Sorry for the re-publish on this video guys, it appears that RUclips is having an issue processing in HD right now for longer videos. Thanks for all of the original comments, hope you're having a great day!
Can you you recommend to me a reputable/trustworthy seller an Alibaba where I can purchase the components to build a fat tire, full suspension electric mountain bike, preferably at a good price? The main thing I'm looking to order is a full suspension fat tire frame (maybe a combo kit is it's affordable enough, with the frame, battery, motor & motor accessories, and forks etc., because I don't have a lot of money, and would even be ok with finishing the rest of it with used parts bought locally. I'm looking to build one with an Ultra M620, so I'm looking for a frame that will receive that motor.. I'm looking specifically for a frame with a built-in battery receiver. If you can help me I'd really appreciate it. It's kind of nerve racking trying to find a trustworthy source. Thanks
I love the index in your video description makes its very easy to navigate through your videos. Very informative and perfect for someone looking for specs or for their first bike. Subscribed!
Thanks so much, Justin! Yeah, my goal is to help people jump to the parts they really need, or to resume watching at a later time. I realize that the videos can be long. Your comment made my day :D
Those walk features are also VERY useful when you ride your bike down a sketchy single track path that goes down a steep hill but then you cant ride the bike back up. Not something everyone will need but something i look for on every bike now.
it was because of this guy's video I bought my first 25km/h Cube Cross Hybrid Race 500 Black Allroad, last Friday my bike was stolen in a train station, now I am looking for this one. 45km/h and want to try the new chain system, thank a lot for the introduction, you are the best man for ebike video!
I bought this bike based on your spot on review and love it . I live in the Villages Florida . It’s the largest 55 plus development in the world. 150,000 people, 100 golf courses , over a 100 miles of paved trails . I’m loving this bike here . No one has one . Can you recommend a bike rack that would accommodate the weight and fenders that this bike has ? 👍
I have now put 200 plus miles on my 380 plus. Hands down the best bike I have ever owned. The quality is why you pay big bucks. Sure glad I found a 93 mile used one for $3,200. The price new at $4,750 is a little more than I would pay. Add tax and you are looking at a $5,000 ebike. I realize it is not a cheap Chinese bike but that is a big chunk for one bike. Luckily we found two low mile Gazelles 380 plus and C8 step through our-the-door $6,600 for both bikes. My only complaint the step through C8 I think is a little slow at 20 mph but my wife enjoys it and when we bike together I leave my 28 mph bike in eco so we can ride together.
Well back, way back for you in 1963 or 64 I got 3 speed rear hub floating transmission connected via a chain into the hub to wire cable to the shifter on the handle bar. It slipped occasionally (was a real nut buster)but it was the best bike I ever had. I ride a ride1up 700 now and am quite pleased with it except for all the shifting and I put a guard on the derailer. Every bike's weak point. I like it and do long rides on it. The belt and basically gazelles whole setup interests me. I also like the inhouse optional second battery. I've been thinking about building my own but that is not kosher with warranties and insurance. The hard part is paying twice as much as I paid for my first new car, a VW bug back in 72'.
Thanks for the video.. I just bought this ebike.. I see that your video is 3 years old so this bike has been around for awhile.. I still have to read the directions.. I did not know how to turn it on until I watched your video.. I want to read about proper storage and charging.. I did get the suspension seat post.. I am able to adjust it to either a harder or softer suspension.. I also bought the wrap around chain if I want to lock the bike up.. Since I am in Colorado I bought the Tannus liners because there are what they call "gooseheads" which are thorns.. I am excited to get on it and ride..
I would buy this bike if it had the Bosch Smart System. I can’t see paying the bike’s asking price for the old Bosch motor tech and 500Wh battery it uses. I’d rather buy a Specialized Turbo Vado or Como once they’re available later this year with belt drives.
I think I agree about the fat tire trend on e-bikes comment. Aside from being better in snow and sand, the only main other reason for fat tires is to use it as a budget ride-comfort feature.
I have this bike and Medeo T10+. I’m not sure which is better yet honestly but I’ve only had it for two days and rode 50 miles. I am definitely debating this myself. Right now I find myself turning up the assist level on hills. That was also the case with the derailleur on my Turbo Creo SL EVO and Medeo T10+ until I figured out the proper shifting. Overall the hub is definitely less efficient but its oddly more satisfying that to shift I just pause on pedaling shift then on the next rotation I can feel the assist kick in.
