GeForce RTX 4080 worth buying for the 16GB of VRAM?
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- Опубликовано: 7 окт 2023
- Today Steve and Tim discuss whether the RTX 4080 and it's 16gb of VRAM makes it a worthy choice fro gamers in 2023, despite it's high price point.
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Is a GeForce RTX 4080 worth buying for the 16GB of VRAM?
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The 3080 was 700 USD. Add around 18% for inflation, and that would be about 825 USD, and that would be an excellent product. Against AMD's current pricing, 900 would still be very competitive. Even 1000 would be somewhat competitive against the 7900 XTX. At around 1100 or more, you're paying a big premium for DLSS and better ray tracing performance, but WORSE Vram capacity and WORSE standard raster performance.
I do think that a 4080 at $1100 compared to a 7900 XTX at $1000 still makes sense for the Nvidia features and lower power draw, anymore and it’s just not worth it. VRAM really isn’t a huge deal when it’s at 16GB, especially when 4K upscaling is almost identical to native in IQ.
That said, if Nvidia and AMD weren’t selling GPUs for 3x the MSRP in the last few years, the 4080 would have came out for around $850, while the 7900 XTX have to be around $750.
Wrong. Overpriced
@@lifemocker85 ok
@@southwarzone8894 WRONG.
@@person1745no
I was thinking of going back to Nvidia GPUs since I appreciate Ray Tracing and DLSS. But the pricing and lower VRAM ruined it for me. Got a Powercolor Red Dragon RX 6800 XT instead. 🔥🐲
Just saw a bench between the 308010Gb and the 7800XT, those cards are neck o neck and of course on Rt the 3080 still has the advantage.
You're the man, I intend to go with 6800 too. First comparisons with 7800xt kind of hinted at similar performance with it.
16GB is plenty. It’s only recently become that 8GB is no longer enough in certain games for 1440p or 4k settings. Baldur’s Gate and Starfield are titles I’ve been playing and they don’t even hit 8GB at 1440p ultra settings. Also we’re not going to see a new console generation until 2028 so we have to keep in mind that most of the games coming out still have to run on the PS5 and XSX.
Indeed. The current consoles only have 16 GB of shared ram too.
I bought a 7900XTX for 12000NOK. instead of 15000NOK for a 4080.
playing on my 8K QN900A which i got for 17999 instead of original MSRP of 70000 NOK :)
24GB v-ram is really nice for 8K and rather than spend almost twice for a 4090 this card is a beast
@@Kicker-fe8kw😂
If you do genration to generation comprasion answers is clear. 4080 is a bad value card currently.
7800XT watching silently in the corner.
- Count -Dooku- 7800XT roasting the 4080: twice the price, double the fail!
- 4080: ಥ_ಥ
Most graphic cards will run well out of horse power before they ever get to use 16gb of vram
@@MrAckers75 Probably. But the question was "worth buying for the 16gb of vram". Furthermore on that point, what matters isn't when you'll "use 16GB" , but rather when you're using more than the alternative. 10 or 14GB is all the same to 16GB, but not so for 12GB.
I agree with Tim wholeheartedly... the maximum price for the 4080 should be 700 dollars....
I have a 7900xt so biased but having to compromise due to vram at the high end pricing should not even occur. 4080 is the lowest end card i’d consider from Nvidia.
yep.
Got my 4070Ti for $730 last week. The cheapest 4080 was $1080, almost 50% more cost for 25% perf 😂
25% more performance and 50% more VRAM but I do agree the 4080 is overpriced. I got a 7900 XTX for $800. It has 50% more VRAM than a 4080 😂
@@rkeith7766 Yeah XTX is awesome, my last 3 gpus were AMD so I wanted NV features this time lol
@@rkeith7766it's about 50% more performance though
Im about to get a whole brand new setup after 6 years with my 1080 and i7-6800k and i have not been keeping up to date until a few weeks ago regarding hardware so lots of fun reseach has been done, you guys have been very helpful!
