As someone who deployed to Iraq with the 101st Airborne and carried an M4 with a round in the chamber I dont fault anyone for not or think any less of them. They put a discharge barrel just inside the front gate of every compound to clear your weapon into as you enter a secure area so as to avoid accidental discharges. I've seen men of every rank and background I've seen hard core infantry for life types I've seen em all check to ensure their weapon is safe and accidentally discharge into the barrel. I'm talking guys who have done it every day sometime several times a day for months have slipped up and had an accidental discharge. So yea you can think you're the most professional bad ass well trained firearms expert with more guns at home than a small army but that shit doesn't matter if the one time you dont have your mind where it should be cause your spouse or child is sick or was in a car accident and you go through your reflex moves to clear and safe your weapon and you miss a step and dont even realize it until your ears are ringing and hopefully you haven't put a hole in yourself or anyone else.
There is no such thing as an accidental discharge. It's a negligent discharge if a firearm discharges when not intended. The only accidental discharge is either a weapon malfunction from a defect in the firearm,or you've somehow been bumped somehow while your booger hook was on the bang switch. Anything else is NEGLIGENCE on the operators part.
@@firstgoinpostal negligent or accidental whatever you like to call it. The idea that every gun owner will always be flawless in how they handle their firearm is a bit overly optimistic to me. To me the added layer of safety that a DA/SA trigger offers to carrying a firearm with a round in the chamber is what makes me confident and comfortable carrying daily. And while I support everyone carrying with a round in the chamber for the same reasons is many I also believe if someone doubts their ability to carry that way without a negligent discharge they should still carry without a round in the chamber and train that way. I dont want any firearm death/injury stats going up because of ego or sense of obligation to carry a certain way.
It greatly decreases the situations you can defend yourself, and can result in even more danger for yourself and everyone around you. There is a reason than any expert says to keep a round in the chamber. The only reason you would want to carry without a round in the chamber is inexperience... so suggest they get experience rather than encouraging a bad method. If someone was only ok with carrying a pistol fully disassembled, would you say that is the wrong way from a tactical standpoint? We have to learn from those who have gone before us, and too many people have died because of a slow draw, and having to rack the slide makes you slower in every situation... and forget a surreptitious draw.
@Warren: Racking the slide ALWAYS slows down your draw. You will need more of a window to draw than you would with a round in the chamber. Carrying your pistol in your hand is about the dumbest analogy I can think of. You would have to take into account having your hands free, other people's reactions to you, and being the first target. Having the fastest draw possible gives you the best odds at survival. Adding anything to it decreases the occasions you can safely draw. I would like to hear ANY situation that carrying without a round in the chamber is better that doesn't have to do with experience or negligence.... ANY.
@Warren well said. And training with the fire arm for as long as it takes is what makes the difference. Or they can ask any of us that have served in the Armed Forces.👍👍
@Warren: Well as long as I have your assurance that a four second draw is fine... perhaps give your assurances to the man who died in the church shooting... he had a four second draw and took a chest full of buck shot. Had he had a three second draw, he would likely still be alive. So again. Why would you ever want to add time and movement to a draw? Your excuse seems to be in case of negligence... So again, there aren't any situations that a fast/smooth draw won't work when a fast/rack draw will, but there are plenty the other way around. The industry standard is 2 seconds from concealed, but if you have to rack your slide and the other person doesn't, you lose. If the bad guy has a 2 second draw, and you have a two second draw but you also have to rack your slide, you have to pray for a bad shot. Why knowingly put yourself in that situation? The chances of you ever having to pull your firearm is one in a million, but you still go to the range... why? Because you prepare for the worst and hope for the best. There are plenty of ways to carry a firearm, but there are also right ways and wrong ways, bad ways and better ways. If you follow the firearm safety rules, you won't have any negligent discharges... so the only reason not to carry your pistol with one in the chamber is lack of experience or lack of confidence in your ability. Both can get you killed if you ever have to use your firearm. Watch all of the videos available online of people having to use their firearm... count how many have time to rack their slide. Now count how many die or lose the battle to the first hit because their firearm wasn't ready. There is a very good reason that you cannot find a firearms instructor who will suggest carrying your weapon without a round in the chamber...
I'm working my way back to carrying hot .I used to be all for carrying hot and used to call others idiots for not chambering . That is until I had a negligent discharge that thankfully didn't result in injury. It can happen to anyone . For those that say otherwise , I was in your shoes once. Like I said I'm working back to carrying hot but I have been taking it easy since my incident. Literally was exactly like this guy lol
I agree, that’s why most military require a thumb safety on striker fire pistols. It’s just another layer of protection. It’s like having a seatbelt and an airbag instead of just one or the other.
Theirs 2 types of gun people, the ones who had a negligent discharge, and those who HAVEN'T YET had a negligent discharge. I'm not a cop so I don't see or feel the reason to carry hot. Their are pros and cons to both.
How did yours happen? I cant carry live, to me it seems unreasonable for the risk. Like comment above. Im not a cop, it is a lot less likely id need to actually use it
Actually most cops couldn't hit ther own foot . They get about 20 hours of training, and never fire there guns again, thats why they have to mag dump to get a single hit. I've seen it a hundred times when I was swat.
I carry empty chamber for 2.5 years until I was comfortable with a round in the chamber, then I carry hot for almost 2 years. Last month, I had a negligent discharge, thankfully no one was hurt. Starting that day, I went back to empty chamber carry since the chances of a negligent discharge is significantly higher than one would ever need to draw to defend themselves.
You don’t carry your fork with cake already on it? You don’t know what kind of situations where you need it there. People say “ohh violence happens too quick and you don’t have time to not carry your fork hot with cake” and I tell you they are right. I always carry my fork hot and I recommenced you do the same
"Be prepared" has been my motto since serving in Vietnam (1st Inf. Div.), and I always carry one in the pipe, whether the firearm has a de-cocker or a manual safety, I'm 78 now and have never had an "accidental" discharge........... and have been packing for 48 years.
Wow thats so awesome Props for carrying for that long without issues👌In 48 years you've never had any really bad close calls?😧I wanna carry my glock with one in the pipe but I do alot of physical work so im nervous of putting too much pressure on the trigger guard even if its covered😅
@@FirmeVatito702 Being in a war zone with activity in close proximity is completely different from shopping at the local grocery store. Never carry a Glock without it in a professional duty holster if it is condition one. Cocked and locked 1911 is supposed to be condition one.
This kind of slope never ends. You're never as prepared to defend yourself as the guy who just came up behind you and literally stabbed you in the back.
This will never have a definate answer. Its like the argument about 9mm or 45 acp. Just do what makes you feel safe, while ensuring the safety of others
If soemone comes up behind you and stabs you, is it because your headphones were on and your eyes were closed? Survival in a deadly force situation depends on a hiearchy of skills. First, situational awareness. The best-trained and equipped ninja who has his head down staring at a RUclips video with his headphones is defenseless. Second, knowledge of tactics... do you know what to do, and what not to do? Third, skill with the weapon(s) at hand... can you actually use your weapon? Fourth, the choice of weapon... a skilled Escrima practitioner with a 2" knife who gets within contact distance will disembowel a casual concealed-carry person before they can deploy their handgun. Focus on all of these things, while acknowledging that we don't carry concealed because we know we'll need it, we carry just in case we might need it. The fastest draw is to have the gun in your hand just before you actually need it, but you can't run around with a gun in your hand so you have to be situationally aware and understand good tactics. And finally, the less you have to do under stress, the better. Much easier to draw and fire than to draw, rack, and fire. If you're worried about a gun with an active safety, like a 1911, then either get training and practice until you're not worried, or carry a Glock or Sig or Beretta, or a revolver.
You would be surprised. My taekwondo training required us to be sitting in a chair and performing a jump round kick to a practice gun hammer could strike.
I’m new to conceal carry and I don’t carry one in the chamber because I’m afraid of my error. However, you made really great points to the additional training needed, the time it takes to rack the slide, and real-time situation. I definitely rethink how I carry.
When I started carrying again after years I carried on an empty chamber because I didn't feel comfortable.... For one day.... After the first day chicken and unlocked
I'm the same way with my P365, but I realize the benefits of putting a round in the chamber. That's why I'm going to buy a DA/SA next, like the CZ P-01. That long, 16 lb initial trigger pull makes safe enough for me to carry with a round in the chamber.
I carried without one chambered for quite some time. I carry chambered now. I liked my ambidextrous safety, now I'm deleting it. After becoming comfortable, I trust me now. I know my gun a lot better. Changes come with experience. Also, my gun never leaves my side.
Situational awareness beats all. Some have it, some will end up a victim for lack of it. The odds of ever having to shoot someone is slim for most people. Don't be cocky and go to places with a gun that you would not go to without a gun. Its like jerks that drive fast as hell in the snow because they have 4 wheel drive. A gun does not make you John Wick. THINK and stay alive.
Exactly, thinking is key. That's why I carry a big bore derringer, loaded with the most ridiculous rounds possible. I'm not trying to get into a gunfight. I just want to fire one or two rounds at the most likely attacker; one man with a knife. If they have a gun, and they're out of my effective range, I run. If I can't escape, I set up a counter-ambush. Simple plans work best.
