's just yet another case of survivorship bias.
@@daveknight336 that sounds like you have to be very careful not to melt your own equipment, how have your experiments fared so far?
I studied Clerkenwell Close last semester after Pierre gave us a lecture on it over Zoom! Pre/post-tensioned stone is pretty cool, but it’s interesting to note that something similar was done at Amiens Cathedral hundreds of years ago! When structural issues started to occur, the genus that was the medieval mind installed a massive red-hot iron chain that wrapped the interior of the triforium. When it cooled, the chain contracted and kept the whole thing in compression while the chain was in tension. Pretty amazing!
Note: I don’t remember the sources for this, but I’ve seen it and heard it in several places. If I’m wrong, my apologies!
In the UK we also have many brick/wood buildings that were reinforced with iron ties at some point in their life. Usually to stop bowing walls.
His name is pierre and he's a stonemason. Were his parents psychic?
While I do not much care for modern concrete and glass and hope stone would be used more, the unexamined belief that buildings should last thousands of years is a major oversight of this video.
There is a reason Pierre Bidaud points out that stone buildings become quarries, it is because they all do. Even the Egyptian pyramids have all been used as quarries, at least one down to its foundations.
Buildings are built to last 50 years because there is little to no incentive to build them to last longer. A person, or company will have different needs and requirements in 50 years, and there is no way to know what those needs will be. It is often much more difficult to retrofit an existing building that no longer meets your needs than to build one that does, especially a building built to purpose such as a factory.
There is an implicit survivor bias in ancient monuments as most were great public works, and public buildings are frequently built to imply permanence, a thousand years, but that makes them very difficult and therefore expensive to update. There is a reason property owners do not wish their property to be on a historical registry; the costs for maintenance skyrocket, and upgrades such as enough cooling to run those newly required servers in the basement will take years, if approved at all. So, the building will become a quarry, if not in fifty years, then in a hundred if not protected. And if protected, you will need a second building with a matching facade to account for the new requirements and museum gift shop.
Also, saying that you can just "disassemble" a stone building is disingenuous. Quarrying buildings is more dangerous than demolition because the quarrying is attempting to recover material with minimal damage which adds a significant layer of complexity and therefore risk to the process.
Adjacent to this, and also not addressed in the video, 13 years ago a moderate earthquake caused $38 million in damage to the National Cathedral, and it is still being repaired. Modern buildings in earthquake zones are now built to very stringent codes that create real technical challenges. While the complex interlocking stonework of lighthouses prove that it is possible there will be additional costs, loss of interior space, and flexibility.
None of this is reason not to use stone. But trying to convince a board that there is savings in building a building to last 200 years when the ROI may take 50 or more years is a losing argument when they are looking at profits for the next business cycle. Architects would love to have their work stand as a monument to their skill and artistic prowess forever, but generally they are not the ones paying the bill.
One would hope our profit focused economic system will also change and evolve. Much like the buildings and requirements you talk about, human economic systems and societies evolve. Perhaps as we transition to a more sustainable economy (infinite growth is impossible so a growth focused model cannot go on indefinitely) we will have the ability to build for reasons other than financial ROI.
Besides profit, stone buildings take more energy to heat each year, vs plastic and wood walls. There's a reason entire world and all countries left stone behind. I suspect a tent w running electric heater is probably better way not a 1 million pound house, so truly archicture is still on wrong track. I live in 2000lb fiberglass sailboat, a Hunter 260, again seems architecture is dumb. I cld be wrong.
Concrete is still cheaper and 90% of people in the world are poor. Think 3rd world public buildings budgets. Many people in my 3rd world country don't mind if the hospital their government provided for them is made of steel and concrete and looks cold/bland like any modern building constructed today (sometimes they look really bad it makes me wince) as long as the hospital is functional, staffed with sufficient doctors, nursers, personnel and stocked with at least basic medicines.
"...the unexamined belief that buildings should last thousands of years is a major oversight of this video."
Yes. We r sick n tired of e idea that every single structure needs 2 b built 4 1000s of years. If it lasts 4 10 years, u get 2 rebuild it often. If it lasts 4 30-50 years, each generation gets 2 build sth that suits THEM, rather than being condemned 2 caring 4 a building that may not suit them.
This video has inspired me to look into how to make stone buildings earthquake-proof, as that's a real reason for many countries to go all-in on reinforced concrete
Right. Not many stone buildings on the west coast of the USA.
Here in Greece we have many places where we use stone and they are FANTASTIC, some include Pileon, Kalymnos, Nymfeo, Arnea etc.
I love that a competently-made video on this topic exists now.
