"Biblical vs. Pagan/Atheistic Creation Accounts:Eye-Opening Insights from a World-Renown Professor!"
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- Have you ever wondered what sets the biblical creation account apart from pagan or atheistic explanations of the universe? Join us as we dive deep into this fascinating topic with insights from renowned professor Dr Hasel! Discover how these differing perspectives shape our understanding of the world and our place within it.
Whether you're a believer, skeptic, or just curious, this video will provide thought-provoking answers and eye-opening revelations. Don't forget to like, comment, and subscribe for more insightful content!
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Another big difference is that the Bible tells us about ordinary people -- not just the kings and the mighty.
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Which makes Islam even more true than Christianity. God gave his revelation to an illiterate merchant. Not a scribe or learned man.
Truly the Qur'an is the wors of God without any doubt.
@@skippy675The Koran is not even internally consistent. It was obviously made up as Mohammed went along. When people pointed out contradictions, Mohammed would say that Allah had changed his mind. Mohammed was just telling whatever lie was convenient at the time.
The Bible, which was written over centuries, by many different people, is internally consistent. God tells the same story throughout. Plus, unlike the Koran, the Bible is backed by archeological evidence.
The OT mainly discussed the Kings and the mighty
The NT mainly discusses the mighty in the church and the divine in the flesh
@@adventureswithlils4331 While ALL history discusses the kings and the mighty, very little of it talks about people like Ruth or Jael. There are plenty of other examples in the Bible. But you won’t find one example from that period outside of the Bible that tells the story of any ordinary widow and her daughter-in-law. You won’t find anything like the story of Jael outside of the Bible either.
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One key difference between the pagan and a Christian, is that the Christian knows s/he can have a personal relationship with God, in a Father-child relationship, whereas the pagan may connect with nature, and even have a functional relationship with it, but not a personal one.
This relationship is made possible by a spirit-fragment from the Father that indwells our minds, and gives us and God access to each other on a 24/7 basis. It's a dedicated line that's always open. It's just that most people never bother to pick up that phone, so to speak. They never answer the call. I have, and it's wonderful! Dad is my best friend!
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@@anilkanda611 - The full term is "pre-personal spirit fragment" of the Father. It's an updated term that expands on the concept of the still small voice, or the kingdom of heaven within. It comes from The Urantia Book, (written by celestial beings).
As we learn to communicate with it (like in the Stillness), asking questions and getting suggestions from it, we gradually become more mature, heading in that ever elusive 'becoming perfect' mission. When our thoughts align perfectly with our Thought Adjuster's, we fuse with it, like Enoch, and do what's known as "translating" - becoming spirit born absent the need for death.
@@Sirrus-Adam, I don't think you know what the word pagan means.
@@pmaitrasm And yet you decline to elucidate...
People ask me "Why does God hate me?" and I usually tell them not to feel alone, God hates everybody, look at his history and be thankful that you weren't among the multitudes of innocent people he's murdered and tortured in the past.
This usually makes them feel better, then I explain to them that God has some extreme mental problems that would be treated with powerful drugs and incarceration if he was on Earth, the best way to deal with God's hate and anger issues is to keep a low profile, don't do anything that may bring yourself to his attention, but if you feel this will restrict or hamper your lifestyle it's best to gather a few allies, enemies of God such as Satan, Lord Ahriman, Baal, Moloch etc and this will afford you protection from this wrathful God, your life will improve, no more praying and groveling to a monster who may smite you at the smallest provocation.
You can begin to enjoy a life of hedonism, depravity and debauchery without feeling guilty, your new friends will help you by giving guidance and introducing you to like minded people. As the saying goes, "This is the first day of the rest of your life" have fun.
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Sirs,who are your audience ?
Christians who have stopped going to Sunday churches ?
Muslims, who are bringing sharia to Christian lands ?
Hindus,who are polytheist and idol worshippers ?
Buddhists,who are not worried about God/s and worship idols of Buddha ?
