If u live in a ban state its east to go across state lines and buy regular mags. Untraceable just buy cash. Don't let the tyrants endange you with unconstitutional laws. It's our duty to defy them at all times.
I like your thinking when it comes to loading Underwood Xtreme penetrators for winter time carry. My 640 Pro is currently loaded with Underwood 158gr hard cast Keith +P's. However I do rotate them with the 140 grain Xtreme penetrator from time to time.
Have the same model. Use only Hornady 125gr. XTP 357 ammo-get a rush every time I shoot it. For reload, I carry Safariland Speedloader in belt holder. The most beautiful J Frame S&W has ever made.
Evan Pantazi I saw the bullet doesn't expand. With .357 magnum, that will not stop inside the target and could kill an innocent bystander plus real light loads like 86 gr. wear on a barrel's life-even in stainless steel. I treat this revolver like a delicate baby-so many years down the road it's as good as it was when I bought it. Glad you decided on the 640 Pro.
Yes I thought that as well, but watching gel ballistic testing they seem to penetrate the same. There are too many variables to say that a pass through (possible with any ammo) is inevitable or that it would damage anything else other than the assailant. As for wear and tear you may be correct, but I will not be practicing heavily with the ARX, too costly for that, so the possible wear and tear is not that disconcerting to me. Thanks for the comments!
Evan Pantazi Understand where you're coming from. When I was doing research, Massad Ayoob was the very best source for ammo, etc. Research this before switching ammo. There are several accounts of innocents being killed because the bullet didn't stop in the intended target. That's why the police and FBI shoot only hollow points and XTP bullets have been the longest, most proven in defense situations. A side note: ballistic gelatin will not help because it doesn't include fat, bone, and clothing.
I carry the standard 640 that I've put altamont combat grips on. Wolff spring kit action job. 110gr gold dot summer carry and 135gr critical duty for winter. Nice video
Great review, solid points. I've been tossing between an lcr and an sp101 for edc, but I think you just changed my mind. The sights, and lack of lock hole are crucial
Great Review... I Have BOTH The Ruger LCR In .38 & The S&W 442 PC In .38, No Problem's From Either One.. But My Home Defense Gun Is My Glock 26 With A G19 Mag With 16+1rds Of 9mm...
Excellent video, thanks for taking the time to post and provide additional answers. I just bought this gun today, traded a 2" 686 Plus. The 686 is just HUGE to carry, the 640 is perfect and has those incredible sights. Anyway, just wanted to say thanks. Ordered the APEX upgrade kit this evening...stock trigger is really heavy (but predictable). RJ
I have never owned a gun. But trust me. If I ever get one it will be a 6:42 or 6:40. The 642 definitely cause my attention because it is so light. I used to work at Smith & Wesson revolver assembly in Springfield Mass. Or even to 3:40. I know that 6:40 is a little heavy ish in the pocket
Xtreme Defender a better choice than Xtreme Penetrator for winter carry? Defender will throw a larger permanent wound cavity without penetrating too deeply, acting more like a well expanding hollow point from handguns. I'd personally consider the Penetrator to be better suited for game animals. Defender has more aggressive flute cuts for a wider shock throw in tissue.
I found so few tests and in 9mm, this one shows the standard HST, +P version and the Micro all about the same: ruclips.net/video/zYTd1lNx_TQ/видео.html thanks for the tip though, will continue to investigate.
Have you seen this? www.range365.com/federal-38-special-%2Bp-hst-micro-self-defense-ammo-coming-to-range I have fired the 9mm micro through my Kimber and they're very nice. Low recoil for a 150 gr. rd. Great expansion and accuracy. Picked up a box of the .38s but haven't shot them yet. My understanding is these rds. are for all short barrel firearms. Hope they're as good as the 9mm
That is not how to load a revolver. This is why you don't like so much moon-clips, or speed-loaders. You must hold your gun, open, with the fingers of your left hand securing the frame and cylinder. By doing this, you do not allow the cylinder to rotate when you're introducing 5 cartridges at once.
My EDC is a 10.8 oz S&W 342PD in the pocket, now if I were to upgrade to the 640 pro with a standard boot grip, how well do you think it would do in my pocket? Too heavy or doable?
I would think it too heavy for pocket, but depends on the pants I guess... for me not the best option... and it would need a wood grip instead of the crimson trace rubber... the rubber may be too sticky for a pocket. I have never felt comfortable with pocket carry, even with the Airweight 640-2. The 640 weighs more than double your 342PD, just food for thought.
Thanks for the reply. I once had an SP101 and that was too much for pocket carry, but the 640 pro might be doable like you say with wood grips. I think i'll go in the gun shop with my pocket holster and ask if I can give it a slip in my pocket for a second to see if I get too much sag or not.
I just added this 640 pro to my collection and I love it. I also have a 340 PD and 340 SC which are both dreams to carry in the pocket. You can actually carry the 640 pro in the pocket, with the factory grips they still conceal ok. Biggest issue is the weight. I only have a problem when not wearing a belt. Just make sure your pants won't fall off and if your pocket is big enough you'll be fine. I even carry it in jeans front pockets.
Thanks, yeah it’s my EDC especially for summer. So many folks get caught up on capacity, I prefer carrying for probability, this firearm is fantastic for most situations.
