Who Owns Space? | Answers With Joe
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- Опубликовано: 7 ноя 2021
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With more countries flying to space than ever and a private space race in full swing, the legalities around space and space resources are still very much up in the air. There are currently only a few treaties that guide space activity and they are woefully outdated. So that begs the question - who owns space?
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"This act paved the way for companies like Space X and Boeing to ferry crew to the space station. And eventually, Boeing might actually do it." This is Solar Flare level burn and I love it.
Irony. Almost all astronauts have returned from space with the "Overview effect" - "from up there you can't see any borders"... but as it becomes "easier" to get out there, I have a feeling we will start drawing borders again.
“Are we one people, one species? Are we a collection of cultures or nations? Are we just cogs in the wheels of a hyper-corporation?” Play Stellaris and you can be all three!
USA already started the space war.
@@clocktower1164 Did an x-37 snip your tubes while you were looking at Uranus?
@@Gun4Freedom Methinks it was *_your tube_* that was surgically removed.
@@clocktower1164 Good, the Universe will be better off claimed by democracies like US, India, EU, Commonwealth rather than non-democracies and commies.
"Are we one people, one species?"
So, uh, what about aliens, then?"
/me flees! XD
The Expanse is just Alien if they focused more in Weyland-Yutani than the alien.
Bruh. That hit me harder than it should have.
The most impressive thing about this video is the rant about Congress only went for 5 minutes and 23 seconds. ( Insert Randy "Macho Man" Savage clip here)
Plss talk about dying democracy in india its going towards dictatorship and people are not aware of it
Acchually, it’s “The Macho Man” Randy Savage.
@@altortugas5979 I've heard either way. We'll call this disagreement a draw and snap into a Slim Jim in honor of "The Macho Man". Randy would have wanted it that way...
@@johnnygee4206 Oooh yeah, brother, now that's an attitude we can all snap in to.
@@amicloud_yt HaHa! Nice! You did him proud.
it'll all be "common heritage" right up to the moment somebody can actually get their hands on it. it's all "manifest destiny" from there on out
Common heritage until someone finds out they can extract resources from it.
"Common heritage" is tantamount to throwing the resources of the universe away. Nobody will extract resources if they don't get to keep them when they do. The current state of the law is in NOBODY'S interest. We need some sort of "homestead law" whereby those who propose to extract resources can obtain clear title to use/sell them. "Common ownership" of resources has traditionally led to starvation.
I love your avatar, your username, your whole vibe. Flawless!
@@hondaguy9153Yeah, look at The Outer Worlds lmao
This reminds me of the game Terraforming Mars. It’s definitely my favorite board game; you get to play as a corporation with the goal of having the greatest dominance in space.
That game is awesome! :D
I just came here to thank Joe for the “hyper-capitalist president joke. That one got me good 😂. In truth they’ve all been corporate goons for a long as I can remember.
Joe: "Who else wants to see a moon tank?"
Well now I do, tank you Joe
David: “Well now i do”
Toyota: hold my Corolla 🛻🌚 (they are building a really cool lunar lander)
A moon tank could quite easily fire a shell that would go around the entire moon and land back on the moon tank.
Also Joe when space wars break out: (surprised pikachu face)
I would like to see it but I wouldn't want it to exist, am I weird?
@@dragoncongrelos Yes, you are... But who the hell isn't? 🤷♂️
I wanna see zeppelins battling each other in the atmospheres of the gas giants 😃
And watch them get crunched when they lose boyancy.
Omg that so fkn awesome
Also in the atmosphere of Venus.
Brilliant warfare concept! I love it! But where there is an abundance of dense gas to be to be boyant upon you would need to overcome significant gravity to float? My brain hurts now?
That would be very Jules Verne-y
*"Who owns space?"*
That's easy: Whomever can develop their armies to military control outer space. It's that simple.
Exactly, whoever has the force to enforce their claim.
That's not how you use "whom". Quit trying to sound smart.
Easy answer: whoever can enforce their claim.
This is correct.