This thought has been cooking inside of me for a long time as well. Strolling through the little Villages full of Stone houses in southwest England I never understood how this material went out of fashion. I also firmly decided that, should I ever have the opportunity to build a house, I would try to build as much of it as possible from local stone.
So yeah, thanks for kind of confirming tiny little wishes of mine that I always felt were quite good hunches.
That's very beautiful. Thank you Ruben.
I'm a carpenter so I tend to think wood (proper timber framing to be fair).
But I feel very inspired by your content to get into stone.
I just quit an uni study of architecture.. going back into crafts trying to make a change straight on the market.
I want make plannings with stone as well. The only honest way to learn that feels like hitting it.
Looking forward.
All the best from Germany
well stone and wood go together
you build roof and floor framing with wood
As a filmmaker I support your mission, all modern concrete cities look the same that's why I don't make films in them, they have no identity, if they used local stone instead of concrete, then the color of the buildings suddenly matches the colors of the local Enviromint, giving the city a sense of identity, belonging and a past to the land in which it is built, other wise everything is the same as everything else, germany is the same as paris, and new yorke, why even go traveling if that becomes the case?
I'm from the belgian province of Hainaut and I've always loved our traditional buildings made of our precious limestone and, of course, sturdy belgian bricks. I hope we'll be building like this again in the future. I'm so tired of those ugly glass boxes
In some places of Wallonia (B) it's mandatory to build with natural materials (rock stone walls, slate roof, zinc gutters,...).
@@koenraadprincen7212 in the city of Mons, it’s mandatory in the historical center (which is quite large)
Totally agree, amazing video! I stand for starting the use of stone once again, support the local economy and support and respect the planet we all live on 💎
Talk about bricks next
Half as interesting is getting a PTSD reaction from this comment
I'd combine the topic with Klinker and Azulejos.
You seem a little confused, Bathstone is a sedimentary limestone not fired, look around central Bath or central London it’s all stone predominantly Portland limestone in London. The main issue with stonemasonry is pay, it’s terrible, it takes ten years to be productive in an independent capacity, there’s an enormous amount to learn and physically demanding…the rewards are simply not worth it, I am the last of a family generation, when asked why my son never became a stonemason I reply “because I love my son”.
@@deanwakley8357 Sad but true. I've spent most of my working life laying bricks producing those red box houses you now see all over England. Years ago looking for something more fore fulling I looked into switching to stone masonry. Despite the obvious up grade in the skill once trained I was dismayed to discover my wages would have almost halved if I had taken that route.
So simple, yet so elegant of a solution!!! The comments section is so full of experts and craftsmen in the field, very rare to see on RUclips. Thank you for such a wonderful video...
Really like the idea of a modular stone building block that could be used in different designs for houses and small builldings. Imagine if we could share our global solutions for all kinds of different construction problems using local and abundant materials
I struggle to believe that reinforced concrete has a lifespan of just 50 years... so long as the reinforcing rods are kept away from moisture, or galvanized before use. Yes, exterior cantilevered balconies can have issues with "concrete cancer" but do the concrete columns and floors of curtain wall buildings really have issues? Having said that, I'm all for transitioning to low-carbon alternatives which could be Roman concrete. Regardless, natural stone and concrete are both heavy which means considerable energy to move it around. I am reminded of Buckminster Fuller's question to Normal Foster, "How much does your building weigh?"
Concrete can indeed last (much) longer, but it depends on many factors. A well executed building in reinforced concrete can stand for 100 years with ease, one with construction mistakes might need renovation within 30 years. But at some point, natural processes like carbonation will take their toll on reinforced concrete. Most buildings are built to have enough cover to have no problems until the 50 year point, at that point the carbon dioxide reaches the rebar and deterioration can start. It can take 50 more years or longer till structural failure, but the oxidation/ rust process is not something that can be stopped unless measures are taken.
With renovation and maintenance, the life span can be increased, but it would be better to build in a way that doesn’t require renovation every couple of decades
@@the_aesthetic_city Thank you for responding! If the reinforcing bars are the issue, it seems that building codes should demand that they be galvanized since the implication of what you say is that we can expect a lot of poorly maintained buildings to collapse in the coming decades. I've been involved with Home Owners' Associations (USA) and Body Corporates (AU) and the maintenance fees tend to skew to the poorest people in the building so only minimal work gets done.
I’ve been thinking about this topic for many years now glad to see a video about it. Can’t wait for my stone house to live in
the old pharaonic towns in Egypt were built with stones which got reused to build medieval Egypt
All made affordable by slave labor :/ ....
