i also want to point out that jimmy mocks anya for being a bad nurse for not being able to shove medicine down curly's throat, but curly's limbs are amputated. i believe anya was the only person able to do the amputation and close wounds, so she's not weak or impressionable, but it's just jimmy who sees her inferior.
She was also able to keep him alive for over 5 months with little supplies and in unsanitary conditions! Considering the nature of his wounds, she's a godsdamned miracle worker and did NOT deserve any of the BS Jimmy threw at her. She was pregnant and traumatized and forcing pills down Curly likely reminded her of what Jimmy himself did to her. I noticed that Jimmy said he'd been "entertaining her sentimentality" regarding the pain meds which, upon hearing during my second watch through with the understanding of the SA, is deeply disturbing.
and the way he undermines her when Curly tells them the news, by basically saying that Anya was too weak to make it through nursing school and that she's got a few screws loose.
curlys meds were also an allegory for consent. anya feels too terrible for curly to be able to force feed him the pain meds, because he cant take them himself. jimmy does it without any second thought aside from putting down anya. i dont think that curly's limbs were amputated by anya though, its more likely that happened in the explosion. she's only a novice nurse, she probably doesn't have the medical knowledge to be able to perform surgery
@@Vash-Venture she was the only medical staff onboard too. she had to be sole caretaker to a patient with fourth degree burns across his whole body without anyone else to relieve her so she could "clock out" of nurse mode. cleaning, feeding, giving medication, redressing wounds, checking vitals, monitoring, anya did all that while her attacker was creeping around the ship and cutting her down at every opportunity. she also had to look after the other employees' health at the same time, making three more patients she was put in charge of.
The way Curly laughs when you pick up the gun is the thing that gets me the most in this game. He’s laughing at how ironic it is that Anya was right about how much of a monster Jimmy is when Curly as his friend couldn’t see it back then. She tried so hard to hide it from Jimmy and after all that he’s the one to find it right in front of Curly who can’t do anything but laugh. Curly’s acknowledging Anya now but it’s too late.
I can understand Curly though. They'd been friends for years and even though it was clear that Jimmy had assaulted Anya, it would be so difficult to fully conceptualize this and realize that Jimmy is just a psychopath, that Curly's has only been lucky enough to not have been on the receiving end of, until now. Which is what led to all of their downfalls. But people blame Curly, while this was in no way his fault, even considering hindsight (because that's not how that works).
It was his fault, his blindness to the dead pixel Anya hinted at is the cause of everything. Even though he thought he was taking care of his crew, his neglect of Anya's troubles lead to her pregnancy being known by Jimmy, and instead of confronting him, he tried to sort the situation out with him, Jimmy then tries to fix the problem by killing everyone. In that single moment, take responsibility ironically meant more to Curly than to Jimmy. Hence why the game only had two player perspectives, one from Jimmy, one from Curly. And the consequences of his own inaction lead to him having no mouth when he must scream. The truly deep deep end though is that the whole crew, including Jimmy, were victims of a private company and the capitalist system ignoring human needs or protecting predators indirectly.
@@alexhughes6358 not being able to look past your feelings of friendship to do the right thing is kind of exactly what this game is criticizing. is it normal? would doing the right thing have been hard? yes & yes. but that's not being responsible and when curly didn't do that, it was then partially his fault. he has culpability here.
@@alexhughes6358Im definitely blaming him, if only he listened to Anya maybe the ship wouldn’t have crashed in the first place as they idk take jimmy’s position as the vice captain ofc im not saying this is completely curly’s fault, just a small portion of it lmao
i think that it should be said that anya must have been an extremely talented nurse. she managed to keep curly alive with very few medical supplies and in unsanitary conditions without having gone through medical school. thats so impressive.
@@lycorisistrying4943he’s an abuser, ofc he’d be condescending and an asshole to Anya. He doesn’t believe she can do it because he treats her like prey and not someone capable enough
@@lycorisistrying4943 while jimmy was the thing he told her that she was "Irresponsible and not deserving of his own title" is textbook description of jim
Curly wanted to trust his long time friend over Anya, even despite knowing what Jimmy had done to her. He knew when he saw Jimmy take the gun that he made a terrible mistake.
@@leevin5710 anya didn't want him to get the gun bc if he can sa someone, it's likely he'd be down to kill someone too. anya knew that jimmy was fucked up and that giving him the gun would be a horrible idea, and curly tried to ignore it bc jimmy was his friend, he wanted to trust him, but jimmy taking the gun to "deal with" swansea and "fix things" proved to curly that anya was right and that jimmy is a horrible person
So what I understood of the story: The original captain was Curly, he and Jimmy were friends and it's most likely he helped him get this job since he had nothing else. But Curly received news the crew would be laid off expect for him, who received a good promotion. Everyone got the news very badly, Jimmy being the worst. It's very implied he sa Anya, the clues being his already derailed mental state with being turned on by cartoon horses and Anya's conversation about "why the sleeping quarters don't have locks". She told it to the captain, Curly, who tried to get answers out of Jimmy. Seeing how he was already without a job once he got back, and now probably in even more trouble for what he had done. Jimmy decided to crash the ship. Curly tried to save everyone but was severely hurt by the crash. Seeing how they had no hope of help for at least 9 months, you can see Anya gets distraught by this news. And having lost the one support she had from her abuser, being stuck with him now in a position of power above her. Anya gave up and took her own life. Swansea was actually a good man trying to give the best to his assistant, Daisuke. Who he truly believed deserved better than him and the situation he was at. He viewed Daisuke as a shine of light and he saved the cryo spot for him, after Jimmy with his bad decisions made Daisuke get severely hurt and having to kill him to stop his suffering. Swansea gave up. He probably didn’t even hunt us down, seeing how he was tied down and was executed by Jimmy. Jimmy knew he was in the wrong and everyone died because of him, but still he tried to sell himself as a victim. Or saying he wasn't the only one at blame. Only accepting he did something wrong at the very end by taking his life and putting Curly in the cryo pot. But even then, what life does Curly even have in that state ? With the physical and mental damage that Jimmy caused. So even in the end, Jimmy didn’t take real responsibility for anything. And only ran away.
The only issue that I really see here is that Pony Express was being axed, so Curly couldn't have gotten a promotion. Jimmy is mad at him because Curly is able to get the excuse he needed to leave this job and find something he *enjoys* in life, while Jimmy has just lost his chance at getting what he's been climbing towards for most of his life. Curly would still get a win out of the news from Pony Express, just wouldn't get promoted.
Also another hint is that he knew how to use the disinfectant to disable swansea, which is probably what he used on her too. It also explains why they had so little left of their already meager supply.
@spifferd Pony express wasn't shutting down. It just stopped using humans workers in their jobs, it's only said about transportation of cargo. It's stated in the game that Pony express was the only one still using those, as all the other corporations opted for drones. Pony express now was just firing everybody in those jobs to follow the trend. Curly was promoted for something above it, so maybe he would still be captain but on another area of the company. He wasn't disposable like the rest of the crew.
i think pony express was just firing them all, because they're being replaced by AI/drones. since curly mentioned wanting to work with something else, jimmy, in his weird delulu state, took that as it somehow being curlys fault. i also think swansea was saving the pod for anya...
Also I think the IDs matter a ton! Since there's no ID for Anya or Curly in the hallway towards the end, I don't think he feels guilty for what he did to them or he doesn't want to face it. Kind of adding onto the taking responsibility thing in the vents I think it was Anyas face kind of mean he didn't want to face his actions and what he had driven her to
Anya gets nauseous and uncomfortable trying to give Curly the pills. But Jimmy has no problem. He's used to forcing people to do things they don't want to do. The deeper you read into it, the more it makes sense, and the more awful it gets.
@@Borborgmartir That too but as an assault survivor myself I can corroborate that nausea is 100% a trauma response when faced with something that reminds you of that event + all of the emotions that come with having your autonomy stripped in such a personal and impactful way.
God, the imagery in the force feeding scene, Curly's body bristling with valves and hooked up to screens, like Jimmy's conceptualising him and the ship as one and the same. One big broken device that, if he can just twist the knobs and get the readouts just right, he can "fix" like a proper captain should, no matter the inhumanity of what he's putting Curly through. Just genuinely chilling stuff, top to bottom.
anya saying "I have to believe our worst moments dont make us monsters" to jimmy becomes so much more impactful when you think about what she would think his worst moment was... it felt like even though she was scared of him after what he did she still wanted to believe there were redeemable parts of him, and finally she just accepted he really was a monster.
It's even worse when you realize that he stole that line from her and repeats it multiple times later, in some sort of way to comfort himself and shift the blame away from the horrible things he has done
She _had_ to believe it, if she didn't she wouldnt be able to function and do her day to day tasks, as she's forced to constantly see and interact with him
@@vl5164 yeah and thats the thing, once it was clear there was no hope of rescue and she was going to be trapped with the person who SA'd her, building stress from being trapped in a confined space with him, with the prospect of giving birth in such a situation... its no wonder she decided to do what she did. Why prolong suffering for Jimmy's delusions?
@@DocterCoconutI was just coming here to say this !!! Really shows how delusional Jimmy was. Taking his victim's words for herself, and turning them into something fully meant for him
When it was revealed that jimmy was the one that crashed the ship it made me think of during the psych evaluation he was sitting in the left chair of the cockpit, the same chair that you sat in at the start of the game.
When you’re going through the sequence after hallucinated Curly monologues to Jimmy about how sometimes you can only get the “sub par” stuff and you go and get the axe in the cockpit, the axe is specifically stuck in the headrest of the captain’s chair.
Watching this back a second time I realized that Captain Curly going through the sea of blood on his way to do Jimmy's psych eval (29:28) was representative of his guilt of ignoring all the warning signs about Jimmy. Jimmy clearly didn't have his stuff together on Earth. Curly ignored all of it and brought him on as a co-pilot. Curly describes himself as being at the top of the ladder in his career as a good captain. The vision shows them bent because of how covering for Jimmy strained his ability to be a good captain.
+ he never took Anya's concerns seriously, and when confronted with the news of the subsequent pregnancy he doesn't comfort her or get angry with Jimmy. Instead he gives her blithe vagueries about "fixing" the situation the man *he* brought onto the ship caused. Then goes and comforts fucking Jimmy like Jimmy's the real victim. Anya was entirely snubbed by her two superiors and Curly is just as bad as Jimmy in my eyes as an enabler and justifier of assault. I hope this hurts.
I find the use of “take responsibility” to be so interesting because it 100% could be about how Jimmy caused everything on the ship and made the crash happen, but it’s also a common phrase people say when someone accidentally ends up pregnant-“take responsibility” and be a parent. I think the fact that Jimmy has a sequence with the unborn baby, but never with Anya, who he actually hurt, just demonstrates how disgusting of a man he was
And to add onto this, what I find interesting is that Swansea is the total opposite of Jimmy. Swansea doesn’t pretend to be a good guy, and he takes responsibility for Daisuke in which I see them having a father/son bond. While Swansea takes fatherhood with open arms, Jimmy rejects it
@@letsalllovelean478 You’re so right! Swansea *was* a version of Jimmy in his youth but he grew up and was able to see his faults, which allowed him to build that relationship with Daisuke. He saw how his desire to be a “good man” was futile because it was simply an role he was playing. A role he really couldn’t claim the title of because it wasn’t reflective of his actions to his kids and wife. Even his mercy killing of Daisuke parallels Jimmy committing suicide after putting Curly in the cryogenic tube. Both Daisuke and Curly were on the verge of death, living an agonizing experience, but where Swansea decided to put Daisuke out his misery, Jimmy would rather risk extending Curly’s life no matter how painful or short they would be because he can’t handle the thought of blood on his hands that isn’t in self-defense (meaning it’s justifiable).
@@ladyblubel I mean.. *spoilers beware* I think Jimmy's fine spilling blood- as long as it isn't his. Hence attempting to kill everyone by crashing the ship and feeding Curly his own leg. There were 3 other people recently dead who Jimmy could have fed to Curly- heck even Jimmy's leg could have sufficed but he sawed off the only other person still alive- Curly, to himself. Jimmy's a psychopath.
Also adding onto this. Every time Polly shows up in the crazy sequences (except for the scene where the weird horse is stomping around the boxes) you can hear a distorted baby crying. Polly by the end also calls Jimmy “old man”. I feel as though Polly was meant to represent his unborn kid in those scenes. He “takes responsibility” in his own messed up way for the crew. We see his guilt depicted for the majority of the crew, majorly guilt over Daisuke, depicted in the Sorry game pieces in the vent, the flowers, and even when “theres no going back” if you turn around you see a scar across your face like the final blow to Daisuke’s face. We see anger and resentment against Swansea having to kill him over and over in the graveyard, yet some bitter understanding to Swansea during his final conversation with Jimmy. We see his fowl twisted guilt for Curly over his actions to “save” him and “bring him home”. We dont see anything for Anya. But he still brings her to the awful birthday party and seems to want her to care for him over the dialogue he pretended her to say. We never hear anything directly from Jimmy about the baby. We get hints and distorted whispers of a baby crying. Even at the end when he apologizes its for the crew. Its not the responsibility of having that child. It haunts him but he never seems to want to take that responsibility. 99.9% All this to say. I hate Jimmy
@@CoolBeansWe That baby is 100% something that he could never take full responsibility for because it is the only evidence of his crime against Anya. Without it, it would be his word against hers-and we all know how well that would turn out because Anya is very written to be someone who is mentally ill, even before Jimmy started assaulting her. Every man on the ship, after all, believes Jimmy mistreats her but they don’t do anything to really *protect* her. I personally interpret Polle to be a culmination of all the fears that he can’t actually face-how Anya truly feel about him; the undoubtable persecution he would face for raping a member of his crew by the company; the child he didn’t want to be born, even if as a man, he should long for a legacy. In a way, because of what he avoids, Polle ends up being Anya’s section. Someone noticed on Tumblr that Polle actually uses the same text color as Anya too so they’re absolutely connected
The scene that really disturbed me outside the ending sequences is Jimmy blowing up at Anya when she can't give Curly medication. All the scenes where Curly is given pills rather intentionally, I think, evoke parents taking care of a newborn child, as he is incapacitated and reliant on them. And when Jimmy berates her for not performing "what's supposed to be her duties" while ultimately being the one who forced both the responsibility for Curly and the pregnancy on her (there are multiple implications of sa) makes it feel like an abusive husband screaming at his wife who is still recovering for asking him to help with the bare minimum of childcare. It filled me with such visceral disgust that I had to pause and take a walk
Also inorder to give curly medicine you have to forcibly shove them down his throat which given Jimmy Sa'd Anya thats probab;ly why she struggled so much with doing it despite being a nurse. It was probably too similar to what she had done through and would bring back alot of trauma - also how Jimmy was able to do it so easily despite carring for curly - because he has no issues violating someones body to benifit himself. For me atleast that definetly made Jimmy feel "off" even before all the stuff about him is revieled, Devs did an awsome job with the characterisation.
@@Kale.dot.idoscope the moment everything about Jimmy clicked for me was when he spiked a cocktail for Swansea. I immediately went "wait why is this the first thing you think about to solve this. Oh. Oh no"
it’s also him trying to be the victim. He yells at her and makes her feel incompetent, so when he does her the favor he wins both ways. She feels bad and useless for asking, which makes her feel less like he’s in the wrong
oh my gosh i didnt even think about that. hes mad at her for not "doing her job" and feeding curly the medicine, when hes the reason curly needs it in the first place. how far up on a high horse do u have to be to think ure any semblance of a captain just for "taking care of it" cause "ohh anya this is your job ure such a bad nurse ughh" and its your damn fault in the first place. like u should... i dont know... take responsibility for putting him in that pain. feed him the painkillers yourself. double whammy jimmy, ure a jackass ! the amnt of intricacies in this game to solidify its message are insane. actual masterpiece. cause if u think about it in that way, taking responsibility here is like putting yourself in a situation u dont benefit from because you caused it (you are responsible for it) and solving it. "fixing" it. he does not benefit from anya opening up about being SA'd or having a baby (why she wants to hide the gun from him tbh, and probably why he "hopes it hurts"). so he crashes the ship. he does not benefit from being the one who crashed the ship. so its curlys fault!!!. he doesnt benefit from giving curly painkillers. so he blames anya for being a bad nurse & acts like hes being responsible doing it for her. he doesnt benefit from anya locking herself in medical with curly, cause she could hurt curly & if the door is locked he could die w/o resources. its about losing his SCAPEGOAT. so he manipulates daisuke into using the vent & knocks swansea out. his dumbass cant even take responsibility, ACCOUNTABILITY, for being the reason daisuke is hurt, and thinks he can "fix" that too. (& he doesnt, he just lets swansea kill him & then complains after 😭) im not even done going through everything that happens in the game. if at ANY point he took actual responsibility for his actions the game would not have been a tragedy, and that is what makes it so tragic. if he didnt SA anya & get her pregnant, if he didnt crash the ship to escape from that, if he took accountability for crashing the ship & put curly out of his misery; they would of had medicine for DAYS, resources, he could of helped clear out the foam, he could of stood up after steering the ship to the crash and kept curly out of the cockpit but EVERY. FUCKING. TIME. he walks further and further away from a solution that involves owning up to his actions. EVERYTIME!!!!! this game is so well written & such an insane way of demonstrating that awful hero complex monsters hide under. this was partly me piecing things together too so sorry for all the rambles but yea, seriously wow 😭
i'm pretty sure that Jimmy never has a "guilt sequence" for anya....he has an extensive one for daisuke and one for swansea but anya's death is just kind of..there? just further solidifies that jimmy was a monster to her
I’m pretty sure the ultrasound baby sequence was meant to represent that. But again, he’s only worried about the consequence of the baby and has no remorse for his actions.
@@TonyMartin-c3o To everyone in this chat, Jesus is calling you today. Come to him, repent from your sins, bear his cross and live the victorious life
The way this game handles SA is so tastefully done and I appreciate so much as a survivor. There are so many games that handle this subject matter poorly and use it for shock value. This is the first time in a long time I could watch a game that discusses this so subtly that I don’t feel like I want to rip my skin off. No matter what it’s going to be triggering but I don’t know. I just want to give Anya a hug and have a chat with her
I find it interesting that the ways in which media will usually depict an SA survivor (badly) is kind of like how the game portrays Curly after the accident: helpless, vulnerable, barely clothed, with agonizing scenes of him suffering, being humiliated, cut to pieces, and even almost consumed. I appreciate that the game didn’t do any of this to Anya, because so many movies and TV shows will depict a gruesome SA scene to “make you uncomfortable” but it always comes off as plain disrespectful and edgy for the sake of shock value, not to mention a tad misogynistic. Anya got to keep her dignity and as fucked up as it is, chose her own way out.
I definitely think it was done tastefully but at the same time I’m just. Exhausted with the horror trope where the feminine person HAS to be assaulted in some way. Obviously here it’s not done super gratuitously and I don’t think it’s a bad portrayal but I’m sick of it as a survivor. I don’t like the idea that women/people perceived as women *have* to experience the horror of sexual violence for their part of the story while the men get the gore/non-sexual violence/etc horror, as if that somehow wouldn’t be horrifying to put a woman through. If that makes sense? Idk, I’m kinda torn.
@@yakketyyak6414 i get that but the whole point of this game (imho) is to be social commentary on r*pe culture, especially the way even the good men are expected to turn a blind eye and enable it. the emphasis on sugar coating it, not speaking about it for the vile filth it is. mouthwashing.
