CN Train Breaks Two Knuckles in Brampton Ontario!
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- August 11, 2020: CN eastbound manifest train 484 passing through Brampton GO station goes into emergency after breaking a knuckle - and then a second knuckle breaks in front of our position as the train, full brakes applied, shudders over the diamond interlocking while coming to a stop. I called CN's emergency line to tell them about the knuckle (we could hear over the radio the crew didn't know why they'd gone into emergency yet). Video shot by Robin James Wynne.
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A steady camera, a short video with a working title, no clickbait, no shouting or screaming in the background, no long-winded explanation.
Liked!
Perfect video!
It is 100% click bait. Title says that the train broke the knuckles but the fault was in the railway ties lol
Wow, so in order to have a good video u just have to use brain?
@@darkclownKellen........it's like an average person knows wtf You is yapping about
Also, shot in landscape mode, too.
@@darkclownKellen WTF are you talking about?
Imagine being in a rush to get over the crossing and the train your waiting on does this
Just watched one where the air hose blew so the train stopped.
I am glad I own a 4 wheel drive #Toyota_Tacoma.
I can drive between the break and continue to the other side.
Just a touch of "off roading" from what I can see there.
Second time through viewing this.
That "Break" has nothing to do with that crossing, but could affect car traffic somewhere else.
Imagine being a train waiting for the train in emergency to be repaired and moved before you can cross
It works! Brakes come on, it stops.
What more could you want😜👍
To catch it on camera is most impressive, before your very own eyes!!!
Agree 😀
Good catch. I couldn’t quite catch the sound of the slack action rippling down the length of the train. Studies have shown that the leading edge of compression/tension wave speeds up and becomes more violent as it moves down the length of the train since the draw bars are mostly not damped. As the light tail end reflects the wave and the two waves travelling in opposite directions cross, a great deal of force is applied to the knuckles. This is more severe with long trains. If I recall, tri-levels have longer draw bars and are damped to protect the automobiles within, so I am a little surprised the train separated at that coupling.
Right before the auto rack that disconnected comes into view, you can hear a loud bang. For anyone that doesn’t know, that was that cut of cars hitting the first cut.
That was the slack running out. The first knuckle likely towards the front of the train causing the lead cars of the second half to begin braking first. This bunched the slack up in the second half. Once the brakes were set the lightweight auto racks on the rear acted like an anchor trying to stop quicker then the heavier cars that could be seen leading them. This consequently caused the slack to be quickly pulled out of the second half, which you can easily hear and even see happening if you watch carefully. The sudden jerking of the slack violently being pulled out is what caused the second knuckle to break.
- Over two decades working for UP.
@@Henry5623 Ah. Aight.
And i saw that The Autorack Behind the uncoupled car Just got pushed that was the bang!
You'd be correct with that. I'm wondering if the engineer might of bailed off on the independent brake to keep the slack tight in case there was a derailment and to prevent the any derailed railcars from jackknifing, or if the original air line separation was in the back which would naturally cause the back half to start braking harder than the front half?
One of my friends used the independent brake trick once before when he noticed derailed cars on the ground behind him in combination with a small amount of train brake to safely bring his train to a stop without putting any cars into the ditch.
This video is much better than that Jonah guy screaming OMGOMGOMGOMGONG. 8 thousand times.
that kid needs professional help
What Jonathan dude?
@@harrisonofcolorado8886 Railfanning Jonah.
Ikr
Came here directly from that video
Over 200Ft & 17 seconds to come to a stop just from that speed...Thank you for the reminder of why to not try and beat a train at a rail road crossing! Super cool moment you caught!
Used to right that exact go train through that station, and my partner does every day. Always weird to see someplace you recognize on youtube.
Wow ! I grew up right close to that diamond crossing ! Railroad street .
The other rail line was owned by Canadian Pacific .
The big factory building was Hewetson Shoe factory going way back .
Broken couplers ! Wow ! Thats a first for Brampton rail activity .
Perfect timing video taping and cat hing the breakage ! Thanks 👌
Where would this be in relation to the old gummed paper plant?
0:55 Then there was trouble
You have caused confusion and delay
@@9bmichaelcn958 Luckly no one was hurt
Right on the OBRY crossing. What’s the odds. I probably walked down to see it as I would have heard the dingers going for a long time.
And that OBRY line is shutting down December 31 2021 www.orangeville.ca/en/news/orangeville-brampton-rail-access-group-to-terminate-agreement.aspx#:~:text=The%20Orangeville%20Brampton%20Rail%20Access,in%20advance%20of%20the%20Sept. So no more trains in the town of Orangeville as then all those factory's that rely on the train have to use trucks to haul materials in
@@ryemacdougall9716 well dang it, I used to hear trains there
@@GamingRailfanner just today I heard a train as I don't live that fair from the train yard as well I can remember when the tv show due south did a episode that the train yard years before the old building was burned and the town replaced it with a witches hat style building but yea as I said December 31 2021 there then be no more trains running to or from Orangeville as the new mayor or is a real estate agent wants to sell the land but really he is out of his mind and is just no good as a mayor
I got a couple questions I guess about this line who owes it first? Did like cn ever own then they sold it or what lol. And also where did this line run from?
