I stared with a coronet in 6th grade and when I reached high school I wanted a trumpet, I answered an ad in the paper for a used one for $75. It was handed down from a kids grandpa who was a trumpet player in the Cleveland Symphony! It was a Conn with engraving inside the bell and outside going up the bell, finished in gold and silver! WHAT A FIND!
A metal version of the plastic rod rod was supplied with my new Bach Strad in 1973 - not sure if the still supply them though, You put it down the valve casing, thread a cloth through the slit, and pull the cloth through to clean the inside of the valve casing.
I've been a pro trumpet player for 30 yrs, a pro repairman for 10 yrs. I recently had one of these in my shop for a routine chem clean. It looked like a Strad. However, I must honestly say it was constructed like crap. When I first saw what I saw, I thought maybe the horn had been dropped and damaged, but the owner said she had bought it new, and always babied it. There was not a single slide tubing perpendicular with the valve casing! The slides worked sufficiantly, somehow. But the horn looked like it had been put together by a drunk. There is only one Bach Strad, and it is NOT built in china......
TheHuntermoss I'm a brass player and brass tech also. Though I've not had one of these, my experience with the cheap Chinese trumpets so far has not been good. Many of them have such poor machining of the threaded parts that it's almost inevitable that even the most careful person is going to cross-thread the top and/or bottom valve caps. The fit is often too tight or too loose and the threads are easily damaged. When that happens the only solution I've found is to use teflon tape on the threads to get the caps to hold. Otherwise the horn is toast.
I love my Strad and seeing this garbage trumpet, especially with this crappy case made me pretty salty. It's infuriating that they would even put the name Bach on it.
he didn't say it's real and he said your mileage will vary. There's tons of different knock off conn-selmer branded instruments from China anyways so they would vary incredibly in quality and price
But those are designed in Japan have quality control by Yamaha and are marketed by Yamaha. What they do in China is just production work. I mean Chinese firm of music enthusiasts, craftsmen with know how and technicians designing their own quality concept and marketing them under their own name for a price that Selmer could get you the case.
Yamaha.s student and intermediant trumpets are made in China i had them 2 years now i play one of the best intermediant/pro the ytr 6335g no the 6335g is not a pro trumpet but a great stepup from the chinese made 4335g2
This. I got to play around with a Yamaha 2000AD trumpet, student model made in China, and it's nice. Light, so easier for students, all slide worked beautifully, and played as well, as well as I'm able to discern, as my Japan-made YTR-2320.
Not really. There ARE Chinese factories that make relatively high quality goods. But they cost much more to produce and the retail price is comparable to the same product made in Taiwan or Mexico. It would take much longer to train the general workplace to understand quality over quantity in China meaning they would not compete on price vs value. This is the reality of their approach and changing this would take generations. However, the market would first need to demand the change, which is unlikely to happen.
Re: "Sexy" horn features The sleek, braceless lines of my reverse-construction Schilke-style (Yamaha-made) trumpets used to always draw attention! But when I use a gold-plated mouthpiece, nobody notices the horns. :(
William Kelley Well, personally, I don't. I work for Conn-Selmer. I am a trumpet tester there. It's unfortunate to see a knock-off Bach, but it's worse to see people endorsing them as a viable option.
Lonnie Waggoner When it is a viable option, it's even worse. I have played many trumpets and it's pretty sad that a knock off like this stands up to a 1,000 dollar Bach trumpet. It's sad indeed, friend.
William Kelley that's debatable. They DO NOT play like a Bach. Ask any professional trumpet player. No, the worst part is whoever is pawning these off as Strads, are stealing. Plain and simple. Our workers take great pride in our products. Products that help make a profit for our company and our employees. My family and others who work here, have bought houses, sent our children to school, and afforded other luxuries from this company. When you have someone who is shamelessly stealing from us, it hurts us. People who knowingly or unknowingly buy these knock offs, give money to thieves. Money that could have went into our product to provide r&d and opportunities for newer and better models. I hope the person in this video will see that buying counterfeits has a price. I'm glad he is interested in trumpets, and if you're into Bach Stradivarius or any other brand, please please please, get the authentic brand. Cheers.
I play a chinese Bb tuba that performs very well and it even in my opinion performs better then 2 European made tubas that i have access to. The company that made my Tuba was Jinbao but sold by an american company called the Tuba Exchange, Mack Brass and Wessex tubas also sell the same instruments which i think perform very well.
that plastic rod was to put cheese cloth through to clean out the valves casings not put in the main pipe, i use a metal one that my instrument repair tech recommended
1) Brass doesn't rust. Trumpets are made of brass. The tuning slide discoloration is normal because as with "real" trumpets the inner tubes of the slides including the tuning slide are raw brass with no "coatings" on them at all except for slide grease. Letting them discolor naturally is fine. Trying to polish the slides to pretty them up will remove brass metal and over time you'll end up with leaky slides. I know from experience as decades ago I used dish scouring steel wool pads to pretty them up, LOL. 2) Intonation problems like from the C to C, which I'd agree isn't a good thing, could probably be attributed to faulty valve alignment. 3) I agree with comments below about the "knock off" issue. It's too bad that China gets away with stealing designs, patents, and other intellectual property. I used to sell decorative figurines from SMC which were "exclusive" to their catalogue, but still saw out in the market other exact same figures only with different name plates on them, heh.
I'd have to disagree with that reccomendation, For around that price on Ebay, Craigslist, or possibly a local music store, you could get a decent Olds Ambassador, Bach TR300, or for a little bit more, a Yamaha 2335. While these instruments wont be as flashy and might take a little bit of work to get perfect, it will overall be a better investment. First off it would play a hell of a lot better, and it would last you much longer if you choose to pursue the trumpet. Never buy cheap chinese brands, you're much better off paying the same or a little extra for a nice used horn.
my friend in marching band has the same trumpet and I am in drum line but I play Trumpet too and I have a Bach TR-300 and I'm afraid to tell him that he's gotta fake Bach Trumpet because I think he'll be pissed and u know trumpeters with them egoes
@@DillonM-mc6yw Bach tr300 is an excellent student horn. I first got mine in 2005 as my first horn and I brought it with me all the way into my first semester in college until I could afford a used 37 strad. My colleagues told me it was the best-worst performing horn they'd used and I'd have to agree when looking at it from that perspective. I would've thought them to be more common, however.
The TR300 was my first actual trumpet, switching from an old cornet in middle school. It was a perfectly serviceable marching band horn in college too, when I didn't want to ding up my Strad playing in the bleachers at football games.
My Daughter started learning at age 7 Trumpet beginners class in a band and she had the old trumpet out of the band room storage and old Earlham one day it literally fell in half! so I spent £50 on a chinese Trumpet on Ebay as i did not know if she would carry on learning. After 2 yrs aged 9 she got in the band and i got her a yamaha 4335GS she could hardly lift it...lol... but now age 17 she still plays it in bands and orchestra now she wants a Pro Trumpet (Stomvi) along the journey I also got her a 1965 Conn Director Cornet for xmas caroling cost £80 and also a York Trumpet made by Musica Steyer cost £80 and 60's conn Doc Severinsen 1000b Trumpet cost £90 all I would think better than this Bach BUT remember the chinese Trumpet for £50?..it still is going strong and plays well..although the lacquer is shot! my advice buy a good old one. BUT the kids today want a flashy looking one even if it is not a good quality. As said here "it looks the part"
Trent... the “cleaning rod” is a valve casing cleaning rod... thread a cloth through the eye, wrap the cloth around the rod and insert it into the valve casings (with the pistons removed) and clean out debris and/or slick stuff inside the valve casing. Sometimes one needs more than just a prickly brush to clean out the valve casings. You do not insert the thing into the bell or into the mouthpipe. Just sayin’
Believe it or not, a strategically placed expansion in the bore can fix that problem with the octave between the 2nd and 4th partials. Figuring out where to put it is the hard part, but it can be done by a repairman the same way he might remove a dent.
