How Do Orthodox and Protestant Theology Differ?
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May the leaders of both the West and Eastern Churchs bring about the unity Jesus prayed for in the Garden
Yes, unity, but only under the Othodox Christianity. Ecumenism is the tool of devil
Since the tower of babel, men have not been able to work as one.
@@Dofungulous I'm certain God can guide the leaders of them to an understanding that leads to unity
the (Eastern) Orthodox Catholic church is already and will forever be the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church; Jesus was not praying for a false union with heretics and schismatics.
Roman 16:16 Salute one another with a holy kiss the churches of Christ salute you. There is only one church
Psalm 135 his mercy endures forever ☦️
I was baptized just a month ago in the very same orthodox cathedral that is shown in this video . I'm so happy to be a part of it now. Seiing some familiar faces made me smile, thank you)
Greetings from Russia
Its interesting because as a Reformed Protestant we make the focus mostly on Rome and very few discussions are had about Greek Orthodox. Im sure part of it is the history and culture but Orthodox almost gets forgotten about.
I think this is one of the problems with Protestantism. Many of the arguments they make aren't just against the Catholic Church but all the historical churches.
@@vincentterraneo263 Curiously enough, much Lutheran Christology is more explicitly Eastern in derivation (through the Cappadocians) and hearkens back to the pre-Schism understandings later expressly downplayed by Rome.
Weirdly and very interestingly, indeed, protestants base their theology against the Catholic Church.
When I became christian and was looking for the proper Church, I got definitely away from protestants because of that: they need the Catholic Church to exist. They don't have no consistency by themselves.
@@vincentterraneo263that’s a mischaracterization of Protestants. Protestants PRIMARY reason for the reformation was to do retrieve and return to sounds doctrine as expressed by the Bible and the early church.
@@Andy-gq5hb I don't think it's a mischarsterization. That may be the reason for the reformation but that doesn't mean it was successful. I think it says a lot the Churches that broke away in the 300s and 400s are much more similar to Catholicism than Protestantism.
I hope we Catholics and our Orthodox Brothers can come together again. Our relations have been better, but I hope some day we are United again.
If they take back every hertical thing they have done and repent we would be more then happy for them to join our church
@@SgtPiper Yeah, good my dude, you're on the right path for reuniting the one true Church of Jesus Christ.
@@SgtPiper You know it's funny you say that. In reality, the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches are the only non-heretical ones.
@@wheatandtares-xk4lp The Catholics are clearly hertical and not the true church
As a Protestant, I too hope for that. God bless.
Straightforward and well put! Love from your Catholic brother!
Glory to Christ and his Church ☝️☦️
Love and agreement here from your Catholic brothers and sisters!
As a Protestant, thank you for being fair and straightforward. Despite our differences, y’all are my brothers in Christ.
You are not my brother
@@VolkovVelikanWhat makes you say that
@@VolkovVelikanwhy’s that you don’t sound Christian
@@VolkovVelikan don’t say that
@@VolkovVelikanfake "Christian"
Wow you packed a doctoral level dissertation into this short, thank you so much, I really respect your work and your apologetics for orthodox christianity. Orthodox teachings reflect our understanding that our taste of heaven can and does start Now❤❤❤
Reformed Baptist here. Thanks for fairly representing us!
So what? There was not Protestant present at the last supper nor Pentecost nor the ascension! GOD did not ordain the reformation and never selected Martin Luther nor John Calvin to do anything!
Some of this went over my head but I am going to keep studying. God Bless you in Jesus name
“The differences between Catholics and Protestants, is the same as the difference between Orthodox and Protestants” lol
Props for making an informational video that doesn’t sound like it was made by a 14 year old kid who just changed positions a couple months ago and has a thinly veiled contempt for the other.
We like Kyle.
That last point is great.
I think Lutherans and Anglicans accept the first 7 ecumenical councils as authoritative for interpretation of scripture. We also tent to be more liturgical than than say, American evangelicals.
They claim so, but they don't at all.
The problem with this claim is that if you accept the first 7 ecumenical councils, why would you reject the Church that held those same councils? Also the 7th one dealt a lot with iconography and as far as I’m aware, many Lutherans are not big on the veneration of icons.
All 7 Ecumenical Councils contain things that Lutherans and Anglicans consider yucky.
Lutherans, with the exception of the Nordics and Finns, are Presbyterian in Polity, which is actually banned at the 1st Ecumenical Council.
Interesting fact… nowhere in scripture does it say “scripture alone.” and yet….
Well, in the old covenant, the Jews kept the Commandments they kept the law they had the Tanakh, the Torah, the Old Testament as their source of inspiration God was not less visible, but his presence was not as easily accessed to the commoner in the same since the protestants have returned to scripture alone like the Jews had the law. Scripture alone has become not the law on our hearts but a inward transformation of what the gospel really means in this case the gospel is inspired by the Holy Spirit so In turn, the Holy Spirit and God leads people to salvation through the holy scripture. If salvation were through the orthodox church alone or through the Catholic Church alone, we would be going back to religion. The very thing Jesus criticized the Pharisees and the Sadducees of. I believe each part of the kingdom of God it’s provinces Catholic orthodox the different protestants dominations have their specific place and Christ as our church head not a religious thing or something God doesn’t care for our own human theology but something more personal relationship with God.
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me-Jesus
@@Caligulashorse1453
From the Eastern Orthodox perspective, the Body of Christ is a historical reality with real continuity over time.
