I work in medicine and have a bit of a savior complex. I stayed in a relationship with a narcissist for 7 years, trying to drag him into the light. All I ever got from that relationship was pain. I finally reached my limit of pain tolerance in 2024 and walked away. Best decision I ever made.
Yeah I've had to learn the hard way that the saying "never date someone you want/need to change, find someone you don't have to change" is the best advice you could ever get. Now when I'm attracted to someone if I find myself ruminating on how I can fix them or "drag them into the light" I realise they're not for me. I need to find someone whose already "there" and on my level, preferably someone whose been through therapy and know themselves well. I'm not doing their emotional work for them anymore.
That's the important thing. No matter what they claim, they don't care and they never will about anyone but themselves. Everything has to conform to their narrative, and they will stop at nothing to enforce it. Once I figured that out about my mother in law, it became a whole different situation.
It is but in their head it's another excuse as to why you must be destroyed and in their heads it's an endless stream of why you have to be destroyed and it's completely delusional, and they'll believe the smallest thing they come up with because every tiny thing you're doing must be directed at them. Even the very small things humans naturally just do in the way we all just interact and exist, even down to the way we walk, talk, sleep, eat, look at something from their perspective they're so reactive that everything has to be directed at them everything even your existence it must exist in order to hurt them. They aren't unreactive lol it's the opposite they are so beyond even the reactiveness of someone with huge anxiety that it's causing them to have one delusional thought after another and they're in a constant state of a mental breakdown because all the walls have clearly fell in these people a long time ago.
It's the worst thing anyone can do to someone i know because i've all i've been through with people that i have social anxiety and no idea where to start to connect with people i'm not sure i'm capable because it feels like it.
I know I'm a person with a mind of my own, but I got taken in by a covert narc. I was shocked to learn I was dealing with a controlling manipulator when I tried to say no. The lengths this narc went to to control the situation and/or me was unreal. I knew nobody else would believe it. I stuck to my guns but a whole bunch of people bought the narcs version of events, which made her look good and me bad. I know it would never stop so I left and went no contact. This person manages to look absolutely harmless.
@InboxJYP basically I suddenly realized I was being controlled so I wanted to make a point and exercise some autonomy. I said no to repeated invitations to go out where the narc wanted to go and she got absurdly pushy about it. I stuck to my guns. I had seen through her and she knew it. It was then I saw how aggressive she really was. She constantly controls everyone and everything, but it goes under the radar until suddenly, you see it. You can never unsee it. Hence the flying monkeys etc. Normal people don't need to go to those lengths. It was/is utterly disgusting.
What if you’re a senior and you’ve never had the experience of total trust with anyone. Growing up with a narcissist parent, how could you ever experience that?
Something that has helped me is to work on incremental progress in prioritizing the things I value. This has helped me to build trust within myself. I notice when I invest in myself and demonstrate to myself that what I value matters, I naturally feel a natural desire to trust others. This then puts me into an open frame of mind to build connections where trust can be shared step by step.
@jfdc8432 I'm a senior too! I've had narcissistic parents and caregivers. I've had a husband also narcissistic. And I never stop meeting these people. I'm alone and all these young people think I'm rich. I don't have friends but acquaintances. We have to be discerning in who we meet.
@@brightstar4321you replied to my comment on a video of Richard’s maybe a year ago and it so profoundly moved me I saved the words you wrote and read them when I find myself struggling with old thought patterns. You share brilliant insights and I am so glad to hear your wisdom here again!
I feel like learning about dark triad personalities is like facing 100% the fact that humans are still a part of nature in the sense that there will always be predators and prey, and that we cannot 'love and light' or pray or 'goodwill' a predator into being something he is not and was never designed to be, nor something that he does not have the biological wiring for. We need to be realistic about where we fit in the food chain in order to adequately keep ourselves safe. This was great thanks for sharing it.
As well as needing to imprison predators who use coercive control to abuse and take away your freedom. There need to be consequences for these evil beings in order to keep the rest of us safe.
@@sonja7halcyon That's right, in the movies they always kill the traitor first. While I disagree it's all biology, I do agree they're not going to change. I have predatory siblings and all of their predatory behaviors as children were always swept under the rug. They're conditioned to genuinely believe they're entitled to harm you because you deserve it. They're like LMN characters.
The smoke and mirrors in my relationship that kept me blinded and confused to the reality of who my ex bf was - a covert form of cluster b pd I believe based on what I have learned- included him being suspicious of cults, ostensibly devoted to “being more love in the world” (his words), his seemingly genuine but strange efforts to do nice things for people, he was a white guy from the south who had assimilated himself into a group of Native Americans which served as a kind of womb for him, in retrospect, where he could create a fantasy world that numbed him from the dysfunction and abuse he experienced in his childhood. There were so many red herrings that kept me endlessly unsettled from acknowledging his complete lack of empathy, lack of mercy, lack of normal human reactions to sadness, struggle, bids for compassion and understanding. The overriding theme of confusion and the power of perceiving goodness in an abuser or an abusive system like a cult needs more attention and this video does an amazing job at raising awareness. Thank you both.