Im going for the 4080 or the 4070-Ti paired with either a i5-13600k or a i7-13700k for a setup with one 4k monitor and a 1080p ultrawide aswell. The setup will be used for gaming, streaming and alot of video editing in 1440p. A few questions for anyone willing to give thier opinions:
1. What combo of GPU & CPU would you recommend? I think the i5 will be fine for a 4080 given my 4k setup. Or do i still need to get the i7 to prevent any bottleneck?
2. Ive seen some benchmarks showing the i5 having better 1% lows than the i7 in games like CSGO. What is this about?
3. Im looking to give the CPU a medium overclock and i have never overclocked before. How much do you think i can crank it up without even needing to test for stability?
4. The i7 draws alot more power at maximum. Does this mean less room to overclock than the i5? And about the whole cpu bending issue, how much of a problem is this really? Going for a z790 MBO and an AIO watercooler if that makes any difference :p
I'm no expert but pretty sure the i7 and 4080 will be great together. I have a i7 11700k and I just ordered a new gigabyte rtx 4080 gaming oc gpu to go with it, and I'm thinking about waiting until the next gen i7 comes out before I upgrade cpu again but there's nothing wrong with 13700 cpu.
1. If you only upgrade every 6 years and want to game at 4K then splurge on the 4090, especially if you game or plan to game at 120/144hz+. The 13600k will be fine for gaming.
2. Those are old numbers that have most likely been resolved through microdcode updates.
3. The 13700k and 13600k are not worth overclocking. Both of them are already cranked out of the box and you'll only gain low single-digit improvements. The 13700k is also way too hot to OC so if you're thinking of OCing a few years down the road to get any meaningful performance - don't.
Get the $7 Thermalright contact frame and a GPU support/riser instead of ever having to find out.
@@icanseeall-inthisreality Sweet! Yeah i heard 14th gen is out in like a week so maybe ill get that aswell :)
@@calvin659 Thanks alot for the reply, very helpful! Yeah i think i will try and overcome my fears and install a contact frame haha
I have a i5-13600k and there is no bottleneck w/my Gigabyte OC RTX4080, I play@4k60fps ultra usually....the 14th gen i5 is not a bad option either :)
Just built a new gaming pc with 7800x3d and 4080, after my first build done in 2016 (i6 6700k - 1070) was starting to show its time. I have to agree prices for 4080 are absolutly mental its insane but I didn’t want to put in the extra 400€ for a 4090 because buying 4080 was already stretching it, I wish prices were at least 400€ less for a 4080, I had this rig for 1 week and I am already thinking if going for 7900xtx would had been a better choice
I guess it depends on what deal you can find, i got my XTX for a 4070Ti’s price so it really was a no brainer even though i would have preferred a 4080. The price premium at that time was just insane, about 400 dollars worth more.
I also have the 7800x3d so I was thinking to upgrade my 3070 to a 4080 or a XTX. Can you tell me what games do you play and what are your average fps with what quality? Do you feel like it was worth itv
@@iamdaviddrew well for the price I say not worth it, but the card is powerful, i had it for like a week where I played not that much but I can say cod warzone everything maxed out 3440x1440 (uwqhd 21:9 sansung oled g8) i am at 175 fps
That is why I got the 7900XTX
Same. I could care less about Ray Tracing. The only thing I care about is pure rasterisation and as much vram I can get in 2k gaming. 7900xtx has been perfect for this.
With the rumoured 4080 Ti coming at the same price of the 4080, one can just hope 4080 will fall under 1000$...
They will sell out the channel first....
Theres also the 4070 16gb incoming
So after months, if not years of blatant price gouging even amidst increasing competition, you wanna believe that Nvidia will release a 'new' product at a higher spec with the same pricing as that of the old one?! Lmao is this delusion or is this love? Haha 😂
I am very fascinated to see what pricing nvidia do for the 5080. Will they go even higher, or pull it back? Going higher will make them even more unbuyable valuewise, but going back will be a tacit admission they f**ked up. And would also crush down on all the 40 sereis cards still collecting dust on shelves.
They did it with rtx 3000 series compared to rtx 2000 series.