Its a shame people have the worry that "oh we'll destroy an area of land with a quarry if we use stone" since they can visualise a quarry, but they pay no attention to the horrendous sand dredging in the oceans that's needed to provide the sand for concrete and the untold ecological damage that's doing.
Not even talking about all the industries you need to transform those materials into concrete
I love this channel! I started Architecture school a month ago. I will be using the things that I have learnt from these videos in my studies. Thank you so much!
If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it! Very few materials can rival stone or wood in Beauty. Stone also has an incredibly long lifespan, making it far more “sustainable” than modern concrete and steel.
I dream this will happen... I know I shouldn't, but this channel really makes me hope.
Most modern day developers don't want to build anything to last, because doing so would effectively result in developing themselves out of jobs, i.e. wealth. We live in societies that don't see the value in humans having increased leisure time to create things for the sake of creation, as opposed to constantly rebuilding out of necessity (which results in "economic growth") because the 1% and their minions (e.g. politicians and law enforcement required to protect their financial interests) would no longer be necessary either. They require a permanent underclass that's always struggling to survive (through displacement, rebuilding and migration), because people who are always struggling to survive don't have time or energy to overthrow their oppressors.
Exactly
Wouldcha look at that, someone who actually uses their brain and did their homework!
Couldn't have explained it any better, myself.
It's more so wanting to build as cheaply so they can make as much profit, because land is expensive. This is even worse in suburbs, which are a waste of space and look ugly.
Isnt this the case for most things this days,quality down = breaks faster = buy agane x100 times instead of x5 if better quality = more $$$$$
@@dragonkinss yes, it's a form of planned obsolescence, and I suppose rent (and multi-decade amortizations) equates to software subscriptions - we pay for 'x' thing but are never allowed to own it outright, and the people being paid make off like bandits.
Well, one of the problems to solve before starting to build with stone is: people who know how to build with stone. Not the architects or engineers, the guy at construction site. Here in Brazil you will find only people between 50 and 70 years old working with this type of construction
Robots will handle it
That n e local climate has 2 b conducive 2 that type of stone...
I am from India and don't want these ugly so called modern buildings , I will be Europe ( Belgium ) next year for my bachelor study, I want those cultural, asthetic and sustained architectures to see , keep it up , we all are with you , please keep making architectural beauty , for cities , we want those cities to make instead of ugly modern one
I hope you come back and make your beautiful home here one day.
Concrete is still cheaper and 90% of people in the world are poor. Think 3rd world public buildings budgets. Many people in my 3rd world country don't mind if the hospital their government provided for them is made of steel and concrete and looks cold/bland like any modern building constructed today (sometimes they look really bad it makes me wince) as long as the hospital is functional, staffed with sufficient doctors, nursers, personnel and stocked with at least basic medicines.
India can't complain.
The people who fund these constructions are greedy penny pinchers. They don't want to contribute anything to the community, like making a more beautiful street. Aesthetics are the least priority.
With all sincerity, thank you very much for bringing more attention... best regards. R.
Stone Quarry onwer here. I completly agree! I love natrual stone.
Agree based on the merits of the material in terms of suitability for the application or based on the potential financial gains it may mean for business?
Agree based on, stone is more apealing to the eye and lasts tens if not 100's of times longer than wood and modern composits.
Thank you for that food for thought. As an Architect I ve always struggled with the current building philosophy of cheap housing and ugliness of it all. Happy to see that there is a glimpse of understanding longterm.
As an architect, trust me I would love nothing more than to build with stone. However, stone and insulation do not mix. Sure it has collosal thermal mass but you need insulation to come anywhere close to modern requirements. So the issue becomes how does one integrate load bearing stone with insulation cheaply while keeping its attractive exterior visible. Its a tought nut to crack.
In Switzerland they did it somehow with a real, multi level apartment buliding:
www.stone-ideas.com/105029/archiplein-perraudin-architectes-solid-stone/
"The exterior walls do not require thermal insulation. The thermal inertia of the stone keeps the heat peaks outside in summer and the heat inside in winter."
I lived in a limestone house in Austin in the early eighties. 🥶🥶🥶
@@the_aesthetic_citythey say that but i need to see the residents fuel and rent bill 😅
@SlayerBG93 Couldn't a natural/breathable insulation material be used on the interior of the building? Like wood fibre board, or aerogel insulation? A lot of folks like to have plastered interiors anyway, so why couldn't that be done? Or, if you want to keep the stone exposed both on the interior and exterior, why not add a cavity for insulation? As long as the material is breathable I would imagine it'd work (but then I'm not expert and this is just conjecture).
just insulate on the interior side
In former Soviet block there are whole city districts, which were build from cheap reinforced concrete panels. Many of them were built more than 50 years ago, and most of them are absolutely fine. Well, from structural point of view - from other points it could be easily argued they are not. When they're demolished, structural reasons are very rare. Those are kind of buildings, that are usually cheaper to demolish and rebuild from scratch than to renovate, so it is hard to make an argument that they are maintained in expensive way (and in reality I know for sure that they are not at least where I lived).