Thank you for posting this, very very interesting. I went through a similar situation when my husband was dying. I got to a point where I had to accept I was a separate person, and if I didn’t hurry up & understand that on a cellular level, I felt like I would die too, and I felt like my heart shattered into a billion pieces
@@matthewatwood8641 🤣 I don’t feel everyone is a sociopath. It serves all of us well to always trust ourselves FIRST. Thankfully, I know and adore many, but we’ve put ourselves in harmful situations in the past because we trusted too quickly. Calm down.
Thank you so much for sharing this. 'The discovery' is deeply disturbing, but I don't doubt it one moment. in fact it helps me to finally make sense of so much I have experienced throughout my life. I guess this is why non-attachment and grey rock work: give them nothing. It is beautiful though that through this experience Mark is probably going to achieve exactly what he set out to do, and possibly even on a larger scale than he could ever have imagined.
One example of this in the UK is Extinction Rebellion and Just Stop Oil. I know this because my own mother is a coordinator (cult leader) for them. All the toxicity of her involvement got directed back towards me. I dont have anything to do with her any more.
Doesn't surprise me. People from the Birthstrike movement (not having kids to save the planet) said openly in interviews they literally have psychologists recruiting their patients. Talk about finding vulnerable victims.
13:45 recently had my disgust reaction come back online. Facial muscles i have never used before curling up my mouth, my gut actually pulsing with dread. I think it's part of the immune system and it was broken in my abusive childhood, making me susceptible to parasites...
@kunjesvari I've just checked out your channel, some great playlists, and information on there. Subbed. I wonder if you could elaborate or let me know where i can learn more about the parasites you mention? Do you mean energetic or literal? I've found people just have me down as a nut job when I've tried to discuss this topic. I've learned to keep quiet, tho it's quite a problem.tia 🙏
@amandam4148 oh wow thanks so much for the sub! Hope you will enjoy hearing from my Gurudev and the other Bhaktas i have featured! I would love a way to get in touch with you regarding gut health and cptsd, my specialty. I have healed from Crohn's disease which i was diagnosed with at age 12. Now 46, unmedicated and digesting well ! Parasites, i believe, like many beings in our reality, are fractal in nature. Meaning, the physical manifestation of leaky gut has it's roots in energetic boundary breeches, like self limiting beliefs and the harsh inner critic. And anyone who comes into our field, bug or human, who is not healthy for us has a better chance of getting in and setting up house in your biome/home/headspace. Healing in this case is also necessarily fractal, meaning we have to approach it as a mind/body/spirit complex and address each angle thoughtfully and patiently, and trust that true healing is possible. The internal spiritual practices are probably the most important, learning to hear the paramatman, The Lord in the heart, and trusting that everything is actually working together to bring you to greater self awareness and God consciousness. 🙏❤️🔥 Haribol!
@Kunjesvari Thanks for your response, I really appreciate it. Seems youtube has a lot of disappearing messages. Often, if you go back to click newest, there they are! I'm glad you found your way back to health, it's a massive journey. The best thing I've done for my health (esp. regarding parasites) is the Turpentine protocol: Dr.Jennifer Daniels. I look forward to digging deep with your channel.💚
Thank you Richard for 10 years of deep research and seeking the answers. A lot of people can see but not observe the patterns between cult and narcissism.
One of my relatives says, only your demon can see a demon. I don't know if you can see the ugliness without it changing you. I haven't been able to put mine back in. I don't feel like taking their crap.
It sounds like Mark had years of grooming by the cult leader that understandably impacted his clarity and sanity, but I am curious what was going through his mind when he learned that women were being branded like cattle in support of the cult leader and essentially sex trafficked into their role as sex slaves through the use of extortion and various forms of psychological leverage and exploitation. This is by far the most grotesque, debase and horrifying element of his experience with the cult as was described here that is very difficult for me to digest.
Incredible! Excellent presentation! Thank YOU so much for such an honest and helpful insight ❤ Am very grateful to you!🙏 Keep walking... keep shining... keep going
This is gold. I was filmed covertly by a 'best gay friend' for 7yrs, this is exactly it, and I had a dream, caught and jailed him. This is great content.
Someone who also strives to shine the little righteousness around that they have also, is a beautiful great feeling of emotions of safety and protection, part of a team , a family. A family of love and caring empathy 💗
This is so sad yet I am so happy it's being brought to light. I have never been part of a cult and am grateful that so many can be set free. Fortunately by the grace of God I had a wonderful father that taught me to not envy what others have, but to be truly happy for their happiness which filled my heart with love and appreciation. When what I refer to demons attempting to bring me down I stood up and "threw" it back on them so to say, those demons fled. I believe that GOD is omnipresent and has guided me. I pray that those I love are set free to enjoy their blessings. After all whom are we to judge? This is beautiful and life is a gift so enjoy it 💞
@watkinsinc.7147 cant take the truth. Answer this honestly. Does your God burn people alive in hell if they don't believe in the right God before they die? Just asking.
