Jesus, Wokeness, and Sexuality: A Conversation with Arielle Scarcella
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- Can a Christian professor and a lesbian RUclipsr have a civil conversation about issues that matter? The answer is YES. In this video, we discuss the identity of Jesus, Arielle's spiritual views, her critique of wokeness, religious liberty, and much more. Whether you are a Christian or not, you are going to find this civil conversation fascinating. Please consider sharing with a friend.
VIDEO mentioned in the discussion: "What Does the Bible Say about Homosexuality? Sean McDowell and Matthew Vines in Conversation" ( • What Does the Bible Sa... )
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Thanks so much for having me and opening up more conversations
Love ya Arielle!!
Great conversation, thanks for sharing your thoughts. I loved how you caught yourself making a definitive statement and corrected yourself and instead stated that maybe “you don’t know”. So refreshing to hear that level of humility. Thank you for your heart.
Thanks for coming on!
Thank you Arielle! You're a breathe of fresh air. Looking forward to those "more conversations!"
My beliefs align with Sean’s and I would love to have Arielle as a friend!
What a great conversation. I’m as conservative as they come. I’m a Christian first but this is how things should be. Civil conversation. People can agree to disagree and still be friends. God bless her.
Thanks Jolly!
@@SeanMcDowell iniquity won't be found in you unless you fall for the original sin.
Yes, I agree. 👍🏻 but I think we need to pray for her. 🙏🏻
@@flowerbombh4326 why?
@@dansaber4427 All people need prayer.
Excellent dialog. Both Sean and Arielle show a willingness to hear each-other out in a spirit of love. Anyone who watches this can learn how to disagree without being disagreeable.
You got it.
What the world needs now more than ever
What a great conversation! Thanks to both of you! As a former lesbian who chose transformative therapies. No one tried to convert me. I am now living in true Freedom of Christ the only Son of God.
How awesome for you Jenellel! God is great!
Even if you liked carpet still I wouldnt care 👍
@@wjrmyop And I wouldn’t care that you didn’t care. Only concerned about God’s design for my life and what he thinks. Thanks tho.
you said you were a former lesbian so are you now sexually attracted to men or are you just a non-practicing lesbian? not trying to be snarky i'd really like to know.
That's so sad.
I remember you from early yt, Arielle! Thank you for coming on Sean's channel. It's good to see civil conversations between two people who disagree; it seems like a lot of people aren't interested in having conversations like this. It was definitely interesting to hear your perspective. I hope some day you'll take another look at the gospels; really cool to hear you've read them before 🙂
And thanks Sean as always!
Yes! I agree. This was a breath of fresh air.
I came over from Arielle’s channel:) It was interesting to see as someone who used to think I was more conservative, but after watching more people like Arielle, found that I was more libertarian. I honestly wish some of my Christian family were as unconditionally loving as you. Thank you for the pleasant video❤️
Kiwi, sometimes our own family members are the hardest to get along with. There are many more Christians like Sean out here, and I hope you run into some. Hang in there. Love from SC.
There is nothing Christian about libertarianism
@@bruhmingo How so?
Beliefs are so carefully woven that it takes a conversational surgeon to understand their origins and create a climate where new thoughts & possibilities can be considered. Your respect & willingness to yield when your instincts may have wanted to challenge Arielle’s words is noteworthy Sean. Nice reminder of how listening is the greatest starting point and often the most effective intervention that goes unpracticed &unnoticed.
I would go as far as saying that everyone (regardless of beliefs) ought to start from the point of respecting others' views.
It should not be something that we have to fight for or legislate for.
I love how informal Arielle is. She’s not polished and professional, but it’s not like she’s being disrespectful or doesn’t care, it’s just who she is.
Sean, thank you so much for your interviews. I am learning so much in the way of patience. As I find myself , sometimes, chomping at the bit or answering questions to your guests, while you remain quiet and intently listening. Thank you for your example. It is encouraging.
Thanks Jeremy. I’m glad they’re helpful!
0:00 Introduction 1:28 Any questions?
2:18 Who is Ariel (online)?
“Living your truth”
4:05 Brooklyn Lesbian, talks about culture and politics, 700K Subscribers
5:14 Treatment of President Trump, “why don’t I like him?” 6:21 Controlled by Leftists “beating people up for having different beliefs.”
7:29 Finances, Job Following, “I don’t want you hanging out with them.”
9:03 Moderate Liberal
10:03 Criticizing Trans
“Once you go against the grain, you’re gonna be outcast forever.”
11:42 Redpilled Minorities booing Hillary Clinton
13:01 Concerns with Trans Movement
• Ignoring Biological markers of what makes a woman a woman
14:41 Women Vs Men in Sports
15:53 6,000 Differences in Physical Composition of Men and Women
• Trans Women taking down Women’s achievements by having Male advantages
18:15 “Hate isn’t the answer, but critique is.”
_Genders maintains Fairness of Competition_
20:02 I knew I felt unwelcome, so I distanced myself. I believe in Jesus, regardless if he was The Son of God, he was a highly spiritual person, concious that man is soul in a body. Heep of energy living a human experience.
