Hairlines on a coin "may" be indicative of a cleaning but it really all depends upon whether the hairline is incused. If it's incused then it's definitely cleaning. If it is NOT incused, then it's a part of the die polishing process. I have several Cameo Kennedy's that have the EXACT same hairlines which tells me the hairlines were on the die. It is important to have a strong database of coin hairlines to be able to make this determination.
I would have appreciated more info on the artificial toned area. I understand colors on naturally toned coins have a sequence and I read a really good analysis on the subject in the coin community forum by sunnywood.. (if memory serves me right). His collection of morgans is insane and many collectors know these morgans by the pedigree on the label sunnywood. I would have thought more would have gone into the science behind toning.
Icg almost usually over grades by at least a point or two but then you don’t pay NGC or PCGS prices for an ICG coin. Old Anacs holders were conservatively graded and from my experience, most of the time will cross at the same grade (well except for your Indian head) :-). As for the Indian, artificial color maybe however not seeing it in hand I could not tell if it was cleaned. It does not look it was actually “cleaned” I think Anacs got it right MS 63 RB. As you know because a lot of bad coins wound up in holders along with CAC making the grading companies grade more conservatively crossing Copper is a real crapshoot. I do really like those Morgans .
maybe i'm a bit naive, but rejecting cleaned coins seems a little strict. of course you should note that you think it has been cleaned (like with the filing), but a coin either has the detail for a grade or it doesn't.. if you find a coin by metal detector of course you will have to clean it some, eh? if you are going to have this rule you really should explicitly document your criteria and what is and isn't acceptable.
I agree with you about cleaning. The grading standards are about how much of the original coin and coin luster is present. Cleaning dirt and grease from a coin should not impact the grade a coin gets or even if it is graded. I have some old silver coins from the 1920s and 1930s that have good detail but are very dirty with all the low points filled in with grime. Why in the world should removing the grim to expose the coins detail make the coin ungradable?
It is my considered opinion that you guys have gone overboard with the "questionable color" stuff. Yes, the rainbow rings are questionable, but I have US Mint sets from the 1950s that have toned in a way which looks virtually identical to the 1947 and 1964 Washington quarter examples you showed in this video. Being in the original cardboard, with the original paper flaps, in the original envelopes, that material is going to react with the metals - and not always in an attractive way. But they literally came that way from the manufacturer! With the high costs and epic wait times to get coins graded, you penalize collectors for NOT cleaning their coins? THAT seems a little "questionable" to me. I thought it was all supposed to be about originality. Respectfully, I think you need to strive to do better in this regard, because when you're wrong, it's not like the collector gets their time or money back.
Wish I would have had more experience prior to sending my coin in. My coin didn’t get a grade because it was discoloring from being in an envelope for too many years (toned) to a golden color (received a 92). A Perfect 1910-S penny (when I got it) that I’ve had for 40 plus years. Waste of money in my opinion. $50.00 down the drain.
Oh yeah, I almost forgot, toned coins are based strictly upon the graders experience with the coin being graded since not all metal compositions will tone exactly the same way. 40% vs 90%. Copper vs Bronze. A 40% Silver coin will tone differently than a 90% Silver coin.
THANK you. I tried cleaning coins in seriosally tarnex silver cleaner and it stripped the copper/zinc penny's to appear to have the appearance of aluminum. I tried it with a quarter also...bad bad bad. I have not cleaned a COIN since. Dear sir....i must ask.is warm water and dawn dishsoap ok? And I truly mean to bathe it quick and towel dry it off .THANK you for bringing up the cleaning of our precious metals. Much appreciated ❤
@@margaretstoner4701 As was just mentioned in the video, abrasive cleaning causes hairlines and removes the original luster of the coin that was preserved beneath whatever you're cleaning off. So using a eraser will damage the coin by making those small scratches and whatnot, Soap is perfect for cleaning small debris off the coin, however when drying, blow drying will make sure you don't scratch the coin but if it's not really old just tap drying instead of rubbing should be fine, also Acetone removes all organic compounds from a coin and doesn't damage the metal so it's really good for conserving : )
I have a Lincoln wheat cent that was red, and someone put a fingerprint on it. I used a dip to remove the fingerprint, and it made the entire coin look like a brand new 2017 Lincoln cent. Does that take away from the value of the penny? Is it ruined now?
