Yanis Varoufakis, Ann Pettifor and Noam Chomsky: A green future beyond capitalism
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- Опубликовано: 14 июн 2024
- "There is no alternative", "it's the end of history" in the shadow of the 2008 crash, the environmental crisis and ongoing COVID19 pandemic, never has the hubris of these words been more striking. Nevertheless if we are in fact at the end of an era, what comes next?
Join us in uncovering the exciting possibilities that the future can hold with public intellectual Noam Chomsky and economists Ann Pettifor and Yanis Varoufakis.
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We’ve bought into the idea that education is about training and “success”, defined monetarily, rather than learning to think critically and to challenge. We should not forget that the true purpose of education is to make minds, not careers. A culture that does not grasp the vital interplay between morality and power, which mistakes management techniques for wisdom, which fails to understand that the measure of a civilization is its compassion, not its speed or ability to consume, condemns itself to death. ~
_Chris Hedges, Empire of Illusion: The End of Literacy and the Triumph of Spectacle_
Education teaches what to learn, not how to learn, which diminishes people’s ability to work things out for themselves. Causes a lack of common sense( in my experience) which is needed to be radically critical of Authority, Society etc
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Listening to Noam Chomsky is extremely sobering. It's a tragedy that he isn't on mainstream media more talking to the masses
Professor Chomsky is a brilliant mind and a tribute to humankind.
He used to be, now he's just old and bitter and has no solutions.
With our present situation, I've noticed Noam Chomsky has been doing many interviews and offering guidance, which is great for us, it's always a pleasure and a privilege to hear him talk about events happening right now. What's crazy is that even now he is still "banned" from mainstream media.
He is not banned from youtube....means he works for agenda pushers....
@@topmushroomirishgirl exactly, furthering the division works in favor of the almighty state. Double useful idiot!
Thank you so much, all of you! It takes so much courage to stand tall against all that depression in the world and you (and of course many others also) and all your efforts keeping my hopes up that we will see a better world one day! :)
Thank you for sharing your experience with us!
It is sad that most of us cannot have a conversation like this with our friends. Because most of them require a lengthy education they don't want to have before they can understand the ideas expressed here.
I've got friends like that too.
We need to learn something also: find the humility to be able to "dumb down better" as easily and sublimely as the right do with its philosophies if you can call them that...
I know how you feel. This reminds me of the saying that you don't truly understand something until you can explain it to a young person. Sometimes, maybe, that saying doesn't fit.
nice to see that Dumbledore and Voldemort are getting along these days
Hahaha
Lmao
Could you explain the reference, ( to Potter I ) believe
I died 🤣🤣🤣
pasha - No happier scenario! 🙂
47:47 *Neiloberalism in a nutshell* _”Marx described it, Thatcher was paraphrasing him probably unwittingly when she said that: I’m going to condemn the autocratic governments of the 19th century for wanting to turn people into a sack of potatoes; isolated, atomized individuals who cannot fight back against the attempt to turn them into virtual slaves-that’s basically neoliberalism, a form of class war which is quite old. It takes new forms and at every point (including property rights as you mentioned-a crucial point) the struggle can go on to take this away._
_There’s no reason why Bill Gates should be a multi-millionaire because he has monopoly pricing rights over Windows say, or that big pharma should be able to charge 10x the price of a drug because they have property rights granted to them or why Apple corporation can become very rich by rent, by using its property rights while somebody else does the work-these are not laws of nature. These are structures designed and imposed by the very wealthy, the corporate sector for their own interests and that has to be dismantled from top to bottom.”_
@Pink Alien we must be very clever and brave.
Dismantle it, just the way so many other patriarchichal structures of the yore have been dismantled - by raising the consciousnes, understanding, awareness. As Chomsky always reminds that it is just below the surface of our collective consciousnes, one little scratch and it is going come pouring out. And the Elite knows it, that's why they never relent in their vicious class war.
@@harryd5893 Yes.
I appreciate that I am not the only one who gets it.
Sometimes it seems that way.
That’s why I get much nourishment from Yanis & Noam.
We shall keep on, I will do what I can in my life and work to continue to raise the consciousness , along with my own.