22:50 The Present Exists, Past/Future exist not now but in the mind
24:14 Rising From The Dead May May not have happened, I like that he was a healer
25:57 Parents were fine with her being Lesbian 26:30 “why would God create you this way just to damn you?”
“That’s it. That’s what I need to hear.”
27:23 So, Scripturally….
The Fall -> Man Broken
Breaking manifests in different ways
Hearts turned away, needing to repent
29:01 “I don’t agree with what’s considered a sin, but It’s good that we’re treating everyone equally.”
“I can make my own religion up.”
30:42 Religion vs Legal Rights
Don’t impede on me
32:20 Homosexuals have been around since Rome
33:04 Freedom
Religious Baker - It’s an artistic expression of my beliefs.
1. 1 gay couple
2. 1 gay couple
3. Commission of Human Rights
36:52 Being treated the same vs Being treated as powerful
38:13 Jesus was a guy, “actually woke” “very sweet very smart very good natured”
Bible most popular book in the world
Leftists
1. Trying to control people
2. Abusive
43:19 Goal: More Self-Love
44:24 Read the Bible in elementary school, Dead Sea Scrolls
More and more spiritual
Take a little from each faith
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47:34 “At the core they’re hugely different”
48:34 Can we be friends?
“The line is drawn differently for everybody.”
50:22 What is Conversion Therapy?
51:57 Final question
• What do you say to someone who states they are Gay/Lesbian?
“I love you and we are going to work through this together.”
55:12 thanks for coming on
Thanks a lot
You’re awesome
What an awesome conversation. I wish more of us in the faith would approach conversations like this. Growing up in the church, I learned WWJD (what would Jesus do). Well, Sean McDowell, you are doing what Jesus would do. A true light of the world salt of the earth type of guy. Thank you for this content.
I’m so glad you enjoyed it!
I would like to see people have more honest, open and respectful conversations like this.
This was a great talk - thanks Arielle and Sean.
I'm so glad to see that not everyone is on that extreme left, which is getting rather toxic and stifling this kind of civil conversation - but that there are those are are willing to live and let live.
I'm Christian but if I see someone stumble and fall across the road, I'm not going to shout "are you gay?" before I cross over to help them.
As a Christian, I would defend your rights and dignity but I would also expect the other side to do the same for me.
And I think this is now the main problem; as Arielle says, it has swung too far to the left and that's what people need to step back from.
Dr. Sean, thanks for having Arielle Scarcella on. Her bluntness and perspective about how ostracized one becomes for just a small disagreement point in the LBGTQ+ community is perfectly explained.
I'm a conservative Christian and about as zealous as they get when it comes to the Christian faith. That's being said, I ABSOLUTELY 210% LOOOOOVED...this conversation that the Ariella and Sean - 2 people had on opposite side of the equation - were so civil to each other. I loved the fact that they didn't focus on what they didn't agree on, but found a lot of common ground and just went with it! It's showed the proper why to have a civil talk without judging, and personally - and I'm ashamed to admit - I needed this video because of the fact that I can be biased and prejudice toward the LGBTQ community. Not necessarily because what they do perse, but I feel like - and Arielle and Sean touch so much on this - that there is a HUGE double standard with people that are gay, not wanting to be judge for being the way they are, but, they are very quick to judge someone having a difference of opinion. I've lost a lot of friends and just recently was kick out of a Facebook group because of my beliefs in this issue. But I thank God in Heaven for Sean and Arielle doing this video together, because I think it will slow down the barrier that Satan has put up between conservatives and liberals, straight, or gay, and Christian and non-Christians. And Christians - especially myself - that are confused on how to have a civil conversation or even minister and share the Gospel with someone now can have an idea on how to do so. I have nothing but respect and Applause for the both of you. God Bless you and Ill be praying for the both of you in trying time of your opinions. Have a great day and God Bless the both of you again! ☺️♥️☺️♥️☺️
Incredible discussion! As a biblical Christian I found Arielle's perspective to be so insightful and thought-provoking. Her matter-of-fact way in telling it like it is ("nobody likes to talk about that but let's be honest" love it, lol) is so refreshing.
I've been realizing over the last five years that I am a libertarian as well, but have seen only recently just how many religiously diverse people hold a similar political stance. For instance, Arielle's reference to the woke movement being a new religion in itself kind of surprised me because it's what I have thought in my spiritual reflections on contemporary culture and political movements. Her differences in partnership with our agreements give me the courage to kindly tell it like it is if I'm ever asked about such topics ❤
Thank you, Sean, for bringing different people together to consider these subjects in civil discourse! It is a great ministry and a great gift!
This might just be one of my favorite interviews ever between two people with such different views. So civil & both of you were still loving & kind. Perfect representation of what Jesus calls us to be with others.
Perfect example of the conversations we have with non Christians everyday. She had a great heart and seems to give great charity to others. Although I may not believe in her "what", I wholeheartedly respect and believe in her "why"! I believe you modeled your conversation very well for all of us. Many times I wanted to interject and teach, but you didn't. You stayed gracious and left a welcoming window open for her or others to come and seek more as they come to have doubts and seek answers in their life. I think sometimes evangelizing is simply modeling core Christian values, and you did so wonderfully!