There are examples of buildings, which are older than that and are in good shape. Including the type I mentioned - non-significant buildings, which could be easily demolished if needed.
I am not trying to say that concrete is great and we shouldn't look for replacement. From decarbonization point of view it is an unsolved problem right now, so new technologies of building should be welcome.
But using false arguments to support the effort is bad and it hurts the whole idea in the long run.
is this true?
@@valle_4ustral It is. You can see examples from Eastern Germany to Russia's Far East.
Yes, but they suck to live in (having lived in several of them for two years).
@@kelaarin Well, it depends. Those kind of building I'm talking about do suck. But later iterations don't suck as much. Even nowadays such kind of building are built.
Anyway, my comment was mostly about longevity of concrete,
@@anterogradus Not the structure, the "living in" part.
This video ROCKS! 😁
Hehe thanks!
This video has blown my mind!!! Love love love it!! IVE BEEN A CLT fan for years and now I’m all in on Stone with a smattering of CLT!!!
Thanks you!!!!!🙏🏼
nothing beats natural building material... its soulful
We are forced to use concrete because of politicians and corporations who want artificial perpetual "economic growth"
This which rises in France built with stone blocks for the walls are absolutely amazing. The feel and environment inside will be akin to the feeling of being inside a gothic cathedral. I wish we could do that here in America. I’m a huge advocate of this sort of thing, walkability, traditional architecture, etc. But we have just so many problems that people are focused on other things and I can’t get their attention.
There are tons of awesome "new" things we could do with stone too. For example "mega" sized stone blocks are now possible with modern construction equipment, we could build IMMENSE structures now.
Concrete is still cheaper and 90% of people in the world are poor. Think 3rd world public buildings budgets. Many people in my 3rd world country don't mind if the hospital their government provided for them is made of steel and concrete and looks cold/bland like any modern building constructed today (sometimes they look really bad it makes me wince) as long as the hospital is functional, staffed with sufficient doctors, nursers, personnel and stocked with at least basic medicines.
Don't know your channel, but as soon as I read the title I went "I'm in." Stone buildings are timeless and I freaking love them.
We should build more with timber, especially when it comes to residential dwellings. Timber is natural, strong, flexible, durable, a good insulator and it is sustainable. It stores carbon and ticks many environmental boxes. Not only that, timber buildings, whether traditional or modern, exude a certain warmth. It is a great material in cold climates, the tropics and any climate in-between. Timber can be painted, or not and construction methods are extremely flexible ranging from log construction, shingle or tongue in grove siding, to timber composite exteriors.
What most people really want is a variety of materials and styles. Traditional designs are preferred over modernism and minimalism. Most importantly, housing has to become affordable and accessible to most people and be something more than just provide the utility of shelter. There has to be relatable and aesthetically pleasing aspect to all architecture regardless of function.
Timber is horrible in the tropics and any warm climate with higher moisture.
Mold and thermites are a maintenance nightmare for timber.
Tinker is full of crevices that can hide all kinds of pests, from roaches to bed bugs and make them near impossible to completely eradicate those pests with pesticides.
And they are fire traps, they catch fire really easily and can't be repaired after a fire is extinguished.
I love timber. It's warm and easy to work with. Unfortunately the termites in my tropical country loves timber more than I do. They love it so much they eat it. And imported anti-termite chemicals are so expensive here. A liter would cost a quarter of a common worker's weekly pay.
Besides the government has restricted the cutting, sale and use of lumber trees.
This Should be a series were you go over all the traditional building materials that have been neglected since the beginning of Modern architecture
In the post-industrial world, planned obsolescence is king.
Everything is temporary to create enteral jobs.
So true and it's getting worse and of less and less quality every day!
My farm is built with brick and is older than napolion. Modern brick is far better. If maintained we could keep houses hundreds of years, but we dont
Very important topic. I would love to see a shift towards using stone. The reciprocity between the philosophy of using stone and the environment build by stone influencing the philosophy of social conduct is huge. Thank you for creating this beautiful documentary
Let's build with stone!!