@@yakketyyak6414 like i wouldnt call it “invoking a trope” in this case- the whole story is about the culture that enables abusers, and it has a lot to say on the topic.
gosh the way jimmy puts anya down constantly and her need to almost compulsively apologize to him. It’s so accurate to how a victim would talk to an abuser they’re forced to be in close proximity with especially if they blame themselves. even her reaction when he asks if she’s crying UGH 😭
The Polle/Anya thing represents the only thing Jimmy fears It's the system. He fears consequences from assaulting Anya. Legal consequences like jail, reprimands like losing his job, getting a record, or hell, even having to pay child support? These things can hurt him. He feels powerful against other people, but powerless against the system. I think that's one reason why Anya and Polle have parallels, with Polle using Anya's text color and such. Even though he assaulted her, Jimmy sees Anya as this woman who could wield the system to ruin his life. In his eyes, she is no better than the company keeping them on next-to-nothing pay and demanding complete obedience or else you get punished. It's probably why he reacts so aggressively to her asking him to do anything, even though they're four people doing their equal shares in a survival situation. Jimmy doesn't like the idea that anything and anyone can punish him, wield power over him. Polle is like this all-seeing god telling them to be careful, to work hard, to always listen, staring out from a billion posters everywhere, hunting him down when he goes into places he shouldn't be (like the cargo hold), and haunting him from inside a woman's uterus. Nobody knows who the CEOs of the Pony Express is, nobody knows who Curly reports to; as far as the crew is concerned, Polle is their boss. And Jimmy hates having a boss. Even that remark he made about being sexually attracted to cartoon horses can be kinda sinister. Rape isn't about sex, it's about power over someone else. Even joking about wanting to fuck Polle, when it's coming from Jimmy, can be an expression of how he wishes he had power over the company he works for, as it's one of the two systems he can actually be hurt by. (The other is the law.) Jimmy doesn't want consequences. Polle and Anya are the only two things on earth that can bring down consequences on him. So he hates and fears them.
@@bigbee3289 Damn. The creators of this game did an amazing job of having Jimmy’s psyche bleed into everything we see without us knowing until it’s too late, just like the rest of the crew
i noticed that too, i haven’t been SA’d but i have had to live in close proximity to the person who gave me trauma too, and how anya acts in the game is so realistic. one could just see the behaviour as a person being sensitive or meek, but in reality its fear and having to tolerate the presence and behaviour of an abuser
little note about getting drunk off mouthwash - when i went to rehab we couldn't have any mouthwash that had alcohol in it because those who were there for alcohol addiction would drink it all. we also couldn't have hand sanitizer or hairspray with alcohol in it for the same reason 😅 so yes it's a real thing people do
i recall watching a korean tv show where a character who was a closeted alcoholic was found to have mouthwash in her office drawer, until then i didn't realise there was enough alcohol in mouthwash to feed an addiction!
a lot of comments here have already tried to summarize points of the story, so im only gonna throw this one idea into the mix. I think the reason Jimmy is so fixated on Curly is because he believes that as long as Curly survives, no responsibility will fall on himself. That's why he seems to care so much about Curly specifically surviving, even over his own life. it's the captain's responsibility to take care of the crew, after all, and Jimmy is only the "captain" as long as Curly is incapacitated. Jimmy's suicide is the ultimate act of selfish cowardice. it certainly isn't an act of guilt or remorse, or remotely selfless, even if he has deluded himself into believing that's the case. as Polle says, "if all of that is true, then why are you still so concerned with *him*?" Whether Jimmy is sincerely apologetic or not, it doesn't change the fact that everything that happens is his own fault. and through the very end, he is fully incapable of ever taking responsibility. that aside i think its a fun detail that Jimmy has been avoiding the psych evals. while i dont think hes actually insane or anything, except near the very end, it's a neat piece of foreshadowing.
really great point!! I also think maybe Curly telling Jimmy “we’ll get through this” was partly to try and keep the peace for the remainder of their trip, knowing Jimmy would be the type to do something drastic if he thought he was in trouble (ie crashing the ship). Definitely could have been more empathetic toward Anya but I don’t think he would’ve anticipated that Anya would rather die than have the baby, or that Jimmy would take his reassurance to heart as much as he did, to the end of preserving Curly over himself.
The glitchy and the jumping back and forth between storys and the words Flashing on screen are a perfect reminder that Jimmy isn't mentally okay even before the end.
@@lhenesey It's heavily implied that the relations between Anya and Jimmy weren't consensual. She's uneasy around Jimmy, she wants the gun to defend herself and when she can't have it she hides it so Jimmy can't get it, her asking Curly why there aren't locks on the dormitory doors, and she doesn't doesn't sleep in the same areas as the others.
I wonder if this is sort of what Judas went through (without all the mentally ill hallucinations), realizing he betrayed his teacher (God himself) for 30 pieces of silver, then feeling so guilty about it he hangs himself as if to fix what he did.
I want to point out how the opening sequence where the ship is SCREAMING AT YOU to change course and you force the crash anyways takes on another meaning towards the end of the game. Heres a fun fact to lighten the mood; In the sequence with the TV in the cargo hold, that skeleton dancing is actually considered to be the first "horror movie." It predates films having plot and is literally the skeleton falling apart and coming back together a couple of times, its like 25 seconds long.
I assume you mean that it represents him telling himself to “take responsibility” instead of running away again, but he ignores it and disengages the autopilot regardless
There’s a lot of great things in this game you can recognize after a rewatch. Swansea: (After specifically talking about Daisukes’ incompetence and Anya’s clumsiness), “Then there’s that teeny bopper thinkin’ only with his downstairs long nose” while staring at Jimmy, the last functioning crew member. Why does Anya get nauseous, even though she’s a nurse, at the “sound” of Curly gagging on his medication that she has to force down his throat, uncomfortably, without his consent. As many people have clearly pointed out, Anya is uncomfortable with interviewing Jimmy alone and is happy to let Curly do it, only after he offers. When Anya and Swansea are talking alone at night in the cockpit, Anya: “No I understand completely. If that’s how it has to be-“ somewhat implying Swansea told her that she can use the last functioning cryopod and he will kill Jimmy and figure out how to survive with Diasuke. When Curly and Anya are talking alone in the common room at night, very specific things are mentioned. Anya:”How many days of transport do we have left?” Curly: “237 days, just under-“ and Anya already knows it’s “8 months”. She’s been estimating. Anya:”Hey, why do you suppose Pony Express put a lock on the medical room door, but not the sleeping quarters?” Curly: “Safety.” Can’t get more obvious than that folks.
@@toriitom My interpretation is somewhat based of what Curly and Jimmy think of the role of the ‘Captain’. Because both Jimmy and Curly know that the captain is the final voice in any trivial or major decision on the ship, from getting basic food rations to extra medication, the gun, etc. BOTH Jimmy and Curly have this idea that without the captain, the ship cannot function as “The lowest rung on your ladder, is the highest rung on ours”. When Jimmy says this, I always took it is as him speaking very distantly about himself and his position as the co-captain. I assume the hierarchy on the ship top to bottom goes, Curly, Jimmy, Swansea, Anya and then intern Daisuke. Regardless, Curly is ‘the most important’ person on the ship, and Jimmy is right under him, which is maybe one of the many reasons he assumes command when Curly is out of commission. Ironic considering how distantly he thinks of his own position and how little responsibility he takes during the game in general. I digress, to the point, I believe that Curly truly believes himself the only responsible and maybe more importantly only capable one on the ship to take care of every small to large matter, animate or inanimate. Which is why he maybe, subconsciously, believes he is the most important person on the ship and without the lock on his door, EVERYONE is UNsafe.
the second she said "8 months" like that i KNEW. i knew she was pregnant. and i immediately feared the worst, since i had already figured out the "jimmy is probably the one who crashed the ship" thing. ough
I have PTSD from being SA'ed and the way Jimmy speaks is incredibly accurate to an SA perpetrator. Won't go into detail because my brains hates me enough for even remembering what happened slightly but the person who did it to me acted and talked in almost exactly the same as Jimmy in this game with the acting like a good guy. Holy crap.
i genuinely love the fact that Sean says, "I genuinely thought that it would be something like a monster got on board, not cabin fever." when there *is* a monster on board. It's just a human.
Man SO unfortunate that this was right below the developers comment. I opened the comments before even starting the video to see what the developers said :,) another lesson in not opening the comments until after watching the video lol
reminds me of a sartre's quote from a play he wrote about 3 people being stuck in purgatory and nothing else : "hell is other people" (it's cooler in french but you get the idea, highly recommended it btw!)
Idk if anyone else has said this, but since curly had no skin, its likely that the cyro pod killed him. Because its supposed to freeze you, which in itself is cold against skin, but curly doesnt have any skin because of the crash
1:47:56 bruh this is so crazy the number of methaphors this game uses is so cool. I find this part interesting because every time jimmy turns around he is “facing responsibility” which makes the screen reset back to looking away from it. Because jimmy doesnt WANT to face/take responsibility of his actions. Thus walking backwards and implying that hes avoiding responsibility. Like that’s actually insane. I love this game
And the worst part is, despite having to face the ‘responsibility’, you have to WALK away from the vent symbolizing responsibility to progress in the game, showing that even though he faced it, he STILL walks away from it instead in the end.
He literally has to back out of it, as if he’s physically unable to face it, probably cause he’s so mentally unstable and locked in a mindset of self grandeur and preservation. The thought of truly facing responsibility is one he fears enough to have onset this entire situation-he curls into a ball after he takes the autopilot off and lets Curly go and handle it, then goes into denial and insists it’s fine when Curly is disabled and in near critical condition, he blames Anya for being hesitant as a result of trauma HE onset for her after SA and insults her medical capabilities in order to push that narrative, only managing to push her even further into depression. When he makes Swansea pass out from alcohol consumption he says something to the effect of “he may not even remember we did this” almost like a self soothing rote he can tell himself so he doesn’t have to take responsibility for it. When Daisuke is being killed, Jimmy doesn’t try to stop him physically and makes a half-assed attempt at going “stop stop stop!” when Swansea lifts the axe, calling him a monster in the aftermath. He backs out in every way, at every turn, in every circumstance-just when you think a hall has come to an end, you turn around and walk the other way to find a completely different outcome. Even in suicide he doesn’t take responsibility for himself, instead taking the credit of “fixing things” as if he’s dying at the behest of someone else’s mistake. Anyone but him. In a way he can’t even admit to killing himself to escape what he’s done. He backed out. What a coward of a man
Jimmy r@ped Anya and got her pregnant, that's why she was saying stuff about why sleeping rooms didn't have locks. His talk with Curly afterwards made him snap, because he knows the moment they land he will get fired and arrested for assault. After the crash, Anya told Swansea about Jimmy r@ping her that's why he became rather violent towards Jimmy at the end. The cryopod was supposed to be for Daisuke, planned by Swansea. He was the youngest and Swansea wanted him to make it out alive.
This is it. Swansea's turn toward "madness" is really him losing all respect and trust for Jimmy and seeking to solve an unsolveable problem with violence. Killing Jimmy won't make Anya less pregnant, but it will make her safer. That Jimmy overpowers him is never seen explicitly, but I think we can infer it from the fact that we see their last conversation taking place with Swansea tied to a chair. Jimmy doesn't just murder Swansea, he executes him. Jimmy is cleaning up loose ends and trying preserve his good name. Swansea DOES try to protect Anya before this as well, guarding the utility room actually serves his ulterior motive of protecting her by restricting access to the vent, which is exactly what happens when he is incapacitated. Jimmy projects his own motives onto Swansea and uses that projection to manipulate Daisuke (along with the implication that Anya might hurt Curly (not herself, which is also telling, since Jimmy probably doesn't care about her wellbeing at all).
And, keep in mind, Daisuke didn't go on the cyropod due to Jimmy's demands. Jimmy knew the vent was dangerous, and he still made Daisuke go through all of that just to meet his end with an axe in his face. Swansea knew Daisuke would just end up suffering just like Curly, and he didn't want that to happen to him since it was practically a fate worse than death. Jimmy blamed it on Swansea because he didn't want to go through the guilt of injuring someone again. (A reference on how he crashed the ship and got Curly into his state shown in the 'afterwards' months of the crash)
@@LUVSlCKN3SS Also notice that Jimmy tells Swansea to stop and not kill Daisuke, but he doesn't actually do anything to stop him. Then he calls Swansea a "monster" afterwards like he didn't sit by and watch the mercy killing unfold.
A lot of comments in this really reveal what a horrible person Jimmy is, but 'we have to knock him out[...] even he has to have limits with alcohol[...] He might not even realise we did anything after the fact'. That's such a fucking maddening line, it indirectly implies Anya isn't his first victim.
Especially since they mentioned he had a troubled past on Earth. Perhaps he sought out a job away from civilization because he was running away from the responsibility of his previous victims catching up to him.
2:15:30 "If that's true, then why are you so concerned with him?" After so many awful experiences done by the monster that is Jimmy, leaving Curly to be frozen is genuinely the worst outcome for Curly. The fact this was all done so that Jimmy can have some "relief" thinking he was playing the hero is so awful. What an awful ending, this was such a well done story and unique game.
I would argue that this is the best thing that could happen to Curly in the state he was in. Normally he would never survive, but now he has a chance of survival, if the ship ever gets found.
@@azerria3416even if he were to come back to earth, what could he possibly do in his mental and physical state that Jimmy left him in? I don't know, I think it would've been better if he put him out of his misery. Keeping him alive was, as op said, his own sick way of thinking he did something right.
@@lemoncake8891 thats like saying the soldiers of ww1 with ptsd from the war would all be better off dead. I still think Jimmy saving Curly was the only good deed he did in the entire game.
@azerria3416 my bad, I guess you're right. From my perspective, I agree that it is a good deed, but he did it because Jimmy wanted an easy way out by then offing himself. Good deed, bad motive? I think.
@@lemoncake8891 I think you're correct. Jimmy saving Curly was in itself a good deed, but this good deed came from a place of cowardice. Jimmy couldn't bear to face the consequences of his actions, so he saved Curly to feel like a hero and then killed himself, taking the cowards way out.
im pretty sure the reason there's only 4 cryopods is becuase daisuke was a last minute addition to the crew, in the coversation where this is brought up curly mentions the corporation not giving them the supplies necessary for an additional member
I was thinking this too when Jack was questioning it but I mean I barely remember what happens in games when I'm actively playing them, especially if I got the information hours ago
Fact is that Daisuke (after the crash) had the highest chance of surviving afterwards since he was an (probably) unpaid intern and not a hired employee anyway.
@@mellyfelis To be fair OP said first person THEY'D seen so they probably don't know who Manly is. But not to discredit your comment either i'm just saying why they didn't mention them.
I think I prefer the mouthwash to not be a metaphore for something else and just be it, as it really add to how dumb this all is when you think of all the suffering and hardship this crew have to endure for something as utterly meaningless as Mouthwash It's not an essential like food, water or even clothes or other hygene products such as soap and stuff, but neither is it a beautifull or meaningfull object such as movies or books or newspaper or even toys or something. Just some product that make your mouth smell better and slightly improve dental hygene, nothing more nothing less, something barely anyone would miss would it be missing. It gives this sentiment of the crew being entierely expendable, their lives are worth risking just to have an industrial amount of dental products. It also imply the people getting those shipments do not suffer from misery as they can afford ressources for that much mouthwash and such our crew is not suffering inside of some sort of apocalypse, they are just disregarded poor people that have to do a deadly and brain breaking job for a useless consummable product
Couldn't agree more, this is exactly what I was thinking! The tragedy and the demise as a result of an attempt to sell something of little to no use. But there's also another undertone: mouthwash as a resource is not only useless in every situation it is applied to; it actually makes things worse.
yeah the fact that the "super secret and important" cargo that the crew literally kills each other and themselves over is just some useless bs really goes to show how evil and uncaring the company is. obviously jimmy is a horrible person and its impossible to know if he would have raped anyone if he wasnt working such a dangerous miserable underpaid job, the working conditions obviously made the consequences much worse.
I think its all that and the title is a metaphor for what Jimmy is trying to do, wash himself clean of the consequences of his actions. But the product was worthless and ineffective, as was Jimmy's attempts to 'fix things'; both only made everything worse. This convo makes me think too, that all of Jimmy's mouthwash related decisions- like the decision to open the cargo, to give Swansea the cocktail, to use mouthwash on Daisuke as a disinfectant (i think), were all key choices that made everything worse. Swansea broke his sobriety and couldnt act as an effective guard against Jimmy, Daisuke getting fatally injured and then put in worse excruciating pain so he had to be put down. Well maybe that's a moot point since all his choices in general are bad lol
i dont see anyone talking about this but you missed a scene at 1:40:20 ! you're supposed to go into medical and anya tells you that she told jimmy she was pregnant. it makes the whole talk with jimmy make a bit more sense, there was still 8 months left of transport so anya had to give birth to the baby which would ruin jimmy's career because everyone would find out he raped her. that's why anya hid the gun, she was afraid jimmy would kill her so he wouldn't have to deal with the baby. clearly she didn't realize he'd go as far as to crash the ship though-
okay, I'm really not easily disturbed, but the part where jimmy feeds curly his leg over and over again while curly throws up repeatedly made my heart sink. what a horrible thing to happen to someone. The way it's tedious just emphasized how thankless the "responsibility" is. The imagery in this game is so damn awesome--really impactful. It doesn't give things away immediately and lets the players chew on existing information and make inferences. in the end, a satisfying storytelling style, in my opinion. great job, dev team!!
Spoiler: A lot of comments about the SA Jimmy commited against Anya, but I haven't seen anyone speak about how that's the reason she can't force Curly to take meds and gets nauseous: the forced induction reminds her directly of the violence she suffered
I was wondering about that. Imagine the only person she can get to give him the pain meds is the guy that gave her the trauma in the first place. It's really fricked up, but she doesn't have much of a choice as there in a confined space with no exit.
Really wish you'd have put a spoiler warning at the start of this comment. I know it's technically my fault for looking at the comments before I finished the video. But damn man, I didn't want to know that happens before I saw it myself. I only read the first line of you comment, too. But it was enough, lol. Not trying to blame you or anything. Just really wish I hadn't seen that...
@@shocktnc I t is implied, but never explicitly stated. Her extreme discomfort around him, his disrespect for her, her asking why the bedrooms don't have locks on the doors, stuff like that.
When Anya is talking to Curly about how much longer they'll be on the freighter and she deflates when the answer is 8 months... it takes around a month to know you're pregnant, so there was no way for her to hide her pregnancy or get medical assistance for it :(
Takes about two months, actually. So yeah, she would have had the baby on the ship. 😓 Also meant there would be no way for Jimmy to outrun the charges.
@@mamadrxgonYou've never seen the exceptionally rare instances where a r@pe charge is taken to trial, have you? A baby is not "proof" of assault, and it is so common stil today to find ways to absolve the assailant of their crime while doubting and shaming the victim. Here are some of my favourite quotes from judges in actual rape trials.... "If someone doesn't want to have sexual intercourse, the body shuts down. The body will not permit that to happen unless a lot of damage is inflicted... the victim in this case, although she wasn't necessarily willing, she didn't put up a fight." - Judge Derek Johnson (2008) “You showed concern and consideration by wearing a contraceptive.” - Judge Arthur Myerson, praising the assailant for wearing a condom. “As the gentlemen on the jury will understand, when a woman says no she doesn’t always mean it. Men can’t turn their emotions on and off like a tap like some women can.” - Judge Raymond Dean “It seems, on the evidence, that this child has not suffered as a result of these offences.” - Judge Hutton, talking about an 8-year-old girl who had been sexually abused "Why couldn't you just keep your knees together?" "Why didn't you just sink your bottom down into the basin so he couldn't penetrate you?" "Pain and sex sometimes go together." - Judge Robin Camp (2016) "[The victim] was older than her chronological age" and "as much in control of the situation [as the teacher]." - Judge G. Todd Baugh, referring to a 14-year-old girl who killed herself after her 31-year-old teacher assaulted her. "...It is a fact of common experience that it is nearly impossible to slip off tight jeans even partly without the active collaboration of the person who is wearing them. [...] Because the victim wore very, very tight jeans, she had to help him remove them... and by removing the jeans... it was no longer rape but consensual sex." - The court's decision in a 1998 Italian case, creating the "denim defense," which wasn't overturned until 2008. (Also, Denim Day is the last Wednesday in April to raise awareness of and condemn the tendency to blame victims of sexual violence for their assault, rather than the perpetrator who did the assault. So that's a good day to wear jeans.) So anyway.... I think Jimmy would have been just fine in that alternative scenario.
Something someone else pointed out that most of us probably missed, which makes things a whole lot darker: Anya took the gun from the cockpit and hid it, just so that Jimmy couldn't get to it. And then, after she told Jimmy that she was pregnant, where'd Curly find him? The fucking cockpit. He was probably looking for the gun. And realizing he couldn't just kill Anya, since Swansea had the ax and the gun was nowhere to be found, he decided to just crash the ship, rather than suffering the consequences he'd face back on earth.