Accuracy with follow up shots (it is a small frame and I value accuracy over power) as well as less issues with sound and spit. If you are in a vehicle, elevator or staircase as example the sound will be severe compared to the .38+, the spit from the ammo will be less as well. However I did shoot .357 yesterday and love the feel and power (out of a 686 Pro). Thanks for the comment.
@@EvanPantazi good points. it's a good idea, when you go to the range, finish up with 5 rounds of .357. just to remind yourself it's doable if necessary.
@@davidkermes376 in my Chiapp’s Rhino it’s fine. Even in this gun, but for me it’s environment, when I’m outside it’s .357 with Penetrators. Inside or driving is the .38.
I love this gun...bought mine 10 years ago...It's better with the Hogue grip..believe me... One thing...If you carry this in the summer time..It gets heavy and hard to conceal....
And it' purty too. This grip is a bit long for my frame for easy summer carry,but it fits my hand so well. This summer I am using an Uncle Mikes holster to help it ride a bit better for lighter wear.
Really not as bad as I thought in the beginning, but the longer grip and full steel body keeps it easy enough. I have also shot a lot of the ARX poly ammo and that is very little kick compared to other .357.
It was a while ago, but I am thinking $850, then add $150 for the crimson trace grips.... let me know what you think after a round at the range. I love mine even with .357.
Amazing firearm. I have one set aside for me at my local shop. I have to say though. You may want to reconsider the Underwood extreme penetrators and get their extreme defense in +p. On my life (literally) you won't be disappointed with the penetration capabilities of the defense line. Their penetrator line however you just might. That thing just never stops. You'll be losing a lot of your energy placement on the intended target and may find that some of that energy gets spent on an innocent bystander behind them. You're already going to spend a pretty penny on a lawyer even if you're 100% in the right on a self defense case. If you accidentally shoot an innocent person the case will probably get a whole lot pricier regardless of the state you live in (you live in one with ten round capacity laws so you already know you've got a tough case ahead as is) Just my two cents.
I have already switched a bit, I am now carrying the ARX Poly in .357 mag and have the Extreme Penetrator in +P as the reload...only because I have not got around to picking them up in .357 yet. Once done I will carry the ARX still, but the reloads will be the Extreme Penetrators in .357 as well... cuz if you need to reload, you might as well sling nastier stuff at them.
Evan Pantazi man I'm really not trying to critique you to death I promise lol that being said, the reason I recommend against the penetrators is bc you will lose a lot of energy on the intended target due to over penetration. You want the energy to be dispersed inside the body. And I'd rethink the 357. 1. You're losing a lot of energy shooting it out of a two inch barrel. 2. The felt recoil from that 357 will still be there minus the full 357 results. 3. Due to point number 2, your follow up shots will be worse off 4. Assuming you're not wearing earplugs 24/7. When you shoot that two inch 357 while you're in your car or inside a confined space such as inside a room of a house or building you're going to wish you were dead. Trust me on this. My friend shot his four inch 357 from underneath a canopy outside in a fairly open area but forgot to put on ear protection and he permanently damaged his hearing....now think about your two inch inside a car. (Shorter = louder) Again man I'm not trying to undermine you or be a know it all. Just trying to look out for a fellow armed citizen. I hope you'll consider what I've mentioned.
No problem on the comments, keep them coming. I have seen many barrier and gel tests on the quick energy release they make and it seems darn large. Now the ARX has maybe less than the Penetrators or Defenders, but man the shoot so nice out of this 640 pro that I think all said they are a great choice of performance and stopping power.
Nice gun and I respect your thoughts, but I don't know of anyone ever in a gunfight that wished he had less bullets and also when a semi auto jams it's a quick tap, rack and bang. When a revolver jams, it really jams and locks up to the point that you might as well throw it at em and yes, revolvers do jam.
When most real situations involve 1-3, 5 is fine. Now that is just in suburbia, if I were collecting rents on my properties in the tough areas, more is better and why carrying both is best. But for normal travel, 5 is fine... jams, are all the luck of the draw however more favorable odds in a revolver for sure.
I bought the 640 for my wife's conceal carry piece. I had to order it. It arrived with a canted barrel and the cylinder was a bitch to open. I was very disappointed in the Smith and Wesson quality today.
Smith and Wesson quality has been going down lately. Meanwhile Taurus quality is steadily improving. I own 6 Taurus revolvers and 7 Smith and Wesson revolvers. Today's current Taurus revolvers are just about the same quality as a current Smith and Wesson revolver. It's very sad. My 686 Pro barrel is just off center enough to notice. And my Taurus revolver triggers are better than all but the said 686 Pro's trigger. Next time I buy a revolver it'll probably be a Colt.
Paul Schuckman I own a few S&W revolvers and 1 colt. All of them tried and true but they are all much older models. Certainly nothing new. I’ve been considering a 642 or 640 airweight recently for me and the wife both but I may consider the Taurus. Any other opinions out there to help me make up my mind?
@@MrJedi5150 Thanks for your thoughtful reply and I agree on some points you brought up. To answer a few, the shape of the gun and how I carry does retain in the hand to hand/firearm training I have done and do. We even train multiple attack scenarios under increasing stress loads. I have other holsters and the only thing this one is deficient in is maybe the fast or emergency reholster. I cant see that to be an issue though, as if it has to come out, it's staying out until that issue resolves and is no longer an emergency, even if used as a bludgeon. I have trained many Law Enforcement Officers in many departmental specialties from SWAT to Narcotics and more in several countries. But again thanks for the input and your service helping others.
