Foerster is not a good line coach. I see too many missed blocks, mishandled stunts, non blitzing rushers unaccounted for, and a lack of development at every position. No lineman plays above their talent when coached by Foerster.
Yup been saying for a while, at this point, only Trent William has played at a pro bowl level and he was already one when we traded for him. We spent a high draft pick on banks and mcglinchy and neither improved after the first couple season. We see that also with burford and we’re starting to see puni show some of the bad habits.
I think he's a good coach, but he's stuck with subpar talent. He just doesn't want to throw any of his guys under the bus, which is a good thing. But, if they head into next season with Brendel as the starting center, somebody is fucking up.
The issue is the Niners do not draft for pass blocking. He has to coach what he is given. And we all know how Kyle treats the Oline and his blocking schemes.
@@visu4239 It's a fair point that most of their O line draft picks seem to regress the longer they're on the team. I'm not sure whether it's just bad coaching or the rigors of the league that got to both Burford and Puni and made them regress. I wouldn't worry too much about Puni just yet, but it's a fair point.
They've drafted o-line early before look at Anthony Davis, Mike Iupati they need to address it or we're gonna have to continue working the offense around the weakest links
@googleisskynet7312 Kyle will demand to trade the 1st round pick for the washed up Kirk Cousins, or will draft an overrated RB. We've all seen this movie before!
@@JakeTheSnake500 Kyle has never used that high of a pick on a running back. He likes to waste 3rd round comp picks on running backs and kickers and awful tight ends and such. High 1st-round picks have gone almost exclusively to the D line in this regime.
@googleisskynet7312 I was being facetious, and I agree with you for the most part. But I'm still trying to forget about the Trey Lance picks, and a 1st rounders on Pretty Ricky, and Mike McGlinchey. But I think the one pick that we all agree to hate was trading Buckner for the Kinlaw pick.
The 9ers could have rebuilt part of the offensive line in last years draft…Frazier at Center…Mason McCormick at Guard ( both starting at Pittsburg )..and maybe Cooper Beebe (starting at Dallas)….but resigning Aiyuk, and drafting a WR at 31 was the ticket to success
Dom Puni is MUCH better than McCormick, the 2nd rounder Renardo Green is a fantastic corner and a excellent pick, and Frazier wasn't worth a 1st round pick. Stop playing armchair GM.
@@karlerikpaulsson88 saying Frazier wasn't/isn't worth a 1st round pick is nonsensical. Any player that stands to make you that much better in protection for your young qb is valuable and worth a 1st, even if the pundits only place a 2nd round grade on the guy and the position in general. I get it. He wasn't projected to go 1st round but In the 49ers' position last year picking at 31, they would have missed him if they waited until the end of the 2nd. Ideally they would have traded down into the 2nd round and used that trade down pick on Frazier and still take Green with their own 2nd rounder..don't know for sure but you'd think some team would've been looking to move up into the late first round to get an extra year on that rookie contract for some player. But the 9ers weren't looking to replace the center so all pretty much moot. Not drafting a high level center has cost them. I lost count of the number of times I saw Brendel steamrolled into Purdy's lap, collapsing the pocket. It was a big issue. So what value do you put on a position that stands to give your QB of the future the best chance to perform, let alone prevent him from getting injured before you invest millions in him. Taking all that into consideration, yeah, I certainly think a top tier, or close to it, center is worth a late 1st round pick. But back to Frazier. Reports around the league for some time now have said that Frasier has been so good that he's in the talk for offensive rookie of the year and he's definitely considered a lock at center for years to come in Pittsburgh. Larry called that one. Go back to the 2021 draft when they took Aaron Banks in the 2nd round while passing on Creed Humphrey, whom KC took at around 61. Banks is good but Humphrey is among the top centers in the league and hit the ground running his rookie season, 3rd in Offensive rookie of the year voting and been a pro bowler since, was even AP2 one year. I'm not a football offensive line scout or savant but I agree with Larry when he was saying that, especially at your interior oline positions, chances are a lot higher of getting a really good center or guard if they have a wrestling background, which both Humphrey and Frazier did. It's pretty simple. If you've wrestled at a high level, you understand how it translates to being an offensive lineman as you spend years training in using leverages to manhandle your opponent. Frazier and Humphrey weren't wrestling at light weights so it's even more of a factor in evaluating them at their size.
