"Those have the most gain. In fact they have so much that if I were to stop at any given time, you'd get a lot of feedback...so I try not to stop." -John Petrucci Hahahaha. That last part actually made me laugh a lot. Petrucci kicks serious ass. I like this video. I'm planning on buying a Mark IV
@GuitaristEliKing yeah dude, the axess electronics footswitch is a midi controller, he programs the switches to do different things, and when he switches them, the controller sends midi messages to the rack and turns effects on or off
Yeah that LITS opening is sick. Thats the 2290 though also making that sound that huge. I just picked up a 2290 this week, I should have it soon. I'll post a demo when I get it.
This setup as complicated as it looks is actually much simpler than what he used in earlier tours. I think it won't hurt to replace all these heads and effects with a Triaxis and a G-force.
Celestion - they are very popular guitar speakers. They are rated for 30 watts which means they distort easily; they are good for crunch and distorted sounds and not bad for clean sounds but there are better choices for clean tones.
I tried a JVM410 two days ago and got a pretty ballsy tone. It sounded pretty close to the Adam Jones of Tool sound. I'm not totally into replicating others' sounds, but they're kind of inspiring.
he is using mesa boogie amps natural all tube distortion, the Mark IV and he also mentions a Lonestar but think he only uses this on clean. Go into your local music store and ask to try a boogie and then start saving. :)
"They have so much gain that if I were to stop at any given time, I get a lot of feedback, so I try not to stop." That kind of mentality killed my brother at a Dream Theater concert in 2001, DAMN YOU PETRUCCI!
I'm sure his setup has the cool crunch sound you are looking for, he just didn't/doesn't have it set to your liking. With the caliber of gear he has, he could produce almost any tone.
@Gyro911 Also, most people don't even realise that the long solos aren't just Petrucci, their keyboardist Jordan Rudess has a huge input too. So before you start talking bullshit, listen to the band first and I mean all of their music. Its so diverse that it doesn't really fall under one category. Its simple Progressive Metal because that it what they're well known for.
Honestly, I prefer Portnoy's playing on his "smaller" kits (which are still pretty big compared to most drummers) - he seems to groove much more, and takes more time in constructing interesting fill as opposed to his usual "4 on top, 2 on bottom" patterns.
@kizonni Oh there were way more than a few pedals there dude. If anything it's gotten simpler. There is one rack box now, instead of a chain of pedals, that lets you plug those pedals in ANY way you imagine, over and over, and save them to presets. Not much has changed. We're still using tube amps for crying out loud. If you plug just a guitar into an amp... you get less than Hendrix,Page,etc. They had all the toys too. Who you kiddin?
I find I'm quite close to my dream sound with just a Mark IVa w/EVM 12L, BB pre, Bad Horsie wah, Me50 in the loop (delay, corus, and volume only). Suits my needs fine, but hey, I'm still in high school :P
does anyone know if he uses the mxr overdrive for the lead tones? it would be strange to do solos without boosting the amp with a pedal for more sustain and smoothness of tone
I still think this rig doesnt do that. But he gets some awesome tones, and I think he nails the tone for his music style. Im not a big mesa fan, especially not of the rectifiers, the mark's sound awesome tho.
This rig doesn't seem as complex as the one in the 2 part "John Snyder builds John Petrucci's Rig," though. Sure, it's not just guitar-wah-amp, but it's worth the shipping cost to get that tone night after night. And to be fair, would you limit Mike Portnoy to a 5-piece with one crash and a hi-hat? Sure, he'd still destroy all others, but what a difference when you have the right instruments at your disposal.
@narayan76 Oh I'm sorry man...well when you talking like that i was kinda curious how you knew this stuff....but please answer this question for me....those employees that work in the Mesa Boogie Factory....do they have some sort of degrees? or how do they got that job in there? I sure will...