Perhaps, but here is another strategy: In the mid-1960s as a youth interested in learning then playing brass instruments cornet/trumpet in particular and being of extremely modest means my parents/I decided to discuss my situation with the high school band director, who incidentally enough played trumpet semi-professionally, too. His advice on tuning a cornet/trumpet: Best to learn from the beginning what the true pitch/tone of a note is, its form and what it sounds like (picture it in your head before/while playing). That said, after a year playing a recorder/tonette in 4th grade, he rented me an acceptable cornet that he demonstrated very well along with a small 7c type mouthpiece (to which I eventually advanced to a 1 1/2C Bach and later other mouthpieces as I got larger and more experienced but mouthpiece specification/shape and how it relates to mouth-teeth shape, lip placement, and embouchure are another discussion for another time). He also lent me his tone generator (and this is critical) and advised from the very start not only how to play the cornet but how to visualize each note in my mind before/as I was playing it and comparing the tone with the tone "true pitch" generator. I found in short order that I could alter/"lip" practically any note 1/4 to 1/2 tone above/below its true pitch. As the years went by and my expertise/experience grew, I found my ability to "stay in tune" invaluable if not practically necessary/critical, regardless of whatever "acceptable" quality cornet/trumpet I played regardless of brand. Thus, I would advise the author to practice this "tone shaping" ability and he could easily play both Cs in pitch on practically any horn assuming of course that the horn slides are adjusted to their respective best positions for him. Interesting enough I recall in junior and high school bands that some large brass players (baritone/tuba) often had the same "tone shaping" to correct pitch difficulty between octaves while playing the trumpet just like the author.
I got a $100 trumpet from Amazon, and it's been pretty good. I wouldn't use it as a primary instrument, but if you're just messing around or using it a few times for something it's not the worst thing on the planet.
Omg yesterday someone in the band room found a Bach stratavario trumpet that belongs to the school and even people who own professional trumpets in the band says that it was the best trumpet they ever played on
I believe Trent is primarily a low brass player, and a mighty fine one at that. His recommendation is his opinion and probably has appeal to younger players who want a horn that looks good. I really have no argument with him. For someone who is more interested in sound and quality, my recommendation for a inexpensive trumpet would be to search eBay for a good used 'Made in the USA' horn from no later than the 1980's. Getzen and King are my two favorites for a solidly built, reliable instrument. Back then, their student model horns had the same high quality valve sections as their top grade horns. I have an inexpensive 1970's modified King 601 (462 bore) trumpet that I usually take along on trips and have as a back-up for my Bach Strad Bb. If it gets lost or damaged it won't be expensive to replace. It's reliable, sounds great and though its raw brass, it doesn't look bad with a little hand polishing.
Getzen are good, you say? I played a '90s Getzen baritone for a while... it was garbage. It had awful spring noises, it was very out of tune (Bb4 and higher was extremely sharp compared to Bb3) and, since I always tune at Bb4, the lower register suffered badly. I played a much nicer instrument that I will get the company name of soon. I'm too lazy to get out my current one.
I got the brand name, and it was a publishing company called Boosey and Hawkes. The instrument, upon closer inspection and use for actually euphonium parts... it's terrible. The valves are very slow and heavy, and stuff I should be able to play normally are being missed and/or the valves don't move fast enough so I have to do a lot of extra work to play it.
I'm all about tone quality and sound but looks I just don't want scratches and smudges. I have a ytr-2330 student trumpet that Iv had for the three years iv been playing but when I get a job I plan on saving for maybe a ytr-8335rgs xeno series and keep my ytr for marching band
When you suddenly notice your “Vincent Bach” trumpet bought from a reputable retailer has “made in China” stamped on which you haven’t noticed in the seven years of owning it and only has valve 1 and 3 stamped on and your suspicions bring you this video. Damn, all I’ve ever wanted for 24 years is a genuine Bach trumpet and I thought I had one given the money I’d paid, now I’m doubting it after this video ☹️
Never, EVER use Vaseline, aka petroleum jelly on tuning slides on any brass instrument. It will dry out and seize the slides. Just buy some slide grease or even cork grease. In a pinch use valve oil on the slide until you can get some proper grease. And Brass does not rust, it tarnishes then corrodes. Only steel or iron (Ferrous metals) rust. The slide legs are not gold plated or lacquered, just bright brass and will eventually tarnish.
Trent, thanks for posting this video. A couple of things, and so you know I'm not blowing smoke I own an original Bach Strad (1 of the last 3 he made by hand) and have played it for over 30 years! Before that I owned and played several different brands including Olds and King for an overall career of 45 or so years. As for "greasing" the VALVES, NEVER do that! Valve oil yes, grease no. All you will accomplish with the grease is to slow them down or, at the least, make them "mushy". However all trumpet players that have had any training at all grease their tuning slides so they don't corrode or get stuck in place and are much easier to slide when needed. As far as the octaves being a bit sharp on the upper end most of us, when there is no tuning slide for it, as in C to C, will just lip it up or down as needed so as to be in tune. All in all, for the $280 delivered I'd say you have a very nice intermediate instrument. As opposed to the real article for over 2 GRAND. I was going to replace or add to my Strad but the $2,600 price tag changed my mind! Maybe I'll just replace my ratty looking original wood case with real leather corner trim with a new one and be done with it. Your Chinese mouth piece is just tarnishing. Maybe there is more silver in it than there is in the BACH originals! As far as the "RUSTING" on your tuning slides??? They are brass, which doesn't rust! It's just the natural oxidation of brass, which as anyone who's ever worn a brass ring or a fake "Gold" necklace will tell you, it turns green, verdigree! If it actually corroded to where it gets THROUGH the brass, then you have a problem. You may be able to find someone to braze the hole in the slide and polish it down so it will fit again, but I've never heard of the corrosion, if cared at all, getting through the slide brass. Enjoy it! I think you've got a good instrument that should last for a century! Best wishes, and thanks again for the video!
You got a BACH PRELUDE and the case is maybe a fake strad case. Bach and a huge list of other well known brands have MOST of there horns made in China. That's why you see NEW STRADS for list for $3000 new, and can't get $900 on auction for a newer used one. They are so inconsistent in quality that you must test play THE horn you buy or find someone you can trust to check it out and fix or return it. AKA TRENT AUSTIN ACB BRASS !!
+TRUMPETWORKBENCH MR4RD Buy a Shires, you know it's made in the U.S. I'm a trombone player but I have played most of what's out there. Shires is one of the best.
Only the Bach Prelude Trumpets are made overseas and list for somewhere around $450. The Prelude is made under the supervision of Bach and has to meet their standards. The trumpet on the video is NOT a Bach Prelude. For one, all the trimmings like the valve caps, slide stop, serial number, etc. are all wrong. You can find these on a website called Ali Express and priced too low. All Intermediate and Professional model Bachs are made in the US, sell for just under $3000 and sell used for $1500-2500. These instruments are made of "pot" medal, which is a mix of metals usually used to solder with. When these types of instruments break (and it will), music repair businesses refuse to work on them. He still does not have a nice trumpet and this trumpet will fall apart in very short amount of time. Check out his other video of a fake Bach Flugelhorn, which came with valves that wouldn't move.
I'm reading these comments, and I think it's sad that people think that the caliber of the instrument determines the skill of the player. So what if it isn't a real Bach? I agree with the part about taking the name, but otherwise, this is a decent trumpet. If you're a good trumpet player, what difference does it make what kind of trumpet it is?
I purchased a knock off Strad to travel with. I think it was made from boat anchors, and is heavy to play as well. It was however made in the USA by a domestic craftsman. Doesn’t match my real Strad of course. I picked up a pocket trumpet from amazon about a year ago that apart from being a cramped horn to hold is much nicer to play than the knock off. It’s actually fun to play.