Thank you
As I listened to this conversation I literally put my hand ovee my mouth. I wanted to jump in, but remembered John 4
Sean, I'm grateful for your content, and appreciate the way you model conversation. For the last year or so I've benefited greatly from tuning in to the wide variety of topics that you pursue. I've found myself challenged on topics that I thought I was firm in, in the best way possible. It's opened my eyes to the value of true humility that can be achieved through listening/asking questions, and pursuing love and common ground amidst areas of life that can seem at the most of odds. Your videos have been a blessing for me, and just want to thank you and encourage you as you continue. May God continue to bless you and the impact that you're having.
Thanks Brad. That’s AWESOME!
@@SeanMcDowell conversion therapy is a form of sexual expression. Some people are Bible sexual.
Arielle and Sean, great discussion; at first I thought I’m not sure I want to watch this. I’m glad I did. Being a Christian I think I need to adjust my thinking a bit and add a touch of “Grace” we tend to talk so much about…thanks Arielle for opening my eyes to you’re side of the issue.
What a. Beautiful and open heart conversation. I love this ! I'm a believer and I want to learn how to have these conversations with not believers and still be loving. Arielle is such a warm a sweet spirit. God bless you ! Awesome dialog
That was a clinic to the church and to our society on how to have a thoughtful and respectful conversation with someone of a different view. You guys showed that friendship can flourish in disagreement. Thank You!
Amen!
Civil discourse is a superpower we've nearly forgotten how to use. Sean and Arielle did a great job helping us to remember!
"Good for you! Then don't get gay married" - I loved the candidness and bluntness of this comment! I could totally see myself being friends with Arielle 🥰
What a wonderful conversation. The genuineness and vulnerability is the way differences need to be discussed.
Sean. Your ability to speak, converse, respond and be winsome in approach is truly a gift. I love these!!
He's like his father, Josh McDowel.
My daughter 'came out' at age twelve and told me "Dad, i'm a lesbian." My immediate reaction was "No, you're not." Telling her that my love towards her hasn't changed is just air. Living life that shows her that my love for her hasn't changed IS Truth. I resisted the devil, he did flee (thank You Jesus). My daughter is a healthy, loved, hetero-sexual today. To say that 'gay' folk can't become straight is *extremely* harmful in my view; in *exactly* the same way as killing them for their 'deviance' would be.
Do you know how many gay men who can only function with their wives by thinking of the male anatomy? Guess what? They are still homosexual! Similarly, men in prison who can only function with another man by thinking of the female anatomy are still heterosexual! One may be able to change their behavior, but said behavior is not what defines one's sexuality, but, rather, the inward desire, or fundamental orientation itself, and that orientation is not chosen, neither is it a lifestyle. The reason that we never hear the term " heterosexual lifestyle " is because there is no need to categorize heterosexuality with such descriptively inherent connotative oversimplification in order to subconsciously justify contempt and hatred through subjective ( and, therefore, contextually unfair and invalid) comparison.
What a great conversation! I agree that Sean had the perfect response to the hypothetical “what would you say if your kid came out to you” question. I believe that’s how Jesus would have handled it. But I don’t hear enough of my fellow believers saying it. Excellent work Sean!
I don't want to come off harsh but I disagree. Jesus would have told the person to stop sinning. We see this with the adulteress in john 8, he doesn't condemn her to death but he does tell her to "go and sin no more". Maybe there is a time and place for this and it isnt as the person tells you... that is understandable I guess but to continue to pretend it is fine probably not ideal either.
Interesting question? I'd like to hear more of your opinions. I personally would say that he/she is free to make any decisions I will tell what his consequence and I will not support him. But my door will always be open whenever he will repent but for now my door will be closed to him/her.
Watched the whole interview! THANK YOU BOTH SEAN AND ARIELLE. Very informative and the honesty
so well needed to see and hear
Wow, never thought I'd see Arielle on here! I subscribe to her for her political takes, she's great.
You are SO gracious Sean. You're a great interviewer. Good on Arielle for being willing to be interviewed.
This conversation really surprised me and I pray that she feels more connected to the Christian community ♥️♥️♥️
Late to the party, but I appreciate your openness to have this conversation uncensored. These are real conversations that kids are having in school, and it does no one a favor for Christian adults to neglect discussing the reality of our culture, irrespective to worldview.
Scott has a very patient approach, which brings guards down which helps with being open and honest. This conversation was a great start, how ever now that she has stated her position, which ties more into new age, I would like him in the next interview to maybe politely press her on those stances.
That was a great conversation Arielle and Sean!! Well done!!!
Sean this is absolutely insane! I had just made a comment on a video where Ariel collabed with a RUclipsr named Daisy at CPAC. Where Daisy(not Ariel) made, in my opinion, a slightly unfair characterization of Christian Conservatives and thought to myself: "Man wouldn't it be great if someone like Ariel sat down and gotten into a more nuanced philosophical discussion with a theologian or an apologist?" Well pun intended, I guess my prayers were heard! Thank you so much both of you for having this conversation. Much love and God Bless✝️
I have listened to Daisy a few times, too. She has an important story to tell. I think Preston Sprinkle may have interviewed her.