Canadian Pacific used to own it and sold the line to OBRY which the City of Orangeville subsidies. Did not know it is closing.
0:20 that one go train: helo
This is beyond rare. Amazing catch bro. Amazing timing
Had a double knuckle west of Saskatoon 2 years ago while i was working there... fun times.... and royaly screwed our work block lol
That's crazy man, holy moly. I hope everyone was okay.
a train stopped on the tracks with no incident... dunno what you're expecting here.
@@obscurereference6298 well you never know, accidents are always unexpected and sometimes people get hurt in ways that seem impossible, yet they still happen.
It’s a broken knuckle lol. It’s ok. Walk the train and put on a new knuckle, back the train up, air up, and giver shit.
That branch that crosses that mainline is now abandoned
OBRY Owen Sound Spur is now abandoned
Autos..!!🤬 Dang things with those long long draw bars and super long air hose. If they don’t bust a knuckle from the slack running in and back out they’ll catch an air hose coupling on a crossover or street pavement and big hole the train.. Always a shock when you’re rippin down track in run eight at 60 mph with everything going good on the greens then “BAMM” in emergency.!! That’s when it’s great to be the engineer especially in crappy weather since the conductor is the one to walk the train, repair the air hose and/or replace that knuckle.. Sometimes, we’ll have a brakeman on the train if we’re doing set outs and that extra person can help with the repairs. Otherwise, we’ll get dispatch to send out a repair crew if conditions or location is really really bad..Safety first ya know.. (BNSF Engineer, retired)
At the 0:40 second mark, you can hear air brakes engage as notification of decoupling has taken place.
Emergency.
Thanks. My old stomping grounds of Brampton, before moving away 20 years ago. Diamond hasn't changed. Lucky breaking [pun maybe intended??] to witness this up close.
Thank good you moved from this shithole city. the wannabe gangsters are shooting each other's left right center in here. Everyone is on crack here
I used to live near there, my dad and I would ride our bikes to watch trains and get ice cream or slurpees when I was a kid.
I live in brampton. Where abouts is this. Near queen street?
@@bluesord114
Right next to the train station downtown
@@vxskud nice. Ty
Great catch! Awesome timing
0:58 at this moment the auto rack knew.. he screwed up
Knuckle breakage is not an uncommon incident. Emergency brakes on the cars will activate, when this happens. The EOD alarm signals will activate.
May have just come uncoupled I've had that happen numerous times as a engineer
Do you guys not have some kind of indicators in your cabs that let you know that happens?
@@MrJx4000 ya a air gauge when i goes to zero there's a problem lol
FYI, the break seen in this video was NOT the initial break that caused the air to release at around 0:40. This was a secondary break from all the slack running in/out from the brakes applying. Look closely and you can see the cars bunch up quickly, then pull back out. Snap goes the knuckle!
I work in rail crew transport, this can be a fairly regular occurrence in St. Clair River tunnel usually around once a month ish.
Yeah it's not very "not good" at all and isn't even remotely "crazy". The airbrakes dumped and everything stopped smoothly as designed too.
@@kishascape it is an annoying headache to fix, although certainly much easier to deal with than a derailment!
Why are there so many separations there?!
Something to do with the length of the tunnel and the grade exiting either side. If you have too much weight on either head end or rear of the train, it can cause a broken knuckle. Most of the time it happens on the exit side while the is still a large portion of the train hanging out the other end due to the acceleration to climb the grade coming out of the tunnel.
Used to live near here. The midnight train (building to your right) was used for punk rock shows when we were in high-school
I feel like I was there that day.. I remember a pile up in front of the train and turning around I think
4 years later, a caught CN train split again in the same city (though at Mount Pleasant GO station)
Slack action got the second one. I feel sorry for the conductor.....especially if he only has ONE spare knuckle to use.
If they match I'd take one from the front and or rear of the train 😉
That’s what the mechanical department is for, but CN is cutting the department down. I guess they wanna drag junk around behind them.
@@TheLootownpunx cant take it off the rear, most SBU's require a knuckle for it to lock
No lmao
Sbu attaches to coupler not knuckle idiot
Just like Ian Hotson says, I've been a railroader may years and have never seen the shuk n buck. I just made that up. I have seen this happen at low speed but, it's something totally different at high speed.
Stopped in 16 car links! I'd say that's pretty darn quick for iron against iron.