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A couple of things to add. One, the concepts of "monotheist" and "polytheist" are modern. For the ancient Israelites who were faithful to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, they were not so much monotheists (believing there was only one God) as they were faithful to or trusting in one God.
The other, the concept that ancient people couldn't have a "personal relationship" with their gods is not accurate. Read the classics like the Iliad, the Odyssey, the Aeneid, the Epic of Gilgamesh, etc. The ancient pagans believed they had very real, personal, and at times familial relationships with the divine. Christianity isn't about relationship because all religions offer a relationship of some kind. What make Christianity unique is the idea the divine has come to live like us and has freed us from the powers that bring about death and decay so that we might live.
I grew up in an eastern religious household. We were taught transactions not relationship with the Divine.
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are comments here in wait for moderation or did i get autocensored?
EDIT: it seems i got autocensored.. that was another waste of half an hour or more.
anil, are you able to see my comment being held back in studio or something? it was in response to philipgrobler
Hey I checked and it's not "in the held for review" section so I am not sure why. What was the comment of? I see a Philip grobler in the auto censor section
@@anilkanda611 it was about objective morality i guess. the comment does still exist, cause if i go to my comment history and click on it going to the direct link to the comment it is visible, but when i expand the thread, it's not there.
is the comment in there of philip grobler or does it just start with @philipgrobler?
it's always a gamble spending your time to go into dept in a youtube comment, cause more often then not it gets censored.
@@supersilverhazeroker Interesting, It starts with Philip and another below his comment with the same name. I'll approve it. Check if your comment shows up in a couple of mins.
@@anilkanda611 51 minutes since your response and it still doesn't show..
thanks for trying though.
How about for your next research project, have a look and see if you can identify the faithful and discreet slave in Matt 24:45.
That person is a faithful servant of Christ waiting for the Lords return important to read the verse in its context
@garyevans4524 that's right, the question is, who is it? One of the previous videos on this channel acknowledged that we appear to be in the last days, the faithful slave should be out there operating now, teaching the truth.
In addition, the main characters and heroes of the Bible are not idealized.....They are described as they really were.....with their fears, with their failures, with their lack of faith.....with their sins! With their reward for trusting God, but also with the consequences of their sins! 😮
Exactly, the bible does not lie about humanity.
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THM in Gen.1:2 refers to the Tihamah regions- Hijaz, Asir and Yemen- in western Arabia,not the ‘deep.’ Start at start. “The Bible Came from Arabia “, Kamal Salibi,1985, plus his 3 other bible study books and blog for facts not fantasies.
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If the bible gives an exact account then why is the church reinterpreting the scripture to fit the evolution of mankind.
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These verses stands out to me in the biblical account of creation.
Genesis 3:22-23 KJVS
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: [23] Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
Mankind is given a knowledge of good and evil, but they are not mature in that knowledge and the choices they make.
Interesting. Paganism seems often times peoples attempt to explain the forces at work.
But you are right, maturity is important!
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One God ? Or trinity ? 🤔
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The trinity is a false teaching originating in Babylon, it is nowhere to be found in the Bible.
"They're the same picture"
Is the bible not hearsay; is the bible written by first hand accounts or by people who heard of the accounts???
Btw you can't compare abrahamic religion with 'dharmic way of living', like comparing apples to oranges, professors and PhDs also can't get this right, just like many kids today, not sure if they are male or female, just ask your nurse, they know for sure
The Bible in its entirety tracks YHWH's actions in history and relationships with his people to advance firstly the preparation for the Messiah, and thence the foundation of his Kingdom. It is established in history in God's creating in 'days' of history. By this he underlines both his identity (for our worship) of being the creator who is love, and our cognate identity as his creatures which interlocks with his. Thus making our fellowship with God the real destiny of mankind (in Christ, of course). YHWH's actions are always in relationship with the people he created to know him; not in mythic symbols or abstract 'forms' or impersonal 'movers', but grounded in the real concrete reality that he created.
