Izaya Orihara is Awesome
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Music used:
Song 1: He's Such A Coward That He Can Laugh (Durarara!!)
Song 2: Walk on the Diagonal (Durarara!!)
Song 3: Court Jesters (Final Fantasy IX)
Song 4: It's Hard to Stand on Both Feet!! (Final Fantasy VII)
Song 5: Pyrite Town (Pokemon Colisseum)
Song 6: Hohoemi no Kage (Durarara!!) 
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I don’t claim to be an expert about Izaya Orihara, and he’s always confused me a bit. But I find him to be so interesting and such a huge contributor to Durarara’s story, so I felt inclined to share some thoughts on him. Due to my current video workload, I needed to make something that required less prep work so I decided this would be that. So I only rewatched a small portion of the series and made this script much more casual and stream-of-consciousness, rather than trying to be absolutely certain about the facts for this one. As a result, I could have missed something, or forgotten details. For those reasons, some of this could be wrong, so take what I say with a huge grain of salt, but these are just some of my ideas!
I noticed nothing from it was in the video, so I wondered: have you seen the second season?
Because, if you really wanna know more about Izaya, then -- aside from reading the LNs, obviously -- try dissecting DRRR!! X2. (Just make sure you keep track of who's who in the chat room, lol!)
Great video!
Lyla Heart This video does dissect my opinion of Izaya including the later seasons - I’ve seen the entire anime, I just chose to only use visuals/clips from the first season because it’s my favourite one. Also, if you’re ever curious, you can refer to my MAL to check everything I’ve seen! Thanks for watching.
Someone else commented something similar here but for some reason it isn’t showing up. Regardless, my answer is the same as the one above!
Hey dude, any chance you can do a Persona 5 character analysis video, since you apparently like the game a lot?
11:11 is that the pyrate town theme of pokemon colosseum?
Izaya and Shizuo are just the Tom and Jerry of Ikebukero. Change my mind.
Facts have been spoken
There are no lies here.
I can't unsee it now
🤣🤣🤣🤣 WHY IS THIS PERFECT!?!?!
All their combat scenes bring me such joy lol
Durarara videos in 2020? Real shit
Nice name
FR
fr this and baccano are so fucking underappreciated, they're probably top 10 anime tier but hardly anyone talks about them anymore
Cristian Kubiak exactly
Ikr I’m so surprised rn
The best protagonist/villain/side character all in one ever.
naw
Eren Jaeger has something to say about that.
Megashark 101 He doesn't qualify as side character
Shisui Salty True, but he hasn't been in the recent chapters and they're focusing on the other side. Would Izaya really qualify as a protagonist? It's hard to be both since theres such a distinction between the two.
MrChannelforwatching Every character in DRRR can be considered a protagonist because the story revolves around every single one of them and how they each impact Ikebukuro, Izaya's as much of a hero as he is a villain. Just depends on what character you like to follow the most really.
Me: _walks down the street minding my business_
Shizuo In the distance: *IIIIIIIZAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA*
What's good bro!?
Siegfried wahpop!! Do I know you from RMPKENPACHI?
@@flvckoVLONE yes bro
Siegfried lmao I figured, Wahpop with you fam. Lol I just seen Quamax yesterday on JD Witherspoon channel
The fact is that some even made a Creepypasta version of Heiwajima Shizuo here's the link: creepypastafiles.fandom.com/wiki/Depthman
Alecz: izaya orihara is awesome
The Entire Anime Community: Yeah
Strongly agreed
I never liked him until I realized how much were alike
I still have a crush on him.
@@thisisme5911 same
Ask the fangirls
Well, the Novels are really interesting because you can undestand him a little better and with more backround.
How he is describe as a human because he can feel things too and the way He isolated himself to observe.
Also Izaya is very honest with his "wants" but not with feelings.
There is a scene that was not put in the anime and was like the only time that seems Izaya loses control of himself.
"In retrospect Shinra, who lived confidently above this world, did invoke some jealousy in him.
Yet he was attempting to betray even a friend like that. Not a friend by Izaya’s standards, but a “friend” as defined by most people in the world.
- He’ll probably be mad at me if he finds out that I went to meet Celty taking the head with me.
“Haha!”
Izaya couldn’t help but laugh slightly as he pictured his only “friend” by the world’s standards getting mad at him.