This is a great topic. And I have a short to share about this particular incident that had happened to me and my family in the past. And note, this incident was based in the comfort of my own home. However before I get started on the story, ill add that I am an everyday carry person as well. Having that being said, this was December 23rd 2021 about 1:50am. My wife and I were sound asleep in our bedroom which is located at the back end of our house. She wakes up in confusion to the sound of 2 men conversing outside our front door, one of the men was talking rather loud and not trying to be stealthy at all where the other man was talking in a much softer tone. So, my wife suddenly wakes me up, says babe I think I hear someone out front trying to get into the house.. I instantly go into recon mode and grab my Smith and Wesson .40 cal off the night stand near me. Which I knew had a live round in the chamber followed by 15 rounds in the magazine. It was holstered from carrying it previously the day before, so I removed the holster and had it drawn, safety off. As I crawl out of bed and stealthily make my way into the hallway while in pitch black darkness, I can see the ambient light of my stove clock reflecting on the sliding glass door. The light suddenly blacks out, and it was at that point, I knew someone has made their way inside the house. I slowly step backwards back into the edge of our bedroom, explain to my wife that she needs to get down on the ground, crawl to the bathroom lock the door, keeps the lights off, and call the 911. So she starts to do so. I ease back out of the bedroom into that are hallway I was in before, and I hit my knees with my back to the wall, pistol drawn, and start to slowly move down the hallway toward the living room area. Our security system automatically locks the doors after 30 seconds at anytime between 10pm-5am so I now have the 2 guys trapped inside my house with me and my frantic wife. I remotely turn on our electric fireplace which spooks the guys and they turn for the front door not knowing they can't get out of the house. They quickly realize that they are stuck and I stand up out of nowhere right behind both of them with my 40 cal to one man's head instructing them to get on the ground and reminding them that they cannot exit the house without my code entry. So I get one guy on the ground and gunpoint, the other guy kicks me in the head while I was knelt down detaining the first guy. I get up discharge my firearm into the floor and tell him to get down on the ground once again. He does not comply and began fighting me once again, I discharged a second shot point blank into his hip because he was on top of me and I felt threatened for my life. He falls off of me, guy number one is still on the ground afraid to be shot at, so he's listening to instructions the entire time. I ask him what his intentions were for breaking into my home, he responded they were after the Christmas gifts and maybe some small electronics. I said to him he picked the wrong house to try that out at. Shortly the police arrived to my house, take full control of the situation, temporarily confiscated my firearm until the entire event was finished. Got everything on camera inside and outside the house. The police said I did the best thing I could do to protect my family and home. Returned my pistol to me, and arrested both the men. Bottom line is that you are right.. it happens so fast and sometimes you don't have the extra second available to rack a slide in the event of a violent emergency. I haven't had to use any of my firearms in that manor at all in my life until that day and haven't since, but at the time, the only thought that goes through my head was don't pull that trigger.. and did. It was the best decision I've ever made in the terms of line of duty. Be careful folks, and better yet, be prepared. You just never know what people will do.
It happened fast for you that's true. But you would have had more than enough time to put a round in the chamber in this case. And that is a good example for when I personally want a round round in the chamber. I just don't want it when I'm driving around/walking/shopping with my iwb holster.
(After the intense confrontation where I shot a guy moments earlier...to the other guy too scared to even move) "I asked him what his intentions were in breaking into my house..." "🎁🎁🎁🎁🎁" "Wrong house," boiiii Dialogue (and a fight scene) worthy of John Wick himself. Lol, but it DEFINITELY happened!
@Michael Freestone Weapon malfunctions happen. It's a fact of life. You can have all the competence and caution in the world and it still won't help with that. Having one in the chamber is completely useless: either they get the jump on you and you're already dead or you hear them coming and you'll have the 0.5 second it takes to get ready.
@Michael Freestone I've never been in a firefight. But still, logic applies here. What tf do you care of I keep one in the chamber or not? Arguing about this is like arguing weather to put your hands at ten and two or twelve and three.
@Michael Freestone STFU. My opinions is just as good as your own. It's up to people themselves to decide what they want to do. Not me, and CERTAINLY not you. I don't give a flying FK how someone carries and neither should you as long as it's safe. So stfu with your dumbass bullshit.
What's worse: an unskilled guy carrying unchambered or someone who THINKS they're skilled carrying chambered? The fact is most people are unskilled, and those who decide to carry unchambered are making a responsible decision to minimize risk.
this is my thought, it's a risk analysis of your skill vs the likelihood of danger. if you are a cop or a soldier or a cashier at an inner city liquor store maybe you go hot, but cruising the walmart dairy when you have not been to the range in 15 months might not be the time to have one in the chamber.
Totally I agree. Concealed carry is about your safety and protecting it. There’s nothing wrong with going at your own pace. Could just one extra second save your life in that moment? Yes, but only if you are armed to begin with. Also there are handguns that are known to discharge without the trigger being pressed like the sig p320.
I agree that caring with a round in the chamber is being much more prepared then without, but it's better than not having any protection at all. I also believe that everyone should know their limitations and carry accordingly but should strive to improve them as well.
Yes. Carry what you are comfortable with. i don't usually carry but when I do, my vintage Colt snub nose 38 revolver has 6 loaded firing chambers, all ready to go at a moment's notice. No slide to rack or safety to disengage.
@@gojohnnygo6869 While working as an armed security guard years ago, company policy only allowed us to carry 6 shots 38 revolvers. My partners and I had a lot of practice shooting revolvers so we never felt undergunned at that time. That's why I still prefer revolvers over semi-auto pistols.
If you are in high risk job for sure. At home no 1 can walk into my home. Lot of time at home to rack. Its all about how you feel and train. No 1 ever talks about not panicking . Ex police Army hope well trained. Until it happen stress and panic is worse than not 1 in the chamber?
In the Army they taught us a 1911 was to be carried with a round in the chamber and the weapon cocked and locked, that was 55 years ago and I still carry my 1911 cocked and locked today.
Oh no the bad guys are gonna get you!! Your not at war goober!! Your that guy on that video who shot himself in the leg trying to be John Wayne or Doc Holiday! God damn it I just shot myself!!HAHA
someone said they carry empty chamber because "I DON'T WANT TO BE ABLE TO SHOOT FASTER THAN I CAN THINK" this was the smartest comment I saw on this whole video
You do you and I will do me! I have been shooting for 35 years going to the range 2 times a week and I’m in no way scared to carry with one in the pipe but I do for my reasons like having that extra second to decide whether to act and in most situations you have a few seconds. In a scary situation it’s possible to pull the trigger pre maturely as you are pulling from the holster, it’s always interesting to hear so many people try and say certain ways are incorrect when they have never been in an actual situation. We should all support one another instead of suggesting a person is scared or doesn’t have enough training because they do things differently.
You're right but if you need the extra time to rack the slide to decide if you're life is at stake, it just might be too late. I'd rather make that decision before I draw. But like you said, whatever works for you. Only you can decide what's best for you.
"In a scary situation it’s possible to pull the trigger pre maturely" how does this happen unless you're negligent though? You're pulling the gun out of the holster, how in the hell is it getting its trigger pulled?
Here’s how I look at it. Could I draw and rack the slide before someone with similar speed and strength as myself could reach me from 10 meters? Hell no. I’m extremely fast on my feet, and so are most criminals. If I was about to attack someone, and even suspect that they could have a weapon, I’m hitting them from behind. You ain’t Rambo, and you will die in your first encounter doing that stupid shit. Carry with a round in the chamber, and stfu.
I Sorta Do stay awake when I sleep.... aggressive shouting going on? I’m awake. Sneak in my room? I’m awake. Walk calmly into my room & you’ll only know I’m there cos the snoring will continue.
Great video, thanks. Oddly, your mall shooter scenario has since unfolded. IDK if he had one in the chamber, but shots were fired at others first. And given the 40 yard through a food court distance that the CCW owner had to shoot and lack of any bystanders hit, I’m guessing the crowd had indeed parted. Violence can certainly blindside; but one may have a moment, too. You hit the nail on the head, however, it comes down to knowing one’s self. If you’re comfortable carrying but not comfortable cocked and locked, you’re still an asset to the rest of us. I’d rather be in that mall with CCW carriers who don’t have one in the chamber than with no good citizens who are carrying, any day.
Plus he took that guy down in one shot. I saw a video taken from the exact angle the citizen was standing and his view of where the shooter was. I consider myself a decent shooter but this guy was dead on target, literally, in a chaotic, stressful situation and took care of business. Even the cop in the video describing the situation was impressed with the good guy's skill. And by the way, I've been to that mall. Luckily I didn't have to shoot anyone.
@@matts.1042 really? It seems like mass shootings happen so often, they don't even make the news anymore. I'm shocked anyone outside of Greenwood heard about it. The bullet holes are still in the walls in that place
I think they're not ready for any confrontation and if you rely on them you're not gonna like the results when they shoot you in all the mayhem. Do you REALLY think that person is ready for combat with a shooter in a public place who isn't even confident in their own skills to be any real benefit? The gun is window dressing and the person is probably a liberal. There...I said it.
Jason Dubya-DEEZNUTS a Glock 19??! How DARE you give that to a child. You make me sick. You don’t want him to grow up and be a pussy. AT LEAST a .45 or .357. Anything under that and your 14 month old is basically a soy boy
Tony rinaldo, yup! Excellent point. When I first started carrying (Sig P938) I carried hammer cocked, thumb safety on, but on an empty chamber. Eventually I got confident that the hammer wouldn’t fall accidentally so now I wouldn’t think of not carrying hot but for some people it takes time to get to that level.
Such Ignorance Abounds here. You Always carry with one in the Chamber OR Use your Gun as a fishing weight. While Hunting do you have a round Chambered or do you make a lot of noise Racking a round into the Chamber. I THOUGHT SO !! !
I've always carried (concealed) with a round chambered. When I started carrying my father taught me with, and I carried, his Colt 1911 for 2 years. Not gonna lie, I was nervous at first, but the more I trained with that weapon, the more comfortable I was with it. After 3 or 4 months, it was a non-issue. When I purchased MY first side arm for conceal carry, I looked at and shot a dozen or so weapons before I decided on the Springfield XDS in 9mm. I have never been concerned about carrying with a chambered round. Personal preference, I guess, but I carry and train to be prepared for any situation. I don't have to think about my weapon. I know it's there and ready as soon as I need it! Great topic and great chanel! Thank you!
@@meencz The consequences of the empty chamber is possibly YOUR life. The consequences of a negligent discharge is likely someone else's life. Yes, they are very different. If all that matters to you is YOUR life,, then by all means, carry hot.
1. I live in a European country where neither I nor any of my friends and family ever were in a situation which requires you to have a gun to protect yourself, maybe there are some bad cities and neighbourhoods in the US but for the most part I would assume that it is not a lot more dangerous than Europe. 2. As you said carrying a fully loaded gun takes way more situational awareness and training, in my point of view this is the part where it becomes work, like always making sure nothing happens with your gun, being on edge, checking your surroundings always scanning for potential threats. That is basically the same a police officer does and they get paid to do it, as it is work. Now why would I spend my Saturday afternoon or any other day when I have some leisure time, being all paranoid about potential danger never relaxing, when I can also just live my life instead as mentioned in 1. ? 3. Now lets assume I see a realistic chance that I would get into some sort of fight where I would need to carry in order to defend myself or others, over 90% of the time when the other guy would get the drop on me before I have chambered my gun, I dare to say they would have also got me on the draw. This ain't the wild west, if you are focused by the attacker you want get out of sight preferably behind cover or if possible you want to deescalate, drawing when you are already being focused might very well get you killed. And if you are not in focus of the attacker or you just escaped it, you have time to draw and chamber the gun. Bottom line of what I am saying, I don't see the advantage of a chambered gun as significant enough, that I would prioritize it over they peace of mind I have in regards to safety when the chamber is empty. Like I see the chance of a hostile encounter where I would need a gun rather slim and of those potential situations there is such a small fraction of scenarios where the split seconds saved by not having to chamber a round, really matter. But I will give you that, if you assume that something is going happen and you want to be prepared as good as possible, carrying fully loaded is the way to go. The reasons above are just my reasons why I wouldn't want to do it.