Pagan myths are de-historicised fantasies that are typically detached from history and dislocated in space. Any deities they propose are typically set within the cosmos, and not separate from and prior to it. So they worship the creature, not the creator.
Our eternal relationship with our creator can only be resolved by him being external to the fractured 'system' of our domain of life. Yet he has always been active and present in it. First in creation, established by the sequence of days of causally rational creation events by his word, then in Yeshua, Messiah. Who revealed the Father to us ("you've seen me, you've seen him").
Thank you for this video.
0:22 - Stephen King's book The Stand also sounds like it describes real people in real locations, like New York, Las Vegas and several other real places are mentioned in his book, however, this still does not magically turn Stephen's book into a historical account of real events which took place. Therefore real geographical locations can be included in a work of fiction, this still does not turn a work of fiction into an accurate historical record of actual historical events which took place.
Who created theses places and when?
Yes but the Bible doesnt just mentioned real names, it mentions real experiences. We extra biblical confirmation from ANE sources confirming events in the Old Testament. I hope you apply the same standards all of human history.
@@anilkanda611 Everything has been corrupted, edited and falsified to favour those in power and in control, and keep the rest in a wage slave mindset, yet fools like you somehow believe that the Bible is the only book that magically survived uncorrupted and untouched.
@@delaliy545 Do you really want me to answer that? Do you have a working brain?
@@anilkanda611 While some events in the Bible can be verified, historians do not consider the Bible as a historical reference text. Instead, they look for primary documents and archaeological evidence as better sources of historical events than the Bible.
The early stories are held to have a historical basis that was reconstructed centuries later, and the stories possess at most only a few tiny fragments of genuine historical memory, which by their definition are only those points which are supported by archaeological discoveries.
It’s very easy to find the roots of Christianity in other religions. For example, both the garden of eden and The flood were taken from Gilgamesh, Moses is taken straight from Sargon of Akkad. Even the story of Jesus is borrowed from multiple other gods/religions. These were all before the bible was compiled.
No question that the Bible has been altered and edited over the centuries.
We don’t have the original manuscripts. What we have are copies of copies of copies of … you get the idea. In many cases the copyists didn’t even speak the language they were copying. And don’t forget the little matter of translations of translations of copies of translations ….
Fact is, there is something like 400,000 versions of the bible in existence today (that’s versions, not translations). The major religions can’t even agree on how many books there are in the bible so how can anyone possibly know that their bible is “the real deal”?
“The scholar John Mill, no apparent relation of the philosopher John Stuart Mill, published a Greek New Testament in 1707 that showed 30,000 different available readings from only 100 manuscripts at his disposal. He was accused of trying to destroy Christianity by pointing out the truth. … We now have over 57,000 different manuscripts available and contemporary scholars believe there are between 300,000 and 400,000 different versions of the New Testament. That is more different versions of the New Testament than there are words in it. Since we don’t have any original documents, or copies, or copies of the copies, etc., we have no idea which of these 400,000 variations is the perfect one. Frankly, it boggles the mind that someone could imagine that if 400,000 different versions have come down to us that there could be one ‘perfect’ version.”
We know that at various times the church decided which books belonged in the bible so you’re depending on the “wisdom” of the men who made those decisions - and it’s safe to say that those decisions would be driven by a desire to see that the final product conformed to their personal orthodoxy.
For that matter, individual copyists have made changes to the text in order that their copy agreed with their individual orthodoxy.
It’s easy to point out some of those changes - everyone is familiar with the story of Jesus and the adulteress (“let he who is without sin …”). While it’s a great story with a worthwhile moral it doesn’t appear in any version of the bible before the 12th century. By the same token - in the oldest bibles in our possession, the Gospel according to Mark ended with Mark 16:8. Everything after that (9-20) was added at a later date, probably so that it would agree with Matthew (which was apparently copied, in large part, from Mark).