Exactly right,and most guys on roids are ripped,John has a natural look,and a quite large gut as well.Tons of carbs,lots of hard work,and 3 yrs one at his age could easily pack 40lbs in that time,cmon man.and Lynch was ripped as hell when he was using,completely different look.Ill bet he is not using roids,I dont even see a vaine in his arms.Very natural..
LOL true, but I'd like to see him play through just a crate and a delay pedal and see how that works out. Actually when I saw him live, it sounded like he was using a billion fx, the room swallowed me with sound, it wasn't even like a guitar at that point.
And it's not that complex of a setup, looks like attention was focused on keeping the signal as clean a possible. For example, the signal doesn't always go through the Wah, as he says, it's rackmounted and switchable. If anything it's a very nice switching system, this is far more complex than what was available in the 60s and 70s. The effects he has are HQ 96Khz frequencies, some of the best currently available, though most people still go WET/DRY/WET to keep that pure center tone. Best way.
@TimmOfficial Given the gear-based nature of the video, I think using technical terms was a better substitution. Plus, I'm a much larger fan of both his playing and DT in general when they were a small-p "progressive" band (Awake/ACOS/FII) as opposed to their more recent large-P (aka musical genre) wankery "Progressive Metal" style. I'll take one "Lines In The Sand" over their last four albums. But hey, that's *me* and my opinion and I'm sure there are tons of fans who're the opposite... ;-)
+ Tc 2290 = 1000 euro TC m3000= 2000 euro Furman PC = 2000 euro etc there is plenty stuff i could still mention im guessing euro prices roughly as is live in UK so the prices are slightly different. I spent about 6k and im not close to some of his sounds if you add all up it will probably come to about 25k euro. and we are talking about having 1 piece of each equimpment... shite huh? :)
Actually, I still prefer Gilbert, I'm a speed metal freak. I just was caught so off guard by what Petrucci was doing, it was way more than just "shred".
The only question I have to ask in terms of His physique is, what is really the muscles for and where does he really use it? Is he doing it for health or is he doing it for Sport? Is he a Martial artist as well? For me, you don't need that type of fitness to impress. It's your music that will define you. It's ok to be healthy but not 'super' healthy.
@Gyro911 I'd only add that modern-day DT should be "The Petrucci/Portnoy Project", as they've taken over the band in terms of production (sonically going much farther into "Radio Metal" since moving to Roadrunner), their *sound* with the guitars and MP's far-overblown kit taking up far too much room in the mixes leaving little room for decent bass tone and any subtlety in vocals and keys, as well as the generic "guitar solo/key solo/unison solo/harmony solo" of their recent songwriting.
I never said he's only been working out one year, nor did I say the first year's maximum potential is only 10 pounds. I already HAVE researched this issue, because I like bodybuilding. I was being lenient. The myth is between 5-15 pounds per year, but there have been people that have done 20-25 pounds of sheer skeletal muscle mass per year WITHOUT steroids... and I'm not talking about water retention. It's easy to get to John's size without steroids. Generally, people are just lazy.
@Gyro911 Haha...DT lacks the talent!! LMAO....Scorpions are better??!! Ha haha....keep wailing those minor pentatonic solos my friend and make them sound really cool by having another hack play a 3rd harmony with you....hahaha....yeah...DT has no creative talent......GOOD CATCH!! The millions of us who love them and their music are all wrong!!! Thank you so much for opening our eyes!! Why are wasting our time??? Thank you so much for your objective and brilliant insight!! You're WINNING!!!
I like the fact that he's really organized with his stuff, and that really shows in his live performances.
This tour was my favorite of his tones of all time
pettruci is one of the few guitarists that can play amazing solo's that arent just blisteringly fast!
got to hang out with him back stage in Boston back in 2015, besides being the great guitarist he is, was an incredibly nice guy
his rig a few years ago was twice as big with twice the heads haha. I love this rig/sound the best so far
he has one of the most impressive rigs i've ever seen
"Those have the most gain. In fact they have so much that if I were to stop at any given time, you'd get a lot of feedback...so I try not to stop."