So, Axis verses Allies part 3 l, this time including Outer Space?
@@shorelockhomes943 right
Let’s get to it, ladies
There will be wars for asteroids once asteroid mining becomes a thing, they hold trillions, sometimes even quadrillions as seen in 16 Pysche which has over $10, 000quadrillion worth of materials.
Joe's calling it now, the future of humanity will come down to a decisive battle between moon tanks and super intelligent AI space lawyers
Oh, shit! Space lawyers! Those are worse than Spaceballs!
😂🖖
Here in, Parties of the first aforementioned, whereby, thus levitated.
So I guess that means I should pivot to lawyer AI development.
🤣😂
You know it’s going to be a good day when Joe starts the week off with a space vid
Always love seeing a new video from you. Keep up the hard work buddy
He called it “Leed’n” but I’ll freaking take it! Let’s go, Joe! Shouting out my city! *cries single tear
I figured I was saying it wrong. :)
@@joescott Here's a tip Joe. Those pesky Germanic names and place names with IE and EI? Always pronounce the second letter e.g. IE as in diesel or EI as in Einstein . HTH.
This is literally describing the entire backstory and setting of The Expanse.
As much as I'd like the Star Trek universe to be the direction that humanity heads in the future, The Expanse is much more likely.
You can’t have glorious space communism without first having glorious earth communism, tovarish.
dibs on the protomolecule!
Have to disagree, it's not Star Trek or The Expanse, think more The Road.
As noted by Joe, there was a lot of bad shiieet that happened before the Federation came to be.
I think Mad Max is the most likely scenario for us.
I think the major test to what will happen with space exploration will be the expiration on Antarctica treaty and how that will be resolved.
Love all the hard work you put into your videos keep up the good work Joe!
Awesome content as always. Funny, entertaining and informative. Keep up the awesome work!
Soon we’ll be probing Uranus.
No U'ranus
It's really easy to declare space "the heritage of all mankind" when there's no viable method for getting any of those resources and space mining is likely something your grandchildren might possibly, someday have to consider thinking about. Unicorns are "the heritage of all mankind" too.
"Heritage of all mankind" kinda true...ohh come on..cant believe no ones brought them up yet...😆 how about adding.."until those little gray space guys come along and not only claim space but us too" 😱 😂🤣🤣
@@mandysmith7619 L opinion
I'm confused. You think space mining and unicorns are...similar in possibility? I think it's time for you to retire from commenting. I'll think of you when I'm riding my genetically engineered unicorn through my space settlement.
I am okay with large corporations taking over space for now
Let them innovate and get us up there first and then deal with it if and when it actually becomes a problem.
We have corporations in industries now that are causing huge problems down here that need to broken up. E.g. Big Tech and Big Pharma
I think it would be awesome if we could not screw up more planets/moons by digging them up, mining and polluting them. We've already made a mess of this planet
astrophysicist here! I was a guest observer on the NASA modified plane called SOFIA, the Stratospheric Observatory for Infrared Astronomy, and despite my pushback, my friends and family like to joke around that Ive been to space, because technically I was above the troposphere, the lowest layer of the atmosphere
my loved ones like to brag that they know someone who went to space so much, that they won't listen when i tell them I haven't been to space
We seem to be awfully in love with being little tribes that constitute bigger tribes. People in the US are "from Alabama" and then "from the Soutn" and then "American". People tend to claim the tribe that makes it easiest on them. I worry that "Terran" or "Earthling" wont matter to most people until there are "Klingons" or "Delian Squids".
You do know its not just the US right?
Terrain and earthling is to small. We are the people of Sol.
You're spot on and it's all to do with a program that evolution gave us called "Tribalism" and that kinda pushes us into little tribes or packs and helps us all get along with each other in our tribes... Sorta lol Your family, for example, is a tribe, your group of friends are a tribe, your county or state is a tribe and so on and so on and Earth wont be united under a single tribe until theres another tribe to compete against that's equally as powerful so an alien race or another human colony on Mars as examples.