She's missing the whole point of Jesus being crucified and rose from the dead. He died so we can be forgiven for the evil we do.
Thank you Sean for these conversations. Coming from my background, I find myself very sheltered within my circles and don't have much exposure to what sort of beliefs non-Christians hold. It's eye-opening to hear how some people see Jesus and how it's completely unmoored from scriptural portrayals.
Thanks for watching!
Great to meet you, Arielle, and to hear your story. Thank you both for sharing and modeling such respect and kindness.
Thank you for this if only more Christians were like this man, what a place this would be!
I loved this calm and respectful conversation - thanks to both of you.
Fills me with hope x
Last year with no place left to turn I prayed to God in repentance then begged for help with all my heart, "I was until then a lifelong Atheist."
I then had a dream of Jesus coming before God and he spoke of the Tabernacle in perfect context, "A word I didn't know existed because I've never read the bible", and the love I felt from Jesus was unlike anything I've ever felt before - A lifetime of joy every second - It brought me to sobbing and it changed my life forever.
I've had other miracles since, a few being a light turning on in answer to deeply needful prayer 6 times, seeing a orb of light hours before a major surgery, seeing an Angel in a dream the night my mother prayed for me to see one, "Without telling me", and so much more.
Know that God and Jesus ARE real and that they love us deeply.
Let go of your hatred and Imagine yourself holding the people who've hurt you. Tell them you love and forgive them and do your best to follow, "I've failed many times", the 10 commandments.
Sean & Arielle, Thanks for this video and an excellent discussion. Your mutual respect while having vastly different views was a great encouragement to me.
This is a great interview I pray Arielle will continue to ask questions about Jesus and resurrection! She seems very open minded. I pray the Lord have mercy and love for someone like her and maybe one day she will be used by our Lord for the glory of his kingdom!
"Please be merciful to this lesbian and don't send her to the pits of Hell. In Jesus name."
I pray she is encouraged to seek for truth even if it may contradict with her current view. May Lord touch her heart with his unconditional love! I pray that she sees how holy our Lord is and how much he wants to have a relationship with us! But sin is in a way for all of us and her included. Thank God he send Jesus to die on the cross to remove this barrier! I pray she is able to see it not through her own flesh but Gods Holy Spirit! Just like when Peter said you are son of God and Jesus said this was revealed to you not by man but by my father in heaven!! In Jesus name I pray for her!:)
@@azngurlrulz Can prayer turn the tides of fate?
@@Skibbidyboobop “Elijah was a man with a nature like ours, and he prayed fervently that it might not rain, and for three years and six months it did not rain on the earth. Then he prayed again, and heaven gave rain, and the earth bore its fruit.”
- James 5:17-18
@@azngurlrulz which quotes do you know to see as literal and which as prose?
Another great example of two people with some differences having a respectful conversation!
Such a great conversation. This is what we need in the world...respectful conversation.
Wow!! Arielle, so thankful to you agreeing to be on Sean's podcast and thank you Sean for being open to just the give and take that belongs to authentic conversation. I heard from Arielle first on Tim Pool's YT podcast. And as a long-time believer in Jesus but also being politically homeless myself so-to-speak, like the growing number of people who simply desire honest dialogue and permitting open-ended conclusions, even when you don't agree with the other sides position or beliefs....we can all have conversations like this learn from & about each other...and even how to love others better. My lens is always scripture and the teachings of the Apostles who knew Jeaua therein. But I can respect that others exercise their free will differently and all that's left is to confidently yet gently and respectfully do your best to persuade another to your side but leave room for that person to get there at their own pace...or not.
I love this interaction between the two of you... It is exactly what I hope to see more of.
I loved this!! Great conversation and respect for each other. We need more of this!! We need to listen more and speak less. I thought Arielle was so well spoken and honest. Praying for her ❤️
Scott you get the best people to interview I LOVE THIS SO MUCH!
I think you'll enjoy this one!
@@SeanMcDowell I guess you get called "Scott" all the time? lol
I wish our politicians could have dialogue like this.
Great conversation is so important to be had!!! I loved how civil and articulate this conversation was and I believe Jesus is not just a good teacher but actually has authority but I loved how much Arielle listened and shared her thoughts!!! well done !
I wish all of us could begin to approach these conversations more like you do Sean! Thank you for demonstrating what this can look like to reach across beliefs in love.
I’m glad you enjoyed it!
This was a great conversation. I’m very much a Christian conservative and it was nice to hear someone else’s opinion on different topics without any anger or hostility. Great video
I keep crying out asking for prayers because, I’m losing hope. I know our prayers are stronger together so please pray for me. I’m struggling to provide for my two autistic children since losing my job over not getting the vaccine. I have pre existing health condition (Lupus) My husband passed away three years ago, so I’m all alone. Both of my sons are non verbal so things are very difficult for me. I don’t know how we are going to make it. We are facing eviction, every month is a struggle. I’m so embarrassed of my situation. BUT NO MATTER WHAT I have Faith that God will provide! Amen! Praise Jesus.
