She put this well. "A blueprint for the kind of things do when they're put under pressure." She said, I only put stuff in there that people have done. That's important to know when viewing her work.
If you don’t have time to watch this in it’s entirety, start at 06:30 She answers so many questions that are now more important than when this was filmed, 15 years ago. I’ve got chills!
I really enjoyed this video, thank you so much for posting it! I don't know much about her work, however Ms. Atwood sure does say a lot of intelligent things here. I admire both Bill Moyers and Margaret Atwood for discussing such an important and delicate subject such as "faith and reason" here. Personally, I believe in a higher power that is intelligent and good. I am an artist (some might debate me on that one!), and really feel that devoting a large part of one's life to creative endeavor surely is something of a daring sacrifice because there is often no money in it, and the creative person could starve (put simply!) I really have faith and find it reasonable to believe that every person does have some ability to create art, whether it be in the area of painting or drawing or writing or music or something else. I think it's so sad when people are 'beaten down' into believing that they have no artistic, creative talents, which could really enrich their lives, if they wanted to explore such and avenue. Going so deep into oneself, like Ms. Atwood must do as an author, or any good writer or artist for that matter, can often be something of a great risk, particularly when done "right" because the best work, I feel, comes from when we go the deepest within ourselves into unchartered territory. We might 'lose' ourselves a little, or maybe even a lot, but the rewards can be so great, for us, and, especially for those whom we may inspire. Again, thank you very much for posting this. It's so hard to find substantial shows on T.V. or anywhere else these days!
@@BillyBike416 Yeah, it seems like moral relativism is the quickest and easiest way for a society to spiral downwards. No type of government on earth is automatically immune from people abusing their power and making immoral decisions. To accuse a theocracy of being automatically worse than a democratic republic (as some people do), I think, is missing the point that both of those types of government can work well if people actually follow objective Truth. (and both of these governments can fail if people don't follow objective Truth). Also, if the beliefs that the theocracy is based on are wrong, well, obviously a theocracy based on those beliefs isn't going to help. And thus, we all need to be seeking objective Truth, which moral relativism detrimentally discourages (because objective Truth is Truth for EVERYONE, not just truth for oneself as moral relativists like to emphasize).
Two vibrant, expanding souls: Margaret Atwood and Bill Moyers. One translation of Yahweh claims to be "I am becoming that which I am becoming" and over the decades I have received much pleasure, guidance, and spirit from what Atwood and Moyers are becoming. (Down to earth, Part 1/3 has no sound while Part 2/3 and 3/3 are delightfully audible.) Thank you for offering this powerful conversation to us.
This horrific and we have to know it is not glorifying God at all. He is against this. His order for family does bring Him glory and abortion is never His idea. And yet we know He loves us with a never ending love and the practice described by Atwood is part of the worship of religion and the devil. God is not religious He is our creator and His Son is our savior and His Holy Spirit is our teacher and comforter. John 3:16
Her argument about how people will 'probably have to give up their freedoms in order to preserve them' This happened in Russia after the Russian Revolution. In the early stages there was direct workers control and the Bolsheviks persuaded them 'in order to defend the revolution' to give up their free and voluntary socialism for an authoritarian one. This has happened throughout history.
"The Handmaid`s Tail" is a work of sheer genius. I`m not a femanist nor am I a liberal. Atwood`s novel is one of the great dystopian novels of the 20th century.
Totalitarian governments must either destroy religion or attach themselves to it because it represents a authority higher than themselves. Notice in the US the more politicians that openly identify as deeply religious we have the more authoritarian we become. Religion is important but it should be left out of politics, Jimmy Carter was a great example to follow.
This women is brilliant, her words are thoughtfull and rational. How can anyone argue with this. I wish from the bottom of my heart that people wake up. I also wish that by the time the AVERAGE human does it wont be too late.
I too am amazed how Americans were not in an uproar over the Patriot Act. At least some Americans began to see their liberties being taking away by the time Obama started to really attempt doing so even moreso and got in an uproar then, but now some are blaming Trump who is trying to reinstate them and say instead that he is doing just the opposite.
If you liked Oryx & Crake, you should go out and grab her new book, The Year of the Flood, which is a successor to Oryx & Crake (well, same setting but it's told through a parallel perspective).
Brett Maine and neo-nazi pride is at an all time high. Blacks, latinos and all other non-white people are in real trouble from Trump's supporters. You people are crazy and dangerous!