@@SwiftySanders I am also debating between the Medeo T10+ and the C380+. I am wondering if you had any further experience and any preference of which one is better for SF hill riding.
Yesterday, I purchased a rad mini step through based on your review. My wife, disabled and 72 years old ,like me, but needs a trike. Could you review 2 or 3 etrikes for people like us. I know it’s probably not your choice but you would be doing a service to many. Also include approx price and link for purchase. There are probably many of your subscribers who ride an ebike, whose better half needs an etrike. Thank you.I was especially impressed when you did the video at the bike show in 2016,( I just last week viewed it) and you seemed to know more about some brands than some of the employees.
Thank very much for your honest review, my only take is that you need some help with camera, I feel worried about you when you drive and easier to use your hands , and if you can use some clothe to place the battery and the charger so it won’t scratch .
Just bought the Priority and it is a more petite lighter bike - 50 plus some lbs. Not sure it has the same Envielo or else it is geared lower as it is really difficult to get to 28 mph as it runs out of gearing. Looks the the Gazelle is a more heavy duty ride.
If you got the money, buy it. I am 250 pounds and strong. Bike fast easy up hills and against wind. Long range and dud I say fast? I can also pedal without assist. Wish they had Pinion option. Gearing not enough to tackle Rocky Mountain long uphill riding, but good for lesser hills. Great not to clean lube chain or worry about exposed parts. .
Also I noticed you mentioned at the very end that you suspect less efficient drivetrain due to the cvt and the belt drive. Any chance you could elaborate a little? Is a belt drive less efficient than a chain?
No it is the CVT I think it’s like 85% vs 93% Efficient for regular chain drive. Don’t quote me, as I’m not sure of the exact percentages, But I remember reading somewhere about it being slightly less efficient. I own a café model go by Electra ( which is owned by Trek) , and I really can’t feel any detectable difference from my Allant+8s which is chain drive.
Part of the efficiency is lost to how the Enviolo CVT works, using a proprietary friction fluid to drive the planetary mechanism instead of meshed cogs.
Hi Christopher, I often say ease off as it relates to not pressing hard on the pedals to allow the gear to shift into place... or when the motor power fades out as you reach a certain speed. I hope this clarifies, but feel free to identify a timestamp in this video so I can clarify further ;)
No, Just ease of your pressure on the pedals momentarily as your rotate the gear shift. You will find the shift moves really easily compared to trying to move it while you are pedalling. You don't need to ease off for long and it soon becomes second nature. Applies to both upshift and downshift.
This is my new dream e-bike. I need to stick with my $1000 Lectric XP for now, for budget reasons, but when I graduate college and get a high paying job, I'll reward myself with one of these.
Hi! I bought these no-name sunglasses at the airport recently and they are called Sundog Attaboy. You can buy them here, I really like them sundogeyewear.com/collections/men/products/attaboy
@@ElectricBikeReview I don't know if this helps at all, but I was following RUclips tutorial that said to upload the video as private first, and while it processes, use that time to add to the metadata. Then make it public later when it's fully processed. But for all I know, maybe you already do that and it's still a problem.
Given the price and availability of these bikes (as well as Stromer, Riese & Muller, and others) there are other options out there (e.g. e-scooter/moped such as the Super Soco CPX, NIU GTS Pro). Why I looked but won’t get an e-bike like this just for commuting: 1. Expensive to buy, insure, and maintain (the gates belt and front & rear sprockets cost a bomb). Many motorcycle serviceable items are cheap in comparison to a top end bicycle brand. 2. S-pedelec needs to be licensed 3. Less safe in traffic on faster roads (40mph) with speed differential. 4. Security risk - bikes like these are deemed high value and thieves target them. Scooters are not as desirable and less of a risk. A scooter parked on the city street is not going to get much interest while a Gazelle Ultimate C380 with batteries is. Who wants to lug huge chains and batteries around? Also if your Gazelle gets stolen you will have to wait months for a replacement. 5. No gov subsidy (in the UK) for e-bikes but there is for e-scooters. If I was going to use an ebike for commuting and touring (e.g. through Europe) then this e-bike (and it’s cost) makes more sense. In the UK Gazelle dealers don’t even have a range of demo stock. Not their doing but folks paying this amount for a bike should be able to try before they buy.