The Lord is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and save them such as be of a contrite spirit. Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but the Lord deliverers him out of them all. He keeps all his bones; not one of them is broken.
(Psalm 34:18-20)
God bless you sister. I will be praying for you. Keep the faith, don’t give up. God is with you in the fire even when you don’t feel Him. The joy of the Lord is your strength. So even when you keep pressing on and glorifying God in your life, that gives God joy. And His joy is your strength. God bless you
Sorry to hear that.
Praying for you
Hey there, I read your comment and thought I would check in on you, it’s been three weeks since you left it. Are things any better? Were you able to find work? What field are you in? Thanks and God bless ❤️
As an ex-atheist I learned to ask God alone what Truth is after He saved my life one night:) After being in some new age things, God moved me out of it (in another experience:) then reading the New Testament I came away with how I would have liked to have lived then to know this Jesus but didn't know how that worked. Within a year the Lord showed me the Truth, I trusted Jesus, and I was born again. From there I've only learned more and more of the truth of the Bible. I hope Arielle will take another look for herself into it. Such a nice interview this was.
@Edward The Booble Yea that's a good question and something that will take a little detail. I was in depression for about a year, coming to a point where something had to change. Being an atheist (after being told we were nothing more than animals in evolutionary process at age 15) I was wondering what can be done. Therapy? Really, for two years to simply tell me what I already knew. "You're looking for Love, but it ain't down here." "Something told me "Why don't you call to God?" I answered "Because I don't believe in God?"... I thought it was strange myself, now I'm answering myself? :) But when I finally said three words "God Help me" Instantly the depression was lifted, and I actually felt something unseen leave. A spirit of some kind. That was my first encounter with the Living God. The depression never returned. From there I began seeking this One for the Truth. Many atheists have dismissed my encounter with something or another so I hesitate to share them. Funny for those who want "proof" I wonder if they actually want it.
I'm always heartened to see respectful disagreement between people across a divide and disappointed at the torrent of comments saying this very thing, which indicates how rare it is! I live in a tiny village where we have differing views on many things but we have to get along so are able to have conversations and actually discuss things that come up.
Thank you so much Sean and Arielle. I really appreciated this conversation and learned a lot from both of you.
Thank You both…. for conversing with Outstanding grace, honest character and civility! An excellent “ conversation”!
I really enjoyed the conversation. Well balanced and respectful on both sides. Thank you!
Arielle would actually be an interesting case study if she took a deep dive into Christian apologetics. She's a theist, seems to know just a bit about Catholics but not enough she was indoctrinated, and is totally open to the idea of Jesus tapping into a supernatural power. Pretty much as middle of the road as it gets.
Would be interesting to hear her views in a year, maybe check in with Sean again.
A ‘case study’ 😂. Oh dear. Perhaps you should study yourself, stop judging and be tolerant? Who do you think would be the bigger proponent of Christianity? Someone who lives in kindness and tolerance or someone who calls themselves a Christian but doesn’t live Christian values?
@@eileenmcchrystal8471 I don't really understand why the cynicism here. I worded my post so both sides might see the value in an opportunity like this. Yet I do agree with pretty much everything you said.
Study myself - I totally agree, and I try to reassess the evidence every time something new hits the table. But even I can admit I have an inherent bias I can't shake entirely. I was heavily indoctrinated in YEC and fed the dichotomy that you can either believe in Evolution or the Bible, not both. To this day I can't shake that mentality when trying to read Genesis 1-11. I'm totally open to miracles, but anecdotes won't help me believe. I have to verify miracles are even possible before taking any anecdotes seriously. But that's a me problem. That's my bias. Arielle doesn't seem to have that issue.
Stop judging - TOTALLY AGREE! Christians, stop judging unbelievers and instead just listen to what they have to say, you might learn something about yourself. Atheists, stop judging theists and calling their god belief "stupid", and listen and really try to understand their reasons, maybe you might learn something about yourself. Let grown adults live their lives and in the afterlife let God be the judge. Can we be friends?
Be tolerant - Absolutely for the same reasons as above!
Bigger proponent of Christianity (1) someone living in kindness and tolerance, or (2) self-proclaimed Christian not living Christian values -
We might have our first disagreement here. Living your life with kindness and tolerance doesn't make you a proponent of Christianity, it just makes you a Humanist. In all honesty 90% of Christian values line up with Humanist values, not to mention the other religions that promote kindness and tolerance.
At the end of the day, it's none of my business what you believe, but it is my business if you aren't kind or tolerant to me or other humans that share this beautiful planet with us. Sounds like this is what you are also promoting. Both sides need people like you Eileen. Whichever side of the fence you fall on, keep preaching your awesome ideas!