+Trent Hamilton - Nice review. The biggest red flag as to it being a phony, fake and fraud is the ridiculous low price. For it to be a bona fide Bach Stradivarius trumpet, add at least another zero to the price. But you already knew that. When this cheap Chinese knockoff finally gives up the ghost (which will be sooner rather than later) you can always have it made into a nice decorative end table lamp or desk lamp. By the way, there are Chinese-made trumpets selling for $99(US) on Amazon.com. I might purchase one of those cheapos just to have it made into a lamp. It’ll make for a nice addition to my rolltop desk.
I can vouch for this, I played trumpet in our high school marching band, I had a legit strad with gold trim. (and a Stomvi Master Elite) I met this gorgeous girl there that later became my wife. I'll have to ask her if it was the gold trim that sealed the deal. 😂
Selmer which has acquired the Vincent Bach name now labels its student trumpets as "Bach." They don't use the Stradivarius name, but, their Bundy is now Bach.
I haven't read all the comments, but if no one has said it yet, the cleaning rod is for the valve casing. Most trumpets come with one. I've got a very old one with a wood handle of all things! Beyond that: DON'T buy knock offs. It is corporate terrorism.
Dont waste money on shit like this. Buy a well cared for Olds Ambassador. They play like a dream, are tough and will not break or dent badly with rough handling and last but not least they are cheap as chips and you`ll get your money back when you sell.
General brass instrument playing in-tune and "tone-shaping" (ref my earlier reply to Mal-2 KSC's comment): In the mid-1960s as a youth interested in learning then playing brass instruments cornet/trumpet in particular and being of extremely modest means my parents and I decided to discuss my situation with the high school band director, who incidentally enough played trumpet semi-professionally, too. His advice on playing in-tune on a brass instrument, in my case the cornet/trumpet: "It is best to learn from the beginning--but anytime is ok--that it is critical for an instrument player to learn and get a feel, as in a sound, a picture, a vibe in their memory for what the true (accurate or perfect) pitch/tone of a note is, its form and what it sounds like (pictured in your head before/while playing)." That said, after a year playing a recorder/tonette in the 4th grade recorder-band, he rented me an acceptable cornet that he demonstrated to me very well along with a small 7c type mouthpiece (to which I eventually advanced to a 1 1/2C Bach and later other mouthpieces as I grew physically, became more experienced/better player as well as the design of mouthpieces and their corresponding specifications/shape and how they relates to a player's mouth-teeth shape, lip placement, and embouchure: another discussion for another time). He also lent me his tone generator (this is critical) and advised from the very start not only how to play the cornet but how to visualize each note in my mind before/as I was playing it and comparing the tone I made with the tone "true pitch" generator. I found in short order that I could alter/"lip" practically any note 1/4 to 1/2 tone above/below its true pitch. As the years went by and my expertise/experience grew, I found my ability to "stay in tune" from this training invaluable if not practically necessary/critical, regardless of whatever "acceptable" quality cornet/trumpet I played regardless of brand. Thus, I would advise the author to practice his "tone shaping" ability and he could easily play both Cs in pitch on practically any horn assuming of course that the horn slides are adjusted to their respective best positions for him. Interesting enough I recall in junior and high school bands that some large brass players (baritone/tuba) often had the same "tone shaping" to correct pitch difficulty between octaves only while playing the trumpet just like the author perhaps because they unintentionally "tried a little too hard" on the smaller brass instrument with its corresponding much smaller mouthpiece--and "narrower lip-contact" than the mouthpiece(s) they were used to playing on the larger instruments.
I would also be interested in hearing your thoughts on instruments from Wessex Tubas, Mack Brass or any other source of Chinese-manufactured instruments, direct or indirect. And does quality depend on the particular instrument or is there consistent quality from certain sources? Thanks!
I'm thinking about buying a trombone from Wessex, as I hear good things about them. The only issue is that I don't have spare permission from my wife at this time :)
I was a middle school band director for 15 years and I'm professional trumpet player. I find it interesting that it says "Stradivarius" on the case, but "Prelude" on the instrument and pamphlet. Those are two very different model names. The trimmings like the valve caps, slide stop, serial number, etc. are all wrong. I've seen these on Ali Express online store, which I hear has been in some sort of trouble with the US government due to their constant fake products that break US copyright laws. This is perfectly legal in China. The trumpet I saw on Ali Express said "Stradivarious" on it, but didn't have a serial number. Also, Bach etches into the trumpet, not an outer, laser engraving. These instruments are made of "pot" medal, which is a mix of metals usually used to solder with. When these types of instruments break (and it will), music repair businesses refuse to work on them. He still does not have a "nice" trumpet and this trumpet will fall apart in very short amount of time. Check out his other video of a fake Bach Flugelhorn, which came with valves that wouldn't move out of the box!
First off, brass doesn't rust, only iron, or anything iron based (steel) can rust. Second off, the word you wanted for petroleum jelly lacking oxygen was "anaerobic". It's also hydrophobic, which is much more important in every way. Thirdly, I love how enthusiastic you are about these budget instruments.
It would appear as it is a mix of styles. The 3rd valve stop is not that of a Bach, but maybe a Schilke. A Bach has a threaded rod under the slide with two nuts. The valve buttons and caps are Schilke looking too and not Bach. Bach are round with ridges. On this horn they look octagonal as are the top and bottom caps. Also the water key on the 3rd valve slide is not typical. The water key on the tuning slide is not quite the same shape as the original either. Thanks for posting the video very interesting.
Interesting! The Bach TR-500 is a foreign-made trumpet (Chinese) that I've found a local seller to me, willing to sell for $400 cash, and looking at comments on "the trumpet herald" it's not that well thought of, especially the valves. However, this looks like another case of what happens in the "tech" field, you have a factory in China make your stuff, and they make your stuff all right, during the day shift, then during the night shift they crank out more of the same stuff, variously re-named, no-named, etc. They do this with integrated circuits, where this problem is rampant. And apparently, with trumpets. So the Chinese factory has taken one of their nighttime-run Bach 500's and stamped Strad on it lol.
I purchased the knock off Chinses Bach. I am a armature to intermediate player. I have shared my trumpet to other intermediate to professional players. The consciences is that its not a bad trumpet. They believe for the money it's not a bad investment. In fact these trumpet players has purchased this trumpet to use as a second or actual performing instrument. Lets face it the original Bach or the Yamaha is very expensive. It's nice to have a reasonable back up.
A counterfeit trumpet stealing the Bach Stradivarius branding/trademark is exactly that, a counterfeit trumpet. The counterfeiters could have just as easily made a decent playing value-based product without deceiving people into believing that this thing is something it's not...
Don't play the piece of crap make a lamp out if. Save your money and buy a real one either used or new. I've had my Strad for 45 years and it still plays beautifully.
45 years ago the strad was consistently well made and in those day dollars reasonably priced...Modern Strads are outrageously priced and hit or miss horns.
I really do not care who makes it, Bach is just a name, and if a horn works for you great. As long as the tone quality is good and valves work I'm all good.
It may look like a Bach trumpet but I question whether it's worth even $280? I see these instruments from online auction sites come into my shop every now and then. Their biggest problems are the valves which wear out after 6 mos to a year and cannot be replaced or fixed. The other problem is the intonation which is noted critically in this video. If you only want a good looking trumpet to kick around for 12 months and then throw it away, go for it. You would be better served to spend the $280 on a good used name-brand trumpet. My main horn is a Conn (Euphonium) and it's 41 years old. I've never had any problems with it and the valves work great.
Oh please do not use Vaseline on slides. Never , never, ever. It will gum up the horn. Use well manufactured slide grease. Third valve slide, use valve oil. First valve slide use slide grease then a touch of oil.
Yeah, I thought that was weird. Hetman has a nice series of products with different formulas for valves, valve slides, and the main slide. Recommended by Ron Partch, Toronto repair guy.