removing pvc residue is ok if it's done correctly. soak the coin in acetone, rinse it with fresh acetone, and let it air dry. If you rub it with anything it'll leave hairline scratches and be considered "cleaned"
@@BAlvn-yr6ej Everyone who says "money is the root of all evil" Just doesnt have any.... If it is the root of all evil, it would have to be the root of all good too
@@christisdale7964 or perhaps doesn't choose to really play that game... i'm not sure i understand your reasoning. money is a human construct that isn't necessarily required for life. i think good (such as compassion, love, beauty, etc.) comes from a deeper place beyond humans. animals aren't using money. plants aren't using money. and i seriously doubt any kind of diety or other "higher powers" would have need for it either. neither Jesus, nor Buddha wanted anything to do with it either, and there are many monks now that renounce all worldly things (which includes money)
@@BAlvn-yr6ej -thats all really good. But tell me this, how many people are being fed today by Buddha or Jesus? The point I was making has nothing to do with whether or not you choose to play the worldly game involving money and things. the point I was making was that if you choose to look for the good in people you will find the good in people and people with money are doing good things. Amazing things, all around the world.
People who dump artificially toned coins into the market are scumbags.
Hairlines on a coin "may" be indicative of a cleaning but it really all depends upon whether the hairline is incused. If it's incused then it's definitely cleaning. If it is NOT incused, then it's a part of the die polishing process.
I have several Cameo Kennedy's that have the EXACT same hairlines which tells me the hairlines were on the die.
It is important to have a strong database of coin hairlines to be able to make this determination.
I would have appreciated more info on the artificial toned area. I understand colors on naturally toned coins have a sequence and I read a really good analysis on the subject in the coin community forum by sunnywood.. (if memory serves me right). His collection of morgans is insane and many collectors know these morgans by the pedigree on the label sunnywood. I would have thought more would have gone into the science behind toning.
Icg almost usually over grades by at least a point or two but then you don’t pay NGC or PCGS prices for an ICG coin. Old Anacs holders were conservatively graded and from my experience, most of the time will cross at the same grade (well except for your Indian head) :-). As for the Indian, artificial color maybe however not seeing it in hand I could not tell if it was cleaned. It does not look it was actually “cleaned” I think Anacs got it right MS 63 RB. As you know because a lot of bad coins wound up in holders along with CAC making the grading companies grade more conservatively crossing Copper is a real crapshoot. I do really like those Morgans .
maybe i'm a bit naive, but rejecting cleaned coins seems a little strict. of course you should note that you think it has been cleaned (like with the filing), but a coin either has the detail for a grade or it doesn't..
if you find a coin by metal detector of course you will have to clean it some, eh? if you are going to have this rule you really should explicitly document your criteria and what is and isn't acceptable.
I agree with you about cleaning. The grading standards are about how much of the original coin and coin luster is present. Cleaning dirt and grease from a coin should not impact the grade a coin gets or even if it is graded. I have some old silver coins from the 1920s and 1930s that have good detail but are very dirty with all the low points filled in with grime. Why in the world should removing the grim to expose the coins detail make the coin ungradable?
Exactly!!! Wtf?!?
At 4:11, you said "request" instead of "reject"
It is my considered opinion that you guys have gone overboard with the "questionable color" stuff. Yes, the rainbow rings are questionable, but I have US Mint sets from the 1950s that have toned in a way which looks virtually identical to the 1947 and 1964 Washington quarter examples you showed in this video. Being in the original cardboard, with the original paper flaps, in the original envelopes, that material is going to react with the metals - and not always in an attractive way. But they literally came that way from the manufacturer! With the high costs and epic wait times to get coins graded, you penalize collectors for NOT cleaning their coins? THAT seems a little "questionable" to me. I thought it was all supposed to be about originality. Respectfully, I think you need to strive to do better in this regard, because when you're wrong, it's not like the collector gets their time or money back.
