This was some very constructive and productive discussion about the existence of God! Really liked the way he presented the arguments in the most kind and eloquent manner.
Alhamduilah! This is why Tahrik-e-Jadid is needed! I reverted before Jummah prayer at the Baitun-Nur Mosque here in Calgary Alberta Canada (the biggest mosque in Canada, we are followers of true Islam) 17 November 2023. I’m a former Catholic, and it was Surah Al-Baqarah that opened my eyes. I love this video, it respectfully and beautifully represents the truth and brings it out to the public in a beautiful way! May Allah bless you for your hard work! On a side note, Inshallah think the Jewish woman listening is close to making Shahada.
Welcome to the community. May Allah strengthen your heart and bless you. And yes, Tahrik-e Jadid is the biggest and most worthwhile spiritual investment.
Irrefutable, hardly. 1) Causation is an argument that requires time to be coherent and time is only one of the nine dimensions. Time and space are four dimensions. Even if time and space began completely at the singularity 13.7 billion years ago, that still leaves at least five other dimensions, and as astrophysics currently shows, a quantum field and potentially gravity exists outside of space and time. 2) It hasn't been shown conclusively by anyone anywhere that anything can exist wholly independently of the cosmos, much less an immaterial mind, when every mind that we have evidence for requires a brain. 3) Even if there is a cause, that doesn't make it a named deity who is currently worshipped. If Islam were just about causation, it wouldn't be Allah. If Christianity were just about causation, it wouldn't be Jesus. If Judaism were just about causation, it wouldn't be Yahweh.
@@MathewSteeleAtheology So you are postulating that 2 of these 9 dimensions began at the beginning of the universe, but the other 7 or 5 haven't? I would really love to see the science that proves this. Also, if you're referring to string theory, I would like to see the paper which says that the extra dimensions (which they believe to be smaller) are somehow not-created. I would like to see where astrophyics shows that quantum fields exist outside of space and time. If it's just populations, then you are replacing one so-called "assertion" with another. Furthermore, the intelligent design of the universe must necessitate an mind beyond the cosmos. This is, of course, not conclusive proof of God, but when did we say it was? The speaker in the video made abundantly clear that these are logical proofs that God "Should Exist". Islam is not just about causation, it's about the Holy Qur'an as the speaker says.
@@MathewSteeleAtheology You said: "It hasn't been shown conclusively by anyone anywhere that anything can exist wholly independently of the cosmos, much less an immaterial mind, when every mind that we have evidence for requires a brain". This is an erronous claim. As the Muslim in the video stated, the burden of proof is to show: "the rule of thumb across every single discipline of science across the entire world of rationality and logic is that a thing cannot cause itself necessarily you need something outside of the thing caused to cause it time cannot cause itself space cannot cause itself materials cannot cause themselves matter cannot cause itself energy cannot cause itself you need something that is extremely powerful outside of energy outside of time therefore Timeless outside of matter therefore immaterial to cause it"
For the last few years I've been really set on the feeling that the onus is on atheists to prove that God doesn't exist and this video justified even more. I don't feel it's fair for the experiences of God through not just through prayer to be brushed off as fantasy or naivety or whatever. True Islam is irrefutable and is so much more than what you hear. Great video by the Existence Project team 🙏🏾
the burden of proof traditionally lies on the one making a positive claim. In the case of the existence of God, theists posit the existence of a divine being, and atheists, in the absence of conclusive evidence, may withhold belief. It's not necessarily about proving a negative but rather seeking evidence to support a positive assertion.
@@pinkiethesniper6630 I agree, that proof is needed for certainty in God's Existence. However, I'd like to mention that the onus lies also on the atheist to demonstrate the veracity of their claim, that this universe came out of nothing. Because when atheism presents a negative statement, that "I dont believe in God", it necessarily presents a positive one which is "The universe came out of nothing, and created itself". For this we demand proof from Atheists, to mention anything at all, which could come into existence on its own. The burden of proving such a statement, lies on the atheist.
It was a great conversation I pray and hope that atheists sooner experience the existence of God and enjoy the life that we are enjoying as ahmadi muslims
I dont think I have enjoyed any other video of people talking religion and science in public standing. I wish I could like this video a million times. Mashallah, all the barakats to the speaker here. Also the camera man/woman ofc lol
Im glad I found this through Instagram. The Atheist guy was very refreshing to hear from. Like I can see his point of view as well and its fair. Very productive conversations
Thank you for being example of how to navigate a conversation without being unkind even in such controversial and delicate topic. Very happy to see it 🙌🙌
MashAllah, what an amazing interaction. Well done to Murrabi sahib and team. I always like the programmes made by review of religion. They bring the topic which are need of the time. The right content and right timing. You always find something new to learn
4 minutes into the video and I really love the way the discussion is going and the attitude with which both parties approach it. Also the interactions from the girl are priceless
As I’m muslim, your content is really interesting and inspiring, it wants me to research more and more about Allah and his signs.thanks for what you are providing on the srild and I know that you are really a clever man.