Roman Catholicism was a departure from Orthodoxy, and Protestantism was a further departure from Roman Catholicism.
Protestantism, by fiat, establshes a new church and calls it the Assembly of God, visibly shattered into hundreds of competing sects, yet invisibly united in Christ.
I believe this is entirely antithetical to the "One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church" of the first millennium.
1 Corinthians 4:6
@@tomtemple69
1. **1 Corinthians 4:6:** "I have applied all these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another."
2. **2 Thessalonians 2:15:** "So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter."
From a Catholic perspective, these two verses together underscore the importance of both written and unwritten traditions in the Christian faith.
1 Corinthians 4:6 reminds believers to avoid divisions based on personal interpretations and pride, but it doesn't dismiss tradition. Instead, it encourages adherence to the teachings, which include both written and oral instructions.
2 Thessalonians 2:15 supports the idea of holding fast to the traditions, whether transmitted orally or in writing. This verse acknowledges the validity of Apostolic Tradition alongside written letters (Scripture).
Catholics believe that these traditions were faithfully passed down through the generations and continue to be essential in understanding and living out the Christian faith. Therefore, from a Catholic viewpoint, both verses affirm the value of tradition, both written and spoken, alongside Scripture, in guiding the Church.
Why would God allow His devout Catholic (defender of the faith) servants to become Protestant reformers at that time, that would change the course of Western History? 🤔
That last point I'm having a little trouble understanding. Have you done a video on that point alone, and if not, could you do one? Thank you!
I’m a non denominational guy but I have respect for the Orthodox Church God bless you all brothers and sisters in Christ ✝️☦️
As a follower of The Lord, I can only imagine how confusing stuff like this is to atheists and non believers.
"We split because they believe Jesus loves us and died for our sins, while WE believe Jesus died for our sins and loves us" is what some of these differences sound like; between Christian sects.
I'm just a Babtist, I'm not sure that last point is right. I don't remember Jesus imputating anything.
If you mean, the Holy Spirit can compell, or influence you to do the right thing, then yes. We do believe that.
I thought Orthodox Christians also believed that, so I'm not at all sure what you meant.
Much love to the Orthodox from a protestant. I can totally see your points and what the early church fathers taught is important.
An important distinction that you blundered was when you tried to convey Protestants understanding of sola scriptura. We don’t believe scripture alone dictates the church. We believe that scriptura alone infallibly dictates the church while all the other traditions, liturgy, sacraments, etc are important, just not infallible.
The orthodox after hearing Luther's ideas:
"thanks, but no thanks".
"Don't call us, we'll call you!"
well St Cyril Lucaris did ally with the calvinists
@@diansc7322 huh. Did he switch teams?
@@hailholyqueen almost
@@diansc7322 thank you
Why can't we ge friends?
Love that song!
As cofe ...supposedly Protestant I don’t hold what you’re telling me I’m supposed to
And this is why the bride has not made herself ready.
OCA makes for solidarity.
Protestant theology creates loop holes for interpretations.
Greek Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism are the bands of brass and iron bound to the Babylonian stump of Daniel 4.
No, bronze and iron are metals which refer to the succeeding kingdoms in the polity prophesied in Daniel 2. Babylon is succeeded by Persia, Greece, and Rome, and in the days of the Roman Empire the kingdom of God comes.
My biggest question to Orthodoxy about the authority of Tradition is this: if Tradition is equally authoritative as Scripture, why is it not canonized?
What happens when early church fathers contradict each other?
*Tradition is to Scripture as the Talmud is to the Torah.*
Tradition doesn’t supersede scripture. Scripture is still of a primary focus. The way of thinking about it is that tradition predates scripture. The commonly accepted canon wasn’t settled until the 300s and later. So imagine being a Christian who lived in the year 150. You wouldn’t have access to all the scripture. Maybe an epistle of Paul or something to that effect, but not a complete list of books. So you as a second century Christian, how would you know which church to go to? You would go to the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church. You would listen to the liturgy and worship in the Church, be baptized, receive the Eucharist, etc. It wasn’t a “Wild West” sort of scenario. The early Church played a crucial role in the salvation of souls.
@@countryboyred this makes sense to me. As long as it doesn’t contradict the afterwards canonized Scripture, I see no issue. Only when the Church begins to impose on the consciences of the people something which God did not impose and calls it mandatory do I think an issue arises. My dad is baptized Orthodox but this is very new to me, so I’m still trying (earnestly) to iron out some things. Thank you for a thoughtful response.
@@EM-ox3rw Thank you for engaging with me in a reasonable manner and if you have any further questions I would be happy to answer. God bless you and your family.
@@countryboyred thank you, the Lord bless you and yours as well.
@@bobbobberson5627 what exactly do you mean
Thank God I'm Orthodox.
Not quite correct regarding the placement of Tradition. The traditions of the Fathers are good and proper for the interpretation of Scripture; sola scriptura actually hold to that standard. What sola scriptura does not allow is for Tradition to supplant Scripture or go outside of it in creating doctrine. That is where Orthodoxy (and Rome) often go wrong; they make appeals to Tradition outside of Scripture to make doctrines that cannot be argued from Scripture which, oddly enough, often goes against the clear interpretive Traditions of the Fathers they are making those appeals to.
Could you give some examples?
@@deror007 For examples of Orthodoxy abusing Tradition by going outside of Scripture to establish dogma/doctrine? Prayers to the saints would be a good place to start.