You do understand that Kyle does not start rookies unless he has to right? Puni would not be starting if not for injuries. Let that sink in for a minute.
With the huge contracts even average QBs are getting, it seems the key to winning is to identify, draft and develop young talent. While avoiding overpaying veterans. Im pretty sure that is not shanahans strong suit.
A team is only as strong as it's weakest link. Identify one person, coach, owner, player, etc. that you personally believe is the weakest link on this SF 49ers team. Ignore this season if you want and use the 2023 season if you can't make a conclusion. Who was the weakest link of the 2023 49ers?
Larry, Harris Barton was not the only offensive lineman drafted with a premium pick during McKittrick era. Conside Bubba Paris, Steve Wallace, Guy McIntyre, Jeff Bregel just to name a few drafted in 1st thru 3rd rounds.
I think Brendel hit his ceiling in 2022 using smarts and toughness, qualities that Forester prizes. Age and chronic knees have returned him to low to mediocre range in a system that cries for Center dominance in both pass and run plays. Killls your QB and over stresses the guards. It was evident in the preseason but his position coach had blinders on. “Sucks on Sundays” Brilliant comment
You’d think losing a Super Bowl because of the oline and 9 unblocked pressures with Chris jones getting to Brock in .5 seconds would make them realize they need to change their philosophy. Guess not
The 9ers don’t want to draft talent out the first round because there cheap they didn’t want to pay Buckner so they drafted Kinlaw so they try to find talent in the 4th and 5th rounds. They could of got Pearsall in the 3rd round
You are talking about the 80s but you need to change with the times. Plus if you want to make Prudy your Quarterback he needs everything to be almost perfect. Plus he needs his weapons to be all be healthy..
John Madden and Al Davis believed that one built a football team starting with the best offensive line and cornerbacks possible and then go from there. The Niners had the luxury of having Bob McKittrick, the best offensive line coach in the history of the NFL. Bob is no longer with us. Perhaps it’s time to draft and trade for a primo offensive line instead of swiss cheese, which is what we have. Holding is not blocking.
"We don't draft offensive line men high" but we wasted a 3rd on a kicker who can't make a kick.... smh maybe we need a kid to call the shots like at the jets🤣 at least he change it up lol
We all know shanahan has a hard time adjusting. I also think he has a hard time learning. He is stubborn to a fault about his system/scheme/ philosophy. He seems unable to adapt and definitely is unable to admit mistakes, Or even acknowledge them. The team went all in this year on keeping the team together for what was sure to be another SB appearance. That gamble lost. So next year they will pay Brock like a top 5 QB while paying other big names to leave and play for other teams. It's time to go back to the drawing board and rebuild the oline and dline. Let's see if they've learned from their many mistakes and draft appropriately. No more early RBs or WRs or KICKERS until the trenches are fixed. They are no longer adding finishing touches to a SB roster.
Idgaf tape don’t lie brendall is like the security guard that lets underage people into a 21 and over club. He ain’t blocking nothing. There’s RUclips clips about how bad he plays, Jake freaking brendall 🤦♂️. If the niners don’t upgrade a whole lot in the o line they are doomed!
Kyle still gonna draft a defensive lineman the guy can’t get out of his own way …. He’s the reason we can’t win the big one …. Get a better offensive line and you will finally get your 1st Super Bowl
The O line? OK Larry, who is responsible the draft selection/free agent acquisition of offensive linemen? That would be Kyle Shanahan. Shanahan has failed miserable at selecting personnel, whether it be offensive linemen, wide receivers, quarterbacks, and defensive lineman. So until Shanahan is relieved of personnel decisions, or fired, nothing will change. We will be having the same conversations next year at this time.