I hope they both one day read the Quran. Btw you should also share you channel with these people you talk with so that they can read the comments of the users and interact. Perhaps even get hidaya from just reading the comments. May Allah(swt) guide them to the straight path!
What you BELIEVE is not the truth. It is not more than a BELIEVE . The meaning of life is to live and be good to other people. But GOOD is a word unknown to muslims.
But the host doesn't seem to be debating the existence of his Abrahamic God. He is only arguing for the existence of 'a' God. I'd like to see him discussing his specific deity.
Surah Al-Jumu'ah (62:5) The parable of those who were charged with the Torah and then they failed to live up to it is that of a donkey laden with books. Even more evil is the parable of the people who gave the lie to the Signs of Allah.9 Allah does not direct such wrong-doers to the Right Way.
CHALLENGE TO MUSLIMS. I AM AGNOSTIC. I SEE NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER THAT AN OMNIPOTENT, OMNISCIENT, OMNIBENOVELENT EXISTS.(HEARSAY DOESNT COUNT) I SEE NO EVIDENCE FOR AN ALL WISE, ISUPREMLY INTELLIGENT GOD WHO CARES FOR HUMANITY OR INDEED THE ANIMAL CREATION. ANY MUSLIM CARE TO RESPOND.?
3:37 Bro basically knows God exists but does not want to acknowledge because then he'll have to leave all the haram stuff which of course he does not want to and want to cope by telling himself well I was not sure if God existed, but he just don't want to give up the haram lifestyle, which is the case of almost all the atheist. You can see right through their BS.
The Islamic position presented here is nothing more than a God of the gaps argument: there must have been a cause to the universe, therefore God. We can't assume a God made the universe. We simply don't know. The conversation also ignores the obvious question: If everything needs a creator, what created God? If the answer to that question is that God is outside of time and space and is the first cause, then it is also possible that the universe has always existed in one form or another, and is now in this present form. But my original point is the more rational one. We simply don't know how we got here.
This was some very constructive and productive discussion about the existence of God!
Really liked the way he presented the arguments in the most kind and eloquent manner.
Im more impressed on how that young woman getting all the point and i think she have a very good understanding of this life works.
Alhamduilah! This is why Tahrik-e-Jadid is needed! I reverted before Jummah prayer at the Baitun-Nur Mosque here in Calgary Alberta Canada (the biggest mosque in Canada, we are followers of true Islam) 17 November 2023. I’m a former Catholic, and it was Surah Al-Baqarah that opened my eyes. I love this video, it respectfully and beautifully represents the truth and brings it out to the public in a beautiful way! May Allah bless you for your hard work! On a side note, Inshallah think the Jewish woman listening is close to making Shahada.
Love you, my brother. Jazakallah for sharing your story and your insights. And I agree, this video is extremely compelling.
Welcome to the community. May Allah strengthen your heart and bless you. And yes, Tahrik-e Jadid is the biggest and most worthwhile spiritual investment.
I love it how we talk like without fighting over things and we are actually talking and with a desire to know both Sides .
Hoping to see more videos like this InshAllah 🙌🏾 And I love how respectful this was!
Genius effort by. Review of Religions .You can change minds with constant efferts.God bless the whole team
A fantastic, thought-provoking conversation.
to the lesser educated/unprepared people perhaps.
I'm pleasantly surprised that the atheist acknowledged that Quranic argument is irrefutable on the existence of God and accepts that God does Exists
Irrefutable, hardly. 1) Causation is an argument that requires time to be coherent and time is only one of the nine dimensions. Time and space are four dimensions. Even if time and space began completely at the singularity 13.7 billion years ago, that still leaves at least five other dimensions, and as astrophysics currently shows, a quantum field and potentially gravity exists outside of space and time. 2) It hasn't been shown conclusively by anyone anywhere that anything can exist wholly independently of the cosmos, much less an immaterial mind, when every mind that we have evidence for requires a brain. 3) Even if there is a cause, that doesn't make it a named deity who is currently worshipped. If Islam were just about causation, it wouldn't be Allah. If Christianity were just about causation, it wouldn't be Jesus. If Judaism were just about causation, it wouldn't be Yahweh.
@@MathewSteeleAtheology So you are postulating that 2 of these 9 dimensions began at the beginning of the universe, but the other 7 or 5 haven't? I would really love to see the science that proves this.
Also, if you're referring to string theory, I would like to see the paper which says that the extra dimensions (which they believe to be smaller) are somehow not-created.
I would like to see where astrophyics shows that quantum fields exist outside of space and time. If it's just populations, then you are replacing one so-called "assertion" with another.