@@pete3397 From my understanding prayer to saints is not a form of worship but a way to support worship to God. This is known as Intercessory prayer.
@@deror007
"For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." -1 Timothy 2:5
"For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten." - Ecclesiastes 9:5
@@GoofyAhOklahoma I don't understand why you have quoted ecclesiastes 9:5 when that would go against the concept of an afterlife if interpreted as the dead having no knowledge or ability. In context, this verse is for individuals who are in Sheol.
Secondly, my response for 1 Timothy 2:5 is: it is true only Jesus can bring us to God but it does not mean others can help are paths towards God. In 1 Timothy 2:7 St. Paul states that he was sent as an Apostle and teacher to proclaim the message. Thus getting people closer to God. This is a kind of mediator, (not of the same kind and role as Jesus obviously). Today priests and other members of the Church do this too. So, on behalf of Saints (other mediators), we can also get closer to God.
I have to disagree that Catholic and Orthodox traditions contradict the scripture. And funny enough tradition is used to even interpret and select the books of the Bible. The first Christians didn't have access to the gospel's in writing after a few decades of the early Church. So Sola Scriptura cannot exist without tradition being the foundation.
But, this is my understanding and talking to more knowledgeable people who may or may not agree with you is a good move.
These differences seem to be splitting theological hairs, and have little effect on the lives of ordinary believers.
I couldn't disagree more, but God bless
I couldn't agree more. Seems super Semantical. A regular beleiver wouldn't even understand these topics.
As a Methodist... I feel like you've completely overlooked us
Methodist is protestantism
@@kike0260He’ss saying their views are different than the ones mentioned in the vid.
Methodism originally developed in and then very pragmatically broke away from the Church of England. It’s Protestant, just not first generation Protestant.
Orthodox nonsense, the people of Israel were they Orthodox??? They rebelled against Moses and their saviour God.
As a Catholic I find it rewarding having charitable discussions with orthodox brethren. Don’t get me wrong sometimes it is frustrating lol. Having discussions with protestants, however, is never fun
As an Orthodox I feel the same way about Catholics. It’s very fun and educational to discuss Church history.
It's definitely rewarding. I think I'm a better Christian because of it. It's forced me to engage with the faith on a far deeper level.
Well, I think there is some residual bitterness between Roman Catholic church and Protestant church (especially traditional ones like Reformed). Each party deems other as wayward pastors, although some clergymen are really nice and friendly toward others.
Forensic justification is an aspect of justification and in no way it removes baptismal regeneration. Also scripture alone helps to distinguish which traditions truly are apostolic. For example we know there are 7 sacraments. But we also can discard purgatory which was never taught by our church fathers. Finally, the first protestants have more in common with Rome than rome with orthodoxy.
I would disagree with some of these.
Most protestants don't know anything about Christian traditions, because they were never taught about it.
It's only when you get older that you learn, mostly by yourself, that different denominations do some things differently.
The last point, I really do believe that we are talking pass eachother. Of course you can't just live a life that you want after being saved. You have to bear fruit and you are called to live a holy life. Both believe that we are saved by what Christ did and that nothing we can do will save us. So it's just that we aren't listening to eachother.
We do believe that Lord Jesus lives in the believer along with the Father by the Holy Spirit.
No, sir. Balrogs have wings.
No, sir. Balrogs do not have wings.
Well then...WAR.
Sounds reasonable.
This is holy family business, and your comment is both unwanted and disrespectful. I just wanted you to know that. please have a good day sir.
I just want to add that Protestantism is a major umbrella that includes modern reforms, like non-denominationals. So although it’s most likely that any protestant you’ll meet will follow Sola Scriptura and Sola Fide, you may meet protestants that follow an orthodox approach to interpreting scripture, and therefor reject sola fide, venerate saints, etc. I’m one: i’m a lapsed Catholic but do not agree the literal church is inseparable from Christ and salvation , and i do not agree with every thing taught by the authority, so I attend a reformed calvinist church, and pray the rosary in private, etc.
I have many friends like that. “Cradle Catholics” that now attend evangelical types of churches. They often tell me it’s because the Catholic Church since Vatican 2 has changed so much so while they still believe in Catholicism they seek a strong relationship and worship towards the Lord.
To many hard words!
Beware the levan of the Pharisees
Yep.
Yep, they search the scriptures for in them they think they have eternal life ☦️
Justification is from Martin Luther, and Sanctification is from John Wesley.
I live fine without all this religiousness.
What orthodox church
Russian ,Romanian, Greek ,serb or Ukrainian
Notice if I get baptized into the Russian orthodox church I can't partake in mass in a Romanian Greek bulgar serb orthodox church
Orthodoxy is more split than protestantism
Where did you hear this? I was baptized into a Greek Orthodox Church and regularly commune at Russian and Serbian parishes. There is ONE Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church. We are all in communion with one another.
Contribute to society and the church in the name of God.
Idk man ive been watching the chosen and reading the bible. Ive always been turned off by the catholic church, not just by the mary issue the pope and fathers, but the pompousness of men. Even up to the death of christ his apostles were argueing over rank and power. I just listen to the book and learn from ppl that i dont believe contradict scripture. About it.
Will you consider the Protestants a brother/sister in Christ?
Yes, I consider Trinitarian Protestants to be separated brothers in the Lord.
@@Seraphim-Hamilton That stuns me actually. I think you are the first orthodox to say that, that I've heard. Orthodox priests openly despise us, so I stopped trying to listen to them. Yet I can listen to Catholic priests. I'm told routinely I'm not the same religion as the Orthodox.
