Review: Rane TWELVE Controller | Tips and Tricks
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2018
- After providing a quick first-look in April, Mojaxx returns for an in-depth review of Rane's TWELVE controller. Subscribe to DJcityTV: bit.ly/127fT8P
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Personally Mojaxx, I prefer that you don't rush to get a video out on these pieces of hardware. Too many times I look up a video about a piece of kit I'm interested in, and just end up watching 10 vids that say exactly the same thing... which usually just ends up being a round-the-houses convoluted way of saying all the stuff you could read on the back of the box - because the reviewer hasn't actually had any time to learn anything about the gear at all.
Thank you for caring enough to tell people stuff that is actually relevent. Keep up the good work!
tombyrnerocks I concur. I was waiting on this review from him. I know a few djs that own these. This review is spot on with the live performances of those djs.
tombyrnerocks you are so right,I wonder if this guy is really a DJ or a sales rep
@@makstaz79 Nah he's the real deal. But who knows, perhaps when the gigs run out and the ears run deaf, might be a prime DJ gear sales role with Mojaxx's name all over it!
@@makstaz79 so what is it you do?
Awesome review! Can't wait to get cases for the kit.
I remember the days when I had to take nearly 20 trips into the place I was playing at. Turntables one at a time. Mixer, speakers and then like 10 crates of records. I just got out of DJing when the Serato was first coming out. I went to my buddies place and he had a set up and it absolutely blew my mind.
Best review I've seen on these
Great review as usual.
Great review
Like I said in a previous vid I would love these to be a new club standard but I'm inclined to agree with your view regarding cdj's especially with the new denons on the scene. Still they're still a nice option to have and will probably do well in the USA and Japan where hip hop is prevalent 🙂
great review sir....
Great review thanks!
Awesome review and very detailed 👌
Does anyone know if the Twelves work with Key Lock? Just picked one up, scratching sounds very distorted until you turn Key Lock off, but then if you're dealing with +-16 bpm you have to deal with the high/low key. Serato has scratch detection for other devices, but i can't seem to figure it out with the Twelve. I'm probably missing something. Help?
I wonder if possible to midi map the pitch 8% and 50%buttons for pitch bend that be great it will feel like working on a Numark ns73 0r 2. Please let be possible Rane and post effects fader upgrade.
I can't afford it. I can afford to hear about it though.
DJANTTV ... LMAO! I Can Dig It!😂
I'm right there with yuh
Can these be used with another controller? Like a sx3
Is this a turntable ?? If it is then what would u recommend a proper turntables with lense and record or this ??
Mojaxxx what is your view on the start stop button being a microswitch not that typical technics deep press mechanism?
I am a Virtual DJ user, and just want a replacement to my 1200s when playing out. I know the MK2s are out, but is there any reason why I couldn't just get the MK1? I don't need the browser buttons/knob, and think the OLED display is kind of gimmicky. I trust your recommendation, if you have time to respond. Thanks!
Fantastic review (as always) but i have one question, whats keeping that Mohawk attached?
I think I'm more inclined to snag an RP-7000mk2 for home (just one), and SC5000M (maybe 2 eventually) to go along with my MC7000...
I WOULD like to someday have 2 of the SC5000M players, I just can't decide what mixer I'd use them with. ...
Hey want to know if the rane 12 work with a regular mixer and a denon ds1 box ??
what's the purpose of the 33 and the 45 speed?
Been using these for two months - For scratching, it is everything you expect. Real turntable feel. For mixing, its not 100% there, I dont think they've nailed the pitch control feel and the platter speed to be exactly like Turntables
what kind of audio interface is needed to connect it to analog mixer?
The rane 12 Touch Bar is so sensitive is there any way to turn it off ?
Will the Twelve work with Traktor 3?
THE TIP AT 5:20 IS HUGE. Thank you, Mojaxx.
That's what she said??? :)
lol
So if i have a pioneer djmS9 i need 3 USB inputs?
Another great video from Mojaxx! Now I gotta buy some Twelves!
I'm digging those stickers you marked with. What brand are they or where can I get them??
It's same as a turntable,but saves you money on replacing worn out needles and vinyl
what program can you use this turntable on
as a beginner would you recommend to get vinyl turntables first then maybe later purchase something like the rane 12s or could i just get these and save money on re buying?
thanks
Its a tough call, depends on your end game. Do you plan to strickly be a digital DJ meaning serato or whatever and have little to no desire to collect and acquire real vinyl records? if so the rane 12s is an excellant investment.
But if you think you'll someday get into the passion of vinyl collecting your gonna be best off investing in a good high end DJ set from the start over a digital/controller player.