Bad things happen to good people every day regardless of where you live. I know 3 women that have been molested, 3 people that have died in accidents, one person I went to school with was killed by someone else, my dad was held up at gunpoint in a parking lot in daylight by an acquaintance set on killing him, and there's been a recent murder in my town. Having the mindset that "just because it hasn't happened to me or someone I know yet means it won't ever happen" just means that if it does, you'll be entirely unprepared because you can't even fathom the possibility or take any precautions. You're exactly the kind of person evil people like.
idk about you but people assuming just bc you live in EU you're safe you are just being straight up delusional, almost every EU country had terror attacks, and one I'll never forget was the 17 august one if i could i would always carry a gun with one in the chamber, its useless carrying if you still have to pull the slide down and assume someone else armed will wait for you to load one, never assume you're "too safe" nothing happens until shit hits the fan and everyone goes :0 could never have known! well, you could have chosen to prepare yourself before! and in my country majority of cops lack training due to mediocre training and ammo limits per month for training
@Roman Any place with a town inhabited by people; California, Mexico, etc., doesn't really matter where. It's the unprepared that these things happen to, which are tragically the most innocent people, like your high school kids, college students, newlywed couples, and grandparents. It doesn't take much life experience or research to learn that we inhabit a planet with places, people and animals that would sooner kill you than look at you, regardless of where you live. Now I'm in the semi-rural southern US. I've chosen to live in a place now where I can take my fate into my own hands, backed up by my friends from similar walks of life, and I suggest everyone else does too. Self responsibility and dependability is the only guarantee you have in life.
I don't know why anyone would rely on "trust" for their safety. That's absolutely absurd. You can have all the training in the world, and a gun you know is reliable, and an accident can still happen. If you don't think things can go wrong, you're a different type of moron.
I don't know why anyone would trust a firearm as a concealed carry that has to be carried cocked to be deployed quickly. Get an SA/DA pistol, they were expressly made to be safe in everyday carry while still being quick to deploy.
In some cases, because one cannot afford a reliable, "trustworthy" gun. German steel is expensive, and no one would blame you for keeping an empty chamber on an aluminium frame 100US$ Bersa
Yea as soon as I open my front door before work I just let off a couple rounds, even at work while opening my draw I'll let of a lil desk pop just incase those pencils and erasers dont jump me, safety first nah mean
@@JS-pw8nr aye that’s how some of these gun guys be actin sometimes like it’s always good to be prepared but holy hell I watch some of these videos and these people act like there walking into an ffa match each time they leave there house 😂 these comments actually are funny asab
Yes having one ready and just needing to pull the trigger is 100% ideal for when the moment comes, but for the 99.99999999999999% of the rest of the time, empty chamber makes my very forgetful brain feel better. Now there are times I have one ready, but most of the time I’m not in a place that needs that.
I agree with this as well I usually chamber one depending on where I'm at like beale street in Memphis I'm concealed with one in the chamber dangerous city also st.louis ... Gangsters muggers and thugs are not going to give you a chance to cock your weapon
@Tom Barker I carry an XD-9 that doesn't have a safety switch or a hammer. I take comfort in the fact that I can walk around with my weapon (that I can rack in half a second) unlike weapons that do have a safety and a hammer and are carried in "Condition One" and not have to worry about blowing my own balls off because of some freak incident.
Before I go to the mall, I call an artillery strike on it so that all potential threats are neutralized. I won't be able to react if the shopping carts suddenly attack me.
Great video! Thanks for posting. As with anything, there are, at least, 2 ways to look at things. I, 100%, agree with you. But when I first started carrying, many decades ago, it was all so new to me. I carried unchambered. With much practice, I became good at chambering upon un-holstering. That's great at the range or at the house with dummy rounds. I enjoyed the practice. But, range time and controlled environments are not the real world, and sometimes, you're not going to have both hands available. Then where are you? Kids, unloading a vehicle, fighting someone off who blindsides you, can make for some very unique situations. As I got better and more confident, I started carrying with a chambered weapon. I would not criticize anyone who doesn't follow that logic, but, for me, I would rather be at the ready, than caught off-guard with no way of defending myself or my loved ones. I applaud anyone who carries and exercises their 2nd Amendment rights. If you feel safer not having your sidearm locked and loaded, God love ya. Keep on doing what makes you feel safe and secure.
I personally carry condition 1. As a retired U.S. Marine I feel that I served to do my part in helping the American people have the freedom to make their own decisions. If you feel comfortable carrying condition 3, DO IT. Do whatever makes you feel safe and comfortable. Wether you are carrying a firearm, riding a motorcycle, etc, we all accept some level of risk. YOU have to determine what level you are willing to accept. Be safe out there guys!
110%. Even carrying C4 would be better than not carrying at all. Carrying a 5-shot snub nose is better than _not_ carrying a 1911 because it's too bulky and makes your pants sag. Carrying single action black powder cap & ball would be better than not carrying a semi-auto because of local regulations or availability. Carrying a "big stick" is better than nothing at all. And having a first aid kit is more likely to come in handy than any weapon. It's good to gain knowledge, training, and comfort, but don't let those stand in the way of doing what you can do.
Agree completely. I understand full well if I am in a situation if I have to be a quick draw to live I am toast. I think in that case my chances of survival are slim anyway even getting it out of concealed carry fast enough even if it was C&L. It's simply safer for myself and family that way. More chances to hurt yoursrelf or others compared to odds of ever having to use one any way. That's my opinion and what my CC instructor said was method.
True, activity train each week and hit a range helps 100%. The army we aren't allowed to carry chambered. In boot camp at night in the Fort Benning fox holes. We had during supper time break had 10-20 accidental discharges going off left and right of me. Someone would get a meal, sit down, and boom. We had blanks with a blank adapter on! Texas two accidents from open carry from wounded warrior program get together that ended that outing and program event. In both incidents, they lost their foot. One mile down my road apartment, the guy had glock the same way kill his neighbor taking his holster off. A shot through a wall hit a dude in the head. All you chambered guys doing more than military or John wick, should know. Can end up in jail, is so comfortable chambered worth living. I don't do wheelies on the highway, but all guts I know who do also carry with a chambered round. Condition 3 is okay if you are trained to know what happening around you, condition 1 is for red zones only. I will carry from condition 3 to 1 depending on my environment and situation. 99% it's always condition 3 due to my military training. Glock 19 is in condition 3 and my 1911 is in condition 2. Because I have seen highly skilled shooters with more training than thousands of hours (special forces or swat) have had a negligent discharge. My prior marine Sgt from the Army in Iraq shot his foot in condition 1 after eating his meal standing up. While on patrol in a red zone he was in condition zero without knowing it. While by regs needed to be in condition one. Condition zero is a glock usually and is what this video wants is sad. Most popular position to be in today, with a nearly huge increase in accidental discharges leading to strict gun laws. Can't stress that if you need a round in the chamber, act that fast. You don't know your environment and are carelessly firing your life away perhaps into second-degree manslaughter. Deadly force is the last decision made while using force. Takes six to ten seconds to establish what's happening to you or a loved one. The only ones that should be on condition zero are security forces or the police. If you put yourself into that situation, into a condition one, probably don't have common sense. The army doesn't do it, marines can't, the Navy can't, and the police can. Because orders are required to shoot back at the enemy by an officer or NCO orders only. Police put themselves by themselves into red zones each day and don't require a report to fire back and they have insurance and lawyers keeping them out of jail. If you can't take five steps back racking a round in one step. If you need condition zero, you're 99% don't have the draw. Criminal or enemy has you at their advantage anyways. 90% of the time, they will do it in a crowd with people behind them. Go John Wayne taking out the crowd behind them. Guess what 😦, live a rest life behind bars. Without ever touching a gun or rifle ever again. Unless you're an officer of the law. The enemy wants to draw on you first. You'll never find your finger on the trigger before it's lights out. Chambered or not.
@@bloodgain I agree with you 100% give them what they want! Before your finger will get near a trigger, the enemy has already taken your life or criminal. All they want is cash and a car, no life has that value on it. Chambered is idiotic because you can't fire without situational awareness. Before that happens, the criminal has the first draw chambered or not. Don't pull a chambered gun with a gun to your head. Unless you're highly skilled at counter-terrorism warrior at your first job past ten years deployed. Cops should be the only ones chambered ready condition one or zero. I'm at 3 100% from a warzone in the Army. Seen too many soldiers shoot themselves from both sides of the war. Thinking like this guy in the video. If you don't know your gun control. No one here knows gun control 100%, any instructor who had enough training at 100% and stops training, is the first to have a negligent discharge. People with issues hammer down by sight, scare me because they think they are trained enough! 100% no one can teach them anything and I bet they fire their guns once a month instead of every other day. If that.
Veterans and military never fought for freedom...You fought banker elites war with a false narrative...Thank you for your bravery but the whole thank you for your service Is a disgusting lie they told you. Good day sir.
It’s actually a cool thing you can do. If someone is standing 21 feet away and starts running (21 foot rule) your odds of getting shots on target before it reaches you increase exponentially. I’ve seen live fire demonstrations of this with moving targets. Now you can argue the validity of this, but at that distance, it is reasonable to say you wouldn’t notice the attacker until they start running. You carry how you want, but it is a fact that carrying chambered results in a faster reaction time and is therefore better for a response to an attack. If you feel uncomfortable with a loaded chamber, fine. Just know that with a good holster, the gun is not going to go off.
Thats what im saying, is that you shouldn't be trying to quickdraw people, if you are in a situation where you have been caught in a dangerous situation with your weapon in its holster, and your survival depends on less than a second reaction times, you're dead already.