"these are not laws of nature" i almost cried
You do realise that if you dismantle Facebook and put it into public ownership it will degrade and become obsolete in 5-10 years? As much as I am against monopolies, I am also not convinced the government is the answer.. unfortunately governments are even a greater mess than private businesses are. At least in a business you have responsibility and accountability (the owner is the responsible and accountable and they apply their coercion from that role). In the public sector there is no ownership and there is no clear hierarchy. Everyone is fighting everyone for every little power and resource in the public sector. Trust me, I’ve worked in the public sector (a local council) and it is a fucking mess, I’ve never seen anything like it in the private sector. And nothing like that would survive in the private sector, they would lose all of their clients, all of their money and all of their resource. So, yeah, of course no one should have as much power as Facebook or RUclips have.. but what is the solution? Is it as easy as “dismantle”? Or transfer to the public sector? Well, unfortunately probably not. The smartest thing is to let every party play out their strengths and their function. Let Facebook do what Facebook does the best (make money, improve their platform, use the profit to invest into the next conducive and solicitous project), but also let government do what it does the best (regulate, tax, redistribute).
Sad this had to end. Absolutley one of the best discussions of 2021. Thanks for posting!
Education.
We have, globally, been steered away from the basic foundations of human behaviour. We allowed the ‘elites’ to bully us into ignorance.
Religion has a lot to answer for!
Equality, is the path!
Preach
Commenting from Brazil, I got hope back and more clarity as to how to improve work for the benefit of coming generations. THANK YOU ALL FOR THAT.
Yanis is a flippin' hero!
Keep speaking truth to power and helping the poor to understand they can be loved, valued and live together in dignity - without the leaches!!
Brilliant!! Thank you all very much!! Everybody should see this!
We need to regulate capital flow so nobody has so much wealth they can significantly influence policy. That's the root of the problem.
Structural change is needed or the Overlords just go back to choking us.
@no info the powerful decisions of society since 2008 are made by the big corporations. these multinationals have this power through the nature of capitlaism and exponenetial wealth accumulation and savings. So yes capitlaism is the problem and there are better systems
@no info the romans and ancient greek werent capitalist and they gave us some of the most evolutionary systems that we currently use. "people in power" is a very loose term. People in power who have no accoutnability for their actions of course fuck around with people e.g. short term oriented exterior shareholders of a firm. Then take a solely employee owned firm for example, the employees each have power by having voting rights. But they dont "fuck around with people" because by doing so would negatively impact their own financial health. Its hard to develop an arguement agaist your statement that "People in power always have control and ability to fuck around with people, no matter the system" because its laughably vague. Socialism is in practice for example through the European public healthcare system. That is a socialist policy. Excusing the inequality that capitalism breeds by using the idiotic arguement that "well humans are inherently bad so it doesnt matter what system we use" is such a half ass lazy take. Capitalism allows the wealthy to get wealthier and create intergenerational weath which results in an exponentially growing divide between those who have the means to accumulate wealth and those who dont. i.e. shareholders versus the masses
@no info Power seems to come with capital accumulation. So yes, capitalism IS the problem.
Noam switches between Roosevelt era social democracy to mid 19th century anarchist radicalism, casually, effortlessly. I think he’s right to do so. There is a time clock to climate catastrophe so it makes sense to transform energy production and the economy with institutions we have while dismantling capitalism and private property rights in stages… but also simultaneously
Chomsky's still in denial.. " still hope". The early 70's was the time to have acted,
Our PREDICAMENTS are beyond climate Data. With
The Great acceleration now in free fall, i.e Tipping points done and dusted. Ecological
Overshoot/ collapse is baked in... And climate change is but a mere symptom of a species
Incapable of restraint.
@@johnmoorhouse1455 it really feels like any fights in the future will be both bloody and futile. the future climate policy can be seen at the american southern border and the people being left to drown in europe
"Dismantling capitalism and private property rights in stages"- A ridiculous comment made on a smartphone made possible by the miracle of consumer capitalism. Lol you people are a joke.