Furthermore, the intelligent design of the universe must necessitate an mind beyond the cosmos. This is, of course, not conclusive proof of God, but when did we say it was? The speaker in the video made abundantly clear that these are logical proofs that God "Should Exist".
Islam is not just about causation, it's about the Holy Qur'an as the speaker says.
@@MathewSteeleAtheology as a physicist first point is completely dumb and you have no idea what you are talking about.
@@MathewSteeleAtheology You said: "It hasn't been shown conclusively by anyone anywhere that anything can exist wholly independently of the cosmos, much less an immaterial mind, when every mind that we have evidence for requires a brain".
This is an erronous claim. As the Muslim in the video stated, the burden of proof is to show:
"the rule of thumb across every single discipline of science across the entire world of rationality and logic is that a thing cannot cause itself necessarily you need something outside of the thing caused to cause it time cannot cause itself space cannot cause itself materials cannot cause themselves matter cannot cause itself energy cannot cause itself you need something that is extremely powerful outside of energy outside of time therefore Timeless outside of matter therefore immaterial to cause it"
The only thing is that according to several schoolars, the Quran is based on greek legends, apocryphal christian texts and the torah.
Oh my God, what an amazing answer to all the dude's questions, such beautifully and Respectfully answered
Awesome video! It’s great to see respectful and open dialogue. Looking forward to more vids like this
For the last few years I've been really set on the feeling that the onus is on atheists to prove that God doesn't exist and this video justified even more. I don't feel it's fair for the experiences of God through not just through prayer to be brushed off as fantasy or naivety or whatever. True Islam is irrefutable and is so much more than what you hear. Great video by the Existence Project team 🙏🏾
the burden of proof traditionally lies on the one making a positive claim. In the case of the existence of God, theists posit the existence of a divine being, and atheists, in the absence of conclusive evidence, may withhold belief. It's not necessarily about proving a negative but rather seeking evidence to support a positive assertion.
@@pinkiethesniper6630
I agree, that proof is needed for certainty in God's Existence. However, I'd like to mention that the onus lies also on the atheist to demonstrate the veracity of their claim, that this universe came out of nothing. Because when atheism presents a negative statement, that "I dont believe in God", it necessarily presents a positive one which is "The universe came out of nothing, and created itself". For this we demand proof from Atheists, to mention anything at all, which could come into existence on its own. The burden of proving such a statement, lies on the atheist.
Beautiful video. Jazakallah Khair. We need more of such discussions. 🙏
I really like this approach and the eloquence of the speaker. This should spread. Also I love kind dialogue
Love this video. Looking forward to more!
It was a great conversation I pray and hope that atheists sooner experience the existence of God and enjoy the life that we are enjoying as ahmadi muslims
I really love this video. There is no argument or debate. It’s just a nice conversation.
Are you qadiani? You are very knowledgeable and seem sincere. . . . Im trying to connect the dots
What an enriching exchange-a genuinely thought-provoking and respectful conversation. Would like to see more of this!
loving conversations!!! Awesome to see❤
I would love to see part 2 of it. Absolutely loved it
MashaAllah, Need more of these!
Very good job! More of these conversations please, Jazakallah.
I dont think I have enjoyed any other video of people talking religion and science in public standing. I wish I could like this video a million times. Mashallah, all the barakats to the speaker here. Also the camera man/woman ofc lol
This is just wonderful!!! Want longer one plsssss more opinions and more answers !!!
Im glad I found this through Instagram. The Atheist guy was very refreshing to hear from. Like I can see his point of view as well and its fair. Very productive conversations
That girl at the back is so funny... she was watching and reacting to the atheist in real time as he discussed the topic of god
Wow thats a great video, this is how public preaching should be. Calm and wise interaction
Loved the conversation and the arguments, you start questioning though why are you "ahmediya"!
Thank you for being example of how to navigate a conversation without being unkind even in such controversial and delicate topic. Very happy to see it 🙌🙌
Loved it. Want more videos like this.❤❤
Video warmed my heart - Alhumdulillah.
Great questions and discussion!
Such an amazing and interesting video!!
God job, mashaallah!
Very interesting dialogue, alhumdullilah. May Allahtaala reward all the participants with true light and blessings!Ameen
MashAllah, what an amazing interaction. Well done to Murrabi sahib and team. I always like the programmes made by review of religion. They bring the topic which are need of the time. The right content and right timing.
You always find something new to learn
Had no idea this guy was ahmadi!
Mashallah very kind conversation. God bless to all team
How smooth a conversation can be . #Bravo_Respect
4 minutes into the video and I really love the way the discussion is going and the attitude with which both parties approach it. Also the interactions from the girl are priceless
ہر طرف آواز دینا ھے ھمارا کام آج
جس کی فطرت نیک ھے وہ آئے گا انجام کار
Excellent approach
I loved the civil dialogue!