The thing is and I know you didn't bring it up bug I dont know why people open carry like you have the right to and I dont want to control that bug why do pepole want to advertise that they have a gun
@@juanmeza958 if multiple people in an area are open carrying, then the chances of crime drop exponentially as there is a threat that cannot be beaten alone or even with multiple people unless there is perfect coordination. If a single person is, it would make them a target sure, but for many criminals, they would just wait until they leave as some don’t want to knowingly throw their life away. Personally, I go concealed all day. More for the people around me than potential attackers honestly, because In my state, people have little experience with firearms and I don’t feel like explaining to the cops what is happening every time I got shopping. There are benefits to both methods, and it’s up to the individual to pick what they value more. To sum it up simply: Open: puts a target on you, but crime is less likely to happen Concealed: Nothing preventing someone from committing a crime, but you are not more of a target and have element of surprise.
@@juanmeza958 if you are in a very pro 2a state where everyone and their mother is packing, then open carry could very much be beneficial as you would likely have multiple people in a given area all carrying, turning crime into suicide at that point.
Hahahaha, I know right, but carrying without one in the pipe makes you have to grab it all the way out of your backseat before knight style hanging the rpg out of the car
Training usually solves most of these issues. The more comfortable you get with your firearms functions, the more confidence you will have. Just don’t let comfortability replace respect.
@Steven Piaia So what you say statistically Speaking Wyoming is full of Ignorant People who don't know the Difference between Themselves and A Criminal Up to No Good. Hmmm Remind me if I decide to turn from Law Enforcement to becoming a Criminal I need to Move from Texas to Wyoming. Gottcha.
Then NEVER get into a gun fight... oh, that's right, you won't have a choice and you won't have time to think before having to defend yourself. Your chamber being empty is going to get you killed IF the time ever comes.
Accidental discharges due to a holster were a lot more common back in the day, most people shouldn't be worried about having one in the chamber with modern kydex holsters
When it comes to firearms, it isn't to each is their own. There is a proper way to do it. Always carry a round in the chamber. If you are not comfortable then train until you are.
Some things are merely a matter of personal opinion. This is not. 1) Anything that slows you down in a deadly defensive encounter increases your chance of not surviving that encounter. One's personal opinion might get one dead. 2) I have several pistols that come out of the safe for cleaning and range trips. That's it. I don't trust them as defensive weapons. If you don't trust your gun enough to carry it and to carry it the way it was designed to be carried, DON'T CARRY IT.
You are 100% more likely to accidently fire a round off because one is in the chamber, than you EVER are of actually needing to use your weapon quick enough to need a round already chambered. This is fact I was in the Army, deployed to the front lines of Afghanistan. Our soldiers were constantly firing rounds due to accidental discharge. If the most trained people do it, so will you (whoever is reading this).
Yeah but in case you do need to leave quickly with your truck, your life ain't gonna depend on it, and it's not gonna happen all in less than 2 seconds. You get up your bed, dress up I guess, go to your truck, put it on drive and go. Doesn't matter if you take 1, or 2, or 30, or 150 seconds more than you'd want to.
Accidents happen all the time and usually to those that say that could never happen to me The reason why the Isralies train with an empty chamber is an extra level of safety and the momentary pause racking a shell into the chamber gives you an extra split second of intent to decide if you really have to use deadly force or not It's also because in the Early Days of the IDF the recruit's we're not always familiar with the many different types of weapons, particularly the numerous side arms that they had available to them
Israeli’s don’t even do the “Israeli carry” anymore. They used to do it when they had dozens of different handguns and not all of them were drop safe and they couldn’t standardize training for each pistol. Now they all use Glocks and CZ clones and carry with a round in the chamber
I carry on an empty chamber because I believe the chance of something bad happening to me or my loved ones from that chambered round is greater than the chance I will be in a situation where I don’t have time to chamber a round. To each their own.
Same, I know I'm accident prone and clumbsy so i just don't trust myself enough. It's better than not caring at all. Although i will carry a gun hot if it has a safety switch like my p938
It's best to carry regardless of your methods. However, my belief is that you won't have an indecent if you follow safety rules when carrying one in the chamber. The biggest issue with not carrying in the chamber isn't time... It's that there's a significant chance the incident/adrenaline will leave you inducing a malfunction when racking the slide OR you don't have a hand free (because you might be pushing off an attacker).
Y'all are gonna find this funny, but here's how I got over my reluctantance of carrying with a round in the chamber: Even after some training, I still felt a little weird about it. I carry one of a couple of Canik 9mms, or a RIA Ultra 1911. One day, I decided to start carrying all of my guns racked and ready to fire (cocked and locked on the 1911), but without a round in the pipe. This way, I felt I was giving myself adequate proof that guns don't simply go off mysteriously, without the proper shooting procedure being applied beforehand. If anything were to happen, I'd simply get a "click" rather than a "bang". I walked around like this for two weeks, actually trying to get the thing to "click" by simply going about my everyday routine, but also arrantly allowing my sidearm to bump into things, and basically doing everything wrong. You know what happened? Nothing. I never got a click. As a last-ditch effort to make the guns do the wrong thing, I actually took naps wearing every one of them individually (without magazines this time), just to see if that would do it. Nope. Turns out, guns are pretty darned safe. I now carry with a round in the chamber religiously, never giving it a second thought. Go ahead and roast me, but it really worked for me.
just got my first gun.. looks like I just need to run that bitch ready to rock and roll.. being careful of course but helll yea, excited to shoot this thing and practice
I used to carry empty, thinking "If I don't have half a second to chamber a round, I'm really in trouble." Then I watched a bunch of actual gunfights on the Active Self Protection channel. I realized how fast these things go down, and that it's not half seconds which decide gunfights. It's tenths of seconds. When the attack starts, you definitely are really in trouble. Needless to say, I carry hot now.
Hi, I did 3 years in IDF and do active reservist service on a yearly basis. In regards to "Israeli" carry, soldiers carry in condition 1 while being in dangerous areas in the line of duty, and con 2 (nowdays) in safe areas. Back when I served more than a decade ago we'd not even be allowed to have the mag in while in safe areas, nowadays they use a fake plastic round in the chamber and have the mag inserted. It's for gun handling & safety reasons, but I never felt the need to have a mag in, much less a round in the chamber say, driving in a bus or walking the mall while not at base. I always felt that if I'm not immediately dead and shot in the face, I'd be able to take cover and 2-4 seconds to load my gun, even without the mag in. But also, I don't think Israel's situation and USA's should be compared...It's an entirely different situation and danger. I would carry without a bullet in the chamber though, accidents happen. Bad/cheap manufacturing happens. And crazy people happen. and also, a scenario I didn't hear brought up in the vid: What if some crazy person pulls your gun out while you're distracted or/and got both hands occupied? con 1, he's ready to go man...but con 2, you still got time. That's my 2 cents and unbiased thoughts.
Depends if you're allowed to conceal carry. If it's open it's very important to make sure nobody gets close enough to it, and use a lvl 2 or 3 holster. Even concealed I don't like people walking up behind.
8 years of carrying with one in the chamber and I've never had an incident.... not even close. The most important thing that I did when I first purchased my CPL weapon was to field strip it over and over until I could do it blindfolded. Then I trained with drawing my weapon from a holster repeatedly from different positions. Then I began to train with live ammunition from varying positions. If you're going to carry a weapon, you must know the exact capabilities of yourself and your weapon, at all times.
Yes! I personally like the ELMS G-Sight dry firing system for exactly that reason. To learn how the trigger feels and the draw. I've also improved on my accuracy and grouping. That has helped me when practicing with live rounds. I'm a 35 year old woman and have fired many types of guns over the years. But I only just now purchased my own gun last year. Field stripping it was the first thing I did as well. Then practicing my dry fire with the G-Sight, draw from holster, and then range training with it. I just purchased my 2nd, and did the same with that. I'm glad you've never had an encounter. But you never know. I explained to my Gramps that a gun is like a condom. It's best to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
@@ryananthony7115 define old ammo. When I was in kuwait we were issued ammo that was manufactured for the vietnam war and it worked perfectly fine. Ammo is not like a slab of bacon or something that goes bad, if you keep it dry and in a moderate climate it could easily last 50+ years and does.
@@marloncienfuegos1556 its got the risks for both sides of the argument. Its your gun to choose how you want to use it as long as its legal and always safe
FryingPanHead it’s not always user error, I can link you three different RUclips videos showing you this. Two of them where they racked the slide and misfired and another where a semi auto so gets stuck in full auto while shooting. If you don’t believe me and want to see for yourself just leave a reply and I’ll go find the tree videos I was talking about and link them back to you
I'd disagree. I don't have an issue with carrying one in the chamber as a rule. It's generally safe. But first off...if you were in an active shooter scenario like he described it would literally be the opposite of what he said. If you are 1 of 200 people in his line of sight, most likely you'd have time to react. You're first move should be to get to cover in that scenario anyways. If you had someone with a weapon out and your first reaction was to draw you're already dead. Violence rarely happens out of nowhere. In most scenarios there is always a buildup. I don't know who this guy is but he's simply defending his personal opinion. That's it. If you needed to pull the weapon and fire in a fraction of a second, you're probably already missed multiple signs.
There is no cover at a supermarket you're going to hide behind a potato chips and lose your life. Don't tell me the freezers because you can't get behind them 90% of the time and when it breaks out you better know every inch of that supermarket there are too many places and too many scenarios where an unchambered weapon is going to cost you, either your life or someone you're trying to protect. And I've only been carrying for 50+ years. My credentials include starting with national match competition long before I was 13 years old. As I got older and got into ipsc in other types of shooting. I'm not going to go into my work overseas. Yes people have discharges negligent mostly. I have yet to have one of those and I hope it never happens to me but I would never support the idea of carrying an empty weapon because you fear a negligent or accidental discharge. Train train and train again. I train nearly daily I live on a piece of property where I have that luxury. I've trained with SRT and other. The point of trying to make is if you're responsible if you're careful if you keep your weapon and top shape and negligent discharge is something that may never happen. Again it's your responsibility to keep your weapon in the top functioning shape as well as yourself. I've carried every day for more than a half century there is no time off. And when I'm 80 years old I probably still will be carrying one of the things that I did the most is train people out of a passion to keep firearms safe and keep people safe. the well-oiled machine is not only the weapon it's also the person behind it. I carry 1911 almost exclusively for the last half century I have carried a Glock 21 due to contractual obligations. For the most part I carry two 1911s, and on some occasion I carry a revolver usually my 357 Magnum 2 and 5/8 in model 19 with some fairly high penetrating rounds for the most obvious of reasons. I carry an SBR in the truck with me. None of these ever separate a negligent or accidental discharge. It's your choice when I have to go to condition red I don't want to be racking a slide or fumbling with a hammer which can create a negligent discharge in itself.
