I've watched like 4 different people play Thor now and istg every single one of them has played him differently (which is a great thing for the hero I love that you can lean into many different aspects of his kit!!). The big playstyles I see emerging are prioritizing different abilities of his; - maximizing awakening uptime (best dps, lowest survivability as you can't use abilities during or cancel awakening to get more bonus health after the 200 it gives you) - combo'ing 3 swings into a hammer throw (consistient melee dps, good survivability but melee means you have to be careful) - combo'ing 3 swings into a 0 charge dash to just constantly shove around and bully enemies (decent dps, huge disruption/control, decent survivability if you're smart or can keep LOS on your Strategists/Supports) - kinda combining all of them and using each ability when it makes sense to use them (most common, probably good to be able to adapt playstyle as needed as people get better at him/the game) _(I'm 1000% sure there's more than these, he's just only been out for like 3-4 days but these are the dominant approaches to using his kit I've seen so far)_ the dash bullying playstyle is probably the best way to use him (possibly overtuned but we'll see), although if you aren't spamming his dash off cooldown he can feel very clunky and slow and I hope they improve his QoL (buffed base movement speed/faster with more Thorforce/after the AOE or whatever way makes sense, faster movement speed while charging up the dash or during the ult, perhaps lowering the global cooldown to 0.75, etc. and if the dash is overtuned maybe make it cost 2 Thorforce and/or shift some of the distance/damage from the uncharged dash towards the fully charged dash)
@@olegdusov4273wrong. Awakened thor is trash. Charge spamming is the most effecient way to play him while maximizing damage and survivability. I love when Im going against awakened thors. They get bullied hard and barely break through my shield.
@@Tonytaru good for you stomping noobs left and right. I play vs punisher + star lord or whatever range spam is easy enough to play, my shield gets blown to pieces either way I kill supports or dps in awakened state, no idea why would u duel a thor instead. "maximizing damage" haha, on a tank's ass I suppose, you would deal 0 dmg to flyers, racoons and other infinite escape shit this game provides on high level play. Average lvl punisher would also 3 shot ur ass in ur 2 sec gcd window, go bully some more newbies in quick play, dont tell me tales.
I've been enjoying Thor a lot. I do think they could do with letting him cancel awakening to try to shift out of combat faster if an engage turns south though. The whole GCD on his abilities, imo, makes him a little clunky at times, but when he works man does he work.
I think it could be an interesting balance for the character to make him highly committal but highly rewarding. He has to pick his spots carefully and can have trouble escaping if he misjudges the situation, but he can absolutely tear through a team that isn't prepared to stop him.
You are one of the OGs. Shadow of War really takes me back. I wish Monolith kept producing them, but currently they're working on a Wonder Woman game that's been in production for over 6 years now.
Haven’t seen the video yet, just gonna leave this here since I did some experimenting with him for like an hour in the Practice Range before using him in-game 😂 Hammer Throw (or Bonk as I call it) is your highest damage ability besides your Ultimate, it deals 70 damage on a successful hit, and only 30 damage on the return, so going for trick shots with the return is more of a novelty Your Primary swing hitbox has the same distance as the Quick Melee for all non-melee Heroes (except Groot’s 3rd melee attack in his chain because that’s a unique ground slam), and the hitbox originates from your Hero’s body, so rather than aiming with your crosshair, try to center your Hero’s body with your target and then aim with a bias to the left. If you use your crosshair to align your melee attacks, the hitbox will be to the left of your target and you won’t get the most out of the effective range. Same logic applies to Spidey and Black Panther. Bonk and Charge generate 100 Overhealth regardless of whether you land the hit. You can just chuck the hammer at nothing to generate Overhealth in a pinch. Your maximum possible Overhealth is 200, for a total health pool of 800 at full health, unless you have a Hela on your team, who can grant you an additional maximum of 100 Overhealth for a total of 900. Overhealth granted by Hela does not decay, it has to be removed by damage. Overhealth generated by Thor’s abilities decays after 3 seconds at a rate of 7 per tick, and about 2 ticks per second. Activating another ability will pause the decay and reset the timer. Your abilities have a shared cooldown of 2 seconds, so in theory, you can have a constant supply of Overhealth by managing the timing of your casts. Your charge deals 60 damage on succesful impact, so the ideal damage combo to take out a 250 health target is Charge - Swing Swing Swing - Bonk An additional swing after a succesful Bonk will take out a 300 health target, and this timing is all within the 2 second cooldown window. The Charge hitbox is also a bit finnicky on sloped surfaces sometimes, because the change in terrain will make the game think that you traveled further than you actually did, so the charge ends prematurely and doesn’t make contact with the target. Charge also doesn’t register damage within the last half second or so of the animation, so