BMW e46 Suspension UPGADE - Bilstein b4 Struts
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- Опубликовано: 3 ноя 2024
- In this video we will be upgrading my suspension on my BMW e46 330ci to Bilstein B4 struts. Note if your upgrade your suspension make sure you buy the correct struts. My car was equipped with sport suspension and I was unaware of it until installing these struts. B4 are not for cars with sport suspension!
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I've got the same wheels on my 330, but mine are completely disgusting compared to your pristine alloys. I spent the entire video looking at the wheels and now I'm definitely getting mine restored asap.
It’s well worth the price to have them powder coated!
DO NOT use lowering springs on the b4 they are not intended for that. It’ll cause the strut to sit in the middle of its travel. the valving inside the strut is not intended for that. Thus the strut will always be in a state of rebound which will cause a horribly bouncy ride. If you are going to use lowering springs get a strut meant for those springs if you want to maintain the ride quality. The technique for removing the strut from the knuckle is to drive a large wedge punch into the slot in the knuckle then grab the top of the rotor and push/pull it forward and backwards(in relation to you) or in and out(in relation to the vehicle) with a lot of force. Good video as always. Living that awd gap life now.🤣
so but i have a volvo 240 and the "idp lowing spring kit" has lowering springs paired w b4 touring shocks...
Just another piece of advice from someone who knows fuck all and just wants to hate, I've had B4s on a C2 VTS with the Eibach pro kit springs for 2 years now. Not one single issue.
can i use it with 330i ZHP springs?
b4 is for stock springs, b6 and up is for lowering springs
@@ADAMLFC92 exactly! I know people, running 40mm lowering springs, on standard shock, for so many years. Not one example, but so many. And nothing wrong with it.
Not sure if the sport suspension has anything to do with it, but like I said below, this was a big PITA job!! The trick was a lot of zip ties when the spring is compressed for getting the new ones on. A whole lot easier anyway.
How's it been with the B4's? How does it feel? Did your car lower in height? I have a 2 door 325ci, not sure if i should install sachs shocks or B4's..road use,no track days
Hi from Germany... I have a 323ci e46 and replaced my struts as well from Bilstein B4. They changed the height of the strut bearings a few years ago.. The new ones are about 0.4 inches higher than the old ones. I would recommend the strut bearings for the BMW Z4 3.0. They fit in the e46 only the pin in the strut bearing has to be removed. Or you buy the Eibach Pro Kit lowering springs with the part no E2067-140 if you have the 6 cylinder engine.
Part number for Z4 Strut bearings? I have 330ci, looking at doing eibach pro springs and Bilstien B4 (sport) shocks but dont know how low the car will go
@@BMWarrior1
From SACHS 802066 😎
The E46 tends to look deeper in the rear compared to the front this is an optical thing because the wheel house in the rear is smaller cut, if you like to have the car more even or maybe lower at the front here in Germany the most people buy a adjustable coil over. But if you like to have it cheaper you and only looks matter you can also use just lowering springs at front, but I don’t know how the driving experience then is.
@@mg4263 i currently have Bilstien PSS coilovers (check my channel for video) however in Australia roads are very rough and the ride is harsh/rough.
My car is 330ci, however i think with eibach prokit, Bilstein B4 (i will get B4 sport) and the Z4 3.0 top mounts, the front should sit nice with not too much wheel gap.
I also just got E46 set of style 32 which will replace my current wheels.
Much love, greetings from Australia :) thanks for your replies
Did you replace your struts with B4 or B4 Sport suspension version?
Do all coupes worldwide come with sport suspension standard?
I guarantee you the issue is the upper spring mounts. Measure from bottom of the bearing to the top of the flange on both the old and the new. Over an inch taller. I just did exact swap to b4 a couple months ago. Ended up using old spring mounts. Changing strut should not change ride height itself. The spring does that.
Like the metal perch where the spring sits on top?
No the lemforder part with the bearing mounted in rubber. Look closer at it. Posts on google confirm difference.
i have bilstein b6 with eibach pro lower springs on 2003 318ci . i can take big turns with 180km/h no problem at all . They are stiff tho !
I wasn't overly impressed with the Bilstein shocks, I found the ride harsh compared to the OEM Sachs shocks and after a couple of weeks I couldn't stand it any more and replaced the Bilsteins with Sachs shocks.
So if you want a comfortable ride, stick with Sachs shocks.
hey, so sachs are more softer on iregular roads?= who's more lower comparison with blistein?
