Xiangli Yao Has Some Issues
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- Xiangli Yao is arriving for free to every player's roster in just a few weeks, and there is a lot to like. However, his kit has some complications that could keep you from reaching his maximum potential.
Find out what they are, and why they're a problem.
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Tried some new music this time around. Let me know if it helps!
its great
music is good, and yes Xiangli Yao is not that good as an replacement for Calcharo, especially if one already leveled and build Calcharo 👍
Do you think a two piece set 44111 echo build of void thunder and lingering tunes would save the crit issue? As well as saving not being able to consistently trigger 5 pc void thunder?
My god, you just scared the shit out of me, I thought it was something really problematic, but I can live without one or two buffs lost around.
I think his crit rate situation is probably the biggest issue players will face.
Even with a crit rate roll on every piece and his 5* weapon, if your crit rate rolls are bad you'll end up at around 60-65% crit rate. Kind of wild.
@@saintontas Well, that's a problem, but we're playing gacha, we live for gambling and I bet my critic will be sad, but anything is better than the Cachorro (calcharo)
@@DiaboAlpaca In the spirit of gacha, Xiangli with perfect echoes should have the highest crit damage in the game (aside from maybe zhezhi with her weapon and a CD 4-cost)
@@saintontasEasily fixed with food or, according to the leaks, Shorekeeper's crit rate buff.
thumbnail be taking clicks, Im dissapointed that I too dont want Xangli Yao slander XD
Ok, but why is calcharo's name getting worse each new video about him 💀, from calcharo to cacharo to kakarot to calculator
Kakarot is Calcharo’s old name in cbt. But the others are just straight made up😂
it's the new meme and it's honestly hilarious. wuwa subreddit is killing it
He's kekaro now. Kekman
Kakacarrotcake
I think it's a meme ab chalupa and getting his name wrong
He's a Free Character. I think its fair for Kuro to put on a slight disadvantage since he does Massive amounts of DMG 😅
We pray for new 4-costs and sonata sets!
I heard in 1.3 there will be like 10 + more echos from various different sets@@saintontas
Yall worrying too much about his CR, one of shorekeeper’s leaks is increasing party’s CR, right? The immediate banner right after his?
But bruh my dumbass spent all pulls on zhezhi@@applecider6704
@applecider6704 Yeah and she makes two hits against an ally count as dodge. Xiangli gets two forte stacks from dodge counters.
Saintontas always finds a way to make everything sound like it's worse than it is lol
But I like that WuWa's community isn't an echo chamber and that people are free to criticize stuff without being ganged up on
He does his best to stomp on our dreams and we love him for that. (Well, I do, he makes me be more realistic about gacha.)
I personally don't think I make things sound worse than they are, instead I think I just go into depth about why they're bad.
Hahaha, I have to agree with you there. This video was recommended to me and I thought, "Hm, I suppose it's reasonably click bait-y and I personally don't like that." Perhaps it could've been titled "Yao Got Two Buffs Removed", but it wouldn't attract as much drama and click, would it? 😉
Buddy said there's issues with xiangli yao which is you needing to build him 🤣
@@MagisterialVoyager No one will watch that though, they will just see the title and go "oh, ok". Those kind of straightforward content are better used on twitter.
This all sounds like a big non-problem tbh. No one has him yet. All the optimal things will be figured out once he's here. A resonance skill and a heavy attack don't sound that hard to perform. We have to take a step out of our way to activate a buff. This is not a big deal. If thundering is too cumbersome, just use tempest. Crit rate on his weapon and lack of crit rate in his talent tree also not a big deal. So long as you can get to 50%+ you'll be fine. There's no need to be scared.
Yeah I have 250 CD and 70 CR on him so I don’t see it as that bad, plus he only needs around 120ER and I only have 3 CR substat rolls, plus the electro 5-pc bonus can be set off by using resonance skill twice instead and since his can be used normally then be used right after to consume his forte for the full electro buff, it doesn’t seem like that much of a problem
@@peng0382 you won't have 70% crit rate just with 3 cr rolls my dude. He has no cr talent and his weapon has a standard 24% crit rate.