@@ince55ant Eat the billionaires first
@@ince55ant Eat the billionaires first
Thank You to All 3 . This was so good and informative. it gives me hope. Blessings to you all. ...keep us informed
Loved the video, very good and provocative analysis. However, I was put off by the term “rural idiocy” used by Yanis at one point in the discussion. Some of the most profound changes that need to happen to put in place the new economic system we are aspiring to are in agriculture, in the way we produce, distribute and consume food. In my work of almost 20 years with small farmers’ associations and cooperatives in one of the poorest regions of Brazil I have learned that these farmers are extremely intelligent, innovative and resourceful. With some modest but consistent investment, training and organizing over a 10-15 years period, we were able to build a small island of grassroots democratic socialism in one of the poorest and remotest areas of rural Brazil
I love that what you said exists. I would like to learn more about these rural places in Brazil.
Most rural places in the US contain people who find virtue in working themselves and others to death, most favor toxic chemicals and practices that kill the life of the soil. I would love to see this change. Please allow me to stay informed of your successes so that I can tell others here as well.
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Thank-you for this.
Let us keep on working this through and living by creating the change that we must in order to bring us back to a sustainable planet.
A Global community of mutual respect, integrity and prosperity that thrives for All! 💚
Yes. Like Gandhi said: "Be the change you want the world to be."
What might be conception of "sustainability"?
@@johnmoorhouse1455 The Green New Deal & Build Back Better, before the neoliberals slashed it down, to start.
@@johnmoorhouse1455 The Green New Deal & Build Back Better, before it got slashed down by the neoliberals, to start.
@@pamelajoy6037 Appreciate your optimism, but Anthropocentrism does not allow for sustainability .
There simply is no
"Sustainable Development"
With 8 billion Humans inhabitants . The damage is Done .We are in ecological overshoot . which is irreversible, and climate change is but a symptom .
Nothing but a radical paradigm shift will solve any of our PREDICAMENTS.
Been through denial and extreme anger myself , but now at acceptance stage.
great conversation and conversation starter.
I fall in love with Noam a little more every time I hear him speak. The sexiest man alive.
…..a voice of clarity and truth that needs to be heard to save humanity.
Oh My!!! I love all three of these wise elders, so much!!! A huge breath of fresh air to hear and see you!!! Please keep this going for all our sakes!
Chomsky sais that unvaccinated people should be isolated and take care of their food. How is that wise ? Look it up, he said it 2ans weeks ago.
Wise elders? Chomsky would do well to stay in his own lane of linguistics. As for economics or political science, he has already embarrassed himself enough in the past with his 'anarcho-syndicalist' nonsense.
I agree. These are wonderful, moral people, unlike right-winger fascist scum.
@@joelwest5396 Is a 'fascist' simply defined as anyone who is conservative and/or anyone who disagrees with you?
Why would you love Chomsky? I am covid recovered. Chomsky says I don't deserve access to food. You respect a bigot like that? For shame!
This panel is describing a situation every non-comatose person knows about, either directly or indirectly., and Big Power, knows it better than anyone. I live in a reputedly advanced country, Canada, and during the last census in which I was forced under penalty of law to participate in, I was asked my age, the size of my house, number of rooms, number of occupants, and whether my husband or I had problems going up or down the stairs! Now, call me paranoid, but this seemed a little Orwellian to me. Especially as thousands upon thousands of those advanced in age - but still human, had died horrible deaths in highly profitable, privatized "Care Homes": were they looking for new investments in a whole new set of victims? Governments have pension money invested in these houses of horror. The situation is beyond reasoning with. We need action, and we need it now.
You are forced by law to complete the census but not obliged to tell the truth
A responsible Govt needs to know certain things to be able to budget and provide (or eliminate) their services or make strategies as they see fit (or can get away with if Right Wing).
But we have to do a census primarily in good faith to help the nation.
Yes we have to be careful of how info is used but right now corporations are the true bad guys on using collected data not democratic govt...you only have to think of how awful to independent media and subservient to legacy MSM the RUclips algorithm is...
Please so this again. All three of you. Thank you very much.
3 heroes of this pain world
Fascinating and insightful arguments! Thankyou!
Amazing program! Hour most well spent.
Very enjoyable and illuminating discussion….thank you
Thank you very much! I hope people will listen closely.
WOW , what a Table of wisdom 🥰🥰🥰🥰
Thank you. great discussion.
thanks so much for this upload.
Thank you. You gave me some hope for the world stopping before the cliff edge.