Pumicecrete is by far the best building material on the planet Pumicecrete is a mixture of pumice cement and water mixed and poured into a set of reusable forms walls are poured from 12"to 24" thick pumicecrete is fireproof termite proof rust rot and mold proof non toxic and has a high R value and good sound attenuation solid poured walls means no critters can live in your walls Pumicecrete can be built for a fraction of the cost and time and pumice is one of the few building materials that can go directly from the mine to the job site ready to use without any additional possessing and zero waste Google all the walls of my house are made of pumicecrete Take care Ray
it's just a matter of cost. where I live, most people can't even afford a granite top in their kitchen due to high cost.
How is this not a top comment?! 💸
I think the costs will go down if we start using stone right now. It’s currently seen as a niche or high-end material.
@assasin101011 we never stopped using it, but it became less and less common due to high cost.
A recent example. I changed the outside doors and windows with modern 3 glass aluminum. On the bottom of each one, I put a slab of marble with dimensions of 30cm by 120cm by 2cm thickness.
Four marble slabs like this cost around 300 usd, which is ridiculous for a low quality marble....
Indians have a continuous tradition of building stone temple thousands of years before till today. Our temple are still build on stone and its magnificent. We have our ancient scriptures on how to build these structures.
Checkout these recent temples
Yadadrigutta temple
Akshardham temple
Statue of Equality temple
The main 2 scriptures are AGAMAS aand VASTUSHASTRA.
Vastu shastra (vāstu śāstra - literally "science of architecture") are texts on the traditional Indian system of architecture. These texts describe principles of design, layout, measurements, ground preparation, space arrangement, and spatial geometry. The designs aim to integrate architecture with nature, the relative functions of various parts of the structure, and ancient beliefs utilising geometric patterns (yantra), symmetry, and directional alignments.
Vastu Shastra are the textual part of Vastu Vidya - the broader knowledge about architecture and design theories from ancient India. Vastu Vidya is a collection of ideas and concepts, with or without the support of layout diagrams, that are not rigid. Rather, these ideas and concepts are models for the organisation of space and form within a building or collection of buildings, based on their functions in relation to each other, their usage and the overall fabric of the Vastu. Ancient Vastu Shastra principles include those for the design of Mandir (Hindu temples), and the principles for the design and layout of houses, towns, cities, gardens, roads, water works, shops and other public areas.
Of the numerous Sanskrit treatises mentioned in ancient Indian literature, some have been translated in English. Many Agamas, Puranas and Hindu scriptures include chapters on architecture of temples, homes, villages, towns, fortifications, streets, shop layout, public wells, public bathing, public halls, gardens, river fronts among other things. In some cases, the manuscripts are partially lost, some are available only in Tibetan, Nepalese or South Indian languages, while in others original Sanskrit manuscripts are available in different parts of India. Some treatises, or books with chapters on Vaastu Shastra include:
*Manasara
*Brhat samhita (Chapters 53-58)
*Mayamata
*Anka sastra
*Aparajita Vāstu Śastra
*Maha-agamas (28 books, each with 12 to 75 chapters)
*Ayadi Lakshana
*Aramadi Pratishtha Paddhati (includes garden design)
*Kasyapiya
*Kupadi Jala Sthana Lakshana
*Kshetra Nirmana Vidhi (preparation of land and foundation of buildings including temples)
*Gargya samhita (pillars, doors, windows, wall design and architecture)
*Griha Pithika (types of houses and their construction)
*Ghattotsarga Suchanika (riverfront and steps architecture)
*Jnana ratna kosha
*Vastu sarani (measurement, ratio and design layouts of objects, particularly buildings)
*Devalaya Lakshana (treatise on construction of temples)
*Dhruvadi shodasa gehani (guidelines for arrangement of buildings with respect to each other for harmony)
*Nava sastra (36 books, most lost)
*Agni Purana (Chapters 42 through 55, and 106 - Nagaradi Vastu)
*Matsya Purana (Chapters 252 through 270)
*Maya samgraha
*Prasada kirtana
*Prasada Lakshana
*Tachchu sastra (primarily home design for families)
*Manushyalaya Lakshana (primarily human dwelings)
*Manushyalaya Chandrika
*Mantra dipika
*Mana kathana (measurement principles)
*Manava vastu lakshana
*Manasollasa (chapters on house layout, mostly ancient cooking recipes)
*Raja griha nirmana (architecture and construction principles for royal palaces)
*Rupa mandana
*Vastu tattva
*Vastu nirnaya
*Vastu purusha lakshana
*Vastu prakasa
*Vastu pradipa
*Vastu manjari
*Vastu mandana
*Vastu lakshana
*Vastu vichara
*Vastu Vidya
*Vastu vidhi
*Vastu samgraha
*Vastu sarvasva
*Vimana lakshana (tower design)
*Visvakarma prakasa (home, roads, water tanks and public works architecture)
*Vaikhanasa
*Sastra jaladhi ratna
*Silpa prakasa
*Silparatna
*Silpakala Dipika
*Silpartha Śastra
Sanatkumara Vāstu Śastra
Samarangana Sutradhara
I love traditional architecture, and traditional health. Its locktober, lock in and eat healthy yall. Like our ancestors
A great example of a newer building (or more precisely series of buildings) built with stone is the Getty Center in Los Angeles. Situated on the hills overlooking the city, it’s clad with walls of beige/white travertine, giving the sense that you are among ancient ruins, quite fitting for an art museum housing historic works of art. Despite the fact that it’s designed in a modern style of architecture, it’s quite an attractive set of buildings, built masterfully and precisely, taking advantage of what the local environment has to offer.