@@Seraphim-Hamilton appreciate it! Just curious to know what is the official stand of the Orthodox Church on this issue? I know the official stand of RC is Prots are separated brethren
No
No. GOD never visited Martin Luther nor John Calvin and say now I want to ignore Pentecost and not have Apostolic succession. How can you remove history. The Nicene and The Apostle creed states which CHURCH and it is not Protestant!
You have to believe salvation by faith alone. We humans can't reach the glory of God. So God save us by faith alone. Not by works and baptism.
That's Gnosticism, a heretical religion that actually predates Christianity but tried to combine neoplatonism with Christianity.
Salvation is not dependent upon belief in sola fide, salvation is "by grace through faith" (Ephesians 2:8) that faith is working in love (James 2:23-26)
Additionally, baptism is not a "work" it is a sacrament, which saves (1 Peter 3:21) because it is God's grace being physically imparted to the believer, not the priest's grace. That is why Eastern Orthodox Christians say "Thou art baptized" not "I baptize thee" during baptisms, because the baptism is God's, not the priest's.
We do not live in a purely spiritual world where the physical world is an illusion, I sincerely hope you do not believe this as it is a heresy called Docetism. Yes, the flesh profits nothing, because the flesh can generate no grace of its own, we need God for salvation, but did not God become flesh for our salvation as Jesus Christ? He did, and it is by the faith working through love He established, through His body, the Orthodox Church, that we are saved.
Catholics believe that Orthodox are essentially the same. We welcome Orthodox to partake of Holy Communion whenever they visit a Catholic Church. We pray for Christian unity, as Jesus did.
I have no idea what the visiual unity of the church is a future reality means? Could some write one of tbese from the protestant persoective? I keep have to look up bave the phrases and still dont really see the issue
It doesnt work in martial arts, i dont know you expect it to work in the church. Thats why lineage after multiple generations means little in the martial arts.
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Praise the Holy trinity my soul❤
I had the HOLY GHOST and Backslid. This is horrible. I am 48 stupid I want heaven. What was I thinking to drink and grieve the HOLY GHOST get damned no children cut off . Someone pray
Real question from a protestant why didn’t the reformers look to orthodoxy when breaking off of Catholicism?
Because, except for the Papscy and Filioque, there virtually no theological or structural differences between the two that would give the reformers any inspiration
Reforming what they believe were a deviation, such as indulgences, which I’m assuming the orthodox we’re not doing?
Some of them actually did early on. Lutheran theologians had a correspondence with the Patriarch of Constantinople for a time, but since the Church did not share a number of their reformation distinctives the correspondence ended.
And you are correct that the Orthodox did not offer indulgences.
The same reason why they keep spliting in tousends denomination until now. Rome split becouse pope saw himself above others, from there others spliting for same reason. Ego
Because they weren’t Orthodox. The Reformers were looking away to break from the hegemony of Rome. Orthodoxy is so close theologically and traditionally linked to Catholicism that for the reformers it wasn’t enough of a departure. The 5 Solas are in complete contradiction to Orthodox and Catholic theology. Also the geographical distance played a part. Orthodoxy was largely confined to the East and wasn’t accessible to many of the Western Christians.
As a Protestant theologian I think you've oversimplified the many different kinds of protestant theologies. 'Happy to chat. Thanks
It does not matter! You were never selected to become and Apostle nor one of the seventy two! You were never present at the last Supper nor Pentecost nor the ascension!
@@duanewoodson9804 Well, I can't disagree with the second part of your reply. Thanks!
Protestant theology might be good in some ways because there are well meaning and God loving Protestants but they are lacking in many ways:
1. No Church authority - there might be a church government but pastors and elders do not claim teaching authority. They base their authority on the Berean Principle, which goes like this: “Do not take my word for it, see it in the bible for yourself.”
2. No apostolic succession
3. Not valid Holy Communion - because they don’t have valid priesthood.
4. The churches are not one.
5. Salvation is by faith alone. They deny the salvation by love which is good works such as Love your neighbor.
6. No teachings, just preachings.
History😊
Catholics + Orthodoxes = BFFs forever.
Where did you get That??
As a former Roman Catholic, nope.
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We are the Orthodox Catholic Church. But we are not bffs with the Roman Catholic church.
Orthodox and Catholics are friends, the Orthodox will never admit to it thought.
With all due respect, if you read the writings of Paul, Acts, early Church fathers and the Councils, protestants aren't even Christians!
I'mma simple person. Faith is enough for salvation just like the thief on His right hand. Other things like deeds, traditions etc are additions or rewards whatever they are.
No need to make it complicated. Men developed by grade 😌
Wanna have great position in Kingdom of Heaven? just teach and do all commandments, or wanna have low position? Do the least. It doesn't effect salvation.
Matthew 5:19 (WEBM) Whoever, therefore, shall break one of these least commandments, and teach others to do so, shall be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven; but whoever shall do and teach them shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.
The thief on his right hand proved his faith with actions (works). His faith was visible through this in his treatment of Christ and humility at the end. Faith without works is dead… because it is not true faith. That being said… works must be done with humility and because of faith, not for pride or arrogant reasons, not out of fear and not to prove to others how “Christian” you are.
The purpose of the church is to transform our life into worship, service, and following of Christ.
The thief on the cross knew he had reached his dying day, and Christ knew his heart, as He knows all hearts.