Wow the right time, correct place to be and to record this, it couldn't of been better, great catch!!!✌️👍
Thank you very much!
Wow, I spot there all the time! Great catch! Glad it wasnt a derailment!
Safety 1st‼️ When ii says STOP! ii don't mean maybe! AWESOME video...
The Train must have been speeding just like everyone in Brampton does
It's either a car flips or a train derails. You can't have nice things in Brampton.
Yeah, only Brampton has speeding vehicles. 😑
@@Tiago-mb4lv Brampton is the cause in the spike in insurance. I ain't gonna sugar coat this, but Brampton drivers drive like they never left India or Pakistan....
@@Fumxe Its no different in Toronto or Mississauga, or Etobicoke. Its the GTA.
You live in Brapton I'm assuming, so it's normal for you to see shitty driving. Yall limits are either 60 or 80
Wow !! What are the odds that you would be there to catch this ?? Amazing !! James. FFV.
Sad that OBRY crossing will be gone soon if it’s not already
read your description... from the way the engr snatched the slack out, i'm surprised the crew didn't know why they went into emergency... that was some rough train handling and a potentially fireable offence
the train was already in emergency by the time the time the slack ran out in the video. Regardless of what causes a train to go into emergency, hard slack action is often a result as different parts of a long mixed freight will brake harder than others.
@@bobsmith2637 @ 00:40 emergency application... @ 00:56 slack runs out break in two, you are correct
Fireable offense? Yeah right. If that was the case I’d be number one on the seniority roster.
@@IanR1205 Locomotive engineers must exercise judgment and plan ahead to operate their train safely
and efficiently. The engineer is responsible for properly controlling the slack in the train.
Good train handling requires the proper combination of throttle modulation, dynamic
braking, and air braking to:
· Protect yourself and others from injury.
· Prevent damage to the track structure and equipment.
· Protect lading.
· Use the most fuel-efficient method consistent with good train handling.
· Controlling and limiting in-train forces is essential for safe train operation. Unless an
emergency or other condition requires immediate speed reduction, change throttle
positions and dynamic and air brake applications slowly to allow slack to adjust
gradually. Many locomotives can produce higher tractive effort than the average train’s
draft gear and couplers can withstand.
High retarding force during dynamic braking can cause excessive buff forces. To limit
these forces, observe dynamic braking limitations.
@@IanR1205 so i suppose the company that wrote what i posted wrote it because they were BORED and didn't have anything else to do right????... poor train handling will get you FIRED... you ain't paid to put the trains in the ditch and bust up the freight... you're paid to get the train over the road and in one piece undamaged
Of course it's in Brampton
You really get a sense of what a dump brampton is when you see it on you tube.
You wouldn’t mistake those cars for well-maintained equipment.
Wow! That was being in the right spot at the right time.
Little fast over a rail road Diamond with a train of empty tanks and tri levels. Doubt it was broken knocle more likely by passe.
Sounded like right after the tank cars passed the hose bag hit the diamond (+ rail crossing) its common place due to a high spot there. Causing the train to go into emergency shortly after the in train forces caused slack to run out and snapped the knuckles.
Wow great catch!
used to live 4 houses down the corner you are standing on....that spot gets messed up every year from water in the ground.
That’s wild I didn’t know you go go that fast over diamonds
I wonder if the graffiti on the auto racks, the paint goes through the holes in the sides and onto the cars inside.
Damn before the pandemic I took that Go train every day. Scary stuff
Not scary at all. In fact, quit the opposite. Upon the emergency brake application, once the cars are uncounted and the air supply cut off, the break shoes automatically engage and any free running set of cars stops in its own. Great safety measure.
If you are an eight year old girl maybe. LOL
I have seen as many as four knuckles in a single train, that many is pretty rare though.
I think when the loco dont detect the air hose and "fred" (flashing rear end device) the train stops each car gotta have steady air hose connection to release the break of each car am I right?
When you lose the air in the brake pipe between cars that's what does it. When one car dumps the air every car does.
So I believe how it works is the air pressure in the line holds back what are called “spring brakes.” When air pressure is lost, like a car disconnecting and breaking the air line, there is no longer any pressure on the springs, which activates the brakes. This is why the loose cars stopped so quickly on their own.
@@slyhog007 When the brake pipe loses pressure rapidly air from both side of the reservoir on each car then applies the breaks on the rolling stock. Hundred percent pneumatic.
@@slyhog007 Train emergency brakes work opposite to truck air/spring brakes. Each car has a brake reservoir (tank), full of air. The high air pressure in the brake pipe keeps the car brakes released. When an air hose breaks, or a coupler breaks, all the air from the brake pipe is lost, and the full air pressure from each car's reservoir applies the brakes of each car.