@@MrJedi5150 I appreciate your feedback, if people only voiced their opinions as opposed to being contentious, it would be a far better learning experience. Anyway I am not an officer and do not face the same issues as yourself and compatriots. But all that aside the 640 pro is a great firearm, I hope it serves you as well as mine has for me.
Gotta say....although I like and prefer carrying a strip for reloads over moon clips or a speed loader, the reasoning you gave doesn’t make sense. If you carry with a moon clip in the cylinder initially, there’s no running for cover and just popping in a couple fresh rounds. You’re going to be reloading 5 no matter how many rounds you fired out of the moon clip.
I understand your reasoning as well and while all chambers will be empty after a ejection of spent shells, there are options you would not have with a speed loader. Plus the strip can carry 8, not just the 5. Good comment!
I agree with you that having more rounds is desirable, but at the same time I also think there is something to be said for using the gun (whatever gun that may be) with which you are most proficient when the shtf. If you shoot a five shot revolver better than anything else, and are most confident with it, then that ought to be the gun you grab when something goes bump in the night. This could be especially true in jurisdictions that have restrictions on high-cap magazines. Just a thought.
Well I also have a handy KelTec KSG with a tube of 6 buckshot loads and the other tube with slugs... one buckshot is chambered. However being awaken from a sound sleep is easier to grab the revolver with night sights and laser is a great lead. It also doesn’t shower the wife. Most people do not really consider their physical state, dexterity or eyesight when woken abruptly. And the easiest, safest way for me is the revolver leading to that bull pup.
This could work for home defense but any type of urban combat situation you’d be badly outgunned even with speed loaders. I recently read a situation where there were 30! Rounds fired. Thugs love high capacity guns. Better too many then not enough😐
When I travel to urban areas this is a back-up and I do carry a higher capacity, but for day to day and home this is sufficient for me. And at least I carry it daily, even through the heat of summer as it is far easier to accomplish.
I carry a revolver all the time. It is small, powerful, and concealable,and it should give me at least a chance to get to the AK in my truck, in case I need more rounds. Haha.
Here's the list. *I don't want any jams. -Even revolvers can break. *I'm gonna be in a close combat situation where a revolver will work more readily up against another body. -Knows for sure what kind of combat situation he'll be in. *I'm not going to be standing in one space fighting a person. -Again he knows for sure what the fight'll be like. But now it's running and gunning and not a grapple. *I can't have more than a 10rd mag in my state. -So he settles for 5rds. There's plenty of in-between options for both pistols and revolvers. *In-waistband is the quickest draw. -It most certainly isn't. I'm not saying don't use it, but open-carry is by far faster. You don't have to clear any garments *No lock so there'll be no malfunctions in the most dire circumstances. -The S&W lock is awful, but again, even revolvers break. *You never know what you'll be scrounging around for for ammunition. -You absolutely better know. If you're at the range, take time and look at what you're putting in. If you're carrying, you should make damn sure you know what's in there before leaving the house. *I prefer the strip for reloading versus speedloader or moon clip, better tactically. -Moonclips are faster and more reliable than rubber strips. Speed clip: Insert 2-3 rounds, strip up, rotate cylinder, insert remaining rounds, strip up, close cylinder, bang 5x, eject (maybe they all come out, maybe not). Moonclip: Insert 5 rounds, close cylinder, bang 5x, eject (almost certainly all of them). *Revolvers are better because you don't want spent shells falling on your spouse or person next to you. -I'm sure in a life&death situation, someone will get really mad if you save their life but they got thwacked in the shoulder with an ejected round. *Your eye-protection, you're not gonna need it. -if you're at the range, use eye protection no matter what. *Uses laser grips & night sights. -Why not laser grip for night time and fiber optic for day? *The laser's good because if you can't see fast enough or get glasses on fast enough, you still have the laser to show where the bad guy is. -if you can't see the nightsights or even the silhouette of the gun against your target, a laser isn't going to illuminate the bad guy at all. It's not a flashlight. It's a single point of light, and you can't get range or identification from that. -Uses moonclips in summer despite saying he prefers the strip earlier, and then immediately afterward. *I don't like the moonclips, because they take longer to load but they come out together as a unit which is nice, instead of individually. -moonclips and speedloaders load all the chambers at once, and there's no need to do any extraneous gestures as with the strips (jerking the strip up to dislodge the rounds) AND YOU DONT HAVE TO REPEAT THE PROCESS TO COMPLETELY RELOAD THE CYLINDER. *I carry 6 rounds in a strip even though it's a 5rd gun cuz I like having an extra rd. -why not just another strip of 5? *After two shots I'll hide behind a wall or dumpster or something. -I thought he was going to be grappling with his opponent...... *I could just carry an extra 5 but that'd be foolish. -so he's concerned with both having an 11th all or nothing round, and somehow also knows that he'll need it, by god. If he's that concerned with ammo capacity, he should carry a pistol with greater capacity. *If I'm going to be collecting rent in a poorer neighborhood, I know I'll be a target as the landlord. -sounds like an awful landlord if his tenants want to shoot him.