However, it's going a bit far to say that this man is a model for an entire life philosophy, aside from the issue of sincerely trusting and hoping in Christ.
We don't know his life before execution beside our Lord.
We do know that Christ established His church, with no "bible" but with apostles, in whom He vested authority to lead.
Unless you have no other options, i.e. you are in the process of being executed yourself, the thief on the cross cannot be your primary example in this life.
Christ's church is established here on earth to guide us in all things, that we lean not on our own understanding.
@@NicBob89 nope. He doesn't work. He believes Jesus is the Messiah. No need to keep traditions what so ever.
John 8:24 (PESH) I said to you, that you will die in your sins: for if you believe not that I AM, you will die in your sins.
Tell me what kind of work that saves him? Can you list it for me? Or what tradition saves him?
@@bigol9223 still doesn't change the fact by believing is enough to save.
John 8:24 (PESH) I said to you, that you will die in your sins: for if you believe not that I AM, you will die in your sins.
Now tell me what kind of works preceding faith can save?
@@danieludunkwa5213
Then Lucifer and his legions must have obtained salvation?
You don't think you can die in your sins even if you believe? You think a man who believes cannot be cut off just as he was grafted on?
What does the last one mean?
You pray to paintings but use different words to describe your worship. Adoration vs veneration is like the difference a between a man who kisses a married woman who is not his wife versus having sex with her. Both are sins but it's a question of how much.
Just because you don't worship Mary as
INTENSELY as God doesn't make it not sin that you worship Mary in the first place.
John 4 : 19 - 26
King James Version
19 The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet.
20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.
In this writings of the Scriptures, It is understood clearly the Israelites graven images of the Temple, Cherubims, and alikes, not even the Mountain of their forefathers, or the Jerusalem are not the place to worship God, or to say you don't need to go the Mountains of their forefathers or to Jerusalem or the infamous wall to worship God, for the worshippers after Jesus who sits at the right of the Father, the worshippers of the Father worship him in spirit and in truth.
Conclusion.
Wherever you are, you can worship and pray the Father in spirit and in truth in your hiding places than pray to God in public like the heathens, scribes, hypocrites, and Pharisees do.
Matthew 5 : 20
English Standard Version
20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 6 : 6
English Standard Version
“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.
2 “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. 3 But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you. 5 “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. 6 But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
Matthew 6 : 16 - 18
English Standard Version
“And when you fast, do not look gloomy like the hypocrites, for they disfigure their faces that their fasting may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. 17 But when you fast, anoint your head and wash your face, 18 that your fasting may not be seen by others but by your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
Matthew 6 : 24
English Standard Version
24 “No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.
Matthew 5 : 48
English Standard Version
48 You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Well, in defense of the Protestants, the New Testament was written by the Apostles of Christ, so I’m not sure how that differs in terms of what is considered authoritative.
My issue with Orthodoxy & Catholicism is it seems like Christian fan fiction rather than actual Christianity. They add all these extraneous bells & whistles that have nothing to do with the gospel & then insist these are MANDATORY.
I have no issue with all the little flair as long as it doesn’t contradict Scripture, but I do have a problem when someone tells me it’s mandatory.
😅 good one
@@bobbobberson5627 “you guys” 🤨 who is you guys?
@@EM-ox3rw you guys mean who ever your are.... so what are you?
@@joelandrew9688 “whoever I am” doesn’t have any smoke machines…? Have never been to a church with a smoke machine…? Where are these churches with smoke machines?
heh, those go figure the Orthodox and Catholic church share those beliefs. Almost like the protestant churches were the innovators here.
You know who also believes that tradition interpreted Scripture? The Pharisees... They also made uo traditions found nowhere in the Bible
Right, but Jesus didn't gives his Disciples the Bible to rule over them. He gave them a living Priesthood with the Apostles, which would hold all believers together in a common faith, and make rulings by council agreement- such as in Acts 1 + 2.
It is this Priesthood guided by the Holy Spirit which wrote the New Testament, and argued by Councils which interpretations of scripture go against what they already knew, yet were not technically explained on paper.
@@elf-lordsfriarofthemeadowl2039 the apostles could make rulings by council agreement, they had all the signs of the apostles: signs, wonders and miracles
@@peyton3760 Deuteronomy 34:9 - “Now Joshua the son of Nun was *_full of the spirit of wisdom,_* for Moses had *laid his hands on him;* so the children of Israel heeded him, and did as the Lord had commanded Moses.”
Random person: I support vegetarians.
Guy like you: you know who was a vegetarian? Hi*ler. He also thought eating animal flesh was bad.
You see how it is ridiculous? It's exactly how you sound like.
@@pipoulapiquette7804you really can’t understand the contextual implications?
In my country) Australia, Orthodox Churches are entirely ethnocentric. Ee have Greek, Macedonian, Serbian, Coptic churches. The liturgy is solely in the language of the ethnicity. It would be a joke for me to walk into an orthodox church here. Nobody would even speak to me, in fact most of the congregation are old and dont even speak English. There is nothing 'universal' about eastern orthodoxy. Catholicism is the bride of Christ. The only true church.
I have a question.
As a catholic we have one bible for all our rites.
Is orthodoxy one church?
And do all the churches have the same bible as each other?
And is the Bible or bibles close to our catholic Cannon?
I’m looking for more information about your church or churches from the source. Thanks
Actually, the Roman Catholic church has a different Biblical Canon depending on which one of the 7 Rites the sui iuris church (of which there are 23) belong to.