"which the experts at PCGS will request" in place of 'which the experts at PCGS will REJECT', listen and you will hear this error very clearly.
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Wish I would have had more experience prior to sending my coin in. My coin didn’t get a grade because it was discoloring from being in an envelope for too many years (toned) to a golden color (received a 92). A Perfect 1910-S penny (when I got it) that I’ve had for 40 plus years. Waste of money in my opinion. $50.00 down the drain.
Oh yeah, I almost forgot, toned coins are based strictly upon the graders experience with the coin being graded since not all metal compositions will tone exactly the same way. 40% vs 90%. Copper vs Bronze.
A 40% Silver coin will tone differently than a 90% Silver coin.
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The seated liberty at 7:53 is a beautiful coin. It kills me that this coin won't get graded because of a light wiping. No, it isn't my coin.
My granddad in 50s or 60s must have cleaned some of his coins and left rest for some reason, Ivar way he treasured them.
THANK you. I tried cleaning coins in seriosally tarnex silver cleaner and it stripped the copper/zinc penny's to appear to have the appearance of aluminum. I tried it with a quarter also...bad bad bad. I have not cleaned a COIN since. Dear sir....i must ask.is warm water and dawn dishsoap ok? And I truly mean to bathe it quick and towel dry it off .THANK you for bringing up the cleaning of our precious metals. Much appreciated ❤
A pencil eraser works perfectly 👌
THANK you. I honestly would have never thought of that.
@@margaretstoner4701 As was just mentioned in the video, abrasive cleaning causes hairlines and removes the original luster of the coin that was preserved beneath whatever you're cleaning off. So using a eraser will damage the coin by making those small scratches and whatnot, Soap is perfect for cleaning small debris off the coin, however when drying, blow drying will make sure you don't scratch the coin but if it's not really old just tap drying instead of rubbing should be fine, also Acetone removes all organic compounds from a coin and doesn't damage the metal so it's really good for conserving : )
@@thepixelleer8445 I don't clean coins
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am I correct in concluding that a coin with "questionable color" will have the number "92" on it? instead of saying "questionable color" on the slab.
Every coin I have had come back Questionable color said, "PCGS GENUINE Questionable Color!.
I have a Lincoln wheat cent that was red, and someone put a fingerprint on it. I used a dip to remove the fingerprint, and it made the entire coin look like a brand new 2017 Lincoln cent. Does that take away from the value of the penny? Is it ruined now?
Paul Hamann probably, your coin is dipped...
What do you mean mounted? Is that the same thing as slabed?
Mounted in jewelry
Really informative video. Thanks!
Is removing PVC tarnish okay
removing pvc residue is ok if it's done correctly. soak the coin in acetone, rinse it with fresh acetone, and let it air dry. If you rub it with anything it'll leave hairline scratches and be considered "cleaned"
Coins shavers, how disgusting, such an all around lack of respect in a number of ways.
All the people that did that are dead lol
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@@BAlvn-yr6ej Everyone who says "money is the root of all evil" Just doesnt have any.... If it is the root of all evil, it would have to be the root of all good too
@@christisdale7964 or perhaps doesn't choose to really play that game... i'm not sure i understand your reasoning. money is a human construct that isn't necessarily required for life. i think good (such as compassion, love, beauty, etc.) comes from a deeper place beyond humans. animals aren't using money. plants aren't using money. and i seriously doubt any kind of diety or other "higher powers" would have need for it either. neither Jesus, nor Buddha wanted anything to do with it either, and there are many monks now that renounce all worldly things (which includes money)
@@BAlvn-yr6ej -thats all really good. But tell me this, how many people are being fed today by Buddha or Jesus? The point I was making has nothing to do with whether or not you choose to play the worldly game involving money and things. the point I was making was that if you choose to look for the good in people you will find the good in people and people with money are doing good things. Amazing things, all around the world.