Honestly I would suggest the tradional record player in most cases... vinyl has stuck around for a reason, its simply an enjoyable experience to listen to are you gonna listen to all your music on vinyl... not at all as its a chore compare to the ease of click and play digital music but the option to toss on a vinyl record sit back and relax is a nice option to have even if you only rarely take advantage of it... Myself I dont listen to vinyl as much as I use to but its always an enjoyable experience when I do.
bottom line is that any turntable can become a digital controller with add ons like serato or phase DJ but theres no digital controller that plays vinyl or could be converted to play vinyl down the road if thats something you want to do later on. but honestly if thats something you decide you want to do later on you can always pick up a dedicated set for vinyl playback like something made by pro-ject
if I were just starting out didnt collect any vinyl or plan to in the near future and just wanted a DJ set for mixing and scratching the rane 12s are quite awesome
as the industry is becoming more and mroe digital based with controllers and devices like phase DJ your not losing much going with the 12s over a tradional set imo. but one must seriously consider if youl'l ever dive into vinyl collecting in the future if theres at all a chance youll become a vinyl audiophile type getting a tradional turn table from the start will save you some anger in the future...but again oppisite could be said if you plan to stay in the digital world of things then you may save yourself a headache in the future going with the 12s off the get go.
Thanks for the review mate. I don't get them not have a hub built in that would have been a really good idea. Shouts for having the Dinked 45's sticker on your Laptop too!
How do you get these to work with rekordbox?
I've been using digital controllers to do for the last year or so but I'm heavily interested in switching to a more traditional turntable setup. What would be a good setup for someone who is new to turntables?
Technics 1200 mk2s
Yes they would
Do Rane Twelve turntables eliminate the fluttering BPM in the Serato DJ Pro software you get with using analogue Technics turntables & DVS control vinyl? If they do, does it even eliminate the fluttering BPM using a digital file ripped from vinyl?
Thanks
Id like to know this as well
sooo u can use them with the numark 2 go 2? that is nice. a good option for small , but not that small set up lol
Jose Lugo I was kinda thinking “what would be the craziest looking compatible setup?” and that was what came to mind. Would definitely work though!
Mojaxx, have you hooked up the Rane Twelves with your Novation Twitch yet?
I've not djed in years but had 1200's and a 57 when I worked at the bar. Wanting to get back in at home for mixes - could you buy one TWELVE and a rane mixer and use internal for the other side not tied to one of these controllers? Or need the two controllers
I guess one decent stanton or reloop ect would be cheaper than the twelve and use internal
How do you feel about the 2nd generation twelves and 72...look like they tried to address most of your concerns?
I was shocked when I got them after seeing this review months before
I would keep reaching for tone arm lol , it must take time to get use to the decks, can you put normal vinyl over it for label ?? if so I would put suburban base vinyl over it
FSwift DJ Best label ever. Fact.
You could certainly use Sub Base vinyl if you wanted, but as it involves drilling 3 holes in it, you’d probably want to find some that are already beaten up.
Although now you’ve got me thinking about those clear Sub Base reissues that came out for RSD last year... 🤔
MojaxxVDJ I've got spare subase promo vinyls so maybe when I get these lol, then again you could custom serato vinyl like it, Best label I would agree but then I would say Production house, Moving shadow, Reinforced, Defected, Locked on, XL, loads look out for vinyl mix on my channel some subase etc
Hey guys, how do you get the white vinyl?
That's the same here in the US. The big major clubs may still have turntables for vinyl but I don't see them spending any money for new turntables. The club standard are CJDs with a mixer. I'm a House DJ and I don't see anyone spending that kind of coin.
Mojax can you seend me 2 of those white markers for my 12's ?
Are you able to midi map the buttons through serato on the twelve to map for pitch bending? Does the BPM show and move instantly in serato program? Was wondering if there was sorta a lag read out in BPM like using dvs.
Doeun Meas No remapping for ‘accessories’ in Serato still. Response to the pitch is definitely quicker than with DVS because it’s sending info direct from the slider. But it’s not a huge difference in real life.
MojaxxVDJ however, u can midi map the 72 to pitch bend by using the pads
Hey Mojax thanks for the video I’m thinking about going with the 12 what are your thoughts would you recommend this over the reg technics turntables Thanks
It’s all in personal preference Rocky if you love your needles and putting the tone arm on the record then stick with the traditional turntable if you rather have better portability not have to worry about needles or a tone arm skip proof vibration proof almost like a CDJ and still have that traditional feel then go with the Rane 12’s!
can i use with mp2015 with no computer?