@@hariskurniawan-vm8wx prolly he using 44111
@@hariskurniawan-vm8wxDude's kinda high so he spittin on BS
@@JayceRustia Why is that? majority of WUWA players have CR 70 CD 270 already 🤷 even my Jinshi, Jiyan, and Yinlin have those kind of stats... above it tbh... its a perfect reroll 🤷 not really BS at all.... tbh, these stats is considered a perfect reroll for F2P, have you not seen the P2W content creators who are above and beynod of theses stats? your just one of the haters who is salty of being unlucky on reroll
1: Just use Lingering Tunes.
2: He needs double crit on every piece if he uses Crit DMG 4-cost? Really? Just like EVERYBODY ELSE? NO SHIT!
dude, the character is not even out yet. people always say this stuff about every new character how about we decide when we actually get him and can test him more?
Everyone is in need of crit rate.
My calcharo is a crit damage bith and doing okay in 50% crit rate hahaha
Thankfully his attack animations being so fast help compensate for these issues.
The heavy attack animation is fast making it easier to weave into rotations.
His basic attacks are also really fast and basically have no recovery so you can likely deliver so many that the number of attacks makes up the slightly lower instances of landing a crit.
based on the wording, you can trigger the effect by using a skill twice. The sentence specifies that the electro damage increase occurs "after releasing heavy attack or skill." Therefore, you can use two skills in succession to get the two stacks of +15 electro damage, for a total of +30 electro damage. There's no need to mix a heavy attack with a skill unless you want to. And also after trying him, you can do two resonance skills just by doing a resonance skill before his forte get full, then use that full forte to get the second 15 dmg
The stacks are entirely separate in testing. You can't actually use two skills to get the full bonuses, you'll only get 15%.
Wuwa translation strikes again :( Thanks for testing that! I would've never known that they were separate conditions.
@@saintontas oh, that makes sense, since calculator does his forte through both resonance skill and heavy attack.
I tried this with Calcharo, didn't work. Using two skills in a row didn't give 30% bonus, only 15%.
@@merlinsama Thanks for actually testing it.
Poor Cacharro, got powercreeped not even 5 months into the game
Yay calchuros cant get a break
A standard banner character getting powercrept? 🤯🤯
He’s a standard character in the end, Verina is getting powercretp next patch with Shorekeeprs arrival, but obviously she will still be used in other teams
@@wasee1178 doubt verina will be that much powercrept even by shorekeeper, because verina has an insanely short rotation to fill her concerto, doubt shorekeeper will be that short
we can still use kangaroo on a seperate team in TOA tho, if you're f2p or still saving
Never realized that Void Thunder is indeed hard to use with Xiangli Yao. That's a good find, esp the 5pc echo set. I think the biggest hurdle here is the crit rate since we'll need every single crit rate from echo subs and that might not even be enough if we'll not be using Verity's Handle (I myself plan on using Abyss Surges with him). We'll probably need a new 4 cost echo on the latter versions to fit into his kit.
@@jumpkicking Yeah it’s not that bad of a deal yes literally the same as Jiyan and Jinhsi except for CD instead which provides the same CV so it doesn’t matter, plus if rumors are true about Shorekeeper she buffs CR which means you can have 300 CD on him plus her buffs should be around 80 CR which is good so paired with her he would be even better due to the higher CD potential
If only the echo worked like in illusive realm where you dont need to commit completely into the echo combo but can separate it into multiple activation in your rotation
I feel like the Mephis just kind of suck as Echos... I'm hoping new glacial, electro, and fusion 4 cost echos are better than what we have right now.
The main problem with calcharo was him being too vulnerable to attacks during his liberation and his playstyle upto some extent leaving him exposed. Xiangli Yao is still better than calcharo in regards to playstyle and easiness.