Even from the beginning it’s set up so well to lead you on, I didn’t realize until the second time through that you don’t have the captain’s flashlight in the steering the ship section, a clear indicator you aren’t Curly. Which you wouldn’t know was a thing but is a great touch. I also really liked watching the interactions between characters on the second time through because you realize the nuances and undercurrents going on. The stress Anya feels having to pretend to be fine around Jimmy, how Curly has failed Jimmy by covering up for whatever other fuckups he’s done throughout their lives and how that’s bred such a resentment from Jimmy. How Swansea beats people down because he thinks his own past alcoholic behavior is natural human tendency. Great writing and visuals, this one will stick with me.
2:14:38 i dont know if Jack missed that dialogue, but they mention once in the game that Daisuke is a super new addition to the crew and the ship wasnt upgraded for the new crew size after he joined.
@@technochrome8183 Actually a better explanation than the **Captain Goes Down With The Ship** explanation, gotta keep in mind too that the Ship, Tulpar, is very old as with the crew-mate's comments.
@@kenabaloyan8798 No when curly mentions he should have pushed back harder about them being forced to be a 5-man crew was I think a direct reference to how it meant they were gonna be 1 short in an emergency. I believe they're having the convo in the utility room, with the pods in the background when they're mentioning 5.
No if you watch again that is exactly what Curly is talking about, he says he should of made a “bigger stink” about there being 5 passengers on a ship designed for 4
I genuinely think that this game would be amazing as a movie. I feel like the dev team did an extremely good job in creating the story, and cinematography, and just overall creating an amazing game 10/10. This game is going in my top 5 favorites of all time.
It would be a great film, but i feel like it couldn't be better than it is as a game, where acrually playing as the characters has effe ts on your immersion and feelings about the characters - especially the whole reveal with Jimmy, it just wouldnt have the same oomph of *holy shit ive been playing the bad guy all along* if we'd only ever seen the characters from a 3rd person perspective, you know?
@@Exither. I think it still would. Cinematography could be used to let the audience follow him throughout the story as a "hero" then twist it. It has been done before.
I don’t think it would considering people have a tendency to defend the main lead, especially male leads in movies and tv. Unlike video games you’re in no position to make choices and talk to every character, so you can’t really imagine yourself in the character itself.
Honestly, In the end. It's up to the devs if they wanna take it in that direction. I think it would be very neat to see it as a movie, I like games that tell a conveying story and give people experiences to remember. (Hence why it's in my top 5 of all time) And seeing as a game like *Iron Lung* is getting a movie. It is completely, and absolutely possible for it to be pulled off. Once again though. It's up to the devs and what they want.
the dead pixel scene just gets more painful the more i look at it. of course curly doesnt fucking see it. "doesn't ruin the illusion" "i guess i'm just used to looking at the bigger picture' OUGH. hell. the writing in this game is so solid, the subtexts and words changing meaning coming from different sources, gah
After hearing what Swansea said before he died, I think he wanted to keep the pod safe for Daisuke. Before he puts Daisuke down he sounds like he really did hope the best for him, in a way he was the healthy hopeful person Swansea wanted to be. Swansea knows he was a drunk that only enjoyed life when he was drunk, but Daisuke actually tried to do better, he properly wanted to get better. Swansea didn't want to use the pod for himself, he didn't seem to care much for Anya, and we know how he felt about Jimmy. But Daisuke is a person that, ironically, Swansea probably looked up to. A beacon of optimism in a place of nihilism. I mean the guy LITERALLY felt like he was doing his part by checking the kitchen over and over. Daisuke could never become a Swansea. And I think that's why Swansea liked him, even if he only really showed it when it was too late.
@@VahnXVI Curly wasn’t completely clean, he was just kinda okay with Jimmy’s SA, he seemed to be siding more with Jimmy just saying they could all “work it out”. He didn’t in any way truly take Anya fear seriously, and just said he would talk to Jimmy. Curly wasn’t as bad as Jimmy but kinda got what was coming to him siding with a demon so he earned the ending of a demon’s friend, being fed his own leg and frozen as a living cyst.
It also felt like Swan was taking Daisuke as his child unconsciously, perhaps it was that ray of sunshine that made him want to take care of Daisuke as his own. Well, whether Swan did so consciously or not, this adds another layer to Daisuke’s death. A father figure putting the sunshine out of its misery so that it doesn’t suffer the slow twilight in a scum’s ever painful embrace.
Furthering the fact that Jimmy thought less than nothing of Anya: she mentioned the mouthwash probably couldn't be used to disinfect anything due to the sugar content, and yet Jimmy tries it regardless, and he sounds disappointed after it failed. He probably didn't even register her saying it wouldn't be useful
also i can't help but stop to think that,,, what mouthwash would have a high sugar content, sugar is damaging to the teeth- not only is it useless cargo, it's useless mouthwash
@@moon_jumperYup! Ethanol id also a byproduct of sugars so it technically counts but in a chemical way. And 15% is quite high as most mouth washes contain 5%-7%.
Yeah. Kinda reminds me of "I have no mouth and i must scream". I suppose the reason she is the only female is for plot reasons, specifically the implied SA done by Jimmy.
@@HisFragileMindThat and more men do things like freighting and transport (lack of societal responsibilities like child rearing and family life that more women have or aspire to) than women- so it makes sense outside of plot too tbh. But yeah, definitely part of why.
2:03:26 the part where we feed curly his OWN LEG sums up jimmys entire character. the player and the audience are disgusted at the idea of curly being forced to eat apiece of himself, but in this moment jimmy thinks he’s being righteous, “he’ll thank me for this someday.” no matter what jimmy went through he never learns or come to terms with what he’s done to other people, he only cares about himself, even curly is like an extension of him.
2:11:16 Anya and Curly's IDs are there, but their faces are covered by Jimmy's ID. I'm pretty sure the reason for this is because Jimmy wronged both of them the most in this game. But he has himself in the front because he believes he's in the right and overshadows them.
i noticed this too, surprised not a lot of people are talking about this! it's a nice touch; i loved the symbolism there and i've been thinking about it so much since finishing the video.
Was just thinking the same thing! When Evelyn posted her most recent favorite TikTok video, I just knew that Sean was gonna post one too, and I was STOKED
The way I literally thought to myself "One girl trapped with 4 guys? Sounds like a nightmare, but at least they've left her alone." Before connecting the dots :(
@@watertightrobbery That's just the sad truth about life as a woman. I know people are going to reply saying it's bad for men too (it is) but it's a completely different nightmare for women.
A nice thing to note is how the “leave” option changes to “do nothing” in certain parts of the game. It makes it seem more intense and shows how Jimmy believes that he has to do something, anything.
so Jimmy would have failed the mental health check at the beginning of the trip if Curly hadn't helped him answer the questions. He knew Jimmy was disturbed. Anya begged Curly not to let Jimmy near her and said she didn't want him to ever ever have the gun. She was pregnant by someone she feared. She was terrified of Jimmy. there was a scene with her curled up and looking very hurt. She was obviously deeply depressed. Jimmy most definitely did not have her consent. Four pods, five people. Jimmy was supposed to be left. or the captain was supposed to make sure the crew were preserved and go down with the ship. But they knew Jimmy wasn't to be trusted. ETA: I forgot about the shop only being prepped for 4 crew members and Daisuke being added last minute.
I agree with your analysis EXCEPT the four pods thing is because Pony Express added Daisuke to the crew without doing any of the necessary upgrades. They didn't even have proper rations for a 25% increase in crew. It stands to reason they also didn't bother to add another cryopod for the extra crew member. Otherwise, spot on analysis. Nobody should trust Jimmy. Curly fucked up.
I’m glad you pointed the pod thing out because my interpretation was that just like swansea said a captain should go down with its ship, so there wasn’t ever going to be a pod for Curly
@@HadalStreetlightsexpect he didn't, that test that Jimmy was helping Anya taking care of? That was DURING there stay in ship. the beginning you never suspect anyone is fucked anyone could pass that because somone could just be lucid enough at the time. What's fuck is that there is nothing none of them could have down to.truly stop Jimmy they needed him to help keep the ship running they were fucked from the start. And also curly couldn't have helped him get the job that way sure word of mouth goes a long way but you STILL have to go through tests themselves which means the people choosing the crew KNEW Jimmy wasn't fit but still decided to give him the job. What fucked them in the end is pony express
it was heavily implied that jimmy sa'd anya from the conversation anya and curly had on why there werent any locks on the bedrooms, the gun she couldnt get to protect herself, the condescending tone jimmy had towards anya throughout the game, and a brief conversation with anya you missed on day 0 of the crash.
it kinda was enough "i couldnt protect myself" in the pregnancy convo for me. there arent a lot of ways to get pregnant and it can take violence to get to it
something i realized when watching this lets play is Jimmy keeps saying "ill figure this out" while Curly keeps saying "We can figure this out together"
Good catch. It's really indicative of their personalities. Although, Jimmy sometimes uses "we", in scenes with Daisuke and Curly, although it's probably for manipulation.
@andjelabozic2317 id argue that jimmy uses it so he doesn't have to shoulder full responsibility for finding the 'wrong' solution but is still credited if it turns out alright
57:41 Small detail, but Jack saw Daisuke was physically exerting himself, and immediately changed the way he was speaking to make him sound strained, which I think is really cool and just shows how good of a voice actor he's become :)
It seems like Jimmy didn't care about Curly's pain. The only reason he wanted to keep him high on painkillers was so he won't be able to talk and tell everyone what Jimmy did.
Well no lips will nake sure he can't regardless. No hands and feet to write with, nubs that are raw and bloody can't hold a pen or even point well.... Drugs weren't needed to save Jimmy's secrets from being spilled :(
@@Sqeek17you don’t need your tongue to communicate, you can blink out phrases with the help of someone with 2 braincells (caveman system: say a letter, blink if it’s the one you want. Rinse and repeat. There are more technologically advanced ways to do this, tracking eye movements and such) That being said, Jimmy didn’t care about responsibility for his actions, seeing as he decided to take himself out.
@@DarcMagikianat some point the painkillers got switched to paracetamol which is just acetaminophen (over the counter pain killers) which would not even get close to knocking someone out, he probably just couldnt even speak
Jimmy’s whole tirade about “responsibility” also adds onto the pile of evidence culminating in the theory that Jimmy SA’ed Anya. In real life situations of SA, forced pregnancies, unexpected pregnancies etc, the male perpetrator will often abhor the “responsibility” they created for themself by getting another person pregnant, and take out that anger on the victim. His constant whining about his supposed responsibilities just feels like yet another of one of the many stabs Jimmy inflicts upon Anya
I don't think if that's connected arya just told curly After that the crash happened and curly lost the ability to talk I think it's because he is mad at what he did with the ship And what became of curly
thank you for keeping me sane, i love that the only response to your comment being "ehh nah i think he just wanted to crash a ship" as if the whole ship crashing metaphor is not jimmy deluding himself into think he's taking responsibility.
taking responsibility is a common thing ppl say when someone else gets someone pregnant on accident; to take responsibility (for the child you created).... and he would have to, to both pay child support and maybe go to jail because what better evidence in a trial is there of sa than a literal pregnancy?
I find the sequence of "no turning back now" absolutely mind-blowing. Even though he cannot turn back the easy and obvious way he still finds a way to back out. Shows the mental gymnastics abusers and narcissists make to put the blame on everyone around them.
So, here's my theory about the story of this game Anya was assaulted in her crew quarters. Her line about how the crew quarters don't have locks on the doors vs. the cargo compartment which was locked up so tight they had to make a whole day outta getting into it? And the way the music cuts out when it's suggested the reason is *safety?* I suspect that Anya was forced against her will and conceived. And I think her discomfort with Jimmy tells us who did it. And why Jimmy feels so Entitled to her co operation and is angry at her all the time.
@@GuyUnderTheBridge Because its not exactly realistic for her to say that? Especially if the SA occured on the same trip- bringing up that it was a *crime* could provoke Jimmy to be worse/more violent. Making tension in the crew when raising her voice could get her fired (easily replaceable as shes only a student) and when she was already struggling for money would make no sense. It's a common situation seen irl- Women being forced into silence by circumstance rather then choice.
@@GuyUnderTheBridgeShe keeps saying “our worst mistakes don’t make us bad people” and is clearly a very sensitive, sentimental person. Why wouldn’t she tell others about the SA? Because she wanted to see the best in Jimmy, she didn’t want to believe he was a terrible person, just like Curly, who thought he could “fix” things. I mean think about it- why would Jimmy be worried about his life and reputation back home if all he’d done was consensually have sex with Anya, resulting in a pregnancy? That’s not the sort of issue you crash a ship over. Also, why would Anya be so concerned about keeping the gun away from Jimmy? She also doesn’t want to do Jimmy’s psych evaluation because he makes joking comments about his sexual fantasies, which points to them NOT being an item and evidence of him verging on sexual harassment towards her. I guess we could say it’s possible they did have consensual sex but he just didn’t want her to have his baby and was willing to kill her over it, but he’s still a terrible dude. Or maybe he and Anya did have a relationship and he coerced her into sex, which made her unwilling to accept it as S/A. Since it isn’t explicitly spelled out this is technically all theory, but I disagree with your conclusion that it “doesn’t make any sense”.
@@GuyUnderTheBridgesometimes SA victims don't feel safe telling other people about their trauma, especially a higher up. They may fear retaliation from their abuser or humiliation from their peers. I'm not gonna say she was or wasn't SAed because it isn't solidified, but it irks me that you'd make such a huge assumption of how victims would or wouldn't act in an emotionally charged situation.
@@GuyUnderTheBridge Respectfully, you don’t seem very educated on this topic and really come off like you’ve never spoken to a victim of SA before. Maybe sit this one out, my guy.
@@trinbin101 thank you, this means a lot. I'm alright. I have emetophobia and just finished throwing up for the second time. Sorry if that's tmi. I accidentally clicked on the notification and his voice grounded me in the middle of a meltdown. Thank you for taking the time to reply and express your care
@@birbday I'm sorry? I'm not quite sure what this reply is supposed to mean, even if it is a reasonable theory/opinion. Was just a bit caught off guard, don't mean any offense.
it was probably also the fact that she had to force the pills down curly’s throat-AKA… nonconsensually… and the sounds of curly struggling probably was a trigger after what jimmy did :((
@@tenjenk do you mean the cocktail he gave to swansea? because that would not be the case, since the assault happened before the crash, and they didnt know about the mouthwash till after the crash
@@tenjenk how would an essential item in medical be very specific knowledge for a co-captain? also, how would he make Anya (who doesnt drink) consume something that clearly tastes very strongly of alcohol. also, Anya remembers the assault and remembers who assaulted her, if she was knocked out things would be more complicated and while she would know something happened she likely would not have seen who it was due to being knocked out. like i guess i can see where yall are coming from, but i dont see why he wouldnt just have gone into her room at night and forced himself on her
not sure if anyone else has said it yet, but the imagery in this game seems to be heavily inspired by neon genesis evangelion: the white text on black screens, curly covered in bandages with the single eye and teeth exposed, the computers all covered in flashing red warning signs, the way flesh and technology come together in some of the dreamlike sequences, the blood red ocean, and probably more that I missed!
curlys character design genuinely disturbs me so so much. i have a brother who got into a car crash and ended up not being able to speak and being parylized from his whole right side of his body and whenever i look at curly i instantly think of him right after the crash. like down to the pain killers it just makes me genuinely cry
For the curious: AU is a measurement of cosmic distance; specifically the approximate distance between the Earth and the Sun. AU literally means Astronomical Unit. Its one of the first Cosmic Scale Measurements humans came up with, and the one favored by Sci Fi stories who are sick of measuring everything in Light Years since that is A MASSIVE amount of space. Measuring smaller distances in Light Years would be like measuring percision machines down to the millimeter with a Kilometer long tape measure.
1:36:21 Close enough Sean. It wasn't Swansea, But it's Jimmy that did it. It was implied with the delusion cake with Curly (Jimmy and Curly are 'friends'), the way Swansea talked with Daisuke and Jimmy when they were trying to drug Swansea (he was looking directly at Jimmy the whole time when he said all of those 'stuff' about mangling 'himself' with each new mistake (a solution to his current problem; it's also implied that Jimmy crashed the ship)), and the thing that Anya said to Curly at the cockpit and Curly implying that he can talk with 'him' to fix the problem (kinda like with the 'Psych Eval'. Curly also knows 'him' for years now kinda like a 'friend' or a co-pilot). Though still a sensible answer, Sean. Swansea also knows what happened to Anya, and implied it to Jimmy before he axed the giant screen, he might have also known that Jimmy caused the crash of the ship and that Jimmy blamed Curly for it. Hence why Jimmy was drugging Curly with Painkillers, to shut him up. Jimmy's just digging himself a worse hole with each new solution that he scrounges for. Running away from the current problem instead of **Taking Responsibility**. Both him and the crew suffer for it. Also kinda sad that Sean didn't catch that plea for help from Anya, when Curly and Anya were talking about the dead pixel on the night mode of the giant screen. 'Why were the medical cabinets locked, but the Sleeping Quarters were Not.' (This might also imply that she was looking for solutions to her own current problems. Probably quick suicide.) Overall, I kinda like the theme of the whole game being **Running Away from Your Problems Would Just Lead You To Worse Shit, Than If You Have Just Dealt With It**. For everyone out there, when you mess up and know that you've messed up, Please **Take Responsibility**. Edit: Don't Take Responsibility like Jimmy did, Jimmy's fucked up. Have a better role model for fixing your mistakes 😅
Either Daisuke or maybe even Anya considering her pregnant situation. If Swansea recriminated Jimmy because ¨It was not me who told her stuff. Rather, it was her who had a lot to say, right, Jimmy?¨ it might imply that maybe during their convo in the cockpick Anya might have told Swansea the whole SA and pregnancy situation, maybe because she needed someone to trust as she's afraid of Jimmy....Daisuke makes more sense of course, yet the possibility is there too, as regardless of his mean words we can see he has a strong sense of what is right so....yeah, I can totally see him wanting to give a chance to either the woman who is now carrying a new life or the young one who still has too much to live and may grow in someone better and happier than him. Swansea's the goat fr even for the sole fact of being the only one who actually told Jimmy how disgusting of a human being he is.
begging jack to be less oblivious to the SA in this highkey just due to it especially being ironic in this specific game when guys don't pickup on it and its like. the same issue with curly shown 😭
LITERALLY!! i love him but there’s a really ironic trend with most of the male RUclipsrs not picking up on what happened to Anya when that’s exactly what Curly did
@@sparky0900 It's funny how vehemently certain I was that Jimmy was the bad guy, probably only a few scenes into the game, while still having missed a good deal of the obvious "clues" that people are pointing out in the comments? I quickly decided Jimmy was bad and Anya was a victim (not even HIS victim, necessarily, just "a victim") and then spent the rest of the game confused lol. I think I'm the "female representation" of the male youtuber obliviousness -- couldn't make head nor heels of events, but still clocked the dangerous man and a kindred spirit? Interesting how with the same amount of obliviousness, the things I would need for "survival" on that ship made it through.
Curly laughing was horrific- ‘thought Jack would have reacted less nonchalantly. After screaming, crying, and choking, he laughs, and this is when he does it.
Because Curly came to her asking to retrieve the gun. Anya said she was hiding the gun so Jimmy wouldn’t find it, because Curly refused to let her keep it for self defense. He’s laughing because she was right, and he didn’t listen.