Do they make trigger shifters that work with continuously variable transmissions? I don't see how that would be possible since pulling the trigger jumps gears in steps rather than continuously.
@@OM-sb2bd For the record, it was meant as a genuine question of mine, not a snarky comment. I was open to the the possibility that you knew more than I did.
Does it not need a throttle and be a step thru ?? Come on Court those are your priorities based on all your complaints of past injuries. BTW I'm a 74yo cyclist looking to buy Yamaha ebike.
The thing with the key is totally weird. If you don’t use the integrated lock, someone can take the key and steel your battery. What a bad design. No insurance will pay for this. Some things I wouldn’t accept at this price tag is headlight, 50 Lux is just nothing for such a bike. It should be at least 100 Lux. The Purion display is also something, that don’t matches the price. Like you sayed, the pedals. This is not an MTB or a road bike, where you put your own pedals on. This is a bike that gets used as it is and there for it should have premium pedals. And by the way, it rattles.
Yeah, I've seen some other frame locks that do allow for key removal when locked or unlocked, and I wish that was the case here. It seems that Gazelle chose lower LUX for the headlight because this is a US-only product and our regulations are less strict. The lights can be turned off, there's no brake light or side mirror... that's all okay with me, but less than what you'd get on a similar European version. I can see why they might have gone with Purion display, given the headlight mount at the center of the handlebar, but there are some alternative mount designs that could accommodate both display and headlight. Good insights Benjamin ;)
Had a throttle on my first bike then tried the Bosch motor on a Trek. Never thought about having one again as the torque is instant. Absolutely no problem getting across an intersection from a dead stop.
@@jimji2774 Everyday i go to the local park and ride in the canyon, ride on the grass and dirt, sometimes i walk it up a steep hill. a throttle is nuance and no pedal assist can compete.
I agree it is too expensive that is why I purchased used 2022 with 93 miles $3,190 plus sales tax. Talk about depreciation. $1,600 drop and it is a 2022 in 2022 with 93 miles. Someone lost a lot of money.
Sorry for the re-publish on this video guys, it appears that RUclips is having an issue processing in HD right now for longer videos. Thanks for all of the original comments, hope you're having a great day!
Can you you recommend to me a reputable/trustworthy seller an Alibaba where I can purchase the components to build a fat tire, full suspension electric mountain bike, preferably at a good price? The main thing I'm looking to order is a full suspension fat tire frame (maybe a combo kit is it's affordable enough, with the frame, battery, motor & motor accessories, and forks etc., because I don't have a lot of money, and would even be ok with finishing the rest of it with used parts bought locally. I'm looking to build one with an Ultra M620, so I'm looking for a frame that will receive that motor.. I'm looking specifically for a frame with a built-in battery receiver. If you can help me I'd really appreciate it. It's kind of nerve racking trying to find a trustworthy source.
Thanks
This is one of the most excellent, comprehensive, well thought-out bike reviews I've ever seen! Well done!
I love the index in your video description makes its very easy to navigate through your videos. Very informative and perfect for someone looking for specs or for their first bike. Subscribed!
Thanks so much, Justin! Yeah, my goal is to help people jump to the parts they really need, or to resume watching at a later time. I realize that the videos can be long. Your comment made my day :D
I’m super excited to finally own this bike. 🤯😍 This bike is perfect for NYC.
Sweet! I hope it works perfectly for you Christopher :D
Those walk features are also VERY useful when you ride your bike down a sketchy single track path that goes down a steep hill but then you cant ride the bike back up.
Not something everyone will need but something i look for on every bike now.
it was because of this guy's video I bought my first 25km/h Cube Cross Hybrid Race 500 Black Allroad, last Friday my bike was stolen in a train station, now I am looking for this one. 45km/h and want to try the new chain system, thank a lot for the introduction, you are the best man for ebike video!