I still live with my narc husband. 28 years now. He stopped The fysikal abuse 2 years ago after i called police ceveral Times, and went to women shelter. I went back and it get worse! The mental abuse has made me sick, so i have problem with neuropatic pains, and now i have cancer.. So i blame him for my health because he has made me suffer a lot. So i havent told him how bad it is, because he will punisch me for becoming weak. So? To you ho Leave Them? Please do not go back, because The abuse gets worse IF you do!,. They will hate you when you go back because they know they are not worthy your compassion! Stay away when you Leave The first time, other wise they will cross you and destroy everything that is god with you.. 😢😢😢From Sweden. Ecuse my bad english
What the cult leader says about discovery is projection. He is putting his own feelings of loneliness to describe others when in actuality he is describing himself.The way that he makes others feel pain is his own personal pain.
One of the best insights into naecissistic abuse, I've been aware of cluster B for years but some of the things Mark said I never considered! Not sure if it was the way they were presented but thank you! Hearing these things made me feel more grounded, thank you Mark and Richard!
God bless these gentlemen. Just working threw the feelings after Officially ending a narcissistic relationship. Its lame and i feel kinda lame right now. My birthdays in January and i gave my self an early gift. Freedom is hard won but worth it.❤❤❤
I have experienced being completely duped by a person whose motive is this abnormal need for attention. In the case that you notice some small issues, you don't suspect this person is such a massive phoney. Most of us assume people are like we are, and if you're an authentic person, you don't suspect this. I will be forever suspicious of anybody who seems to have power or undue influence over other people who ought to be hos/her equal, not inferior.
14.21 in, so important.... And I too, have never really liked to be up on a stage, or put on a piedestal. I cried, when I see your sorrow, when one see through shits like this. I am so happy I didnt go to some very crazy course/cultleaders courses, now on svt torsdagar :) I must have been wired to see through those very Dark patterns, in how they use others, early. Met some of those, and backed off. Looks the same as in all Pyramid-MMM-Business cults, who uses people and scam them. Unless you are, or become like those, hyped up users. Thank you both!
You got me thinking, with all the V references, of that 80's tv show about the aliens, and with the Hunger, the vampire movie. I guess those fit right in line with Narcissism, why not?
The way he describes his abuse is so similar to mine. The term I came across was schadenfreude; I've even come across philosophical understandings that suggest a lifelong pursuit of pleasure ultimately leads to indulinging in the suffering of others. The way certain types of malignant narcissists engage in some of their activities seem to be almost unique to their species. I've pontificated enough, yet I wonder how many psychopaths, as Sam Valkman suggests, had a fundamental inability to individuate from their mother. Daddy issues almost seems like they are on a different spectrum...
Well judging by how all our family members are narcissists these days it's probably everyone, and then it's not over you go to school and then the teachers are like that and then they let in all kinds of messed up kids and teenagers who're like that and then they destroy you even when they shouldn't be allowed there to begin with. You are fighting a war on several fronts you can't win and you're prevented from escaping too and when you're younger you can't go anywhere because you can't look after yourself like how do you fight that in a world that is constantly encouraging narcissistic and abusive behavior?. I get why people get messed up i just can't wrap my head around how someone can be so messed up as raniere the only thing that makes sense is they had such a serve mental health breakdown and then continued to live in a constant mental breakdown and it can be a continuous state people live in when left untreated. However these days you're taught so little and prevented from learning about yourselves so much is hidden from you intentionally to the point you don't have such a level of awareness or understanding about yourself or anything else that can happen to you or what you can go through mentally, emotionally, and psychologically that you wouldn't even know you had a breakdown.
@Harteo3917 to comment on how you can't believe some people can get so messed up, the presenter talks about this interesting stance about "the suffering of the innocent" it coincides with one of Marcus Aurelius life's philosophies, "A life of pleasure can only ever lead to a life of pain." I really think people like Reniere exist, because they have experienced trauma that enabled certain genes. I think you are correct in thinking that many are being enabled by their environment. If we think of psychopaths as rats, then there is certainly a king among them.
Idk about this guy. His words don't match his actions/behavior. He says he's uncomfortable and hasn't spoken infront of a crowd since his experience in the cult, but he seems perfectly at home and doesn't stumble or stammer much, if at all. He doesn't seem like someone who has been through something horrible that he is genuinely at odds with. And maybe these speeches and videos and books are his ways of getting that attention/supply. Idk. Maybe I'm delusional and crazy, but I don't really buy this guy's shtick.
He said he didn’t like it (presenting to a group), which doesn’t equate to him not being good at it. He just comments that it’s weird being in front of a group as it’s the first time since he left the cult. Nothing weird about any of that.
It's fascinating how people who have never lived through a thing believe they can predict how a person would/ should behave after living through the thing. 😊
It's not meant to start an argument in the comments. Just expressing my view from my own PTSD brain. And, judging from the few thumbs up my comment got, I think it's fair to assume I'm not the only one.
@@Laredo-c7g So if I reply I am starting an argument? And because you have a couple of people giving you a 'thumbs up' you have made a valid point? Furthermore your 'PTSD brain' gives you license to denigrate a person's character based on feelings alone, without any credible experience or knowledge to draw on? Interesting. I do have experience and knowledge in this area (a cult that my father was involved in for over 30 years). My assessment of this gentleman is that he prepared to share a difficult life experience with a room full of strangers and an unknown number of people on the internet. In spite of the fact that his discomfort made him appear less than authentic at times, he did a very good job. I wish you all the best in your recovery. Please try to remember that other people are also recovering.