What a book! I really have to remember to breathe; I realize then that it's Offred who's not breathing, I get a slight glimpse as to the mental terror of being in a room with nothing to do... Gives one a new perspective on what we have and what we may not have should Atwood, in this video, be right; that this country can easily be turned into a theocracy
Hey I love cute kittens as much as the next guy, but I don't know if that constitutes the greatest communications revolution in history ;-) P.S.: Kittens!
4:13 - 4:40 At the end she scoffs after mentioning people scapegoating "them liberals" before saying "whatever it may be". I think she does this to downplay the potential implication in her statement that no one else could be scapegoated -- and she brushes it under the rug somewhat; but please never forget, even if you feel the current "climate" is turning against you, NEVER FORGET that those in power have done this (scapegoated others, brutally and successfully) almost without fail throughout history. But if you remain wary of the hypocrisy inherent in blame, you can stop it -- just never forget.
although at 7.30ish Atwood says that she never quotes the New Testament in her novel, she does, on more than one occasion, most explicity on pg 89, where Offred quotes the Beatitudes. the Beatitudes have been altered by Offred because she is quoting the government which has altered the Bible to suit their own ends. but either way she quotes the New Testament, and I'm calling bullshit.
She talks about how a society like this can come about when cultures and societies come under stress, and people look for others to blame ... and then she herself blames. A lot of what she says here is spot on EXCEPT it is deceiving or misleading by way of omission and palter, and some are saying the cult in the series is Christian merely because of the use of some bible scripture taken out of context and the use of crosses, etc. There is nothing Christian about this cult in the series however. True Christianity believes in free will and individual choice, not totalitarianism. People can call themselves whatever they want but it doesn't mean that they are actually what they say there are (like the crusaders might of called themselves Christian but were they?). The term "Christian" seems to be a term used very loosely these days. Christian simply means follower of Christ. A mark of a true Christian is Love, and nothing like what is portrayed in the cult in this series that same refer to as Christianity.
You cannot deny that religions, Christianity included, have been vehicles for wretched things in history. I'm not personally religious (somewhere on the line betweem atheism - agnosticism) and I believe that it's not a personal belief in a higher power that is the problem, it's the belief in scripture that is the problem. Moreover, the people who believe that those stories must apply to all of society. For instance, the people who say "We are all god's children" or believe that others should convert to a religion, then that's where the authoritarianism peeks through. Those are dangerous people. Of course belief in a higher power is not a bad thing. It's people who want to control others with religion that is the bad thing.
As a writer though, she just intimidates me, and makes my lay down my pen in despair. I can't write anything worthy of comparison with her work, or intellect. So why bother? I'm depressed by my inadequacies.
Writing isn't a competition - I know what you mean, it's hard to see others' stylistic abilities and avoid measuring yourself up to them. You will never write an Atwood book, and she will never write a book the way you would. Ideas about quality comparison aside, just keep exploring notions - philosophical, political, et cetera - that drive you. Figure out what aspect or form of storytelling you like the most and develop! Just keep writing!
@loqutor shes not slandering christianity, she's criticizing the repercussions of religion as a whole, just look at what happens in the middle east due to religious beliefs. Christianity has recently been relatively tamed, but it's past is just as barbaric, think of the crusades, and the witch burnings. She's simply providing some warning to what could happen if religion became radicalized in the western world once again.
The Tanakh IS the old testament and Judaism has a strong emphasis on following the religious laws within them. Like going through a grocery list everyday. Jesus informed the heracies to get away from consuming oneself with the details of the laws in the old testament but to focus on ones faith in God because not believing in him and his son is the only unforgivable sin.
heh, "Really, you just cannot debate this type of crazy." Good stuff :-) It's hard to let outrageous b.s. go unresponded to on RUclips, but, the RUclips comments section really is the absolute gutter of discourse.
The Handsmaid tale is already true, alive and real. It's in the Middle East. People won't believe how Arab women are treated. If you're interested read 'Headscarfs and Hymens" by Mona Eltahawey.
Watching this 15 years after this was posted. She practically prophesied the arrival of Trumpism and the extreme right that has a choke-hold on US politics today. Truly shocking, and to quote her statement from The Handmaid's Tale, "History doesn't repeat, but it rhymes." This interview alone tells us why we should listen to women concerning the war in the religious right have against women. A basic fact, the right, health, and warefare of women dicate the health of any government. The 2022 Republican party has American not just in downfall, but in freefall.