But they like jake brendel hes friends with the higher ups ..we cant let jake go even tho hes old slow and sucks 75% of the time...😂...our talent evaluation people suck if they cant move on...take a lesson from Bill Walsh
The Offensive line is bad 😔. That's why we lost 2 Super Bowl 🥣 in a row 😡😤😉💯💪🙏👍🏈.WTF is wrong with you guys ? Trent Williams is all the team got. 🏈👍💪💪😤😡... He's a goat 🐐 but I can't name the other Offensive linemen who try to block for Brock Purdy. Who are these guys ? 😯
Who has Foerster built up? Seems to me Puni is getting worse the more coaching he gets from Foerster.
Foerster is not a good line coach. I see too many missed blocks, mishandled stunts, non blitzing rushers unaccounted for, and a lack of development at every position. No lineman plays above their talent when coached by Foerster.
Yup been saying for a while, at this point, only Trent William has played at a pro bowl level and he was already one when we traded for him. We spent a high draft pick on banks and mcglinchy and neither improved after the first couple season. We see that also with burford and we’re starting to see puni show some of the bad habits.
I think he's a good coach, but he's stuck with subpar talent. He just doesn't want to throw any of his guys under the bus, which is a good thing. But, if they head into next season with Brendel as the starting center, somebody is fucking up.
The issue is the Niners do not draft for pass blocking. He has to coach what he is given. And we all know how Kyle treats the Oline and his blocking schemes.
@@visu4239
It's a fair point that most of their O line draft picks seem to regress the longer they're on the team. I'm not sure whether it's just bad coaching or the rigors of the league that got to both Burford and Puni and made them regress. I wouldn't worry too much about Puni just yet, but it's a fair point.
I see you got 16 👍🏻….it shows how many ‘faithful’ have no fu-in idea what the hell they’re talking about
They've drafted o-line early before look at Anthony Davis, Mike Iupati they need to address it or we're gonna have to continue working the offense around the weakest links
"THINK"?!? That has to be top priority!!!!
49ers pedigree in Drew Dalman. His dad, Chris Dalman, was a starting C/G for the 49ers in the mid to late 90’s.
And they both played at Stanford, I think.
@ that is correct
49ers could've had Drew Dalman coming out of college instead of drafting Trey Sermon. But that's Kyle's stupidity.
Bingo
The most important part of any Football team.And they neglect it.
I know right, how dare they overlook the kicker position…smh
We need a bad ass center more than anything
9ers could have selected Center Zach Frazier WVU with their 1st pick in ‘24
After using a first round pick on McGlinchey, they have been gun shy when it comes to drafting OL high. But now they must!
Let the scouts not Shanny draft from round 1 on
They won't. They'll take an edge rusher or a D tackle.
@googleisskynet7312 Kyle will demand to trade the 1st round pick for the washed up Kirk Cousins, or will draft an overrated RB. We've all seen this movie before!
@@JakeTheSnake500
Kyle has never used that high of a pick on a running back. He likes to waste 3rd round comp picks on running backs and kickers and awful tight ends and such. High 1st-round picks have gone almost exclusively to the D line in this regime.
@googleisskynet7312 I was being facetious, and I agree with you for the most part.
But I'm still trying to forget about the Trey Lance picks, and a 1st rounders on Pretty Ricky, and Mike McGlinchey.
But I think the one pick that we all agree to hate was trading Buckner for the Kinlaw pick.
Thank you guys. Play Tanner at QB, and the rest of the rookies. Where's Cowing ? Get open Ricky.