Wild thought but i think his lack of swap cancelling and the dmg bonus from his sig might make lingering tunes his BiS (crit, dmg bonus, dmg bonus, atk, atk). U can use a full electro team with quickswap calcharo (void thunder) yinlin during cal liberation then yinlin outro onto xiangli yao (lingering tunes) hypercarry. That's gonna be a really complex rotation tho
Also how kuro takes inspo from DMC - Vergil's yamato is calcharo, vergil's beowulf is xiangli yao hahaha
Thank you for the build idea…
Not like I wasn’t going to do that already.
You’re actually right, Lingering Tunes can be better but it’s only really better if you have his signature and Yinlin, but it gets better and better the more copies of his weapon you get. But at a baseline I think it can be up to 10% better but it depends on substats
I actually want to build lingering tunes on him in my opinion
a tricky hoop you say?
Fuck that we ball.
"When he's free you can't complain too much..."
Yes, but I'm petty, whiny, and lazy.
If they didn't bugfix the Thundering Mephis Skin giving the Liberation dmg% buff on the first hit, Yao and Cal could be so much better.
they should just make it upon transformation like crownless
@saintontas Isn't it obvious that the go to here is just Lingering Tunes? Not only does Tempest not work, his outro skill is a DPS outro skill, similar to Calcharo and Chixia. A 60% bonus onto his 237% * 3, along with the robot itself dealing Electro damage, not slowing down the rotation, etc. It also has no conflicts with his skills, and with a 6s full stack time at max, there's likely enough time to get his main damage up within the range of Yinlin's Outro. Just seems to me that this character is everything that Calcharo wanted to be, but better lmao. Main burst damage all buffed by Yinlin's outro, being able to actually continue to dps properly through dodges, etc.
Lee suffering from success in pgr lore
Xiangli yao suffering from success in wuwa meta
About the eco set, some TCs are saying that Lingering Tunes is actually better when you have his weapon. No dps lost
True. The mech echo itself just drops a field unlike the other options
Or you can have ATK as a main stat on one 3 cost and voilà VT is better
Wait... Wait. Void Thunder literally said. Heavy Atk OR Res Skill to activate buffs.
So i thought it means you can just choose which one to activate twice, isn't that the case?! Am i tripping?!
We already jumped though 300 hoops to get Calcharo working, this is nothing.
You can get VT’s buff simply by Heavy input + E cancel. They don’t need to actually hit.
We might see some ppl using 44111 with crit rate on both 4c.
You'd definitely want a mix of CD/CR on the 4-costs if you're running 4/4/1/1/1.
The problem with him is that hes not with me
Apparently lingering tunes is better than void thunder for him if you have his signature weapon. If not well would 2pc Void Thunder 2pc Lingering work?
Regarding crit rate, would 44111 work with one crit rate main and one crit dmg main?
All of the TC I've seen on Lingering Tunes vs VT doesn't incorporate substats or team buffs. If anything, you'd run a 3-cost ATK on VT instead of Electro DMG if the idea is that he's oversaturated with DMG%. That's Jinhsi's optimal setup at E0S1 with her sig's big boost to res skill dmg.
2PC/2PC sets are pretty much awful in every way because the 5pc bonuses are strong, and 4/4/1/1/1 could work because he has the built in DMG %, but it'll still be worse than 4/3/3/1/1 setups.
The game is so balanced ATK, Crit Rate, and Crit Damage can all be interchanged. Don't stress too much about them.
Yippie I'm getting a bbg for my second electro team‼️ I'm still using Calcharo tho, he's my main and I ain’t letting him go. Not after making all my experience in this game.
I hope kuro will introduce 4 cost echo that will suitable for Xiangli Yao
Ill just take my time fully powering up Yao xD thanks for the tips btw!