Great video. Hope to see more content like this!
5:30 - 6:30 is the best statement I have heard about seeking for truth ❤️
Please do some more talks like this .
Really enjoyed listening to the arguments. May Allah bless us all ameen 🙏
As I’m muslim, your content is really interesting and inspiring, it wants me to research more and more about Allah and his signs.thanks for what you are providing on the srild and I know that you are really a clever man.
learning a lot from these videos please continue these series forever. JazakAllah to whole team
Allah bless you for such a sufficient deliverance of eternal truth..we need such young intelligent youngsters❤❤❤
Ahmadiyya? Do you believe that the Prophet Muhammad SAW is the last Prophet?
Guys do more of these please.
We need more episodes ❤❤
-I have that meaning
- what is the meaning of your life?
- I'm not sure..
Like what said about the disbelievers their harts are blind not their eyes..
❤ Excellent presentation. I hope they gifted them Quran
This is so wholesome
There's a book collector on this platform who have different era of Qurans and based on the commentaries, it remains unchanged.
Keep making such videos pls … enlightening
Just awesome, incredible
Very please to see you may Allah bless you , Mashaa Allah you did excellent job 👏
Maa shaa Allah...deep
Brilliant! Masha'Allah
mashaallah beautiful videos brother keep going
Excellent conversation mashallah
Very informative and interesting ❤ video
ما شاء الله
Great video
Are you a Ahmediya?
Amazing MashAllah
Excellent audio btw.
What are you using in the chain to record it?
The lady besides him is so cute and knows his frnd has no solid answers😂
Collective knowledge is real.
Prayer and (connecting or) reaching have the same root in arabic.
I hope they both one day read the Quran.
Btw you should also share you channel with these people you talk with so that they can read the comments of the users and interact. Perhaps even get hidaya from just reading the comments.
May Allah(swt) guide them to the straight path!
Lovely, polite people
الحمد الله،
What a great video, hopefully you guys make more videos like this. InshAllah
Whoaaa awesome!
May Allah bless you with barakah
Aww. Hugs are cool ice breakers.
amazing video
Well done
Beautiful
Very polite man I must say! May Allah guide him.
Good work
What a breath of fresh air, an honest and open aetheist.
You are underrated
4:29 Is he am Ahmediya??! What a shame. May Allah SWT guide him, aameen
Mashallah good ❤
MashAllah love it. But...ROR needs to fund more online than physical books. It is better for saving and better spending.
Oh they have a lot of books, They've translated over 20 books of Hazrat Musleh maud (ra)
Who here thinks that God of Quran has debunked the precarious foundation of Atheism again?
Is this girl a friend of his ?
Cuz come on she's killing him
😂😂😂
What you BELIEVE is not the truth. It is not more than a BELIEVE . The meaning of life is to live and be good to other people. But GOOD is a word unknown to muslims.
Mashallah good
To the muslim : who created your god. And btw YOU have to proof YOUR statements. And with proof I will accept.
I very liked it
The girl is savage 😂
But the host doesn't seem to be debating the existence of his Abrahamic God. He is only arguing for the existence of 'a' God. I'd like to see him discussing his specific deity.
Surah Al-Jumu'ah
(62:5) The parable of those who were charged with the Torah and then they failed to live up to it is that of a donkey laden with books. Even more evil is the parable of the people who gave the lie to the Signs of Allah.9 Allah does not direct such wrong-doers to the Right Way.
CHALLENGE TO MUSLIMS.
I AM AGNOSTIC. I SEE NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER THAT AN OMNIPOTENT, OMNISCIENT, OMNIBENOVELENT EXISTS.(HEARSAY DOESNT COUNT) I SEE NO EVIDENCE FOR AN ALL WISE, ISUPREMLY INTELLIGENT GOD WHO CARES FOR HUMANITY OR INDEED THE ANIMAL CREATION.
ANY MUSLIM CARE TO RESPOND.?
It's an unfalsifiable position so the question is redundant.
Mashallah wow!!!!
3:37 Bro basically knows God exists but does not want to acknowledge because then he'll have to leave all the haram stuff which of course he does not want to and want to cope by telling himself well I was not sure if God existed, but he just don't want to give up the haram lifestyle, which is the case of almost all the atheist. You can see right through their BS.
I wish i could send you some free Quran, that you could use for dawah.
The Islamic position presented here is nothing more than a God of the gaps argument: there must have been a cause to the universe, therefore God. We can't assume a God made the universe. We simply don't know. The conversation also ignores the obvious question: If everything needs a creator, what created God? If the answer to that question is that God is outside of time and space and is the first cause, then it is also possible that the universe has always existed in one form or another, and is now in this present form. But my original point is the more rational one. We simply don't know how we got here.