The whole idea of building with stone has ring of 'classicism' behind it. The vast majority of historical structures, still remaining on the planet, from any cultural tradition, are all of stone. It (stone structures throughout history) has an almost eternal 'ethos' behind it.
I live in a small mountain west town in the US, with many homes and churches that were built in the late 1800's using cream-colored oolite limestone, that was quarried east of town. There's nothing more beautiful than stone, and I'd love to see more of it.
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If you see housing as an investment to extract profit from and not a piece of art, it will make perfect sense to build it with a limited lifetime in mind. Making houses out of stone will make thousands of construction companies and real estate agents obsolete.
Great, really appreciate your content!
Thank you!!
10:32 :Thermal mass works fine to balance out cold nights whith hot days, when the median heat loss to the outside is compensated by internal heat sources. For longer lasting deveations, you simply can't do wthout insulation.
Yes it seems like that would be needed for some areas... It should be possible to insulate it though
It's not as much about insulation as it is air movement. So if the stone building is airtight and thick enough, once you get the inside temp to the right temp it will do a decent job of holding in the heat or cold. This can also be fixed but creating a gap between the stone. For example if u need a 10" stone wall to support the load, u could put two rows of 5" stone and inch apart with beams spanning both. If the airflow in the gap is minimum it would insulate better than anything we typically put in walls. Can't beat our current baseline construction methods for cost/performance ratio tho.
In my neck of the woods houses were built this way using bricks- up to about 60 years ago. The main reason however wasn't insulation, but to keep moisture from winddriven rain from creeping through the wall. They even left some holes for ventilation to dry back the outer wall!
Nowadays many people fill up the gap whith blow in insulation to reduce heating bills. This is very cost effective, but risks humidity damages.
By the way: according to DIN ISO 9646 an inch airgap only gived a R value of 0.18 m x m x K / W . I dont know what this is in imperial, but it equals about a 1/4" of e.g. styrofoam. Way to little for our climate !
Concrete is an artificial rock which could be moulded into a desired shape. Reinforced concrete is the combination of concrete and steel making the concrete more efficient than just stone, in relation to its width to height ratio. But concrete and stone is practically the same.
Concrete crumbles in decades, also concrete cannot be reused.
It's a question of how affordable do you want things to be? Are banks and lenders willing to break the cost over a century versus a few decades? Or should the price of everything just be higher? There are techniques that are becoming more popular in the US that are 1/10th to 1/20th the price of some of these stone buildings.
Can you go deeper into the thermal and insulation topic? I know there are types of stone that consist mostly of air like pumice and in sufficient thickness will be very energy efficient (basically the natural version of Ytong). But the average limestone, granite, etc. to my knowledge is just as bad at insulation as concrete. No thermal mass can prevent this, over a long winter, it will lose all the energy.
I was going to make the same comment about the R value of solid stone walls, they will all lose heat to the outside eventually.
Stone is terrible insulation! Don't even bother calculating the stone's input to the insulation. Per unit thickness, stone has only a few % of the insulation value of mineral fiber insulation, so just face the interior with some insulation, studs and gypsum board and you wlll have almost all the insulating value coming from the insulation.
However... stone's density makes it a natural heat reservoir. In an environment with sunny days and cool/cold nights, the stone will absorb heat from the sun in the daytime and radiate at night, which can reduce energy consumption.
It is very important to provide a interior insulation and finish for the stone wall anyway. Unless you want the stone interior to have the damp, moldy look of a medieval castle. This is because of what we call the "dew point" in the wall. If cold stone is exposed to warm, humid interior air there will be condensation on the wall. So it is best to create a gap with afore mentioned insulation, air barrier, and gypsum board.