A well trained trumpet player knows to use fingertips to press the valves, not the flat part of the finger as the presenter does. It's a good habit to start early because as you advance and need to change notes more quickly it is a lot easier using fingertips.
So I finally have found a job. I am thinking about buying a Bach 180-25S L and a Bach Stradivarius gold trim kit. All of that together will run me close to €3700, wich will be around 50 workdays, 8h per day. I bet it'll be worth it.
We have reached point where computer aided machines and cheap labor CAN replicate extremely expensive instruments, which, let's face it aren't entirely complex to make (no moving parts or high pressure systems)
If you want a nice trumpet buy a secondhand professional trumpet for 50 or 60 dollars instead of a crappy copy for 280 dollars. It will sound better look better last longer and cost less.
I would love to know where I can buy a secondhand professional trumpet for "50 or 60 dollars"... That is fantasy stuff, unless the instrument has been run over by a bus.
It is VERY UNLIKELY that the trim from this horn will fit any other trumpet made with the exception of other knock off horns made by the same company. I have measured and created high efficiency Mod Kits for almost every make and model (hundreds of variations) and have never seen a Chinese-made horn's parts ever fit an American made horn.
Trent , I bought a flugelhorn. New, Low price 165 euros to be exact. It is made in Taiwan. Brand: Marathon reg. Trade Mark Supposedly. I guess the model 050311. I cant find any info on the internet. I bought it on ebay. A seller from Germany. The bell has a crease in it. The case is excellant but, the fit isn't perfect. I see how someone forced the lid shut distorting the bell. How can I send photos to you?
I have a Stradivarius trombone and my fellow trumpet player has a Stradivarius trumpet. The second I saw the case I knew it was fake. Both our cases are made out of leather on wood with padded leather corners. Not a soft case.
Always keep in mind that the quality fluctuation for chinese instruments is awful. It's not like they're selling under a brand name they could potentially damage, so I guess they're not seeing a point in decent QA. It's entirely possible that you were just lucky to get the one good instrument out of a batch and the next guy buying due to your recommendation gets one that's only good for melting down. So it's a bit of a gamble, really. The issue may be alleviated by buying from an importer who does that quality control for you, but that can raise the price substantially (and they will probably not sell under a fake label, but instead try to extablish some kind of 'brand' for their tested imports). Basically that's the main strength of established brands, they provide a maybe slightly better, but definitely a lot more reliable level of quality.
Where was this bought from? I found one on DHGate and it was a similar price and I just got it. Seems almost right. Gonna put it to the test tomorrow. If not, definitely going to return
So I got one fake Bach Strad37 from Dhgate it plays great and sounds ok but it will never replace the original Bach even though I haven't tried one yet except my TR300 but I will soon but i would recommend it For you if you want to try something new for fun and you can definetly make this trumpet sound beautiful in any type of music
bach tr500 is actually a bach trumpet technically .what they are is when the bach company bought a line of chinese instruments and engraved and marketed them under the bach company
I actually figured it out… major companies downlow… pay Chinese companies to make lower quality of their products… and they get a part of anything bought. Think about it… why risk copyright infringement? You don’t have to worry about copyrights if you have a deal with the company! They don’t have to discuss it with the public… and you think international lawyers don’t have their hands in it too… we as the consumers have been suckered.
I wonder what the pistons are like on this trumpet. My Sai Musicals euphonium (from India) has brass pistons, and they need lubrication just about every other day. I wonder if the Chinese skimp in this area, too.
Good video. Thanks for posting as I am always curious about the Chinese instruments and copies. Few points: The cleaning rod is for the inside of the valve casings (snake is for the trumpet pipes, etc.) Interesting it has the "TR" on the lead pipe which is a cheaper model made by Bach but definitely no where close to the quality of a Bach Strad. Strad's also have only one spit valve with a rod/nut on the 3rd valve slide ( the screw to keep the slide from moving out is more common on some of the Kanstul Bessons. so looks more like a hybrid TR 500 or older Mercedes Bach model. Real one also has the logo stamped on the bell. Would love to play one next to my real bach to compare. Could be an option. Would also check used trumpets on Ebay as an option - can find some great playing Conns for low $$.
I stared with a coronet in 6th grade and when I reached high school I wanted a trumpet, I answered an ad in the paper for a used one for $75. It was handed down from a kids grandpa who was a trumpet player in the Cleveland Symphony! It was a Conn with engraving inside the bell and outside going up the bell, finished in gold and silver! WHAT A FIND!
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You 'stared with a coronet?' ! It's rude to stare and particularly to stare at a crown!
I guess you could call this a "Mach" Strad trumpet.
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+TheBassTromboneGuy or a FACH. LOL!
TheBassTromboneGuy first I hear WWI puns all day, AND NOW THIS WHYYYYYY
More like "Schmach" lol.
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May I just mention that the rod is actually supposed to be for the valve casings. Not for the lead pipe.
A metal version of the plastic rod rod was supplied with my new Bach Strad in 1973 - not sure if the still supply them though, You put it down the valve casing, thread a cloth through the slit, and pull the cloth through to clean the inside of the valve casing.
I've been a pro trumpet player for 30 yrs, a pro repairman for 10 yrs. I recently had one of these in my shop for a routine chem clean. It looked like a Strad. However, I must honestly say it was constructed like crap. When I first saw what I saw, I thought maybe the horn had been dropped and damaged, but the owner said she had bought it new, and always babied it. There was not a single slide tubing perpendicular with the valve casing! The slides worked sufficiantly, somehow. But the horn looked like it had been put together by a drunk. There is only one Bach Strad, and it is NOT built in china......
TheHuntermoss Anyone caught selling one of these in the USA should be arrested!
TheHuntermoss I'm a brass player and brass tech also. Though I've not had one of these, my experience with the cheap Chinese trumpets so far has not been good. Many of them have such poor machining of the threaded parts that it's almost inevitable that even the most careful person is going to cross-thread the top and/or bottom valve caps. The fit is often too tight or too loose and the threads are easily damaged. When that happens the only solution I've found is to use teflon tape on the threads to get the caps to hold. Otherwise the horn is toast.
I love my Strad and seeing this garbage trumpet, especially with this crappy case made me pretty salty. It's infuriating that they would even put the name Bach on it.
he didn't say it's real and he said your mileage will vary. There's tons of different knock off conn-selmer branded instruments from China anyways so they would vary incredibly in quality and price
IS JEAN PAUL BETTER THAN THIS FAKE BACH?????? ANY SUGGESTIONS BE VERY HELPFUL
The day the Chinese decide to make quality stuff, we're all out of business.
they do the yamaha 4335g II and the 3 series is made in china i have the 4335g II it plays nice it says on the box that it came in MADE IN CHINA
But those are designed in Japan have quality control by Yamaha and are marketed by Yamaha. What they do in China is just production work. I mean Chinese firm of music enthusiasts, craftsmen with know how and technicians designing their own quality concept and marketing them under their own name for a price that Selmer could get you the case.
Yamaha.s student and intermediant trumpets are made in China i had them 2 years now i play one of the best intermediant/pro the ytr 6335g no the 6335g is not a pro trumpet but a great stepup from the chinese made 4335g2
This. I got to play around with a Yamaha 2000AD trumpet, student model made in China, and it's nice. Light, so easier for students, all slide worked beautifully, and played as well, as well as I'm able to discern, as my Japan-made YTR-2320.
Not really. There ARE Chinese factories that make relatively high quality goods. But they cost much more to produce and the retail price is comparable to the same product made in Taiwan or Mexico. It would take much longer to train the general workplace to understand quality over quantity in China meaning they would not compete on price vs value. This is the reality of their approach and changing this would take generations. However, the market would first need to demand the change, which is unlikely to happen.