Also, you accuse Islam of not protesting terrorism. My point, that flew straight over your head, was unless you have protested wrongs done by xtianity, when you have actually put yourself out there and signed petitions and marched against the injustice, then you really have no right to judge. But what's it to you? It's in other countries - therefore you don't care. Guess what? That's pretty much how they feel about us. Apathy exists in every religion.
At 7:34 Ms Atwood declares that the book never calls the totalitarian religion Christianity and in fact, all of the slogans in the society are from the Old Testament. Well, whether she ever labels the religion of the book with the word "Christianity" it is very evident that the religion represented is, in fact, derived from Christianity. when the heroine is given her handmaiden uniform, commenting on having the hair long and covered "St Paul says otherwise, you should shave your head" St Paul is not an OT figure. St Paul in fact is the author of most of the New Testament. Now, it doesn't bother me if Ms Atwood bases the blown up, over done, wrong headed religion in this book on Christianity. Really, it doesn't. But PLEASE don't lie about it, It is clear as a bell that Christianity is the religion on her mind in writing this book. And shame on the interviewer for not calling her on it.
kelman727 hmmm it's been a couple of years since I watched this video, so I don't remember what Ms Atwood says per se, but I'm puzzled...the church's image? Not sure what you mean?
You know, I don't recall the Puritans having reproductive concubines. I suppose a few must have had them on the side, since, you know, that always happens. But that's not what her book was about, was it?
Watching this in late 2021 is revelatory. Ms Atwood speaks of things changing "rapidly". She hits the nail squarely on the head.
She is so inspiring, when she speaks you want to listen.
She put this well. "A blueprint for the kind of things do when they're put under pressure." She said, I only put stuff in there that people have done. That's important to know when viewing her work.
If you don’t have time to watch this in it’s entirety, start at 06:30
She answers so many questions that are now more important than when this was filmed, 15 years ago. I’ve got chills!
Margaret Atwood a true Canadian treasure. We definitely are living in scary times currently.
I really enjoyed this video, thank you so much for posting it! I don't know much about her work, however Ms. Atwood sure does say a lot of intelligent things here. I admire both Bill Moyers and Margaret Atwood for discussing such an important and delicate subject such as "faith and reason" here. Personally, I believe in a higher power that is intelligent and good. I am an artist (some might debate me on that one!), and really feel that devoting a large part of one's life to creative endeavor surely is something of a daring sacrifice because there is often no money in it, and the creative person could starve (put simply!) I really have faith and find it reasonable to believe that every person does have some ability to create art, whether it be in the area of painting or drawing or writing or music or something else. I think it's so sad when people are 'beaten down' into believing that they have no artistic, creative talents, which could really enrich their lives, if they wanted to explore such and avenue. Going so deep into oneself, like Ms. Atwood must do as an author, or any good writer or artist for that matter, can often be something of a great risk, particularly when done "right" because the best work, I feel, comes from when we go the deepest within ourselves into unchartered territory. We might 'lose' ourselves a little, or maybe even a lot, but the rewards can be so great, for us, and, especially for those whom we may inspire. Again, thank you very much for posting this. It's so hard to find substantial shows on T.V. or anywhere else these days!
"What is needed for a really good tyranny is an unquestionable idea or authority." Truer words were never written.
What is needed for a really good tyranny is a society without absolutes so that Truth can be made up as we go along.
@@BillyBike416 Yeah, it seems like moral relativism is the quickest and easiest way for a society to spiral downwards. No type of government on earth is automatically immune from people abusing their power and making immoral decisions. To accuse a theocracy of being automatically worse than a democratic republic (as some people do), I think, is missing the point that both of those types of government can work well if people actually follow objective Truth. (and both of these governments can fail if people don't follow objective Truth).
Also, if the beliefs that the theocracy is based on are wrong, well, obviously a theocracy based on those beliefs isn't going to help. And thus, we all need to be seeking objective Truth, which moral relativism detrimentally discourages (because objective Truth is Truth for EVERYONE, not just truth for oneself as moral relativists like to emphasize).
And that happened with the Trump movement…as well as the QAnon movement. America is doomed if these people control and influence all policy.
"Wanna bet?"
Chilling...
"In order to preserve our freedoms we have to give them up for now." NSA anyone?
Agree
September 2019 and even more worth listening to.
