Gustav Holst - The Hymn of Jesus (1917)

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  • Опубликовано: 14 июн 2024
  • Composer: Gustav Theodore Holst (September 21, 1874 - May 25, 1934)
    Chorus: London Symphony Chorus
    Orchestra: London Symphony Orchestra conducted by Richard Hickox
    Prelude
    00:00 Introduction
    02:45 Chant
    The Hymn
    05:47 Glory to thee
    08:09 Fain would I...
    10:09 Dance
    12:20 To you who...
    13:55 Divine ye...
    15:02 Chant
    16:40 Beholding what I suffer
    18:23 Rest on me
    20:12 Ending (Glory to thee reprise)
    I usually don't make personal comments, but the Dance is one of the best pieces of music I know.
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Комментарии • 134

  • @Cmaj7
    @Cmaj7  4 года назад +27

    Prelude
    00:01 Introduction
    02:45 Chant
    The Hymn
    05:47 Glory to thee
    08:09 Fain would I...
    10:09 Dance
    12:20 To you who...
    13:55 Divine ye...
    15:02 Chant
    16:40 Beholding what I suffer
    18:23 Rest on me
    20:12 Ending (Glory to thee reprise)

  • @iangowers9514
    @iangowers9514 5 лет назад +56

    If this is what the music in heaven is like, then we all have a great deal to look forward to. God bless Gustav for showing us the way.

    • @Churchcantor
      @Churchcantor 2 года назад +2

      Where it is to be hoped there is music, but no more sad partings...Felix Mendelssohn.

  • @Hailstormand
    @Hailstormand 7 лет назад +173

    Ha! Holst was right. He did write better music than the Planets.

  • @sibellegrise7036
    @sibellegrise7036 7 лет назад +93

    The opening chant (in the trombone section) is directly based off "Pange lingua gloriosi", a Gregorian hymn sung on Holy Thursday in the Catholic Church.

  • @vincentandrews301
    @vincentandrews301 5 лет назад +24

    Very underrated. By far the best Holst piece I've ever heard.

  • @hoffy63
    @hoffy63 3 года назад +29

    Having had the utter joy of performing this piece twice I can honestly say it is one of my favourite choral/orchestral works. A wonderful recording.

    • @artdanks4846
      @artdanks4846 2 года назад +2

      I can see why! This is the first time I've ever even HEARD this piece, and have totally fallen in love with it! I'm a singer as well, and have sung a LOT of wonderful choral works, but am so sorry that this work is sooo UNDER-done and not as well known! I would have loved to sing this, but now at age 66, not very likely. Thank God for You Tube, and for those people that post this kind of wonderful music!

    • @jimslancio
      @jimslancio 8 месяцев назад

      I envy you. I've never sung it, or even heard it live.

    • @hoffy63
      @hoffy63 8 месяцев назад

      @@jimslancio I know I am very fortunate because it is rarely performed.

    • @lukestalley9204
      @lukestalley9204 27 дней назад

      There will be a performance of it (among other works) on the 21st June 2024 at 7pm in Canterbury Cathedral by the LMP and Canterbury Choral society. So it is performed! Just not often.

    • @hoffy63
      @hoffy63 27 дней назад

      Just two days after I leave the UK!! 😢

  • @bb8319
    @bb8319 4 года назад +12

    THANK you for posting this - when our college choir director had us prepare and perform this miraculous piece in1974, I had no idea of the lifetime GIFT he had planted in my heart. Now, YOU have relit a fire in me for not only this masterwork - something that Holst heard in his mind, which was given to him from him, from the glorious unseen world - but also for something that the God of Love and Suffering and JOY wants to use ME to create, as well....

  • @OrthodoxChristianMusicProject
    @OrthodoxChristianMusicProject Год назад +2

    Nice Catholic Eucharistic adoration hymn as the introductory motif! I only learned of this piece recently and I’m so glad I found it. Thank you for posting this!

    • @heddwyn3914
      @heddwyn3914 Год назад

      The reference is however Gnostic, from the Acts of John.

  • @CH3CH2OCH2CH3net
    @CH3CH2OCH2CH3net 2 года назад +3

    Anyone who thinks Holst lost his "edge" after composing The Planets really needs to listen to this piece, which is every bit as radical as The Planets.
    This is, in every way, one of Holst's truly *great* compositions.