If you need someone to test it for a few years, I got u lol
Re: "Sexy" horn features
The sleek, braceless lines of my reverse-construction Schilke-style (Yamaha-made) trumpets used to always draw attention! But when I use a gold-plated mouthpiece, nobody notices the horns. :(
I bet Bach doesn't agree with his recommendation to buy a fake for any reason....
oldschooldrumcorps We don't.
Lonnie Waggoner We?
William Kelley Well, personally, I don't. I work for Conn-Selmer. I am a trumpet tester there. It's unfortunate to see a knock-off Bach, but it's worse to see people endorsing them as a viable option.
Lonnie Waggoner When it is a viable option, it's even worse. I have played many trumpets and it's pretty sad that a knock off like this stands up to a 1,000 dollar Bach trumpet. It's sad indeed, friend.
William Kelley that's debatable. They DO NOT play like a Bach. Ask any professional trumpet player. No, the worst part is whoever is pawning these off as Strads, are stealing. Plain and simple. Our workers take great pride in our products. Products that help make a profit for our company and our employees. My family and others who work here, have bought houses, sent our children to school, and afforded other luxuries from this company. When you have someone who is shamelessly stealing from us, it hurts us. People who knowingly or unknowingly buy these knock offs, give money to thieves. Money that could have went into our product to provide r&d and opportunities for newer and better models. I hope the person in this video will see that buying counterfeits has a price. I'm glad he is interested in trumpets, and if you're into Bach Stradivarius or any other brand, please please please, get the authentic brand. Cheers.
I play a chinese Bb tuba that performs very well and it even in my opinion performs better then 2 European made tubas that i have access to. The company that made my Tuba was Jinbao but sold by an american company called the Tuba Exchange, Mack Brass and Wessex tubas also sell the same instruments which i think perform very well.
that plastic rod was to put cheese cloth through to clean out the valves casings not put in the main pipe, i use a metal one that my instrument repair tech recommended
1) Brass doesn't rust. Trumpets are made of brass. The tuning slide discoloration is normal because as with "real" trumpets the inner tubes of the slides including the tuning slide are raw brass with no "coatings" on them at all except for slide grease. Letting them discolor naturally is fine. Trying to polish the slides to pretty them up will remove brass metal and over time you'll end up with leaky slides. I know from experience as decades ago I used dish scouring steel wool pads to pretty them up, LOL. 2) Intonation problems like from the C to C, which I'd agree isn't a good thing, could probably be attributed to faulty valve alignment. 3) I agree with comments below about the "knock off" issue. It's too bad that China gets away with stealing designs, patents, and other intellectual property. I used to sell decorative figurines from SMC which were "exclusive" to their catalogue, but still saw out in the market other exact same figures only with different name plates on them, heh.
I'd have to disagree with that reccomendation, For around that price on Ebay, Craigslist, or possibly a local music store, you could get a decent Olds Ambassador, Bach TR300, or for a little bit more, a Yamaha 2335. While these instruments wont be as flashy and might take a little bit of work to get perfect, it will overall be a better investment. First off it would play a hell of a lot better, and it would last you much longer if you choose to pursue the trumpet. Never buy cheap chinese brands, you're much better off paying the same or a little extra for a nice used horn.
+ Evan Heuermann tuerendo comprar um bach tr650. conhece?
my friend in marching band has the same trumpet and I am in drum line but I play Trumpet too and I have a Bach TR-300 and I'm afraid to tell him that he's gotta fake Bach Trumpet because I think he'll be pissed and u know trumpeters with them egoes
band geek 3000 Hey, I play on a tr300 also. You are the only person I’ve seen who plays on it other than me.
@@DillonM-mc6yw lol everyone around me in marching band uses a TR300 based horn (1530 & Bundy included)… 3 that say TR300
@@DillonM-mc6yw Bach tr300 is an excellent student horn. I first got mine in 2005 as my first horn and I brought it with me all the way into my first semester in college until I could afford a used 37 strad. My colleagues told me it was the best-worst performing horn they'd used and I'd have to agree when looking at it from that perspective. I would've thought them to be more common, however.
The TR300 was my first actual trumpet, switching from an old cornet in middle school. It was a perfectly serviceable marching band horn in college too, when I didn't want to ding up my Strad playing in the bleachers at football games.
My Daughter started learning at age 7 Trumpet beginners class in a band and she had the old trumpet out of the band room storage and old Earlham one day it literally fell in half! so I spent £50 on a chinese Trumpet on Ebay as i did not know if she would carry on learning. After 2 yrs aged 9 she got in the band and i got her a yamaha 4335GS she could hardly lift it...lol... but now age 17 she still plays it in bands and orchestra now she wants a Pro Trumpet (Stomvi) along the journey I also got her a 1965 Conn Director Cornet for xmas caroling cost £80 and also a York Trumpet made by Musica Steyer cost £80 and 60's conn Doc Severinsen 1000b Trumpet cost £90 all I would think better than this Bach BUT remember the chinese Trumpet for £50?..it still is going strong and plays well..although the lacquer is shot! my advice buy a good old one. BUT the kids today want a flashy looking one even if it is not a good quality. As said here "it looks the part"
Trent... the “cleaning rod” is a valve casing cleaning rod... thread a cloth through the eye, wrap the cloth around the rod and insert it into the valve casings (with the pistons removed) and clean out debris and/or slick stuff inside the valve casing. Sometimes one needs more than just a prickly brush to clean out the valve casings. You do not insert the thing into the bell or into the mouthpipe. Just sayin’
Believe it or not, a strategically placed expansion in the bore can fix that problem with the octave between the 2nd and 4th partials. Figuring out where to put it is the hard part, but it can be done by a repairman the same way he might remove a dent.
Perhaps, but here is another strategy:
In the mid-1960s as a youth interested in learning then playing brass instruments cornet/trumpet in particular and being of extremely modest means my parents/I decided to discuss my situation with the high school band director, who incidentally enough played trumpet semi-professionally, too. His advice on tuning a cornet/trumpet:
Best to learn from the beginning what the true pitch/tone of a note is, its form and what it sounds like (picture it in your head before/while playing). That said, after a year playing a recorder/tonette in 4th grade, he rented me an acceptable cornet that he demonstrated very well along with a small 7c type mouthpiece (to which I eventually advanced to a 1 1/2C Bach and later other mouthpieces as I got larger and more experienced but mouthpiece specification/shape and how it relates to mouth-teeth shape, lip placement, and embouchure are another discussion for another time). He also lent me his tone generator (and this is critical) and advised from the very start not only how to play the cornet but how to visualize each note in my mind before/as I was playing it and comparing the tone with the tone "true pitch" generator. I found in short order that I could alter/"lip" practically any note 1/4 to 1/2 tone above/below its true pitch. As the years went by and my expertise/experience grew, I found my ability to "stay in tune" invaluable if not practically necessary/critical, regardless of whatever "acceptable" quality cornet/trumpet I played regardless of brand. Thus, I would advise the author to practice this "tone shaping" ability and he could easily play both Cs in pitch on practically any horn assuming of course that the horn slides are adjusted to their respective best positions for him. Interesting enough I recall in junior and high school bands that some large brass players (baritone/tuba) often had the same "tone shaping" to correct pitch difficulty between octaves while playing the trumpet just like the author.
I got a $100 trumpet from Amazon, and it's been pretty good. I wouldn't use it as a primary instrument, but if you're just messing around or using it a few times for something it's not the worst thing on the planet.
Omg yesterday someone in the band room found a Bach stratavario trumpet that belongs to the school and even people who own professional trumpets in the band says that it was the best trumpet they ever played on
You should try something from Wessex Tubas, they have cheap horns made in China, but have received a great reputation.
"Nothing sixier than having gold trimming"
I believe Trent is primarily a low brass player, and a mighty fine one at that. His recommendation is his opinion and probably has appeal to younger players who want a horn that looks good. I really have no argument with him.