Absolutely love Margaret Atwood; infact my dissertation was mainly focused on her novels and themes. Also, her voice is really soothing!
Two vibrant, expanding souls: Margaret Atwood and Bill Moyers. One translation of Yahweh claims to be "I am becoming that which I am becoming" and over the decades I have received much pleasure, guidance, and spirit from what Atwood and Moyers are becoming. (Down to earth, Part 1/3 has no sound while Part 2/3 and 3/3 are delightfully audible.) Thank you for offering this powerful conversation to us.
Welcome, I'm glad that I had the ability and opportunity to share it with everyone.
I am a Christian and a conservative and I think The Handmaids Tale should be read by everyone there are lessons for people on the left and the right!
Well said!
This horrific and we have to know it is not glorifying God at all. He is against this. His order for family does bring Him glory and abortion is never His idea. And yet we know He loves us with a never ending love and the practice described by Atwood is part of the worship of religion and the devil. God is not religious He is our creator and His Son is our savior and His Holy Spirit is our teacher and comforter. John 3:16
@@celestehofer6830Nobody cares about your imaginary and its inane need for humans to worship and adore it. What a pathetic idea.
@@celestehofer6830are you serious? The deity of the bible would love this kind of tyranny. He lives and kills for it.
Her argument about how people will 'probably have to give up their freedoms in order to preserve them' This happened in Russia after the Russian Revolution. In the early stages there was direct workers control and the Bolsheviks persuaded them 'in order to defend the revolution' to give up their free and voluntary socialism for an authoritarian one. This has happened throughout history.
Ms Atwood must of seen into the future because it sounds like right now 2021. She is very interesting to listen to.
"The Handmaid`s Tail" is a work of sheer genius. I`m not a femanist nor am I a liberal. Atwood`s novel is one of the great dystopian novels of the 20th century.
AGREED! as a woman she portrays the gender inequality ever presentits not about religion its about deep seeded beliefs of men rising to power ie trump
It’s a bunch of bull
Totalitarian governments must either destroy religion or attach themselves to it because it represents a authority higher than themselves. Notice in the US the more politicians that openly identify as deeply religious we have the more authoritarian we become. Religion is important but it should be left out of politics, Jimmy Carter was a great example to follow.
This women is brilliant, her words are thoughtfull and rational. How can anyone argue with this. I wish from the bottom of my heart that people wake up. I also wish that by the time the AVERAGE human does it wont be too late.
I too am amazed how Americans were not in an uproar over the Patriot Act. At least some Americans began to see their liberties being taking away by the time Obama started to really attempt doing so even moreso and got in an uproar then, but now some are blaming Trump who is trying to reinstate them and say instead that he is doing just the opposite.
seth h - How's he doing that exactly? Has he overturned the Patriot Act? He's never mentioned it.
Thank you very much for posting this entire interview! Gracias!
she just spoke at my school! It was amazing. She is absolutely brilliant and very charming as well.
Thank you so much Margaret Atwood!!
If you liked Oryx & Crake, you should go out and grab her new book, The Year of the Flood, which is a successor to Oryx & Crake (well, same setting but it's told through a parallel perspective).
This is spooky. I forgot how brilliant she is.
With this election, we are swiftly headed towards the time she speaks of here.
No we (our country) is not
slade tuner, you are in denial...
Whatever
Lol you hardcore paranoid liberals are hilarious. Look out he’s lowering unemployment, increasing wages and cutting taxes ahhhh, resist resist! He’s hitler! it’s so entertaining. #trumpderangementsyndrome
Brett Maine and neo-nazi pride is at an all time high. Blacks, latinos and all other non-white people are in real trouble from Trump's supporters. You people are crazy and dangerous!
wish she was my grandma
Same
June 24,2022 is a date that has changed me forever. Religion, power of the state, and hypocritical ways of the self Righteous. It's eerie.
She's coming to my book fair friday im so excited. XDXD shes a genius
I know it's 9 years later, but how was it? :)
You would say, “Report your neighbor if they have more than X # of ppl over for Thanksgiving.”
What a book! I really have to remember to breathe; I realize then that it's Offred who's not breathing, I get a slight glimpse as to the mental terror of being in a room with nothing to do...
Gives one a new perspective on what we have and what we may not have should Atwood, in this video, be right; that this country can easily be turned into a theocracy
Audio works fine for me... Idk if iPod makes a difference for that.