1080p is working now. I tried the 360p before but ...How about this, I think my computer is allergic to 360p. _Now, back to the review..._
Yay!! It looks like the video finally finished processing, thank good ness, and thank you Jay Starr ;)
Outstanding, very comprehensive review. Thank you.
You always do the best reviews. Thank you.
I bought this bike based on your spot on review and love it . I live in the Villages Florida . It’s the largest 55 plus development in the world. 150,000 people, 100 golf courses , over a 100 miles of paved trails . I’m loving this bike here . No one has one . Can you recommend a bike rack that would accommodate the weight and fenders that this bike has ? 👍
Kuat NV 2.0 is The rack I use for our two Gazelles. The optional loading ramp is nice to have too
I have now put 200 plus miles on my 380 plus. Hands down the best bike I have ever owned.
The quality is why you pay big bucks. Sure glad I found a 93 mile used one for $3,200.
The price new at $4,750 is a little more than I would pay.
Add tax and you are looking at a $5,000 ebike. I realize it is not a cheap Chinese bike but that is a big chunk for one bike.
Luckily we found two low mile Gazelles 380 plus and C8 step through our-the-door $6,600 for both bikes.
My only complaint the step through C8 I think is a little slow at 20 mph but my wife enjoys it and when we bike together I leave my 28 mph bike in eco so we can ride together.
Well back, way back for you in 1963 or 64 I got 3 speed rear hub floating transmission connected via a chain into the hub to wire cable to the shifter on the handle bar. It slipped occasionally (was a real nut buster)but it was the best bike I ever had.
I ride a ride1up 700 now and am quite pleased with it except for all the shifting and I put a guard on the derailer. Every bike's weak point. I like it and do long rides on it.
The belt and basically gazelles whole setup interests me. I also like the inhouse optional second battery. I've been thinking about building my own but that is not kosher with warranties and insurance. The hard part is paying twice as much as I paid for my first new car, a VW bug back in 72'.
Thanks for the video.. I just bought this ebike.. I see that your video is 3 years old so this bike has been around for awhile.. I still have to read the directions.. I did not know how to turn it on until I watched your video.. I want to read about proper storage and charging.. I did get the suspension seat post.. I am able to adjust it to either a harder or softer suspension.. I also bought the wrap around chain if I want to lock the bike up.. Since I am in Colorado I bought the Tannus liners because there are what they call "gooseheads" which are thorns.. I am excited to get on it and ride..
Sounds like a good bike you found! And yes, tire liners in Colorado/Utah are a MUST!
@@ElectricBikeReview Not to mention that a lot of torque is a MUST in Colorado/Utah
Did Gazelle mention if they plan to incorporate the new Bosch smart system into their designs?
I would buy this bike if it had the Bosch Smart System. I can’t see paying the bike’s asking price for the old Bosch motor tech and 500Wh battery it uses. I’d rather buy a Specialized Turbo Vado or Como once they’re available later this year with belt drives.
@@zoiks6631 Have either of those models been released yet with Gates belt drive and/or CVT? (Answer: Yes, the Turbo Vado 3.0 and 5.0 IGH)
I live in the UK and i am looking for a new E bike and i like the Gazelle, as always great review.
I think I agree about the fat tire trend on e-bikes comment. Aside from being better in snow and sand, the only main other reason for fat tires is to use it as a budget ride-comfort feature.
How would you compare this to the Specialized Turbo Vado with similar drive train?
I think the Gazelle rides better and feels so much more solid. My complaint with the + is it is a little noisy, so I went with the standard c380.
Would this be well suited for San Francisco type areas? Constant shifting up and down hills, to me that “derailer” is perfect for that
I have this bike and Medeo T10+. I’m not sure which is better yet honestly but I’ve only had it for two days and rode 50 miles. I am definitely debating this myself. Right now I find myself turning up the assist level on hills. That was also the case with the derailleur on my Turbo Creo SL EVO and Medeo T10+ until I figured out the proper shifting. Overall the hub is definitely less efficient but its oddly more satisfying that to shift I just pause on pedaling shift then on the next rotation I can feel the assist kick in.
@@SwiftySanders I am also debating between the Medeo T10+ and the C380+. I am wondering if you had any further experience and any preference of which one is better for SF hill riding.
Could this bike be outfitted with more aggressive tread for some occasional light trail and forestry type dirt roads?