Jesus has been compared to a broad variety of figures from various mythological traditions within the Mediterranean Basin, including, Horus, Dionysus, Mithras, Sol Invictus, Osiris, Asclepius, Attis, and Adonis.
For instance Osiris was crucified, died and rose up on the third day.
The New Testament was written in Greek, as well. And for the first few centuries CE, there was a great deal of influence from Hellenistic (Greek) philosophy onto Christianity, from the very idea of a “Christ”, or savior, to the Platonic ideas of the soul and afterlife, which was largely foreign to the Jewish tradition.
Jesus was a Christian form of the Greek god Dionysus. He argues that the indisputable parallels between Dionysus and Jesus were one of the key factors that facilitated the adoption of Christianity by the ancient Greeks, who initially practiced polytheistic paganism.
Theogony has the g pronounced as in gone, not like the j in john
I think what they were saying would be spelled “theogeny”.
Judgement day just like depicted in Egyptian Book of Dead.
Why there is need Judgement Day as in the bibles?
Are we going to argue with God?
Aren't He the all-knowing, mighty, wisest?
Not a single action we did on earth, not of his knowledge.
Just send anybody to wherever he judges fit to from all past actions on earth.
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@anilkanda61 Anyway, we just dust when we died.
Ecclesiastes 3:20, "All are from the dust, and to dust all return."
That's exactly what he's going to do. You stand in front of the judge, the indictment is read out and he passes sentence, or acquittal. It needs to be public, otherwise it isn't justice. God will be seen to be just not just assumed to be.
@trevhib your judgement day just like on earth court. But on earth, the judges know nothing about the accused. God knows everything. What to argue ?
@@aku7598 The judges in an earthly court hear all the evidence about the case in question and then they judge on the evidence presented. The same with God, except that the case in question is the whole person. People will have the right to reply but just like you say, who will be able to argue, the evidence will be overwhelming. Why go through the process then? Refer to my first reply.
So the Israelites not being able to "genocide" all the nations of Canaan makes the Bible more accurate. Oh well, good for them. However I am not quite so sure that this "flawless" book can be utilsed as a guide for Objective Morality.
Fascinating how you gave a moral judgment on something while denying objective morality.
@@anilkanda611 Denying Objective Morality - are you sure that you are able to read and understand English?
The book is flawless. Prove it otherwise because I want to know.
@@Esico6 DISGUSTING and DISTURBING bible verses:
They know not, what they blindly worship.
God is Evil, which is why Evil still exists today.
The masses are worshiping Evil (aka “god”)
Leviticus 1 : 9 - "Wash the inner parts and the legs with water, and the priest is to burn all of it on the altar. It is a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, an aroma pleasing to the Lord."
Leviticus 26 : 29 - "And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat."
Deuteronomy 28 : 53 - "And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the Lord thy God hath given thee."
Jeremiah 19 : 9 - "And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend."
Ezekiel 5 : 10 - "Therefore the fathers shall eat the sons in the midst of thee, and the sons shall eat their fathers".
2nd Kings 6 : 28-29 - "And the king said unto her, What aileth thee? And she answered, This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may eat him today, and we will eat my son tomorrow. So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him: and she hath hid her son."
Revelation 19 : 18 - "That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and the flesh of the men that sit on the horses, and the flesh of all men, both free and slaves, both small and great."
1. God himself will kill tens of thousands if it pleases him: 1st Samuel 6:19 in the King James Version: “And he smote the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men (50,070)”. Kill 50 000 men for looking at something?
2. You can kill a woman if she seizes a man's private parts without his permission: Deuteronomy 25:11-1: If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.