  • @JoaoFurtadoCoelho777
    @JoaoFurtadoCoelho777 7 лет назад +16

    Thank you so much for the upload. It's really good when one can have the music sheets in front of one's eyes... As to the actual performance, I knew it before... and find it very good... It seems the English will be the last to "discover" Holst -:)) Shared on Google+

    • @thehilligan
      @thehilligan 3 года назад

      we do know about Holst. The Holst Museum is a few miles from me, in Cheltenham, where he was born. There is a statue of him in the park at Montpellier. He wrote the tune to "In the Bleak Midwinter" down the road, in Cranham..which is why the tune is called Cranham. The cottage where he stayed is called Midwinter Cottage, and is opposite the pub. There is now a "Holst Walk" nearby

    • @thehilligan
      @thehilligan 3 года назад

      One of his first pieces was called Lansdown Castle, named after a building in that part of Cheltenham

  • @martin1024
    @martin1024 6 лет назад +21

    It may be the orchestration,but the ending is mysterious like Neptune (a bit). But this piece is abolutely great, reminds me on Bruckners 'Te deum'. I didn't know Holst wrote something like this and I'm delightfully surprised by it.

  • @Diamonddogusa
    @Diamonddogusa 3 года назад +2

    It has taken me repeated listenings to get a grasp on this. I find it more rewarding each time.

  • @markrubin9449
    @markrubin9449 3 года назад +6

    I'm probably one of very few singers who have ever performed in this music. I'd love to do it again.

    • @sueklausshow
      @sueklausshow 3 года назад

      I have yet to get the chance, it never came up when I was in Indianapolis Symphonic Choir.

    • @carlpean8626
      @carlpean8626 Год назад

      I did this in high school

  • @splodinatekabloominate846
    @splodinatekabloominate846 5 лет назад +11

    I jumped out of my chair at rehearsal 3

  • @philipelwell4214
    @philipelwell4214 3 года назад +3

    Holst the great mystic master. He's definitely singing relentlessly up there now I would imagine!

  • @DaveDexterMusic
    @DaveDexterMusic 4 года назад +49

    "If this cannot be managed, the melody is to be played on the horns." Yeah, trombones. Get your shit together.

  • @mikehorton6225
    @mikehorton6225 7 лет назад +3

    What a truly marvelous piece of music. Thank you for sharing.

  • @AdamMusicWorld
    @AdamMusicWorld 3 года назад +4

    During the quarantine I decided to learn trombone as a secondary instrument just for fun. The intro to this piece was one of the first tunes I learned how to play! Too bad I was alone in a small room rather than in a giant ancient temple surrounded by other trombone players. Oh well lol. Thanks for the upload!

  • @jochanaan58
    @jochanaan58 2 года назад +1

    Great to see the score to this masterwork.

  • @daniellennon9993
    @daniellennon9993 7 лет назад +32

    Wow. Holst really liked polytonality.

  • @alejandrom.4680
    @alejandrom.4680 4 года назад +4

    Magnificent piece of music. God must be crying at it.

  • @grumble2009
    @grumble2009 4 года назад +16

    20:00 where did that tone cluster come from? Love it.

  • @jsaavedr1
    @jsaavedr1 5 лет назад +3

    Absolutely beautiful piece! Man, I love the Horns in this. Holst really loved writing for us Hornists.

    • @Apfelstrudl
      @Apfelstrudl 4 года назад

      And Hollywood carried it over quite well.

    • @carlpean8626
      @carlpean8626 Год назад

      Yes, he was a trombonist!

  • @angelalfonsorojasquiroz5936
    @angelalfonsorojasquiroz5936 7 лет назад +7

    Para mi gusto, uno de los Dos mas Grandes Místicos y Espirituales de la Música Inglesa, junto a Vaughan Williams,gracias por esta profunda y maravillosa obra.

  • @thekingoface8338
    @thekingoface8338 5 лет назад +2

    Love when the organ kicks in at 11:23!

    • @Apfelstrudl
      @Apfelstrudl 4 года назад

      When you are at the cinema for a Hollywood movie and boom..