@@levybenathome I lived for 18 months in a solid stone french farmhouse, it was modernised but no wall insulation. In the summers it was delightful, in the winter months it was baltic! Houses designed to be well ventilated.
Growing up, I was fascinated with Marble tiles, I always wanted a green marble coaster and recently, I was looking to get a fancy painting palette and a base plate for my audio equipment that is made out of natural stone like marble. I am completely aware of the expensive price tags that come with them, and I'm looking towards scrap materials. So when I was watching 12:50, I was shocked, I am struggling to get marble right here, and you're telling me that
There’s something disturbingly Keynesian about concrete. Paying people to build in concrete and then paying them to dismantle it a few years later. There’s no long term vision or cultural mission here, just money cycles.
It really takes away economic potential that could go towards other activities in the economy rebuilding the same buildings every 100 years when we could just build once do a Lil maintenance and have the same structure for 1000+ years
Wealth is never accumulated when you are trapped in a continuum of building and rebuilding. And there is never anything historical that grounds you to the location. Maybe that is all by design, as George Orwell describes in 1984 about the purpose of a war economy.
I have no problem with concrete. Contrasting stone with concrete is a misunderstanding of the problem. Many of the theses about concrete in this film are simply untrue. And if someone thinks that building with stone is cheaper or more ecological, they don't even know how wrong they are.
@@Pawel_Mrozek Totally correct. Many of the buildings shown in this video are built out of concrete, not quarried stone.
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Can you make a video on the National Hauszmann Program and the Steindl Imre Program please? The recreation of the historic parts of Budapest.
Brutalism is responsible for the ugliest buildings on the planet. All concrete messes. Bring back beautiful masonry and stonework.
I was just today marvelling at a stone facing at Boston College. They continued using stone until the 1930s, then switched to the "modern" style.
stone is more carbon friendly. but concrete is quick. concrete buildings are an example of efficiency trumping sustainability
Most buildings are shells with a facard. They can factory build each component. Stone components factory cut and shapped next to the quarry. Once it is on the rack it is quick and fast.
I completely agree with you on the role of skilled labor. CNC machines are impressive in terms of efficiency and precision, but they lack the artistic sensitivity and judgment that human hands bring. Stone carving has nuances-adjusting for grain, subtle irregularities, and the desired texture-that machines just can’t replicate. It's the craftsmanship, detail, and care that truly keep the integrity and soul of these historic buildings alive.
oh please start building with massive stone blocks again. I'm tired of concrete boxes. Make architecture beautiful again!
Yeah sure let's build with stone again. It's a great natural material. And who is gonna pay the huge additional construction cost? What? Oh, we'll just send you the bill and you'll pay for it? That's nice to hear.🤣🤣🤣
@@c6h5choh-cn82 the video's point was that it doesn't always have to be that more expensive. also I'd prefer a culture that valued beauty and endurance more than what is cheapest in the moment.
@@AetherXIV Something tells me you've never lived in a 3rd world country 😁 Oh what a pampered comfortable life you have. Must be a bliss to be igno.....😄
@@c6h5choh-cn82I'm American and have zero interest in visiting the "3rd World". Civilization is inherited and can be built on any dirt whether that is Australia, South Africa or the Americas. eg. build your own comfortable life.
I always wanted to learn about this but here wasnt such a great coverage on the topic, thank you for the video, it was what i needed.
The Romans pre-cut their marble in the quarries before shipping it to its destination where the pieces were refined
Exactly how we do it today for stone coming to NYC from quarries!
Love this, love the idea. Perhaps the one thing that should be noted is that, while stone has many benefits, aesthetically it needs to be styled for the times. Renaissance and Gothic architecture isn't going to appeal to the masses these days. Not in most parts of the world.
The "modern" look has been around for a long time at this point, long enough to be as stale as any classical style.
@@sanniepstein4835 Fair, but if you survey people on the streets in places like America, Australia, etc etc (as in not the EU), I wager 9 out of 10 people have absolutely no interest in Renaissance/Gothic/Victorian era architecture. I appreciate it, but it's not for everyone.
Reject modernity, go back to stone 😂
Reject modernity, go back to twigs!
No even better, reject modernity, go back to caves!
No even better, reject modernity go back to sleeping under the stars!
really interesting to me as a bachelor student in Architecture.
Id like to say its a game changer, but it‘s rather a going back to our roots
Literally talked about this in my Master's Thesis but I focused on wood. Loved this ❤
If we went back to it, I’d love to see a revival of serious (not postwar, and definitely not postmodern) architecture.
I’d love to see people incorporate their respective cultural designs and aesthetic influence in construction again. Stone seems like a wonderful means to do that long term.