although a target may be within maximum range of the Charge, the Charge won’t make contact at the very maximum distance, and you need to accommodate by moving closer to the target first. Charge also slows your movement while…eh…charging up, so casting it in the heat of a fight will make you more vulnerable. Awakened can fire a max of 10 arcs in its duration if you spam your Primary Fire. Each arc has a misleading hitbox, if you hit a target with the edge of the arc rather than the center, it won’t inflict any damage, so accuracy is important. Each arc deals (if I remember correctly) 45 damage, so you can theoretically kill two 300 health targets in a single activation if you land every shot and the targets receive no healing. Awakened also incurs the universal cooldown after its duration ends, so you can’t immediately activate Dome and then Awakened again back to back, which makes positioning during Awakened crucial to your survival. Once it’s over, you have no mobility for two seconds. Awakened lasts for 5 seconds, but your Overhealth still begins to decay after 3 seconds, and you can’t cast any other abilities to get it back, so you become more vulnerable towards the end of the ability duration. Your ultimate unleashes 5 ticks of lightning before the slam that each inflict 40 damage, for a total of 200, then the slam itself deals 220 damage, for a hypothetical total of 420 damage. The area of effect also has a ceiling that stops at Thor, so if you want the lightning to hit an airborne target, you have to be at or above the height of the target. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk 😎
The aiming with the hero’s body over the reticle helps so much I felt like I was going insane missing charges that look like they should’ve hit. Also hitting an airborne enemy with the charge is impossible like it stops right in front of them sometimes? Hopefully when this game is fully out he’s more polished Thor has been my fav character in the game
@@z1ondwsn99 Thor, Magik, Spidey and Panther all have an optional settings that’s toggled On by default, Show Attack Range, which highlights an enemy when your melee attack is going to land. You can experiment with that in the Practice Range to get a feel for the hitbox of each Hero’s attacks, Panther and Thor have pretty similar hitboxes, and they’re smaller than any other melee Hero. And yeah the charge thing is a pain. Balance changes were made between the Alpha and the Beta, so I imagine tweaks will be made as necessary as the game carries on.
Yeah I used to use venom but switched to thor because of his survivability and range and mobility plus he can just abduct characters and push them off the map or in a corner while healing himself. Totally not broken at all.
Yep totally fine considering Punisher can melt most characters in under a second and Hela can still 1-2 tap any character. A little shove between friends is totally fine.
Lol thor is actually not broken lol and he can't compare to venom. Venom is a more valuable tank than thor my man. Venom will always be torturing healers and dps alike in and out faster than thor more survivability than thor.
I got a code on PS5, but I play aiming games on PC. After puking at my god awful aim for a couple rounds I found Thor. I mained Orissa in OW2 and Thor has some similar qualities! The charge and spinning spear move for peeling someone away from the group and the hammer throw and spear throw are a similar feel. Big fan of Thor so far.
I've watched like 4 different people play Thor now and istg every single one of them has played him differently (which is a great thing for the hero I love that you can lean into many different aspects of his kit!!). The big playstyles I see emerging are prioritizing different abilities of his;
- maximizing awakening uptime (best dps, lowest survivability as you can't use abilities during or cancel awakening to get more bonus health after the 200 it gives you)
- combo'ing 3 swings into a hammer throw (consistient melee dps, good survivability but melee means you have to be careful)
- combo'ing 3 swings into a 0 charge dash to just constantly shove around and bully enemies (decent dps, huge disruption/control, decent survivability if you're smart or can keep LOS on your Strategists/Supports)
- kinda combining all of them and using each ability when it makes sense to use them (most common, probably good to be able to adapt playstyle as needed as people get better at him/the game)
_(I'm 1000% sure there's more than these, he's just only been out for like 3-4 days but these are the dominant approaches to using his kit I've seen so far)_
the dash bullying playstyle is probably the best way to use him (possibly overtuned but we'll see), although if you aren't spamming his dash off cooldown he can feel very clunky and slow and I hope they improve his QoL (buffed base movement speed/faster with more Thorforce/after the AOE or whatever way makes sense, faster movement speed while charging up the dash or during the ult, perhaps lowering the global cooldown to 0.75, etc. and if the dash is overtuned maybe make it cost 2 Thorforce and/or shift some of the distance/damage from the uncharged dash towards the fully charged dash)
Awakening gives you 200hp, lasts 4 sec +2s gcd, you loose 100hp and get a ton of dmg and range
Thor without awakening is useless most of the time
@@olegdusov4273wrong. Awakened thor is trash. Charge spamming is the most effecient way to play him while maximizing damage and survivability. I love when Im going against awakened thors. They get bullied hard and barely break through my shield.