3. Perversity and human trafficking condoned: "Slaves, be subject to your masters with all reverence, not only to those who are good and equitable but also to those who are perverse." (1 Peter 2:18)
4. Sex slavery condoned: "When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again."
Exodus 21: 7-8
5. Divorce akin to debauchery: "Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery." (Luke 16:18)
6. Cannibalism: "And the king said unto her, What aileth thee? And she answered, This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may eat him to day, and we will eat my son to morrow. So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him: and she hath hid her son...." (II Kings 6:28-29)
7. If your genitals have been damaged, stay out of church: "He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord."(Deuteronomy 23:1)
8. Incest and getting drunk with dad is no problem if the world is running thin on suitable DNA donors: And the elder said to the younger Our father is old, and there is no man left on the earth, to come in unto us after the manner of the whole earth. Come, let us make him drunk with wine, and let us lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night: and the elder went in and lay with her father: but he perceived not neither when his daughter lay down, nor when she rose up. And the next day the elder said to the younger: Behold I lay last night with my father, let us make him drink wine also to night, and thou shalt lie with him, that we may save seed of our father. They made their father drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went in, and lay with him: and neither then did he perceive when she lay down, nor when she rose up. So the two daughters of Lot were with child by their father. [Genesis 19:31-36]
9. Looking at a woman with desire is akin to adultery: "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." (Matthew 5:28)
10. But incestuous rape is cool: And when she had presented him the meat, he took hold of her, and said: Come lie with me, my sister. She answered him: Do not so, my brother, do not force me: for no such thing must be done in Israel. Do not thou this folly. [II Kings 13:8-12] But he would not hearken to her prayers, but being stronger overpowered her and lay with her. [II Kings 13:14]
11. Pray in private, and if you do so in church, do so quietly: Matt 6:5 "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others."
12. If you offend God he will kill you: "And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him. And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother. And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also." (Genesis 38:7-10)
13. God smites women, children and often animals with equal gusto, he seems to equal evil and wrong doing by association, rather than by being guilty of the personal, individual act: "Behold with a great plague will the LORD smite thy people and thy children, and thy wives, and all thy goods: And thou shalt have great sickness by disease of thy bowels, until thy bowels fall out by reason of the sickness day by day." (II Chronicles 21:14-15)
14. Rev 21: 8 "liars--their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death." Eternal damnation for lying? In South Africa murderers and rapists often get released for good behavior, lying is politics.
And speaking of lying, the bible ends with this one. It calls its message 'the good news' and concludes, "I am coming soon." Wrong on the 'soon' bit, and unless we've missed something, no one has come. But I get it, if 2000 years pass, soon after such a length of time must be VERY soon. If 10 000 years pass, soon must be very VERY soon.
Cannibalism in the Bible
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Deuteronomy 28:53-57 (also Lev 26:29)
Because of the suffering that your enemy will inflict on you during the siege, you will eat the fruit of the womb, the flesh of the sons and daughters the Lord your God has given you. Even the most gentle and sensitive man among you will have no compassion on his own brother or the wife he loves or his surviving children, and he will not give to one of them any of the flesh of his children that he is eating. It will be all he has left because of the suffering your enemy will inflict on you during the siege of all your cities. The most gentle and sensitive woman among you - so sensitive and gentle that she would not venture to touch the ground with the sole of her foot - will begrudge the husband she loves and her own son or daughter the afterbirth from her womb and the children she bears. For she intends to eat them secretly during the siege and in the distress that your enemy will inflict on you in your cities.
2 Kings 6:26-29
As the king of Israel was passing by on the wall, a woman cried to him, "Help me, my lord the king!"
The king replied, "If the Lord does not help you, where can I get help for you? From the threshing floor? From the winepress?" Then he asked her, "What's the ma
tter?"
She answered, "This woman said to me, 'Give up your son so we may eat him today, and tomorrow we'll eat my son.' So we cooked my son and ate him. The next day I said to her, 'Give up your son so we may eat him,' but she had hidden him."
Jeremiah 19:9 (also Ezek 5:10)
I will make them eat the flesh of their sons and daughters, and they will eat one another's flesh during the stress of the siege imposed on them by the enemies who seek their lives.