So say you get mugged and don’t have both your hands..can you rack the slide. If you don’t trust your holster and your safeties you have to realize you’re taking on way more risk.
This argument can go on forever. You will always have people defending one position or the other. I used to carry with an empty chamber and 2 years ago I had the luck of being in a group of people who got held up by 2men with pistols. While they began taking wallets and other things of value I waited trying not to draw attention to myself and to what I was doing trying to figure out how to rack my slide without them noticing. The only problem though was the man getting our wallets was paying attention mostly to that task, however his buddy stood back and just stared at us with the constant reminder not to move. At one point the grab man even gave his accomplice his pistol so he could get our stuff quicker. There were several golden opportunities to draw and take him out when he would follow his buddy to put more fear into some stubborn person. Had I been carrying with a bullet on top, I have no doubt I could have ended that threat very quickly. I have been shooting since I was 5 years old, from my daisy red ryder, my first 22 and so on including 20 years in the military. After that incident I now carry with one in the chamber. As bad luck would have it I was given a chance to redeem myself 3 months ago to the date. While waiting in line at this store kind of in the middle of no where In New Mexico to purchase a nice cold Dr. Pepper someone comes in with a gun and demanding money and what not waiving a pistol all over. I waited for an opportunity only this time I had a bullet chambered and ready to go. I was actually hoping that this man get what he came in for, which sempt to be the cash register money and leave. However he grew irrate when there wasn't much money in there and proceeded to fire a round into the ceiling and then two into the floor. He then smashed the cashier's face with his pistol smacking her several times until blood was pooring out of her nose which he had broken. The store which is a mom and pop store been out there on the side of I-25 sits across from Starvation Peak a mountain that is a historic landmark. Now seeing all this blood and the old cashier (the owner) bleeding all over everyone was shaken and as he shouted he was going to kill everyone if she didn't produce more money which they really don't make that much money there anyway, he started demanding the customers wallets and purses shouting, the cash, the cash mother#$#@!@$. I chose my time, drew my pistol slowly acting as if I were getting my wallet. I knew I just had to get it out and it was ready to fire. If I had to chamber a round, he would have seen for sure and it would have gone bad for us and I knew it. I waited for my chance to launch my counter attack. His attention shifted towards another elderly woman who was so petrified with fear could not move. He screamed at her letting go of the cashier and proceeded to strike her in the face with his free hand. It happened quickly as I took a few small steps to get in a position in front of a man who I had been behind, I had used him for concealment, once my line of sight was clear I fired twice striking him both times in the chest. He immediately fell and I quickly moved in on him ready to shoot him again. He had dropped his pistol and I grabbed it. I remember him groining and when he tried to breathe I remember hearing crackling sounds. My loads were 45 Hornady Critical Defence and not to suprisingly to me he had been carrying a Glock 17 loaded to the max, with one in the chamber guys, his ammo, Hornady Critical Defence rounds in 9mm. This man had a warrant in Alabama for attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon, strong armed robbery, felon in possession with a stolen firearm, and on and on. Anyway I learned from these two situatons. I now carry with one in the chamber ready to go. I learned that sometimes in a close up situation, much easier to wait for your opportunity and know your ready to go. These Bastards allways have the drop on you and sometimes you have to wait for your turn. Remember though, in the end go with whats best for you. My life revolves around firearms and I've been in actual combat so my skill level is higher than the average Joe. My training automatically kicked in. I encourage if you carry a firearm, train, train, train, as often as you can. I know it's time consuming and ammunition can get expensive, but the more training you got under your belt, the better it will serve you if you should, God forbid, ever find yourself in a life or death situation. If you do, remember it happends fast so situational awareness is very important. The bad person, or persons will have the element of surprise more often than not. Remember to wait your turn and never, never, draw your firearm on a drawn gun, you will get shot. Compliance doesn't guarantee you won't be harmed. There are some sick evil people out there who's intentions and motovations may not be that they just want your money and then run. Unfortunately some are targetting you or a loved one. Women need to be extra careful with all these rapists and keep an extra eye out for your children and all children, so many damn pedophiles are out there too. Last, if you make that decision that your going to fight, go at it with everything you got, 110%, anything goes, bite, scratch, tear their eyes out, their balls, whatever to give yourself the best chance that you will survive. So for those of us that carry, I say in the end you do what you are most comfortable with. Bullet cocked and locked in the chamber ready to go, or if you prefer practice on racking that slide in all kinds of potential situations so you can be as quick as possible when it's go time. Hopefully you never will find yourself in any of these situations. I hope my experiences have helped some of you to decide. Remember no one wants to take another persons life, but if it's between you or them, you do what you have to so you can go home to your loved ones. Goodluck everybody and take care of each other out there. We have to watch each others backs and show these guys we are not playing around anymore. Again hopefully this will help some of you in making your decision. I say go with what is comfortable for you. Always keep safe, and watch over each other out there. Semper Fi, and God Bless!
Steve Vigil or you could have tried to be a hero and ended up getting everyone killed... see because you did nothing everyone lived.. it's not always a good idea to start shooting people who have no intention of shooting you, they just wanted your stuff... now if they came in guns blazing, hell ya blow their fucking heads off...
Strumptavian Roboclick. You are very right I could have gotten everyone killed. That's why you have to be so aware of your suroundings and whatever you decide to do, go at it with 100% everything you got. Compliance doesn't always mean you or others will not be harmed. Also when they are pointing a loaded gun at your face and smacking people with it to hurry up, they have forfeited their rights and if you feel like your life is truely in danger, well then...In the end every situation is different and we all should watch out for ourselves and others especially in todays world. God bless
I've been carrying everyday for over a year. I'm still hesitate to carry locked & loaded. My thought is, if an attacker statically uses ambush as there tactics. Locked & loaded really won't up your chances. Just because your carrying doesn't mean you can even draw your pistol. I prefer to use all my instincts & situation awareness to lesson any threat Or situation. I believe our brain is our greatest primary weapon & our sidearm is secondary. In my 56 years of life, i've never been drawn on, nor needed to draw. Very much hoping i continue to bat a 1000. The 2nd amendment allows either option & choice. Do what makes you comfortable. Freedom & God bless to you all.
You went wrong after the first sentence. If you have a half second pull, they look away you pull unsafty and bam, they are done. You're going to watch you loved ones get hurt, with a gun on your hip.
I carried for awhile with an empty chamber when I was new to carrying everyday until I felt comfortable that I wouldn't have a neglegent discharge. I say carry however you feel safe doing so.
I do understand his thought process and, for the 1911 person yes. Know your weapon and your skill set. Might be a bit different for the revolver owner, would love to hear your thoughts.
@@richardblackwell4082 modern revolvers won't fire if dropped and you can't pull the trigger if it's in a holster. Can't afford to go without one to let the hammer rest on an empty chamber, and you can't afford to go without one in the next chamber because you're worried about the trigger being pulled when you don't want it to. I don't know anything about 1911s and don't really care to. If I'm not carrying a revolver I'll be carrying a modern striker fired pistol with one in the chamber.
@@richardblackwell4082 there was a time before transfer bars that if a revolver was dropped it could "go off" which is why some people loaded a round skipped a chamber then loaded the rest which the hammer would be on an empty chamber. Almost all modern revolvers have some kind of "drop safe" mechanism so load em up.
This is why I carry a snubnose revolver don’t have to worry about no dam slide or even cocking a hammer I pull it out it’s ready to shoot it’s perfectly safe to carry I’ve carried my 357/38 special snub nose for over 10 years never had an issue with it always loaded and ready to defend me
I've been in a number of self defense situations as a delivery driver, I was a security guard for about 3 years, and now I'm working my way to becoming a police officer. All I can say is that if somebody attacks you so fast that you didn't even have time to rack a round into the chamber, you were gonna get got anyway.
Was scrolling looking for this. If you dont have enough time to charge a round you were goanna be shot anyway because we aint john wick out here. Being in the military we only lock and load if the weapon is goanna be in your hand at the low ready because some weapons just take a bump to release the bolt or pin. I have seen alot of accidental discharges and people lose rank or their career for it.
My thought exactly. And honestly most people that carry with one in the pipe probably don’t regularly practice drawing and shooting their weapon at the range. I guarantee I can draw, cock, and accurately shoot my pistol faster than most guys can draw and shoot.
Stefan Andre you ought to look at getting a DA/SA handgun that stays decocked until you pull the trigger. As you draw the trigger to the rear it lifts the hammer. Look at a CZ P-07.
I don't go anywhere unless absolutely necessary. Like the grocery store twice a month. The only other places I've gone in the last month is the gun store and my private range. I got used to staying at home during 2020 and I'm fine with that. Just have to restock food every now and then. Lost my trust and everybody I've known out here from ripping me off. So Nobody invites me to go shooting off-roading or anything with them anymore. After I taught everyone how to shoot and reload that was in our group. Which is fine I'm very happy being alone I discovered. Less frustration.
Joshua Romesburg if you carry unloaded because you don’t feel comfortable with 1 in the you don’t need to carry, pick up a taser or a rape whistle 🤷🏽♂️
@@poofy0790 Yes, Plus, Hey Burt, I'm sorry, but, WE are out of milk again!! No problem though, I'll be picking up some more shortly, Along with another case of Gatorade!!
Weapons Safety Rules... Rule #1- Treat Every Weapon as if it were loaded. Rule #2- Never point your weapon at Anything you do not intend to shoot. Rule #3- Keep your weapon on safe until you intend to fire. Rule #4- Keep your fingers straight & off the trigger until you're ready to fire. *Rule #5- Know your target and what lies beyond it. As long as you're following these rules while you carry, open or concealed & chambered round or not doesn't matter, you will be fine. I learned these rules in a special place and they stuck with me for years after I left that place and I made sure to get these rules down pack long before I ever received or purchased any firearms of my own. I'm a man who carries on an empty chamber, but I am also a man who stays to himself, keeps out of trouble, and quickly distances himself from situations that have potential to get violent or bring more trouble. I've had my handgun for only a few years, yes I do carry it with me all the time every day & nearly everywhere I go, but I have only had to draw it on someone ONCE since I've had it (Some road raging asshole in traffic) and never had to do it again. Yes, violence can happen in the blink of an eye, yes a calm & peaceful situation can turn violent & deadly in an instant, but I still CHOOSE to carry empty chamber. I've had many people tell me that im a fool for carrying my weapon this way, and i pay them no mind because of the fact that most accidental shootings come from Negligent Discharges of people who are way too comfortable, careless and COMPLACENT with their weapons (& They usually end up hurting themselves and people close to them when it happens). The way I see it is, your first reaction should be to distance yourself and or your loved ones from the situation before reacting with your weapon, deadly force should be the absolute LAST RESORT, period. #PreserveLifeBeforeTakingLife
I never have a round in the chamber of my .45 auto. Can draw and chamber a round as fast as drawing and flipping safety off plain & simple. Only one free hand? Maybe that isn't the best time to pull your weapon out. If you're slow I guess having a round in the chamber is a plus. Stupid FBI agents wouldn't shoot people in nightclubs while dancing without having a round in the chamber.