I’ve had two Glock 19s, and they both had a couple of jams in the time I owned them. Now, it was only 2 or 3 jams in 2-3k rounds, but it did happen, and it happened with good quality factory ammunition.
More expensive than the Kimber K6S and not as good. And that holster is complete rubbish. Sign up for a class from a reputable instructor and I'm sure he/she will lock you right on.
There's no one singular truth for anyone out here. Personally, I like this thing better than a Kimber because of the "pro" work put into it, the ability to use moon clips, the tritium sights and the balance. I find the Kimber to be blocky. And as of today it is less money than the Kimber out of the box. That said if you like the Kimber more power to you brah. Oh yeah, unlimited lifetime warranty to boot. Kimber gives you 1 year and it's on their site.
I disagree, build quality (track record) with Kimber has been atrocious the last 10-15 yrs. Price wise, both are comparable. Only positive I see is that it’s a 6-shot.
Sorry, not good without a hammer. Double action only is not good. Gotta have single action. Cannot understand how anyone could feel safe carrying that without having the ability to cock the action and not fire... Like pump action of a shotgun, or the sound of a rifle bolt or lever action or slide of a glock, that sound alone could prevent a killing, a INTRUDER MIGHT RUN. never get a gun like this, limiting your options...
Thanks for the opinion, you can stage the trigger well enough and lets face it I personally rather be a (Single Action) trigger pull away rather than a (Double Action) rack and trigger pull. But to each their own.
If you are in a defensive situation you are most certainly not going to have time for cocking the hammer for a single action type firing. It’s a silly notion to think your attacker is just going to hang around for you to do that?
That's the crown jewel of J-frames. The ability to use .357 Mag is a nice "flex-fuel" feature.
An excellent practical explanation of the virtues of a revolver and this particular model. Thank you for this video!
Thank you I’ve been researching a lot I’ve settled on the 640 pro your video helped me
If u live in a ban state its east to go across state lines and buy regular mags. Untraceable just buy cash. Don't let the tyrants endange you with unconstitutional laws. It's our duty to defy them at all times.
I like your thinking when it comes to loading Underwood Xtreme penetrators for winter time carry. My 640 Pro is currently loaded with Underwood 158gr hard cast Keith +P's. However I do rotate them with the 140 grain Xtreme penetrator from time to time.
Have the same model. Use only Hornady 125gr. XTP 357 ammo-get a rush every time I shoot it. For reload, I carry Safariland Speedloader in belt holder. The most beautiful J Frame S&W has ever made.
That is what I carry, but will be trying the ARX in .357 soon.
Evan Pantazi I saw the bullet doesn't expand. With .357 magnum, that will not stop inside the target and could kill an innocent bystander plus real light loads like 86 gr. wear on a barrel's life-even in stainless steel. I treat this revolver like a delicate baby-so many years down the road it's as good as it was when I bought it. Glad you decided on the 640 Pro.
Yes I thought that as well, but watching gel ballistic testing they seem to penetrate the same. There are too many variables to say that a pass through (possible with any ammo) is inevitable or that it would damage anything else other than the assailant. As for wear and tear you may be correct, but I will not be practicing heavily with the ARX, too costly for that, so the possible wear and tear is not that disconcerting to me. Thanks for the comments!
Evan Pantazi Understand where you're coming from. When I was doing research, Massad Ayoob was the very best source for ammo, etc. Research this before switching ammo. There are several accounts of innocents being killed because the bullet didn't stop in the intended target. That's why the police and FBI shoot only hollow points and XTP bullets have been the longest, most proven in defense situations. A side note: ballistic gelatin will not help because it doesn't include fat, bone, and clothing.
It amazes me how many folks have no idea how to reload a revolver properly
Picking mine up Saturday. It will be a companion to my Pre lock 686.
I lucked out on this as it also has no lock. Good luck with it!
I carry the standard 640 that I've put altamont combat grips on. Wolff spring kit action job. 110gr gold dot summer carry and 135gr critical duty for winter. Nice video
Critical duty all the time
Great review, thank you!
My pleasure! Thanks for subscribing.
Very well thought out.
Great review, solid points. I've been tossing between an lcr and an sp101 for edc, but I think you just changed my mind. The sights, and lack of lock hole are crucial
It is a solid piece and as an appendix carry, the lower profile design is far easier to carry... oh and a great shooter, even with .357.
awesome peace man I have a regular 640 and I love it the sights on the pro series would just be icing on the cake
Yes sir...but I am also looking at the Kimber K6, set for sites and a laser grip in the future, just gotta find one.
Liked your choices that you covered. well done
Great Review...
I Have BOTH The Ruger LCR
In .38 & The S&W 442 PC In .38,
No Problem's From Either One..
But My Home Defense Gun Is My
Glock 26 With A G19 Mag With
16+1rds Of 9mm...
Excellent video, thanks for taking the time to post and provide additional answers. I just bought this gun today, traded a 2" 686 Plus. The 686 is just HUGE to carry, the 640 is perfect and has those incredible sights. Anyway, just wanted to say thanks. Ordered the APEX upgrade kit this evening...stock trigger is really heavy (but predictable). RJ
Enjoy it sir...after you shoot it let us know your thoughts.