Wow, freaky listening to this in the age of trump. 6:51
I would love to see (or hear) this interview in its entirety. Anyone have a link they could share or something?
please give more info...Date of interview? and program? Interviewer name? Thankyou
July 28, 2006 broadcast of Bill Moyers: On Faith and Reason on PBS. The interviewer claims to be Bill Moyers but may in fact be Lou Ferrigno.
plautusbrassus LOL...
What's the name of the interviewer ?
as anyone seen, Heaven on Earth?? It's a movie she wrote--but I can't find it on here anywhere!!! Can someone please post it???
This woman is fascinating!
alhumdulillah 🤲 thank you
The sound isn't working for me either.
Audio doesn't work on my computer
I'm not getting any sound when I watch this!
What an incredibly insightful person.
That's in the movie. You should read the book!
Where's the sound? I can't hear anything!
Why did PBS disable comments for the original of this video? Freakin' PBS!
why is the sound not working?
Thanks for uploading this, I'm such an Atwood fan. She IS a little intimidating though, not sure I could hold my own in a conversation with her.
Was this interview conducted in 2006?
Hey I love cute kittens as much as the next guy, but I don't know if that constitutes the greatest communications revolution in history ;-)
P.S.: Kittens!
This has no audio. Is there a mirror video somewhere?
Does anyone know the name of the interview'r?
4:36
4:13 - 4:40 At the end she scoffs after mentioning people scapegoating "them liberals" before saying "whatever it may be". I think she does this to downplay the potential implication in her statement that no one else could be scapegoated -- and she brushes it under the rug somewhat; but please never forget, even if you feel the current "climate" is turning against you, NEVER FORGET that those in power have done this (scapegoated others, brutally and successfully) almost without fail throughout history. But if you remain wary of the hypocrisy inherent in blame, you can stop it -- just never forget.
is it just me or is there NO sound?
Alles komt terug ? Ik
shes so amazing
Is she though ?
her book is extremely powerful. and she is a very intelligent women
anyone know where this is originally from?
although at 7.30ish Atwood says that she never quotes the New Testament in her novel, she does, on more than one occasion, most explicity on pg 89, where Offred quotes the Beatitudes.
the Beatitudes have been altered by Offred because she is quoting the government which has altered the Bible to suit their own ends.
but either way she quotes the New Testament, and I'm calling bullshit.
Jesus h. christ she said she only quotes the OT
Margaret Atwood is so on point!
Thanks Margaret for your insights into Islam!!! What a fine canard to couch it in terms of Christianity.
She talks about how a society like this can come about when cultures and societies come under stress, and people look for others to blame ... and then she herself blames.
A lot of what she says here is spot on EXCEPT it is deceiving or misleading by way of omission and palter, and some are saying the cult in the series is Christian merely because of the use of some bible scripture taken out of context and the use of crosses, etc. There is nothing Christian about this cult in the series however. True Christianity believes in free will and individual choice, not totalitarianism. People can call themselves whatever they want but it doesn't mean that they are actually what they say there are (like the crusaders might of called themselves Christian but were they?). The term "Christian" seems to be a term used very loosely these days. Christian simply means follower of Christ. A mark of a true Christian is Love, and nothing like what is portrayed in the cult in this series that same refer to as Christianity.
You cannot deny that religions, Christianity included, have been vehicles for wretched things in history.
I'm not personally religious (somewhere on the line betweem atheism - agnosticism) and I believe that it's not a personal belief in a higher power that is the problem, it's the belief in scripture that is the problem. Moreover, the people who believe that those stories must apply to all of society. For instance, the people who say "We are all god's children" or believe that others should convert to a religion, then that's where the authoritarianism peeks through. Those are dangerous people.
Of course belief in a higher power is not a bad thing. It's people who want to control others with religion that is the bad thing.
As a writer though, she just intimidates me, and makes my lay down my pen in despair. I can't write anything worthy of comparison with her work, or intellect. So why bother? I'm depressed by my inadequacies.
"the trains will run on time..."
how many of us just want that comfort and security over the truth?
These things are happening here in southern Oregon I'm in Medford these things happened here it's the twenties almost too
Writing isn't a competition - I know what you mean, it's hard to see others' stylistic abilities and avoid measuring yourself up to them. You will never write an Atwood book, and she will never write a book the way you would. Ideas about quality comparison aside, just keep exploring notions - philosophical, political, et cetera - that drive you. Figure out what aspect or form of storytelling you like the most and develop!