There is nothing to be afraid of.
This is the way I have lived my life all along, he laughed as he thought -
Laughed -
Laughed -
Laughed -
He clenched his right fist and slammed it hard into the telephone pole next to him.
It made a loud sound, but since Izaya was in a secluded alleyway, no one took notice of him.
What did Izaya’s face look like?
Why did he slam his fist into the telephone pole?
What was on his mind?
No one in the world would ever know.
Awesome, thanks for sharing!
I remember this scene from the novels! It was nice to see that moment of weakness from him, and it confirms that he truly treasures his friendship with Shinra (although the latter may not agree to that).
I would also love to see more scenes where Izaya shows a little vulnerability but it'd conflict with the tropes he represents (the one watching over the crowd), so I'll just live with what Narita-sensei is willing to share with us.
I know he has some feelings towards Shinra, but I feel like that moment was out of pure jealousy. Let me explain. Izaya has always been jealous of Shina and Celtys relationship, mostly Shinra because his love for Celty makes him different from the rest of humanity.
"He might seem cold-blooded, but he’s more human and his heart more brittle than anyone else. So much, that if it was filled with human love or betrayal, it’d break easily. Which is why, I think, he chose from the start to avoid it all, to love humanity. You understand? Not to accept, not to face it. To avoid it".
(SHINRA KISHITANI ON IZAYA ORIHARA, DURARARA!! VOL.13)
That is one of my favorite quotes on izaya from the light novels. i love that anime izaya was very mysterious. that's what attracted me at the beginning but his character has much more nuance and i wish that it could've been better portrayed. in a way he was very sensitive and very lonely thus he always wanted to be above everyone. he loved humans but he couldn't access to that same love. a very tragic story indeed
That was also stated in the anime. But I might also read the Light Novels to see what the anime missed
@@erois6190 yeah but i felt that part was rushed and it didn't have the same impact than the novel's version. especially after the part where izaya kicks a lamp post after realizing that shinra is the only person he actually cares about (that was also in the anime but it was more subdued).
Remember that one part with Shinra in the novel where Izaya didn’t wanna loose him
yes@@oanastafie3253
YESSS!!!!
Izaya “All I can do is give them a push”
Joker: “All it takes is a little push”
wanna know how i got these scars?
i'm da jokah baybee!
@@doggerlander why so serious ?
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To think they both shares the same personality type lol
Some people want to save the world While others want to it burn except for Izaya, he enjoys the game too much to let it end
"Orihara Izaya is awesome "
The floor here is made of floor
lol
the sky is blue
the body is a meat suit
Water is wet
Air is air
After rewatching this series multiple times I’ve picked up on a lot of details that suggest his motives aren’t always because he’s bored, but because he’s lonely and doesn’t know how to handle it
I think you nailed it though
Honestly, between the hotpot episode where he's sad about not being invited, and the fact that he is seen quite frequently trying to start chats with the other people in the groupchat, I figured as much. I mean, yeah Izaya lies, but that hotpot episode, I just felt like Izaya was geniuenly upset by that, but trying to play it off as a joke.
@@bluebird1914 the light novels emphasize this by making him have a split personality. One being scary beyond words, and one where he’s shown more like a scarred human trying to laugh off the alienation he feels from the rest of the human race by going through with his selfish desires.
His interactions and conversations with Namie specially make it clear.
I think that it is clear he does what he does because he's lonely and doesn't accept it. He doesn't know how to make stable relationship with people because he think that he should be someone else and, obviously, anyone like fake people. And it is the reason why Izaya is mad with shizuo. Because he doesn't understand why Shizuo is so loved when he is rude and scary and he, that act like people want him, isn't loved. He is just a boy afraid of being himself instead of destroying people because they don't like him. (Sorry if I wrote something wrong, english isn't my first language)
This notification awakened the izaya simp within me I buried for the past 3 years
Hey same!
Oh my god same
LITERALLY
I was so happy and confused to see his face in my subscriptions lmao
Mood thooo 😭
I remember the moment Simon punched Izaya, literally and figuratively bringing him to their reality of the situation and making him drop his inhumane, above humans, observer persona. It was satisfying and sad at the same time, because from the looks of it he can not function in a way of everybody else for too long. I think, it is some sort of defense or coping mechanism in order to not have a boring, unsatisfying life, he chooses to observe humans. Additionally, if I remember correctly he tried to call his secretary a friend, even if it was a teasing, sarcastic attempt.