I feel that, just like anything in this world that has value, space and its resources will belong to whomever can afford to take it and exploit it.
^This. The answer to Joe's closing question is, "Yes, we'll all be cogs in a giant mega-corp that controls the solar system." :(
AileTheAlien or comparable authoritarian government.
that just how the world works full of exploitations livin in illusions one day we WILL be set free
Exploration of space just for the sake of exploration isn't going to happen. It's too expensive. Notice that it's the superpowers of the Earth that are exploring space? They are doing it because of the opportunity to exploit it. It's an investment in future resource mining. In some ways it's inevitable. I mean, you have to exploit the resources of the Moon and Mars to provide fuel and bases for going further. It's just too expensive to launch from Earth.
"Sometimes we kill each other to push that line a little bit further"
Damn.
Funny map line go brrrrrrrr let me watch it move for a little while longer
when he says it like that it sounds like nothing, but most of the time that "little bit further" was probably the difference between having land to farm and feed those people's families or not
Or even not, like in korea
Who kills and who dies for whom does that line go further?
Every single war ever was due to nationalism and arbitrary borders. That or religion.
The Karman line is the altitude at which the velocity required for aerodynamic lift is greater than the orbital velocity at that altitude.
Im a big fan of the homesteader method of space devision.
Tldr, if you have a permanent structure on the surface of a significantly large body than an area of 10 kilometers around that structure is yours.
If the radius intersects with a preexisting area it stops on that border instead.
My space entrepreneur idea is to make a large gate and put it in the exact orbit of the ISS except going the other direction. Then charge a fee everytime the ISS needs me to open the gate.
I mean Cowboy Bebop could be a reality, just sayin
Other animals put lines up exactly like us: territory. Our behaviour is just like almost every other animal on the planet. We just have technology
Exactly...many animals put up scent markers to let others know it's their area. Since we see better than we smell we make lines or fences or barriers we can see.
It's almost as if....maybe...just maybe..we can and should do better than animals?
@@tony6795 In what regard? To say animals don't draw up boundaries and defend them to the death is not the world I live in. I seen enough Marlin Perkins Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom in my day to know better than that. Ask ole Jim, God rest his soul, had the scars.
@@jeffhoward1222 Welp, nevermind then.
@@tony6795 If you want us to be better than the animals then let's not spend money on getting pandas to mate and instead cut our birth rates and deforestation of the world.
“Are we one people, one species? Are we a collection of cultures or nations?" Are we humans... or are we dancers!? (Okay, I'll see myself out...)
The best form of law to go into is Cole's Law. It covers the regulation of finely-shredded cabbage.
If it's like fishing I can't wait for when China suddenly "finds" ancient maps that show they actually own large parts of space
Speaking of ownership - have you spoken to anybody from Puerto Rico lately?
@@JohnnyWednesday the US keeps giving them the choice to have independence, become a state, become a protectorate, or keep things how they are… they keep voting for keeping things how they are. So it’s not that they don’t keep getting a choice every 10-20 years
@@JohnnyWednesday What about Puerto Rico? Did someone try to abolish private property there?
@@maxlee3838 - That wasn't the case but a few decades ago. Many of the people who blocked their independence still sit within your house. Hawaii don't get a choice either - the world knows it's because it's a vital strategic military base for controlling the Pacific. Don't forget you just spent 2 decades occupying another country - after spending 2 decades occupying another country before that - and you support the occupation of Palestine.
When you compare all of that to China building islands off their coast? I find the anti-chinese sentiment to be blatantly the work of those suffering from cognitive dissonance.
maybe they are starting to search for these ancient maps right now
Paused the interview with Andy Weir to pop over and watch this. Loving all the work you're putting in, Joe! Keep it up man.
How did you reply 1 day ago if video is uploaded 1 hr ago
@@kirtijhaa9740 You should be a Patreon member, you get to watch the videos earlier. Worth it.
@@august1871 i get it thanks ⚽🐒
Great video, as usual!