Nah i feel what's genuine and what's not and i've been through similar things on a less severe level i mean nothing can top that what this guy has gone through and what he's saying is completely genuine, and all of this is completely spot on to what even regular narcissists do because even being in a friend group or a relationship with these people it's still like being in a cult. I've had all of this done to me especially making me trust them in order to intentionally hurt me badly, and even here in the uk our collages run 1 hour long seminars at the start of the course in order to convince you that they really care about you and your concerns and that bullying and other things isn't tolerated even when it's full on accepted and even encouraged completely because cult behaviors has invaded everything. They're constantly trying to gain your trust and make you believe them that's the number one thing they need to achieve to then be able to harm you in whatever way they want to. And they know people are dying to unquestionably give their trust to someone because we just want to relax and feel so loved and safe that it's intoxicating, we want to be with someone where we can completely let go with and not have to bother about worrying so why they use that.
Hey Richard😊 if i can make a wish to you, i would love to hear what do you think about Lily Phillips case (sleeping 100man in 24h). It would be so interesting to hear your thoughs on that ❤️🤗
I hope you're being sarcastic because he's talking about a cult he was manipulated into called nxivm he isn't part of any group, the guy keith raniere only told him all of that stuff because he was just reflecting back to mark what he wanted to see and hear to completely appeal to his values. He's in jail now for all the other thing he did especially to women he manipulated into it. However if he told me all of that even when i was a teenager and what this cult was supposedly trying to do and that's to somehow fix the glitches in humanity so they can completely fix the world just like that i'd say "oh yeah? and how exactly are you going to achieve such a big feat? how are you going to convince the governments to stop creating a world that wants to keep people messed up and only appeals to the worst vices in people?". These people like raniere never actually ever have any sort of solutions and there's so many people out there who claim to and then if you haven't ever been betrayed, let down, used, and mislead enough already in your life you'll more than likely eat it up and allow them to keep leading you on when there was ever any real direction it was going in ever you are just being used. Cults aren't a good thing to be in but people who mislead you and gain your trust in order to hurt you intentionally are definitely not a good thing.
Satan himself appears as a being of light because even he is a reflection of the One True Creator that made him and made us. In the garden of Eden, Adam and Eve were not afraid of him, it seemed he had their best interest at heart.
@@wanderinghome9979 Without money they dont opperate. They are selling God, they have turned the Lord into a business. Religion Killed Christ. These people are hiding in plain sight. They are under the Judas covenant. Misleading millions. It is that broad.
Again, Cody, you’ve been hurt by ‘Christians’…..if they are behaving that way, they are not truly showing the love of the Father. Leave them….find Truth. I’m probably the age of your mom, if you have recently been in Bible College. Young man….leave that junk behind and find Yah just like King David, by yourself, through praise and study. You obviously have the Holy Spirit if you recognize the spirit of deception.
Interesting, obviously there must be something pathological about yourself to not only fall for it, but find yourself in a position of power within the cult. Can’t trust this guys intentions unfortunately flying so close to the devil.
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A bit ironic I was just getting into that then Richard suggested we join his "community" before we could hear the rest😅
Your unquestioning obedience is all that’s required 😇
Nooooo.... u 2 😂@@RICHARDGRANNON
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I love your humor deeply!!!❤️😄❤️
It can be "completely confused" too😅
I work in medicine and have a bit of a savior complex. I stayed in a relationship with a narcissist for 7 years, trying to drag him into the light. All I ever got from that relationship was pain. I finally reached my limit of pain tolerance in 2024 and walked away. Best decision I ever made.
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Yeah I've had to learn the hard way that the saying "never date someone you want/need to change, find someone you don't have to change" is the best advice you could ever get. Now when I'm attracted to someone if I find myself ruminating on how I can fix them or "drag them into the light" I realise they're not for me. I need to find someone whose already "there" and on my level, preferably someone whose been through therapy and know themselves well. I'm not doing their emotional work for them anymore.
Some people are absolutely committed to misery
That's the important thing. No matter what they claim, they don't care and they never will about anyone but themselves. Everything has to conform to their narrative, and they will stop at nothing to enforce it. Once I figured that out about my mother in law, it became a whole different situation.
Amen!!! Ditto!
It is terrible when you share with them the most vulnerable part of you and they use it to continue the manipulation and the control. Just horrible.
It is but in their head it's another excuse as to why you must be destroyed and in their heads it's an endless stream of why you have to be destroyed and it's completely delusional, and they'll believe the smallest thing they come up with because every tiny thing you're doing must be directed at them. Even the very small things humans naturally just do in the way we all just interact and exist, even down to the way we walk, talk, sleep, eat, look at something from their perspective they're so reactive that everything has to be directed at them everything even your existence it must exist in order to hurt them.
They aren't unreactive lol it's the opposite they are so beyond even the reactiveness of someone with huge anxiety that it's causing them to have one delusional thought after another and they're in a constant state of a mental breakdown because all the walls have clearly fell in these people a long time ago.