@@douglaswise6797 yes I totally agree that humanists & most religions have a lot in common. Atheists can also be fundamentalist, bigoted and sneering regarding people of faith . Bottom line if people of faith can’t prove that God dies e sits, atheists can’t prove that he doesn’t. Regarding miracles, wellll quantum physics may come into play here? Perhaps these things are just beyond our understanding? The physicists studying quantum physics freely admit they don’t understand. If particles can pop in and out of our reality, literally disappear & reappear. Photons can exist as waves and particles and quantum entanglement means that particles can react in tandem to each other, it makes my brain 🧠 itch 😂. Add in up to 11 possible dimensions. We are ignorant about all of this and who is to say miracles couldn’t be possible. I’m really enjoying this exchange of ideas. Thank you 🙏
@@eileenmcchrystal8471 well that word tolerance I have a problem with - and this is the problem that is coming up with the generation. We have wrongly equated Lovings someone with approving of/putting up with everything and they do.
I feel like tolerance is the problem...to tolerate means to unwillingly out up with. And we cant tolerate something unless we are first - whether conscious or unconsciously - conditioned against whatever matter it is. So why are you asking for Christian to be tolerant when your intolerant of intolerant Christians. Anyway....I just wanna put my 2¢ on the matter of tolerance that all lol
@@tamarstone4456 I’m not intolerant of intolerant Christian’s. I think they have a right to freedom of speech and to hold their views, in the vein of ‘turn the other cheek.’ I think intolerance isn’t the same as challenging someone’s view or debating a point. I feel that intolerance is about arrogance of perspective. It’s about never opening up to listening, understanding, empathising or having compassion for another’s situation. It seems that many in the US live with this philosophy?
Thanks to Sean and Arielle for having this conversation. We need more of it.
Thank you Sean for having this dialog. I have been blessed by your content ever since I "discovered" you through "Christ Revealed". I really admire you addressing the tough cultural issues of our time, which require both bravery and compassion. You excude the love and spirit of Christ.
Really like this type of conversation. It helps to model how to have conversation with others that have different views of life than myself
Wow! Great interview Sean. I hope that Jesus gives eyes to see to this young lady.
Interesting interview guys, you guys were very respectful of each other. Sean as always great allowing others to talk without interrupting.
Yes i loved his manners and poise in this interview
I have been a fan of Arielle for a while now. I am a Conservative Christian and obviously don't agree with her spiritual beliefs, but she is a down to earth nice person. 🙂
Arielle seems like such a cool and fun genuine person.♥️
I've been watching her off and on for a couple of years...I have been looking forward to this.😁
I really enjoyed listening to you both. I am Conservative Christian and I just loved seeing both of you be respectful and loving towards each other. I wish more of both groups would exhibit this behavior more.
It is so interesting that I share a similar mindset as hers. I also feel that as long as someone's belief isn't hurting another, then have at it and live the way you choose. Who am I to say you can't?
Sean, we just met briefly over the weekend, in person, in the parking lot of a club volleyball tournament.
Bruv, I meant to complete my thought: I so appreciate your deliberate intent to model what civil, heart felt discourse looks like when engaging in difficult or complicated conversations. From how welcoming your are, to your genuine curiosity, and desire to listen and understand; to sharing your position on certain issues without being verbally abusive or combative. Especially when those views are polar opposite of your guest. You are not off putting yet still clear in the distinctives of why you believe what you believe. You lead by example.
Thank you!
Thanks Byron. I remember chatting in the parking lot. I appreciate you watching and sharing your thoughts. Go Biola 🦅
I respect the dialog and the respect they had toward one another.
Such a great conversation and very interesting. Thanks for doing this interview.
I follow both of you! Thank you for this. I feel this is an area where the church has fallen horribly short. These exchanges of ideas soften the soil so God can do the work only He can do!
Amen
wow, so much of what Sean McDowell is doing is moving and inspiring. As a Christian I dreamt of talking to various groups of people but I couldn't do so much. It's always amazing to be tuning in to Sean's conversation with different guest. I am really challenged with the work you are doing. I've learned so much, looking forward to the upcoming events too. Keep rolling. Thank You Sean McDowell and Arielle Scarcella for the wonderful conversation.
I agree 100% that we must have civilised conversations even if we don’t agree this is what Jesus expect from us and this a how Christians should be, kind, loving. Here is Jesus showing compassion and understanding:
Matt 9:10
While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew's house, many tax collectors and "sinners" came and ate with him and his disciples. 11 When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, "Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and 'sinners'?"
12 On hearing this, Jesus said, "It is not healthy who need a doctor, but the sick.
Let us pray for her 🙏🏻
Your answer to her question at the end was perfect. You should turn that section of the video into a RUclips short
Sean, It would be great for you guys to talk more. This was an insightful conversation, I think.
I’m listening to this a year later, but thank you for the conversation.
@beckybates. Me too! But it is perfect timing My youngest son is struggling with gender issues. It is hard to watch
Some are complaining that Sean didn't share the gospel in this interview, but I would like to push back on this a little. Not on the importance of evangelism and sharing the gospel... I 100% agree that that should be the priority of all Christians. But it doesn't always look like what people seem to think. Someone (maybe Randy Newman, in one of his books?) once described it in terms of the alphabet. We can think of non-belief as a spectrum from A (actively and vehemently opposed to faith/the gospel) to Z (ready to give their life to Jesus this very minute). Sometimes a person can leap over half the alphabet in a short time, and those are always exciting and encouraging stories to hear! But it's not that way for everyone. Some might need to slowly work their way through each letter. Any time that we can help someone move up a few letters is evangelism and is doing the work God has called us to.