I believe that Numark should make a 12” V7. That unit was hella nice.
They already have in 2003/2004 the CDX
I forgot about the HDX as well
viirusone but those pale in comparison to the Rane 12. This tech is far more advanced. I think if Numark come out with an affordable 12" platter controller, it should outperform the Ns7iii bc of the new tech. Serato is the most popular software on the market right now...... I'd be interested
That's a given, 2004 tech vs 2018. I was putting it out there it's not a new concept, it's been done before. BTW inMusic own's Rane & Numark.
I still own a V7 and it was a killer piece of kit but the resolution wasn't good enough. 3600 ticks on the Rane 12? I don't know the exact number on the V7 but I could never get real precise on the cuts with it.
The acrylic discs, if you need more grip you could stick anything to the top of it, even surfboard Gorilla Grip or Skateboard grip tape but the latter might destroy your fingers
3:58 isn't it quite big delay between turntable movement and mixer screen?
good catch
Has anyone tried midi mapping the Rane Twelves to Rekordbox yet?
i feel can be a good product this rane twelve, but my mind, my heart, gonna always choose Technics mk2 lol and in 25 years exept RCA i never get any problems with my mk2
it would be so hard to change my mk2 to rane Twelve!!
@_.kerrigan if u know how to mix with real vinyl = mix with your hears no screen, it's means u can mix with everything
wouldn't the serato logo be a good indicator if you want the indicator pointed to the "needle"
That is what i use
Why only for Hip Hop DJs? There is no tone arm? Great review!
I got a hack for that grabby that comes with the Rane 12... run it under some water and wash it and they'll be slick enough to do whatever you need to do with it
Neat! I will keep my reloops tho
Does the rane 72 mixer work with other turntables?
He answered that at 9:04
I am about to upgrade. Being a Dj who started in 85. The market is for Dinosaurs at 53 like me. Can't wait to have that feel again. I play House, Breaks and PsyTrance amongst many other styles.
Update ! The new run has recessed power and USB underneath. Also the white acrylic disc has been replaced with a black disc with grooves. Next the allen key spindle has been replaced with one with a quick release.
Also the 12inchskinz has a cue marker on it.
Hey MoJaxx, I have a pair of Denon Dj-s3700’s I run them in hybrid midi mode I wonder can they Compete
Marcus Franklin I’ve never used those Denons, know a few folks who loved them though. It’s not quite the same technology but if you’re still happy with them, I’d hang on to them. Unless you have a hankering to spend some money, in which case the 12s are indeed very good.
How much do weigh and can you put them in turntable cases
Can I use my Rane 62 with it?
I've been contemplating switching my at home "mess around and have fun" setup to these when they were first announced, and still might, but.... Ouch, hearing that they've swapped out a record to an acrylic disc (and worse, a mostly white one at that) but haven't bothered to update the pictures of the unit on their website... Glad to hear they're pretty much just like turntables though.
Only reason I don't like using DVS with my STR8-150's is truth be told, Native Instruments mk II control records have a horrible banshee wail through your cartridges, and others in the room not wearing headphones typically aren't happy about that noise...
The white disc is the sex. Love the look.
A dicer will fit in the lower Level LH corner if you need one
if rane collab. with pioneer and made a cdj 12 hybrid i would be interested but as the 12s stand i wouldnt be able to add it to my collection of tables... love the idea of no tone arm n needles but my cdjs overall work alot better then have a pair of 12s i can dream hopefully one day a cdj 12 hybrid will be born.
Yeah. And/or make it play directly from a usb stick. Without a laptop.
What mixer is that mate?
@12:34 Good point!
I still own Tech 1200s they work just as great!!😉😉
Im a romantic and all, but fuck if I'm paying $15-$35 per vinyl for every new record i want to spin
The final iteration of this should be a controller that also has a traditional needle. You should be able to use real vinyl or it as a modern controller. Why not both?
The looks. Not bad I. Would. Choose. These over. Cdjs at club standard I. Love.the feel.of.vinyl. It enhances my experience as a dj, not having a tone arm might still be off putting tho
Well thats settled that ,
I just cannot let go of the stylus touch , It ads the feel to the mix .
I never liked CDJ, so the only option was Technics turntables or midi controller. Tried both and now, it was time to upgrade and this was a no brainer. Phase is still buggy (to this date 9/9/2019) and I don't want to replace batteries or calibrate anything. An accelerometer will drift over time and they have no official Serato support.