$499 MSRP 3070 was about as fast as $1199 MSRP 2080Ti; 3080 was faster than that, and faster than ludicrously priced RTX Titan, for $699 MSRP. The only outlier was rtx3090, but it was a replacement for Titan class.
But then mining craze happened, and all went to shіt.
Australia is F*#Ked for GPU's would be nice if Steve and Tim from time to time reflected the costing we australians need to buy the cards for. 4080 starts at $1800 AUD.
At the end of this year I will be building a new computer using a 7800xt graphics card.
GPU prices in Australia are a joke. 4080's are between $1,999 and $2,499 (it has custom Noctua cooling). At this price, you can pick up whole prebuilt computers - with 3070 /4070 cards. Even taking into consideration exchange rates, I'm yet to hear a convincing argument for GPU prices in Australia. It doesn't cost that much to ship them.
Bro I never thought about the pricing for other countries. Wow bro 2k is absolutely absurd! I hope you have the option to buy a 4090 online from another country and just pay shipping for that crazy price.
That's why the Fed needs to increase interest rates higher to cool the inflation. It should be more like 30% interest at this point. You see everything going up in prices.
Max settings with path tracing I’m using less than 5GB of VRAM on Cyberpunk 2077. Maybe some of these games just have terrible optimization.
I would wait next gen
Nvidia really need to up the 70s cards next gen to be 16gb and AMD needs 8800xt to be better then 7800xt is compared to 6800xt
Comments are full of people doing their best justifying their $1100 4080 purchases haha
Love to see it. All of the “don’t fall into this pricing” really worked huh
Been absolutely loving the Zotac 4080. Card doesn’t even sniff 300 watts
That's because you paid £1200 for a 4070 lol
@@sgt_major8419 Why you pocket watching ?
@@sgt_major8419well no actually, that person paid for what Nvidia was going to call a 4080 Ti 🤷🏻♂️ because the 4070 Ti is the 4080.
@@FirestormX9 lol true😜, just as bad...
@@sgt_major8419 wellllllll xD i dunno man, factually speaking, affordability and value are relative. Like, its not even about extreme differences like $2000 for someone with $200,000 to spare. But even for someone with just $10000, that 2000 will value differently and what they spend on will differ as well. I mean, there are people who would think its okay to spend $2000 on a phone but a $2000 pc would be crazy.
I got a RTX 4080 (PNY version) this year. Yep, it's over-priced, "bad value", but outstanding card for everything I throw at it @1440p ultra and 4k native....love the DLSS3/raytracing. Please don't agree..😂
Its great but im very salty about the price I paid for it. I also bought the 4070ti to test out and it gives me 80-90% of the performance I'm looking for for $400 less. Im just trying to hold out for the 4080TI at this point in early 2024. Thank god for Best Buy Total's 60 day return window. I'll return one or the other and wait to buy on Black Friday in November and maybe even return whatever i buy then so that i can either get the 4080 at a discount when Nvdia does an official price drop or when the 4080TI comes out, hopefully with 20GB of VRAM for some actual future proofing. I'll still be looking to upgrade to the 5080 or 5090 depending on performance and price
Should be 500-600 bucks
I paid 1000 bucks for a 2080 Asus Strix back in the day
oh but you bought it in the crisis where every gpu cost so much
4080 worth for 1440p ???
Its a shame because the past 2 GPU's I've had were a 780 ti & 1080. Its looking like the xx70 Ti range is where I'm going to be comfortable from now on ~£700-800. Probably going to hold out for a 5070 Ti.
Im not comfortable with that.
Used to be £350 to £400. It shouldn't be double. Remember the are talking in dollars. £800 is a $1000
4070 Ti is a rip off. 4070 non-Ti is more sensible, but still overpriced. It's viable going for that for a year and a half - 2 years and then just selling it when the new GPU's get released.
Think we all remember how it used to be price wise, it's why it's a shame, £700-800 should be xx80 card pricing. I think I'd rather the rx7800xt over the standard 4070, seen a few charts showing the 4070 below the rx7800xt, in RT benches it's better but I'm not fussed.