-John Petrucci
Hahahaha. That last part actually made me laugh a lot. Petrucci kicks serious ass. I like this video. I'm planning on buying a Mark IV
Did you buy it?
Great sound , i like that Leslie West playing style beefore the Rack description , is just great.
@GuitaristEliKing yeah dude, the axess electronics footswitch is a midi controller, he programs the switches to do different things, and when he switches them, the controller sends midi messages to the rack and turns effects on or off
tone cant get any better than this!!!!
2008 is the best petrucci. The sound, the gear setup, the ideas.
Yeah that LITS opening is sick. Thats the 2290 though also making that sound that huge. I just picked up a 2290 this week, I should have it soon. I'll post a demo when I get it.
PETRUCCI.......my biggest influence
For me you are a GOD...!!!!!
THANKS FOR MAKE MUSIC
he uses a noise reductor ns-2 an the chromatic tuner. He also uses some boss effects when he uses a simplest rig, like on g3 tour.
This setup as complicated as it looks is actually much simpler than what he used in earlier tours.
I think it won't hurt to replace all these heads and effects with a Triaxis and a G-force.
Celestion - they are very popular guitar speakers. They are rated for 30 watts which means they distort easily; they are good for crunch and distorted sounds and not bad for clean sounds but there are better choices for clean tones.
I tried a JVM410 two days ago and got a pretty ballsy tone. It sounded pretty close to the Adam Jones of Tool sound. I'm not totally into replicating others' sounds, but they're kind of inspiring.
he is using mesa boogie amps natural all tube distortion, the Mark IV and he also mentions a Lonestar but think he only uses this on clean. Go into your local music store and ask to try a boogie and then start saving. :)
I thought we were gonna get to hear the lonestar lead.
John can break me in half.
Awesome gear, that's a cool push button setup
I'm not a huge fan of Petrucci, but I find these 2 videos really interesting, thanks!
Outside air...I like that description.
"They have so much gain that if I were to stop at any given time, I get a lot of feedback, so I try not to stop."
That kind of mentality killed my brother at a Dream Theater concert in 2001, DAMN YOU PETRUCCI!
I love JP...
It's good only a few were filming that, only a few thousand people died when he started playing
that damn in the presence of enemies solo is so freaking perfect. well yeah ok the other solos are also perfect...
he works out a lot that's his favorite past time besides guitar and spending time with his family
I'm sure his setup has the cool crunch sound you are looking for, he just didn't/doesn't have it set to your liking. With the caliber of gear he has, he could produce almost any tone.
@Gyro911 Also, most people don't even realise that the long solos aren't just Petrucci, their keyboardist Jordan Rudess has a huge input too.
So before you start talking bullshit, listen to the band first and I mean all of their music. Its so diverse that it doesn't really fall under one category. Its simple Progressive Metal because that it what they're well known for.
Honestly, I prefer Portnoy's playing on his "smaller" kits (which are still pretty big compared to most drummers) - he seems to groove much more, and takes more time in constructing interesting fill as opposed to his usual "4 on top, 2 on bottom" patterns.
Yeah I think so. Cool rig by the way. Maybe he works-out be helping the crew put those speakers and other stuff on stage. lol
Petrucci as a Spartan...
"Madness? THIS. IS. MIDI!!" &
"Guitarists, tonight we dine at MESA-BOOGIE!!"
Nice, very interresting.
Does a quality version of this video exist??
i don't think I'd go that far lol, but it was something very strange. Although I love Gilbert when I saw him at G3, Petrucci was something different.
@narayan76 interesting yet how do you know all this stuff? i love to learn more about amps and speakers...