@@coolbri2001 THIS and also because she hid it from him & jimmy found it anyway . id be laughing too ... the only reason jimmy can even access it is because he has the captains code scanner now . what a joke
Interesting metaphor: Jimmy did something horrible, but it doesn't leave a bad taste in his mouth. Hence, he doesn't go for the mouthwash. He doesn't want to admit that he doesn't feel guilty about what he did to Anya, but the hallucinations reveal the truth: he doesn't think he did anything wrong to her, and he doesn't want to face any consequences for his actions. He force-feeds Curly painkillers, numbing him to the horror of Jimmy's actions. Combined with how he only apologizes to Curly for an awful decision that affects all of the other crew members more than it did him, and Anya isn't even mentioned after her death, Swansea is right. Jimmy is a selfish, cowardly bastard.
interesting that when curly found out what jimmy did to anya, his response was "dont worry we can fix it"/being complacent. meanwhile when swansea found out, he immediately went for verbal/physical attacks. also i truly believe swansea was trying to save that cryopod for daisuke (based off his last conversation with jimmy). swanseas pretty cool
What a terrible goddamn coward. What a weak man, with delusions of greatness his own ego created for himself. A petty, mean, selfish man. Its so heartbreaking, watching the story build. Putting together Anya's terrible story, her fear of telling anyone, how Curly might have responded because of who did it. Catching the last lines of her and Swansea's conversation; I'm sure we all thought it was about Curly, when it was about her and the cryo pod. I liked Swansea. I've known guys like him-good guys in bad situations, gruff but concerned and caring. The sheer selfishness of it all though. Being told and refusing to take responsibility. Clearly having a temper and the implication of threatening Anya. Being confronted, learning someone he looked up to knows, and being unable to face those consequences. Losing his job, the final straw, and unilaterally deciding to kill everyone because of his weakness and cowardice. That story was a masterpiece, and the imagery was phenomenal. I very nearly lost my composure the instant I heard the unforgettable noise of an ultrasound, the crying of a baby in the Graveyard while Jimmy did his very best to overcome the reality of what Swansea was protecting, refusing to admit to himself that he is the monster in the night. And the very worst of it all was that, in the end, Jimmy DIDN'T TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY OF IT. He couldn't bear the idea of living with his monumental failures, of the consequences, and so he ran from them in ultimate finality. Small wonder Curly laughed- he knew it was going to end with the gun. He saw it before Jimmy did. I think he was surprised to have lived. This was a story that could have been told in nearly any environment. I'm glad it was told in space, where the emphasis of isolation is heightened. Being placed in a situation like that, confronted with consequences, being forced to look at yourself when the lies a person tells themselves are stripped away, and the ugly reality of WHO THEY ARE is exposed for themselves to truly see, it strikes a deeply personal chord with me. Soke people pull through, take responsibility, cast off the lies, and become better. Jimmy chose to cling to them, even when he knew then for what they were, and took the only route out he thought he had to avoid taking responsibility for the reality of his self. It is a deeply, DEEPLY moving piece of art, and I am so grateful Seán chose to play it.
this is the only comment I've seen that I think reeaaallly understand the whole overarching plot and themes of this game.....I've seen a lot of people say that Jimmy takes responsibility at the end when that is very clearly not true! Just wanted to reply to say I completely agree and kudos to u for giving such a good analysis in a youtube comment lol
As someone with ASPD and homicidal tendencies, this game fucked me up mentally and I had to take several breaks from it. It could just as easily be me making these evil, horrible, selfish, violent decisions. I resonated with this so much because it feels like I'm fighting an inhuman creature in my mind every day and if I lose it's over for me. No more life, no more freedom. I can almost understand the decision to go to such extreme lengths to cover it up, and it creeps me out that I sympathize with Jimmy. There's a truly painful lesson to be learned here.
@@Dandygirl_94 I'm going to therapy, yes. I don't need a priest cuz I'm pretty sure I'm not possessed lol. Thanks for the encouragement. I'm keeping myself mostly sane.
"See this? Just living in the moment. Not a phone in sight, just a man filled with mouthwash dancing with his axe," 1:00:28 is my favorite quote of all time I think
Mouthwashing is amazing, it’s very rare that story from game sticks with me for a while. There are a lot of elements to it that are great to analyze, for example i think that Anya’s SA is an aspect that holds significant importance to the plot and character of Jimmy. I’m glad you played it, it’s great to see Indie games get the recognition
I think it's kind of a metaphor for how society protects men who have SA'd someone because they _"don't want to ruin someone's life over one mistake"_ which ends up ruining _everyone's_ life., but especially the victim.
@@469ka37 And how victims are told consistently that 'one mistake doesn't make someone a bad person.' I think that's what Anya kept trying to tell herself. Despite the fact that she was saying it about other people, I believe she might've also been telling herself that whenever she was around Jimmy to stop herself from derailing every time he spoke to her. She wanted to believe that Jimmy's 'lapse in judgement' so to say, didn't make him a bad person, as it's always drilled into victims of anything (SA, abuse, etc.). Instead, this worsened her mental health and led her down a depressive rabbit hole
I nearly screamed when he missed Anya's dialogue saying she told Jimmy about her pregnancy!! I think it would've made so much more sense to him if he saw it man
Wait so at 1:04:40 is it being implied Jimmy was literally beating the crap out of Curly, and only stopped after he realized the job was hard. Jesus Christ
@@w.whoisrio ok op obviously meant to tag a different time cus theres a painkiller moment where you can hear jimmy punching something (curly) multiple times and you can hear curly grunting in pain. edit: around 52 minutes
1:45:57 That wasn't a swan, that was an albatross -- a DEAD albatross. To grab a concise explanation from Wikipedia: In the poem _The Rime of the Ancient Mariner_ , an albatross follows a ship setting out to sea, which is considered a sign of good luck. However, the titular mariner shoots the albatross with a crossbow, an act that will curse the ship and cause it to suffer terrible mishaps. Unable to speak due to lack of water, the ship's crew let the mariner know through their glances that they blame him for their plight, and they tie the bird around his neck as a sign of his guilt. From this arose the image of an albatross around the neck as metaphor for a burden that is difficult to escape.
OOOO, THATS GOOOOOD especially considering his name contains "swan", i feel like its super obvious that that was one of those subtle symbolisms bcs ofc everyone would just assume its a swan. this is such a cool fact, tyvmm!!!
if the game devs referenced the rime of the ancient mariner, that leads me to think they referenced frankenstein in the game too, since the novel also references the former
Literally just started reading this poem in AP literature. Then I went home. Watched this video. And saw your comment. I now have the perfect parallel to write about in my essay. Thank you. 🙏😂
Sean speaking to you as a child back from when I started watching in 2016ish I can vouch that you've been a big part of my life and many others, just want you to know what, have a good one fam.
When trying to talk to Anya through the medical door she locked, Anya is clearly indicating she was going to do something awful. At first I thought she meant she was going to kill Curly, but after realizing all that shes went through, its clear why she killed herself. Notice how Jimmy, however, didn’t worry about the fact of her possibly killing herself. He was more concerned she would do something to Curly, which would mean he wouldn’t have his scapegoat when they get saved.
It also works great for sleeping. I've had many videos of Jack and Gab on loop before I sleep for the times when sleep just won't come. Works every time
I want to point out that the reason Anya’s name tag is missing in the hallway implies that Jimmy doesn’t feel bad for what he did to her or about her death.
@@Ryebreadtoasted Worse. We see a lot of references to babies both by hearing baby cries during tense sequences (such as the beggining) and even the whole final sequence with the fetus....but they're always related to a baby. Never with Anya. He doesn't feels bad for what he did with Anya, if like he GENUINELY doesn't thinks he harmed her or didn't cared at all. He only cared for the BABY, he only feared the consequences the baby may have brought, hence seeing the baby as some sort of monster that haunts him. There is simply not a single redemeable thing about this guy. He really, REALLY believes he's a victim and a hero.
It’s there underneath everything, you can see some of her hair peaking out on the name tag. I was rewatching and in the very first scene when you open up the utility locker in the cockpit, Jimmy finds Anya’s ID on the wall of it. It’s placed on the inner left side of the metal and behind Curly’s chair, so if he were to go opening it he probably wouldn’t see it. But Jimmy does, and my theory is that Jimmy took it and placed it there as a trophy or a hallucination reminding him of what he’s done for a moment in the midst of him instigating the crash. The creators probably put it there so we’d know what her ID looks like in the hallway scene as it’s covered up so much, but it’s there and being blocked except for her DOB which implies he only associates her with the impending birth of their child and the threat that poses to his permanent record on Earth.
2:14:43 they actually mentioned how the company just randomly added an intern at the very last second. Daisuke was literally fucked from the start (Also him going “I hope she doesn’t blame herself” is quite literally the saddest thing ever because in reality she probably won’t know he’s missing for another 4 months.)
Despite Jimmy being the one with the gun, Swansea holds all the power in their final interaction, through sheer presence, excruciating honesty, and a contagious intensity. Honestly forgot that this was him "losing" because it seemed like he had Jimmy paralyzed by the Lesson he was imparting. Fantastic writing, background audio and video, everything.
I love the little details in this, like Jimmy being the co-pilot and normally sitting in the left seat as shown during the psych eval. Which can tip you off early on if you're paying close attention.
I don't think Jack understood it. At one point Anya says something about there not being locks on the sleeping rooms and how she hates that fact. Jim didn't ask for concent, so instead of dealing with consequences (legal or otherwise) he decided to take down the whole ship.
When Curly goes to find Jimmy after speaking with Anya, Jimmy is standing outside of the cockpit where the gun was being kept. He'd likely either just started searching for it or had already realized it was missing. So he probably crashed the ship *after* realizing he couldn't just kill Anya.
i only wonder how long this went on for. how long did jimmy spend time with curly once the rest of the crew was dead? having delusions and psychosis. truly poor curly
I haven't seen anyone in the comments mentioning Jimmy saying "We make him pass out. Simple. Safe. He might not even realize we did anything after the fact."
Spoiler warning When Swansea says "I sure did talk to Anya, but it was her telling me all sorts of things instead", does anyone think that was implying that Anya was telling Swansea about Jimmy assaulting her?
33:30 Not me tearing up at Sean talking about ladders and mountains lmao. I'm 22 and managed to acheive my main dream of going to university for guitar and becoming a full-time guitar teacher, which is awesome! But for most of this year I haven't known what I'm supposed to be working towards. It gives me a lot of comfort to know that it's okay and normal to finish one goal and you can move to something completely different or to not even have your life goals be about your career. If I didn't get to see people like Sean make doing what they love into a career, I would have probably stopped pursuing music all together and have never gone on to teach, but I guess now I have to figure out what to do with the life I've built. Doubt anyone is gonna read this anyway, I rarely comment on videos but I felt like I needed to say this for my own sake haha.
No one ever climbs a mountain to stay at the top forever. It's about the experience, not just the climb up but down as well. Both trips are equally as beautiful. And there is always another mountain to climb.
I paused the video when he said that and genuinely reflected for a while. It was comforting to know that I'm not going to be stuck wandering on a mountain I'm not entirely sure I want to climb and to remember there are other mountains in the first place, even though I have no clue what other mountain I'd want to climb. Anywho, I really appreciated it too, and I really love Sean for talking about such things in his videos! It really does help in normalising such things and feeling less alone.
2:11:14 The reason Anya’s ID wasn’t on the wall was because Jimmy didn’t feel any guilt for Anya during the whole game, you can also see that after her death when there was no dialogue for her, and how he interacted with her in a condescending like way for the majority of time that they talked with each other.
I wonder if Jack caught onto the refusal to take responsibility, walking backwards into blind denial and ignorance sequence. That was legitimately well done imagery. It's kind of baffling to me that anybody thinks Jimmy actually took responsibility for anything he did or caused. The whole point is that he didn't.
You seem to be on a horror game streak! Maybe consider playing "Bad Parenting"? It got a similar vibe to this game (visually at least). Love to you as always! ❤
Curly calling Jimmy SAing Anya a "difficult situation" for THEM to "fix" when they got back to Earth made me lose any and all sympathy I had for him until that point. Like.....c'mon....
It seems like wish fulfillment on Jimmy's part - we're seeing that flashback from his perspective and he's an unreliable narrator, so Jimmy recalling that moment might actually just be him imagining what he desperately wanted to hear Curly say to him.
@@LOWBORN-the-LOATHSOME I suppose that is a possibility, I personally ascribe to the idea that the Curly Jimmy put in the cryo-pod was already dead. But there's also the scene, when the player is controlling Curly and Anya tells him she's pregnant, and he sputters asking her "how" and she just stares at him and says "I already told you how." So, she told him that Jimmy ass*ulted her. Potentially multiple times. And yet he's done....nothing. And pals around with him like normal.
@@olive92 he couldn't do anything to Jimmy on the ship because there isn't anything to do. He could write him up reprimand him but it wouldn't do anything since they still had months before returning. So as to not invoke a scene on the ship just to keep it running he had to act buddy buddy with him because there's nothing that could be done until they returned. I suppose putting him in cryopod would count for something but it because it's a corporate ship and it's an emergency use only it would get curly in trouble and cause the higher ups to disregard jimmy's actions because as long as curly was alive and captain they would only see anything that happened as curly being incompetent at his job and anything that can or will happen will fall under him
@@ChordsandSotoOfficial given that Jimmy was actively harassing Anya in her job on top of things and there were STILL no locks on crew quarters, then yes. Lock him in the Cryo-pod or in storage. Would have prevented the entire events of the gam and any further /ass*ult/. But they were buddies, so he wouldn't. Once again, Curly was actively telling Jimmy that they "would fix it" when they get back to Earth, and that "they've gotten out of difficult situations before". And that can mead a vast variety of things but I can also heavily mean, since they worked together for years, that this is not the first time Curly has covered for Jimmy being a monster. He was even letting him avoid psych evals and then giving him the answers so he would pass. He knew. And Jimmy was the one he was concerned with protecting.
Devs here! Thanks a ton for playing :) It means the world to us indie folk.
This game and art style is amazing! You guys put a lot of love into it ^^
How did you feel when Jack got the Sweetener by complete chance?
Thank you for all your hard work!!!
is your game inspired by evangelion?
jus started playing the game myself 🤍 you n your teams work is really beautiful
i also want to point out that jimmy mocks anya for being a bad nurse for not being able to shove medicine down curly's throat, but curly's limbs are amputated. i believe anya was the only person able to do the amputation and close wounds, so she's not weak or impressionable, but it's just jimmy who sees her inferior.
She was also able to keep him alive for over 5 months with little supplies and in unsanitary conditions! Considering the nature of his wounds, she's a godsdamned miracle worker and did NOT deserve any of the BS Jimmy threw at her. She was pregnant and traumatized and forcing pills down Curly likely reminded her of what Jimmy himself did to her. I noticed that Jimmy said he'd been "entertaining her sentimentality" regarding the pain meds which, upon hearing during my second watch through with the understanding of the SA, is deeply disturbing.
@Vash-Venture yes exactly!!
and the way he undermines her when Curly tells them the news, by basically saying that Anya was too weak to make it through nursing school and that she's got a few screws loose.
curlys meds were also an allegory for consent. anya feels too terrible for curly to be able to force feed him the pain meds, because he cant take them himself. jimmy does it without any second thought aside from putting down anya. i dont think that curly's limbs were amputated by anya though, its more likely that happened in the explosion. she's only a novice nurse, she probably doesn't have the medical knowledge to be able to perform surgery
@@Vash-Venture she was the only medical staff onboard too. she had to be sole caretaker to a patient with fourth degree burns across his whole body without anyone else to relieve her so she could "clock out" of nurse mode. cleaning, feeding, giving medication, redressing wounds, checking vitals, monitoring, anya did all that while her attacker was creeping around the ship and cutting her down at every opportunity. she also had to look after the other employees' health at the same time, making three more patients she was put in charge of.
The way Curly laughs when you pick up the gun is the thing that gets me the most in this game. He’s laughing at how ironic it is that Anya was right about how much of a monster Jimmy is when Curly as his friend couldn’t see it back then. She tried so hard to hide it from Jimmy and after all that he’s the one to find it right in front of Curly who can’t do anything but laugh. Curly’s acknowledging Anya now but it’s too late.
I can understand Curly though. They'd been friends for years and even though it was clear that Jimmy had assaulted Anya, it would be so difficult to fully conceptualize this and realize that Jimmy is just a psychopath, that Curly's has only been lucky enough to not have been on the receiving end of, until now. Which is what led to all of their downfalls. But people blame Curly, while this was in no way his fault, even considering hindsight (because that's not how that works).
It was his fault, his blindness to the dead pixel Anya hinted at is the cause of everything. Even though he thought he was taking care of his crew, his neglect of Anya's troubles lead to her pregnancy being known by Jimmy, and instead of confronting him, he tried to sort the situation out with him, Jimmy then tries to fix the problem by killing everyone. In that single moment, take responsibility ironically meant more to Curly than to Jimmy. Hence why the game only had two player perspectives, one from Jimmy, one from Curly. And the consequences of his own inaction lead to him having no mouth when he must scream.
The truly deep deep end though is that the whole crew, including Jimmy, were victims of a private company and the capitalist system ignoring human needs or protecting predators indirectly.
@@alexhughes6358 not being able to look past your feelings of friendship to do the right thing is kind of exactly what this game is criticizing. is it normal? would doing the right thing have been hard? yes & yes. but that's not being responsible and when curly didn't do that, it was then partially his fault. he has culpability here.
@@alexhughes6358Im definitely blaming him, if only he listened to Anya maybe the ship wouldn’t have crashed in the first place as they idk take jimmy’s position as the vice captain
ofc im not saying this is completely curly’s fault, just a small portion of it lmao
Jimmy was the dead pixel, Curly couldn’t see it because he only saw the bigger picture. But in the back of Anya’s mind it was always there.
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Wait ur smart
@@violetisagoodcolor3097 it just hit me like a truck🤣🤣🤣I straight up was thinking about the game and was like “oh wow”
@ you might be the next Einstein
gosh.. even the most underlying hints and meanings mean so much to the plot.
i think that it should be said that anya must have been an extremely talented nurse. she managed to keep curly alive with very few medical supplies
and in unsanitary conditions without having gone through medical school. thats so impressive.
all of that and Jimmu still had the gall to tell her she was incompetent and irresponsible
@@lycorisistrying4943he’s an abuser, ofc he’d be condescending and an asshole to Anya. He doesn’t believe she can do it because he treats her like prey and not someone capable enough
@@lycorisistrying4943 while jimmy was the thing he told her that she was
"Irresponsible and not deserving of his own title" is textbook description of jim
He was projecting
I guess the game is supposed to be unrealistic but ain’t no way Capt Curly would’ve survived with all his skin being gone
OHH, Curly laughs when Jimmy unlocks the gun case because he's proving that Anya was right to try to hide it, to "make sure he never gets it either"
Oh god
holy shit…
Curly wanted to trust his long time friend over Anya, even despite knowing what Jimmy had done to her. He knew when he saw Jimmy take the gun that he made a terrible mistake.
I still don’t get it..
@@leevin5710 anya didn't want him to get the gun bc if he can sa someone, it's likely he'd be down to kill someone too. anya knew that jimmy was fucked up and that giving him the gun would be a horrible idea, and curly tried to ignore it bc jimmy was his friend, he wanted to trust him, but jimmy taking the gun to "deal with" swansea and "fix things" proved to curly that anya was right and that jimmy is a horrible person
So what I understood of the story:
The original captain was Curly, he and Jimmy were friends and it's most likely he helped him get this job since he had nothing else. But Curly received news the crew would be laid off expect for him, who received a good promotion. Everyone got the news very badly, Jimmy being the worst.
It's very implied he sa Anya, the clues being his already derailed mental state with being turned on by cartoon horses and Anya's conversation about "why the sleeping quarters don't have locks". She told it to the captain, Curly, who tried to get answers out of Jimmy. Seeing how he was already without a job once he got back, and now probably in even more trouble for what he had done. Jimmy decided to crash the ship. Curly tried to save everyone but was severely hurt by the crash.
Seeing how they had no hope of help for at least 9 months, you can see Anya gets distraught by this news. And having lost the one support she had from her abuser, being stuck with him now in a position of power above her. Anya gave up and took her own life.
Swansea was actually a good man trying to give the best to his assistant, Daisuke. Who he truly believed deserved better than him and the situation he was at. He viewed Daisuke as a shine of light and he saved the cryo spot for him, after Jimmy with his bad decisions made Daisuke get severely hurt and having to kill him to stop his suffering. Swansea gave up. He probably didn’t even hunt us down, seeing how he was tied down and was executed by Jimmy.
Jimmy knew he was in the wrong and everyone died because of him, but still he tried to sell himself as a victim. Or saying he wasn't the only one at blame. Only accepting he did something wrong at the very end by taking his life and putting Curly in the cryo pot. But even then, what life does Curly even have in that state ? With the physical and mental damage that Jimmy caused. So even in the end, Jimmy didn’t take real responsibility for anything. And only ran away.
The only issue that I really see here is that Pony Express was being axed, so Curly couldn't have gotten a promotion. Jimmy is mad at him because Curly is able to get the excuse he needed to leave this job and find something he *enjoys* in life, while Jimmy has just lost his chance at getting what he's been climbing towards for most of his life. Curly would still get a win out of the news from Pony Express, just wouldn't get promoted.