Expendable carrying with an empty chamber is like saying ill put my seatbelt on right b4 the crash. Someone grabs ahold of your left arm and starts stabbing you all you have free is your strong arm to draw and shoot... Do you want to be able to shoot or try to rack the slide while a knife is being swung at you?
I agree with most of what you said except for a few ideas. In all my years as a trainer with firearms, I have found that many people that are intimidated by guns or are apprehensive about carrying one have to be treated a bit differently when first introduced to daily carry. You can't simply demand they carry a particular way just because it's how you carry it or because it's quicker to draw. That will only make them want to not carry one at all. That's the opposite of what you're trying to do. You also have to remember that a newbie to guns is not going to try to out draw anyone anyway, so let's put that aside for now. Let's just get them comfortable with carrying a gun. Let's teach them it's capabilities and limitations. With familiarity comes trust. People have to know their guns and how they function before they can trust them. No matter how much you try to show them safeties work, they will not trust them until they are ready to. Instead let's train them to load, shoot and unload their guns. Throw in some marksmanship just to make it fun. Stress safety all the time. It will not take long before they begin to feel they know their gun and begin to develop a trust in it's capabilities and limitations. Then the willingness to carry a loaded gun will follow. If you know someone who still carries an unloaded gun even after years of carrying, then they still don't trust their gun because of lack of training. I'm not talking about shooting cans in the backyard, but real training. Real training develops trust. Until then, they're just trigger pullers. Also on another point. You say there's no difference between a hammer forward guy and the "I'll rack it later" guy. There's actually a very big difference. I can arm the hammer on a single action only pistol or revolver with one hand. It's been done that way for many, many decades. I would need two hands to rack a semi-auto. (yeah, yeah, I know. Some guns are designed to rack with one hand...blah. blah. blah....whatever.....I've yet to see anyone ever do that on a range while TRAINING.) The one handed operation is very doable in comparison to the "hold on a sec...lemme load my gun" scenario. Those two are not just alike or even similar.
Ok valid argument. I'm in a communist state (Maryland) May Issue Only , and they my not over 93% of the time. I'll take a bystander with a permit with and empty chamber than one with (like me) no chamber.
I agree with most of what you said, except a newbie should NOT be starting out with a semiauto. There's nothing wrong with the much more reliable DA revolver for beginners. There are no FTFs or FTEs with a revolver, no safeties to think about, no magazines to go bad, and they will handle just about any load and bullet configuration you can put in the chamber. You also cannot put a round backwards in a revolver's chamber like newbies try with semiauto magazines. It's a shame that some people think a revolver is obsolete. They can be dead wrong.
Just a small point I'd like to make about carrying on a loaded chamber. Recently a RUclipsr said one of his friends accidentally shot himself when his windbreaker draw string got cought in his OWB holster. When he inserted the gun he the string pulled the trigger. May I suggest if you're going to carry one in the chamber use a 1911 with a sharp over the hammer. Cooked and locked.
The amazing bit is his logic works against him "Violence blindsides you, so you should always be at the ready" Well if some guy violently blinsedly grabs the gun from my holster, I'm sure I'll appreciate the few moments for him to rack the slide, so I can grab it from him. Talk all the training you want, you can't prepare for everything. Violence blind sides you.
If you want to be even more effective, carry a completely unloaded gun. Then when the guy grabs your gun, you'd have even more time to take the gun back because it doesn't matter how many times he racks the slide.
@@aramfingal5180 This is honestly genius, open carry one gun, unloaded, concealed carry another unloaded, so when they grab your gun, they'll think you're defenseless
When I took over an infantry platoon in RVN the most dangerous thing we had to overcome, other than booby traps, was negligent discharge. We went 29 consecutive days making enemy contact every day and still one of our worst enemies was city born and bred troops shooting each other or almost shooting each other with negligent discharge. The first order I put in place was a safety check. We went out on ambush patrol four nights a week and did search and destroy every day and I didn't want anyone carrying a weapon without one in the pipe. So about every fifteen minutes while we were moving I would pass the word, "safety check". Everyone consciously felt their safety lever to make sure it was safe. I also made everyone safety conscious by continuously talking about safety. We still had a negligent discharge from a replacement troop one time and I made him clear his weapon and put the magazine in his pocket for the remainder of the patrol. Gave him something to think about and remember. Eventually our negligent discharge rate went to zero for as long as I commanded the platoon. I'm guessing it carried on long after I was gone.
Sir I was in that platoon and after all of your hammering about safety I shoved my wife off the roof to defy you as well as teach my children about the safety of gravity. I’m typing this on a $12,000 laptop now that the insurance check is in. Thanks for the safety talk!!!
This discipline is what differs. It's funny how people carry on about military experience being what matters in this discussion. We might have the greatest military on earth, but that doesn't change the fact that there are a lot of knuckleheads within the ranks. I've seen plenty of negligent discharges, but never had one myself. My position on this topic: Always respect the weapon, quick from the holster, slow return to the holster...only time one is in the pipe is when holstered, but there is always one in the chamber when holstered. So if it is a 1911 style safety I would carry cocked and locked.
I would say this but I’ve seen a lot of situation where that split second to rack the slide will cost you your life not to bash anyone but yeah I just would rather someone feel unsafe than lose there life over that split second
If you've come this far without being instantly killed. Odds are that you are more likely to have an accidental discharge handling a chambered gun several times every day than being killed instantly, even with training. And if so, what difference would carrying chambered do? It would still be like trying to put on a seatbelt the moment before you crash. Use situational awareness training in addition to firearms training.
@@chuckg9731 It is amazing bro how many chambered nerds feel so offended when these facts are laid out. Is it wrong to carry hot? No, if your situation calls for a faster draw, such as a security job, or a job that is located in a bad neighborhood, by all means, makes sense to carry hot. But the reality is, most people that carry aren’t going to war. They aren’t in a security job. They don’t work in shitty neighborhoods. Most gun owners that carry are average everyday suburban fucks that happen to love guns, and are influenced by tactical videos, and youtube crime videos that make them validate carrying hot. The hard truth is exactly that, you carry hot and handle guns multiple times a day, probability does not lie. You roll the dice every single day, and for most that have kids, or family members, that risk just ain’t worth it. If people wanna carry hot, carry hot. But if you carry hot, don’t criticize very rational people who understand the higher chances of having an ND and don’t buy into the ‘always scared’ mentality that the youtube chambered nerds eat up by watching too many videos. Carry how you prefer, and carry based on your situation. That’s it.
In Afghanistan I carried a Berretta and an M4. I chambered rounds when outside the wall but on post I did not. In everyday life accidents are way more common than split-second violence. You can always adjust your posture if the situation dictates, but to just walk around hot all the time....unnecessary in my opinion.
When i was in law enforcement, i would have said for sure always keep it loaded. Now that i am a husband and a father with a 4 year old i have to consider and calculate all potential possibilities. Statistically speaking, there is a greater possibility of my son somehow getting his hands on my weapon and pulling the trigger, than being is a wyatt earp style quick draw shootout with a bad guy. The point is that you can still defend your family while mitigating risk of mishandling. The point is to be aware and to practice whatever system works best for you
The most important thing you said was " PRACTICE WHATEVER SYSTEM WORKS FOR YOU " !! How often does someone take 10-15 minutes a month and practice, even a dry fire .??? That's what is needed. Good point C W .
I've never carried in my life, but I've always tried to avoid high risk situations. When strangers approach me, especially after dark, at 15FT away I tell them to stop and then ask what they want. Now, that I have a job as an insurance adjuster and that's going to put me in certain areas (including other states) that may be unsafe. I'm months away, so I'm going through preparations. The legal issues actually concern me more than the need for a weapon. Ideally, I just want to have one in the car for a possible emergency. I don't feel it always necessary to have it on my person. With law enforcement, having it in plain view seems to be more dangerous because of the nervousness it can create. I at least want to be able to have a chance to say that I'm carrying.The laws feel like a minefield. Do I have to get a license in every state that I go to or is there a more general protocol that I can follow? It seems that there should be a national license available to cover my type of situation.
poseidon3032 actually you can not get a license to carry in any other state than where you live. Some neighboring states recognize eachothers carry laws. Also, There are many states that consider your car an extension of your home and let you carry in your car without a carry permit. As for law enforcement is concerned, if you get pulled over, keep your hands on the steering wheel and the 1st thing you tell the officer is that you have a weapon and where it is. He may ask you ro step out or tell you to keep it right there, either way he will appreciate it. There is alot to learn but the most important thing you can learn is how to shoot well.
I’m willing to take my chances, and I keep my chamber clear. I will not carry with a chambered round. There’s too many things that can go wrong. I’d rather be a fatality myself, than to shoot an innocent bystander or myself accidentally. Just how I feel.
@@mitchellsheridan5252 Because the chance of a deadly encounter where a chambered round would make the difference is very low for most people, and the other 99.999% of the time the chambered round is simply a liability.
Jeez, I've carried in Condition 1 for decades and never had an AD. Guys, if you can't carry a semiauto with a round in the chamber, you need more training AND more practice. The only way the gun will fire is if you release the safety and pull the trigger... which is what the gun is designed to do. If you carry with an empty chamber and rack the slide, the gun is now loaded with the safety off! The OP has a point... don't think you're armed just because you're carrying a gun.
@@SEALCOATINGISLIFE my G23 doesn't have an active safety either, but it has a passive safety and is only semi-cocked... and I've carried it with a round in the chamber for years without an AD... dawg
Personally, I'd go with a conceal carry with an empty chamber. If havoc breaks out in a civilian setting, concealed carry means you likely won't be a priority target and you'll find time to set yourself up for the appropriate defense.
Yea and who tf discharges their weapon outside of cover or concealment? This guy expects you to just whip out your pistol in any situation and unload on the perp. Dude must be some LAPD cop or something.
@@tonyweaver2353 someone who’s in a confrontation? Maybe the aggressor is 100 lbs heavier than you and trying to rob you at knife point? Maybe you don’t have enough time to get to “cover or concealment”? This is one example of many?