  • @Choristenimes
    @Choristenimes 5 лет назад +2

    Magnifique musique ! Subtil mélange de grégorien et de modernité...Et dire que je ne connaissais pas ! :)

  • @aaronhernandez5625
    @aaronhernandez5625 7 лет назад +4

    absolutely gorgeous

  • @Apfelstrudl
    @Apfelstrudl 4 года назад +9

    12:29 onwards: Everytime the two choirs go a halfstep apart is just sexy.

  • @raleighkathman214
    @raleighkathman214 7 лет назад +2

    Wow, none of the versions I've ever heard have included the Prelude movement. Absolutely beautiful.

    • @johnopalko5223
      @johnopalko5223 5 месяцев назад

      The recording by the London Symphony Chorus & St. Paul's Cathedral Choir with the London Philharmonic Orchestra, conducted by Sir Charles Groves, Angel S-37455, includes the Prelude. It's a 1978 LP that's compatible with both stereo and quadraphonic equipment.

  • @jlapierremusic
    @jlapierremusic 4 года назад +2

    The footnote at the bottom of the first page at 0:03 is Holst at his sassiest

  • @gregoryborton6598
    @gregoryborton6598 2 года назад

    I love the dig on the trombone part at the start. "Do it exactly like I say, or don't do it at all".

    • @eklipsoverda
      @eklipsoverda Год назад

      He was a trombonist himself, you know. He knew what he was saying.

  • @daniloberaldo570
    @daniloberaldo570 3 года назад

    Thanks so much for this sacred music!

  • @jpaparozzi
    @jpaparozzi 6 лет назад +39

    You may enjoy the lyrics to this beautiful Hymn of Jesus:
    HYMN
    Glory to thee, Father!
    Glory to thee, Word!
    Glory to thee, O Grace!
    Glory to thee, Holy Spirit!
    Glory to thy Glory!
    We praise thee, O Father;
    We give thanks to thee, O shadowless light!
    Amen.
    Fain would I be saved: And fain would I save.
    Fain would I be released: And fain would I release.
    Fain would I be pierced: And fain would I pierce.
    Fain would I be borne: Fain would I bear.
    Fain would I eat: Fain would I be eaten.
    Fain would I hearken: Fain would I be heard.
    Fain would I be cleansed. Fain would I cleanse.
    I am Mind of all.
    Fain would I be known.
    Amen.
    Divine Grace is dancing: Fain would I pipe for you.
    Dance ye all!
    Fain would I lament: Mourn ye all!
    Amen.
    The Heav'nly Spheres make music for us;
    The Holy Twelve dance with us;
    All things join in the dance!
    Ye who dance not, know not what we are knowing.
    Fain would I flee: And fain would I remain.
    Fain would I be ordered: And fain would I set in order.
    Fain would I be infolded: Fain would I infold.
    I have no home: In all I am dwelling.
    I have no resting place: I have the earth.
    I have no temple: And I have Heav'n.
    To you who gaze, a lamp am I: To you that know, a mirror.
    To you who knock, a door am I:
    To you who fare, the way. Amen.
    Give ye heed unto my dancing:
    In me who speak, behold yourselves;
    And beholding what I do, keep silence on my mysteries.
    Divine ye in dancing what I shall do;
    For yours is the Passion of man what I go to endure.
    Ye could not know at all what things ye endure,
    Had not the Father sent me to you as a Word.
    Beholding what I suffer, ye know me as the Sufferer.
    And when ye had beheld it, ye were not unmoved;
    But rather were ye whirled along, ye were kindled to be wise.
    Had ye known how to suffer, ye would know how to suffer no more.
    Learn how to suffer, and ye shall overcome.
    Behold in me a couch: rest on me!
    When I am gone, ye shall know who I am;
    For I am in no wise that which now I seem.
    For ye are come to me, then shall ye know:
    What we know not, will I myself teach you.
    Fain would I move to the music of holy souls!
    Know in me the word of wisdom!
    And with me cry again:
    Glory to thee, Father!
    Glory to thee, Word!
    Glory to thee, Holy Spirit!
    Amen.

    • @dabedwards
      @dabedwards Год назад

      Thank you so much for doing this. I tried without success to find the words (without signing up to any sites).

  • @giovannipuliafito
    @giovannipuliafito 7 лет назад

    Meravigliosa e geniale composizione!

  • @potrelviewer9536
    @potrelviewer9536 10 месяцев назад

    Dear Elgar, that jumpscare at 3:56!