Also another hint is that he knew how to use the disinfectant to disable swansea, which is probably what he used on her too. It also explains why they had so little left of their already meager supply.
@spifferd Pony express wasn't shutting down. It just stopped using humans workers in their jobs, it's only said about transportation of cargo. It's stated in the game that Pony express was the only one still using those, as all the other corporations opted for drones. Pony express now was just firing everybody in those jobs to follow the trend. Curly was promoted for something above it, so maybe he would still be captain but on another area of the company. He wasn't disposable like the rest of the crew.
i think pony express was just firing them all, because they're being replaced by AI/drones. since curly mentioned wanting to work with something else, jimmy, in his weird delulu state, took that as it somehow being curlys fault.
i also think swansea was saving the pod for anya...
Also I think the IDs matter a ton! Since there's no ID for Anya or Curly in the hallway towards the end, I don't think he feels guilty for what he did to them or he doesn't want to face it. Kind of adding onto the taking responsibility thing in the vents I think it was Anyas face kind of mean he didn't want to face his actions and what he had driven her to
Anya gets nauseous and uncomfortable trying to give Curly the pills.
But Jimmy has no problem. He's used to forcing people to do things they don't want to do.
The deeper you read into it, the more it makes sense, and the more awful it gets.
All ways of thinking about this lead to one thing:
We. Hate. Jimmy.
Oh my.
I thought she was feeling nauseous because of the pregnancy.
@@Borborgmartirthat could also be a factor
@@Borborgmartir That too but as an assault survivor myself I can corroborate that nausea is 100% a trauma response when faced with something that reminds you of that event + all of the emotions that come with having your autonomy stripped in such a personal and impactful way.
God, the imagery in the force feeding scene, Curly's body bristling with valves and hooked up to screens, like Jimmy's conceptualising him and the ship as one and the same. One big broken device that, if he can just twist the knobs and get the readouts just right, he can "fix" like a proper captain should, no matter the inhumanity of what he's putting Curly through. Just genuinely chilling stuff, top to bottom.
"him and the ship as one and the same" 🔥✍️
god darn his writing is FIRE ?!
OHHHH YOU ADDED ANOTHER LAYER TO THIS SYMBOL, thank you
MAN amazing analysis of that part. you put it into such great words
how do I get unlock this type of english
anya saying "I have to believe our worst moments dont make us monsters" to jimmy becomes so much more impactful when you think about what she would think his worst moment was... it felt like even though she was scared of him after what he did she still wanted to believe there were redeemable parts of him, and finally she just accepted he really was a monster.
It's even worse when you realize that he stole that line from her and repeats it multiple times later, in some sort of way to comfort himself and shift the blame away from the horrible things he has done
She _had_ to believe it, if she didn't she wouldnt be able to function and do her day to day tasks, as she's forced to constantly see and interact with him
@@vl5164 yeah and thats the thing, once it was clear there was no hope of rescue and she was going to be trapped with the person who SA'd her, building stress from being trapped in a confined space with him, with the prospect of giving birth in such a situation... its no wonder she decided to do what she did. Why prolong suffering for Jimmy's delusions?
@@DocterCoconutI was just coming here to say this !!! Really shows how delusional Jimmy was. Taking his victim's words for herself, and turning them into something fully meant for him
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When it was revealed that jimmy was the one that crashed the ship it made me think of during the psych evaluation he was sitting in the left chair of the cockpit, the same chair that you sat in at the start of the game.
That was my first tell that it might be the way the story was going, yeah
That's what I noticed too
that's exactly how i knew, im glad someone else noticed
When you’re going through the sequence after hallucinated Curly monologues to Jimmy about how sometimes you can only get the “sub par” stuff and you go and get the axe in the cockpit, the axe is specifically stuck in the headrest of the captain’s chair.
I suspect it was jimmy first because we played in the perspective of jimmy the first time
Watching this back a second time I realized that Captain Curly going through the sea of blood on his way to do Jimmy's psych eval (29:28) was representative of his guilt of ignoring all the warning signs about Jimmy. Jimmy clearly didn't have his stuff together on Earth. Curly ignored all of it and brought him on as a co-pilot. Curly describes himself as being at the top of the ladder in his career as a good captain. The vision shows them bent because of how covering for Jimmy strained his ability to be a good captain.
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That's a really cool interpretation holy shit
Another thing is anye noticed the dead pixel in the corner of the screen (jimmy) while Curly couldn’t see it because he was focused on the big picture
+ he never took Anya's concerns seriously, and when confronted with the news of the subsequent pregnancy he doesn't comfort her or get angry with Jimmy. Instead he gives her blithe vagueries about "fixing" the situation the man *he* brought onto the ship caused. Then goes and comforts fucking Jimmy like Jimmy's the real victim. Anya was entirely snubbed by her two superiors and Curly is just as bad as Jimmy in my eyes as an enabler and justifier of assault.
I hope this hurts.
I find the use of “take responsibility” to be so interesting because it 100% could be about how Jimmy caused everything on the ship and made the crash happen, but it’s also a common phrase people say when someone accidentally ends up pregnant-“take responsibility” and be a parent. I think the fact that Jimmy has a sequence with the unborn baby, but never with Anya, who he actually hurt, just demonstrates how disgusting of a man he was
And to add onto this, what I find interesting is that Swansea is the total opposite of Jimmy. Swansea doesn’t pretend to be a good guy, and he takes responsibility for Daisuke in which I see them having a father/son bond.
While Swansea takes fatherhood with open arms, Jimmy rejects it
@@letsalllovelean478 You’re so right! Swansea *was* a version of Jimmy in his youth but he grew up and was able to see his faults, which allowed him to build that relationship with Daisuke. He saw how his desire to be a “good man” was futile because it was simply an role he was playing. A role he really couldn’t claim the title of because it wasn’t reflective of his actions to his kids and wife.
Even his mercy killing of Daisuke parallels Jimmy committing suicide after putting Curly in the cryogenic tube. Both Daisuke and Curly were on the verge of death, living an agonizing experience, but where Swansea decided to put Daisuke out his misery, Jimmy would rather risk extending Curly’s life no matter how painful or short they would be because he can’t handle the thought of blood on his hands that isn’t in self-defense (meaning it’s justifiable).
@@ladyblubel I mean..
*spoilers beware*
I think Jimmy's fine spilling blood- as long as it isn't his. Hence attempting to kill everyone by crashing the ship and feeding Curly his own leg. There were 3 other people recently dead who Jimmy could have fed to Curly- heck even Jimmy's leg could have sufficed but he sawed off the only other person still alive- Curly, to himself. Jimmy's a psychopath.
Also adding onto this. Every time Polly shows up in the crazy sequences (except for the scene where the weird horse is stomping around the boxes) you can hear a distorted baby crying. Polly by the end also calls Jimmy “old man”. I feel as though Polly was meant to represent his unborn kid in those scenes.
He “takes responsibility” in his own messed up way for the crew. We see his guilt depicted for the majority of the crew, majorly guilt over Daisuke, depicted in the Sorry game pieces in the vent, the flowers, and even when “theres no going back” if you turn around you see a scar across your face like the final blow to Daisuke’s face.
We see anger and resentment against Swansea having to kill him over and over in the graveyard, yet some bitter understanding to Swansea during his final conversation with Jimmy.
We see his fowl twisted guilt for Curly over his actions to “save” him and “bring him home”.
We dont see anything for Anya. But he still brings her to the awful birthday party and seems to want her to care for him over the dialogue he pretended her to say.
We never hear anything directly from Jimmy about the baby. We get hints and distorted whispers of a baby crying. Even at the end when he apologizes its for the crew. Its not the responsibility of having that child. It haunts him but he never seems to want to take that responsibility.
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All this to say. I hate Jimmy
@@CoolBeansWe That baby is 100% something that he could never take full responsibility for because it is the only evidence of his crime against Anya. Without it, it would be his word against hers-and we all know how well that would turn out because Anya is very written to be someone who is mentally ill, even before Jimmy started assaulting her. Every man on the ship, after all, believes Jimmy mistreats her but they don’t do anything to really *protect* her.
I personally interpret Polle to be a culmination of all the fears that he can’t actually face-how Anya truly feel about him; the undoubtable persecution he would face for raping a member of his crew by the company; the child he didn’t want to be born, even if as a man, he should long for a legacy. In a way, because of what he avoids, Polle ends up being Anya’s section. Someone noticed on Tumblr that Polle actually uses the same text color as Anya too so they’re absolutely connected
The scene that really disturbed me outside the ending sequences is Jimmy blowing up at Anya when she can't give Curly medication. All the scenes where Curly is given pills rather intentionally, I think, evoke parents taking care of a newborn child, as he is incapacitated and reliant on them. And when Jimmy berates her for not performing "what's supposed to be her duties" while ultimately being the one who forced both the responsibility for Curly and the pregnancy on her (there are multiple implications of sa) makes it feel like an abusive husband screaming at his wife who is still recovering for asking him to help with the bare minimum of childcare. It filled me with such visceral disgust that I had to pause and take a walk
Also inorder to give curly medicine you have to forcibly shove them down his throat which given Jimmy Sa'd Anya thats probab;ly why she struggled so much with doing it despite being a nurse. It was probably too similar to what she had done through and would bring back alot of trauma - also how Jimmy was able to do it so easily despite carring for curly - because he has no issues violating someones body to benifit himself. For me atleast that definetly made Jimmy feel "off" even before all the stuff about him is revieled, Devs did an awsome job with the characterisation.
@@Kale.dot.idoscope the moment everything about Jimmy clicked for me was when he spiked a cocktail for Swansea. I immediately went "wait why is this the first thing you think about to solve this. Oh. Oh no"
it’s also him trying to be the victim. He yells at her and makes her feel incompetent, so when he does her the favor he wins both ways. She feels bad and useless for asking, which makes her feel less like he’s in the wrong
oh my gosh i didnt even think about that. hes mad at her for not "doing her job" and feeding curly the medicine, when hes the reason curly needs it in the first place. how far up on a high horse do u have to be to think ure any semblance of a captain just for "taking care of it" cause "ohh anya this is your job ure such a bad nurse ughh" and its your damn fault in the first place. like u should... i dont know... take responsibility for putting him in that pain. feed him the painkillers yourself. double whammy jimmy, ure a jackass !
the amnt of intricacies in this game to solidify its message are insane. actual masterpiece. cause if u think about it in that way, taking responsibility here is like putting yourself in a situation u dont benefit from because you caused it (you are responsible for it) and solving it. "fixing" it. he does not benefit from anya opening up about being SA'd or having a baby (why she wants to hide the gun from him tbh, and probably why he "hopes it hurts"). so he crashes the ship. he does not benefit from being the one who crashed the ship. so its curlys fault!!!. he doesnt benefit from giving curly painkillers. so he blames anya for being a bad nurse & acts like hes being responsible doing it for her. he doesnt benefit from anya locking herself in medical with curly, cause she could hurt curly & if the door is locked he could die w/o resources. its about losing his SCAPEGOAT. so he manipulates daisuke into using the vent & knocks swansea out. his dumbass cant even take responsibility, ACCOUNTABILITY, for being the reason daisuke is hurt, and thinks he can "fix" that too. (& he doesnt, he just lets swansea kill him & then complains after 😭)
im not even done going through everything that happens in the game. if at ANY point he took actual responsibility for his actions the game would not have been a tragedy, and that is what makes it so tragic. if he didnt SA anya & get her pregnant, if he didnt crash the ship to escape from that, if he took accountability for crashing the ship & put curly out of his misery; they would of had medicine for DAYS, resources, he could of helped clear out the foam, he could of stood up after steering the ship to the crash and kept curly out of the cockpit but EVERY. FUCKING. TIME. he walks further and further away from a solution that involves owning up to his actions. EVERYTIME!!!!! this game is so well written & such an insane way of demonstrating that awful hero complex monsters hide under. this was partly me piecing things together too so sorry for all the rambles but yea, seriously wow 😭
@@boxedupkit how far on a *high horse* and the company mascot is a *horse* …
i'm pretty sure that Jimmy never has a "guilt sequence" for anya....he has an extensive one for daisuke and one for swansea but anya's death is just kind of..there? just further solidifies that jimmy was a monster to her
It might be that he doesn’t view her death as his fault since she took her own
I’m pretty sure the ultrasound baby sequence was meant to represent that. But again, he’s only worried about the consequence of the baby and has no remorse for his actions.
He even has a guilt sequence about THE UNBORN BABY, but never even thinks about Anya, truly fucked up
@@TonyMartin-c3o
To everyone in this chat, Jesus is calling you today. Come to him, repent from your sins, bear his cross and live the victorious life
@@JesusPlsSaveMe do you have no shame bro 💀
The way this game handles SA is so tastefully done and I appreciate so much as a survivor. There are so many games that handle this subject matter poorly and use it for shock value. This is the first time in a long time I could watch a game that discusses this so subtly that I don’t feel like I want to rip my skin off. No matter what it’s going to be triggering but I don’t know. I just want to give Anya a hug and have a chat with her
THIS!! Seeing all the fan content being created of Anya, it really feels like this game has caused a mass healing.
I find it interesting that the ways in which media will usually depict an SA survivor (badly) is kind of like how the game portrays Curly after the accident: helpless, vulnerable, barely clothed, with agonizing scenes of him suffering, being humiliated, cut to pieces, and even almost consumed. I appreciate that the game didn’t do any of this to Anya, because so many movies and TV shows will depict a gruesome SA scene to “make you uncomfortable” but it always comes off as plain disrespectful and edgy for the sake of shock value, not to mention a tad misogynistic. Anya got to keep her dignity and as fucked up as it is, chose her own way out.
I definitely think it was done tastefully but at the same time I’m just. Exhausted with the horror trope where the feminine person HAS to be assaulted in some way. Obviously here it’s not done super gratuitously and I don’t think it’s a bad portrayal but I’m sick of it as a survivor. I don’t like the idea that women/people perceived as women *have* to experience the horror of sexual violence for their part of the story while the men get the gore/non-sexual violence/etc horror, as if that somehow wouldn’t be horrifying to put a woman through. If that makes sense? Idk, I’m kinda torn.
@@yakketyyak6414 i get that but the whole point of this game (imho) is to be social commentary on r*pe culture, especially the way even the good men are expected to turn a blind eye and enable it. the emphasis on sugar coating it, not speaking about it for the vile filth it is. mouthwashing.
@@yakketyyak6414 like i wouldnt call it “invoking a trope” in this case- the whole story is about the culture that enables abusers, and it has a lot to say on the topic.
gosh the way jimmy puts anya down constantly and her need to almost compulsively apologize to him. It’s so accurate to how a victim would talk to an abuser they’re forced to be in close proximity with especially if they blame themselves. even her reaction when he asks if she’s crying UGH 😭
The Polle/Anya thing represents the only thing Jimmy fears
It's the system. He fears consequences from assaulting Anya. Legal consequences like jail, reprimands like losing his job, getting a record, or hell, even having to pay child support? These things can hurt him. He feels powerful against other people, but powerless against the system.
I think that's one reason why Anya and Polle have parallels, with Polle using Anya's text color and such. Even though he assaulted her, Jimmy sees Anya as this woman who could wield the system to ruin his life. In his eyes, she is no better than the company keeping them on next-to-nothing pay and demanding complete obedience or else you get punished. It's probably why he reacts so aggressively to her asking him to do anything, even though they're four people doing their equal shares in a survival situation. Jimmy doesn't like the idea that anything and anyone can punish him, wield power over him.
Polle is like this all-seeing god telling them to be careful, to work hard, to always listen, staring out from a billion posters everywhere, hunting him down when he goes into places he shouldn't be (like the cargo hold), and haunting him from inside a woman's uterus. Nobody knows who the CEOs of the Pony Express is, nobody knows who Curly reports to; as far as the crew is concerned, Polle is their boss. And Jimmy hates having a boss.
Even that remark he made about being sexually attracted to cartoon horses can be kinda sinister. Rape isn't about sex, it's about power over someone else. Even joking about wanting to fuck Polle, when it's coming from Jimmy, can be an expression of how he wishes he had power over the company he works for, as it's one of the two systems he can actually be hurt by. (The other is the law.)
Jimmy doesn't want consequences. Polle and Anya are the only two things on earth that can bring down consequences on him. So he hates and fears them.
@@bigbee3289 wow
@@bigbee3289 Damn. The creators of this game did an amazing job of having Jimmy’s psyche bleed into everything we see without us knowing until it’s too late, just like the rest of the crew
i noticed that too, i haven’t been SA’d but i have had to live in close proximity to the person who gave me trauma too, and how anya acts in the game is so realistic.
one could just see the behaviour as a person being sensitive or meek, but in reality its fear and having to tolerate the presence and behaviour of an abuser
little note about getting drunk off mouthwash - when i went to rehab we couldn't have any mouthwash that had alcohol in it because those who were there for alcohol addiction would drink it all. we also couldn't have hand sanitizer or hairspray with alcohol in it for the same reason 😅 so yes it's a real thing people do
i recall watching a korean tv show where a character who was a closeted alcoholic was found to have mouthwash in her office drawer, until then i didn't realise there was enough alcohol in mouthwash to feed an addiction!
I've seen people on the street resort to buying mouthwash, as well.
congrats on trying to stay clean
Probably couldn't have vanilla extract either
No perfume either 😂
a lot of comments here have already tried to summarize points of the story, so im only gonna throw this one idea into the mix. I think the reason Jimmy is so fixated on Curly is because he believes that as long as Curly survives, no responsibility will fall on himself. That's why he seems to care so much about Curly specifically surviving, even over his own life. it's the captain's responsibility to take care of the crew, after all, and Jimmy is only the "captain" as long as Curly is incapacitated.
Jimmy's suicide is the ultimate act of selfish cowardice. it certainly isn't an act of guilt or remorse, or remotely selfless, even if he has deluded himself into believing that's the case. as Polle says, "if all of that is true, then why are you still so concerned with *him*?" Whether Jimmy is sincerely apologetic or not, it doesn't change the fact that everything that happens is his own fault. and through the very end, he is fully incapable of ever taking responsibility.
that aside i think its a fun detail that Jimmy has been avoiding the psych evals. while i dont think hes actually insane or anything, except near the very end, it's a neat piece of foreshadowing.
really great point!! I also think maybe Curly telling Jimmy “we’ll get through this” was partly to try and keep the peace for the remainder of their trip, knowing Jimmy would be the type to do something drastic if he thought he was in trouble (ie crashing the ship). Definitely could have been more empathetic toward Anya but I don’t think he would’ve anticipated that Anya would rather die than have the baby, or that Jimmy would take his reassurance to heart as much as he did, to the end of preserving Curly over himself.
The glitchy and the jumping back and forth between storys and the words Flashing on screen are a perfect reminder that Jimmy isn't mentally okay even before the end.
FR when bro was lying on his psych evals that was the BIGGEST red fuckin flag
@@lhenesey It's heavily implied that the relations between Anya and Jimmy weren't consensual. She's uneasy around Jimmy, she wants the gun to defend herself and when she can't have it she hides it so Jimmy can't get it, her asking Curly why there aren't locks on the dormitory doors, and she doesn't doesn't sleep in the same areas as the others.
I wonder if this is sort of what Judas went through (without all the mentally ill hallucinations), realizing he betrayed his teacher (God himself) for 30 pieces of silver, then feeling so guilty about it he hangs himself as if to fix what he did.
I want to point out how the opening sequence where the ship is SCREAMING AT YOU to change course and you force the crash anyways takes on another meaning towards the end of the game.
Heres a fun fact to lighten the mood; In the sequence with the TV in the cargo hold, that skeleton dancing is actually considered to be the first "horror movie." It predates films having plot and is literally the skeleton falling apart and coming back together a couple of times, its like 25 seconds long.
I assume you mean that it represents him telling himself to “take responsibility” instead of running away again, but he ignores it and disengages the autopilot regardless
@Amirrorofmirrors No. I'm referring to what Jimmy did to Anya.
@@redgunnit Oh, I see. Thanks for the clarification.
That fact about the skeleton movie is actually kinda cute. You could say the first ever horror movie had me… rattled.
@NutyRiver If you want to look it up, the name is "The Merry Skeleton." Just a happy guy.
There’s a lot of great things in this game you can recognize after a rewatch.