Hey Joe, you might look into the international cooperation/legal framework in Antarctica which is in many ways a great analog for space.
Oh my god!
This is the first time someone talking about the star trek utopia mentioning how it's actually built on top of a massive dystopian bedrock
And Kudos to him referencing the book too.
Credit to my writer for that one. ;)
@@joescott :O
First time I get a reply from a youtuber.
Calm down, don't get overexcited
"Countries" and "ownership" are societal constructs that would be nonsensical if extended into space. You "own" what you can control. Which is why the largest empires usually had the largest armies.
First country (or corp) to build rail guns on the moon will call dibs. Any anyone who disagrees gets a 10 kilo slug of tungsten drop shipped to them.
Orbits is an interesting concept. A higher orbit is slower than a lower orbit. What do you do when you slowly orbit past (beneath) another country's space station? Are you violating space? who owns the orbit? Especially popular orbits like geosynchronous or Lagrange points (which are more areas). It's gonna be sorted by aggression, by "Me stronger! I own you!" Not saying it's nice, or polite, or reasonable, but when you are stronger, by definition you dominate.
By the same logic, the country that puts the most resource into starting space will impoverish themselves in the process, and will need the protection of the orbital domination. Sounds like an interesting history.
@@TylerBridwell You don't "drop" things in space, if you want them to hit something else. You have to launch them. You may de-orbit a tungsten rod with a modest push, if you don't mind a looong spiralling trajectory with poor target accuracy. An intercontinental ballistic rocket will be faster, cheaper and more precise.
@@hermanrobak1285 "Drop shipped" from a rail gun would be a little more than a gentle push. Read the comment before you correct it.
Rockets on land should be slower than space rail guns potentially.
@@KillaBitz Putting a railgun *with its gargantuan power supply* in orbit would be even more tedious and expensive. A Lunar railgun built on the Moon, maybe. But Moon-to-Earth plinking will hardly be faster than Earth-to-Earth. The slug has to be quite big to make it through the atmosphere. That makes it impractical to accelerate it to dozens of times Lunar escape velocity.
A *practical* railgun will be slower, that is. Then again, if a kiloton slug is incoming, stationary assets may be doomed, even with several hours' notice.
This episode topic was like 90% of what season 2 of MARS was all about. Side note: HIGHLY recommend checking that show out if you are interested in issues regarding colonizing space.
"In the far future, as we expand out into the..."
Yeah. I don't have much faith that we (or life on Earth in general) makes it past the next few decades.
"Space is our common heritage"
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Unless you find oil up there
In that case its up to the United States military to bring democracy to space :)
If there is oil in space then you better be watching out for the united states of space to bring some real democracy to earth.
now imagine what an actual mindfuck finding oil in space would actually be
that would confirm ancient organic life existed
it would change everything
@@matheussanthiago9685 Whoa never thought about it in that way! But yeah that would change everything
Joe: "Who else wants to see a moon tank?"
Me: "Well Joe, I want to see a mobile suit."
Good point, how about we start there.
The Martian armor used in the expanse is pretty tank-ish. 😅
Gundam battles in space!
Who ever gets up there and can sustain themselves (including defense) owns that spot in space. I, for one, look forward to knew countries forming.
The treaty banning weapons in space has had the unfortunate effect of stopping the development of nuclear propulsion.
And it's worth noting that the Russians have carried firearms in their capsules, since they land in Siberia and wolves often show up before the ground crew.
Didnt the soviet space station have a 23mm dual cannon on one of its modules? A 23mm cannon capable of being effective in space?
The USSR used a tail gun from a bomber and proved it was effective in space by firing it (Twice I think)
After the moon tank joke I was half expecting you to go "this episode sponsored by world of tanks".
Dat funny.. Just Joe wouldn't stoop so low, he seems to have a heart
Moon of Tanks
The Chieftan's vid on moontanks is in the pipeline.
I was genuinely under the belief that I owned it. Well, this is awkward :\
Mr. Wednesday I will offer you 13 potatoes and 2 peas for 12,000 square miles of moon property. Awaiting your response.