Ahhhhh, I feel your pain of trying to get these things on and off the first time. I didn’t take my control arm off the spindle, but pushed down as hard as I could with a rod and pulled the rotor towards you. I also compressed the springs a little and as well used a crap ton of zip ties to hold the springs compression when putting them back on and cut them off one by one till there weren’t enough and each one slowly popped off. I know you already did the job, but maybe this will help someone else watching before doing the job.
Good vid. Try using a jack stand next tome through so you dont turn your hand into a pancake by accident.
Did u install the strut fully in the knuckle? I did the same job and didn't install it fully, thats why my car was sitting to high. I would recomend u to check out how deep it needs to go and see if it js fully seated in the knuckle.
Yes it’s fully in the knuckle
Absolutely LOVE those wheels!
Thank you when I bought them I had them powder coated then ceramic coated. Well worth the cost
Evan Goyuk what size and model are those?
Style 135 also known as the zhp rims. They are 18s
You have the disc brake facing the wrong side , changed and you going to see the difference
Where these the sport or standard version of the B4 struts? I’m thinking of getting the same version for my Audi A4, but I’m not sure whether to go for the sport B4s or standard B4s. I want a sporty feel but without compromising comfort and the damping. I know they say the B6s are more sporty, but also way above my budget. That brings me to the price comparison between the B4s sport and standard; the sports are about $90 cheaper than the standards, which is interesting! I’d imagine the sport ones be more expensive.
Also, are those rotors from Power Stop?
It’s the upper strut mount. The new ones aren’t the same as the old ones. Part numbers same but not the same part.
That’s not the issue
B6 are intended for lowering car, not B4's. BTW you never told us the most important part.... how was the ride quality afterwards?
Sorry that's not true. B8's are
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I personally wasn’t crazy about the bilstein shocks I thought it was a rough ride but it does give for really good handling. I went over to koni shocks and it’s so much better you can go hard or soft it has 3 settings so depending on what u like. Does handle as great but it’s more customizable to what you like. Although I drive a sedan so maybe bilsteins would be better on the convertible since it’s a more sporty car. Love the upgrades you have been doing car has come a long way!
Thanks man! I still have so much I want to do to this car!
Koni better than Bilstein? Lol...
@@garaza020 for me personally yes it could of been the ones I had they were pretty shot. I’m just giving my opinion on my experience
Old comment, but can you share which KONI shocks you bought? Thank you
@@max_rove I don’t honestly remember it was on ecs I don’t own the car anymore
I’m having the same problem with ride hight after installing new B4 sports. Don’t know if I should look for a set of lowering springs. Previously had Tein Advance adjustable dampers but they started leaking and decided to replace with Bilstein b4 but the gap up front is extremely unbearable 😢😢I’ve even thought of cutting the springs I have on
Hey, I just have a little question.
I have an E46 318Ci and I'm looking forward to swap it for a M54B30 engine.
I have Bilstein B4 on it right now, and if i wanted to swap my E46 is it necessary to change these dampers to something like B6's?
That's what I was thinking before, but after watching this video I'm not sure if I need to change them at all.
Maybe only stiffer springs will do the job perfectly?
You can keep the b4s and it will be fine
I also thought I have to remove the knuckle as mine wasn't coming out but I just pressed hard with my leg on it and the shock popped out.
Interesting we tried that
@@EvanGoyuk P. S mine had 2-3 finger gap between the wheel and the front fender on stock susspension.
Your car may have not came with the sports suspension.
@@EvanGoyuk True😅. Upgraded to mts technic coilovers. Pretty good quality for the price and the ride isn't rough at all.
Does your car have the factory sport/lowered suspension? My car does and when I installed the b4's, my car sat extremely high in the front, but perfectly fine in the rear.
I have factory standard suspension. The car will sit fine in the rear since the rear struts don’t dictate ride height
@@EvanGoyuk Oh okay
My F11installed B4，the front became higher than factory standar，the rear is ok，i don't know why
@@侯歪歪 Yeah, the b4's are like that, I ended up throwing my stock ones back on because they weren't really all that bad. If you ordered from FCO, send them back, they do 90 day returns
So I actually called Bilstein about this and they said the break in period is very long. It’s around 5,000 and they should drop a little bit down!
Waiting to put Bilstein B12 performance plus sportline on mine 🥰😎
It happened for me the aftermarket suspension is higher..i waste my money...i change it agin it was ugly😢
Tell me you got a jack stand off camera are you yoloing it
Did you ever figure out why it sat so high?