Personal testimonies and straightforward gospel presentations are wonderful tools, and God can use them to reach someone no matter where they fall on that alphabet scale. But sometimes helping someone move from A to B can simply look like showing them that not all Christians are terrible, hateful bigots. This can make them more receptive to conversations and even friendships with Christians in the future, which can then lead to more opportunities to hear the truth as well as potentially being more receptive to it. By interviewing Arielle in a respectful manner and choosing to spend more time listening than speaking, Sean is accomplishing a lot actually. He is displaying God's love to both her and her viewers, many of whom may have only had negative experiences with the church. He is possibly gaining new followers who will then hear more of the gospel message in other videos. And he is also giving us Christians an opportunity to hear different viewpoints, which will only better equip us in our own conversations with non-believers.
So the whole point of Christianity is to spread the gospel?! So it’s not to love others and represent Christianity by the way you live in generosity, respect, tolerance and live?
@@eileenmcchrystal8471 No, you're right that the whole point is to love. Jesus said the greatest commandment was to love God with all our heart, soul, mind, and body, and the second is to love our neighbor as ourselves. You're absolutely right that love is at the heart of all of it.
But if it's all true, the most loving thing we can possibly do for someone else is to share the gospel with them. God is the source of all goodness, light, joy, happiness, love... everything good in this world. And we get cut off from him by our sins (as Sean said- ALL of us get cut off, because of ALL of our sins, not just some people and certain things we don't agree with). God is so just that he can't just sweep all those sins under the rug and act like they never happened. But He's so loving that He doesn't want to just write us off either. So He made a way for us to be reconciled with Him.
I'm no better than anyone else, and I certainly don't deserve that kind of mercy. But He's given it anyway, not because I'm good (I'm not), but because HE is. So now that I've been reconciled with Him, I want others to be too! It's like we all have cancer and someone found the cure! I'm being healed, and now the most loving thing I could possibly do is to get out there and tell everyone! Everyone should have a chance to be healed too!
Of course, Jesus makes it clear that we aren't to stop there. Like you said, we are to show generosity and respect to everyone, and love them in word and deed. To do only one or the other rings false. If I really love someone, I'll want to show it in every way I can. But if I show love and tolerance and respect and all those good things, but never share the gospel with people, that would be like visiting a cancer patient in the hospital, bringing them gifts, sitting and listening to their fears and sorrows, but never mentioning, "Oh, by the way, someone found a cure for this so you could go home to your family. Did you want to check it out?" I should do both. But the latter part is by FAR the more important and effective way to love and care for them.
I'd be interested to know what your take on the subject is, if you'd like to share.
@@rbrainsop1 hi that was a nice response. I was brought up as a Catholic and went to a convent secondary school so heard a lot about God. The headteacher of our school left to join the Poor Clare’s order. So my take is; often human psychology dictates that when people become pressurised (by perhaps others sharing, shall we say over enthusiastically) they become defensive and retreat. I’m a believer in life of watch the actions not the words. The reason for this, well we have Catholics feeling their religion is the right on (N Ireland), the Jews - their religion is the right on. Muslims - their religion is the right one.The born again/evangelical Christian’s who feel to me (just mho) over exuberant in their need to reinforce their new belief. Most religions are also still misogynistic. Look at the failings in all of these organisations, the abuse, the hoarding of wealth. To me that’s not god it’s shameful and greedy. So my view is very simple live life with generosity of spirt & kindness, try not to judge (lol although my previous statements are a judgement based on fact), try to be tolerant and treat others with equity and respect. Also that kindness and generosity should be done quietly and with dignity for both parties. So organised religion not for me, babies having original sin & going to purgatory if they die, not for me. As far as god goes. I don’t believe in a personal god but I do feel there is something ‘other’ perhaps to do with quantum entanglement in the universe. Catholicism is funny, in that when I grew up everything was a sin. You look nice ‘vanity’, you have confidence in your skills ‘arrogance’, you are charitable you have too much personality and on it goes … this is why Catholics are wracked with guilt. Ahh so I don’t feel that God and some Christian teachings are necessary healthy. That was all a bit meandering wasn’t it 😂? I think the sermon on the mount gives a moral code and if it was given a ‘label’ in society it would be socialism. We are responsible for and obliged to take care of the vulnerable in society.
@@eileenmcchrystal8471 I agree with so much of what you've said! I do still believe that drawing people to God (evangelism) is the most important thing we can do, but what you said about pressuring people and causing them to put their defenses up is absolutely right. That's why I was pushing back against people who were complaining that Sean didn't share the gospel outright in this video. Sometimes we need to just love people in the ways that they will recognize as love, until they're ready to hear more.