For someone who is more interested in sound and quality, my recommendation for a inexpensive trumpet would be to search eBay for a good used 'Made in the USA' horn from no later than the 1980's. Getzen and King are my two favorites for a solidly built, reliable instrument. Back then, their student model horns had the same high quality valve sections as their top grade horns.
I have an inexpensive 1970's modified King 601 (462 bore) trumpet that I usually take along on trips and have as a back-up for my Bach Strad Bb. If it gets lost or damaged it won't be expensive to replace. It's reliable, sounds great and though its raw brass, it doesn't look bad with a little hand polishing.
Getzen are good, you say? I played a '90s Getzen baritone for a while... it was garbage. It had awful spring noises, it was very out of tune (Bb4 and higher was extremely sharp compared to Bb3) and, since I always tune at Bb4, the lower register suffered badly. I played a much nicer instrument that I will get the company name of soon. I'm too lazy to get out my current one.
+Forgotten Fate He DID write 'from no later than the 1980s', though.
I got the brand name, and it was a publishing company called Boosey and Hawkes. The instrument, upon closer inspection and use for actually euphonium parts... it's terrible. The valves are very slow and heavy, and stuff I should be able to play normally are being missed and/or the valves don't move fast enough so I have to do a lot of extra work to play it.
I'm all about tone quality and sound but looks I just don't want scratches and smudges. I have a ytr-2330 student trumpet that Iv had for the three years iv been playing but when I get a job I plan on saving for maybe a ytr-8335rgs xeno series and keep my ytr for marching band
i loved my "61 Olds Ambassador. cheap and reliable and GREAT for starters. I am playing trumpet for years now and still use mine in several bands!
When you suddenly notice your “Vincent Bach” trumpet bought from a reputable retailer has “made in China” stamped on which you haven’t noticed in the seven years of owning it and only has valve 1 and 3 stamped on and your suspicions bring you this video. Damn, all I’ve ever wanted for 24 years is a genuine Bach trumpet and I thought I had one given the money I’d paid, now I’m doubting it after this video ☹️
I do like the finger buttons though :) The rod is meant to clean out the valve casings before reapplying oil btw.
Valves (sorry I had to lol)
It's for everything for your trumpet you dumb ass
And slides.
I owned a 1959 Bach Mt Vernon Strat. I played it in JH and HS. Sold it to a band director so it would played
Never, EVER use Vaseline, aka petroleum jelly on tuning slides on any brass instrument. It will dry out and seize the slides. Just buy some slide grease or even cork grease. In a pinch use valve oil on the slide until you can get some proper grease. And Brass does not rust, it tarnishes then corrodes. Only steel or iron (Ferrous metals) rust.
The slide legs are not gold plated or lacquered, just bright brass and will eventually tarnish.
In case someone hasn't already pointed this out that plastic rod isn't for the leadpipe it's for a swab for the the valve casings.
Trent, thanks for posting this video. A couple of things, and so you know I'm not blowing smoke I own an original Bach Strad (1 of the last 3 he made by hand) and have played it for over 30 years! Before that I owned and played several different brands including Olds and King for an overall career of 45 or so years. As for "greasing" the VALVES, NEVER do that! Valve oil yes, grease no. All you will accomplish with the grease is to slow them down or, at the least, make them "mushy". However all trumpet players that have had any training at all grease their tuning slides so they don't corrode or get stuck in place and are much easier to slide when needed. As far as the octaves being a bit sharp on the upper end most of us, when there is no tuning slide for it, as in C to C, will just lip it up or down as needed so as to be in tune. All in all, for the $280 delivered I'd say you have a very nice intermediate instrument. As opposed to the real article for over 2 GRAND. I was going to replace or add to my Strad but the $2,600 price tag changed my mind! Maybe I'll just replace my ratty looking original wood case with real leather corner trim with a new one and be done with it. Your Chinese mouth piece is just tarnishing. Maybe there is more silver in it than there is in the BACH originals! As far as the "RUSTING" on your tuning slides??? They are brass, which doesn't rust! It's just the natural oxidation of brass, which as anyone who's ever worn a brass ring or a fake "Gold" necklace will tell you, it turns green, verdigree! If it actually corroded to where it gets THROUGH the brass, then you have a problem. You may be able to find someone to braze the hole in the slide and polish it down so it will fit again, but I've never heard of the corrosion, if cared at all, getting through the slide brass. Enjoy it! I think you've got a good instrument that should last for a century!
Best wishes, and thanks again for the video!
You got a BACH PRELUDE and the case is maybe a fake strad case. Bach and a huge list of other well known brands have MOST of there horns made in China. That's why you see NEW STRADS for list for $3000 new, and can't get $900 on auction for a newer used one. They are so inconsistent in quality that you must test play THE horn you buy or find someone you can trust to check it out and fix or return it. AKA TRENT AUSTIN ACB BRASS !!
+TRUMPETWORKBENCH MR4RD Buy a Shires, you know it's made in the U.S. I'm a trombone player but I have played most of what's out there. Shires is one of the best.
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Only the Bach Prelude Trumpets are made overseas and list for somewhere around $450. The Prelude is made under the supervision of Bach and has to meet their standards. The trumpet on the video is NOT a Bach Prelude. For one, all the trimmings like the valve caps, slide stop, serial number, etc. are all wrong. You can find these on a website called Ali Express and priced too low. All Intermediate and Professional model Bachs are made in the US, sell for just under $3000 and sell used for $1500-2500. These instruments are made of "pot" medal, which is a mix of metals usually used to solder with. When these types of instruments break (and it will), music repair businesses refuse to work on them. He still does not have a nice trumpet and this trumpet will fall apart in very short amount of time. Check out his other video of a fake Bach Flugelhorn, which came with valves that wouldn't move.
i didnt even know Stradivarius's had gold trimming.
Brooklyn mine doesn't
Brooklyn you can buy a trim kit that replaces valves, water keys and the third valve slider
Brooklyn you can buy a trim kit that replaces valves, water keys and the third valve slider
It does not
Yes, the anniversary and special editions have historically included a 24k gold plated trim kit.
The cleaning rod is for the valve casings
i dont know why but the case falling apart made me laugh so hard
I'm reading these comments, and I think it's sad that people think that the caliber of the instrument determines the skill of the player. So what if it isn't a real Bach? I agree with the part about taking the name, but otherwise, this is a decent trumpet. If you're a good trumpet player, what difference does it make what kind of trumpet it is?
I have a Bach beginner trumpet from the 70's that has a bunch of dents yet I'm third chair.
+Riley Begeman 3rd chair isnt that good....
+GreenSalmon I suppose that would largely depend on the quality of the orchester, no?
+Sascha Rambeaud touché
A softmore in my jazz band plays a 7c and hits double G's frequently
I purchased a knock off Strad to travel with. I think it was made from boat anchors, and is heavy to play as well. It was however made in the USA by a domestic craftsman. Doesn’t match my real Strad of course. I picked up a pocket trumpet from amazon about a year ago that apart from being a cramped horn to hold is much nicer to play than the knock off. It’s actually fun to play.
+Trent Hamilton - Nice review. The biggest red flag as to it being a phony, fake and fraud is the ridiculous low price. For it to be a bona fide Bach Stradivarius trumpet, add at least another zero to the price. But you already knew that. When this cheap Chinese knockoff finally gives up the ghost (which will be sooner rather than later) you can always have it made into a nice decorative end table lamp or desk lamp. By the way, there are Chinese-made trumpets selling for $99(US) on Amazon.com. I might purchase one of those cheapos just to have it made into a lamp. It’ll make for a nice addition to my rolltop desk.
+Christopher Tsiliacos
75.95 free shipping on ebay. Not a bad horn either.
Those valve caps are more than likely a different size and size thread than a real Bach.
The cleaning rod that appears at 3:33 is for the valve casings, not the leadpipe.