Just keep writing!
@GirlWithBlondeHair I thought her name was Kate?
ok, try video.pbs.org/video/1383772819/ for the entire segment
@loqutor shes not slandering christianity, she's criticizing the repercussions of religion as a whole, just look at what happens in the middle east due to religious beliefs. Christianity has recently been relatively tamed, but it's past is just as barbaric, think of the crusades, and the witch burnings. She's simply providing some warning to what could happen if religion became radicalized in the western world once again.
I love her.
Cheers!
this is gold
The Tanakh IS the old testament and Judaism has a strong emphasis on following the religious laws within them. Like going through a grocery list everyday. Jesus informed the heracies to get away from consuming oneself with the details of the laws in the old testament but to focus on ones faith in God because not believing in him and his son is the only unforgivable sin.
She's brilliant.
Genius
Never mind that a majority of modern Christians do not adhere to any of the teachings or ideas you listed.
When she talks about this, this is what I see happening among the liberals and globalists.
You confused liberals and globalists with religious bigots and nazis kiddo
@VincentBrooke1 Thanks.
View in 240p for the audio. Meow.
This is so relevan right now!
Margaret Atwood is Noam Chomsky's female counter-ego
heh, "Really, you just cannot debate this type of crazy."
Good stuff :-) It's hard to let outrageous b.s. go unresponded to on RUclips, but, the RUclips comments section really is the absolute gutter of discourse.
brilliant mind
I thank it happen now but behind close doors it can ki
Like her i'm an agnostic and secular humanist.
UGH! i hated the ending i wish she'd told us what really happend to offred instead of leaving us on a cliff hanging there >:(
Ms. Atwood writes for the "sophisticated" mind, the intellect, the thinkers of society. Her books are too bookish for me, if you get my drift.
so relevant on politics today
The Handsmaid tale is already true, alive and real. It's in the Middle East. People won't believe how Arab women are treated. If you're interested read 'Headscarfs and Hymens" by Mona Eltahawey.
very true.
Watching this 15 years after this was posted. She practically prophesied the arrival of Trumpism and the extreme right that has a choke-hold on US politics today. Truly shocking, and to quote her statement from The Handmaid's Tale, "History doesn't repeat, but it rhymes." This interview alone tells us why we should listen to women concerning the war in the religious right have against women. A basic fact, the right, health, and warefare of women dicate the health of any government. The 2022 Republican party has American not just in downfall, but in freefall.
Also, you accuse Islam of not protesting terrorism.
My point, that flew straight over your head, was unless you have protested wrongs done by xtianity, when you have actually put yourself out there and signed petitions and marched against the injustice, then you really have no right to judge.
But what's it to you? It's in other countries - therefore you don't care. Guess what? That's pretty much how they feel about us.
Apathy exists in every religion.
Give up the freedom... 2020
She is cashing in on that bet.
how so?
At 7:34 Ms Atwood declares that the book never calls the totalitarian religion Christianity and in fact, all of the slogans in the society are from the Old Testament. Well, whether she ever labels the religion of the book with the word "Christianity" it is very evident that the religion represented is, in fact, derived from Christianity. when the heroine is given her handmaiden uniform, commenting on having the hair long and covered "St Paul says otherwise, you should shave your head"
St Paul is not an OT figure. St Paul in fact is the author of most of the New Testament.
Now, it doesn't bother me if Ms Atwood bases the blown up, over done, wrong headed religion in this book on Christianity. Really, it doesn't. But PLEASE don't lie about it, It is clear as a bell that Christianity is the religion on her mind in writing this book. And shame on the interviewer for not calling her on it.
HeidiSue60
Sounds like you're a little more bothered about the church's image then what Atwood is saying.
How telling.
kelman727 hmmm it's been a couple of years since I watched this video, so I don't remember what Ms Atwood says per se, but I'm puzzled...the church's image? Not sure what you mean?
kelamn727: It sounds like you are a little more bothered about the fact that Atwood has been caught in a lie than the lie itself.
Absolutely, but it seems more like an attack against Jewish history, culture and law.
she didn't say it wasn't based on Christianity but that gilied doesn't call itself Christian and that there dogma is based on the old testament.
yep
Who is here for Trump's 2nd term?
You know, I don't recall the Puritans having reproductive concubines. I suppose a few must have had them on the side, since, you know, that always happens. But that's not what her book was about, was it?