You're right! It is absolutely a coping mechanism. At one point Shinra (I believe in the Light Novels) expresses that Izaya has a very fragile heart. Therefore he doesn't allow anyone to get too close and instead chooses to love humanity as a whole so that he won't be hurt if the one single person he could love does not return it.
It's very sad, especially since I personally believe he could've been a very different person if given the proper guidance and friendship needed during his formative years.
@@magicalmomo9987 That was specifically stated in the anime also by Shinra through the exact same words
Everyone's a removed observer until some context of pain drags them kicking and screaming into reality.
Izaya was actually supposed to fall in love with his secretary in the story too
@@1hundred1 Do you have a source for that??? 👀👀
Durarara is one of those animes that you wish you could erase from your mind just to rewatch it all over again with a new experience. I loved every single character in some way, and that is something that not every anime can achieve.
Yed
A lot of supplementary material exists to further explore Izaya's character. There are 2 stories set after the end of the initial durarara called Sunset with Izaya Orihara which focus on him and his situation after the events of the main story.
There is also the Epitome of Eighteen Histories anthology which is set some time after durarara and features most major characters being interviewed on the topic of Izaya Orihara.
Izaya is a very interesting character but the anime also twists him a lot compared to the novel. In the anime he is portrayed as very inhuman and a lot of characterization is left out to make him more enigmatic. The big scene with Rio also does not exist in the novel and instead Izaya meets up with 2 women who want to commit suicide, one of which later shows up in Durarara x2 and the scene from the beginning is retconned in through a flashback.
The manga follows the novel more closely and chapter 4 and 5 have the replaced scene.
Both scenes are great but paint very different pictures.
Thanks for the info! Very cool.
was it retconned though? i thought they made it two separate incidents
@@marvel096 It didn't exist in durarara s1 canon and got later put back in.
Yeah, I totally agree. Izaya is much more "humane" in the light novels even if he doesn't want to be. My favourite scene of Izaya isn't even in the anime which was very disappointing to me.
@@madeliefynana Well, which one is it?
I just started watching Durarara and was absolutely captivated by Izaya's character, perfect timing
Same
cause he's a little psycho. Social norms don't apply to him.
I got into Durarara because I saw a video of his knife skills and that just made me love him even more
I love him. And it breaks my heart to know that he's in fact so fragile psychologically and emotionally that he has unconsciously formed this identity of "windsock", ready to admit everything of mankind, from the most beautiful act to the worst betrayal . Izaya embraces reality full face and wants to confront the most despicable reactions of humans in order to no longer suffer or be deluded. This is how he was written and Shinra is the only person in the world who understood him.
It’s been quite a while, I should probably rewatch Durarara soon
the line at the end "and that is why humans should love me too" just perfectly sums up everything.
i like the escene where he uses a pawn of shogi in a go table. As it could signify how he seems himself. this piece can take even the strongest piece, being the weakest, and also it can also transform in any piece given the right circunstances. And the fact that he uses it in another game board, could reflect how he separate himself from the rest, and also how he could influence the rest of the pieces. This is just my thought, sry for my bad english.
Had the same read about the scene, there's a lot of hidden meanings there, as his disregard for rules and all that you said
I never thought of that before, that makes a lot of sense! Nice :)
He is 🥺💖✨
Durarara was a damn masterpiece
honestly amazing
The first season, yeah
yes
@@egg1556 it's better than the 2nd honestly
Yep
WHAT!! DURARARA CONTENT IN 2020?? ON RUclips??? YES PLEASE
If I remember correctly, Izaya's favourite writer is Oscar Wilde. That alone says a lot about him. And I love both of them. Izaya is one of my favourite characters in anime and Wilde was a great artist that I adore.