Lamentations 4:10
With their own hands compassionate women
have cooked their own children,
who became their food
when my people were destroyed.
John 6:53-56
Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him.
That’s quite a “good book” for little children to read isn’t it?
Absolutely DISGUSTING and highly DISTURBING to say the least.
All psycho christians are 100% POSSESSED by EVIL.
They will cry “you’re misinterpreting these CANNIBALISTIC verses.”
Evil commands them to support DEATH, INCEST, RAPE, SLAVERY
and CANNIBALISM in the bible. Absolutely DISGUSTING.
@@philipgrobler7253 you can argue objective morality from a consequentialist/natural law standpoint as i did prior to coming to Christ (and in a way is what led me to Christ), there are real determined consequences in response to behaviour (and behaviour flows from belief) especially at the societal scale these consequences become noticable if a societies moral standards are in line with God's law/natural law or not.
but consequences don't really make something moral or not, if we are all just matter in motion come about by chance there's no reason to call something evil or good regardless of consequences.
truth is absolute, right or wrong is absolute and is in line with the truth. imagine reality/truth to be a straight line, while man's perception of what is real or true / right or wrong is a sine wave going over that line, every now and then lining up with truth/reality as well as wavering away from truth. it is our goal to increase that frequency that we come in line with the truth, to be completely in line that would be an infinite frequency.
in other words, the goal is to become one with God, as God's Word is the way, the truth, and the life.
God is, was and always will be, He is the one and only constant, the source of everything, including life, outside of God there is no life to be found, for he is the life, without Him none of us would be. what is moral is in line with Gods will.
everything in this world will come to an end, but God will remain. everything you build up in this world will turn back to dust sooner or later, but God is eternal. Don't build treasure on this earth where moth and rust doth corrupt and where thieves break through and steal, but build treasure in heaven, sow to the spirit, not to the flesh.
don't let an emotional response to a superficial interpretation of the texts (although it is historic) dissuade you from seeking the meaning in the text, on my first read through of the bible, already having come to believe (that there was at least something to it) through listening to streetpreachers, i was disturbed by a lot of things written, superficially, not understanding the meaning, things like Abraham sacrificing Isaac or, as a vegan for 10 years, all the animal sacrifices etc.
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Well, his direct interaction with humanity seems to me a very strong indication that he wasn’t God!
How did you come to that conclusion?
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Who created the earth that God found in Genesis 1 verse 2?
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This is a troll, right?! Genesis 1:1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. Genesis 1:2 Who created the earth that God found in verse 2? What the heck?!
Genesis 1:1 will answer your question
Verse two is earth; meaning matter. Along with light; meaning energy.
Genesis 1:1 - Introduction to the chapter, summarizing it by saying that God created everything.
Genesis 1:2 - Exposition of the before verse 3 (meaning before God created everything).
Genesis 1:3-5 - God begins creating by speaking light into existence.
This is an entirely valid and excellent question, asking how we could have a description of the earth before God created the earth! (Please ignore the other commenters who think that reading Scripture is as simple as reading English translations at face-value with no consideration for all the historical context that has been lost over the ages and in translation.)
The answer lies in that the description of the earth being "formless and void," meaning that it didn't actually exist, it was just nothing. It sounds confusing that the earth could have description before it existed, but if you tried to explain what the universe was like before it's creation, you'll run into the same issue, using language as though it existed. As I understand it, ancient Hebrew didn't have a word for universe or all of Creation, so they would've had to describe it as the heavens (the skies/cosmos) and the earth. So, the summary of this verse is that nothing existed before God spoke light into existence in verse 3.