Awesome revolver!
I have never owned a gun. But trust me. If I ever get one it will be a 6:42 or 6:40. The 642 definitely cause my attention because it is so light. I used to work at Smith & Wesson revolver assembly in Springfield Mass. Or even to 3:40. I know that 6:40 is a little heavy ish in the pocket
I may try the 340 PD myself.
Wait, you used to work at S&W and you’ve never owned a gun, especially a S&W? Probably why you were told to leave…😂
Hey thanks for sharing 640 is one of my favorite revolvers! love them night sights sweet.
An all around good one for sure... thanks for dropping by.
Thanks for the comments, yes few revolvers I like better.
Well done Sir. Thank you for posting/sharing.
Greatly appreciated, first film on firearms.
I love that gun! Want to get one soon
It has served me well... this one I will pass down as it is a classic!
Best ever❤
Xtreme Defender a better choice than Xtreme Penetrator for winter carry? Defender will throw a larger permanent wound cavity without penetrating too deeply, acting more like a well expanding hollow point from handguns. I'd personally consider the Penetrator to be better suited for game animals. Defender has more aggressive flute cuts for a wider shock throw in tissue.
Thanks for the comment, good thoughts.
@@EvanPantazi Lehigh is quite the innovative company. You're welcome.
I switched from the airweight to this for my backup at work. I shoot this one so much better.
It is a nice shooter for sure, funny I switched from an 642 airweight as well.
Saw a very recent post on the S&W Forum about an internal lock activating under recoil on a steel frame 5 shot .38.
Thanks for the feedback sir, luckily this one doesn't have that lock!
the hillary lock can be deactivated. several sites on youtube.
Have you tried the new federal .38 micro rds?
No actually never heard of them, but I will research them now... thanks.
I found so few tests and in 9mm, this one shows the standard HST, +P version and the Micro all about the same: ruclips.net/video/zYTd1lNx_TQ/видео.html thanks for the tip though, will continue to investigate.
Have you seen this? www.range365.com/federal-38-special-%2Bp-hst-micro-self-defense-ammo-coming-to-range I have fired the 9mm micro through my Kimber and they're very nice. Low recoil for a 150 gr. rd. Great expansion and accuracy. Picked up a box of the .38s but haven't shot them yet. My understanding is these rds. are for all short barrel firearms. Hope they're as good as the 9mm
Yes I read bunch of articles on it this morning, just saw a few videos.
That is not how to load a revolver. This is why you don't like so much moon-clips, or speed-loaders. You must hold your gun, open, with the fingers of your left hand securing the frame and cylinder. By doing this, you do not allow the cylinder to rotate when you're introducing 5 cartridges at once.
Who are you again?
He is someone who knows how to reload a revolver
My EDC is a 10.8 oz S&W 342PD in the pocket, now if I were to upgrade to the 640 pro with a standard boot grip, how well do you think it would do in my pocket? Too heavy or doable?
I would think it too heavy for pocket, but depends on the pants I guess... for me not the best option... and it would need a wood grip instead of the crimson trace rubber... the rubber may be too sticky for a pocket. I have never felt comfortable with pocket carry, even with the Airweight 640-2. The 640 weighs more than double your 342PD, just food for thought.
Thanks for the reply. I once had an SP101 and that was too much for pocket carry, but the 640 pro might be doable like you say with wood grips. I think i'll go in the gun shop with my pocket holster and ask if I can give it a slip in my pocket for a second to see if I get too much sag or not.
That's what the comment section is about... The weight and size of the SP 101 will be similar to the 640 pro (which is just a bit slimmer).
I just added this 640 pro to my collection and I love it. I also have a 340 PD and 340 SC which are both dreams to carry in the pocket. You can actually carry the 640 pro in the pocket, with the factory grips they still conceal ok. Biggest issue is the weight. I only have a problem when not wearing a belt. Just make sure your pants won't fall off and if your pocket is big enough you'll be fine. I even carry it in jeans front pockets.
I HAVE THE OLDER 640 @ I LOVE IT 👍👍👍👍👍
Great gun. Good review
Thanks, yeah it’s my EDC especially for summer. So many folks get caught up on capacity, I prefer carrying for probability, this firearm is fantastic for most situations.
Just curious as to why you would carry 38+p instead of 357 for personal defense would like to know your thoughts on it thanks great video!
Accuracy with follow up shots (it is a small frame and I value accuracy over power) as well as less issues with sound and spit. If you are in a vehicle, elevator or staircase as example the sound will be severe compared to the .38+, the spit from the ammo will be less as well. However I did shoot .357 yesterday and love the feel and power (out of a 686 Pro). Thanks for the comment.
@@EvanPantazi good points. it's a good idea, when you go to the range, finish up with 5 rounds of .357. just to remind yourself it's doable if necessary.
@@davidkermes376 in my Chiapp’s Rhino it’s fine. Even in this gun, but for me it’s environment, when I’m outside it’s .357 with Penetrators. Inside or driving is the .38.
What crimson trace laser grip is that? I'm trying to find it for my 640 pro as well
www.crimsontrace.com/products/platform/lasergrips/01-1150
Great Video...
PRICE ???
At the time around 800 without the laser grips.
@@EvanPantazi
THANK's For The Info...