@@Tonytaru good for you stomping noobs left and right.
I play vs punisher + star lord or whatever range spam is easy enough to play, my shield gets blown to pieces either way
I kill supports or dps in awakened state, no idea why would u duel a thor instead.
"maximizing damage" haha, on a tank's ass I suppose, you would deal 0 dmg to flyers, racoons and other infinite escape shit this game provides on high level play. Average lvl punisher would also 3 shot ur ass in ur 2 sec gcd window, go bully some more newbies in quick play, dont tell me tales.
I've been enjoying Thor a lot. I do think they could do with letting him cancel awakening to try to shift out of combat faster if an engage turns south though. The whole GCD on his abilities, imo, makes him a little clunky at times, but when he works man does he work.
I think it could be an interesting balance for the character to make him highly committal but highly rewarding. He has to pick his spots carefully and can have trouble escaping if he misjudges the situation, but he can absolutely tear through a team that isn't prepared to stop him.
"Disrupting the enemy team by ENDING THEIR LIVES!!"
The most pure form of control
@@Dantics Agreed
Hey man, fan since the Shadow of War Battle pit days! I think Marvel rivals will be a great boon for the channel, glad to see you still at it!
You are one of the OGs. Shadow of War really takes me back. I wish Monolith kept producing them, but currently they're working on a Wonder Woman game that's been in production for over 6 years now.
Haven’t seen the video yet, just gonna leave this here since I did some experimenting with him for like an hour in the Practice Range before using him in-game 😂
Hammer Throw (or Bonk as I call it) is your highest damage ability besides your Ultimate, it deals 70 damage on a successful hit, and only 30 damage on the return, so going for trick shots with the return is more of a novelty
Your Primary swing hitbox has the same distance as the Quick Melee for all non-melee Heroes (except Groot’s 3rd melee attack in his chain because that’s a unique ground slam), and the hitbox originates from your Hero’s body, so rather than aiming with your crosshair, try to center your Hero’s body with your target and then aim with a bias to the left. If you use your crosshair to align your melee attacks, the hitbox will be to the left of your target and you won’t get the most out of the effective range. Same logic applies to Spidey and Black Panther.
Bonk and Charge generate 100 Overhealth regardless of whether you land the hit. You can just chuck the hammer at nothing to generate Overhealth in a pinch. Your maximum possible Overhealth is 200, for a total health pool of 800 at full health, unless you have a Hela on your team, who can grant you an additional maximum of 100 Overhealth for a total of 900. Overhealth granted by Hela does not decay, it has to be removed by damage. Overhealth generated by Thor’s abilities decays after 3 seconds at a rate of 7 per tick, and about 2 ticks per second. Activating another ability will pause the decay and reset the timer. Your abilities have a shared cooldown of 2 seconds, so in theory, you can have a constant supply of Overhealth by managing the timing of your casts.
Your charge deals 60 damage on succesful impact, so the ideal damage combo to take out a 250 health target is Charge - Swing Swing Swing - Bonk
An additional swing after a succesful Bonk will take out a 300 health target, and this timing is all within the 2 second cooldown window. The Charge hitbox is also a bit finnicky on sloped surfaces sometimes, because the change in terrain will make the game think that you traveled further than you actually did, so the charge ends prematurely and doesn’t make contact with the target. Charge also doesn’t register damage within the last half second or so of the animation, so although a target may be within maximum range of the Charge, the Charge won’t make contact at the very maximum distance, and you need to accommodate by moving closer to the target first. Charge also slows your movement while…eh…charging up, so casting it in the heat of a fight will make you more vulnerable.