As for the detailed description in verse 2, please keep in mind that the Israelites significantly lacked our common-sense understanding of reality that has developed from science over the years, and that the Israelites would have almost certainly been flat-eathers. In their minds, there would've been two physical planes of existence: the earthly plane on which we live and the heavenly plane where the sun, moon, and stars reside. We understand that the absence of matter is void, like the void of outer space, but they would've thought differently. To them, the absence of earth would likely be the absence land, leaving only the ever-infinite sea. (Because the earth is not sky, it's void would not be air, but it would be water.) And, the absence of heavenly bodies would be air, or rather wind; and the Hebrew word for "wind" is the same world for "spirit."
So, a crude interpretive understanding of how Israelites might've understood verse 2 (quoting the ESV):
"The earth was without form and void,..." - Nothing existed ("void"), and there was no land.
"...and darkness was over the face of the deep...." - There was no sun or moon or star or heavenly thing ("darkness was over") above the earthly plane ("the deep" referring to sea).
"...And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters." - There was only the void of land (the waters/sea), the void of sky (air/wind), and the presence of God.
Of course, it doesn't make any sense to us that water or air could have existed either, because we are able to comprehend a reality without water or air. But, such a concept to an ancient Hebrew would be abstract and difficult to understand. A modern equivalent might be trying to explain that before the universe, space and time probably didn't exist; that's very hard for our minds to truly comprehend, because we can't easily imagine reality without time or space. So instead, we tend to talk about reality before the universe was created as though time and space had existed then.
So, if we accept that this is an ancient, limited flat-earth perspective, then we can realize that verse 2 is just saying that nothing existed except God. You could argue that this describes the canvas onto which God paints, and that the canvas existed before God created it, but God didn't actually create/separate the heavens and the earth until verses 6-8. So why write about them in verse 2 as though they already existed? Again, it's hard for us to talk about reality as though space and time once didn't exist, and it was hard for ancient peoples to talk about reality as though the heavens and the earth once didn't exist.
Thank you for the amazing question, and I hope this long, arduous answer helps! Please feel free to follow up with any questions; explaining this clearly isn't exactly easy, and I'd like to make sure I'm communicating properly.
Except that we know the bible is wrong on a lot of things. Like the stories of adam and eve, the flood, Moses, and the one with the talking donkey in it, etc.
A story being set in a real place, and containing real peolle, doesnt make the supernatural claims of that story any nore believable.
The book is flawless open your mind and see the truth Jesus Christ is god
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So claims the book...... Unfortunately with most of it being clearly fictional, your claim doesn't track to reality.
@@somerandom3247 read the bible with an open mind not hate and u will see
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I've done that. That's how I found out its not true....
Perhaps you should read the bible.with an open mind instead of going in blindly believing everything it says.
You have to much hate in you to see the truth open up and relax
Just because history is mixed with myth doesn’t mean that every single word is truth. Moses was far removed from the time of creation. Lots of knowledge was lost during the flood. If biblical accounts of only Noah and his 3 sons and their wives were the only survivors of the flood I doubt that they carried the whole truth of creation with them. Also Moses was raised in Egypt from a very early age so I believe that he borrowed heavily from near eastern accounts
This is all nonsense, isnt it?
BS
Prove him wrong then. We have evidence.
@@anilkanda611 Who created god?
We have fasted for the required time and have observed the rituals of Baal, Tanit and Moloch.
Tonight we partake of the Mandrake root to bring us closer to our inner selves and the spirits we serve, our rituals invoke the spirit of our beloved Lord Ahriman and we introduce sacrifices to our God Moloch the Devourer.
Our offerings will ensure the harvest for the coming seasons will be plentiful. We renounce the false Prophet Jesus and all his evil teachings.
O Lord Ahriman we renounce the teachings of the evil prophet Jesus, accept the sacrifices of your devotees and take our offerings as a token of our love. Blessed be.
My friend. I hope you eventually turn to Jesus. When those demons turn on you and they will, Jesus will still hear you.