The 9ers could have rebuilt part of the offensive line in last years draft…Frazier at Center…Mason McCormick at Guard ( both starting at Pittsburg )..and maybe Cooper Beebe (starting at Dallas)….but resigning Aiyuk, and drafting a WR at 31 was the ticket to success
Dom Puni is MUCH better than McCormick, the 2nd rounder Renardo Green is a fantastic corner and a excellent pick, and Frazier wasn't worth a 1st round pick. Stop playing armchair GM.
Instead they got Pearsall 😂
@@Leeski916 he could be a bust, too soon to say for sure though.
@@karlerikpaulsson88 saying Frazier wasn't/isn't worth a 1st round pick is nonsensical. Any player that stands to make you that much better in protection for your young qb is valuable and worth a 1st, even if the pundits only place a 2nd round grade on the guy and the position in general. I get it. He wasn't projected to go 1st round but In the 49ers' position last year picking at 31, they would have missed him if they waited until the end of the 2nd. Ideally they would have traded down into the 2nd round and used that trade down pick on Frazier and still take Green with their own 2nd rounder..don't know for sure but you'd think some team would've been looking to move up into the late first round to get an extra year on that rookie contract for some player. But the 9ers weren't looking to replace the center so all pretty much moot. Not drafting a high level center has cost them. I lost count of the number of times I saw Brendel steamrolled into Purdy's lap, collapsing the pocket. It was a big issue. So what value do you put on a position that stands to give your QB of the future the best chance to perform, let alone prevent him from getting injured before you invest millions in him. Taking all that into consideration, yeah, I certainly think a top tier, or close to it, center is worth a late 1st round pick.
But back to Frazier. Reports around the league for some time now have said that Frasier has been so good that he's in the talk for offensive rookie of the year and he's definitely considered a lock at center for years to come in Pittsburgh. Larry called that one.
Go back to the 2021 draft when they took Aaron Banks in the 2nd round while passing on Creed Humphrey, whom KC took at around 61. Banks is good but Humphrey is among the top centers in the league and hit the ground running his rookie season, 3rd in Offensive rookie of the year voting and been a pro bowler since, was even AP2 one year. I'm not a football offensive line scout or savant but I agree with Larry when he was saying that, especially at your interior oline positions, chances are a lot higher of getting a really good center or guard if they have a wrestling background, which both Humphrey and Frazier did. It's pretty simple. If you've wrestled at a high level, you understand how it translates to being an offensive lineman as you spend years training in using leverages to manhandle your opponent. Frazier and Humphrey weren't wrestling at light weights so it's even more of a factor in evaluating them at their size.
You do understand that Kyle does not start rookies unless he has to right? Puni would not be starting if not for injuries. Let that sink in for a minute.
Get rid of the Oline coach. Have Trent retire. Use that money on a coupe of veteran players. Keep puni and cut everyone else
Why wouldn't ESPN flex out of this crap game on Monday night????
Not sure they can flex Monday night games.
With the huge contracts even average QBs are getting, it seems the key to winning is to identify, draft and develop young talent. While avoiding overpaying veterans. Im pretty sure that is not shanahans strong suit.
A team is only as strong as it's weakest link. Identify one person, coach, owner, player, etc. that you personally believe is the weakest link on this SF 49ers team. Ignore this season if you want and use the 2023 season if you can't make a conclusion. Who was the weakest link of the 2023 49ers?
Kyle Shanahan
Larry, Harris Barton was not the only offensive lineman drafted with a premium pick during McKittrick era. Conside Bubba Paris, Steve Wallace, Guy McIntyre, Jeff Bregel just to name a few drafted in 1st thru 3rd rounds.
I think Brendel hit his ceiling in 2022 using smarts and toughness, qualities that Forester prizes. Age and chronic knees have returned him to low to mediocre range in a system that cries for Center dominance in both pass and run plays. Killls your QB and over stresses the guards. It was evident in the preseason but his position coach had blinders on. “Sucks on Sundays” Brilliant comment
What happened to Nugent? Rather go with a young guy than an injured retread.
Larry. I’m watching you from India.