I love this gun...bought mine 10 years ago...It's better with the Hogue grip..believe me... One thing...If you carry this in the summer time..It gets heavy and hard to conceal....
And it' purty too. This grip is a bit long for my frame for easy summer carry,but it fits my hand so well. This summer I am using an Uncle Mikes holster to help it ride a bit better for lighter wear.
How do you pluck out 2 rounds when you have your ammo loaded in a moon clip 🤔
Umm... don't use the moon clip option.
You don’t! But with only five rounds you won’t have to worry about that because you’ll be dumping all five rounds into the perp!
Was the barrel completely straight?
Sure seems to be, right on target.
Evan Pantazi what holster do you use for the 640?
I wish he would have shown how to load from the speed strip !
That's a beautiful gun. I own a S&W 686 w/6" barrel but I can't help but think that yours kicks like a mule.
Really not as bad as I thought in the beginning, but the longer grip and full steel body keeps it easy enough. I have also shot a lot of the ARX poly ammo and that is very little kick compared to other .357.
@@EvanPantazi at any rate, a VERY nice gun sir!
The 640 is about 8 ounces heavier than a 642.
Yes sir, but it depends on how you carry how much heavier it feels.
What happened to the Rhino, Sir?
Nothing happened to it, still have it and use it.
Too ugly to carry.
@@williamryan7403 That's funny, but when it is concealed carry it don't much matter. All barrels look the same "Bigger than they are"
Did you get that holster from Walmart?
You should research these “Elite” brand IWB holsters, the last decades.
Just picked this one up how much did you pay for yours?
It was a while ago, but I am thinking $850, then add $150 for the crimson trace grips.... let me know what you think after a round at the range. I love mine even with .357.
Nice gun, just got the Pro series myself. Personally I don’t like the moon clips, you can’t perform tactical reloads.
I think if you are one to one or two,they are fine or even if you are doing a dump to run to cover, then refill... hope to never be there.
I love j frames, but they’re probably my last choice for a bedside home defense gun…
How could you reload 2 of 5 in the dark under stress w/ a revolver ?
I am familiar w/ revolvers.
BTW, thanks for not boring me with specs.
By feel, just as one would with a speedloader. But after trying without the stress in no light practice, the strip was far easier.
@@robbyrobrob1 sorry, I travel a lot and missed this... but everyone knows the specs on any gun they want or own, why rehash!
That thing is sharp but heavy.
Yeah but it carries well so the weight is not noticeable.
Great video great gun
Amazing firearm. I have one set aside for me at my local shop. I have to say though. You may want to reconsider the Underwood extreme penetrators and get their extreme defense in +p. On my life (literally) you won't be disappointed with the penetration capabilities of the defense line. Their penetrator line however you just might. That thing just never stops. You'll be losing a lot of your energy placement on the intended target and may find that some of that energy gets spent on an innocent bystander behind them. You're already going to spend a pretty penny on a lawyer even if you're 100% in the right on a self defense case. If you accidentally shoot an innocent person the case will probably get a whole lot pricier regardless of the state you live in (you live in one with ten round capacity laws so you already know you've got a tough case ahead as is)
Just my two cents.
I have already switched a bit, I am now carrying the ARX Poly in .357 mag and have the Extreme Penetrator in +P as the reload...only because I have not got around to picking them up in .357 yet. Once done I will carry the ARX still, but the reloads will be the Extreme Penetrators in .357 as well... cuz if you need to reload, you might as well sling nastier stuff at them.
Evan Pantazi man I'm really not trying to critique you to death I promise lol that being said, the reason I recommend against the penetrators is bc you will lose a lot of energy on the intended target due to over penetration. You want the energy to be dispersed inside the body.
And I'd rethink the 357.
1. You're losing a lot of energy shooting it out of a two inch barrel.
2. The felt recoil from that 357 will still be there minus the full 357 results.
3. Due to point number 2, your follow up shots will be worse off
4. Assuming you're not wearing earplugs 24/7. When you shoot that two inch 357 while you're in your car or inside a confined space such as inside a room of a house or building you're going to wish you were dead. Trust me on this. My friend shot his four inch 357 from underneath a canopy outside in a fairly open area but forgot to put on ear protection and he permanently damaged his hearing....now think about your two inch inside a car. (Shorter = louder)
Again man I'm not trying to undermine you or be a know it all. Just trying to look out for a fellow armed citizen. I hope you'll consider what I've mentioned.
No problem on the comments, keep them coming. I have seen many barrier and gel tests on the quick energy release they make and it seems darn large. Now the ARX has maybe less than the Penetrators or Defenders, but man the shoot so nice out of this 640 pro that I think all said they are a great choice of performance and stopping power.
I prefer the 642 simply because its lighter.
I carried one for about 5 years, in the beginning the extra weight was noticeable, but not anymore. But the 642 was a great shooter.
I think so as my 642 with +P kicks more than this with magnums.
Nice gun and I respect your thoughts, but I don't know of anyone ever in a gunfight that wished he had less bullets and also when a semi auto jams it's a quick tap, rack and bang. When a revolver jams, it really jams and locks up to the point that you might as well throw it at em and yes, revolvers do jam.