Great Language Master Great
Please consider providing a summary of points in the description
Thanks for the very relevant & insightful talks
I find it very disturbing that what Noam is talking about at the end here, how by witholding the right to produce vaccines the pandemic is made more lengthy and more dangerous, is so little discussed in the media. This seems to me the most important (self-imposed) problem in eradicating this problem. Why isn't everybody talking about this?
Because the media is owned by corporations, like big pharma. Discussing the most rational course of action threatens profits.
Thank you!
Two absolute legends!🛠
Thank you so much for talks like this.
A really great podcast - such a great trio of brains and rational thoughts and discussions - and still Noam remains more optimistic than I am about our future . .
While outside Sauron’s evil forces are gathering under a darkening sky Strider, Gandalf and Galadriel are meeting in deep secret….
“It teaches us, or reinforces, a lesson we already knew:
The only way anything is going to change - the only chance for humanity (to borrow their phrase) is for massive, organized, popular action and opposition. ...The important part of COP26 was what was happening in the streets. That: The hope for humanity. And unless many more people become involved and more deeply engaged, that hope may vanish.”
--Noam Chomsky
#ominous #MOTIVATING #CarpeDiem #CarpeDiem25!
I'm sharpening my pitchfork!
Let's name it properly: intellectual property rights, not just any property like land or homes. We peasants cannot give up private property rights. Give it up to who? Government ? Which government ? Chinese government or soviets or who? Private property is the guarantee of our freedoms. Let's make it clear.
3 of my favorite people!
"The state is more criminal, than the criminal gangs in the favelas."
Thank you for this 60 minutes!
It became much worse under right-wingers
Thanks for this.
Thank you. Does already exist a traduction in Italian ?
Most human beings live along the coastlines of the world. Just one outcome of climate change is rising sea levels which threaten to permanently flood coastal regions where people live.There are properties and infrastructure worth hundreds - perhaps thousands - of trillions of adjusted dollars at risk of total destruction. Never mind the lost farmland and costs to agribusiness and all the people who like to eat regularly. Yet the world's politicians would ignore the loss of all that developed property and the interests of its owners so a few global oil oligarchs could get theirs. How does this work!?!
If you look at people putting bets in the stock markets against future positions, and also the futures market, it is all a fictional construct where people reap millions, even when there are real losses to producers should that future position come to pass. The financial markets have already taken off to a different "reality". The GFC should be a wake-up call for all.
Thanks guy brilliant 👏🏿
51:05 Ann - but the state *does not* rely on tax revenues of the populace. It does, to the extent that the state is allowing the civil society (or order) to fail as each atom of the collective of citizen security dwindles, but outside of this, it does not care, any more than it cares about climate change. Rather, the endurance of those who are already atomized is already compromised, the state instead relies on its reserve currency status to manufacture new money, per what we already know about MMT. It is not about taxation. It is about the longevity of organizations to withstand their own rapaciousness, and about that longevity occupying a less enduring cycle than its actual consequences (as in: each executives interest lasts for their lifespan, which lifespan is shorter than societies, insofar as society has a mandate for continuing its own subsequent generations)
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she's very combative, i couldn't get past the half hour mark as her Ego took over and what i hoped for a flowing conversation got stalled. And THAT is saying alot since the master of long winded tangents was sitting right there in the bottom of the screen. lol
Yanis was mansplaining alot without giving her the intellectual space to continue in the 'i'm next' category for speaking, but honestly she was pure cliche and meaningless talking points (bretton woods, name dropping yadda yadda)
what are the benefits of a systems change for the super rich and corporations?
We don't have to talk about worker's rights anymore. All our products come from Vietnam, China and the people of the world who work for starvation wages.
I've heard that you can judge the power level of an intellectual by the amount of books they keep on the bookshelf behind them
More please
excellent
Being big fan of Gandalf since the 90s
hope, and generational change ... system change ... decentralize, one world
Hallelujah
There is no alternative of the closure of our so called civilization and return of solitary livelihood. In this regard we need a guideline for the transition.
Thanks for briinging up Linux into this discussion.
I never heard of this group until just today. Where are you spreading the reaching out? I get emails every week fm anti-war groups I never subscribed to, but I do hear from them.