Yesterday, I purchased a rad mini step through based on your review. My wife, disabled and 72 years old ,like me, but needs a trike. Could you review 2 or 3 etrikes for people like us. I know it’s probably not your choice but you would be doing a service to many. Also include approx price and link for purchase. There are probably many of your subscribers who ride an ebike, whose better half needs an etrike. Thank you.I was especially impressed when you did the video at the bike show in 2016,( I just last week viewed it) and you seemed to know more about some brands than some of the employees.
This is definitely my next bike.
Thank very much for your honest review, my only take is that you need some help with camera, I feel worried about you when you drive and easier to use your hands , and if you can use some clothe to place the battery and the charger so it won’t scratch .
How easy is it to fix a flat tire on the rear wheel???
For its price, I expected a better screen and paint job. Thank God for this video, I was ready to tap on “Add To Cart”.
Wish you could test the Priority Current CVT against this one, since I believe it would give the Gazelle a run for its money.
Just bought the Priority and it is a more petite lighter bike - 50 plus some lbs. Not sure it has the same Envielo or else it is geared lower as it is really difficult to get to 28 mph as it runs out of gearing. Looks the the Gazelle is a more heavy duty ride.
If you got the money, buy it. I am 250 pounds and strong. Bike fast easy up hills and against wind. Long range and dud I say fast? I can also pedal without assist. Wish they had Pinion option. Gearing not enough to tackle Rocky Mountain long uphill riding, but good for lesser hills. Great not to clean lube chain or worry about exposed parts. .
Where's the reviews of the eMTBs? Santa Cruz Bullit or the NEW 2020 Giant Reign e + w/ 85 nm of Torque now?
Off-roading on this bike at all?
Tested one today. Motor cuts out at 28 mph but I peddled to 31 mph.
Also I noticed you mentioned at the very end that you suspect less efficient drivetrain due to the cvt and the belt drive. Any chance you could elaborate a little? Is a belt drive less efficient than a chain?
No it is the CVT I think it’s like 85% vs 93% Efficient for regular chain drive. Don’t quote me, as I’m not sure of the exact percentages, But I remember reading somewhere about it being slightly less efficient. I own a café model go by Electra ( which is owned by Trek) , and I really can’t feel any detectable difference from my Allant+8s which is chain drive.
Part of the efficiency is lost to how the Enviolo CVT works, using a proprietary friction fluid to drive the planetary mechanism instead of meshed cogs.
Between the R&M Homage and C380+, which is better bang for your buck?
The wind was making a bunch of low end on my speakers... I was like is there a thunderstorm?
So basically it’ll take some getting used to for me because of the belt drive. Ease off? You mean lower the gear?
Hi Christopher, I often say ease off as it relates to not pressing hard on the pedals to allow the gear to shift into place... or when the motor power fades out as you reach a certain speed. I hope this clarifies, but feel free to identify a timestamp in this video so I can clarify further ;)
No, Just ease of your pressure on the pedals momentarily as your rotate the gear shift. You will find the shift moves really easily compared to trying to move it while you are pedalling. You don't need to ease off for long and it soon becomes second nature. Applies to both upshift and downshift.
Loving those shades! 😎
This is my new dream e-bike. I need to stick with my $1000 Lectric XP for now, for budget reasons, but when I graduate college and get a high paying job, I'll reward myself with one of these.
I now have both bikes i love the folding Lectric bike to travel with and ride with the wife and I love the 380 ultimate for longer more serious rides.
hi, what brand is your sunglasses?
Hi! I bought these no-name sunglasses at the airport recently and they are called Sundog Attaboy. You can buy them here, I really like them sundogeyewear.com/collections/men/products/attaboy
I think you need to reupload again.
Yeah, still says processing HD on the backend of RUclips. It's confusing and a bit frustrating... sorry for the lower quality! Hopefully it clears up.
@@ElectricBikeReview I don't know if this helps at all, but I was following RUclips tutorial that said to upload the video as private first, and while it processes, use that time to add to the metadata. Then make it public later when it's fully processed. But for all I know, maybe you already do that and it's still a problem.