When most real situations involve 1-3, 5 is fine. Now that is just in suburbia, if I were collecting rents on my properties in the tough areas, more is better and why carrying both is best. But for normal travel, 5 is fine... jams, are all the luck of the draw however more favorable odds in a revolver for sure.
If you use good ammunition,keep it clean you probably won’t have any problems still good to know tap roll rack
@@williambarnes4612 Yeah I get that been doing just that on many carry pieces. It all depends on the situation, destination and anticipation.
Louie Stepanek you can shoot this in a pocket.
@@denniskapczynski562 Yes you can... it is a great winter carry.
I thought this came with a good trigger, isn't that what the Performance Center does???
This is a "Pro" so I guess there are little differences. But the trigger was an excellent upgrade. I did it to my wife's 640-2 as well.
I bought the 640 for my wife's conceal carry piece. I had to order it. It arrived with a canted barrel and the cylinder was a bitch to open. I was very disappointed in the Smith and Wesson quality today.
Bummer, mine is great.
Harry I'm hearing this a lot recently.
I own 4 Smith & Wesson revolvers, all fine... considering another one.
Smith and Wesson quality has been going down lately. Meanwhile Taurus quality is steadily improving. I own 6 Taurus revolvers and 7 Smith and Wesson revolvers. Today's current Taurus revolvers are just about the same quality as a current Smith and Wesson revolver. It's very sad. My 686 Pro barrel is just off center enough to notice. And my Taurus revolver triggers are better than all but the said 686 Pro's trigger. Next time I buy a revolver it'll probably be a Colt.
Paul Schuckman I own a few S&W revolvers and 1 colt. All of them tried and true but they are all much older models. Certainly nothing new. I’ve been considering a 642 or 640 airweight recently for me and the wife both but I may consider the Taurus. Any other opinions out there to help me make up my mind?
$800 gun... $8 holster... please fix that
It's all in the utility, not the price sir... for me this works for close combatives I train.
@@MrJedi5150 Thanks for your thoughtful reply and I agree on some points you brought up. To answer a few, the shape of the gun and how I carry does retain in the hand to hand/firearm training I have done and do. We even train multiple attack scenarios under increasing stress loads. I have other holsters and the only thing this one is deficient in is maybe the fast or emergency reholster. I cant see that to be an issue though, as if it has to come out, it's staying out until that issue resolves and is no longer an emergency, even if used as a bludgeon. I have trained many Law Enforcement Officers in many departmental specialties from SWAT to Narcotics and more in several countries. But again thanks for the input and your service helping others.
@@MrJedi5150 I appreciate your feedback, if people only voiced their opinions as opposed to being contentious, it would be a far better learning experience. Anyway I am not an officer and do not face the same issues as yourself and compatriots. But all that aside the 640 pro is a great firearm, I hope it serves you as well as mine has for me.
think that's bad ? i use a clip grip and hook it over a belt. works great!
Gotta say....although I like and prefer carrying a strip for reloads over moon clips or a speed loader, the reasoning you gave doesn’t make sense. If you carry with a moon clip in the cylinder initially, there’s no running for cover and just popping in a couple fresh rounds. You’re going to be reloading 5 no matter how many rounds you fired out of the moon clip.
I understand your reasoning as well and while all chambers will be empty after a ejection of spent shells, there are options you would not have with a speed loader. Plus the strip can carry 8, not just the 5. Good comment!
Why use a 5 shot revolver for home defense when there are higher capacity guns.
I agree with you that having more rounds is desirable, but at the same time I also think there is something to be said for using the gun (whatever gun that may be) with which you are most proficient when the shtf. If you shoot a five shot revolver better than anything else, and are most confident with it, then that ought to be the gun you grab when something goes bump in the night. This could be especially true in jurisdictions that have restrictions on high-cap magazines. Just a thought.
Well I also have a handy KelTec KSG with a tube of 6 buckshot loads and the other tube with slugs... one buckshot is chambered.
However being awaken from a sound sleep is easier to grab the revolver with night sights and laser is a great lead. It also doesn’t shower the wife.
Most people do not really consider their physical state, dexterity or eyesight when woken abruptly.
And the easiest, safest way for me is the revolver leading to that bull pup.
This could work for home defense but any type of urban combat situation you’d be badly outgunned even with speed loaders. I recently read a situation where there were 30! Rounds fired. Thugs love high capacity guns. Better too many then not enough😐
When I travel to urban areas this is a back-up and I do carry a higher capacity, but for day to day and home this is sufficient for me. And at least I carry it daily, even through the heat of summer as it is far easier to accomplish.
@@Colt-ii4qn 30 rounds???! Damn, someone had a bad day.
Ok
I carry a revolver all the time. It is small, powerful, and concealable,and it should give me at least a chance to get to the AK in my truck, in case I need more rounds. Haha.
These days for sure.
@@EvanPantazi amen Brother. Sad to say.
@@EvanPantazi excellent review, Sir. I just bought one of these. I have several revolvers, but I didn't have a j frame 357.
Please buy a decent holster.
For light summer carry this one is perfect.
Ilike u
Too much talk less action.
You Missed the last video before comment... may we also see your theory in action?
This video made me so mad.
Here's the list.
*I don't want any jams.
-Even revolvers can break.
*I'm gonna be in a close combat situation where a revolver will work more readily up against another body.