It's the worst thing anyone can do to someone i know because i've all i've been through with people that i have social anxiety and no idea where to start to connect with people i'm not sure i'm capable because it feels like it.
I know I'm a person with a mind of my own, but I got taken in by a covert narc. I was shocked to learn I was dealing with a controlling manipulator when I tried to say no. The lengths this narc went to to control the situation and/or me was unreal. I knew nobody else would believe it. I stuck to my guns but a whole bunch of people bought the narcs version of events, which made her look good and me bad. I know it would never stop so I left and went no contact.
This person manages to look absolutely harmless.
what were you saying no to if you do'n't mind sharing?
@InboxJYP basically I suddenly realized I was being controlled so I wanted to make a point and exercise some autonomy. I said no to repeated invitations to go out where the narc wanted to go and she got absurdly pushy about it. I stuck to my guns.
I had seen through her and she knew it. It was then I saw how aggressive she really was. She constantly controls everyone and everything, but it goes under the radar until suddenly, you see it. You can never unsee it. Hence the flying monkeys etc. Normal people don't need to go to those lengths. It was/is utterly disgusting.
It’s incredible yet soul destroying when their mask drops and you finally see what you’re dealing with.
This is mind blowing- this information is so powerful and it is going to liberate people.
What if you’re a senior and you’ve never had the experience of total trust with anyone. Growing up with a narcissist parent, how could you ever experience that?
Something that has helped me is to work on incremental progress in prioritizing the things I value. This has helped me to build trust within myself. I notice when I invest in myself and demonstrate to myself that what I value matters, I naturally feel a natural desire to trust others. This then puts me into an open frame of mind to build connections where trust can be shared step by step.
Although it is difficult, it can be done. And you are worthy of it. 💜
@jfdc8432 I'm a senior too! I've had narcissistic parents and caregivers. I've had a husband also narcissistic. And I never stop meeting these people. I'm alone and all these young people think I'm rich. I don't have friends but acquaintances. We have to be discerning in who we meet.
Seize back your power by going no contact is the first and most vital step.
God bless you.
@@brightstar4321you replied to my comment on a video of Richard’s maybe a year ago and it so profoundly moved me I saved the words you wrote and read them when I find myself struggling with old thought patterns. You share brilliant insights and I am so glad to hear your wisdom here again!
I feel like learning about dark triad personalities is like facing 100% the fact that humans are still a part of nature in the sense that there will always be predators and prey, and that we cannot 'love and light' or pray or 'goodwill' a predator into being something he is not and was never designed to be, nor something that he does not have the biological wiring for. We need to be realistic about where we fit in the food chain in order to adequately keep ourselves safe.
This was great thanks for sharing it.
As well as needing to imprison predators who use coercive control to abuse and take away your freedom. There need to be consequences for these evil beings in order to keep the rest of us safe.
Im not prey. Im a witch finder general.
@ you can be both. Every predator is also prey to some higher predator.
@@sonja7halcyon That's right, in the movies they always kill the traitor first. While I disagree it's all biology, I do agree they're not going to change. I have predatory siblings and all of their predatory behaviors as children were always swept under the rug. They're conditioned to genuinely believe they're entitled to harm you because you deserve it. They're like LMN characters.
Very, very, very good points. Thank you for sharing. 🙏🏾✨✨
I keep re-listening to the last five minutes of this talk…. Trying to get this to sink in. So Wild
The smoke and mirrors in my relationship that kept me blinded and confused to the reality of who my ex bf was - a covert form of cluster b pd I believe based on what I have learned- included him being suspicious of cults, ostensibly devoted to “being more love in the world” (his words), his seemingly genuine but strange efforts to do nice things for people, he was a white guy from the south who had assimilated himself into a group of Native Americans which served as a kind of womb for him, in retrospect, where he could create a fantasy world that numbed him from the dysfunction and abuse he experienced in his childhood. There were so many red herrings that kept me endlessly unsettled from acknowledging his complete lack of empathy, lack of mercy, lack of normal human reactions to sadness, struggle, bids for compassion and understanding. The overriding theme of confusion and the power of perceiving goodness in an abuser or an abusive system like a cult needs more attention and this video does an amazing job at raising awareness. Thank you both.
Thank you for posting this, very very interesting. I went through a similar situation when my husband was dying. I got to a point where I had to accept I was a separate person, and if I didn’t hurry up & understand that on a cellular level, I felt like I would die too, and I felt like my heart shattered into a billion pieces
There is no one you should feel completely safe with, except yourself.💜🤗💚
That is absolutely false an incredibly harmful thing to suggest. Everybody isn't a sociopathic narcissistic cult leader. I think you need help.
@@matthewatwood8641 🤣 I don’t feel everyone is a sociopath. It serves all of us well to always trust ourselves FIRST. Thankfully, I know and adore many, but we’ve put ourselves in harmful situations in the past because we trusted too quickly. Calm down.
Thank you so much for sharing this. 'The discovery' is deeply disturbing, but I don't doubt it one moment. in fact it helps me to finally make sense of so much I have experienced throughout my life. I guess this is why non-attachment and grey rock work: give them nothing. It is beautiful though that through this experience Mark is probably going to achieve exactly what he set out to do, and possibly even on a larger scale than he could ever have imagined.