Here I can see some justification for the premium price... Bosch Mid-drive, CVT, Belt Drive, Quad Calipers...its a suburban soccer mom bike
Won’t doesn’t Gazelle offer the Rohloff hub as an option?
I’m looking for a belt drive ebike.
Thoughts on Dost, Gazelle, Stromer or R&M?
Given the price and availability of these bikes (as well as Stromer, Riese & Muller, and others) there are other options out there (e.g. e-scooter/moped such as the Super Soco CPX, NIU GTS Pro).
Why I looked but won’t get an e-bike like this just for commuting:
1. Expensive to buy, insure, and maintain (the gates belt and front & rear sprockets cost a bomb). Many motorcycle serviceable items are cheap in comparison to a top end bicycle brand.
2. S-pedelec needs to be licensed
3. Less safe in traffic on faster roads (40mph) with speed differential.
4. Security risk - bikes like these are deemed high value and thieves target them. Scooters are not as desirable and less of a risk. A scooter parked on the city street is not going to get much interest while a Gazelle Ultimate C380 with batteries is. Who wants to lug huge chains and batteries around? Also if your Gazelle gets stolen you will have to wait months for a replacement.
5. No gov subsidy (in the UK) for e-bikes but there is for e-scooters.
If I was going to use an ebike for commuting and touring (e.g. through Europe) then this e-bike (and it’s cost) makes more sense. In the UK Gazelle dealers don’t even have a range of demo stock. Not their doing but folks paying this amount for a bike should be able to try before they buy.
Never let an e-bike out of your sight.
Been nipping at the bottle a bit?
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Why no trigger shifter instead of the grip twist? …
Do they make trigger shifters that work with continuously variable transmissions? I don't see how that would be possible since pulling the trigger jumps gears in steps rather than continuously.
@@ex0stasis72 good point my friend, thanks
@@OM-sb2bd For the record, it was meant as a genuine question of mine, not a snarky comment. I was open to the the possibility that you knew more than I did.
@@ex0stasis72 my reply too had only good intentions! I hadn’t considered your question, which seemed to be the right answer as well. Cheers.
Does it not need a throttle and be a step thru ?? Come on Court those are your priorities based on all your complaints of past injuries.
BTW I'm a 74yo cyclist looking to buy Yamaha ebike.
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Its 5k
The thing with the key is totally weird. If you don’t use the integrated lock, someone can take the key and steel your battery. What a bad design. No insurance will pay for this.
Some things I wouldn’t accept at this price tag is headlight, 50 Lux is just nothing for such a bike. It should be at least 100 Lux.
The Purion display is also something, that don’t matches the price.
Like you sayed, the pedals. This is not an MTB or a road bike, where you put your own pedals on. This is a bike that gets used as it is and there for it should have premium pedals.
And by the way, it rattles.
Yeah, I've seen some other frame locks that do allow for key removal when locked or unlocked, and I wish that was the case here.
It seems that Gazelle chose lower LUX for the headlight because this is a US-only product and our regulations are less strict. The lights can be turned off, there's no brake light or side mirror... that's all okay with me, but less than what you'd get on a similar European version.
I can see why they might have gone with Purion display, given the headlight mount at the center of the handlebar, but there are some alternative mount designs that could accommodate both display and headlight. Good insights Benjamin ;)
The purion isnt going to cut it. Im gonna pay the extra for the nyon display. Im not a fan of the smartphone hub right now due to the ux.
I think, 4.7K is very expensive.
It is just a bike. I have excellent e-bikes (second hand, Giant,) which cost just 500 Euro and they are also very good.
No throttle no deal
Get a Harley then and put your flags on the back.
No throttle means you can ride it in National Parks. No throttle means you will actually get a workout.
Had a throttle on my first bike then tried the Bosch motor on a Trek. Never thought about having one again as the torque is instant. Absolutely no problem getting across an intersection from a dead stop.
@@jimji2774
Everyday i go to the local park and ride in the canyon, ride on the grass and dirt, sometimes i walk it up a steep hill.
a throttle is nuance and no pedal assist can compete.
Too expensive. 😞
I agree it is too expensive that is why I purchased used 2022 with 93 miles $3,190 plus sales tax.
Talk about depreciation. $1,600 drop and it is a 2022 in 2022 with 93 miles.
Someone lost a lot of money.