You, too? 🤣😂🤣
@@SquirrelDarling1 - We at moons'r'us PLC tentatively accept your offer of 13 potatoes and 2 peas - however we reserve dancing rights upon the property.
let's go brandon!!
@@JohnnyWednesday I would like to bid 1 bushel of potatoes and a pound of peas. However I shall require transfer of dancing rights.
GM already has a moon tank entering production. It's called Hummer EV
It's actually crazy that we're having these kinds of conversations. Craaaazy stuff man.
This is the best video on the topic since Vsauce did his Who Owns the Moon video a few years ago. But Joe here points out elements that remind me of Avatar and the history of western civilization that went on following a consistent pattern: Explore, occupy, claim, exploit, consume, move on to the next target.
"It belongs to all of us" - Surely it's this attitude that is truely flawed...it "belongs" to no-one, we are just visitors.
Says the human.
@val77 obvs ;-)
@@ryankuchinskas That's the spirit.
I love your content!
That’s it. I’m signing up for curiosity stream and nobody can stop me. Joe you won. You’re the first you tuber that got me to actually sign up for a new subscription. And I don’t regret it at all. Wanted to make sure I waited till your link renewed so you get a portion :))
Fun fact Joe, acronyms like the SPACE and PATRIOT act are called backronyms.
Absolutely fantastic video as always!
Very interesting and to a point disturbing questions. I sincerely hope we will go as one but I sadly very much doubt it.
I have a feeling it will be a little bit of both of the last two options, squabbling nations and massive mega corps.
Thank you for all your videos!
I was totally going to say this makes me think of The Expanse a couple of minutes before you referenced it haha
You should name your podcast Words With Joe, love your work!
I mean... that's actually really good advice about getting into space law. Just like fifteen years ago everyone was like "Get into geriatric care... the boomers are about to zerg rush the medical field!"
Forget common space law - space insurance is where the money's at ;)
@@JohnnyWednesday Now I'm thinking about funeral services. People will die a lot in space. "We will bury you in 100% Earth's earth for just 9999999,99 Space Credits it's cheaper then a galon of milk on Enceladus!!!"
Zerg Rush!!
"When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that name everything, the IBM Stellar Sphere, the Microsoft Galaxy, Planet Starbucks..."
There'll probably be memes in specs. The shiba inu system🙃
Great quote, great film.
"When deep space exploration ramps up it'll be the corporations that name everything. The IBM stellar sphere, the Microsoft galaxy, planet Starbucks."
Fight Club
Joe, you should acquaint yourself with the Rules of Acquisition as followed by the Ferengi, with rule number 0 being "What the Nagus wants, we acquire." I understand that the Nagus wants more than just tanks on the moon because as rule number 10 states: "Greed is eternal."
The Outer Worlds by Obsidian explores the concept of megacorporation owned space colonies quite well
So does Aliens.
Space fish gave me instant flashback to Futurama: We're whalers on the Moon. We carry a harpoon. But there ain't no whales, so we tell tall tales, and sing our wailing/whaling tune.
Then this cop will come down the street, crazy as a loon, and throw you all in jail for carryin' harpoons.
"Is history going to repeat itself?" ... wait, before I watch any further ... yes.
Spoiler
Well done Joe. Nicely presented. You make me want to ramble, but to save time I just put this short hello. It's all the same to the algorithm.
"Who wants to see a Moon Tank?"
Me. I want to see a Moon Tank. And i will now probably use my (albeit limited) engineering experience to try and come up with a design.
First question to answer: Manned or drone tank?
@@bramvanduijn8086 - It's the moon! All you need is a trebuchet and a barrel of TNT
You could probably shoot all the way around the moon and into your back, with enough calculations and precise barrels
Liquid oxygen is pretty easy to get. I suggest using a pneumatic motor for propulsion and an air cannon for the weapon system. The cryogenic properties of lox enable protection from thermal effects such as lasers.