One example of this in the UK is Extinction Rebellion and Just Stop Oil. I know this because my own mother is a coordinator (cult leader) for them. All the toxicity of her involvement got directed back towards me. I dont have anything to do with her any more.
Doesn't surprise me. People from the Birthstrike movement (not having kids to save the planet) said openly in interviews they literally have psychologists recruiting their patients. Talk about finding vulnerable victims.
13:45 recently had my disgust reaction come back online. Facial muscles i have never used before curling up my mouth, my gut actually pulsing with dread. I think it's part of the immune system and it was broken in my abusive childhood, making me susceptible to parasites...
@kunjesvari I've just checked out your channel, some great playlists, and information on there. Subbed. I wonder if you could elaborate or let me know where i can learn more about the parasites you mention? Do you mean energetic or literal? I've found people just have me down as a nut job when I've tried to discuss this topic. I've learned to keep quiet, tho it's quite a problem.tia 🙏
@amandam4148 oh wow thanks so much for the sub! Hope you will enjoy hearing from my Gurudev and the other Bhaktas i have featured!
I would love a way to get in touch with you regarding gut health and cptsd, my specialty. I have healed from Crohn's disease which i was diagnosed with at age 12. Now 46, unmedicated and digesting well !
Parasites, i believe, like many beings in our reality, are fractal in nature. Meaning, the physical manifestation of leaky gut has it's roots in energetic boundary breeches, like self limiting beliefs and the harsh inner critic. And anyone who comes into our field, bug or human, who is not healthy for us has a better chance of getting in and setting up house in your biome/home/headspace. Healing in this case is also necessarily fractal, meaning we have to approach it as a mind/body/spirit complex and address each angle thoughtfully and patiently, and trust that true healing is possible.
The internal spiritual practices are probably the most important, learning to hear the paramatman, The Lord in the heart, and trusting that everything is actually working together to bring you to greater self awareness and God consciousness.
🙏❤️🔥 Haribol!
Very frustrating, wrote a response, seems to have disappeared...
@@amandam4148 thanks for the sub! Hope you will enjoy hearing from my Gurudev and the other Bhaktas i have featured...
@Kunjesvari Thanks for your response, I really appreciate it.
Seems youtube has a lot of disappearing messages. Often, if you go back to click newest, there they are!
I'm glad you found your way back to health, it's a massive journey. The best thing I've done for my health (esp. regarding parasites) is the Turpentine protocol: Dr.Jennifer Daniels.
I look forward to digging deep with your channel.💚
Thank you Richard for 10 years of deep research and seeking the answers. A lot of people can see but not observe the patterns between cult and narcissism.
Thank you for sharing this, Richard. Thank you Mark V 😊🙏
Heart broken! For life!
One of my relatives says, only your demon can see a demon. I don't know if you can see the ugliness without it changing you. I haven't been able to put mine back in. I don't feel like taking their crap.
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It sounds like Mark had years of grooming by the cult leader that understandably impacted his clarity and sanity, but I am curious what was going through his mind when he learned that women were being branded like cattle in support of the cult leader and essentially sex trafficked into their role as sex slaves through the use of extortion and various forms of psychological leverage and exploitation. This is by far the most grotesque, debase and horrifying element of his experience with the cult as was described here that is very difficult for me to digest.
Incredible! Excellent presentation! Thank YOU so much for such an honest and helpful insight ❤ Am very grateful to you!🙏 Keep walking... keep shining... keep going
This is gold. I was filmed covertly by a 'best gay friend' for 7yrs, this is exactly it, and I had a dream, caught and jailed him. This is great content.
Someone who also strives to shine the little righteousness around that they have also, is a beautiful great feeling of emotions of safety and protection, part of a team , a family.
A family of love and caring empathy 💗
This is so sad yet I am so happy it's being brought to light.
I have never been part of a cult and am grateful that so many can be set free.
Fortunately by the grace of God I had a wonderful father that taught me to not envy what others have, but to be truly happy for their happiness which filled my heart with love and appreciation.
When what I refer to demons attempting to bring me down I stood up and "threw" it back on them so to say, those demons fled.
I believe that GOD is omnipresent and has guided me.
I pray that those I love are set free to enjoy their blessings.
After all whom are we to judge?
This is beautiful and life is a gift so enjoy it 💞
Is this the same God who will burn you forever if you don't believe in him? Asking for a friend...
@dwaynecarlson8953 Do not condescend me
@watkinsinc.7147 cant take the truth. Answer this honestly. Does your God burn people alive in hell if they don't believe in the right God before they die? Just asking.
I still live with my narc husband. 28 years now.
He stopped The fysikal abuse 2 years ago after i called police ceveral Times, and went to women shelter.
I went back and it get worse! The mental abuse has made me sick, so i have problem with neuropatic pains, and now i have cancer..
So i blame him for my health because he has made me suffer a lot.
So i havent told him how bad it is, because he will punisch me for becoming weak.
So? To you ho Leave Them? Please do not go back, because The abuse gets worse IF you do!,. They will hate you when you go back because they know they are not worthy your compassion!