If you don't mind a bit of damage loss, there's always the option to run him on a 44111 set. Which is easier to build around to get your desired crit damage or rate. Heck, you can just go crazy and give him 44111 with lingering tunes, use mech abomination for his main summon and he'll still look great. As long as your not trying to clear TOA under a minute with him, even on 2/2 set he'll perform well
You can't build a 44111 in lingering cuz there is only one cost 4 type which is the mech abomination
@@ELEFE10110 I meant a 44111 half lingering half electro
I saw a damage calculator that said that his best set, if you have weapon, is lingering tunes. Especially because if his outro skill being damage oriented
I don’t understand.. the echo set says heavy attack or skill.. it doesn’t say “and”.. to me that means just skill should get me the bonus especially with the 5 sec cool down and how sometime u can use skill twice in raw. Or am I missing something here?
It is 5th video I see with this exactly naming and theme. Are eyes creator luck some imagination or what is going on. Why you all repeating same videos all over again. This click bait is such a pathetic thing to do
I feel like he's going to get better the more echos get released because it's probable that there's going to be better options in the future
to be fair you can use his resonance skill during his liberation to get the set boost since his resonance skill changes to a different resonance skill. But yea I do think Lingering set has potential to be the best set for him
Holy heck! You are right it is not OR but actually an AND. You need to cast both and they each have different timers. Thank you! 🎉
I'm glad you decided to do your own testing to confirm! I saw your previous comment and was just about to ask you to do that.
Thanks for taking the time to confirm it yourself.
My expected 43311 cr ratio for him is around 70/270 as maximum with sig weap. one echo doesnt have cd tho. could reach about 280+ but we ballin' with that cr ratio so ig it's just fine
tha actual problem for me about him is his lack of aoe when triggering normal attacks or building stacks and his low attack speed. He felt kinda disappointing to play for me, even though his animations and sound effects really looks cool. Since this game is a hard-to-build-character game, i will just keep him lvl 1 and save resources for futures unities that are actually worth building. I dont actually care about getting all those buffs, at the end of the day, if you are able to do TOA and DIR all the way up, youre fine, wuwa already reached its endgame, so now just build characters you like.
Pretty sure this is non existent issue about Void Thunder when using Xiangli Yao since you can just simply use Heavy Attack then cancel it with Resonance Skill. Easy 30% buff lol.
The only DPS loss for Void Thunder is Tempest and Thundering Mephis needs field time unlike Lingering Tunes with Mech Abomination.
With his weapon and complete forte circuit I'll have him at a 70/270 crit ratio with my current build. I can't wait to try him out 😁.
Is that like 8%+ crit rate on every piece? That's wild, congats.
Between 7/9% and four of the five pieces are double crit so I could potentially get more crit damage if I luck up on a double crit 1 cost for further min maxing.
its easy to change his problems with void of thunder, change the set for the lingering tunes, the main cost 4 echo is easy to use and his outro skill has a good multiplier to proc the set, and if you gonna pull por his signature weapon maybe lingering tunes is gonna be the bis set for him.
... I just realized... before this video, I automatically knew that much of the focus I will have on his kit will fall on the resLib. Meaning, I'd prefer having an energy regen heavy, with a sub on either ATK based or DMG based numbers. What I'm worried about is his survivability XD
i cant believe i felt for this cheap clickbait...
honestly you deserve a good bash for telling me that i breath air
Pretty sure it doesn't say that you HAVE to use 1 of each to get both stacks. You should be able to get both by just using his skill twice.
Have seen how complicated an optimized chalcaro run was 😅
XY would be the same but with smoother kit as you can dodge counter freely
I think he will be really good pair with yuanwu, to keep filling his forte quickly so he cam spam thats cool looking forte
My other characters have enough CD, so i'll prioritize CR for Xiangli Yao when it comes to the 4 cost, already have a few double crit pieces ready for him
Well I mean honestly, if the resonator doesn’t have the crit rate skill bonuses, we’re looking at 60-65% crit if you get average cr rolls so it’s to be expected
Maybe it is just me but I think he doesn't really have an issue with Void Thunder.