  • @wenaviste
    @wenaviste 7 лет назад +8

    Obra maestra. Dios vive en ella, los mortales, el cielo y la tierra. Gracias Holst.

  • @MePeterNicholls
    @MePeterNicholls 2 года назад

    We did this Easter 1997 at the Birmingham conservatoire. Glad I found it again after all these years

  • @shin-i-chikozima
    @shin-i-chikozima 6 лет назад +3

    いいよねえ!素晴らしい❗

  • @wolfbar1968
    @wolfbar1968 7 лет назад +1

    Magnifiques wonderfuly i love it

  • @AlexanderCappellazzo
    @AlexanderCappellazzo 2 года назад +1

    The section at 10:09 feels like proto-John Adams 'Nixon in China' for me with those rhythmic repetitions and harmonies. Love this piece the whole way through.

  • @xenoexistence
    @xenoexistence 5 лет назад +1

    11:14 gives me chills

  • @CraigLemming37
    @CraigLemming37 6 лет назад

    I adore this.

  • @muzakmuzak3115
    @muzakmuzak3115 6 лет назад

    Marvelous.

  • @alhesiad
    @alhesiad 2 месяца назад

    Really good, surprising that is not better known.

  • @ratonmusical5865
    @ratonmusical5865 7 лет назад +6

    que divertido que comienze con el canto llano Pange lingua c:

  • @thebrasshole6204
    @thebrasshole6204 7 лет назад +6

    LSO always masters Holst. Cant get any better.

    • @vincentledger1616
      @vincentledger1616 7 лет назад +1

      Soo true! The Berlin Philharmonic recording of the Planets with Simon Rattle doesn't get anywhere near the LSO one with Sir Colin Davis.

  • @MedievalRichard
    @MedievalRichard 4 года назад

    Splendid.
    MR

  • @PKWysocki
    @PKWysocki 7 лет назад +10

    I'm not an expert, but isn't the fragment starting at 3:16 somewhat similar to controlled aleatorism - some 40 years before it was invented?

    • @harlekiinii
      @harlekiinii 7 лет назад

      Definitely, and it's quite beautiful!

    • @klausbaden
      @klausbaden 6 лет назад +4

      Yes! Holst was a kind of an early Lutoslawski here!!

    • @dulkoski
      @dulkoski 6 лет назад +4

      It was used by Charles Ives and Henry Cowell in the 30s, and Ockeghem used it centuries before.

    • @alejandrom.4680
      @alejandrom.4680 4 года назад +1

      dulkoski Which piece of Ockeghem uses it?

  • @elsavertiz1606
    @elsavertiz1606 Год назад

    Bellísimo!

  • @Kowjja
    @Kowjja 7 месяцев назад

    Holst really need to be recognised as one of the major figures of the early 20th century in classical music

  • @erosbattaglia9148
    @erosbattaglia9148 7 лет назад

    Un capolavoro

  • @jameslecoeur9165
    @jameslecoeur9165 5 лет назад

    une belle découverte

  • @GerrlichStudios
    @GerrlichStudios 2 года назад

    brilliant

  • @chakkriza234
    @chakkriza234 5 лет назад +1

    Prelude is from Tantum ergo sacramentum

  • @darksuicune1
    @darksuicune1 7 лет назад +2

    Didn't expect to like this but it's actually really good

  • @AndreyRubtsovRU
    @AndreyRubtsovRU 6 лет назад +2

    5/4 section is v nice

  • @bergerecossais
    @bergerecossais Год назад

    I’m beginning to suspect that John Adam’s went for a short ride in a Time Machine.

  • @leoholder7839
    @leoholder7839 Год назад

    this is definitely source material for John Barry in some of the Bond music in different countries

  • @jeremiahsalyer7784
    @jeremiahsalyer7784 5 лет назад +1

    I've sat next to the low brass for years but I swear I only hear a single instrument. Is it a unison part between horns and trombone?

    • @DallasBolin
      @DallasBolin 4 года назад +4

      It's meant to be trombone solo; the horn part there is actually just cue notes, as per Holst's very specific instructions to the trombonist as per positions: if the trombonist cannot achieve exactly what Holst asks without what he calls "blurring" of notes (I think that's what it said, anyway), then the solo is to be played by horns instead.
      That's my understanding, anyway!