Gold trumpet trim gets the girls.
Yeah, ok. ;) LOL I'm a lady, and my Bach Strad is uniformly silver, trim and all.
I can vouch for this, I played trumpet in our high school marching band, I had a legit strad with gold trim. (and a Stomvi Master Elite) I met this gorgeous girl there that later became my wife. I'll have to ask her if it was the gold trim that sealed the deal. 😂
Selmer which has acquired the Vincent Bach name now labels its student trumpets as "Bach." They don't use the Stradivarius name, but, their Bundy is now Bach.
I can't see it in the video, but I would wager that the "laser engraving" is actually electro-etched.
I haven't read all the comments, but if no one has said it yet, the cleaning rod is for the valve casing. Most trumpets come with one. I've got a very old one with a wood handle of all things! Beyond that: DON'T buy knock offs. It is corporate terrorism.
Lol alright, Osama Bach-Laden.
Dont waste money on shit like this. Buy a well cared for Olds Ambassador. They play like a dream, are tough and will not break or dent badly with rough handling and last but not least they are cheap as chips and you`ll get your money back when you sell.
That model looks quite nice in that it's got an Avocadoe Holder for to adequately hang your Avocadoes on...
we're the hell is the holder? I don't take this shit as a "joke" more of crap
General brass instrument playing in-tune and "tone-shaping" (ref my earlier reply to Mal-2 KSC's comment):
In the mid-1960s as a youth interested in learning then playing brass instruments cornet/trumpet in particular and being of extremely modest means my parents and I decided to discuss my situation with the high school band director, who incidentally enough played trumpet semi-professionally, too. His advice on playing in-tune on a brass instrument, in my case the cornet/trumpet:
"It is best to learn from the beginning--but anytime is ok--that it is critical for an instrument player to learn and get a feel, as in a sound, a picture, a vibe in their memory for what the true (accurate or perfect) pitch/tone of a note is, its form and what it sounds like (pictured in your head before/while playing)." That said, after a year playing a recorder/tonette in the 4th grade recorder-band, he rented me an acceptable cornet that he demonstrated to me very well along with a small 7c type mouthpiece (to which I eventually advanced to a 1 1/2C Bach and later other mouthpieces as I grew physically, became more experienced/better player as well as the design of mouthpieces and their corresponding specifications/shape and how they relates to a player's mouth-teeth shape, lip placement, and embouchure: another discussion for another time). He also lent me his tone generator (this is critical) and advised from the very start not only how to play the cornet but how to visualize each note in my mind before/as I was playing it and comparing the tone I made with the tone "true pitch" generator. I found in short order that I could alter/"lip" practically any note 1/4 to 1/2 tone above/below its true pitch. As the years went by and my expertise/experience grew, I found my ability to "stay in tune" from this training invaluable if not practically necessary/critical, regardless of whatever "acceptable" quality cornet/trumpet I played regardless of brand. Thus, I would advise the author to practice his "tone shaping" ability and he could easily play both Cs in pitch on practically any horn assuming of course that the horn slides are adjusted to their respective best positions for him. Interesting enough I recall in junior and high school bands that some large brass players (baritone/tuba) often had the same "tone shaping" to correct pitch difficulty between octaves only while playing the trumpet just like the author perhaps because they unintentionally "tried a little too hard" on the smaller brass instrument with its corresponding much smaller mouthpiece--and "narrower lip-contact" than the mouthpiece(s) they were used to playing on the larger instruments.
I would also be interested in hearing your thoughts on instruments from Wessex Tubas, Mack Brass or any other source of Chinese-manufactured instruments, direct or indirect. And does quality depend on the particular instrument or is there consistent quality from certain sources? Thanks!
I'm thinking about buying a trombone from Wessex, as I hear good things about them. The only issue is that I don't have spare permission from my wife at this time :)
The black cleaning rod is actually for the valve casings, not the lead pipe.
I play professionally, and this is a beautiful horn that I would use on stage.
Is this true or a joke?
I thought the cleaning rods like that for trumpet were for the valves?
I was a middle school band director for 15 years and I'm professional trumpet player. I find it interesting that it says "Stradivarius" on the case, but "Prelude" on the instrument and pamphlet. Those are two very different model names. The trimmings like the valve caps, slide stop, serial number, etc. are all wrong. I've seen these on Ali Express online store, which I hear has been in some sort of trouble with the US government due to their constant fake products that break US copyright laws. This is perfectly legal in China. The trumpet I saw on Ali Express said "Stradivarious" on it, but didn't have a serial number. Also, Bach etches into the trumpet, not an outer, laser engraving. These instruments are made of "pot" medal, which is a mix of metals usually used to solder with. When these types of instruments break (and it will), music repair businesses refuse to work on them. He still does not have a "nice" trumpet and this trumpet will fall apart in very short amount of time. Check out his other video of a fake Bach Flugelhorn, which came with valves that wouldn't move out of the box!
First off, brass doesn't rust, only iron, or anything iron based (steel) can rust. Second off, the word you wanted for petroleum jelly lacking oxygen was "anaerobic". It's also hydrophobic, which is much more important in every way.
Thirdly, I love how enthusiastic you are about these budget instruments.
There's such a thing as Anhydrous lanolin.
I play almost all Bb and F brass instruments. I love your content. It's very educational in my case. Being a high school euphenist
It would appear as it is a mix of styles. The 3rd valve stop is not that of a Bach, but maybe a Schilke. A Bach has a threaded rod under the slide with two nuts. The valve buttons and caps are Schilke looking too and not Bach. Bach are round with ridges. On this horn they look octagonal as are the top and bottom caps. Also the water key on the 3rd valve slide is not typical. The water key on the tuning slide is not quite the same shape as the original either. Thanks for posting the video very interesting.
Interesting! The Bach TR-500 is a foreign-made trumpet (Chinese) that I've found a local seller to me, willing to sell for $400 cash, and looking at comments on "the trumpet herald" it's not that well thought of, especially the valves.
However, this looks like another case of what happens in the "tech" field, you have a factory in China make your stuff, and they make your stuff all right, during the day shift, then during the night shift they crank out more of the same stuff, variously re-named, no-named, etc. They do this with integrated circuits, where this problem is rampant. And apparently, with trumpets.
So the Chinese factory has taken one of their nighttime-run Bach 500's and stamped Strad on it lol.
I purchased the knock off Chinses Bach. I am a armature to intermediate player. I have shared my trumpet to other intermediate to professional players. The consciences is that its not a bad trumpet. They believe for the money it's not a bad investment. In fact these trumpet players has purchased this trumpet to use as a second or actual performing instrument. Lets face it the original Bach or the Yamaha is very expensive. It's nice to have a reasonable back up.
Trent I too believe that there is nothing sixier than gold trm. Jokes aside love your vids 😁
Did you buy the trumpet from Aliexpress?
I have a Blessing Super Artist from the 70s that I love, but a Stradivarius is amazing and I would love a real one as well
Nice*, it has Schilke valve caps! It's a completely grate looking and sounding horn imho. Those valve caps what sold me. Decent.
I just want the case
A counterfeit trumpet stealing the Bach Stradivarius branding/trademark is exactly that, a counterfeit trumpet. The counterfeiters could have just as easily made a decent playing value-based product without deceiving people into believing that this thing is something it's not...
Love the videos Trent.
That's a real Bach Prelude in optional silver plate. The mouthpiece is not a "fake". It's a replica, just not a good one.
The trumpet is a fake. They have them at Ali Express. Bach does not make trumpets with that type of trim. (valve caps, engraving etc.)
Yes they have gold trim trumpets if you get a special order or a trim kit
Gold waterkeys?! Gold trimmed pistons!?
Replace them with a complete real silver trumpet and it'll look better and still sounds the best.
Don't play the piece of crap make a lamp out if. Save your money and buy a real one either used or new. I've had my Strad for 45 years and it still plays beautifully.
