Why are there so many denominations?
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2024
- Dan from Indiana calls Hank Hanegraaff, the host of the 𝘉𝘪𝘣𝘭𝘦 𝘈𝘯𝘴𝘸𝘦𝘳 𝘔𝘢𝘯 broadcast and the 𝘏𝘢𝘯𝘬 𝘜𝘯𝘱𝘭𝘶𝘨𝘨𝘦𝘥 podcast, to ask why Jesus prayed "that they mall be one," even though we have so many denominations.
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The devil can not deffeat the body of Christ. But he can make its members feel separate.
@ike780 Good point.
@BibleAnswerMan I just watched a video that says that Greek Orthodoxy believes in grace plus works to receive salvation like the Roman Catholics do, so I went to the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America website on their how-are-we-saved- page and it appears that it is true. They site Mat 19:16-19 as the text to validate this. What is Hanks perspective on this? I see many verses like Galatians 2:21 that refute works in conjunction with grace. Thanks for your response.
Faith infused with works, by grace alone.
@DrDsIT Hank discusses the question on salvation with Fr. Andrew Stephen Damick on this episode of Hank Unplugged: ruclips.net/video/mrA56tmvwiU/видео.html Listen also to the interview with Nathan Jacobs ruclips.net/video/0IkWN4WgIKc/видео.html Please also watch Hank's series Glorification in the Christian Life: Fellowship in the Trinity ruclips.net/p/PLyyR05FPp3pTVLiRnIqVyLB91Cu8zFEO2&si=ipClBdMgZlCU5pSB
I don't understand how Hank can answer this way when the eastern orthodox Church is clear that there is no salvation outside their church.
@shaytanisislam5056 Do you believe salvation can come to sinners outside your church denomination? Salvation received in Mosque, Ashram, Kingdom Hall, Mormon Temple?
Orthodox theologian Timothy Ware indicates “Orthodoxy…teaches that outside the Church there is no salvation,” but adds “Does it therefore follow that anyone who sis not visibly within the Church is necessarily damned? Of course not; still less does it follow that everyone who is visibly within the Church is necessarily saved” (4. Timothy Ware, The Orthodox Church: An Introduction to Eastern Christianity [United Kingdom, Penguin, 1963], 240). To this can be added: "Although nearly all Orthodox are agreed in their fundamental teaching concerning the Church, they do not entirely agree concerning the practical consequences which follow from this teaching. There is first a more moderate group, which includes most of those Orthodox who have had close personal contact with other Christians. This group holds that, while it is true to say that Orthodoxy is the Church, it is false to conclude from this that those who are not Orthodox cannot possibly belong to the Church. Many people may be members of the Church who are not visibly so; invisible bonds may exist despite an outward separation. The Spirit of God blows where it chooses and, as Irenaeus said, were the Spirit is, there is the Church. We know where the Church is but we cannot be sure where it is not" (Ibid., 301)
How old is this recording. Hank became an Orthodox Catholic Church member and it changed him
That jives with what he's saying here, though. If he still trusts the essentials of salvation through Christ, he can have whatever secondary details he likes.
@charleswalsh9895 This is a relatively new video. It represents the message of Hank Hanegraaff and the Christian Research Institute.
@@BibleAnswerMan I’m sure it doesn’t represent his bishop’s views.
No, Hank is not Catholic. He is against Catholic practices
@@user-uu8bs8tg1k he was received into the Orthodox Catholic Church through chrismation in 2017.
Orthodoxy is not a denomination. The term “denomination” only denotes the various schisms from the Church. The Church is the body of Christ. Hank’s view is a denial of the incarnation. The Body of Christ has clear physical borders.
Well there is enough blame to go around for everyone with respect to the eleventh century schism. See our article on denominations www.equip.org/articles/what-denomination-should-i-join/ Listen to Hank's talk on the doctrine of unity: ruclips.net/video/2lU9bVT4yMk/видео.html interviews w/ Nathan Jacobs ruclips.net/video/j4mGAn_epbk/видео.html w/ Francis Chan and KP Yohanan ruclips.net/video/8Au66qVArRE/видео.html w/ Bradley Nassiff ruclips.net/video/wD4DHzIY7-o/видео.html
@@BibleAnswerMan I will read the lives of the saints instead. You didn’t address my comment, but instead shifted to a weird tongue in cheek criticism of the Orthodox Catholic Church.