That he is jealous of humans loving each other and the loneliness of his that peeks through his strong façade sometimes can also be seen in his desire to have nabe with someone, hence inviting Namie for the same. Even though in the same breath, he finds it illogical to have a nabe party which is out of season, he is jealous of the love and warmth in that. And Namie can look through it, coz he's that predictable in his behaviour. As you can see, he holds upon that idea when he invites his gang again for a Nabe party. I love his character! Shizuo and Izaya are the best characters because amidst all the chaos and twisted characters, they are ironically the most humane in this city.. ♥️
That bit about his logic with Shizuo made Izaya lowkey scary, dude might be actually crazy
Izaya is a coward ultimately. To love everyone is to love no one. By accepting this point of view he protects himself from being hurt by humans. And he knows his own weaknesses. That's why he will play a game where only he could emerge victorious.
But really I find his character fascinating. And I looooove the first season. Thank you for amazing analysis as usual! ❤️❤️
explain
@@lworld1303 it couldn't have been clearer. izaya needed therapy.
@@oiirs9344 not that vro..that s the ending
@@lworld1303 Basically Izaya is emotionally vulnerable. Shinra says in the last season that he's more human than anyone and has a fragile soul, so he distances himself from others. Without meaningful relationships no one can really hurt you. No betrayals or heartbreaks. That's his way to protect his 'fragile heart.' Kinda like a defense mechanism.
@@hanac5586 ;-;
he is just a scared child trying to hide his desires to connect with people because he is really sensible. he craves it so much he is afraid to get hurt.
when he saved the girl from being bullied but didn't do it with violence it just shows hes not a total asshole.
i literally love him so much i cant
YEESSSS RUclips needs more Durarara!! video essays.
And just like that I'm off to rewatch drrr!
Read the light novels instead! There is so so so much more about Izaya in the light novels
IM SCREAMING!! DURARARA??? IN 2020?? MAN youre a bLESSING
Yup, I love Izaya. My favorite character in Durarara and one of my favorite anime characters in general.
UwU
A lot of people in the comments are making points about the novels. About how Izaya is portrayed in the anime versus in the novels. I would like to point out that both seasons of the anime are almost identical to the light novels aside from a few bonus scenes with the Dollars in season 1, and the lack of the light pole scene in season 2, which I will admit that was an important scene for Izaya’s character. I personally think that it wasn’t necessarily that the anime didn’t portray Izaya correctly. In fact, both the novels AND the anime demonize Izaya through the perspectives of the characters. Izaya’s also not as responsible for all the shit that goes down in drrr as they would make you believe. I also think that it’s a little difficult for anyone to perceive Izaya in the way that he really is through anime format versus in the novels, which analyze him.
I agree with a lot of the things that you’ve said. I’m an Izaya enthusiast myself so I think about him and his love of humanity and what it means a lot. I REALLY like what you said about bringing people down to his level so that he can be a part of him. I think with the amount of information you were working with that you did a really good job with his character!
He’s delightfully illogical. Predictably unpredictable. Contradictory while also perfectly consistent, just like you said! There are a few things that I disagreed with of course. I wish you’d covered his relationship with his sisters and Namie! But I’m sure you had a limited amount of time to work with. Anyway, I just wanted to say I’m so happy you made this!! I love the Drrr series getting more love in the year of our lord 2020.
I think Izaya deserves love and that there’s more to him then meets the eye
Thanks for sharing this, any perspective from novel readers is appreciate and this one is quite illuminating!
I’m also a reader ;)
"Izaya is also not as responsible for all thr shit that goes down in drrr as they make you believe"
THIS!!!! Ppl who think this, tend to ignore that almost all characters in drrr are messed up themselves, and not exactly saints... Most of the time they don't know what they want, and are just conflicted with themselves, with or without Izaya ( * cough main trio *cough)
I am simple girl. I see my husband in thumbnail, I click
I see the izaya simps are rising again... I’m izaya simps
Please do a video for Shizuo as well. My boi doesn't get enough credit next to Izaya while (in my honest opinion) he's just as well written, and serves as the perfect other half of Izaya's coin.
Unfortunately I don't take requests from comments, sorry about that!
@@Aleczandxr That's 100% okay, thanks for all you do! Love your vids
@@Aleczandxr Ok lets word it differently. Do you have a Shizuo vid in the works ?
Lol what do u mean shizuo doesnt get enough credit??😂😂🤣 He is EASILY the 2nd most liked/popular character in Durarara after Izaya
Going to be honest while I really do like Shizuo I outright adore Izaya. The guy has a twisted charisma thats just so fun to watch.