Awakened can fire a max of 10 arcs in its duration if you spam your Primary Fire. Each arc has a misleading hitbox, if you hit a target with the edge of the arc rather than the center, it won’t inflict any damage, so accuracy is important. Each arc deals (if I remember correctly) 45 damage, so you can theoretically kill two 300 health targets in a single activation if you land every shot and the targets receive no healing.
Awakened also incurs the universal cooldown after its duration ends, so you can’t immediately activate Dome and then Awakened again back to back, which makes positioning during Awakened crucial to your survival. Once it’s over, you have no mobility for two seconds.
Awakened lasts for 5 seconds, but your Overhealth still begins to decay after 3 seconds, and you can’t cast any other abilities to get it back, so you become more vulnerable towards the end of the ability duration.
Your ultimate unleashes 5 ticks of lightning before the slam that each inflict 40 damage, for a total of 200, then the slam itself deals 220 damage, for a hypothetical total of 420 damage. The area of effect also has a ceiling that stops at Thor, so if you want the lightning to hit an airborne target, you have to be at or above the height of the target.
Thank you for coming to my TED Talk 😎
The aiming with the hero’s body over the reticle helps so much I felt like I was going insane missing charges that look like they should’ve hit. Also hitting an airborne enemy with the charge is impossible like it stops right in front of them sometimes? Hopefully when this game is fully out he’s more polished Thor has been my fav character in the game
@@z1ondwsn99
Thor, Magik, Spidey and Panther all have an optional settings that’s toggled On by default, Show Attack Range, which highlights an enemy when your melee attack is going to land. You can experiment with that in the Practice Range to get a feel for the hitbox of each Hero’s attacks, Panther and Thor have pretty similar hitboxes, and they’re smaller than any other melee Hero.
And yeah the charge thing is a pain. Balance changes were made between the Alpha and the Beta, so I imagine tweaks will be made as necessary as the game carries on.
Yeah I used to use venom but switched to thor because of his survivability and range and mobility plus he can just abduct characters and push them off the map or in a corner while healing himself. Totally not broken at all.
Yep totally fine considering Punisher can melt most characters in under a second and Hela can still 1-2 tap any character. A little shove between friends is totally fine.
@@Dantics %100 OP and fun to use
Venom is def more broken but thor is good too
@@wheeleee937in no way is thor OP, this just shows how little you know about him😂
Lol thor is actually not broken lol and he can't compare to venom. Venom is a more valuable tank than thor my man. Venom will always be torturing healers and dps alike in and out faster than thor more survivability than thor.
Awesome content, Dantics. I clicked the thumbs up marker on your segment. Keep on the first-rate work. Looking forward see more videos from you.
Thanks! Appreciate it and will do!
We making it outta Asgard with this one Warriors
Always look forward to these break downs, really helps trying out these new characters. Can't wait for the full game release!
I got a code on PS5, but I play aiming games on PC. After puking at my god awful aim for a couple rounds I found Thor.
I mained Orissa in OW2 and Thor has some similar qualities! The charge and spinning spear move for peeling someone away from the group and the hammer throw and spear throw are a similar feel.
Big fan of Thor so far.
I feel like when he’s spinning his hammer he should be able to start to float or get some air tell you let go of the dash
Keep up the good work lad. Been watching you since the cyberpunk days
Legend! Will try my best.
as a brig player in overwatch, this looks right up my alley
Same when I played him immediately felt he has similar play styles to brig (one of my mains)
Thor is a big boy in this game
I’m the first real comment you have dude. Congratulations.
Real, since these bots won't go away!
I was so confused by this comment saying "real" comment, but ah right bots lol makes sense
His design is perfect
Still think his hammer charge ability should ether do more damage or have a stun effect if it makes the target hit a wall.
Solid
Wish he wore a cap, he looks so bad without it.
I'mma say it, Thor's damage output sucks
bad advise
not gonna lie bro ur pretty bad at thor. should be using the shift waaaaay more
Sure, when you're not stomping. Better to save thorforce for kills when you are.
This is not how you play Thor lol he has an aggressive play style.
He says to the guy who clearly shows him playing aggressively. I say you have to choose your moment. Being aggressive doesn't mean playing stupid.
@@Dantics it’s the way the aggressive play is being demonstrated that I don’t agree with.