DiEM. What are your thoughts about Donut economics? Is it just a circular economy ideology with green values? Wonder if the donut could help deal with ownership/bargaining problems..
...please expand upon your thought
@@BRIANJAMESGIBB well to me the donut is a good pictorial representation of what we ought to be committed to: _living sustainably, in balance with our world by reducing, reusing, recycling, ideally in a closed loop fashion._ The standard progressive wishlist..
My concern is that it’s just too naive, that it is too easy going on the historical abuses/crimes of capitalist enterprising/modern tech-feudalism. I think it ought to directly highlight the externalities of the collective bargaining problem, the problem of non-accountable corporate owner power into its model and make that more of the central argument.
The “green zone” of the donut ring should not only talk directly about the virtue of inclusion/health blah blah-but also the virtue of excluding failed trickle-up ideologies like “shareholder primacy” (as shareholders are statistically and overwhelmingly not workers).
To me this is where the donut is lacking-not that we can’t be positive, but that there should be a zero tolerance policy for any ideology advocating markets which are controlled almost solely by the 1%. Can a market which only has 10% worker representation really be said to be free? The US market is _clearly_ not guided by the people who produce it, but the handful of C-suite bosses/boards who own it. The donut should be used to speak out against this perversion of principle.
@@nightoftheworld I think your right on the money there. When I read Donut economics, all I could think about was how naive it sounds past the basic idea.
Idealizing our needs and the needs of the planet as 2 boundaries is a great idea, but past that we can't actually use the donut in day to day decision making.
There are way too many books with this exact same premise. Which is, "I want to solve all my problems once again with capitalism, but this time with a smile".
Well, I used always think about my deeds as somehow pointless. It's bitter, but never gave up for real, and taking climate crisis - we can not as a caring people
Inspiring talk. I would love to see more clarification on how Diem25 et al differentiate between their vision of a future beyond capitalism and Communism per se. Some of the statements seemed straight out of the Marx/Trotsky playbook, which can make one nervous.
Is this a board meeting at Hogarts?
39:36 corporations on that public welfare again...
some other good open source softwares: VLC media viewer and Blender for editing/3D animation/3D printing..
This is a very different and much more complicated world situation than anything that has existed before: the "haves" and powerful have a greater share of wealth, technology, organization, and even an almost complete monopoly of propaganda on their side. The advantage of their superior numbers is a disadvantage to the working classes because it makes them expendable in an offshore, globalized economy. One possible way might be non-participation : make-do, don't buy, recycle as much as possible, grow your own food and barter, and communicate and encourage each other in this endeavour. Less profit for big Corps, or (corpse), and less fossil fuel energy expenditure
I think we are starting to see signs of this, and I work part-time and keep my expenses low and freedom high (I also have some privileges I'm not blind to), but non-participation is gonna be the way to go. China they call it "lying flat"
💚
Not a single guest from the Global South to join in? This is becoming an issue on the Western left. We've become too isolated and narcissistic to think we, the creators of the problem, only need to talk to each other to solve what our way of thinking has created.
I love you guys but in order to create change have to simplify the language so the common non intellectual person could relate .This is well I would do it 1)tell the public the earth is like your home we need to clean first priority 2)profits of multinational coperstions will be the last priority 3)eliminate stock market it is like gambling that is controlled by the rich just like the house casino 3)next all human beings Medicare this self explanatory 4)wages rise so people can live in dignity)next yhis is important you give coperations a choice pay a tax rate of 80 percent or the government nationalize their assets 5)milatary slashed to 20 percent of current level all defensive and more training in civil assistance for climate disasters etc only peaceful.I think you understand my point simple point form people understand this form easier.SImilar like the protestant reformation point form.
Love you Noa
Gandalf the grey indeed...
COP26 will get my trust when I see them inviting and taking into account the presence and opinion of the indigenous and native original and traditional caretakers of the planet. Til now it's the usual bla bla expecting money to save the day when in reality the love of money is the main factor nothing happens and the Earth is being killed and plundered.
"Well, here I think we have to go back to the fundamental evil of the capitalist system. The idea that you have to subject yourself to a master for most of your waking life. It's considered, it's called taking, having a job. Having a job means you subordinate yourself to arbitrary control of a totally unaccountable master for most of your waking life, who has the kind of controls that Stalin never dreamed of." -Noam
58:45 Unbelievable statistics.