0:55 If I saw cars on a train jolt and rip apart like that, I would think for sure that there had been a derailment further down the consist.
Great catch, but I have no idea why you had to suddenly stop recording.
You could had at least pulled the carriages up to the rest of the train and hooked them up again.
I live in Brampton and I usually suffer from this train because it stops bus #5 going to westwood bus terminal for like 15 - 20 minutes several times everyday which is really a waste of time and boring
Did yall know the auto Tran cars that they have cars in them
Strange. But sometimes it happen.
Problems are everywhere.
Looks like DPU and breaks on that part of the train were stronger and to much stress for the mid train
That train going fast probably doing 60 looks like city
Great video, keep them coming.
I’m surprised that the auto racks didn’t come uncoupled. Happens a lot..
There’s another guy who caught something like this years ago I think his channel name is millennium force
Hey! My home town!
Nice catch, very lucky to see that.
Glad I own a 4 wheel drive #Toyota_Tacoma.
I can drive between the break and continue to the other side.
Just a touch of "off roading" from what I can see there.
Second time through viewing this.
That "Break" has nothing to do with that crossing, but could affect car traffic somewhere else.
The old lady has a broken train knuckle 😎
We seen a knuckle break this is cRaAaZzZyYY!!!
A great catch of the action.
He or she is going too fast in a populated area no?
It’s located at Railroad Street
0:55 the train might have pulled to hard and broke it
Pretty rare catch, would've been nicer if the video didn't end so abruptly, maybe walk up to where the knuckle broke?
Incredibly good luck
once train have big pull knuckle is break off!
Noth with a Heritage Unit!
I heard that is the only 90° crossing in Ontario
Thumbs up for Brampton!!
Is nobody going to talk about that new look to the GO cab
they had them for awhile, not exactly new
@@ebolduc4150 oh well I never seen them then but they look cool tho what model is it called
Railroad st. Downtown Btown!!
Correct
guy waiting at crossing: wait i know what happened its the air brakes there not coupled up properly
enjoyed!
No car deliveries today
Wow thats wild! Great catch!!
Crazy, but that's how it goes....
Stressful enough' CONDR gets rawhided without a crew hauler. Then the mngr downloads the recorder to get in the ENGR's business if train handling to blame.
When corporate greed trumps safety
When you are fast, you get a free car :D
It only broke one knuckle, don’t know why you thought 2 broke.
read the description of the video for an explanation.
I feel like CN has the most train accidents @-@
Nah CSX
@@Highclearmedia yeah csx i can agree lol
"this is crazy"
Do trains normally move this fast and I just never see them? I mean jesus
Yes, freight can run up to 70moh
great catch
I always find it fishy in RUclips railway videos how people are there filming before something happens. Especially train derailments. How did you know To take out your capture device to film this?
Some railfans watch trains and videotape them daily, it's only natural that these sorts of things end up on video. The worst thing I ever caught was a Dash-9 spewing out smoke from everywhere in the hood. Nasty burnt electronics smell.
@@aspenGF8 makes sense
As Homer Simpson would say, "D'Ohhhhhhhh!" But a very long walk for the crew with 2 broken, heavy knuckles. Arent they somewhere around 80 pounds per knuckle?
OR as Sir Topham Hatt would say "This has caused confusion and delay".
Hmmmmm?, but those British "turnbuckle" couplers shouldnt give Sir Topham Hatt problems, right? My son in law worked for a local RR for a while, they were always breaking knuckles with loaded coal trains going uphill, but he was capable of toting 2 - 80 lb knuckles, big dude!
The one I use for a doorstop weighs in at 78 pounds. It came off a 73 foot long loaded centerbeam car that snapped it's rear knuckle a few years ago. Had a internal fracture in the top half of the knuckle that was practically impossible to see but had been growing for years. The rust staining made it a dead give away where the fracture was since when the bottom let go you could see fresh metal and see just how little was actually holding the train together before it finally failed. Makes a good door stop. Just don't ever trip over it. Trust me it'll always win.
- Over two decades working for UP.
If you really want to piss off your conductor, do this by mishandling the throttle! I had one conductor friend who threatened to shove the broken knuckle up his dumb engineer’s a**. The break was 100+ cars back!
I found the intersection on google maps lol
Park St. /Railroad St.
Amazon's new delivery method.
I hear the brakes
Exactly what is the speed thru what appears to be an urban industrial area?
Out here on the CN in Illinois, passenger trains can go 79 freight trains can go 60 through areas like this.
Its about 60 here, and it is actually Urban only, with a old industrial building
I used to live around the corner from here and i use the bus terminal in the area often. It always freaks me out how fast the trains go in this area with houses being so close. I know they go as fast as they are allowed to. Just makes me nervous.
That was a drawbar not a knuckle