@@KPAki1Ler I do like the theoretical performance of the 7800XT over the 4070, but in reality there are more driver-related issues with AMD cards than Nvidia. I know this from a friend of mine + there's lots on forum posts about how they have issues.
I've never had an issue with an Nvidia card though.
@@benjamind547 I just thought I'd give them a try as my first 4 GPU's were ATi, but then again I can't afford anything right now, so it'll be next year before I can get a new GPU
You say there are many other products to consider buying if that was our main consideration...
I'm curious such as??
As far as I'm concerned there isn't. The 4060ti16gb is shite and there are no other cards besides 7800xt which I'm not keen on.
Swear I already watched this a few days ago
Should I buy the 7800 XT or should I go for a 6750 XT or perhaps the 7700 XT? I'll be doing emu such as the RPCS3 and perhaps play MW3, SFVI and maybe titles such as God of War Ragnarok, RE4 Rem and streaming too. I was thinking about the 7800 XT for future proof but I can't decide clearly. I hope someone can help me get the best choice. I have a 5800X CPU and 550 euro as budget. Cheers, mates!
The 7800 XT is about 43% faster than the 6700 XT, with 33% more vram, a newer architecture, and also typically better quality coolers than many models of the 6700 XT. The difference in price over the 6700 XT honestly isn't actually that much higher considering that big improvement in performance, vram capacity, and features. If you actually care about streaming as well, then the 7800 XT is even better, because it has a better encoder than all of the 6000 series cards as well.
It is a very good 1440p card, but it can definitely run a lot of games even at 4k, sometimes even with no upscaling at all (but using upscaling at 4k is probably usually going to be worth it, especially if you use the highest FSR quality setting).
Since you will be doing streaming, I'd go with either 7700 XT or the 7800 XT because of the AV1 encoder. And if you can find a 7800 XT that fits your budget, that would be my choice, it's gonna serve you longer with the extra VRAM and raw power
I have the 7800 XT and it has been outstanding. Day 1 drivers were relatively painless with a single occurrence of a green system crash that was resolved easily with a restart and likely had more to do with how shit Starfield's performance has been. Every game I've thrown at it has either held a consistent 60FPS or pushed upwards of 200+ frames depending on the game. I've streamed a few times and the AV1 encoding makes a notable improvement over my old card. Not to mention you'll have 16GB VRAM so you won't have to worry about the card's longevity. I have nothing but praise for this and I'd say that aside from the now heavily discounted and steadily dropping price of the 7900 XT, the 7800 XT is the best value card for this generation and for anyone looking to upgrade from a 20 series or 5000 series card.
I've got an ITX system and I bought the Sapphire Pulse model. It's had great temps, undervolting/overclocking is easy to do in AMD's Adrenalin software, and I can hardly hear it even when the fans kick in. If you've got a larger system, then the models I'd recommend are the PowerColor Hellhound, Sapphire Nitro+, and XFX Speedster MERC319. They've got great coolers and the designs look beautiful in any case. The 7800 XT should also pair well with your 5800X. I've got an i5-12600K myself and it's been great, no bottlenecks.
Good luck, friend!
Stupid to get under 16gb gpu in 2020s
In my opinion, I think the 7800 xt is the best bang for your buck.
7800 xt peeks
Spot on, should have been $700.
Amd!
we need stop letting vendors giving a excuse for game developers for making more terrible run games for both amd and nvidia, just say what it is that amd fans and NVIDIA fans should agree that this is all on Microsoft part of letting game developers to have crappy c++2022 tools to make bad written language game engines ...starfield was good example as case study as only terrible lack luster game that looks like dx11 game titles would look that it would ran better at 200fps under dx11 vs dx12 ran mediocre fps for 7900xtx and 4090 due to bad input from c++2022 programming just spit out repetitive memory leakage cause all cpus to sputter its cores
The 4080 is a joke! It costs more than twice as much as the 4070 and is roughly 58% faster. Price/performance is in the gutter here.