Ownership (of anything) is a subjective question, even though we pretend it’s objective with deeds, titles, courts, etc... still just a matter of opinion *which* deed, title, or court is legit.
@RobertRagnarsson i like big stick
@RobertRagnarsson "Space law" I see your Schwarts is bigger than mine; let's see how you handle it!
Money is subjective, laws and morals too
Dude I love the shots of Mr. John B Allen in this video!! Go Joe!!
I feel like the main reason why countries are so hesitant to sharing space resources is because they know that if the resources are shared fairly, money would eventually become, not only a thing of the past, but the thing that held us back. They're afraid that their whole world will crumble
Me as a dutchman hearing you say Leiden is very funny🤣🤣
I was like Leeden?.. ah he means Leiden (pronounced as Ly den).
I went like: Where? Don´t we have that in Leiden? Oh, Duh
🤦♂
I own an acre on Mars, I plan on building a not-Amazon fulfilment center on it.
Who owns it? Whomever gets there first with the most firepower. That’s how we’ve done it since, well, forever.
Exactly. There are no rules, only suggestions
Which is why we suck.
Joe! Got a question for ya! Can you do a video of the quietest room on a earth? They say the longest anyone has stayed there is 45 mins... it's so quiet you can hear most of your own organs .. at about -9.5 decibels ...need to know more! Lol thanks! Love the channel!
4:31 - I'm right there with ya
The only problem with Joe's videos is that they end too soon.
hey Joe can you make a video on the shipping containers shortage
and love your videos, it shows how much effort you put into them keep going ❤️
I've never heard of this until now, now I'm curious. Time to lose my night
Imagine requesting videos, also there's kinda a shortage on staff, and ships, and the materials the ships are shipping, or in some cases there's too much of a material that the supply chain gets bloated. It's really interesting that the knock on effect is still going on after lockdown 1
@@copjing oh it's a rabbit hole
my dad was telling me all about it cause he is a C&F agent and I was just blown away at the scale and reality of the whole thing
by reality I mean how it affects normal daily life
(hurriedly throws sheet over shipping containers) shipping container shortage?
@@priyaalrachh4288 It is a terrible situation, companies are suddenly flying in all their goods because they can't afford or find shipping containers in the harbours where their goods are.
Only a few mins in but the books/tv show the expanse comes to mind
I think we already have a pretty good framework for the peaceful exploration of space. The problems are the consequences of this framework.
We start by defining ownership: that to which you use, delimit, and protect.
So just throwing a flag on the moon would not characterize it as owning it. Nor exploring one part of the moon and claiming all of it.
Another part of the framework is about how things change from unowed to owned. Under this framework there are only 2 ethical ways to have ownership over something:
-You either mixed your work with a resource in its natural state, effectively extending your being towards it. From that moment it can be owned (given you use, demit and defend). Also called original appropriation
-Or you can voluntarily transfer ownership of something acquired that was acquired through original appropriation.
Any other way to acquire resources would involve aggression which would only generate more conflicts rather than solving them, hence being unethical. Btw, we have to remember that the whole concept of ownership is to solve conflicts. If resources were infinite, there would be no need for any ownership of anything.
All good and all, but the problems are the consequences of this framework when you look back at Earth. That's when you start to separate those that believe that "no ends justify the means" from those that think that "the ends justify the means". With those from the second group enabling all the atrocities humans did and could do, just need a good enough end, then everything goes.
The end always justifies the means comrade, the hated capitalists can never be allowed to exploit resources, us socialists must exploit them first to prevent capitalists.
@@palladin9479 Cant argue with this logic, comrade. The whole universe shall be destroyed before we leave anything to those capitalists. All for the glory of mother russia!
Darth Vader as a lawyer: the pen is mightier than the lightsaber.
"...Another blood soaked gold rush." Jim Holden. The Expanse.
I don't think it actually has moon tanks, but I would recommend the movie Iron Sky to anyone who's into that idea.... :D
Moon tank. Man, that seemed ultra Texan to me as a native myself.