Wrong springs but they will settled
I have B4 sport on mine car sit fine front and rear like oem
How about the ride & handling vs the OEM?
@@HumbleBearcat I love them , there's like m sport OEM , but 15% more sporty : less body roll , more precise handling , but feel confortable too .
Hows the ride now? Reading all the other comments has me curious...
It rides better with no weird knocking. Car sits up too high now. However I really need to do my engine mounts now
@@EvanGoyuk New engine mounts made a world of difference on my e46
@@EvanGoyuk engine mounts are a good video for you to do. Also people haven't shown this trick yet. Makes it easy and no stress for you... Engine is slanted to the right, inline 6. So lifting/jacking the engine from the oil pan will tilt it to right, never giving you enough room to to take the right side mount off. Trick is to do the left mount first first, then bolt it down about half way, and lift then engine up again, and this pulls the tilt to the left rather than its natural lean to the right, so you will then be able to replace the right mount. Good luck
BTW - Don't buy an engine support bar. You can not control the engine leaning that way. Just use a jack under the oil pan. Simpler, more effective, and cheaper.
Thank you for this tip
That's not upgrading, it's upgrade if you use bilstein b6/b8, b4 is just a stock shock, b6/b8 is upgrading the performance of handling and b6 for the same ride height b8 is for lowering the ride heights
Do eibach sportline springs on it gives it a nice drop and 20mm front spacers and 15mm rear spacers
is the car on 18 inch wheels ????
Yes!
DON'T BUY LOWERING SPRINGS if you're using Bilstein B4 dampeners... Bilstein struts for BMW E46 have a really long strut shaft, compared to stock. They will raise your rise height, no matter the spring. After replacing brand new b4's with KYB Excell G using same spring, the ride height went back to normal... b6 have the same long strut shaft. Ground Control, I've read, doesn't like working with bilstein struts either because of the really long strut shaft, ang how it affects damping of springs. This makes most springs unsuitable for the intended dampening ranges these bilstein struts use. Springs must be longer to match the dampening range of the strut. So, if you must buy springs for the b4, only buy bilstein springs if you want the suspension to work as designed. But your car will sit higher.
If you decide to go ahead and put lowering springs on these b4, your car will ride bouncy, because the struts will always be in the middle/aggressive range of the dampeners. It will act as though it's always being compressed, ready to rebound. This will cause bouncy ride.
B8s will work as far as same ride height at OEM sport suspension, but are too strong/stiff for daily driving. The B8's only work well with racing springs, not even sport springs can keep up, even though the description will tell you they are meant for at least sport springs. They are not. They are meant for racing springs. I have personally run B8s on eibach pro kit and H&R Sport, and H&R race. Eibachs were too soft for the B8s. The H&Rs sports, which are slightly stiffer, handled the rebound better, but still bouncy and rebound too quickly. The H&R race spring was by far the best spring with the B8s. But it was super stiff. Not bouncy at all, but very stiff. Awesome on the track, terrible on daily driven cars.
It would be better for you, IMO, to get rid of the B4. Eat the cost as you'll never be happy with the ride height, and/or ride quality, and be chasing springs thinking they must be the problem, when It's the struts that are not matched.
To get stock replacement, KYB Excell G makes an exact replacement for the sport suspension, and are relatively inexpensive. Same as stock ride height, and stock ride quality. You'll be happy with these, and not have to screw around with springs. Also, Sachs(OEM BMW) are slightly more expensive than the KYBs, like $10-$20 more per. Using these will get you back into that BMW feel.
Moog makes an endlink that's a stock replacement, but is stronger looking, Thicker OD of the shaft. Also have a zerk/grease fitting for maintenance of the ball joint. Whenever you change the brakes, grease the endlinks up and they will outlast the car.
Thank you for this information. I have to redo my suspension lol
@@EvanGoyuk you not the only one would went this route. Lol
I had no idea my car had sport suspension! Someone helped me figured that out!
Correct me if I'm wrong but i think that all E46 coupes has S226a sport suapension settings or S338a MSPORT suspension.
According to car high after strut replacament, make sure that you put knuckle all the way on the strut.
It’s all the way in the knuckle. Please chime in fit that’s the case. When you check my vin I do not have s226a
E46 doesen t look so good without an M front bumper
I know need one bad!!
@@EvanGoyuk i like your car but it will look mutch better with a M front bumper in my opinion. 👍♥️
Yes it would, hopefully this summer I can make it happen!
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