  • @canerdeger60
    @canerdeger60 6 лет назад +1

    No time signature?

  • @felixdeckers8863
    @felixdeckers8863 6 лет назад +1

    Which instrument is the R H part? French horn?

    • @granthicks2030
      @granthicks2030 5 лет назад +2

      Knuffel - I think you may be misreading the letters "E H" that indicate the English Horn part. The French Horn part is labeled "Hns" except at the very beginning.

  • @raffaellopilato3132
    @raffaellopilato3132 7 лет назад

    bellissimo

  • @TheGedosix
    @TheGedosix 7 лет назад +17

    Heard Saturn somewhere in the middle :)

  • @SuperJox
    @SuperJox 3 года назад +1

    How have I never heard of this piece? I can see it being rarely performed

    • @sueklausshow
      @sueklausshow 3 года назад

      It's a shame, but it requires numbers, many numbers of people, 2 satb choirs, plus a treble choir, plus full orchestra.
      But it SO worth it!

    • @Gwailo54
      @Gwailo54 2 года назад +2

      @@sueklausshow it’s a perfect piece for the Thee Choirs, especially the acoustics in Gloucester cathedral, yet the festival performs Gerontius to death.

  • @wilh3lmmusic
    @wilh3lmmusic 2 года назад

    5:55 that chord is great

  • @giovanniciampi8646
    @giovanniciampi8646 4 года назад +3

    I would love this piece...if it was not so damned full of scare chords è _ é! I literally can't listen to it without jumping on the chair every once in a while. The fact that it tends to be generally low on volume then someone suddenly screams...does not help.

  • @krzem3532
    @krzem3532 5 лет назад

    OMG he was a genious!

  • @metodoinstinto
    @metodoinstinto 5 лет назад

    Nobody else heard Ravel's orchestration of Pictures at an Exhibition in the opening?

    • @inesdeerausquin5658
      @inesdeerausquin5658 5 лет назад +2

      You're right, it's similar! But it's also very clearly a direct quote of the Eucharistic hymn "Pange Lingua" -- look up the Gregorian chant version and it'll be obvious

  • @avzarathustra6164
    @avzarathustra6164 2 года назад

    Nice

  • @aguador67
    @aguador67 4 года назад +2

    It's me or the "Introduction" theme is "Pange Lingua"?

    • @baldrbraa
      @baldrbraa 4 года назад

      Luis Fernando González Serra Yes. A slight variant from the Graduale Romanum version.

    • @jimslancio
      @jimslancio 8 месяцев назад

      That's what it is. And the first music the trebles sing is the plainsong hymn "vexilla regis."

  • @alfredoparamo3139
    @alfredoparamo3139 3 года назад

    El compositor y musicólogo mexicano José Antonio Alcaraz (1938-2001) consideraba que esta es la obra maestra de Holst. Yo también lo creo

  • @danminhsonlangdu
    @danminhsonlangdu Год назад

    woa

  • @yuehchopin
    @yuehchopin 4 года назад

    gute Sendung

  • @marcustrelle4898
    @marcustrelle4898 3 года назад

    I am the lizard king.

  •  6 лет назад +5

    Pity this is so seldom performed!

    • @jsaavedr1
      @jsaavedr1 5 лет назад

      It's not an easy piece to sing or play, plus not every place has an organ at their disposal.

  • @pian1sticpeng_in
    @pian1sticpeng_in 7 лет назад

    heard mars in 15:04

  • @ben-rosfeld
    @ben-rosfeld 5 лет назад

    10:55

  • @anotheroneofthecrowd9379
    @anotheroneofthecrowd9379 2 года назад

    9:44

  • @solveigberling1662
    @solveigberling1662 7 месяцев назад

    3:55 no cause wtf?

  • @cynthiacassel
    @cynthiacassel 8 месяцев назад

    All I can say is that chihuahua is my enemy. And I’ve never played this game before because I didn’t know it was a game. I’m not a lesbian though. My phone is unusually dark and I seem to be paired with some woman and I’m not gay. To get justice it always appears as sexwhatever that means.