@kizonni Oh there were way more than a few pedals there dude. If anything it's gotten simpler. There is one rack box now, instead of a chain of pedals, that lets you plug those pedals in ANY way you imagine, over and over, and save them to presets. Not much has changed. We're still using tube amps for crying out loud. If you plug just a guitar into an amp... you get less than Hendrix,Page,etc. They had all the toys too. Who you kiddin?
cool cool lo mejor que hay
his distortion comes from the heads, not from pedals...hence all of the heads in the rack and the different settings
One of the buttons releases Michael Angelo Batio from the ceiling who comes and slasher your face open with 4 guitars
I find I'm quite close to my dream sound with just a Mark IVa w/EVM 12L, BB pre, Bad Horsie wah, Me50 in the loop (delay, corus, and volume only). Suits my needs fine, but hey, I'm still in high school :P
Petrucci = God
does anyone know if he uses the mxr overdrive for the lead tones? it would be strange to do solos without boosting the amp with a pedal for more sustain and smoothness of tone
I still think this rig doesnt do that. But he gets some awesome tones, and I think he nails the tone for his music style.
Im not a big mesa fan, especially not of the rectifiers, the mark's sound awesome tho.
I'd like a similar rig to that, except with Marshalls instead of Mesa Boogies, that's just a personal thing.
well great guitarists don't need overly complicated setups to sound great
This rig doesn't seem as complex as the one in the 2 part "John Snyder builds John Petrucci's Rig," though. Sure, it's not just guitar-wah-amp, but it's worth the shipping cost to get that tone night after night.
And to be fair, would you limit Mike Portnoy to a 5-piece with one crash and a hi-hat? Sure, he'd still destroy all others, but what a difference when you have the right instruments at your disposal.
do you think a nova delay could capture that lead delay sound
What are the TC Electronic pieces he has, it cuts in right as he says what they are.
I don't say you're wrong...but I don't think so, it's a long time he's developing his muscles...I think since 2000...
@narayan76 Oh I'm sorry man...well when you talking like that i was kinda curious how you knew this stuff....but please answer this question for me....those employees that work in the Mesa Boogie Factory....do they have some sort of degrees? or how do they got that job in there? I sure will...
Exactly right,and most guys on roids are ripped,John has a natural look,and a quite large gut as well.Tons of carbs,lots of hard work,and 3 yrs one at his age could easily pack 40lbs in that time,cmon man.and Lynch was ripped as hell when he was using,completely different look.Ill bet he is not using roids,I dont even see a vaine in his arms.Very natural..
Its all organized wow
Thanks.
that's the man who knows his gadgets
so he got a lot of rig things and that pedal on the floor is the "remote"? sorry i dont know what it is
Yoy have a great sound!!!
LOL true, but I'd like to see him play through just a crate and a delay pedal and see how that works out.
Actually when I saw him live, it sounded like he was using a billion fx, the room swallowed me with sound, it wasn't even like a guitar at that point.
What is that giant pedal at the start its huge ?
damn, i love this note that comes at 2:01
Yes, we are sure a digital transistor amp sounds better than two tube heads. That's why all great guitarists go for your kinda setup... bah...
And it's not that complex of a setup, looks like attention was focused on keeping the signal as clean a possible. For example, the signal doesn't always go through the Wah, as he says, it's rackmounted and switchable. If anything it's a very nice switching system, this is far more complex than what was available in the 60s and 70s. The effects he has are HQ 96Khz frequencies, some of the best currently available, though most people still go WET/DRY/WET to keep that pure center tone. Best way.
Does he even use those pedals in the rack? Are they patched in/out via his main pedalboard?
"Spell 'God', Timmy."
"Alright, Mrs. Peters. P-e-t-r-u-c-c-i."
"Well done, Timmy."
@TimmOfficial Given the gear-based nature of the video, I think using technical terms was a better substitution. Plus, I'm a much larger fan of both his playing and DT in general when they were a small-p "progressive" band (Awake/ACOS/FII) as opposed to their more recent large-P (aka musical genre) wankery "Progressive Metal" style. I'll take one "Lines In The Sand" over their last four albums. But hey, that's *me* and my opinion and I'm sure there are tons of fans who're the opposite... ;-)
hey where did you find those videos>?