Swansea: (After specifically talking about Daisukes’ incompetence and Anya’s clumsiness), “Then there’s that teeny bopper thinkin’ only with his downstairs long nose” while staring at Jimmy, the last functioning crew member.
Why does Anya get nauseous, even though she’s a nurse, at the “sound” of Curly gagging on his medication that she has to force down his throat, uncomfortably, without his consent.
As many people have clearly pointed out, Anya is uncomfortable with interviewing Jimmy alone and is happy to let Curly do it, only after he offers.
When Anya and Swansea are talking alone at night in the cockpit, Anya: “No I understand completely. If that’s how it has to be-“ somewhat implying Swansea told her that she can use the last functioning cryopod and he will kill Jimmy and figure out how to survive with Diasuke.
When Curly and Anya are talking alone in the common room at night, very specific things are mentioned.
Anya:”How many days of transport do we have left?” Curly: “237 days, just under-“ and Anya already knows it’s “8 months”. She’s been estimating.
Anya:”Hey, why do you suppose Pony Express put a lock on the medical room door, but not the sleeping quarters?”
Curly: “Safety.”
Can’t get more obvious than that folks.
holy shit there are so many disturbing details
could you explain the lock one though on the sleeping quarters? i think i get it but im not sure. like why does curly say “safety” as the answer
@@toriitom My interpretation is somewhat based of what Curly and Jimmy think of the role of the ‘Captain’. Because both Jimmy and Curly know that the captain is the final voice in any trivial or major decision on the ship, from getting basic food rations to extra medication, the gun, etc. BOTH Jimmy and Curly have this idea that without the captain, the ship cannot function as “The lowest rung on your ladder, is the highest rung on ours”. When Jimmy says this, I always took it is as him speaking very distantly about himself and his position as the co-captain. I assume the hierarchy on the ship top to bottom goes, Curly, Jimmy, Swansea, Anya and then intern Daisuke. Regardless, Curly is ‘the most important’ person on the ship, and Jimmy is right under him, which is maybe one of the many reasons he assumes command when Curly is out of commission. Ironic considering how distantly he thinks of his own position and how little responsibility he takes during the game in general.
I digress, to the point, I believe that Curly truly believes himself the only responsible and maybe more importantly only capable one on the ship to take care of every small to large matter, animate or inanimate. Which is why he maybe, subconsciously, believes he is the most important person on the ship and without the lock on his door, EVERYONE is UNsafe.
@@-Offstar haha k.
the second she said "8 months" like that i KNEW. i knew she was pregnant. and i immediately feared the worst, since i had already figured out the "jimmy is probably the one who crashed the ship" thing. ough
I have PTSD from being SA'ed and the way Jimmy speaks is incredibly accurate to an SA perpetrator. Won't go into detail because my brains hates me enough for even remembering what happened slightly but the person who did it to me acted and talked in almost exactly the same as Jimmy in this game with the acting like a good guy.
Holy crap.
I was SA’ed and he acted like that too
as a fellow victim the way he talks to anya immediately gave me the worst chills
yeah same here. there’s this weird thing i’ve noticed where perpetrators will say something to the effect of “i would (seriously harm) a SA-er”
Constantly talking down to her.. emotional manipulation.. always painting himself the "savior"
yeah he's a narcissist.
Felt this but it was my entire family acting this way
Some of them acted more like curly’s role in all this
i genuinely love the fact that Sean says, "I genuinely thought that it would be something like a monster got on board, not cabin fever." when there *is* a monster on board. It's just a human.
The Fact That The whole last part was him just tripping in Gulit and Regrets
Man SO unfortunate that this was right below the developers comment. I opened the comments before even starting the video to see what the developers said :,) another lesson in not opening the comments until after watching the video lol
@@livingskeleton319 Caught Lacking I see
Feels less impactful when someone just summarizes it like this...
reminds me of a sartre's quote from a play he wrote about 3 people being stuck in purgatory and nothing else : "hell is other people" (it's cooler in french but you get the idea, highly recommended it btw!)
Idk if anyone else has said this, but since curly had no skin, its likely that the cyro pod killed him. Because its supposed to freeze you, which in itself is cold against skin, but curly doesnt have any skin because of the crash
That’s such a good point
wait stop dont say this i like to believe curly lived😭
@goodanniee to be fair, even if he did live he'd only be suffering with the state he's in 😭
@ i mean with the doctors on earth they could keep him in a much better state probably
1:47:56 bruh this is so crazy the number of methaphors this game uses is so cool. I find this part interesting because every time jimmy turns around he is “facing responsibility” which makes the screen reset back to looking away from it. Because jimmy doesnt WANT to face/take responsibility of his actions. Thus walking backwards and implying that hes avoiding responsibility. Like that’s actually insane. I love this game
and the screen that fades into existence is the face of Daisuke after he died
And the worst part is, despite having to face the ‘responsibility’, you have to WALK away from the vent symbolizing responsibility to progress in the game, showing that even though he faced it, he STILL walks away from it instead in the end.
He literally has to back out of it, as if he’s physically unable to face it, probably cause he’s so mentally unstable and locked in a mindset of self grandeur and preservation. The thought of truly facing responsibility is one he fears enough to have onset this entire situation-he curls into a ball after he takes the autopilot off and lets Curly go and handle it, then goes into denial and insists it’s fine when Curly is disabled and in near critical condition, he blames Anya for being hesitant as a result of trauma HE onset for her after SA and insults her medical capabilities in order to push that narrative, only managing to push her even further into depression. When he makes Swansea pass out from alcohol consumption he says something to the effect of “he may not even remember we did this” almost like a self soothing rote he can tell himself so he doesn’t have to take responsibility for it. When Daisuke is being killed, Jimmy doesn’t try to stop him physically and makes a half-assed attempt at going “stop stop stop!” when Swansea lifts the axe, calling him a monster in the aftermath. He backs out in every way, at every turn, in every circumstance-just when you think a hall has come to an end, you turn around and walk the other way to find a completely different outcome. Even in suicide he doesn’t take responsibility for himself, instead taking the credit of “fixing things” as if he’s dying at the behest of someone else’s mistake. Anyone but him.
In a way he can’t even admit to killing himself to escape what he’s done. He backed out. What a coward of a man
Jimmy r@ped Anya and got her pregnant, that's why she was saying stuff about why sleeping rooms didn't have locks. His talk with Curly afterwards made him snap, because he knows the moment they land he will get fired and arrested for assault. After the crash, Anya told Swansea about Jimmy r@ping her that's why he became rather violent towards Jimmy at the end.
The cryopod was supposed to be for Daisuke, planned by Swansea. He was the youngest and Swansea wanted him to make it out alive.
This is it. Swansea's turn toward "madness" is really him losing all respect and trust for Jimmy and seeking to solve an unsolveable problem with violence. Killing Jimmy won't make Anya less pregnant, but it will make her safer. That Jimmy overpowers him is never seen explicitly, but I think we can infer it from the fact that we see their last conversation taking place with Swansea tied to a chair. Jimmy doesn't just murder Swansea, he executes him. Jimmy is cleaning up loose ends and trying preserve his good name. Swansea DOES try to protect Anya before this as well, guarding the utility room actually serves his ulterior motive of protecting her by restricting access to the vent, which is exactly what happens when he is incapacitated. Jimmy projects his own motives onto Swansea and uses that projection to manipulate Daisuke (along with the implication that Anya might hurt Curly (not herself, which is also telling, since Jimmy probably doesn't care about her wellbeing at all).
And, keep in mind, Daisuke didn't go on the cyropod due to Jimmy's demands. Jimmy knew the vent was dangerous, and he still made Daisuke go through all of that just to meet his end with an axe in his face. Swansea knew Daisuke would just end up suffering just like Curly, and he didn't want that to happen to him since it was practically a fate worse than death. Jimmy blamed it on Swansea because he didn't want to go through the guilt of injuring someone again. (A reference on how he crashed the ship and got Curly into his state shown in the 'afterwards' months of the crash)
@@LUVSlCKN3SS Also notice that Jimmy tells Swansea to stop and not kill Daisuke, but he doesn't actually do anything to stop him. Then he calls Swansea a "monster" afterwards like he didn't sit by and watch the mercy killing unfold.
when did they mention the crews quarters not having locks?? I keep seeing it mentioned but I guess I missed it, anyone have a time stamp?
@@s0ur.lem0ns40 1:07:49 During the "missing pixel" flashback.
A lot of comments in this really reveal what a horrible person Jimmy is, but 'we have to knock him out[...] even he has to have limits with alcohol[...] He might not even realise we did anything after the fact'. That's such a fucking maddening line, it indirectly implies Anya isn't his first victim.
Oh god i didn't even connect that. I feel sick.
Oh my god. This game is fucking genius and it makes me sick
Especially since they mentioned he had a troubled past on Earth. Perhaps he sought out a job away from civilization because he was running away from the responsibility of his previous victims catching up to him.
2:15:30 "If that's true, then why are you so concerned with him?" After so many awful experiences done by the monster that is Jimmy, leaving Curly to be frozen is genuinely the worst outcome for Curly. The fact this was all done so that Jimmy can have some "relief" thinking he was playing the hero is so awful. What an awful ending, this was such a well done story and unique game.
I would argue that this is the best thing that could happen to Curly in the state he was in. Normally he would never survive, but now he has a chance of survival, if the ship ever gets found.
@@azerria3416even if he were to come back to earth, what could he possibly do in his mental and physical state that Jimmy left him in? I don't know, I think it would've been better if he put him out of his misery. Keeping him alive was, as op said, his own sick way of thinking he did something right.
@@lemoncake8891 thats like saying the soldiers of ww1 with ptsd from the war would all be better off dead. I still think Jimmy saving Curly was the only good deed he did in the entire game.
@azerria3416 my bad, I guess you're right. From my perspective, I agree that it is a good deed, but he did it because Jimmy wanted an easy way out by then offing himself. Good deed, bad motive? I think.
@@lemoncake8891 I think you're correct. Jimmy saving Curly was in itself a good deed, but this good deed came from a place of cowardice. Jimmy couldn't bear to face the consequences of his actions, so he saved Curly to feel like a hero and then killed himself, taking the cowards way out.
im pretty sure the reason there's only 4 cryopods is becuase daisuke was a last minute addition to the crew, in the coversation where this is brought up curly mentions the corporation not giving them the supplies necessary for an additional member
I was thinking this too when Jack was questioning it but I mean I barely remember what happens in games when I'm actively playing them, especially if I got the information hours ago
i thought the position "intern" is already expendable enough
Fact is that Daisuke (after the crash) had the highest chance of surviving afterwards since he was an (probably) unpaid intern and not a hired employee anyway.
Mmmmm, good point! I had been thinking in terms of "the captain goes down with his ship."
Why does this feel somewhat familiar
You're the first person I've seen making the connection between Anya and Shelley Duval in Shining, and it couldn't be more accurate :o
Omggg I thought she looked just like Shelley Duvall as well but I'm only just realizing after seeing the end that really makes sense......
Manly made that connection too
@@mellyfelis To be fair OP said first person THEY'D seen so they probably don't know who Manly is. But not to discredit your comment either i'm just saying why they didn't mention them.
Thank you!! I knew she looked familiar but couldn't place it!
I must've spaced out at some point because I didn't hear Jack make that comparison.
@@mellyfelis Interesting, I definitely watched Manly's playthrough. Must have missed it somehow :o
I think I prefer the mouthwash to not be a metaphore for something else and just be it, as it really add to how dumb this all is when you think of all the suffering and hardship this crew have to endure for something as utterly meaningless as Mouthwash
It's not an essential like food, water or even clothes or other hygene products such as soap and stuff, but neither is it a beautifull or meaningfull object such as movies or books or newspaper or even toys or something. Just some product that make your mouth smell better and slightly improve dental hygene, nothing more nothing less, something barely anyone would miss would it be missing.
It gives this sentiment of the crew being entierely expendable, their lives are worth risking just to have an industrial amount of dental products. It also imply the people getting those shipments do not suffer from misery as they can afford ressources for that much mouthwash and such our crew is not suffering inside of some sort of apocalypse, they are just disregarded poor people that have to do a deadly and brain breaking job for a useless consummable product
Couldn't agree more, this is exactly what I was thinking! The tragedy and the demise as a result of an attempt to sell something of little to no use. But there's also another undertone: mouthwash as a resource is not only useless in every situation it is applied to; it actually makes things worse.
Yep! Just like real life... 😶
yeah the fact that the "super secret and important" cargo that the crew literally kills each other and themselves over is just some useless bs really goes to show how evil and uncaring the company is. obviously jimmy is a horrible person and its impossible to know if he would have raped anyone if he wasnt working such a dangerous miserable underpaid job, the working conditions obviously made the consequences much worse.
A not-needed product with a defunct company...
It only served them in the worst way, getting them injured when Daisuke and Swansea drank it.
I think its all that and the title is a metaphor for what Jimmy is trying to do, wash himself clean of the consequences of his actions. But the product was worthless and ineffective, as was Jimmy's attempts to 'fix things'; both only made everything worse.
This convo makes me think too, that all of Jimmy's mouthwash related decisions- like the decision to open the cargo, to give Swansea the cocktail, to use mouthwash on Daisuke as a disinfectant (i think), were all key choices that made everything worse. Swansea broke his sobriety and couldnt act as an effective guard against Jimmy, Daisuke getting fatally injured and then put in worse excruciating pain so he had to be put down. Well maybe that's a moot point since all his choices in general are bad lol
i dont see anyone talking about this but you missed a scene at 1:40:20 ! you're supposed to go into medical and anya tells you that she told jimmy she was pregnant. it makes the whole talk with jimmy make a bit more sense, there was still 8 months left of transport so anya had to give birth to the baby which would ruin jimmy's career because everyone would find out he raped her. that's why anya hid the gun, she was afraid jimmy would kill her so he wouldn't have to deal with the baby. clearly she didn't realize he'd go as far as to crash the ship though-
okay, I'm really not easily disturbed, but the part where jimmy feeds curly his leg over and over again while curly throws up repeatedly made my heart sink. what a horrible thing to happen to someone. The way it's tedious just emphasized how thankless the "responsibility" is. The imagery in this game is so damn awesome--really impactful. It doesn't give things away immediately and lets the players chew on existing information and make inferences. in the end, a satisfying storytelling style, in my opinion. great job, dev team!!
I’m hate to say it but after the first couple attempts it started just being funny.
@@Power2thePwnage Not sure if anyone else would be willing to say that tbh
Im usually the same- games can be scary and gross and all, but when swan killed daisuke that really made me feel like i was gonna throw up
U r pretty easily disturbed
@@syppie6510okay, tough guy
Spoiler: A lot of comments about the SA Jimmy commited against Anya, but I haven't seen anyone speak about how that's the reason she can't force Curly to take meds and gets nauseous: the forced induction reminds her directly of the violence she suffered
I was wondering about that. Imagine the only person she can get to give him the pain meds is the guy that gave her the trauma in the first place. It's really fricked up, but she doesn't have much of a choice as there in a confined space with no exit.
Really wish you'd have put a spoiler warning at the start of this comment. I know it's technically my fault for looking at the comments before I finished the video. But damn man, I didn't want to know that happens before I saw it myself. I only read the first line of you comment, too. But it was enough, lol. Not trying to blame you or anything. Just really wish I hadn't seen that...
Where did it actually say she was assulted?
@@shocktnc I t is implied, but never explicitly stated. Her extreme discomfort around him, his disrespect for her, her asking why the bedrooms don't have locks on the doors, stuff like that.
@@TheMadsC I'm very sorry, I don't comment that often so I'm a bit of a dummy... Hope you enjoy it anyway, it's a great game/video
When Anya is talking to Curly about how much longer they'll be on the freighter and she deflates when the answer is 8 months... it takes around a month to know you're pregnant, so there was no way for her to hide her pregnancy or get medical assistance for it :(
I have never been so irrationally furious at a fictional character as I am right now, in this moment, at jimmy. All of my homegirls hate jimmy
Takes about two months, actually. So yeah, she would have had the baby on the ship. 😓 Also meant there would be no way for Jimmy to outrun the charges.
@@serazvi5387 All my homeboys hate Jimmy. Officially revoked his man card.
@@mamadrxgonYou've never seen the exceptionally rare instances where a r@pe charge is taken to trial, have you? A baby is not "proof" of assault, and it is so common stil today to find ways to absolve the assailant of their crime while doubting and shaming the victim. Here are some of my favourite quotes from judges in actual rape trials....
"If someone doesn't want to have sexual intercourse, the body shuts down. The body will not permit that to happen unless a lot of damage is inflicted... the victim in this case, although she wasn't necessarily willing, she didn't put up a fight."
- Judge Derek Johnson (2008)
“You showed concern and consideration by wearing a contraceptive.”
- Judge Arthur Myerson, praising the assailant for wearing a condom.
“As the gentlemen on the jury will understand, when a woman says no she doesn’t always mean it. Men can’t turn their emotions on and off like a tap like some women can.”
- Judge Raymond Dean
“It seems, on the evidence, that this child has not suffered as a result of these offences.”
- Judge Hutton, talking about an 8-year-old girl who had been sexually abused
"Why couldn't you just keep your knees together?"
"Why didn't you just sink your bottom down into the basin so he couldn't penetrate you?"
"Pain and sex sometimes go together."
- Judge Robin Camp (2016)
"[The victim] was older than her chronological age" and "as much in control of the situation [as the teacher]."
- Judge G. Todd Baugh, referring to a 14-year-old girl who killed herself after her 31-year-old teacher assaulted her.
"...It is a fact of common experience that it is nearly impossible to slip off tight jeans even partly without the active collaboration of the person who is wearing them. [...] Because the victim wore very, very tight jeans, she had to help him remove them... and by removing the jeans... it was no longer rape but consensual sex."
- The court's decision in a 1998 Italian case, creating the "denim defense," which wasn't overturned until 2008. (Also, Denim Day is the last Wednesday in April to raise awareness of and condemn the tendency to blame victims of sexual violence for their assault, rather than the perpetrator who did the assault. So that's a good day to wear jeans.)
So anyway.... I think Jimmy would have been just fine in that alternative scenario.
That subplot genuinely broke my heart.
Something someone else pointed out that most of us probably missed, which makes things a whole lot darker:
Anya took the gun from the cockpit and hid it, just so that Jimmy couldn't get to it. And then, after she told Jimmy that she was pregnant, where'd Curly find him? The fucking cockpit. He was probably looking for the gun. And realizing he couldn't just kill Anya, since Swansea had the ax and the gun was nowhere to be found, he decided to just crash the ship, rather than suffering the consequences he'd face back on earth.
If Anya had left the gun in the cockpit, maybe Jimmy would have committed right there... I like that ending more
@@quixoticcalamity he most likely would've killed the crew members
gotta think abt that too
Even from the beginning it’s set up so well to lead you on, I didn’t realize until the second time through that you don’t have the captain’s flashlight in the steering the ship section, a clear indicator you aren’t Curly. Which you wouldn’t know was a thing but is a great touch. I also really liked watching the interactions between characters on the second time through because you realize the nuances and undercurrents going on. The stress Anya feels having to pretend to be fine around Jimmy, how Curly has failed Jimmy by covering up for whatever other fuckups he’s done throughout their lives and how that’s bred such a resentment from Jimmy. How Swansea beats people down because he thinks his own past alcoholic behavior is natural human tendency. Great writing and visuals, this one will stick with me.
Omg on top of the flash light, i think in the beginning we were sitting in the co pilot seat
@F4bes I noticed this too, during the psych eval Curly sits in the right hand seat.
Good eye, but why was Anya's card in the utility locker in the opening? Did Jimmy steal it for some reason?
2:14:38
i dont know if Jack missed that dialogue, but they mention once in the game that Daisuke is a super new addition to the crew and the ship wasnt upgraded for the new crew size after he joined.
@@technochrome8183 Actually a better explanation than the **Captain Goes Down With The Ship** explanation, gotta keep in mind too that the Ship, Tulpar, is very old as with the crew-mate's comments.
Just goes to show what a shitty company they were working for.
@@kenabaloyan8798 No when curly mentions he should have pushed back harder about them being forced to be a 5-man crew was I think a direct reference to how it meant they were gonna be 1 short in an emergency. I believe they're having the convo in the utility room, with the pods in the background when they're mentioning 5.