On a serious note, I think we will keep fighting until no humans remain.
"It was this hypercapitalist president"
Lol not enough likes I can give Joe.
When was the last time the US _didn't_ have a hypercapitalist president?
@@lonestarr1490 - Right? those guys love owning stuff! well - other than their mistakes.
@@lonestarr1490 It never has had. We'd be better off, otherwise. Capitalism fuels freedom, if you can keep the effing government out of it.
@@UncleKennysPlace ok.........................
@@UncleKennysPlace - Why would capitalism care about you? you don't contribute anything of worth - ergo your opinion doesn't matter. Enjoy your freedom :D
I use the game Stellaris to simulate these exact questions, along with many more existential ones. Having players come into the game representing whatever civilisation they choose, to play out these GLORIOUS questions; are we capable or growing beyond ourselves? If so, separately or together; destruction, coexistence, assimilation? What economic system shapes humankind into a macro body, like the human body on the microcosm. Will soon find out more 😊 thanks Joe. Informative and thought provoking as ever.
The Karman line is actually the approximate altitude (rounded) at which in order for an aircraft to achieve enough light to keep flying, you'd have to be flying at orbital velocity.
6:57 Been reading Moby Dick?
That's pretty much exactly how Herman Melville, through the voice of Ishmael, distills Sir William Blackstone's writings on property law. Fast-fish (a whale in the physical possession of a ship that claims ownership of it) and loose-fish (a whale not in anyone's physical possession, regardless of who claims ownership, and thus can belong to whomever takes possession of it first).
Why would a whale want a ship? Who would benefit from whales owning ships? How would that work?
@@shorelockhomes943 Reading comprehension, my friend.
"X in possession of Y" ≠ "X in THE possession of Y"
The first means that X possesses Y, the second means Y possesses X. The definite article "the" acts as a possessive determiner. While the sentence could have been structured more directly ("Y possesses X"), I chose a word order to indicate that X and X's status is the main topic of discussion instead of Y, even though Y is performing the action on X.
@@davidg5898 okay. Have fun retyping everything I did in a correct format. I'm not getting paid or graded on this. I appreciate your advice. However, what makes you think I didn't mean it as a riddle? What makes you think that I (with respect) care about non Middle English Spelling and grammar when 99 out of 100 people are still able to get the just of what I said?
@@davidg5898 I don't know, but I had to read it a couple of times, as it was ambiguous. "(a whale in the physical posession of a ship...)" can be interpreted 2 ways, and the addition of the second half makes it sound like a successful slave revolt.
@@CAMacKenzie OMG. How is this an issue? Do they not teach how to read anymore?
That little "the" is a possessive determiner that defines which is the possessor and which is the possession. There is *literally* only one grammatically correct way to interpret that phrase. Ambiguous would be if I wrote "a whale with a ship" or "a ship with a whale" which can both mean the same thing or two different things.
As far as the question you posed for us in the comments, we are not "one people".
Humanity is made up of nation states and for the foreseeable future, it will remain that way. Maybe 5000 years in the future humanity will be homogenized enough to be united in pursuit of a new frontier like space, but not within the lifetimes of any of our children's children's children. Probably not even within the lifetime of our own nations.
What the consequences of that will be I don't know, but I think any idea of a world government or whatever is required for such large scale cooperation among the human race is overly optimistic.
Good point. I'd further argue that the only way we form a global government over nation states is for all nation states to simultaneously face a threat that is greater than the sum of all other threats each separate nation state faces. I'm betting this will manifest as an impending extinction-level event and, even then, only if we have the science to detect it before it actually ends life on Earth as we know it.
The problem with this theory is that there is a significant portion of the human race that needs human extinction to occur so that their Rapture can happen.
sad but true
Joe, I don’t know if you’re ever gonna see this. This is also my first ever RUclips comment but I’d just like to say, thank you. You and your videos have helped me through some really tough times and you’re the only channel I will get onto RUclips to watch as soon as a video comes out. Keep doing you. Keep up the good works. From down under in Aus!