If Hisoka is one hell of a jester, I can’t start to think of how to describe the level of jester that Izaya sits on. He really is a character like you don’t see often ! Gotta love him and hate him and live him again to hate him again ! So enjoyable ! Many thanks to you Alex ✌🏾 An amazing vidéo as always !
Izaya Orihara... When charm meets evil genius. Every scene he's in, he is always in control. The way I see it, Izaya is a "Great Pretender" level con artist.
In control till the russian flattens him
Izaya was my favorite character to read about when I was little, he was just so interesting that I couldn't look away.
UwU
I was waiting for this video!
Izaya is one of my favorite character of all time, he contributes a lot to my love for the series and had the most amazing screen-time, Thank you for this great video :)
You're very welcome!
Izaya trade offer:
I recieve: everything you love
You recieve: information
Please, more Durarara videos! It's such an underrated series.
Unfortunately I don't take any requests from comments, sorry about that!
Aleczandxr durarara videos fading away Thanos style rn
Most fascinating character in the series. Just never sure what hes going to do next. All you knw is that it will be fun to watch
Highly intelligent mastermind who likes pulling strings in the shadows and pushing other people to their breaking to see how they react because the unpredictability of it gives them a kick.
Reminds me of Junko Enoshima.
Bro we got the same opinion
This is literally my favorite anime and he's my favorite character.
Nobody:
Absolutely nobody in ikebukuro:
Shizuo: *IIIIZZAAYYYAAAAAAA KKUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNN*
some even made a Creepypasta version of Heiwajima Shizuo here's the link: creepypastafiles.fandom.com/wiki/Depthman
I fear no man,
But that thing...
**Shizuo**
*It scares me*
11:30 I wouldn't be surprised if Izaya Orihara was the first character created for Durarara or at least conceptualized before Shizuo Heiwajima and best boy Shinra Kishitani.
He actually was created before Shizuo. Shizuo was created because the author didn’t want Izaya to be untouchable.
@@stephy-buckets5152 But still, nobody can ever truly stop me~.
@@izayaorihara4006 ahahah I've never heard something more true! XD
«Izaya Orihara is awesome»
Me: Hell yesss!
He's literally the only reason why I watched and kept watching durarara
Woah Durarara fans at this time of year
There’s something about this anime that gives you a truly different feel whenever you dive deeper into the characters slowly.
No other anime made me feel this way.
The nostalgic feel and the “Something is always going on” kinda feeling.
Love the anime.
Just saw this video in my subscriptions and laughed out loud, one of my favourite characters of any show
An almost 20 min vid about one of my favorite characters, from one of my favorite series, from my fave anime vid essay maker ....
What a gem 🥰
Seriously though. Durarara and Baccano are amazing
Saw the title and started nodding.
Yes. Yes, he is.
Yes finally more content abozt izaya i am glad as so few people talk about drrr now
YALL STILL REMEMBER DURARARA?!?
HELL YEAH WE DO 😤
We never left
Currently rewatching durarara for my 3rd time, great anime.
Same XD
Who wouldnt~?
i saw a clip of young izaya in an amv a few years back and that actually made me watch the entire show. i love this trashcan man
Loved this. Izaya always fascinated me, both in anime and novels. I read and wrote a lot of analysis on him and yours is one of my favourites.
i think this just became another one of my favorite videos from you. amazing work
FINALLY, A POPULAR DURARARA UPLOAD
Me: sees title
Me: Lively. I concur. Excellent work.
I'm sooooo happy you ended up doing this so excited and hyped.
durarara is such an amazing masterpiece and its sad how it wasnt really 'mainstream' like the rest of animes youd usually find
this has been my favorite episode thank u so much
just wanted to say, THANKYOU!!!! the video was amazing!
Great video ! The soundtrack of Durarara is so iconic, that brought back memories. You always have a knack to make me remember fondly characters or animes I loved when I discovered them yeaaaaars ago.
Izaya was easily a favorite and I remember people talking about how no one in the Durarara world loved Izaya (re "I love humans so humans should love me") but a lot of people who loved Durarara absolutely loved Izaya (so in a way wasn't he right haha?).
I always wondered if he didn't feel a tiny bit lonely in that position he choose for himself. But maybe he doesn't need or care for connections more than what he already has. I wonder what his character had become in the light novels or if even the story is finished. Anyway, have a good day!
You have a good day as well!