The way I see it is that we can trigger the full set effect by using heavy attack then a quick skill attack "before" using his liberation therefore geting the most out of it before nuking, then while in liberation we need to use his full gauge forte 3 times anyways so we would still get that high uptime on the full set effect
His skill cd is quite fast not to mention that it reset as soon as you reach max forte stacks
If the problem with the electro set is not being able to max the 5 set buff then is nerfing him to an attack sett gonna make his dps higher or nah? considering his weapon already loaded on atk in exchange for crit as you said, is it not too much to stick an attack set on him?
the echo set is kinda w/e not that big of an issue only actual struggle comes from getting right substats rly since its hard to get both crit stats w liberation and er for him to work. Tho i already have a decent build for him so far and it sits around 60cr/256cd and around 130-40 er. tho i got crit rate on almost every echo so ye...
"him and calculator" completely threw me off lol
I'm really thinking if investing on Yao is worth it...
If the problem with calcharo is that he is hard and can't always reach his dmg ceiling, this goes for Yao too. Besides, a lot of ppl already got a broadblade from jiyan or jinhsi :/
can you make the rotation system and showcase of xiangli yao after him release?
I am giving him Calcharo op set, he will have 80/290 with 25% liberation damage and 128 Er, I can't wait for him, I also built a cracked moonlit set for yinlin "btw this is with his weapon, which I'll be 100% getting "
This is just evidence that Void Thunder needs an overhaul. Everywhere you look, it's bad compared to alternatives. Calcharo and Xiangli Yao with LT, and Yinlin with Moonlit.
Thundering memphis can stack up energy, if you guys don't know the reason why I can able to use Calcharo Ult per rotation.
If you guys are afraid of taking damage, I use Jianxian to shield up + heal it's not a problem.
Why was bro trying to scare everyone, we knew that anything other than him would have to be earned 💀💀
Ya.. so that's why I'm choosing to save my money on living him up in the future. ❤
My Calcharo build is the best out of all my characters
137% er 33% liberation damage bonus with cr/cdmg on everything except one, Xiangli is gonna love sharing echoes with my Calcharo :')
Another banger video 🔥🔥
Another great video, but the background music was kinda cringe 😬 it didn’t match up very well imo
Im tempted to get his weapon but I might need to garuntee shorekeeper. Either way anything will be better for my yinlin than calculator
Isn't it the norm for having double crits in all of your echoes?
To be honest, I already have an almost completed electro set cuz I main Calcium (he's the char that brought me to the game to begin with), and I'm already willing to have every single echo set of my chars with crit chance and crit damage, so I assume that every hardcore endgame player would be doing the same as I, but I see that I'm the delusional person breaking their head with the game's RNG system xD
For those wondering how's my echo farming doing: I only need a CD Tempest Mephis (I have one with crit rate, but I'm going to replace it with the CD one) and a 1 cost with both crit rate and crit dmg
Rolling both crit, is already a standard...
Nothing unusual.
So I changed my 4 cost echo to crit rate, so this one has 18 crit damage as substat and all the others have crit damage too. So I
It would be 60-70 crit damage and 40 crit rate on echoes
I'm just curious about what's better xiang li yao's signature weapon or rank 5 battle pass gauntlet? apparently it has a 54% liberation dmg bonus, every answer will be appreciated ❤
xianli is good just the way he is lets not forget hes free
so...