45 years ago the strad was consistently well made and in those day dollars reasonably priced...Modern Strads are outrageously priced and hit or miss horns.
Mine is just as old, and plays nicely.
Hi I like your demonstration Trent I play trumpet and it's a good video to see.
Check the side of the second valve for the serial number
It doesn't have one because it is FAKE
Yeah, that octave tuning issue is a deal breaker unless you know how to fix it with a cheap alteration to the mouthpiece.
I really do not care who makes it, Bach is just a name, and if a horn works for you great. As long as the tone quality is good and valves work I'm all good.
Please review a schiller tuba!!!
7:50 Ayy Stevie Wonder in Concert
It may look like a Bach trumpet but I question whether it's worth even $280? I see these instruments from online auction sites come into my shop every now and then. Their biggest problems are the valves which wear out after 6 mos to a year and cannot be replaced or fixed. The other problem is the intonation which is noted critically in this video. If you only want a good looking trumpet to kick around for 12 months and then throw it away, go for it. You would be better served to spend the $280 on a good used name-brand trumpet. My main horn is a Conn (Euphonium) and it's 41 years old. I've never had any problems with it and the valves work great.
I got one of those fake 3C mouthpieces for $5 and it works a charm
Oh please do not use Vaseline on slides. Never , never, ever. It will gum up the horn. Use well manufactured slide grease. Third valve slide, use valve oil. First valve slide use slide grease then a touch of oil.
Yeah, I thought that was weird. Hetman has a nice series of products with different formulas for valves, valve slides, and the main slide. Recommended by Ron Partch, Toronto repair guy.
I have a Schiller silver trumpet and it has the exact same valves and valve tops and bottoms
A well trained trumpet player knows to use fingertips to press the valves, not the flat part of the finger as the presenter does. It's a good habit to start early because as you advance and need to change notes more quickly it is a lot easier using fingertips.
So I finally have found a job.
I am thinking about buying a Bach 180-25S L and a Bach Stradivarius gold trim kit.
All of that together will run me close to €3700, wich will be around 50 workdays, 8h per day.
I bet it'll be worth it.
Did you do it?
It’s funny seeing a “Bach Stradivarius” with a spit valve on the 3rd valve slide
We have reached point where computer aided machines and cheap labor CAN replicate extremely expensive instruments, which, let's face it aren't entirely complex to make (no moving parts or high pressure systems)
If you want a nice trumpet buy a secondhand professional trumpet for 50 or 60 dollars instead of a crappy copy for 280 dollars. It will sound better look better last longer and cost less.
I would love to know where I can buy a secondhand professional trumpet for "50 or 60 dollars"... That is fantasy stuff, unless the instrument has been run over by a bus.
You might be able to get a used American-made student horn for about $280.
Try playing it with the Tuning Slide not all the way in.
It is VERY UNLIKELY that the trim from this horn will fit any other trumpet made with the exception of other knock off horns made by the same company. I have measured and created high efficiency Mod Kits for almost every make and model (hundreds of variations) and have never seen a Chinese-made horn's parts ever fit an American made horn.
Ahh, that's a shame then :(. Thanks for your comment Jason - If you ever want someone to review your work I'd be happy to help!
Trent , I bought a flugelhorn. New, Low price 165 euros to be exact. It is made in Taiwan. Brand: Marathon reg. Trade Mark Supposedly. I guess the model 050311. I cant find any info on the internet. I bought it on ebay. A seller from Germany. The bell has a crease in it. The case is excellant but, the fit isn't perfect. I see how someone forced the lid shut distorting the bell. How can I send photos to you?
I have a Stradivarius trombone and my fellow trumpet player has a Stradivarius trumpet. The second I saw the case I knew it was fake. Both our cases are made out of leather on wood with padded leather corners. Not a soft case.
Now duh it's fake. It literally says it in the title😂. The second I saw the title I knew this trumpet was fake
I've got the real deal Bach Strad. Model 37 Elkhart Silver plated and I have a lacquer plated one the same model vintage 1970's
Always keep in mind that the quality fluctuation for chinese instruments is awful. It's not like they're selling under a brand name they could potentially damage, so I guess they're not seeing a point in decent QA.
It's entirely possible that you were just lucky to get the one good instrument out of a batch and the next guy buying due to your recommendation gets one that's only good for melting down. So it's a bit of a gamble, really. The issue may be alleviated by buying from an importer who does that quality control for you, but that can raise the price substantially (and they will probably not sell under a fake label, but instead try to extablish some kind of 'brand' for their tested imports).
Basically that's the main strength of established brands, they provide a maybe slightly better, but definitely a lot more reliable level of quality.
Sascha Rambeaud extablish? extablish? YOU GOTTA BE SHITTING ME!!!@@
Where was this bought from? I found one on DHGate and it was a similar price and I just got it. Seems almost right. Gonna put it to the test tomorrow. If not, definitely going to return
Update_
Lol it most definitely was fake. Got a refund
So I got one fake Bach Strad37 from Dhgate it plays great and sounds ok but it will never replace the original Bach even though I haven't tried one yet except my TR300 but I will soon but i would recommend it For you if you want to try something new for fun and you can definetly make this trumpet sound beautiful in any type of music
brass players are so judgmental of cheaper instruments, some of these comments are harsh af
Do a video on why trumpet are stored in there case upside down.
我是中国人，并且从事的是乐器相关工作，Bach是很有名的乐器工厂，还有其他国家的有名的品牌，是值得全世界尊敬的，他们制造的乐器不仅仅是一件产品更是这个乐器的文化传承，虽然有些仿制品的工艺也很不错，但是我觉得只要是用别人的品牌（除非有授权）就是很恶劣的行为，应该抵制
bach tr500 is actually a bach trumpet technically .what they are is when the bach company bought a line of chinese instruments and engraved and marketed them under the bach company
Uh, no.
I actually figured it out… major companies downlow… pay Chinese companies to make lower quality of their products… and they get a part of anything bought.
Think about it… why risk copyright infringement? You don’t have to worry about copyrights if you have a deal with the company! They don’t have to discuss it with the public… and you think international lawyers don’t have their hands in it too… we as the consumers have been suckered.
I wonder what the pistons are like on this trumpet. My Sai Musicals euphonium (from India) has brass pistons, and they need lubrication just about every other day. I wonder if the Chinese skimp in this area, too.
no, the valves on this FAR exceed anything made by SAI. But this is an old video, I would no longer recommend something like this for learners.
I wish my actual strad case had a backpack feature.
I've 8 year experience with playing trumpet. Do you think that I annoy this instrument when I buy a fake Bach trumpet?
The octave c he played was sharp because the instrument was not in tune. The main tuning slide was pushed all the way in so that’s why it was sharp
Actually, that would make the other notes sound sharp too. You shouldn't notice a difference since all the notes should be sharp.
I'm a sax player and not sure how I end up here😂 browsing the feeds perhaps?😂😂😂
When the Chinese start to mass produce cars we are all stuffed.
what is the thread of Bach Strad Trumpet Valve Stem ? Thanks
Under regular playing, that thing WILL fall apart or the valves will be shot within 6 months.
Good video. Thanks for posting as I am always curious about the Chinese instruments and copies. Few points: The cleaning rod is for the inside of the valve casings (snake is for the trumpet pipes, etc.) Interesting it has the "TR" on the lead pipe which is a cheaper model made by Bach but definitely no where close to the quality of a Bach Strad. Strad's also have only one spit valve with a rod/nut on the 3rd valve slide ( the screw to keep the slide from moving out is more common on some of the Kanstul Bessons. so looks more like a hybrid TR 500 or older Mercedes Bach model. Real one also has the logo stamped on the bell. Would love to play one next to my real bach to compare. Could be an option. Would also check used trumpets on Ebay as an option - can find some great playing Conns for low $$.