Izaya content in 2020?? An amazing happenstance!! Thank you for this blessed content!
Definitely one of my favorite characters of all time great Vid!
This channel is where I get all my anime recommendations from!!
omg a drrr video in 2020 we love to see it
your interpretation of him is FASCINATING,, i unfortunately had begun watching durarara in like middle school and had like no real grasp of what's so like, compelling about it, but coming back was wild. this take makes so much sense, we need more characters with this much nuance in entertainment
Takin' me down memory lane here, good stuff my man.
Job well done! That monologue in the end really provides an insight into Izaya’s psyche, excellent choice.
Thank you!
i thought people forgot about him,, i love him so so much thank you for making this x
Oh, you love me~?
Ayyyy, one of my favorite characters ever!
I’m so glad that someone is still talking about this masterpiece of a show!
seeing a durarara video in my explore page in 2020 gave me sm joy !
I actually finished watching Durarara after a good friend of mind reccomend to me and now it's cool seeing a review about him in 2020! I always wanted to make review of Durarara since I don't really see ppl talk about it that much & for fun! This series was very enjoyable, especially season one, and I wish would of watch it when it first came out. Very cool review dude!
Y'know, halfway through this vid, I had a thought. "Pyrite Town's theme would fit right in with the tone and setting of this series huh.."
AND THEN YOU WERE RIGHT THERE. READING MY MIND. KUDOS, FRIEND!
12:20 Top ten best anime confessions of all time.
I remember when you only had 42,000 subs. Congrats on breaking 200,000. You've made great progress and your video quality keeps improving. All around great job, man. Keep going!
Thanks!
Near the top of my favourite characters list for sure.
FINALLY! A video about Izayaaaa! This is why you’re the best
He the first person to unlock Ultra Instinct
Yes
This is honestly my favorite character.
And in a way for some reason I think of him as the crawling chaos in the Cthulhu Mythos. Or hastur.
But that’s just my opinion.
The scene between Izaya and the girl who wanted to commit suicide is my favourite Izaya moment. It summed up his character very well and the impact he would have on the series.
hello!! first i must say, i absolutely love that this video was made in 2020 cause boy!!! drrr is supergreat and it hasnt been off my mind since 2014 :') i'm so happy other people are still thinking and making content about this series!!
i've read the novels and i highly recommend them cause it makes the anime's story so much more clearer (as well as the main theme of the story which is twisted love), and it takes a deeper dive into izaya's character, specifically novel 9 which is all about izaya! (in the anime it's the episode where he's gotten kidnapped by amphisbaena, but there's a lot left out, including the infamous lamppole scene)
the main kicker with izaya is that he's actually quite fragile and selfprotective and divides himself from people so that he won't get hurt, he knows how unpredictable people can be, so he protects himself and his own feelings from potential betrayal or any other sort of bad feelings humans can show by saying that him unconditionally loving all of humanity is enough for him. I find it kinda fun cause as a kid izaya was antisocial and a loner, and then he met shinra :)
Being Shizuo is suffering
Some Izaya Orihara facts:)
He likes dark chocolate ! Izaya hates dead fish eyes, Izaya also reads people by the way he cooks! He fers death more then anyone! Izaya weights himself after every daily shower!
Just some fun-unwanted info!
I wanted that info...
*But there's some "other" info that I want, but nobody seems to have.*
@@Crowtenzz pervert XD You know I love you!
@@izayaorihara4006 Aa\\
@@Crowtenzz hehe~
Bosch voices 2 puppet masters
I was waiting for this for so long
I was just thinking I’m in a need of a rewatch of this show.
Yes he is.
I also love him and his unique perspective on things
Why Izaya is awsome ? Because he is the craziest character in whole series. When you watch Durarara, you love him and hate him on the same time. He helps and interupts in the same time.
And that makes him the most important character :)
"The real issue here is we can't open up human souls and have a look.."
Best analysis videos about, congrats on the 200k+ subs
Thanks!
One of my favourite Animes!!! Love the city vibe to it and an anime spin on the butterfly effect
Great video as usual, I think Izaya imagines himself as the BEST at being human, but then comes the goodest boy Shizuo. Showing him the best in humanity and becoming living proof that the things he believes are not just false, but hypocritical and self serving. Making Izaya in turn "just like everyone else" and above no one.