  • @MegaCirse
    @MegaCirse 3 года назад

    Pantheism or naturalistic pantheism identifies God with the world. There is God, there is the world, but God merges into the world. The material world is the only reality, God is only the sum of all that exists. This is what these sonorities inspire me :)

    • @MegaCirse
      @MegaCirse 3 года назад

      @@tylergarrett7572 It's nice what you write, but on our human scale, When the man does not understand the acts of the lord, he sometimes transforms his love into hatred and it is then that the demon seems to whisper to him the poisoned words. Those who believe in God for the answers are the most fragile because they easily transform their devotion into resentment. Religion is not an outside crutch, it is an inner fervor. The Devil is often hidden in this misunderstanding¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Good day sir !

  • @porkyminch5131
    @porkyminch5131 8 месяцев назад

    Not once was jesus mentioned. Kind of disappointed...

  • @_bruhbus
    @_bruhbus 4 года назад +1

    Sounds like skyrim

  • @musik350
    @musik350 6 лет назад +1

    Even though I'm an atheist, I still think that Jesus existed. But I find it inappropriate to link such loud and wonderful music to him as he seemed to be a very modest person.

    • @thomasbrodrecht6137
      @thomasbrodrecht6137 4 года назад +4

      RDVMusic You see my friend, if He is the Son of the living God, King of Creation, as He claimed and was announced to be, then strong and grand music is simply our best attempt to glorify Him. If their is a God enthroned above, with eyes of flame and a voice of thunder, judging the deeds of all men, then this music is quite fitting. Not as fitting to an average Jewish carpenter dude in the late Roman Empire

  • @Mezzotenor
    @Mezzotenor 5 лет назад

    I'm not digging this. It's an undisciplined miscellany of techniques and sounds that sounds pasted together, and it calls for a rather extravagant set of performers. To me it's sort of like Honegger's "King David" re-done as a chick flick. Too many times there is a gradually attained silence only to be interrupted by a blast of voices and instruments that again fades away; once or twice is okay, but he cranks this device over and over. As for the text, I find it quite strange: "Ye were not moved; but rather were you whirled around, ye were kindled to be wise." Later, "Behold me as a couch; rest on me." Huh? I guess that's what you get with apocryphal texts.

  • @javiermandujano35
    @javiermandujano35 4 года назад +2

    I cannot lie this song is good. But you have to know the Catholic religion is false the religion mixes paganism with the Jewish Messiah. May we all come out of religion and worship the God of Israel in our homes. I may we go to the Hebrew roots of the faith as in knowing the Old Testament and New Testament was written in Ancient Hebrew. I am on this journey people say is heresy even sinful to say Yeshua the Messiah did not do away with the Torah. But he Yeshua did not do away with the Torah, he did away with the Commandments of men which were the Pharisees and also the sacrifice law so there's no more Temple because Yeshua is the ultimate sacrifice. When we believe in the God of Israel but when we are under grace though faith we are to follow the Torah Lest we thought in our heads we have a license to sin. Yeshua came fulfill the Torah not to do away. By the way he has not fulfilled the Torah. According to the Hebrew scriptures all is not fulfilled until Heaven and Earth pass away.
    Edit: not just the Catholic religion almost every religion also the Catholic Church breaks the Ten Commandments by worshipping idols and even calling the idols God. Even as far as kissing a little doll and saying is Yeshua(Jesus).

    • @javiermandujano35
      @javiermandujano35 3 года назад +1

      @@tylergarrett7572 I still disagree with you I disagree Catholicism is meant to be a representation of God's word from a "unique point of view". But thank you for being so kind and not being rude like how other people usually respond to me. but may I ask you what do you believe in if you believe in anything? I might learn from you.

    • @javiermandujano35
      @javiermandujano35 3 года назад +1

      @@tylergarrett7572 I respect you for being kind but it's better to do the right thing is better follow the facts if you know what I mean I mean you're right "you can think any way you want". But this does not mean if you think any way you want you are right. I just try to do my best and follow God. hopefully you do too.

    • @javiermandujano35
      @javiermandujano35 3 года назад +1

      @@tylergarrett7572 all of us are not perfect but may we do what Yeshua(Jesus) said to do under his Grace.

    • @heddwyn3914
      @heddwyn3914 Год назад

      @@javiermandujano35 The human species is generally not in possession of the facts - without being rude, that includes you (and me.) The text is a Gnostic passage by the way.

    • @javiermandujano35
      @javiermandujano35 Год назад +1

      @@heddwyn3914 the human species should not listen to the facts is what you’re saying?