1:33 to 2:18 was amazing
+ Tc 2290 = 1000 euro
TC m3000= 2000 euro
Furman PC = 2000 euro
etc there is plenty stuff i could still mention im guessing euro prices roughly as is live in UK so the prices are slightly different.
I spent about 6k and im not close to some of his sounds if you add all up it will probably come to about 25k euro. and we are talking about having 1 piece of each equimpment... shite huh? :)
@Jebemvamkevu DT are also RUSH and PINK FLOYD fans.
yeah,but still i would get my dream sound with a roadking head and cab,tc electronic g-system,zakk wylde wha and a jackson sl2h!!!
no he had a lot of muscles in the awake period i remember talking about it in guitar world in the 1994 interview
@scarred2112 Oh man that made me chuckle
There are better choices for distorted tones too. Especially if it's a new Celestion. :p:
The distortion are all from amp or from a rack preamp O_O??
"so I try not to stop *killing*"
Probably switched to the Mesa Mark V by now.
lol i'd go that far. but i idolize DT so....yeah, i love gilbert and all, but i prefer petrucci too
What distortion does he use?
he became bigger through the decades..
i like how he endorses boss but theres no boss effects in his rig. i guess thats how music business works
@speedjunkie66 yup
one of the best guitar-sound ever!!!
but i 8 JP!!! sorry!
"...if I were to stop at any time I'd get a lot of feedback... so I try not to stop."
so he tries not to stop during the solos...
the way he said it!
how much can JP rock? :D
Never tried it with something complicated... Maybe next time lol She listens to DT anyway so ya know it'll be interesting...
i wonder how he gets all his amps into just two cabs!?
Actually, I still prefer Gilbert, I'm a speed metal freak. I just was caught so off guard by what Petrucci was doing, it was way more than just "shred".
Does he not use a tap tempo on delays?
@FlankinspanK wrong...he WORKS OUT!!!!!
he was playing the octavarium solo and I was like please don't stop ....do all of it....but then he stopped :-(
huh?you mean the second of blank screen?
I dont chase his tone anymore its great but there is many other good players that have better tone than Petrucci although i love his sounds xD
The only question I have to ask in terms of His physique is, what is really the muscles for and where does he really use it? Is he doing it for health or is he doing it for Sport? Is he a Martial artist as well? For me, you don't need that type of fitness to impress. It's your music that will define you. It's ok to be healthy but not 'super' healthy.
did he say zakk wylde overdrive pedal??
Pretty cool rig, too bad he doesnt got cool crunch sounds.
check his website
@Gyro911 I'd only add that modern-day DT should be "The Petrucci/Portnoy Project", as they've taken over the band in terms of production (sonically going much farther into "Radio Metal" since moving to Roadrunner), their *sound* with the guitars and MP's far-overblown kit taking up far too much room in the mixes leaving little room for decent bass tone and any subtlety in vocals and keys, as well as the generic "guitar solo/key solo/unison solo/harmony solo" of their recent songwriting.
I never said he's only been working out one year, nor did I say the first year's maximum potential is only 10 pounds. I already HAVE researched this issue, because I like bodybuilding.
I was being lenient.
The myth is between 5-15 pounds per year, but there have been people that have done 20-25 pounds of sheer skeletal muscle mass per year WITHOUT steroids... and I'm not talking about water retention.
It's easy to get to John's size without steroids. Generally, people are just lazy.
@Gyro911 Haha...DT lacks the talent!! LMAO....Scorpions are better??!! Ha haha....keep wailing those minor pentatonic solos my friend and make them sound really cool by having another hack play a 3rd harmony with you....hahaha....yeah...DT has no creative talent......GOOD CATCH!! The millions of us who love them and their music are all wrong!!! Thank you so much for opening our eyes!! Why are wasting our time??? Thank you so much for your objective and brilliant insight!! You're WINNING!!!