Im 2x electro% lingering on calcharo and he does more dmg than with void...(for example the echo crits add up to around 45-60k alone.... and its instant without transform) i put my void on yinlin with construct as main echo for parry and left the tunes on calcharo. Probably going to stick with tunes on xiangli yao aswell
Sorry for my poor English, i didn’t know the void thunder stack like this way 3:20. I tested on Yinlin and yes one heavy attack one skill only made two stacks, two skill or heavy not work but they use “or” (like an optional), is that needs to be “and” ?😊. Is my problem being bad at English or Kuro made confusing (misleading) description for this set? Thanks .
void thunder just sucks, but on the good side whenever they release new sets like one that buffs liberation dmg he will benefit a lot of it
Wuwa ruin my life. Now i have a problem
Instead using half lingering tune. Better Just take the 15% bonus from complete set, with ok chance to get 30😅
I would bet money that in the future there will be videos saying “how a wuthering waves character became the most joked character in the game” aka calcharo. Literally not even in the story and only 1.2 and he’s already being memes on…
The problems XY are the same problems any future electro DPS will have until they fix Void Thunder set.
Any thoughts on lingering tune set?
Since his field uptime is high.
Some people say lingering tunes is higher in dps tho
I sense a lot of hate against this free five star character
People sh*t on Calcium, but I liked his gameplay. And Yao - I don't care if he's nerfed a little. Another pretty husbando to my collection 😍
Crit rate main, crit damage sub stats roll higher and he has the crit damage in his kit so crit is not a issue.
He is free This Time, This event not forever! that's the trick he is a promotional character
He's not genshit's free Aloy, so that's a huge win.
3:25 Video made Void Sonata effect sound like it only stacks once from skill and another from heavy or was video trying to say, optimally you should trigger one from skill and another from heavy to get the most up time on the buff (15sec of +30%) instead of waiting 5secs for another skill use? (10s of +30%) Still Great Video Anyway.
You can't fully stack void thunder without using both a heavy and resonance skill. You can test it yourself with Yuanwu. Casting his resonance skill multiple times over 15s will only give you a 15% electro buff.
Calcaro is a million times "smoother" than Xiangli. All this fake propaganda is really stupid and clearly made up. What's actually true is that Xiangli just doesn't need to be optimized with all the Calcharo specific tech in order to do equal damage.
Hmn... interesting, but he's free so it's fair that he has some disadvantages. Anyway, any news of a 5* gunner coming up?
if its free and functionable don't complain.
is he stronger than changli or jinshi if i get his signature?
Electro dps in wuwa like support, doesn't exist, only Verina.
So toaqi and yangyang as supports. With good ER replace yangyang; got it.
Every limited 5 star has crit rate bonus? What about jiyan and calcharo... man it's nit an issue gearing him is the easiest task of all... w8th my current echoes my calcharo has a ratio of 67 over 240 at level 80 withoutany signature weapon ... now with xiangli yao's weapon I can reach 91 over 240 and I can potentially switch to a crit damage 4 cost echo and hit even higher numbers... to me this video was very underwhelming because all the problems yiu said he has is hardly even a problem... switch to him do one heavy attack and echo skill and straight to resonance liberation... easy combo and easy dps check
Wow this video is huge bunch of dommposting for no particular reason.
Also according to calculator, xiangli yao's best set is linguring tunes with his signature weapon.
And he forgets to mention that all weapons except rectifiers have lower crit but more attack and most of the problem is solved by using a crit rate body.
I just remembered most of his videos are weird and negative even when talking about some fact or feature that is positive. And I specifically remembered to select the option to never recommend his channel but I guess it never worked which is typical of youtube.
Got my yuonwu holding his echoes and gauntlets (BP)
86.6cr 206cd rn with 122er. Not perfect but this should do just fine
so... levelling a character is a game issue... IG!
How much energy regen do you suppose Xiangli Yao will need? Or do you think we will need to wait until his release to really say for sure?
Energy Regen is a funky stat in WuWa because of how much energy intro skills give.
You can make due with less ER if you're giving Xiangli every intro skill from your healer, but that means you have to supercharge ER on your SubDPS to keep up.
It's a lot easier to get an answer once people start experimenting with his rotations because of that.
Mostly likely 125 like encore
There's some issues with xiangli yao you need to build him