Hey Joe, can you talk about the Moon Pirates in Ad Astra and how ridiculous they are and why the pirate in the Expanse make more sense.
Thanks, Joe.
We as human beings DO NOT SUCK!
Our amazing abilities, skills and knowledge allow this channel to exist!
Be proud of humanity!!!!!!
Indeed, it took some incredible advancements to realize we suck.
Fuck humans, the world is simultaneously on fire and drowning and we're here pretending as if the people we put into space aren't going to be the lucky survivors while everything down here goes to shit.
@@bramvanduijn8086 we have the power to destroy the world
“We as human beings… uh… SUCK”
Bravo
This opens up an interesting question: If Spacex establishes a colony on Mars, who owns that place? And has Spacex to file for approval by the UN first?
LoL! If there's a rock that sticks above the surface of the ocean, you can claim it. That' fish law.
"The earth is but one country and mankind it's citizens." The Baha'i Faith
You can really only "own" something if a governing body recognizes that ownership, now thats doesnt pervent someone from taking and using resources its just they wont have a legal claim over it if someone else goes and starts using it too
..... or, if you can yourself enforce your ownership.
E.g. there are a bunch of variously autonomous/warlord controlled regions in troubled countries around the world. They tend not to be recognized by international bodies for good reasons... yet practically speaking they do "own" whatever part of the world in which they operate and can use force to assert their self-proclaimed ownership.
If/when we DO have a sizeable presence in space, it's doesn't seem too hard to me to image that in remote corners of our reaches, someone someday will make a similar play. E.g if I have the most people, the most ships and the most stuff in general on Mars, or some asteroid in the belt, who's going to enforce ownership (or lack of ownership, if we end up keeping stuff common goods)? If I'm 6+ months away from any meaningful intervention from anyone, what prevents me from declaring that this part of mars/asteroid all of a sudden isn't collective but mine only?
And I'm not even saying I'd have to have a militarized ship of some sort to do that. Just using numbers to deny access might be enough.
I'm sure smart people will come up with solutions to that. Or we'll just militarize the heck out of space as well.
@@logiconabstractions6596 well of course, I was speaking in the legal sense, out there you're definitely dealing with bigger army diplomacy, though I dont know if i would use the term "own" because that has moral weight behind it while what you're describing is more akin to holding a territory or a resource until someone with more power takes it from you
@@logiconabstractions6596 That's not really an "or", because JACKrandOmSYMBOLS didn't say that _you_ and _the goverining body_ have to be mutually distinct entities.
@@logiconabstractions6596 - You should study the British Empire and the age of sail - 6 months away from intervention just means that A LOT of ships will arrive in 6 months. Plus if they declare it theirs? then no country will buy their products - or send them supplies.
They'd better hope that when they make a grab for that distant asteroid? that they don't need anything else from Earth.
@@lonestarr1490 yeah I mean if mcdonalds settles a astroroid and has a bunch of mcnukes to defend it with, whelp i guess they can have that astroroid lol
'Who else wants to see a moon tank?" You've obviously never read Fiasco by Stanislaw Lem. Do it. You won't want to see a Moon anything after that.
Suggestion for new topic: yearzones. As time zones work on earth, it won’t feel good to count earth years for a colony on mars. Will they use mars years since first person on the planet? That means all planetary colonies will have different years and we travel between yearzones.
How will computers handle this? All encryption is based on the year. Maybe we use linuxtime instead, a number of megatics after a set date? I suggest this start date is first foot on other planet (not moon).
That Macho Man clip is worth everything, omg
Straight up thought it said "who owns Spice?"
- yes I've watched Dune twice already
Fremen
House Atreides of course
We'll let World War 3 decide that
Personally, I feel as though only the groups and powers that actually make it to space should have any sway in what goes on up there.
Excellent video, Joe and not only informative but I love your narration peppered with the right amount of sarcasm, which actually enhances the point you're trying to make. Well done!
Joe, your lone hair had me thinking I had a rogue hair wandering around on my screen