You're also right that there are problems within organized religions. Unfortunately, this is a side effect of having people in them! 😂No matter how true, how good, and how beautiful something is, once you get people involved, we're going to mess it up. This is true for religions, political parties, and everything else that includes human beings! We'll get some wrong ideas (like, imo, the whole concept of babies going to purgatory, or even the existence of purgatory itself- I don't think either of those is biblical), we'll pursue even the right ideas in the wrong way, and some will try to use it all to their own advantage. I think the important thing is to try to find the actual truth behind all that stuff, and then do our best to follow that rather than letting the surface issues disillusion us and keep us from the underlying truth.
I'm curious about what you said about quantum entanglement. I'm not really sure what that is. If you have time, could you tell me a little about that, and why you believe that might be the case?
@@rbrainsop1 hello there. I hope you’re good? I will get back to you properly over the next couple of days. Sorry to be rude by not replying just a couple of busy days moving ponies to a different livery stables but hopefully all settled in now 😁. X
Fantastic discourse, this level of courtesy for those with differing opinions is exactly what is needed in these times. Great job to both speakers.
What a wonderful conversation. Great to learn about you both and hear both your opinions and views on things. Love you both ❤
Love this. I’m a conservative Christian & have been subscribed to Arielle’s channel for a long time. I have always enjoyed listening to opinions that are different than mine & to people who live much different lives than I do. I was taught thats how you learn & also that we must learn how to get along or at least live peacefully with lots of different people. Teachers used to teach us that was a fundamental part of being an American. I badly miss those days & miss hearing conversations like this.
Wow! Dr McDowell, you led that interview very well. I have a lot of respect for Arielle coming onto this channel, and speaking clearly and respectfully to you and your audience. James Ponak
She was really good. Open very honest and respectful. I think she has a big heart and wise mind with a strong mind
Thanks Sean and Arielle, I loved the video interview. As a christian with a similar conservative belief and doctron as Sean, I have a lesbian friend who 30yrs ago I had the can we be friends conversation?? Because of that conversation we have a deep love and respect for each other as humans. So much so- after loosing touch for 20yrs- when her sister became a christian my LGBT friend spent 6months trying to track me down just to tell me that her sister found the Lord.
That was so cool.
I grew up in AWANA watching Sean McDowell.
When I started watching RUclips in 2018, I began watching Blaire White who led me to Arielle scarcella.
I’d have to say I agree with Sean’s beliefs but I like the diverse opinions from Arielle and enjoy her delivery and RUclips personality. Thank you for this
Excellent guest, I agree with her pretty much across the board. My wife is transgender and we definitely don’t want extra rights for her. We just want people to let us live a peaceful loving life.
Thank you for yr conversation.l appreciated the respect n the ability 2look at both views in the way U did.thank U for your honesty n sharing
I came here from the atheist debate video, I'm a Christian, and Im very open about life in general, and I'm glad I found you're videos subscribed. very good content..
I admire you dr sean, you done great in this conversation. You are so open and very cool. I am hoping all christians should follow your example by not being judgemental.
All I have to say is this what biblical love looks like. I enjoyed the conversation and how each was genuinely interested in what the other person was saying. You both shared your beliefs and opinions without “attacking” each other. Thank you!
This should be continued… so lovely too see how Christ would love all His children & never leave a single one behind without searching in every way possible to bring them back to His amazing love & inheritance of ever lasting life! ❤
Saw you speak at Calvary Church in ABQ. Finally decided to check out your channel! I love discussions like this. I'm a fairly new Christian (5 years), so it wasn't long ago that I'd be having discussions like this with my Christian friends.
These are two very gifted communicators! I don't think there is anyone comparable to either of them that I am aware of.
I am Christian and along time follower of Arielle for along time. Thanks for getting together! I am definitely not a Trump supporter tho.
Haha, I hear you!
Great conversation. Really enjoyed listening to her and this interview. So encouraging to see people who disagree able to come together and have a respectful dialogue. And she seems very likeable. The only thing I would say to Arielle is that it is not scientifically proven that you can't change being gay. I have a close friend who was a lesbian and lived that life for 20+ years of her adult life. She chose on her own to get counseling and now she has been straight for over 15 years and says she has no temptation to go back to that life. There are many similar stories out there. If you WANT to change, it can happen. Forcing it on someone of course won't work. With gay men, often when they get counseling to deal with their issues with their fathers they end up going straight as a result of that healing, even though that wasn't the end goal. People can agree or disagree on this but just be open that it's at least a possibility.
Loved this show, both the differing views of life/religion Sean and Arielle shared AND the tone and genuine respect and caring you each showed for each other. I would love to see such a conversation take place between Eckart Tolle and Sean that covered his view of spirituality in contrast to Christian faith.
I’m so blessed by this woman in her consideration of your audience! I mean, stopping herself from saying “sh*t” & was apologetic, using the letter “F” to try not to offend, asking if it’s okay to use the word “penis”, etc. I mean, I personally don’t mind, because my convictions may not necessarily be hers, so I don’t hold her to my [Conservative Christian] standards. And, check it out, she’s willing to be thoughtful to the audience knowing certain words might offend. That’s wonderful about her!!
You are great at conversing with those who are wrong and still being fair to them, Sean! 😉