Or does someone have to remain out of a pod in order to activate them? Like they can't be activated from within?
No if you watch again that is exactly what Curly is talking about, he says he should of made a “bigger stink” about there being 5 passengers on a ship designed for 4
I genuinely think that this game would be amazing as a movie. I feel like the dev team did an extremely good job in creating the story, and cinematography, and just overall creating an amazing game 10/10. This game is going in my top 5 favorites of all time.
It would be a great film, but i feel like it couldn't be better than it is as a game, where acrually playing as the characters has effe ts on your immersion and feelings about the characters - especially the whole reveal with Jimmy, it just wouldnt have the same oomph of *holy shit ive been playing the bad guy all along* if we'd only ever seen the characters from a 3rd person perspective, you know?
@pipedream2556 Yeah, that's a reasonable point. Wouldn't give as much immersion and shock with the reveal of Jimmy as it would in game.
@@Exither. I think it still would. Cinematography could be used to let the audience follow him throughout the story as a "hero" then twist it. It has been done before.
I don’t think it would considering people have a tendency to defend the main lead, especially male leads in movies and tv.
Unlike video games you’re in no position to make choices and talk to every character, so you can’t really imagine yourself in the character itself.
Honestly, In the end. It's up to the devs if they wanna take it in that direction. I think it would be very neat to see it as a movie, I like games that tell a conveying story and give people experiences to remember. (Hence why it's in my top 5 of all time) And seeing as a game like *Iron Lung* is getting a movie. It is completely, and absolutely possible for it to be pulled off. Once again though. It's up to the devs and what they want.
the dead pixel scene just gets more painful the more i look at it. of course curly doesnt fucking see it. "doesn't ruin the illusion" "i guess i'm just used to looking at the bigger picture' OUGH. hell.
the writing in this game is so solid, the subtexts and words changing meaning coming from different sources, gah
After hearing what Swansea said before he died, I think he wanted to keep the pod safe for Daisuke. Before he puts Daisuke down he sounds like he really did hope the best for him, in a way he was the healthy hopeful person Swansea wanted to be. Swansea knows he was a drunk that only enjoyed life when he was drunk, but Daisuke actually tried to do better, he properly wanted to get better. Swansea didn't want to use the pod for himself, he didn't seem to care much for Anya, and we know how he felt about Jimmy. But Daisuke is a person that, ironically, Swansea probably looked up to. A beacon of optimism in a place of nihilism. I mean the guy LITERALLY felt like he was doing his part by checking the kitchen over and over. Daisuke could never become a Swansea. And I think that's why Swansea liked him, even if he only really showed it when it was too late.
I think so too, god that makes him having to put Daisuke out of his misery so much worse than it already was.
Facts, he was being painted as the “bad guy” until things start to make more sense.
@@stanleywhisperwind3679 both him and curly, Jimmy's that one person who victim blames everything
@@VahnXVI Curly wasn’t completely clean, he was just kinda okay with Jimmy’s SA, he seemed to be siding more with Jimmy just saying they could all “work it out”. He didn’t in any way truly take Anya fear seriously, and just said he would talk to Jimmy. Curly wasn’t as bad as Jimmy but kinda got what was coming to him siding with a demon so he earned the ending of a demon’s friend, being fed his own leg and frozen as a living cyst.
It also felt like Swan was taking Daisuke as his child unconsciously, perhaps it was that ray of sunshine that made him want to take care of Daisuke as his own. Well, whether Swan did so consciously or not, this adds another layer to Daisuke’s death. A father figure putting the sunshine out of its misery so that it doesn’t suffer the slow twilight in a scum’s ever painful embrace.
Furthering the fact that Jimmy thought less than nothing of Anya: she mentioned the mouthwash probably couldn't be used to disinfect anything due to the sugar content, and yet Jimmy tries it regardless, and he sounds disappointed after it failed. He probably didn't even register her saying it wouldn't be useful
also i can't help but stop to think that,,, what mouthwash would have a high sugar content, sugar is damaging to the teeth- not only is it useless cargo, it's useless mouthwash
@@twigwigsoso I'm pretty sure by "sugar" it doesnt actually mean cane sugar, it probably means chemical sugars like sorbitol
@@twigwigsoso Ethanol is a byproduct of sugars. 15% is very high; most mouth washes that taste "good" and don't "burn" have 5%-7% ethanol.
@@moon_jumperYup! Ethanol id also a byproduct of sugars so it technically counts but in a chemical way. And 15% is quite high as most mouth washes contain 5%-7%.
@@twigwigsosoall mouth wash was designed to slowly destroy teeth, they sneak sugar into everything.
I'll be real, Anya being the only girl on the ship immediately put me on edge 💔
Yeah. Kinda reminds me of "I have no mouth and i must scream". I suppose the reason she is the only female is for plot reasons, specifically the implied SA done by Jimmy.
@@HisFragileMindThat and more men do things like freighting and transport (lack of societal responsibilities like child rearing and family life that more women have or aspire to) than women- so it makes sense outside of plot too tbh. But yeah, definitely part of why.
This part just had me feeling a pit in my stomach, in the most shittiest dreadful way. I need some wholesome girl media 🚬🗿
@@T.JacobMainFrieren is pretty neat
I really thought that since it's a fictionals story the men in it arent predators. Dead wrong and the developers chose to make this game realistic.
2:03:26 the part where we feed curly his OWN LEG sums up jimmys entire character. the player and the audience are disgusted at the idea of curly being forced to eat apiece of himself, but in this moment jimmy thinks he’s being righteous, “he’ll thank me for this someday.” no matter what jimmy went through he never learns or come to terms with what he’s done to other people, he only cares about himself, even curly is like an extension of him.
I'm replying as someone who hasn't finished the video (and I might never) but WHAT. HIS LEG? POOR CURLY, MY GOSH.
2:11:16
Anya and Curly's IDs are there, but their faces are covered by Jimmy's ID. I'm pretty sure the reason for this is because Jimmy wronged both of them the most in this game. But he has himself in the front because he believes he's in the right and overshadows them.
i noticed this too, surprised not a lot of people are talking about this! it's a nice touch; i loved the symbolism there and i've been thinking about it so much since finishing the video.
I love seeing the back and forth of games between Sean and Evelyn, its adorable they keep recommending stuff to each other
Was just thinking the same thing! When Evelyn posted her most recent favorite TikTok video, I just knew that Sean was gonna post one too, and I was STOKED
For real! I love it so much.
One of my favourite things!
did she also play this ? then def have to check her out as well hehe
@@Paul20661she did!
The way I literally thought to myself "One girl trapped with 4 guys? Sounds like a nightmare, but at least they've left her alone." Before connecting the dots :(
it kind of reminds me of i have no mouth and i must scream :(
@@mori-qj5sxIt really does 😭 Why is the girl always living the worst things
Yeah, I was even shocked when she mentioned there were no locks in the sleeping area and realized what happened 💔
@@watertightrobbery That's just the sad truth about life as a woman. I know people are going to reply saying it's bad for men too (it is) but it's a completely different nightmare for women.
@@watertightrobberybro curly literally got tortured
A nice thing to note is how the “leave” option changes to “do nothing” in certain parts of the game. It makes it seem more intense and shows how Jimmy believes that he has to do something, anything.
so Jimmy would have failed the mental health check at the beginning of the trip if Curly hadn't helped him answer the questions. He knew Jimmy was disturbed. Anya begged Curly not to let Jimmy near her and said she didn't want him to ever ever have the gun. She was pregnant by someone she feared. She was terrified of Jimmy. there was a scene with her curled up and looking very hurt. She was obviously deeply depressed. Jimmy most definitely did not have her consent. Four pods, five people. Jimmy was supposed to be left. or the captain was supposed to make sure the crew were preserved and go down with the ship. But they knew Jimmy wasn't to be trusted.
ETA: I forgot about the shop only being prepped for 4 crew members and Daisuke being added last minute.
I agree with your analysis EXCEPT the four pods thing is because Pony Express added Daisuke to the crew without doing any of the necessary upgrades. They didn't even have proper rations for a 25% increase in crew. It stands to reason they also didn't bother to add another cryopod for the extra crew member. Otherwise, spot on analysis. Nobody should trust Jimmy. Curly fucked up.
@@HadalStreetlights yeah I remembered that detail after my comment the rest of it was so much more fucked uo that I totally forgot about that
I’m glad you pointed the pod thing out because my interpretation was that just like swansea said a captain should go down with its ship, so there wasn’t ever going to be a pod for Curly
@@HadalStreetlightsexpect he didn't, that test that Jimmy was helping Anya taking care of? That was DURING there stay in ship. the beginning you never suspect anyone is fucked anyone could pass that because somone could just be lucid enough at the time. What's fuck is that there is nothing none of them could have down to.truly stop Jimmy they needed him to help keep the ship running they were fucked from the start. And also curly couldn't have helped him get the job that way sure word of mouth goes a long way but you STILL have to go through tests themselves which means the people choosing the crew KNEW Jimmy wasn't fit but still decided to give him the job. What fucked them in the end is pony express
@@dallioncoker4127 I'm sorry, I'm just having trouble parsing this comment, no offense.
it was heavily implied that jimmy sa'd anya from the conversation anya and curly had on why there werent any locks on the bedrooms, the gun she couldnt get to protect herself, the condescending tone jimmy had towards anya throughout the game, and a brief conversation with anya you missed on day 0 of the crash.
Bro was the real villain all along
I appreciate this comment so much bc I was so lost when she said she was pregnant. :(
it kinda was enough "i couldnt protect myself" in the pregnancy convo for me. there arent a lot of ways to get pregnant and it can take violence to get to it
@@fool4343 I must've been too slow to really catch that part 😭
@@h8dees nah not at all, the conversation he missed is super important for understanding it
something i realized when watching this lets play is Jimmy keeps saying "ill figure this out" while Curly keeps saying "We can figure this out together"
Good catch. It's really indicative of their personalities. Although, Jimmy sometimes uses "we", in scenes with Daisuke and Curly, although it's probably for manipulation.
@andjelabozic2317 id argue that jimmy uses it so he doesn't have to shoulder full responsibility for finding the 'wrong' solution but is still credited if it turns out alright
57:41
Small detail, but Jack saw Daisuke was physically exerting himself, and immediately changed the way he was speaking to make him sound strained, which I think is really cool and just shows how good of a voice actor he's become :)
1:40:40 oh yea their was definitely a monster on the ship just not an alien one
Not many horror games let you play as the monster.
Facts.
Clock that
LMFAO the way i literally got to that part and was like "oh there definitely is one onboard"
It seems like Jimmy didn't care about Curly's pain. The only reason he wanted to keep him high on painkillers was so he won't be able to talk and tell everyone what Jimmy did.
Well no lips will nake sure he can't regardless. No hands and feet to write with, nubs that are raw and bloody can't hold a pen or even point well.... Drugs weren't needed to save Jimmy's secrets from being spilled :(
How is one supposed to talk with no lips or tongue? All he could do was make noises- which he did
@@Sqeek17 He had no tongue? He can still speak, maybe not clearly but enough for the other person to make sense what he is saying.
@@Sqeek17you don’t need your tongue to communicate, you can blink out phrases with the help of someone with 2 braincells (caveman system: say a letter, blink if it’s the one you want. Rinse and repeat. There are more technologically advanced ways to do this, tracking eye movements and such)
That being said, Jimmy didn’t care about responsibility for his actions, seeing as he decided to take himself out.
@@DarcMagikianat some point the painkillers got switched to paracetamol which is just acetaminophen (over the counter pain killers) which would not even get close to knocking someone out, he probably just couldnt even speak
Jimmy’s whole tirade about “responsibility” also adds onto the pile of evidence culminating in the theory that Jimmy SA’ed Anya. In real life situations of SA, forced pregnancies, unexpected pregnancies etc, the male perpetrator will often abhor the “responsibility” they created for themself by getting another person pregnant, and take out that anger on the victim. His constant whining about his supposed responsibilities just feels like yet another of one of the many stabs Jimmy inflicts upon Anya
I don't think if that's connected arya just told curly
After that the crash happened and curly lost the ability to talk
I think it's because he is mad at what he did with the ship
And what became of curly
thank you for keeping me sane, i love that the only response to your comment being "ehh nah i think he just wanted to crash a ship" as if the whole ship crashing metaphor is not jimmy deluding himself into think he's taking responsibility.
taking responsibility is a common thing ppl say when someone else gets someone pregnant on accident; to take responsibility (for the child you created).... and he would have to, to both pay child support and maybe go to jail because what better evidence in a trial is there of sa than a literal pregnancy?
@@GibbDibbthere’s 2 types of people in life, a Swansea and a Curly, you’re a curly
I find the sequence of "no turning back now" absolutely mind-blowing.
Even though he cannot turn back the easy and obvious way he still finds a way to back out. Shows the mental gymnastics abusers and narcissists make to put the blame on everyone around them.
So, here's my theory about the story of this game
Anya was assaulted in her crew quarters. Her line about how the crew quarters don't have locks on the doors vs. the cargo compartment which was locked up so tight they had to make a whole day outta getting into it? And the way the music cuts out when it's suggested the reason is *safety?* I suspect that Anya was forced against her will and conceived.
And I think her discomfort with Jimmy tells us who did it.
And why Jimmy feels so Entitled to her co operation and is angry at her all the time.
you probably right....
@@GuyUnderTheBridge Because its not exactly realistic for her to say that? Especially if the SA occured on the same trip- bringing up that it was a *crime* could provoke Jimmy to be worse/more violent. Making tension in the crew when raising her voice could get her fired (easily replaceable as shes only a student) and when she was already struggling for money would make no sense. It's a common situation seen irl- Women being forced into silence by circumstance rather then choice.
@@GuyUnderTheBridgeShe keeps saying “our worst mistakes don’t make us bad people” and is clearly a very sensitive, sentimental person. Why wouldn’t she tell others about the SA? Because she wanted to see the best in Jimmy, she didn’t want to believe he was a terrible person, just like Curly, who thought he could “fix” things. I mean think about it- why would Jimmy be worried about his life and reputation back home if all he’d done was consensually have sex with Anya, resulting in a pregnancy? That’s not the sort of issue you crash a ship over. Also, why would Anya be so concerned about keeping the gun away from Jimmy? She also doesn’t want to do Jimmy’s psych evaluation because he makes joking comments about his sexual fantasies, which points to them NOT being an item and evidence of him verging on sexual harassment towards her.
I guess we could say it’s possible they did have consensual sex but he just didn’t want her to have his baby and was willing to kill her over it, but he’s still a terrible dude. Or maybe he and Anya did have a relationship and he coerced her into sex, which made her unwilling to accept it as S/A. Since it isn’t explicitly spelled out this is technically all theory, but I disagree with your conclusion that it “doesn’t make any sense”.
@@GuyUnderTheBridgesometimes SA victims don't feel safe telling other people about their trauma, especially a higher up. They may fear retaliation from their abuser or humiliation from their peers.
I'm not gonna say she was or wasn't SAed because it isn't solidified, but it irks me that you'd make such a huge assumption of how victims would or wouldn't act in an emotionally charged situation.
@@GuyUnderTheBridge Respectfully, you don’t seem very educated on this topic and really come off like you’ve never spoken to a victim of SA before. Maybe sit this one out, my guy.
nobody, and I do mean NOBODY, show this game to Markiplier. The man will immediately be gone for another 3 years making this into a movie.
so real haha
Okay but this game deserves to be made into a movie, we can all agree on that
MAKE IT HAPPEN, PEOPLE! 🤣
I hope not if this game gets made into a movie I want it to ACTUALLY be well done
i think this is one of the only games that could work well as a movie adaptation lol 😭
LETS FUCKING GO ANOTHER JACK HORROR GAME THIS WEEK WE ARE BEING FED
WE ARE EATING SO GOOD
Jack really put on his chef hat and said “michelin”
raa
Jack o lantern week
OMNOMNOMNOMNOM MUNCH MUNCH CRUNCH CRUNCH YUMMY YUMMY
kind of disappointing that sean completely missed that jimmy assaulted anya. the core reason for jimmy crashing the ship was exactly that.
It's unfortunately common among amab RUclipsrs from what I've seen, but to be fair to Sean, he missed a crucial scene early on
Always when you're needed the most. Thanks for just being around Jack. Love you.
I hope you’re doing okay honey. People care about you
@@trinbin101 thank you, this means a lot. I'm alright. I have emetophobia and just finished throwing up for the second time. Sorry if that's tmi. I accidentally clicked on the notification and his voice grounded me in the middle of a meltdown. Thank you for taking the time to reply and express your care
@@samgarza3352 im here for you homie, i dont gotta know you to care about ya
@@birbday I'm sorry? I'm not quite sure what this reply is supposed to mean, even if it is a reasonable theory/opinion. Was just a bit caught off guard, don't mean any offense.
@@samgarza3352 so sorry, this wasnt meant to be a reply to your comment, i guess i misclicked 😭
God, I just realized Anya couldn't handle giving pills to Curly beause his sounds
trigger her pregnancy nausea, not because she was a "bad" nurse
it was probably also the fact that she had to force the pills down curly’s throat-AKA… nonconsensually… and the sounds of curly struggling probably was a trigger after what jimmy did :((
@@wooogie672 he most likely did it using the same thing he did to swansea.
@@tenjenk do you mean the cocktail he gave to swansea? because that would not be the case, since the assault happened before the crash, and they didnt know about the mouthwash till after the crash
@@brickguts He used actual disinfectant from the medical area mixed in his drink to knock him out. Thats very specific knowledge.
@@tenjenk how would an essential item in medical be very specific knowledge for a co-captain? also, how would he make Anya (who doesnt drink) consume something that clearly tastes very strongly of alcohol. also, Anya remembers the assault and remembers who assaulted her, if she was knocked out things would be more complicated and while she would know something happened she likely would not have seen who it was due to being knocked out. like i guess i can see where yall are coming from, but i dont see why he wouldnt just have gone into her room at night and forced himself on her
not sure if anyone else has said it yet, but the imagery in this game seems to be heavily inspired by neon genesis evangelion: the white text on black screens, curly covered in bandages with the single eye and teeth exposed, the computers all covered in flashing red warning signs, the way flesh and technology come together in some of the dreamlike sequences, the blood red ocean, and probably more that I missed!
yess i noticed that too! especially the red ocean; that has to be a reference to nge
OHHH THAT'S WHAT SEEMED SO FAMILIAR!!!
White text on black screens been a thing since the 1890’s
YESSSS curly looks so similar to the damaged eva 01 unit in episode 20
get in the robot jimmy.... or curly will have to do it again
curlys character design genuinely disturbs me so so much. i have a brother who got into a car crash and ended up not being able to speak and being parylized from his whole right side of his body and whenever i look at curly i instantly think of him right after the crash. like down to the pain killers it just makes me genuinely cry
For the curious: AU is a measurement of cosmic distance; specifically the approximate distance between the Earth and the Sun. AU literally means Astronomical Unit.
Its one of the first Cosmic Scale Measurements humans came up with, and the one favored by Sci Fi stories who are sick of measuring everything in Light Years since that is A MASSIVE amount of space. Measuring smaller distances in Light Years would be like measuring percision machines down to the millimeter with a Kilometer long tape measure.
No way… really that’s fascinating cause that still seems like a massive amount of
around 150 million kilometers right? I cannot remember if it's like 149.8 or 150.2
lightyear is 299xxxxxx m/s but I can't remember AU's
Isn’t this literally high school physics?
@@thanasmanjunatha depends I personally heard about it when I was like 11 and it just stuck around cuz space is cool, I'm 20 now
Parsec is even longer than Light Years (~3ly?). Star Wars is known for using it. AU is great to talk about distances within our solar system.
1:36:21 Close enough Sean. It wasn't Swansea, But it's Jimmy that did it. It was implied with the delusion cake with Curly (Jimmy and Curly are 'friends'), the way Swansea talked with Daisuke and Jimmy when they were trying to drug Swansea (he was looking directly at Jimmy the whole time when he said all of those 'stuff' about mangling 'himself' with each new mistake (a solution to his current problem; it's also implied that Jimmy crashed the ship)), and the thing that Anya said to Curly at the cockpit and Curly implying that he can talk with 'him' to fix the problem (kinda like with the 'Psych Eval'. Curly also knows 'him' for years now kinda like a 'friend' or a co-pilot). Though still a sensible answer, Sean.