We have the same throughout all 15 churches, with the exception of the church of Georgia having 4th Maccabees, which is in the Greek appendix. So 99% uniform.
We have 3 books more than the Roman Catholics with 1st Esdras, 3rd Maccabees, and Prayer of Manasseh (and 4th Maccabees for the Georgian church). We also have one more Psalm, Psalm 151. We also have "Greek" Esther instead of the Masoretic version.
@@LadyMariaAll Catholic rites have 73 books. God bless the Eastern Orthodox. May we reunite.
@@LadyMaria oh cool thank you for this. It’s really helpful.
I look forward to reading this books.
As to our eastern Catholics having a different cannon of scripture. I believe that would be a little difficult. As our canon was officially closed for all time at the council of Trent in 1545ad. Any extra books they have or had would become apocrypha. But I’ll look into it.
Again, thank you for the information.
It’s the same… except the Catholics did some weird stuff
Just love GOD with all your heart mind and soul love GOD and love ur neighbor as yourself . Because all of this tradition without the love of GOD and neighbor , its empty just a phisical drill . Your nous must be connected to GOD ☦️ so that transformation can happen , theosis . If not then all of this just a bunch of ritualistic movements . The tradition is made so that we can worship GOD and not worship tradition , just like the sabath is made for man and not man for sabath and what im seeing is that we loved the tradition more than we loved GOD . Its dangerous and it annoys me .
Omg too fast for me. 😩
Tge traditions are slso important, hence ehy orthodox breeds less atheist
The apostles were Jewish Christians who observed the law.
Acts 15
How in the world do you reconcile Acts 15 with your view of Judaising the Faith?
And how do you reconcile it with the FACT that the first Christians were not judiasers. I'm mean seriously. Read the writings of Saint Justing the Martyr. Read his dialogue with Trypho (the Jew).
Paul rebuked Peter when Peter tried to be a Judaizer and deny the Gentiles entry into the Church and critique their practices.
@@countryboyred well it looks like we agree here pal
There is only one church....ortodox.
Lol, scripture IS the tradition of the apostles. The only authoritative tradition from the Holy Spirit.
False dichotomy video. Reformists held the same view of the early patristics. It’s the view that councils are less than the pope’s unilateral decision ultimately lead to the October 31st reformation we are about to celebrate.
How many of the first Protestant Churches now agree with the early Church Fathers, and do any of them still hold universal Church councils?
@@elf-lordsfriarofthemeadowl2039 the same number of them without popes.
The Church Fathers believed in Christ's real presence in Communion and in Apostolic Succession. The so-called Reformed Church denied patristic teachings on almost every aspects: justification, sacraments, ecclesiology, etc.
@@Xerxes2005 God be praised for the reformation of Martin Luther, which was the event I was referring to. The church Catholic re-purified by the gospel. Also, the church fathers are to be understood academically, but they were not inspired doctrine writers. Some had some terrible errors in places (Christosom trying to support that humans being were referred to as gods by the Father to explain some events in Genesis) and were brilliant in many others (which is why we hold them in esteem).
Luther was right about the Jews but that’s about it.
Really these differences don’t seem to matter much. Theirs different views on how salvation works that both acknowledge the need for salvation through Christ at the end of the day. My suspicion is that in heaven we will all find many people, Orthodox, Protestant, and Catholic that many of us will be surprised to see while we will also be surprised by some people that we don’t see from each of those traditions. To me we are life feuding children that our father wish would just get along.
Prove it! The Eucharist has to be valid! So how can any Protestant make the claim since none of you were selected to become an apprentice to any of the Twelve who received the authority at Pentecost! You have no way around this!
Kathodox
Stop going to churches. Go to Gods word. Otherwise they just trick you into worshipping Mary and saints.
You can’t make this stuff up.
How is the orthodox church one? From the hierarchical structure under jesus who is the vicar? Or better question do you even believe the restoration of the davidic kingdom? If your church can not agree on the hierarchical structure how can you trust the structure? Im not saying catholics got it all good. We got francis... Just saying there is a structure that is voted on by the bishops. That we can see documents wrote about by both christians and nonchristians. If you can only find your research under your own books and libraries likely they have been foraged. Nonchristians wrote about what christians were doing. Note i am very traditional Latin catholic. Im not branching this to the liberal NO "catholic". The NO id say is the biggest division catholics and "catholics" have same with "catholics" and orthodox. The idea of staying away to have more power seems odd. You have patriarchs as do we. we just have one thats greater among equal. Under one kingdom rather than depending how picky you want to be multiple just looks biblical. Saying catholics are schismatic as a orthodox look to me like saying greek orthodox are in schism with russian orthodox. You are not one but do not claim to be in schism how can you claim catholics in schism its easy to see why catholics see orthodox in schism. Just thoughts please tear me to shreads i wont relpy just want to read responses God bless.
As a traditional Anglican, I can assure that we do not think Scripture is the only guide to normative Church practice, we hold Scripture as the highest authority but also a very high regard for tradition, with the teachings of the Early Church being vitally important. Also, the differences between traditional Anglican and Orthodox liturgy are almost non-existent. We have vestments, incense, beautiful churches, the Eucharist is the central focus of all worship, we have daily offices, bells, plainsong chant, bishops, priests, deacons, we have full apostolic succession, and we have all male clergy and do not ordain women, etc.