The 4080 actually has better price to performance according to Roman Debaur or whatever his name is. And Google's 1st source states that it's more like 75% more raster, depending on the game.
The 4070 also has less VRAM again and a more cut down BUS.
The 4080 put out 25% more performance than a 3090ti and beats the 7900xtx in about 45% of games.
It runs rings all over the 4070, which is basically just a 3080 again with less power consumption
@@GregoryShtevensh Nope as I've said roughtly 58% more performance and an extra 4 gb of framebuffer, and still nowhere the price to performance of being 200% more expensive.
I’ll go with the 7900xtx
At $1200 the 4080 was an upsell, only made to make more people buy the $1600 4090, Nvidia did the same as AMD with the RX7900XT and XTX.
Nvidia did it first why are you saying it like they followed amd
Amd followed nvidia
@@puffyipsdickride harder. it doesnt matter they both did it
Even at the same price i would not know what to pick, Nvidia used to be the default if prices are the same but in this case im not too sure anymore.
I bought a 4080 for 1175 euro. is the card absolute bad ass? yes. But do i feel bad about buying it? Yea. I can't believe i actually spend this much money on a gpu.
4080@ $799 yes!
I can confidentially say that rtx 4080 is a terrible value product despite having 16g of vram. Why? Because even if the 12gig vram in the 4070 isn't gonna be enough after like 2-3 years for most gamers, after that point just buy something like 6070 or anything else from AMD with the leftover 600 dollars + the interest you get from whatever investment you make of it + the money you make back by selling your current 4070. And I can guarantee you the 6070 or AMD equivalent deal will outperform 4080 in every single way you can possibly imagine. Futureproofing does not make sense if you're paying significantly more amount of money.
16Gb is more than enough for the next 3 years or so, by the time 20Gb are worthy the card would be slow enough not to make good use of it.
The problem is the price. You don't want to spend 1200$ to be forced to upgrade in a couple of years because the card can no longer play highest settings anymore.
@@KarlynGR If Nvidia releases the 4080s at $1000 then that problem will be no longer a concern
today at least 12gb is needed, 16gb is still worth it. even recently i bought 3060 12GB and new games go over 8gb in textures with 1080p. and also thats how i want to play them with high res textures. high res textures dont affect performance if you have enough vram
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@@leroyjenkins0736 lol
It makes me go crazy when i see people say that a gpu over 500$ is a great deal...people mind have been completly corrupted by those last years of nvidia and amd overpricing their gpus.
Worth of 500$€
Crazy that the 4080ti also has only 16..
It has 20gb
@@mitsuhh oh thanks. Then it makes more sense. Hopefully will push down XTX prices 😅
It won't. 4080 Ti won't exist@@delatroy
@@mitsuhh wdym?
Nvidia aren't releasing a 4080 ti. If they do, it will surprise me@@delatroy
699€ is max
4080 ahould be $700 max. Simple as that!
As long as people are willing to shill out stupid amounts of money for Nvidia GPUs Nvidia will be willing to take your cash. I have family and friends that will not buy any other than an Nvidia GPU.
Why not just buy the 4090 at that point
I mean you can fit an entire 4070 in just the price difference between the 4080 and 4090... if someone has that kind of a budget stretch then why even complain about any of the prices?
The 4080 needed to be 20% faster to be $1200. At $1000 its fine, but not at $1200. Even just 20% faster in RT only would be acceptable.
The 4090 should have been $1200...
This is the problem. When people say $1000 is “fine”. The brainwashing is complete. $700 to $1000 in 2 years.... come on, it is never fine. Instead, we should all say and repeat everywhere that the XX80 should cost $600 "AT MOST". Choose between your free will or nvidia marketing department to lead your own subconscious mind. Which one suits you the best guys ? Te be your master or to be a slave, choose and assume it !
I have a 4080 and yes it was over priced at £1180 but man its a great card just eats through every game, i knew what i was paying so the high cost didnt affect my desicion but i fully agree gpu prices are ridicuous.