We typically blame schismatics for falling into schism.
Hank, if I may be bold with you...
Your answer began fine but devolved into a tangled doctrinal mess.
I am sure your caller was left thinking the same thing.
You must, Hank, further explain, and thus add to your essentials, that it is the Lord Jesus who sovereignly changes the hearts and minds of a man to do all of those things you glossed over as being essentials.
You gloss over your essentials as if men are to do those things.
I know you know this...
None of us has done any of those things to a saving degree, if you will.
That is why the Lord Jesus sovereignly changes our hearts and minds so that we can do those things to the degree He has intended for each of us while we are members of of the Body of Christ even while we live in this perishing world.
Boldly, I will conclude with this...
Your doctrinal explanations are woeful. They are a swirling mixture of things that do not harmonize Scripture.
I say that with respect because I recognize the Lord uses you as among a remnant of peerless apologists who defend our faith admirably.
Your scholarship is outstanding, and therefore, so is your knowledge...
I have personally used your apologetic scholarship, trusting it without question.
But, that is a testiment to your knowledge and scholarship.
But, as to your understanding?
In particular, as to your soteriological understanding?
Specifically, your understanding of the Gospel?
It is woeful.
I say that with respect, hoping to spur you into focusing your efforts into harmonizing your Scriptural disconnects.
...Scripture does harmonize!
@dsp62122 Do not see how your criticism applies to Hank's response on denominations? But all denominations originate in sin. See www.equip.org/articles/what-denomination-should-i-join/
What is wrong with Hank's soteriology?
@BibleAnswerMan
Denominations aside, I may have errantly posted. I apologize if I did.
That notwithstanding, as to Hank's soteriological construct...
Hank's soteriological construct is firmly rooted in what a man must do to be saved.
That notion is nonsensical.
It is the Lord Jesus who sovereignly saved each of us by changing our hearts, our minds, and our free wills to believe in Him, live by faith through Him, and to strive to lead blameless lives.
The Lord Jesus does that to each of us, but to each of us, He will do that in our proper turn.
Some of us He changes even while living in this perishing world.
Others He will change when they fall asleep.
Still, others will be changed if they are alive and remain when He returns.
Unequivocally, salvation is 100% about what our Lord Jesus has done, is doing, and will do according to Scripture.
Therefore, without any equivocation of any kind, all honor and glory belong to our Lord Jesus, who is God over all to be forever praised by all of mankind who are His future eternal sons and daughters.
But, Hank's testimony consistently and continually for the 27 years that I have listened to the BAM puts forth a soteriological construct that depends on what a man does to be saved.
As for my testimony about salvation, I have been clear to denounce TULIP Calvinism.
It's foolish nonsense.
I have been clear to denounce the myriad of Armininianism sorteriological constructs.
They are all even more foolish nonsense.
I have denounced these inane hybrid approaches of trying to put forth these so-called non-works salvation constructs that require belief and faith as if a man can conjure either.
These soteriological constructs go beyond the nonsensical foolishness of the latter two major soteriological doctrines.
Clearly, and unequivocally, the salvation of mankind to be transformed into the Lord's eternal sons and daughters as revealed by Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:51-57 is all the sovereign will of our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus.
It's extraordinarily simple to understand.
But so many remain not only blind to what is plainly and easily understood. They even refuse to understand it.
Indeed, then, that is why the Lord Jesus will sovereignly change mankind as 1 Corinthians 15:51-57 declared...
Oh, one might sigh...
The irony of denying the Lord Jesus's eternal Gospel!
As to Hank, I reach out to Hank, who is my brother in Christ, in the hope of spurring him into holy thinking.
I am hopeful that just as he pivoted to Eastern Orthodoxy, he would pivot to publicly accept the eternal Gospel of our Lord Jesus.
But, as with everything going on in this perishing Creation, that is entirely up to the will of our Lord Jesus.
@dsp62122 Hank has excepted the eternal gospel of Jesus Christ. Challenge him
@@dsp62122 keeping faith is a work. You have constructed a false dichotomy. Praying the sinners prayer during an altar call is also a work.
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I agree.
You did not understand my post.