Swansea also knows what happened to Anya, and implied it to Jimmy before he axed the giant screen, he might have also known that Jimmy caused the crash of the ship and that Jimmy blamed Curly for it. Hence why Jimmy was drugging Curly with Painkillers, to shut him up.
Jimmy's just digging himself a worse hole with each new solution that he scrounges for. Running away from the current problem instead of **Taking Responsibility**. Both him and the crew suffer for it.
Also kinda sad that Sean didn't catch that plea for help from Anya, when Curly and Anya were talking about the dead pixel on the night mode of the giant screen. 'Why were the medical cabinets locked, but the Sleeping Quarters were Not.' (This might also imply that she was looking for solutions to her own current problems. Probably quick suicide.)
Overall, I kinda like the theme of the whole game being **Running Away from Your Problems Would Just Lead You To Worse Shit, Than If You Have Just Dealt With It**.
For everyone out there, when you mess up and know that you've messed up, Please **Take Responsibility**.
Edit: Don't Take Responsibility like Jimmy did, Jimmy's fucked up. Have a better role model for fixing your mistakes 😅
Don't be like Jimmy. All my homies hate Jimmy.
Just don't do what Jimmy did in the first place 😅
Or don’t make a mistake like Jimmy’s
@@Oogityboogity198 I can sense some implication here. Don't make a mistake ;)
this resonates with me a little too much
Pretty sure Swansea was saving the pod for Daisuke considering the conversation he had with Jimmy when the whole execution scene was happening.
That's exactly what he was planning on doing!
im gonna cry i legit hate jimmy SO much
Either Daisuke or maybe even Anya considering her pregnant situation. If Swansea recriminated Jimmy because ¨It was not me who told her stuff. Rather, it was her who had a lot to say, right, Jimmy?¨ it might imply that maybe during their convo in the cockpick Anya might have told Swansea the whole SA and pregnancy situation, maybe because she needed someone to trust as she's afraid of Jimmy....Daisuke makes more sense of course, yet the possibility is there too, as regardless of his mean words we can see he has a strong sense of what is right so....yeah, I can totally see him wanting to give a chance to either the woman who is now carrying a new life or the young one who still has too much to live and may grow in someone better and happier than him.
Swansea's the goat fr even for the sole fact of being the only one who actually told Jimmy how disgusting of a human being he is.
begging jack to be less oblivious to the SA in this highkey just due to it especially being ironic in this specific game when guys don't pickup on it and its like. the same issue with curly shown 😭
LITERALLY!! i love him but there’s a really ironic trend with most of the male RUclipsrs not picking up on what happened to Anya when that’s exactly what Curly did
@@sparky0900 It's funny how vehemently certain I was that Jimmy was the bad guy, probably only a few scenes into the game, while still having missed a good deal of the obvious "clues" that people are pointing out in the comments? I quickly decided Jimmy was bad and Anya was a victim (not even HIS victim, necessarily, just "a victim") and then spent the rest of the game confused lol. I think I'm the "female representation" of the male youtuber obliviousness -- couldn't make head nor heels of events, but still clocked the dangerous man and a kindred spirit? Interesting how with the same amount of obliviousness, the things I would need for "survival" on that ship made it through.
Honestly I was oblivious to it too, didn't think much of it at first
I love how you can see throughout the game jimmy never takes responsibility ALWAYS cutting away before the consequences take place .
OOOOHHHHH
Curly laughing was horrific- ‘thought Jack would have reacted less nonchalantly. After screaming, crying, and choking, he laughs, and this is when he does it.
Because Curly came to her asking to retrieve the gun. Anya said she was hiding the gun so Jimmy wouldn’t find it, because Curly refused to let her keep it for self defense. He’s laughing because she was right, and he didn’t listen.
@@coolbri2001 THIS and also because she hid it from him & jimmy found it anyway . id be laughing too ... the only reason jimmy can even access it is because he has the captains code scanner now . what a joke
Interesting metaphor: Jimmy did something horrible, but it doesn't leave a bad taste in his mouth. Hence, he doesn't go for the mouthwash. He doesn't want to admit that he doesn't feel guilty about what he did to Anya, but the hallucinations reveal the truth: he doesn't think he did anything wrong to her, and he doesn't want to face any consequences for his actions. He force-feeds Curly painkillers, numbing him to the horror of Jimmy's actions. Combined with how he only apologizes to Curly for an awful decision that affects all of the other crew members more than it did him, and Anya isn't even mentioned after her death, Swansea is right. Jimmy is a selfish, cowardly bastard.
interesting that when curly found out what jimmy did to anya, his response was "dont worry we can fix it"/being complacent. meanwhile when swansea found out, he immediately went for verbal/physical attacks. also i truly believe swansea was trying to save that cryopod for daisuke (based off his last conversation with jimmy). swanseas pretty cool
What a terrible goddamn coward. What a weak man, with delusions of greatness his own ego created for himself. A petty, mean, selfish man.
Its so heartbreaking, watching the story build. Putting together Anya's terrible story, her fear of telling anyone, how Curly might have responded because of who did it. Catching the last lines of her and Swansea's conversation; I'm sure we all thought it was about Curly, when it was about her and the cryo pod. I liked Swansea. I've known guys like him-good guys in bad situations, gruff but concerned and caring.
The sheer selfishness of it all though. Being told and refusing to take responsibility. Clearly having a temper and the implication of threatening Anya. Being confronted, learning someone he looked up to knows, and being unable to face those consequences. Losing his job, the final straw, and unilaterally deciding to kill everyone because of his weakness and cowardice.
That story was a masterpiece, and the imagery was phenomenal. I very nearly lost my composure the instant I heard the unforgettable noise of an ultrasound, the crying of a baby in the Graveyard while Jimmy did his very best to overcome the reality of what Swansea was protecting, refusing to admit to himself that he is the monster in the night.
And the very worst of it all was that, in the end, Jimmy DIDN'T TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY OF IT. He couldn't bear the idea of living with his monumental failures, of the consequences, and so he ran from them in ultimate finality. Small wonder Curly laughed- he knew it was going to end with the gun. He saw it before Jimmy did. I think he was surprised to have lived.
This was a story that could have been told in nearly any environment. I'm glad it was told in space, where the emphasis of isolation is heightened.
Being placed in a situation like that, confronted with consequences, being forced to look at yourself when the lies a person tells themselves are stripped away, and the ugly reality of WHO THEY ARE is exposed for themselves to truly see, it strikes a deeply personal chord with me. Soke people pull through, take responsibility, cast off the lies, and become better. Jimmy chose to cling to them, even when he knew then for what they were, and took the only route out he thought he had to avoid taking responsibility for the reality of his self.
It is a deeply, DEEPLY moving piece of art, and I am so grateful Seán chose to play it.
this is the only comment I've seen that I think reeaaallly understand the whole overarching plot and themes of this game.....I've seen a lot of people say that Jimmy takes responsibility at the end when that is very clearly not true!
Just wanted to reply to say I completely agree and kudos to u for giving such a good analysis in a youtube comment lol
It reminds me of the TV series Disclaimer*, just slightly better done plotwise, and actually builds suspense instead of pointlessly dragging on.
As someone with ASPD and homicidal tendencies, this game fucked me up mentally and I had to take several breaks from it. It could just as easily be me making these evil, horrible, selfish, violent decisions. I resonated with this so much because it feels like I'm fighting an inhuman creature in my mind every day and if I lose it's over for me. No more life, no more freedom. I can almost understand the decision to go to such extreme lengths to cover it up, and it creeps me out that I sympathize with Jimmy. There's a truly painful lesson to be learned here.
@GrandHavenHorror I hope you're going to counseling for that or that you've seen a priest. Good job on not becoming Jimmy. Keep that shit up.
@@Dandygirl_94 I'm going to therapy, yes. I don't need a priest cuz I'm pretty sure I'm not possessed lol. Thanks for the encouragement. I'm keeping myself mostly sane.
"See this? Just living in the moment. Not a phone in sight, just a man filled with mouthwash dancing with his axe," 1:00:28 is my favorite quote of all time I think
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Mouthwashing is amazing, it’s very rare that story from game sticks with me for a while. There are a lot of elements to it that are great to analyze, for example i think that Anya’s SA is an aspect that holds significant importance to the plot and character of Jimmy. I’m glad you played it, it’s great to see Indie games get the recognition
I think it's kind of a metaphor for how society protects men who have SA'd someone because they _"don't want to ruin someone's life over one mistake"_ which ends up ruining _everyone's_ life., but especially the victim.
@@469ka37 And how victims are told consistently that 'one mistake doesn't make someone a bad person.' I think that's what Anya kept trying to tell herself. Despite the fact that she was saying it about other people, I believe she might've also been telling herself that whenever she was around Jimmy to stop herself from derailing every time he spoke to her. She wanted to believe that Jimmy's 'lapse in judgement' so to say, didn't make him a bad person, as it's always drilled into victims of anything (SA, abuse, etc.). Instead, this worsened her mental health and led her down a depressive rabbit hole
I recommend Cry of Fear, it's similar, really good story and a damn good game
I nearly screamed when he missed Anya's dialogue saying she told Jimmy about her pregnancy!! I think it would've made so much more sense to him if he saw it man
Wait so at 1:04:40 is it being implied Jimmy was literally beating the crap out of Curly, and only stopped after he realized the job was hard. Jesus Christ
no..?
@@w.whoisrio Yes. Can't you not hear the difference between beating the shit out of someone vs forcing someone to eat pills?
@@KkachiKashaKarma not sure what you think beating the shit out of someone sounds like. that was shuffling, breathing, and crying 😭
Go back to the medication time right before this one @@w.whoisrio
@@w.whoisrio ok op obviously meant to tag a different time cus theres a painkiller moment where you can hear jimmy punching something (curly) multiple times and you can hear curly grunting in pain. edit: around 52 minutes
1:45:57 That wasn't a swan, that was an albatross -- a DEAD albatross. To grab a concise explanation from Wikipedia:
In the poem _The Rime of the Ancient Mariner_ , an albatross follows a ship setting out to sea, which is considered a sign of good luck. However, the titular mariner shoots the albatross with a crossbow, an act that will curse the ship and cause it to suffer terrible mishaps. Unable to speak due to lack of water, the ship's crew let the mariner know through their glances that they blame him for their plight, and they tie the bird around his neck as a sign of his guilt. From this arose the image of an albatross around the neck as metaphor for a burden that is difficult to escape.
OOOO, THATS GOOOOOD
especially considering his name contains "swan", i feel like its super obvious that that was one of those subtle symbolisms bcs ofc everyone would just assume its a swan. this is such a cool fact, tyvmm!!!
if the game devs referenced the rime of the ancient mariner, that leads me to think they referenced frankenstein in the game too, since the novel also references the former
Literally just started reading this poem in AP literature. Then I went home. Watched this video. And saw your comment.
I now have the perfect parallel to write about in my essay.
Thank you. 🙏😂
Ohhhhhhhhhhh holy shit
@@musicalsand-axolotls7you are SO real for the essay parallel thing -another AP lit student ✊
Sean speaking to you as a child back from when I started watching in 2016ish I can vouch that you've been a big part of my life and many others, just want you to know what, have a good one fam.
When trying to talk to Anya through the medical door she locked, Anya is clearly indicating she was going to do something awful. At first I thought she meant she was going to kill Curly, but after realizing all that shes went through, its clear why she killed herself. Notice how Jimmy, however, didn’t worry about the fact of her possibly killing herself. He was more concerned she would do something to Curly, which would mean he wouldn’t have his scapegoat when they get saved.
I can’t express how much I enjoy these longer videos. They’re perfect if you’re simultaneously busy doing some other stuff. Thank you ♥️
Me about to do the dishes and I get this notification. I stopped watching regular show to watch this... And I love that show.
It also works great for sleeping. I've had many videos of Jack and Gab on loop before I sleep for the times when sleep just won't come. Works every time
@@erilayne260 I agree, and Same here! I struggle sleeping without noise going on in the background. Sean’s videos are perfect for resolving this.
@@erilayne260 cuz nothing gets ya to sleep faster than a screaming Irishman!! (said w/ love lol. Jack is the homie.)
@@eldritchbidoof Lmaaooooooo him and Mark fr. Best lullabies in the world. I always sleep better with their screaming in the bg 🤣
I want to point out that the reason Anya’s name tag is missing in the hallway implies that Jimmy doesn’t feel bad for what he did to her or about her death.
It’s actually worse in my opinion. If you rewatch it you can see that Anya’s ID is UNDER Jimmy’s
@@Ryebreadtoasted Worse. We see a lot of references to babies both by hearing baby cries during tense sequences (such as the beggining) and even the whole final sequence with the fetus....but they're always related to a baby. Never with Anya.
He doesn't feels bad for what he did with Anya, if like he GENUINELY doesn't thinks he harmed her or didn't cared at all. He only cared for the BABY, he only feared the consequences the baby may have brought, hence seeing the baby as some sort of monster that haunts him. There is simply not a single redemeable thing about this guy. He really, REALLY believes he's a victim and a hero.
It’s there underneath everything, you can see some of her hair peaking out on the name tag. I was rewatching and in the very first scene when you open up the utility locker in the cockpit, Jimmy finds Anya’s ID on the wall of it. It’s placed on the inner left side of the metal and behind Curly’s chair, so if he were to go opening it he probably wouldn’t see it. But Jimmy does, and my theory is that Jimmy took it and placed it there as a trophy or a hallucination reminding him of what he’s done for a moment in the midst of him instigating the crash.
The creators probably put it there so we’d know what her ID looks like in the hallway scene as it’s covered up so much, but it’s there and being blocked except for her DOB which implies he only associates her with the impending birth of their child and the threat that poses to his permanent record on Earth.
2:14:43 they actually mentioned how the company just randomly added an intern at the very last second. Daisuke was literally fucked from the start
(Also him going “I hope she doesn’t blame herself” is quite literally the saddest thing ever because in reality she probably won’t know he’s missing for another 4 months.)
Despite Jimmy being the one with the gun, Swansea holds all the power in their final interaction, through sheer presence, excruciating honesty, and a contagious intensity. Honestly forgot that this was him "losing" because it seemed like he had Jimmy paralyzed by the Lesson he was imparting. Fantastic writing, background audio and video, everything.
I love the little details in this, like Jimmy being the co-pilot and normally sitting in the left seat as shown during the psych eval. Which can tip you off early on if you're paying close attention.
I don't think Jack understood it. At one point Anya says something about there not being locks on the sleeping rooms and how she hates that fact. Jim didn't ask for concent, so instead of dealing with consequences (legal or otherwise) he decided to take down the whole ship.
When Curly goes to find Jimmy after speaking with Anya, Jimmy is standing outside of the cockpit where the gun was being kept. He'd likely either just started searching for it or had already realized it was missing. So he probably crashed the ship *after* realizing he couldn't just kill Anya.
The scene where you fed curly his own leg was definitely one of the most disturbing part of this game, that was just so gross to watch
i only wonder how long this went on for. how long did jimmy spend time with curly once the rest of the crew was dead? having delusions and psychosis. truly poor curly
I haven't seen anyone in the comments mentioning Jimmy saying "We make him pass out. Simple. Safe. He might not even realize we did anything after the fact."
Spoiler warning
When Swansea says "I sure did talk to Anya, but it was her telling me all sorts of things instead", does anyone think that was implying that Anya was telling Swansea about Jimmy assaulting her?
Yeah, most likely ment that
Id like to know how that conversation went, you'd think Swansea would beat up Jimmy
@@pb4705 Well he did try to by the end lmao
yes exactly
33:30 Not me tearing up at Sean talking about ladders and mountains lmao. I'm 22 and managed to acheive my main dream of going to university for guitar and becoming a full-time guitar teacher, which is awesome! But for most of this year I haven't known what I'm supposed to be working towards. It gives me a lot of comfort to know that it's okay and normal to finish one goal and you can move to something completely different or to not even have your life goals be about your career. If I didn't get to see people like Sean make doing what they love into a career, I would have probably stopped pursuing music all together and have never gone on to teach, but I guess now I have to figure out what to do with the life I've built.
Doubt anyone is gonna read this anyway, I rarely comment on videos but I felt like I needed to say this for my own sake haha.
Being twice your age, I can confirm that there will be new, winding paths. Keep going and you'll surprise yourself 💜
Hear hear
No one ever climbs a mountain to stay at the top forever. It's about the experience, not just the climb up but down as well. Both trips are equally as beautiful. And there is always another mountain to climb.
I paused the video when he said that and genuinely reflected for a while. It was comforting to know that I'm not going to be stuck wandering on a mountain I'm not entirely sure I want to climb and to remember there are other mountains in the first place, even though I have no clue what other mountain I'd want to climb.
Anywho, I really appreciated it too, and I really love Sean for talking about such things in his videos! It really does help in normalising such things and feeling less alone.
Cheers! Good job for following your dreams. Guitar can be pretty fun.
the dead pixel is Anya's trauma that's always there in the back of her mind that Curly can't see cause he's used to seeing the bigger picture
omg. that is so smart
2:11:14 The reason Anya’s ID wasn’t on the wall was because Jimmy didn’t feel any guilt for Anya during the whole game, you can also see that after her death when there was no dialogue for her, and how he interacted with her in a condescending like way for the majority of time that they talked with each other.
I wonder if Jack caught onto the refusal to take responsibility, walking backwards into blind denial and ignorance sequence. That was legitimately well done imagery. It's kind of baffling to me that anybody thinks Jimmy actually took responsibility for anything he did or caused. The whole point is that he didn't.
dude, all of the symbolism and imagery in this game is insane. so depressing yet so good, ughhh
You seem to be on a horror game streak! Maybe consider playing "Bad Parenting"? It got a similar vibe to this game (visually at least). Love to you as always! ❤
sean going “are we the baddies” while looking solemn into the camera as if we didn’t just endure jimmy’s abuse for 2 hours💀💀💀
The reason Anya probably doesn’t like feeding Curly is because she has to FORCE the painkillers into him. Like how she was forced by Jimmy.
Markiplier creates film for Iron Lung. Jack creates film for Mouthwashing?...
An AU is an astronomical unit which is the average distance between the earth and the sun! So 149.6 million kilometers/93 million miles
Curly calling Jimmy SAing Anya a "difficult situation" for THEM to "fix" when they got back to Earth made me lose any and all sympathy I had for him until that point. Like.....c'mon....
It seems like wish fulfillment on Jimmy's part - we're seeing that flashback from his perspective and he's an unreliable narrator, so Jimmy recalling that moment might actually just be him imagining what he desperately wanted to hear Curly say to him.
@@LOWBORN-the-LOATHSOME I suppose that is a possibility, I personally ascribe to the idea that the Curly Jimmy put in the cryo-pod was already dead.
But there's also the scene, when the player is controlling Curly and Anya tells him she's pregnant, and he sputters asking her "how" and she just stares at him and says "I already told you how."
So, she told him that Jimmy ass*ulted her. Potentially multiple times. And yet he's done....nothing. And pals around with him like normal.
Curly was a corporate man
@@olive92 he couldn't do anything to Jimmy on the ship because there isn't anything to do. He could write him up reprimand him but it wouldn't do anything since they still had months before returning. So as to not invoke a scene on the ship just to keep it running he had to act buddy buddy with him because there's nothing that could be done until they returned. I suppose putting him in cryopod would count for something but it because it's a corporate ship and it's an emergency use only it would get curly in trouble and cause the higher ups to disregard jimmy's actions because as long as curly was alive and captain they would only see anything that happened as curly being incompetent at his job and anything that can or will happen will fall under him
@@ChordsandSotoOfficial given that Jimmy was actively harassing Anya in her job on top of things and there were STILL no locks on crew quarters, then yes. Lock him in the Cryo-pod or in storage. Would have prevented the entire events of the gam and any further /ass*ult/.
But they were buddies, so he wouldn't. Once again, Curly was actively telling Jimmy that they "would fix it" when they get back to Earth, and that "they've gotten out of difficult situations before". And that can mead a vast variety of things but I can also heavily mean, since they worked together for years, that this is not the first time Curly has covered for Jimmy being a monster. He was even letting him avoid psych evals and then giving him the answers so he would pass. He knew. And Jimmy was the one he was concerned with protecting.
38:00 "I thought a monster got on board"
Youre still right - there IS a monster on that ship. His name is Jimmy.