@@MrBlackey666 Buddy, if some 300 lb dude with a knife is at my back I would have known it a lot sooner. People think a gun is an answer. No first and foremost is being aware of your surroundings and ready to administer that double lung heart shot to kill when necessary. Gun training teaches you to shoot. Hunter education teaches you to be aware of your surroundings and predict your prey's movements, and or predator. If someone that wants to harm you gets the drop on you first, you took one tragic misstep in self defense. Always be ready.
@@tonyweaver2353 bruh no offense but you’re kinda thick. There’s a million situations that could happen, you don’t always have time to get to concealment. And you saying “prey” is idiotic. You are the prey. Yes being aware is necessary but you’re not out hunting.. you’ve got the way wrong idea
If you dont feel comfortable with a round in the chamber you shouldn't be carrying a gun in the fist place. Its all about training and being comfortable with your firearm.
"They know there's the potential for an accident" yeah, those are the smart gun owners. People who think something can't go wrong are why owning a gun increases the chance you or someone you love gets shot.
That's from the old busted Kellerman "study" which purported to "show" that having a gun in the house means you're more likely to die by gunfire. What the quack doing the study didn't report is that in the majority of cases he cited, they weren't shot by a gun from the home or by someone in the home, but by an invader, and they all had long escalating careers in crime. Repeating lies doesn't make the lies any better.
As someone who deployed to Iraq with the 101st Airborne and carried an M4 with a round in the chamber I dont fault anyone for not or think any less of them. They put a discharge barrel just inside the front gate of every compound to clear your weapon into as you enter a secure area so as to avoid accidental discharges. I've seen men of every rank and background I've seen hard core infantry for life types I've seen em all check to ensure their weapon is safe and accidentally discharge into the barrel. I'm talking guys who have done it every day sometime several times a day for months have slipped up and had an accidental discharge. So yea you can think you're the most professional bad ass well trained firearms expert with more guns at home than a small army but that shit doesn't matter if the one time you dont have your mind where it should be cause your spouse or child is sick or was in a car accident and you go through your reflex moves to clear and safe your weapon and you miss a step and dont even realize it until your ears are ringing and hopefully you haven't put a hole in yourself or anyone else.
Amen! Once you have inadvertently experienced that you tend to be cautious.
There is no such thing as an accidental discharge.
It's a negligent discharge if a firearm discharges when not intended.
The only accidental discharge is either a weapon malfunction from a defect in the firearm,or you've somehow been bumped somehow while your booger hook was on the bang switch.
Anything else is NEGLIGENCE on the operators part.
@@firstgoinpostal negligent or accidental whatever you like to call it. The idea that every gun owner will always be flawless in how they handle their firearm is a bit overly optimistic to me. To me the added layer of safety that a DA/SA trigger offers to carrying a firearm with a round in the chamber is what makes me confident and comfortable carrying daily. And while I support everyone carrying with a round in the chamber for the same reasons is many I also believe if someone doubts their ability to carry that way without a negligent discharge they should still carry without a round in the chamber and train that way. I dont want any firearm death/injury stats going up because of ego or sense of obligation to carry a certain way.
I no what you are saying I was a marine in 3.5 for 10 years
Put one in the barrel myself
Marine /MP
I always carry 2 shopping bags so I can't hold my wife's purse when she asks.
Shit I just stay home can't hold the purse if you ain't there. 👍
Yeah yeah you dont have a wife and the purse is yours quit lieing lol
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@@michaelparrish755 good one.😂
I can’t stand this argument. If someone wants to carry with empty chamber then so be it!
Still a hell of a lot more effective then no firearm at all.
It greatly decreases the situations you can defend yourself, and can result in even more danger for yourself and everyone around you. There is a reason than any expert says to keep a round in the chamber. The only reason you would want to carry without a round in the chamber is inexperience... so suggest they get experience rather than encouraging a bad method. If someone was only ok with carrying a pistol fully disassembled, would you say that is the wrong way from a tactical standpoint? We have to learn from those who have gone before us, and too many people have died because of a slow draw, and having to rack the slide makes you slower in every situation... and forget a surreptitious draw.
True, its America and its your choice.
@Warren: Racking the slide ALWAYS slows down your draw. You will need more of a window to draw than you would with a round in the chamber.
Carrying your pistol in your hand is about the dumbest analogy I can think of. You would have to take into account having your hands free, other people's reactions to you, and being the first target. Having the fastest draw possible gives you the best odds at survival. Adding anything to it decreases the occasions you can safely draw.
I would like to hear ANY situation that carrying without a round in the chamber is better that doesn't have to do with experience or negligence.... ANY.
@Warren well said. And training with the fire arm for as long as it takes is what makes the difference. Or they can ask any of us that have served in the Armed Forces.👍👍
@Warren: Well as long as I have your assurance that a four second draw is fine... perhaps give your assurances to the man who died in the church shooting... he had a four second draw and took a chest full of buck shot. Had he had a three second draw, he would likely still be alive. So again. Why would you ever want to add time and movement to a draw? Your excuse seems to be in case of negligence...
So again, there aren't any situations that a fast/smooth draw won't work when a fast/rack draw will, but there are plenty the other way around. The industry standard is 2 seconds from concealed, but if you have to rack your slide and the other person doesn't, you lose. If the bad guy has a 2 second draw, and you have a two second draw but you also have to rack your slide, you have to pray for a bad shot. Why knowingly put yourself in that situation?
The chances of you ever having to pull your firearm is one in a million, but you still go to the range... why? Because you prepare for the worst and hope for the best.
There are plenty of ways to carry a firearm, but there are also right ways and wrong ways, bad ways and better ways. If you follow the firearm safety rules, you won't have any negligent discharges... so the only reason not to carry your pistol with one in the chamber is lack of experience or lack of confidence in your ability. Both can get you killed if you ever have to use your firearm.
Watch all of the videos available online of people having to use their firearm... count how many have time to rack their slide. Now count how many die or lose the battle to the first hit because their firearm wasn't ready.
There is a very good reason that you cannot find a firearms instructor who will suggest carrying your weapon without a round in the chamber...
I'm working my way back to carrying hot .I used to be all for carrying hot and used to call others idiots for not chambering . That is until I had a negligent discharge that thankfully didn't result in injury. It can happen to anyone . For those that say otherwise , I was in your shoes once. Like I said I'm working back to carrying hot but I have been taking it easy since my incident. Literally was exactly like this guy lol
I agree, that’s why most military require a thumb safety on striker fire pistols. It’s just another layer of protection. It’s like having a seatbelt and an airbag instead of just one or the other.
Theirs 2 types of gun people, the ones who had a negligent discharge, and those who HAVEN'T YET had a negligent discharge. I'm not a cop so I don't see or feel the reason to carry hot. Their are pros and cons to both.
How did yours happen? I cant carry live, to me it seems unreasonable for the risk. Like comment above. Im not a cop, it is a lot less likely id need to actually use it
Actually most cops couldn't hit ther own foot . They get about 20 hours of training, and never fire there guns again, thats why they have to mag dump to get a single hit. I've seen it a hundred times when I was swat.
I carry empty chamber for 2.5 years until I was comfortable with a round in the chamber, then I carry hot for almost 2 years. Last month, I had a negligent discharge, thankfully no one was hurt. Starting that day, I went back to empty chamber carry since the chances of a negligent discharge is significantly higher than one would ever need to draw to defend themselves.
I always sleep with my eyes open just to be aware at night
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ohmygawd, this is funny.
Raymond Jones 😂 honestly. It’s 1am where I live and I got notified from your comment. Lol
Every knock,bump or creek in board wakes me up;so I have to sleep with white noise machine.
Craziest comment ever
I always carry a fork, you don’t know when you’re gonna run into some cake.
EXCELLENT comment - you can NEVER be too ready for cake!
Having cake now
Good idea, I'll start doing that too.
You don’t carry your fork with cake already on it? You don’t know what kind of situations where you need it there. People say “ohh violence happens too quick and you don’t have time to not carry your fork hot with cake” and I tell you they are right. I always carry my fork hot and I recommenced you do the same
FatCat 87 my favorite comment so far 😂
I always drive my car with open doors just in case I need to jump out you never know when the wife start rambling again about her friends
@@mypoorback4428 You must not be married.
@@mypoorback4428
Then you picked well, my friend. Walk tall, be proud.
"Be prepared" has been my motto since serving in Vietnam (1st Inf. Div.), and I always carry one in the pipe, whether the firearm has a de-cocker or a manual safety, I'm 78 now and have never had an "accidental" discharge........... and have been packing for 48 years.
The point is to carry something reliable and well designed. Basically a tried and tested hammer gun.
Wow thats so awesome Props for carrying for that long without issues👌In 48 years you've never had any really bad close calls?😧I wanna carry my glock with one in the pipe but I do alot of physical work so im nervous of putting too much pressure on the trigger guard even if its covered😅
@@FirmeVatito702 Being in a war zone with activity in close proximity is completely different from shopping at the local grocery store. Never carry a Glock without it in a professional duty holster if it is condition one. Cocked and locked 1911 is supposed to be condition one.
I walk around, safety off, finger on the trigger, aiming at people’s heads at all times. You can never be too vigilant.
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Lol I love that
Thats so funny
What’s a safety
Safety as its finest
@@remigioguerra8994 A safety is the thing between your ears
I always deploy a flash bang any time I enter an uncleared location with my H&K 416 at low ready.
I'm not popular at my local coffee dock.....😂😂
You made my day😂
Hey if you said flash out before you did it, then it's their fault.
@@Kainpound .....this is a fact 😁
Too funny!🤣
Where can I get flash
This kind of slope never ends.
You're never as prepared to defend yourself as the guy who just came up behind you and literally stabbed you in the back.
This will never have a definate answer. Its like the argument about 9mm or 45 acp. Just do what makes you feel safe, while ensuring the safety of others
If soemone comes up behind you and stabs you, is it because your headphones were on and your eyes were closed?
Survival in a deadly force situation depends on a hiearchy of skills. First, situational awareness. The best-trained and equipped ninja who has his head down staring at a RUclips video with his headphones is defenseless. Second, knowledge of tactics... do you know what to do, and what not to do? Third, skill with the weapon(s) at hand... can you actually use your weapon? Fourth, the choice of weapon... a skilled Escrima practitioner with a 2" knife who gets within contact distance will disembowel a casual concealed-carry person before they can deploy their handgun.