Though CDJs are extremely standard, turntables are still a standard in many clubs up and down the west coast of the US. I'm in Seattle where every bar and club that provides equipment has either turntables only, or both turntables and CDJs. RANE will sell a lot of these.
Where I stay, turntables are coming back with a vengeance... which I’m more than happy with .
A couple weeks ago, the club I play at asked the residents to come in to show us the awesome new DJ booth - I felt like all my Christmas’s and Birthdays had come at once lol
Same out here. There's still loads of us that prefer to us TT's They are just in poor condition.
no
Can't believe it - sound like paradise … i hate cdj and i only like timcode to save the tt and real vinyl. Its not all about the tech - vinyl is a culture , art form ...
super dope
i watched this , thought it looked quite interesting but then i saw the price. for a usb controller is massively expensive , i had to check a few sites to see if it was a mistake. get native instruments to make it , £200 , would be fine. if it had a screen , build in software , interface , Sd , maybe worth it.. or an actual proper turntable would be cheaper...
I don't get it, I have technics 1210's with masses amount of vinly, does this play vinyl or not 😂.
The market for these are people that use serato and use a controller that is getting long in the tooth. These folks also don't want to deal with the expense of replacing needles or purchasing an sl4.
Hahaha "Hold the 33 button and tap 45". That would come in real handy when stacked 5 high.
Great review! I def found it disappointing that there were no marking in the position where the needIe would normally be. But personally i have no problem understanding who these are for. I believe Rane calls these "battle controllers". I think they are very much targeted at scratch dj's - it seems that most of those are using Serato anyways and zero needle skipping, record wear, needle wear etc. really makes sense. Plus the real vinyl feel is absolutely key obviously. I haven't gotten my set of the white acrylic discs yet - my only concern would be that somehow your skills would not transfer as well when you find yourself in front of real turn tables..
There allot cheaper then cdjs! May look into getting Pair if these!
Kidneys are a lot cheaper than cdjs...
get in touch with support, those things came with no tonearm
Personally? I've been wanting something like this for a while actually BUT with Phase coming out, and if it does what it promises to deliver, there's no point in picking these up, or I would've bought these for controllers to be honest. In other words, I see this as a good goto for us that prefer vinyl and the way vinyl has worked for us for years.
Can this work with Rekordbox Dj?
That's my question.
@@EpicEspei222 i hope it can
You and me both.
13:20 is the point… thats the main problem its not open for other systems, so no chance to get club standard … you can be happy if they have some tt in clubs today and than it makes much more sense to use real vinyl or go with phase ...
i don' t understand this cdj thing in clubs… every dj want the tt back, talk about the lost art of real mixing, the warmer better sound of vinyl and the industry produce new tt decks - but…
maybe a smaller 10,7" disc , portable and open for all systems would make sense but this twelves are more an exotic, deluxe super expensive home solution ....
no quartz lock...
Recessed connectors are key. This is a BIG mistake! Also, there was no reason why the pitch fader couldn't be in a traditional position since there is no tonearm anyway. Otherwise, making these 9" or 10" would've made more sense for portability and these would've been perfect.
you guys know you can turn these in the traditional turntable way. they stil work
Is it just me, or can you see The Lag @ 02:23 ? "I'll keep my M5G's ForEver"!
@@RUclipsTookMyNickname.WhyNot I think if the audio was as choppy as that display suggests this thing would be getting roasted.
@@RUclipsTookMyNickname.WhyNot I'm agreeing with you. I said that if the audio was as glitchy as the display on the mixer then surely the guy would be bashing this controller.
todo esto mata al djing
What is the Wow and Flutter like on these for normal mixing?
HellNegative TV curious of this as well he mentioned it has zero drift but i would of rather seen a demonstration of the Serato software displaying that or an example of steady bpm accuracy.
Likewise.
HellNegative TV and maybe it’s me but i always felt Scratchlive had better bpm accuracy i don’t recall much bpm fluctuation on SSL and i think SDJ has increasingly more. Anyone else 🤷🏼♂️
I noticed the same. I thought I was just being crazy.
Or maybe SDJ is just showing us the fluctuation that was always there and SSL didnt show it?
Heaw look like fun but Love My denon sc3900s...
If Phase is everything it promises, I see no point in picking these up.
Mine's preordered and I can't freakin' wait!
Exactly. This is stupid product and waste of money.
+mikelo303 I wouldn't say that it's a stupid product. Without the knowledge of Phase when it was in development years ago, it sounds like a promising bit of gear. It just had the unfortunate window of release to be right before a new revolutionary product.