Stay away when you Leave The first time, other wise they will cross you and destroy everything that is god with you.. 😢😢😢From Sweden. Ecuse my bad english
What the cult leader says about discovery is projection. He is putting his own feelings of loneliness to describe others when in actuality he is describing himself.The way that he makes others feel pain is his own personal pain.
yes they are. They don't understand anyone else, they only talk about themselves. Yes, projection
One of the best insights into naecissistic abuse, I've been aware of cluster B for years but some of the things Mark said I never considered! Not sure if it was the way they were presented but thank you! Hearing these things made me feel more grounded, thank you Mark and Richard!
Thanks guys. Keep up the good work.
Well done and said Mr. Vicente!! BRAVO!!!👏🏽 🌹🗽
This was so helpful I’m in actual shock
This was truly eye opening !!! Thank you so much Richard and Mark👍🥰❤️🙏
God bless these gentlemen. Just working threw the feelings after Officially ending a narcissistic relationship. Its lame and i feel kinda lame right now. My birthdays in January and i gave my self an early gift. Freedom is hard won but worth it.❤❤❤
Wow! Thank you Richard
Mark's channel is excellent 👍
@17:20 This is revelation of the method. It cannot be ignored, but it's only in hindsight, with eyes to see, that It cannot.
I have experienced being completely duped by a person whose motive is this abnormal need for attention. In the case that you notice some small issues, you don't suspect this person is such a massive phoney. Most of us assume people are like we are, and if you're an authentic person, you don't suspect this.
I will be forever suspicious of anybody who seems to have power or undue influence over other people who ought to be hos/her equal, not inferior.
14.21 in, so important....
And I too, have never really liked to be up on a stage, or put on a piedestal.
I cried, when I see your sorrow, when one see through shits like this.
I am so happy I didnt go to some very crazy course/cultleaders courses, now on svt torsdagar :)
I must have been wired to see through those very Dark patterns, in how they use others, early.
Met some of those, and backed off. Looks the same as in all Pyramid-MMM-Business cults, who uses people and scam them. Unless you are, or become like those, hyped up users.
Thank you both!
Thankyou for helping ❤❤❤💘❤️
You got me thinking, with all the V references, of that 80's tv show about the aliens,
and with the Hunger, the vampire movie.
I guess those fit right in line with Narcissism, why not?
Brilliant.
Thanks dude.
Saint Anger
Ironic that I’m now watching this on a “platform” which I habitually refer to as “weaponized narcissism.” To wit: RUclips.
Narcissistic personality helping others to be narcissistics Period
The way he describes his abuse is so similar to mine. The term I came across was schadenfreude; I've even come across philosophical understandings that suggest a lifelong pursuit of pleasure ultimately leads to indulinging in the suffering of others.
The way certain types of malignant narcissists engage in some of their activities seem to be almost unique to their species.
I've pontificated enough, yet I wonder how many psychopaths, as Sam Valkman suggests, had a fundamental inability to individuate from their mother.
Daddy issues almost seems like they are on a different spectrum...
Well judging by how all our family members are narcissists these days it's probably everyone, and then it's not over you go to school and then the teachers are like that and then they let in all kinds of messed up kids and teenagers who're like that and then they destroy you even when they shouldn't be allowed there to begin with.
You are fighting a war on several fronts you can't win and you're prevented from escaping too and when you're younger you can't go anywhere because you can't look after yourself like how do you fight that in a world that is constantly encouraging narcissistic and abusive behavior?. I get why people get messed up i just can't wrap my head around how someone can be so messed up as raniere the only thing that makes sense is they had such a serve mental health breakdown and then continued to live in a constant mental breakdown and it can be a continuous state people live in when left untreated.
However these days you're taught so little and prevented from learning about yourselves so much is hidden from you intentionally to the point you don't have such a level of awareness or understanding about yourself or anything else that can happen to you or what you can go through mentally, emotionally, and psychologically that you wouldn't even know you had a breakdown.
@Harteo3917 to comment on how you can't believe some people can get so messed up, the presenter talks about this interesting stance about "the suffering of the innocent" it coincides with one of Marcus Aurelius life's philosophies, "A life of pleasure can only ever lead to a life of pain."
I really think people like Reniere exist, because they have experienced trauma that enabled certain genes. I think you are correct in thinking that many are being enabled by their environment.
If we think of psychopaths as rats, then there is certainly a king among them.
Wild. I was just thinking about this .
Thx Richard, for this video.
Could you make a video with Jan Storms, i think its a great idea. best regards
Thank you. Watching from Alaska. 🤔
BTDT
btdt?
15:50 this hits hard 😭🙏
Powerful
It’s a disappointment and it’s a mockery of their ability to bullshit you on every level!!
Hi! 👋 I hope you’re doing OK I have been thinking about you a lot and hoping I’ll get to see you soon. Thank you. 🙏
Idk about this guy. His words don't match his actions/behavior. He says he's uncomfortable and hasn't spoken infront of a crowd since his experience in the cult, but he seems perfectly at home and doesn't stumble or stammer much, if at all. He doesn't seem like someone who has been through something horrible that he is genuinely at odds with. And maybe these speeches and videos and books are his ways of getting that attention/supply. Idk. Maybe I'm delusional and crazy, but I don't really buy this guy's shtick.