You’d think losing a Super Bowl because of the oline and 9 unblocked pressures with Chris jones getting to Brock in .5 seconds would make them realize they need to change their philosophy. Guess not
The 9ers don’t want to draft talent out the first round because there cheap they didn’t want to pay Buckner so they drafted Kinlaw so they try to find talent in the 4th and 5th rounds. They could of got Pearsall in the 3rd round
They had to pay Armstead which is why they let go of Buckner. They used the draft pick on Kinlaw, who was a beast in college but had knee issues.
You are talking about the 80s but you need to change with the times. Plus if you want to make Prudy your Quarterback he needs everything to be almost perfect. Plus he needs his weapons to be all be healthy..
John Madden and Al Davis believed that one built a football team starting with the best offensive line and cornerbacks possible and then go from there. The Niners had the luxury of having Bob McKittrick, the best offensive line coach in the history of the NFL. Bob is no longer with us. Perhaps it’s time to draft and trade for a primo offensive line instead of swiss cheese, which is what we have. Holding is not blocking.
Did you just say Al Davis drafted Oline first? There are MANY 1st rnd FAST wr's that would disagree with that statement, lol.
The new lineman are good. Let's see what they can do 😁. Stop wasting money 💰 and paying people who don't deserve the money 💰 in the first place 😡😤
"We don't draft offensive line men high" but we wasted a 3rd on a kicker who can't make a kick.... smh maybe we need a kid to call the shots like at the jets🤣 at least he change it up lol
We all know shanahan has a hard time adjusting. I also think he has a hard time learning. He is stubborn to a fault about his system/scheme/ philosophy. He seems unable to adapt and definitely is unable to admit mistakes, Or even acknowledge them. The team went all in this year on keeping the team together for what was sure to be another SB appearance. That gamble lost. So next year they will pay Brock like a top 5 QB while paying other big names to leave and play for other teams. It's time to go back to the drawing board and rebuild the oline and dline. Let's see if they've learned from their many mistakes and draft appropriately. No more early RBs or WRs or KICKERS until the trenches are fixed. They are no longer adding finishing touches to a SB roster.
The coaches are why we lose not the players 😡😤🏈💪👍😉.
What happened to Drake Nugent?
Idgaf tape don’t lie brendall is like the security guard that lets underage people into a 21 and over club. He ain’t blocking nothing. There’s RUclips clips about how bad he plays, Jake freaking brendall 🤦♂️. If the niners don’t upgrade a whole lot in the o line they are doomed!
Kyle still gonna draft a defensive lineman the guy can’t get out of his own way …. He’s the reason we can’t win the big one …. Get a better offensive line and you will finally get your 1st Super Bowl
Send out for some more soda to drink while your doing your segment or smoke a cigar....🙄
Get rid of Jake Brendel I've seen enough
Not taking the OL seriously will lead to more disappointment next year. Haven't won a SB in nearly 30yrs
Right on basically he suck’s trA lance are you kidding me come on sad
The O line? OK Larry, who is responsible the draft selection/free agent acquisition of offensive linemen? That would be Kyle Shanahan. Shanahan has failed miserable at selecting personnel, whether it be offensive linemen, wide receivers, quarterbacks, and defensive lineman. So until Shanahan is relieved of personnel decisions, or fired, nothing will change. We will be having the same conversations next year at this time.
But they like jake brendel hes friends with the higher ups ..we cant let jake go even tho hes old slow and sucks 75% of the time...😂...our talent evaluation people suck if they cant move on...take a lesson from Bill Walsh
The Offensive line is bad 😔. That's why we lost 2 Super Bowl 🥣 in a row 😡😤😉💯💪🙏👍🏈.WTF is wrong with you guys ? Trent Williams is all the team got. 🏈👍💪💪😤😡... He's a goat 🐐 but I can't name the other Offensive linemen who try to block for Brock Purdy. Who are these guys ? 😯
Brendal is garbage