Infact, our bishop in the Free Church of England (not to be confused with the heretical gay blessing, women ordaining, Church of England) was consecrated as a bishop by the bishops of the Syriac Orthodox Church in India that was founded by St. Thomas the Apostle. They fully recognise our orders and Church...
So your broad assertions about Protestants are certainly not true of many of them. The original historic Protestants affirmed all that which the Orthodox Church does, hence why they saw them as allies, as their intention was to escape the heresies of Rome and return to the true faith once delivered to the Apostles. So, Protestantism done properly is almost identical to Orthodox teachings and doctrine.
God Bless
Do Anglicans see themselves as Protestants? I've always felt like Protestantism was Lutheranism and its descendants.
@junicornplays980 We see ourselves as catholics in the universal sense, as catholic (small C) means universal, as it says in the creed 'we believe in one Holy, catholic and apostolic Church', but we are not Catholics (upper case C) and hence not Roman. We have valid apostolic succession just like the other major historic churches.
We're Protestants in the sense that we were born out of the reformation but not directly relating to Luther as such. Otherwise, we'd just be Lutherans. Anglicanism in some sense began with Augustine when he came to England in 597 AD and became the first Archbishop of Canterbury. Sadly, the Church of England have become willfully heretical in 'blessing' gay couples/marriages and ordaining women. So I left to join a biblical and faithful Anglican group called the Free Church of England, who do not accept heresy. The intention of Anglicanism is to stay true to the teaching of the apostles and to leave behind the heresies of the Roman Church, trying to be as the Church was in the beginning, in that sense we are remarkably similar to the Orthodox. I consider myself Anglo-Orthodox, and our bishop was consecrated by bishops from the Syriac orthodox Church in India that was purportedly founded by St. Thomas.
@@Thomas-Purell-Ministry Thank you for the explanation. I've been saying that Anglicans weren't Protestant but seems I was incorrect.
@junicornplays980 well, it's somewhat complicated really, we are catholic in the universal sense and call ourselves such when we recite the Nicene creed during worship, but we came about after the reformation and split from the Roman Church. So we aren't Protestants in the same way as Baptists or pentecostals. So, in some sense, you are right to say we're not Protestants, but in another sense, we are protestant. Anglicanism is often called 'the middle way'.
@bobbobberson5627 I don't think that was an option at the time of the reformation in much of Europe. And, they didn't create a new church, they merely sought to correct the heresies of the existing church, but of course the RCC wouldn't allow that (we all know what they're like...) and so splitting off was the only option.
It is my hope that there will be unity amongst those who affirm the historic faith that we received from the Apostles.
Personally, I have considered joining the orthodox, but currently I'm in the ordination process with an Anglican group who are faithful to the apostolic deposit.
The tradition doesnot come from the apostles. I can't imagine Peter walking about in that ridiculous garb. Stick to the scriptures. 2000 years of bishops and patriarchs has drifted far from what the apostles did establish.
I'm not saying that Peter wore modern clerical vestments, but the idea that ornate vestments are "ridiculous" contradicts God in Exodus 28. And just because that's the old covenant doesn't change the point- which is that your reaction to ornate vestments is a cultural prejudice in favor of informality which is not shared by the scriptures.
@@Seraphim-Hamilton
Really? Can you show me a scripture to justify the wearing of priestly robes, or the title of "priest" "pope" "patriarch" meaning pater father, and arche from 756; (properly abstract) a commencement, or (concretely) chief (in various applications of order, time, place, or rank):--beginning, corner, (at the, the) first (estate), magistrate, power, principality, principle, rule.
Is this self exaltation what God wants, from a Bible teacher,
Dressing like a wizard?
Of course! Here's Exodus 28:
(Exodus 28:1-5) "Then bring near to you Aaron your brother, and his sons with him, from among the people of Israel, to serve me as priests--Aaron and Aaron's sons, Nadab and Abihu, Eleazar and Ithamar. And you shall make holy garments for Aaron your brother, for glory and for beauty. You shall speak to all the skillful, whom I have filled with a spirit of skill, that they make Aaron's garments to consecrate him for my priesthood. These are the garments that they shall make: a breastpiece, an ephod, a robe, a coat of checker work, a turban, and a sash. They shall make holy garments for Aaron your brother and his sons to serve me as priests. They shall receive gold, blue and purple and scarlet yarns, and fine twined linen.
The Levitical priesthood was responsible for instructing Israel in the scriptures, and God instructed them to wear beautiful and finely woven garments. Now, this doesn't prove that we should be doing this in the new covenant. But your argument wasn't that the covenantal situation had changed (we can talk about that if you'd like), but that ornate vestments were intrinsically ridiculous. Since God commanded the wearing of such garments to His people in the old covenant, they are certainly not intrinsically ridiculous.
@@Seraphim-Hamilton
I concede your point, old Testament priests, in the temple, wore elaborate robes.
It was taken very seriously. Point taken.
There is no temple since 70 A.D. am I wrong that the veil was torn top to bottom.
There are no priests, right?
1 Pet 2:9But ye are a chosen generation,
a royal priesthood,
an holy nation,
a peculiar people;
that ye should shew forth the praises of him
who hath called you out of darkness
into his marvellous light:
The priesthood of the believer was lifted by "tradition" it is unscriptural.
So, the idea of Peter, walking about in a cave under the city of Rome, in extravagant priestly robes seems "ridiculous" to me
For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. Mark 7:8
Tradition that comes from Christ isn't the traditions of men, read the Bible
The church and tradition existed before the New Testament. The word of God is oral too.