7:30 * TRUTH
As an interim strategy cannot open source software not be held in ownership by cooperative common wealth trusts registered in various countries , with the right to charge those who seek to privatise/enclose benefits to themselves. These trusts can have the right waive any charges to those who work for the common benefit. Perhaps these instruments already exist in some form. DiEM might think of having branches that develop democratic enterprises that can function within the world as it is, as pioneering stepping stones to something different. Much can be learned from past mistakes and hopefully can evolve beyond being utopian.
He's basically a full blown wizard now
To win this fight, better public relations might help...
Beyond capitalism sounds like anarchy and chaos to the establishment.
@@jimbodriver1015
I see...
You suggest being stupid about it. Clever...
It is so sad the the intellectual elite are currently (in this system) not the voices heard by the majority. It is the financial elite, which is not an authority in human benefit or reasonability at all.
One thing Ann Pettifor mentioned 38:38, which was great, was to transform international benefits from 1% Masters to the 99% laborers to benefit. The truth is, in the bigger picture 100% of the world will benefit from switching to labor focus because it wouldn't force everyone to self destruct for the sake of a few people's OCD to maintain their addiction to money and power.
We usually, in societies, lock people up who have mental illnesses that are harmful to themselves and others. The problem is that this is the dangling carrot in the rat race everyone has bought into in the modern zeitgeist, so it is hard for people to look down on this and want to penalize it, given it is the illusion of success.
You cannot have convenience without fossil fuels. When this generation shows a willingness to abandon convenience in a real sense, there may be hope. Use candles and ride a horse. Grow your own food. If not, it's all talk.
44:00 *
Thank for simplifying today's complex societies created by the quantitative easing ....
Hello thanks smart talk the world is in The Great Global Chance. I would love to talk with such speakers thinkers to help improve the change of the earth. The world is changing... The world may be already a new one world of what world was somewhere in past. We people must better ourselves and so others and the interactions what will change the world. Greetings. Communication is the basic key.
The proprietors of a resource are the people who routinely interact with it. Who owns Facebook? With no intellectual property, no owns the software, but some people are better able than others to maintain and extend it. Other people own web servers and network equipment. These people reach agreements.
36:27 *
Capital isn't nationalistic, why should we be ?
Perhaps capital should be?
Groovist anarchy: we all must insure that each person is “cozy” enough to surrender to The One, entrain, & Groove!!
Already jointed DIEM25
Imagine if these folks knew about bitcoin.
It confounds me how our civilization fails to confront the climate crisis when we are in possession of the requisite technology to create a sustainable civilization on planet earth.The stumbling block is the existence of a Frankstein economic system that has dispensed with all rationality and ethical responsibility. I am glad I was born shortly after WW 2. If I was a Millennial I would probably be on opiates because the future is looking bleaker and bleaker. Cop 26 was the turning point where the government's consciously choose exinction if the only know life in the Universe. Insanity.
How does it confound you that we can solve climate change and ecological collapse or continue with capitalism, not both. Our governments have chosen the latter route, and trying to use technology to make a perpetual growth consumption based socioeconomic system compatible with the immutable physics of a finite world showing on their part a pathetically woeful understanding of basic physics, is monumentally stupid. The laws of thermodynamics are very clear on why in a closed system such as earth, it is a catastrophic idea to use the machine that makes the mess to create machines to clean up that mess.
Trying to use technology to make capitalism compatible with the physics required for humanity to have a viable future, is akin to putting your best footwear on to help you run up a near vertical landslide. Nature will bury you eventually.
Could we use UN to organize international labor?
17:00
Yanis doesn't really let Ann Pettifor speak halfway through the conversation. He cut her off a couple of times, just when she was making impotant points.
what are you implying?
you noticed that too, huh? mansplaining. not to mention dismissing her points about Bretton Woods. It doesn't help she's combative as hell and doesn't have any decent points besides catchy terms like that i mentioned.
statuesque by sleepers a song !!!!!??
Let's go Brandon!
oh damn liberals pwned!!!!!!!!!
Trump 2024
Turn key for combustion.. think about that.💸
43:04 "these are not laws of nature" i almost cried