That being said, it still has something that Phase doesn't, at least for right now:
native Serato interface integration. Gotta have those extra audio cables :P It's gunna roll the scene back to the days of SL boxes :P
That being said... SL box interfaces are totally worth it for Phase...
+DJ YZ Wireless signals shouldn't be much of a problem at all, since they're so close together. Signal should not get interrupted.
Battery wise, I can totally understand. But that'd be fine if you maintain a strict routine on chucking them on the charger after every gig.
Plus... you can always just haul around some control vinyl and cartridges as a backup!
Yup something else to carry around and hook up to the mixer like an old SL box. Plus your batteries could die mid set if you forget to charge the units. No thanks. I'll stick to regular needles on my 1200s and get some Twelves before Phase.
I really wish Rane offered this product in a traditional, non battle style layout. House music DJs would love to use this product, but the pitch control is in a horrible position for house music DJs. Very encouraged by this product, though! Does it perform better than a 1200 DVS setup? Cheers!!!
I've used em and the feel is very similar I was concerned how it would feel mixing on the em. You see loads of scratch videos but what about a regular set. they felt great and I had no issues mixing on them.
That's encouraging, djfdel. Did you use them in a battle layout, as designed? I would have to find a way to turn them and still accommodate the plugs. I must wait until I get more information about a traditional, non-battle layout. Peace!
I used them as they are. I generally have my TTS in a battle configuration anyway. The really should have recessed the plugs to accomodate. That and the USB hub built in are massive oversights imo
Thanks for the additional info. Definitely going to check them out. Enjoy!!!
Anybody else noticed the Nintendo Gun at 12:57
I did.
Can it work in traktor?
Tim Weening is not made for Traktor
@@MistaCham but is there a mapping option?
Nope, Traktor can’t be mapped with spinning platters, full stop. Sadly.
this is the bad part about this product djs also like software other than serato.. stupid rane
Tips and tricks?
I demo'd these the other week... The response seemed off, not great for technical/funky scratching.... Giant MP3 player, I'll hold out for Phase.
That's what kind of worries me about all of this stuff. When you really get down to it, give me whatever has the least latency and I'll figure out the rest.
Sup Jam?!?! Yeah, I didn't say anything to the reps... but it was off, not by a lot but enough that any skratch head would notice. Could have been tuned/adjusted better maybe?
I've heard scratch djs use it and they say the latency is fine. Maybe the laptop wasn't setup correctly
Dj DubStak perhaps.... It was a demo put on by Rane.. MR. Sonny James was the DJ so I'm sure he would have dialed it in.
I've used em and they felt just like a 1200. the response was pretty amazing TBH. My concern with Phase is the RF. It will all depend on the freq they use and how and if thats available and legal to use that freq in your region.
id like a 9" version
Why Numark quit V7 ??
Everything gets discontinued eventually
I hope they make ns12. I love my ns7iii. Just wish it had 12" vinyl
I have a V7 in a cupboard somewhere at the lab. In many respects I loved it! But there was always one fatal flaw (for me) and that is unlike the 12, it has an audio interface and so doesn’t play nice with Serato-enabled mixers like the 62, S9 or 72.
If Serato DJ allowed users to select which supported audio interface to use, and ignored the rest, I’d probably use the V7 on a pretty regular basis today. But I don’t want to give up using powerful mixers to do it.
how do u like the ns7iii im thinkn about getn it
I mean the Rane twelve
Drop em to 4 or 599, I’m in. 799? A bit high for me.
@yhootoob I’m in!
Prefer Numark pt-01 because it’s portable!
These companies really sell cheap electronics (Midi controllers) in prices of the real thing! I hope some reviewer at last point this out. They sell every imaginable button combination in the form of device, actually being a simple midi controller inside, where without the corresponding software they just do nothing at all. These devices also cary zero electronics engineering or innovation of any kind to support their prices. Anyway, nowadays «DJs» do not know how their equipment really works, so there is a huge market for all these meaningless toys!
vapon paid about 650 for my pair 1210s. I know exactly what you are saying and it annoyed me. For years too. I do want one of these though maybe a pair.
^^^^THIS^^^^ all these pioneer controllers that look like CDJs... are actually silly buttons....
They aren't even real MIDI controllers, they aren't class compliant, they send proprietary signals that are only translated to MIDI by the software. They are super cool little units but the lack of class-compliance ruins it for me. These will be great for someone already happily living in the Serato ecosystem but I wish there were high-quality alternatives for weirdos like me who like to experiment with custom software and mapping.
should I sell my SL1200 and get the Twelve? Oh... it's not made in USA? :(
Nothing is made in the USA anymore
I'll stick with my numark cdx's