He said he didn’t like it (presenting to a group), which doesn’t equate to him not being good at it. He just comments that it’s weird being in front of a group as it’s the first time since he left the cult. Nothing weird about any of that.
It's fascinating how people who have never lived through a thing believe they can predict how a person would/ should behave after living through the thing. 😊
It's not meant to start an argument in the comments. Just expressing my view from my own PTSD brain. And, judging from the few thumbs up my comment got, I think it's fair to assume I'm not the only one.
@@Laredo-c7g So if I reply I am starting an argument? And because you have a couple of people giving you a 'thumbs up' you have made a valid point? Furthermore your 'PTSD brain' gives you license to denigrate a person's character based on feelings alone, without any credible experience or knowledge to draw on? Interesting. I do have experience and knowledge in this area (a cult that my father was involved in for over 30 years). My assessment of this gentleman is that he prepared to share a difficult life experience with a room full of strangers and an unknown number of people on the internet. In spite of the fact that his discomfort made him appear less than authentic at times, he did a very good job. I wish you all the best in your recovery. Please try to remember that other people are also recovering.
Nah i feel what's genuine and what's not and i've been through similar things on a less severe level i mean nothing can top that what this guy has gone through and what he's saying is completely genuine, and all of this is completely spot on to what even regular narcissists do because even being in a friend group or a relationship with these people it's still like being in a cult.
I've had all of this done to me especially making me trust them in order to intentionally hurt me badly, and even here in the uk our collages run 1 hour long seminars at the start of the course in order to convince you that they really care about you and your concerns and that bullying and other things isn't tolerated even when it's full on accepted and even encouraged completely because cult behaviors has invaded everything.
They're constantly trying to gain your trust and make you believe them that's the number one thing they need to achieve to then be able to harm you in whatever way they want to. And they know people are dying to unquestionably give their trust to someone because we just want to relax and feel so loved and safe that it's intoxicating, we want to be with someone where we can completely let go with and not have to bother about worrying so why they use that.
Trust no one. 😂
Hey Richard😊 if i can make a wish to you, i would love to hear what do you think about Lily Phillips case (sleeping 100man in 24h).
It would be so interesting to hear your thoughs on that ❤️🤗
What was the ladies name that wrote the article he read?
Criky the last thing I expected was NXIVM!!
wow! that's crazy
Where can I watch the whole thing?
Please direct me to the article you referred to...Sonya somebody?
this group sounds great how do i join this nxivm i want to improve the world, hes so charismatic.
I hope you're being sarcastic because he's talking about a cult he was manipulated into called nxivm he isn't part of any group, the guy keith raniere only told him all of that stuff because he was just reflecting back to mark what he wanted to see and hear to completely appeal to his values. He's in jail now for all the other thing he did especially to women he manipulated into it.
However if he told me all of that even when i was a teenager and what this cult was supposedly trying to do and that's to somehow fix the glitches in humanity so they can completely fix the world just like that i'd say "oh yeah? and how exactly are you going to achieve such a big feat? how are you going to convince the governments to stop creating a world that wants to keep people messed up and only appeals to the worst vices in people?".
These people like raniere never actually ever have any sort of solutions and there's so many people out there who claim to and then if you haven't ever been betrayed, let down, used, and mislead enough already in your life you'll more than likely eat it up and allow them to keep leading you on when there was ever any real direction it was going in ever you are just being used. Cults aren't a good thing to be in but people who mislead you and gain your trust in order to hurt you intentionally are definitely not a good thing.
Satan himself appears as a being of light because even he is a reflection of the One True Creator that made him and made us. In the garden of Eden, Adam and Eve were not afraid of him, it seemed he had their best interest at heart.
what do you think denominational church is? These leaders call themselves into service and are doing the same exact thing....
Some….true.
Not all.
Please don’t paint with so broad a brush.
@@wanderinghome9979 Without money they dont opperate. They are selling God, they have turned the Lord into a business. Religion Killed Christ. These people are hiding in plain sight. They are under the Judas covenant. Misleading millions. It is that broad.
oh he's like mr beast
Bible college=business school..
Again, Cody, you’ve been hurt by ‘Christians’…..if they are behaving that way, they are not truly showing the love of the Father.
Leave them….find Truth.
I’m probably the age of your mom, if you have recently been in Bible College.
Young man….leave that junk behind and find Yah just like King David, by yourself, through praise and study. You obviously have the Holy Spirit if you recognize the spirit of deception.
Interesting, obviously there must be something pathological about yourself to not only fall for it, but find yourself in a position of power within the cult. Can’t trust this guys intentions unfortunately flying so close to the devil.
Correlation is not causation. Victims are not perpetrators. This logic is truly faulty.
Government is also a cult, is everyone who votes therefore also pathological?
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@@Kunjesvari you're drawing a pretty black and white line between victim and perpetrator. The truth is always coloured in shades of gray.
@chrisdavidson5044 complicity and nescience you mean? You automatically categorized this person as untrustworthy because he was duped.
worship god, and you wont fear anything,
Thank you for sharing Richard 💛