The Holy Spirit guides the church, ergo the tradition is from God, not from men. Nice try, but we also read the bible.
You should be careful in quoting bible verses. Even muslims do it inorder to fit their beliefs in.
Read scripture carefully with its true context. Learn the difference between the tradition of man (jews who were ethnic in their culture and salvation) and tradition of God (thats handed on to the apostles to the early church). All the letters that are found in the bible were written to specific churches to specific location. Here are some verses that could clarify and give u the right context.
"Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which you have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle." - 2Thess 2 : 15
"Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw yourselves from every brother that walks disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received from us." - 2Thess 3:6
"Now I praise you, brothers, that you remember me in all things, and hold firm the traditions, even as I delivered them to you." - 1 Corinth 11 : 2
Sola Scriptura is literally a tradition of men
Well, basically, Protestant is closer to the truth and "Orthodox" is further from the truth, but not quite as far as Catholicism.
There's only ONE "denomination" that is correct: biblical Christianity.
You should join the Church that wrote the Bible then.
Both are heresies why split hairs
Not to mention that Protestants believe They Alone are totally correct and just!
wrong
No, JESUS is correct and just.
@@jeonesevenv9His teachings are in the Orthodox Church.
@@LadyMaria your source = "trust me bro" lol 😅🙏🏻
Well it’s more a lack of understanding of each side the orthodox basically say the Orthodox Church is the only way to salvation. The protestant say salvation comes through scripture and times through word of mouth and believe in heart
Very clearly done with an Orthodox bias
I don't think that's a secret that I'm Orthodox, but do you feel that Protestant theology was unfairly represented?
@@Seraphim-Hamilton Perhaps not a secret to your followers, but I stumbled across this video on a randon YT watching spree. I'm not trying to be insulting by saying that, just acknowledging where I'm coming from. The only criticism I was attempting to make was that objectivity seemed to give way to favortism. It's not like you're the first one out there to take a "ya, my stuff" angle, it just calls into question the intent of the video. It felt a lot like a "my way is better" exercise.
@@Seraphim-Hamilton Here's a far more interesting story: my religious upbringing. I don't mean this in a narcissistic way, it's just theologically fascinating how it all played out. I was raised in the United Church of Canada. The "united" part being an amalgamation of the Methodist, Calvinist, and some Presbyterian churches, which weren't big enough to sustain themselves independently, as they are in the US. I've always been a deep thinker and philosopher, so how the church I attended fit in compared to others was always a fascination with me. I always felt that the church was overly loosey-goosey with its customs. Everyone was welcome, always. Things that other denominations had issues with, my church wasn't about to make a stink. Gay? Cool. Divorce? Why not. Women? Here are primary leadership roles, what glass ceiling? Despite choosing to pursue and attain my Convocation at age 14, I was calling into question, losing hard-fought debates and realizing my place as an atheist by my late-teens/early 20s. My penalty for leaving the church was almost nothing, save for a few lies in my parents' direction. The energy and efforts to lure me back were non-existent. Years later, I looked into what was going on with the United Church of Canada (I forgot to mention is one of, if not, the largest protestant churches in Canada), and the "Director of the Church", what the church calls its highest position, was eventually held by an admitted lesbian. Her successor? An admitted atheist. If that isn't theological failure, I don't know what. I'm not saying I regret my passage into atheism, I still stand by it wholeheartedly. But, if you are going to be about that religious life, at least stand for something, or you stand for nothing.
@@ravcreedso does this mean you actually approve the exposition of Church teaching here, then?
You can still trace to this day every priest, bishop, and pope back to Peter. The orthodox church broke that around 1054ad. The Catholic Church was already around for 1000 years. Protastants. Well, we all know that heresy.
Oh my. 🙄
Everyone who put his faith in Jesus can recieve salvation 🤦♂️
Humans tend to make it complicated 😏
@@danieludunkwa5213 No, you see, according to Catholics, you don't receive salvation through Jesus Christ and are reunited w/ Almighty God through Christ's atonement. You can only receive salvation through the Catholic church. You see, only that church represents Christ, and has replaced Christ as the means of salvation.
@@saintejeannedarc9460 i'm older than ur catholic church 🙃
Go ask ur priests from Mount Attos. I'm one of guardians 🤦♂️
Your foil hat needs to be loosened.
Thank God for catholic and orthodox churches. Thank God we are able to receive holy communion the holy body and blood of our lord Jesus Christ. Our lord said, very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. The devil does a wonderful job to mislead and confuse the people. Now, you see In America thousands of denominations reformers/ rebellions false preachers wearing suite and saying reading just the Bible will save you. The devil is working really hard not letting people to receive holy communion. Our body and blood is corrupted. We need to repent and confess our sins to a priest in order we can receive the holy body and blood of Jesus Christ. I hope catholic and orthodox churches unite and celebrate Easter same week 🙏
Orthodox are the og Protestants.
So to shorten things up…….. neither teach what Christ taught. Thanks
And also to shorten things up, you took absolutely nothing from this short and it shows.
Thanks.
Who is right then?
Christ
@cgs-nu9zf and christ let the Apostles and the Apostles the bishops.
The Orthodox Church does as it's the Body of Christ, the Church of Christ where He is Head. It may not teach your flawed personal ideas of Holy Scripture, no.
Both are wrong and have no salvation, Only the Traditional Catholic has it right, we will find out when we die, that is for sure.
Sola scripture. When you start beliving tradition over scripture then you start praying to icons angels and other people