-Knows for sure what kind of combat situation he'll be in.
*I'm not going to be standing in one space fighting a person.
-Again he knows for sure what the fight'll be like. But now it's running and gunning and not a grapple.
*I can't have more than a 10rd mag in my state.
-So he settles for 5rds. There's plenty of in-between options for both pistols and revolvers.
*In-waistband is the quickest draw.
-It most certainly isn't. I'm not saying don't use it, but open-carry is by far faster. You don't have to clear any garments
*No lock so there'll be no malfunctions in the most dire circumstances.
-The S&W lock is awful, but again, even revolvers break.
*You never know what you'll be scrounging around for for ammunition.
-You absolutely better know. If you're at the range, take time and look at what you're putting in. If you're carrying, you should make damn sure you know what's in there before leaving the house.
*I prefer the strip for reloading versus speedloader or moon clip, better tactically.
-Moonclips are faster and more reliable than rubber strips.
Speed clip:
Insert 2-3 rounds, strip up, rotate cylinder, insert remaining rounds, strip up, close cylinder, bang 5x, eject (maybe they all come out, maybe not).
Moonclip:
Insert 5 rounds, close cylinder, bang 5x, eject (almost certainly all of them).
*Revolvers are better because you don't want spent shells falling on your spouse or person next to you.
-I'm sure in a life&death situation, someone will get really mad if you save their life but they got thwacked in the shoulder with an ejected round.
*Your eye-protection, you're not gonna need it.
-if you're at the range, use eye protection no matter what.
*Uses laser grips & night sights.
-Why not laser grip for night time and fiber optic for day?
*The laser's good because if you can't see fast enough or get glasses on fast enough, you still have the laser to show where the bad guy is.
-if you can't see the nightsights or even the silhouette of the gun against your target, a laser isn't going to illuminate the bad guy at all. It's not a flashlight. It's a single point of light, and you can't get range or identification from that.
-Uses moonclips in summer despite saying he prefers the strip earlier, and then immediately afterward.
*I don't like the moonclips, because they take longer to load but they come out together as a unit which is nice, instead of individually.
-moonclips and speedloaders load all the chambers at once, and there's no need to do any extraneous gestures as with the strips (jerking the strip up to dislodge the rounds) AND YOU DONT HAVE TO REPEAT THE PROCESS TO COMPLETELY RELOAD THE CYLINDER.
*I carry 6 rounds in a strip even though it's a 5rd gun cuz I like having an extra rd.
-why not just another strip of 5?
*After two shots I'll hide behind a wall or dumpster or something.
-I thought he was going to be grappling with his opponent......
*I could just carry an extra 5 but that'd be foolish.
-so he's concerned with both having an 11th all or nothing round, and somehow also knows that he'll need it, by god. If he's that concerned with ammo capacity, he should carry a pistol with greater capacity.
*If I'm going to be collecting rent in a poorer neighborhood, I know I'll be a target as the landlord.
-sounds like an awful landlord if his tenants want to shoot him.
Glocks don't jam.
If the slide is compressed, they will... I own Glocks.
The hell the won't
He seems to be referring to contact shots, where an auto will come out of battery.
Jeffrey Pearl
Nonsense, any mechanical system can jam. Glocks are no exception.
I’ve had two Glock 19s, and they both had a couple of jams in the time I owned them. Now, it was only 2 or 3 jams in 2-3k rounds, but it did happen, and it happened with good quality factory ammunition.
More expensive than the Kimber K6S and not as good. And that holster is complete rubbish. Sign up for a class from a reputable instructor and I'm sure he/she will lock you right on.
There's no one singular truth for anyone out here. Personally, I like this thing better than a Kimber because of the "pro" work put into it, the ability to use moon clips, the tritium sights and the balance. I find the Kimber to be blocky. And as of today it is less money than the Kimber out of the box. That said if you like the Kimber more power to you brah. Oh yeah, unlimited lifetime warranty to boot. Kimber gives you 1 year and it's on their site.
I disagree, build quality (track record) with Kimber has been atrocious the last 10-15 yrs. Price wise, both are comparable. Only positive I see is that it’s a 6-shot.
I'd pick s&w over the kimber anyday. How long has kimber been making revolvers?
The k6 is garbage
In my area since Bidenomics the k6s is over a $1000 I have seen this smith and Wesson under $800
Sorry, not good without a hammer. Double action only is not good. Gotta have single action. Cannot understand how anyone could feel safe carrying that without having the ability to cock the action and not fire... Like pump action of a shotgun, or the sound of a rifle bolt or lever action or slide of a glock, that sound alone could prevent a killing, a INTRUDER MIGHT RUN. never get a gun like this, limiting your options...
Thanks for the opinion, you can stage the trigger well enough and lets face it I personally rather be a (Single Action) trigger pull away rather than a (Double Action) rack and trigger pull. But to each their own.
Cocking the hammer not a good idea in a self defense shooting. Land you in the bar motel.
wow!! stop getting your info from watching Hollywood movies and stop giving advice!
Why would you give an intruder a heads up where you are hiding? Keep quiet and get the drop on him will reduce your chances of getting killed.
If you are in a defensive situation you are most certainly not going to have time for cocking the hammer for a single action type firing. It’s a silly notion to think your attacker is just going to hang around for you to do that?