One problem with stone is that it doesn't handle earthquakes well.
My concern too, living in Vancouver. Always thought reinforced concrete or wood was best here, though engineered wood is starting to be used quite a bit for buildings up to 20+ storeys.
I love this channel. I think the main issue currently is, you need to have a proper architect and also a construction company which knows how to work with this sort of construction and calculate the building costs.
I couldn't agree more, stone is exquisite to look at that is carved, and whet they put into museums should be on the outside and our lives lived in beauty!!!
I feel like the video maker didn’t do any research in the structural use of stone, or the use of stone in general
First the “ugly” stone is most of the time extremely weak stone, as the same ugly ununiform line passing the stone are usually weak point were foreign materials separates two rock layers or former cracks in the stone that were filled with dirt carried by water passing through the stone, so every ugly line is a crack waiting to happen
Second when trying to design a structure with stone, there is almost no cheap way of knowing if there are any internal cracks in the stone, so the structural engineer can’t assume that there are no cracks in the stone, so they are left with considering that there are crack in the stone, this makes the design strength of the stone really weak, like a fifth (20%) of the strength of the weakest concrete, so a concrete wall that’s is load bearing with a thickness of 20cm (8”) if made out of stone needs to be 1 meter (3’) thick, and that is not considering that the concrete wall needs to carry a 20 cm thick wall above it while the stone one needs to carry 1 meter thick wall.
Third most natural stone is not that resilient, it’s weak , chemically unstable, full of cracks, full of pours, so it’s far worst than reinforced concrete in longevity, and the pours are a perfectly environment for mold to live (that looks disgusting), and the same mold will accelerate the breakdown of the stone.
Finally steel reinforced concrete isn’t actually that bad, it can be built to last(use sulfur resistant concrete when near salt water or a salty soil, and to have proper cover of the steel rebar with concrete to prevent the rusting of the steel rebar 3-7 cm (1”-3”)), concrete can look beautiful if it’s polished or have a good surface finish, but these cost money and arguably less money that building with stone, and environmentally it’s also better as quarry to dig a 0.2 meter thick concrete wall worth of material is smaller than one that cuts a 1 meter thick stone wall, and most of concrete’s mass is aggregate that can be locally sourced so lower emissions from transport compared to stone that needs to be 5 times as big to have the same strength and cant be sourced locally in all costal cities (costal cities usually have a really thick dirt or sand layer covering the bed rock, and if you try to dig until you find rock you are greeted with water filling the hole you dug faster than you can pump the water out, and the majority of big cities are also costal)
9:25 this is bs argument. we aren't counting "holes" in the ground. it's all about the volume. reinforced concrete is very strong and being versatile it mean more strength for less volume especially on longer spans. concrete columns, beams and slabs are often pretty fine all things considered. so at the end of the day it's irrelevant how many holes if they in total are smaller than one huge hole.
I agree with you, although he might mean that you then have to transport your materials from a bunch of different locations. That might be an issue, as with stone, you just have your one site and transport it all from there.
The touch of stone is amazingly natural and wonderful. You feel amazing with the touch of stone surfaces, no matter how ornamented or refined is the stone building, it will make you feel as if you were at a natural grotto, in the entrails or the 'womb', in a more literary language, of our mother nature. Most of the beautiful temples of the world, which made spirituality more attractive, were made of stone. It instills a great feeling. Undoubtedly God gave us stone rather than other materials.
Or brick
Brick will come in a later video ;)
What about stone bricks? 😨
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Thank you! Doing my best :)
Can you make stone buildings earthquake resistant for places like Japan and California?
It is not a good idea. Seismic resistant buildings require a certain degree of flexibility and stone only works with compressive forces, stone buildings in seismic regions have a precedent of collapsing.
Been wanting stone back just cause I liked it. All the rest was just icing on the cake.
Those who identify as progressive and environmentalists should advocate for the use of stone, which allows for the construction of structures for future generations in harmony with nature.
As a progressive enviromentalist this is absolutely true
Im American, I would love to see more American cities using stone and more natural materials.
In some of our old cities especially on the east cost you'll find a lot of brick buildings, but, this would be really cool to see more wide spread in America.
The USA must have insane amounts of good quality stone of all different kinds. Like Georgian marble for example www.polycor.com/legacy-brands/georgia-marble-company/
Only, I did hear a story (so take it with a grain of salt) from an architect in Georgia about this that they ship it to Canada for processing first, and then ship it out to the final location, that makes it obviously less competitive. Local processing is key
Hello internet. Dad here. It seems we've come to take stone for granite.