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@@anilkanda611 DARI and BIX - Lili
Dari and Bix the Katzenjammer twins implanted from my birth
They are the Gods of mischief, the guides for all my life
They’ve made the World so interesting, they’ve filled my time with mirth
They’ve crammed my mind with learning from the Sages in the past
Within the Coven of the dead I am led, the Coven of the knife
My life of love and pleasure gifted by the twins, mysterious and vast. -
The treasures of the World are mine, my body doesn’t age
Granted to the chosen, our mind’s as clear as time
The dangers of a treacherous world are pleasures we enjoy
The evils that some others see, I see as my due wage
If I feel anger or a threat, Bix makes others fear
If I feel pleasure, love and joy, Dari takes the stage. -
The World is made for such as us and we all see the World
In our lives from mountains high to seas all filled with ire
From tropics, deserts, cities, towns, the low life and the high
I speed along life’s Highways, we tread the highest wire
This is the life of Ahriman, the pleasure and the thrill
Observe the Sabbats, live for him and never question why. -
The twins both share this wondrous life, adventure, love and fun
When we see the dismal lives of Christians filled with guilt
We turn away, they’re deaf as stones, we never could be one
This is our world, it’s not a test, we’ll never see it wilt
I fly the skies and swim the seas, the Blood, the Water, Salt
This life of ours, will never change, Ostara, Baal exalt.
Blessed be.
@@anilkanda611, My friend, proselytization does not work. It has never worked. If I may refer to the wisdom of Saint Paul, the Romans do not have the law, but by their nature, they are a law unto themselves. Replace the Romans with any other nationality, and it still holds true. Hope you achieve unity, or yoga, with the ultimate reality, called Brahman in the Vedas.
@@pmaitrasm you’re quoting Paul, the person who proselytised more than anyone? All the churches set up through Paul and the other apostles give evidence to proselytises working. Read the book of Acts, may God grant you repentance of sin and faith in the sufficient work of Jesus Christ as he has been doing through proselytising men for millennia.
@@kolaoj5174, Paul proselytized nobody. Paul was a Hellenic man, who preached Hellenistic values using characters from the Old Testament.
Most of his disciples were Græco-Roman people, who did not need much convincing, because they were already partly convinced. Those that were unconvinced, could not be convinced. He tried very hard, wrote a belaboured and long letter, but without success. That letter is his letter to the Hebrews.
For the Romans, he had the excuse, that the Romans did not have _the_ law (Jewish law or Mosaic law), by their very nature, are a law unto themselves. On the other hand, he told the Jews that the Old Testament is obsolete and ready to vanish.
I could go on and on. Religions come and religions go, gods come and gods go, but nations do not abandon their values easily.
different doesnt' mean true. The lies in the bible are just like the lies from other myths: no evidence for their claims at all.
Please provide evidence of your accusation. Jesus said in John 17:17 “sanctify them by your truth, your word is truth.” Are you claiming Jesus is a liar and that God’s word obtains lies?
@davidalvarado6420 don't use the Bible to prove itself, that is a circular fallacy and therefore meaningless.
Many scientists have lies, through faulty calculations and interpretations. JW telescope even exposed faulty mathematical interpretation of the age of the universe. Some people are never now making the jump that their was not any initial violent start. No, we can't disprove the big bang also. So basically, the pinnacle calculations for astronomy that stem to all of science is lacking evidence. The same way that these ancient people may have perceived wrongly and that there were humanistic errors in capturing their evidence put into words the Bible. ______Both require faith in which evidence will always be faulty whether we realize it or not
@@davidalvarado6420Yes
A myth isn't a "lie". Myths are story/narrative, and frequently metaphorical or symbolic. They're meant to convey an idea or moral (of the story).
In the case of Genesis, for example, it wasn't written to explain where we come from, but what our place in nature is, and our relationship to God. We are supposed to partner with him in developing and looking after the planet.
We can tell it's not meant to be what literally happened because of the symbolism of the names. Adam means Mankind, and has it's root in the Hebrew words for soil and blood. The name Eve, means mother of all.
Fun fact, we do all share a single common female ancestor, but I can't confirm if she was really called Eve...