I bought my 4070 ti for 400 bucks off facebook marketplace literally a week after it came out. So I've been listening to people complain about the price for months, meanwhile I got the best deal I've ever gotten on a gpu lol.
The 4070 normal sells for around $800 -/+ $50 so the 4080 is about 25% better so $1000 -/+ $50 but I do feel that most GPU are over priced by around 25% so by my maths 4070 worth around $600 and the 4080 around $800 but that not going to happen dream on but price have gone up as seen that they charge the extra and people will get pay it.
Therefore the price of GPU has gone up and I do think will go up a lot more we all know there is big buck to made with AI hardware.
So the question I be asking my self can I make do with my current GPU (and for me that was NO so I have upgrade to 7900xtx and by do so I making the bet with self that it will last me around 5 years like old my RX580 8gb did)
But we are getting to point that soon the next generation of GPU will be comming once they out it in past been normal for the older generation hardware price drop (I pay £220 for an 5800x3d which classic example of this) but this is a GAMBLE given that is only so much silcon production and how much of this top end silcon is going to be used for AI and once AI has eat up all of best Silcon and given the fact that top end Nvidia GPU do AI work och that will effect the top of market so the price of older generation of GPU will be effect by this
also i will say this is all true that Microsoft is planning to buy entire amd and valve next few years ...by 2024-2025 Microsoft have total control of pc market from software and hardware unless customers have the power not buy anymore amd products will end microsoft dominance in pc market....cause the way i see it, entire linux community are heading to their demise and doomed after microsoft bought Valve then AMD fans gonna be royal screwed when Microsoft bought AMD that will end linux dominance and place will no longer be in existence as was foretold before and its happening for good reason why Microsoft is making its moves now
However much those who produce it say it’s worth so long as consumers are buying it.
The 4080 has..
Dlss
Higher , 1% percent lows
More efficient power draw
1440 p raytracying sometimes
I feel the 4080 is a waaayy better 1440p card than the xtx , but the xtx is a better 4k card
FSR and DLSS do the exact same thing.
@@mitsuhh you're right, but people do see a slight difference in image quality when using upscaling
@@mitsuhhyou mean only on paper but not even close in real time 😂
@@FirestormX9 in "real time" they do the same thing
@@mitsuhh not at all
4080 is an amazing card, too bad you need to sell your kidney for it
If you have a high electric bill then buy a 4080 it is an investment but if you have low electric bill then save your cash and buy a 7800xt...
Why compared 4080 and 7800 xt pull the same wattage of each other
4080 pulls more power than 7800xt 😂
@@Antagon666 my bad I thought 4080 had I slightly lower wattage...
Battlemage 16gb = 600$ compete 4080 amd Battlemage 12 or 8gb = 450$ compete 4070ti 🔥🔥🔥
Id rather buy a rtx3090.
Nvidias scummy behavior has presented a major opportunity to AMD if they have the intelligence to take it. The 4080 only has a 256-bit bus and only 16gb of vram. That card is at best a 70-class based on its specs and performance. Its not worth 1000+$. The BIGGEST factor in a GPU's performance is Memory Bandwidth. That trumpes EVERYTHING else. So as long as AMD offers a bigger memory bus and more VRAM at each price-point they will have the superior GPU that the competing nvidia card can never touch. That performance and longer lifespan will make the AMD card the obvious choice. DLSS gives you worse visual quality for a higher frame-rate and nvidia dares to sell this trash to you as a "feature" The obvious counter-response from AMD is to give more bandwidth for more framerate at a NATIVE resolution without shitty up-scaling to give the consumer and uncompromising gaming experience.Why buy a dogshit 4070ti which needs to use DLSS at 4K when you can buy a 320-bit 7900XT which runs 4K natively with a solid 60+fps on max settings?
are the higher prices because of the small profit margins of other company's other than Nivida founders' cards. it seems that NVidia is taking advantage of everyone and gouging everyone out of their money, when they should be giving us more vram for the price and also not pricing so high to begin with.
Well if you really want the deeper cause then you'll have to look at how tsmc and samsung fabs charge these companies. That's where the real price gouging is initiating.