Focus on all of these things, while acknowledging that we don't carry concealed because we know we'll need it, we carry just in case we might need it. The fastest draw is to have the gun in your hand just before you actually need it, but you can't run around with a gun in your hand so you have to be situationally aware and understand good tactics. And finally, the less you have to do under stress, the better. Much easier to draw and fire than to draw, rack, and fire. If you're worried about a gun with an active safety, like a 1911, then either get training and practice until you're not worried, or carry a Glock or Sig or Beretta, or a revolver.
You would be surprised. My taekwondo training required us to be sitting in a chair and performing a jump round kick to a practice gun hammer could strike.
@@johnclifford1911 dude just go fuck yourself already..
@Flex tape Sealin you all up then why are you even bothering to reply? Troll.
I’m new to conceal carry and I don’t carry one in the chamber because I’m afraid of my error. However, you made really great points to the additional training needed, the time it takes to rack the slide, and real-time situation. I definitely rethink how I carry.
You will be a victim one of these days.
When I started carrying again after years I carried on an empty chamber because I didn't feel comfortable.... For one day.... After the first day chicken and unlocked
I'm the same way with my P365, but I realize the benefits of putting a round in the chamber. That's why I'm going to buy a DA/SA next, like the CZ P-01. That long, 16 lb initial trigger pull makes safe enough for me to carry with a round in the chamber.
I carried without one chambered for quite some time. I carry chambered now. I liked my ambidextrous safety, now I'm deleting it. After becoming comfortable, I trust me now. I know my gun a lot better. Changes come with experience. Also, my gun never leaves my side.
You can always carry something with a safety and get used to manipulating it.
I usually just walk around with my fists balled. Makes it hard to open doors, but you never know when violence will blindside you.
You can't risk that one second it takes to close your fist. Always vigilant.
I read the remarks and your is the funniest one
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Situational awareness beats all. Some have it, some will end up a victim for lack of it. The odds of ever having to shoot someone is slim for most people. Don't be cocky and go to places with a gun that you would not go to without a gun. Its like jerks that drive fast as hell in the snow because they have 4 wheel drive. A gun does not make you John Wick. THINK and stay alive.
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I am John Wick.
@@robertcross9175 Good luck with that.
Well said sir. Always be aware of your SA.
Exactly, thinking is key. That's why I carry a big bore derringer, loaded with the most ridiculous rounds possible. I'm not trying to get into a gunfight. I just want to fire one or two rounds at the most likely attacker; one man with a knife. If they have a gun, and they're out of my effective range, I run. If I can't escape, I set up a counter-ambush. Simple plans work best.
I always leave my car turned on at night this way I just jump in every morning and don’t have to bother turning the key every time.
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so funny, so funny
Holy shit shut the fuck up, you're not funny and you're not clever.
@@epitaph3988 relax chode
This is a great topic. And I have a short to share about this particular incident that had happened to me and my family in the past. And note, this incident was based in the comfort of my own home. However before I get started on the story, ill add that I am an everyday carry person as well. Having that being said, this was December 23rd 2021 about 1:50am. My wife and I were sound asleep in our bedroom which is located at the back end of our house. She wakes up in confusion to the sound of 2 men conversing outside our front door, one of the men was talking rather loud and not trying to be stealthy at all where the other man was talking in a much softer tone. So, my wife suddenly wakes me up, says babe I think I hear someone out front trying to get into the house.. I instantly go into recon mode and grab my Smith and Wesson .40 cal off the night stand near me. Which I knew had a live round in the chamber followed by 15 rounds in the magazine. It was holstered from carrying it previously the day before, so I removed the holster and had it drawn, safety off. As I crawl out of bed and stealthily make my way into the hallway while in pitch black darkness, I can see the ambient light of my stove clock reflecting on the sliding glass door. The light suddenly blacks out, and it was at that point, I knew someone has made their way inside the house. I slowly step backwards back into the edge of our bedroom, explain to my wife that she needs to get down on the ground, crawl to the bathroom lock the door, keeps the lights off, and call the 911. So she starts to do so. I ease back out of the bedroom into that are hallway I was in before, and I hit my knees with my back to the wall, pistol drawn, and start to slowly move down the hallway toward the living room area. Our security system automatically locks the doors after 30 seconds at anytime between 10pm-5am so I now have the 2 guys trapped inside my house with me and my frantic wife. I remotely turn on our electric fireplace which spooks the guys and they turn for the front door not knowing they can't get out of the house. They quickly realize that they are stuck and I stand up out of nowhere right behind both of them with my 40 cal to one man's head instructing them to get on the ground and reminding them that they cannot exit the house without my code entry. So I get one guy on the ground and gunpoint, the other guy kicks me in the head while I was knelt down detaining the first guy. I get up discharge my firearm into the floor and tell him to get down on the ground once again. He does not comply and began fighting me once again, I discharged a second shot point blank into his hip because he was on top of me and I felt threatened for my life. He falls off of me, guy number one is still on the ground afraid to be shot at, so he's listening to instructions the entire time. I ask him what his intentions were for breaking into my home, he responded they were after the Christmas gifts and maybe some small electronics. I said to him he picked the wrong house to try that out at. Shortly the police arrived to my house, take full control of the situation, temporarily confiscated my firearm until the entire event was finished. Got everything on camera inside and outside the house. The police said I did the best thing I could do to protect my family and home. Returned my pistol to me, and arrested both the men. Bottom line is that you are right.. it happens so fast and sometimes you don't have the extra second available to rack a slide in the event of a violent emergency. I haven't had to use any of my firearms in that manor at all in my life until that day and haven't since, but at the time, the only thought that goes through my head was don't pull that trigger.. and did. It was the best decision I've ever made in the terms of line of duty. Be careful folks, and better yet, be prepared. You just never know what people will do.
were you nakkid?
Dam that's heavy man I'm glad you and your family are ok. You handled that right. And the guy is lucky he didn't leave in a body bag.
Sounds like you had plenty of time to rack a round.
It happened fast for you that's true. But you would have had more than enough time to put a round in the chamber in this case.
And that is a good example for when I personally want a round round in the chamber. I just don't want it when I'm driving around/walking/shopping with my iwb holster.
(After the intense confrontation where I shot a guy moments earlier...to the other guy too scared to even move) "I asked him what his intentions were in breaking into my house..."
"🎁🎁🎁🎁🎁"
"Wrong house," boiiii
Dialogue (and a fight scene) worthy of John Wick himself.
Lol, but it DEFINITELY happened!
I put my beers with cap off in the refrigerator. Never know when I may wanna chug one!
Always ready to crack a cold one with the boys
Carry however you want as long as you're being safe and accept the risks associated with whatever way you choose.
Yeah, that's why I thumbed down this joker. Reeks of "I know better than you and you're stupid of you think any different".
Yes sir
@Michael Freestone Weapon malfunctions happen. It's a fact of life. You can have all the competence and caution in the world and it still won't help with that. Having one in the chamber is completely useless: either they get the jump on you and you're already dead or you hear them coming and you'll have the 0.5 second it takes to get ready.
@Michael Freestone I've never been in a firefight. But still, logic applies here. What tf do you care of I keep one in the chamber or not? Arguing about this is like arguing weather to put your hands at ten and two or twelve and three.
@Michael Freestone STFU. My opinions is just as good as your own. It's up to people themselves to decide what they want to do. Not me, and CERTAINLY not you. I don't give a flying FK how someone carries and neither should you as long as it's safe. So stfu with your dumbass bullshit.
What's worse: an unskilled guy carrying unchambered or someone who THINKS they're skilled carrying chambered? The fact is most people are unskilled, and those who decide to carry unchambered are making a responsible decision to minimize risk.
Exactly! Thank you
Correct
Mic drop!! Thanks for saying it for us.
this is my thought, it's a risk analysis of your skill vs the likelihood of danger. if you are a cop or a soldier or a cashier at an inner city liquor store maybe you go hot, but cruising the walmart dairy when you have not been to the range in 15 months might not be the time to have one in the chamber.
Totally I agree. Concealed carry is about your safety and protecting it. There’s nothing wrong with going at your own pace. Could just one extra second save your life in that moment? Yes, but only if you are armed to begin with. Also there are handguns that are known to discharge without the trigger being pressed like the sig p320.
I agree that caring with a round in the chamber is being much more prepared then without, but it's better than not having any protection at all. I also believe that everyone should know their limitations and carry accordingly but should strive to improve them as well.
Yes. Carry what you are comfortable with. i don't usually carry but when I do, my vintage Colt snub nose 38 revolver has 6 loaded firing chambers, all ready to go at a moment's notice. No slide to rack or safety to disengage.
@@scooterbob4432 But only 6!
@@gojohnnygo6869 While working as an armed security guard years ago, company policy only allowed us to carry 6 shots 38 revolvers. My partners and I had a lot of practice shooting revolvers so we never felt undergunned at that time. That's why I still prefer revolvers over semi-auto pistols.
If you are in high risk job for sure. At home no 1 can walk into my home. Lot of time at home to rack. Its all about how you feel and train. No 1 ever talks about not panicking . Ex police Army hope well trained. Until it happen stress and panic is worse than not 1 in the chamber?
In the Army they taught us a 1911 was to be carried with a round in the chamber and the weapon cocked and locked, that was 55 years ago and I still carry my 1911 cocked and locked today.
Buck Burton Thank you for your service.
Documentation ?
Oh no the bad guys are gonna get you!! Your not at war goober!! Your that guy on that video who shot himself in the leg trying to be John Wayne or Doc Holiday! God damn it I just shot myself!!HAHA
Buck Burton I appreciate your service Buck 🇺🇸
100+years tried and proven
someone said they carry empty chamber because "I DON'T WANT TO BE ABLE TO SHOOT FASTER THAN I CAN THINK" this was the smartest comment I saw on this whole video
Someone starts to pull a gun on you. Hold up lemme load my gun real quick
@@yoki1625 you're what's wrong with the world
good to know my other comment was removed, I must've spoken real nice about you.
@@kouki_kat it’s the reasonable thing. You have to be able to shoot back, why would anyone just have a gun for show.
FBI stats say the average gunfight includes three rounds fired over three seconds from a distance of 3 yards.Feb 25, 2019
I always leave my gas stove on .. so I'm ready to bake
You do you and I will do me! I have been shooting for 35 years going to the range 2 times a week and I’m in no way scared to carry with one in the pipe but I do for my reasons like having that extra second to decide whether to act and in most situations you have a few seconds. In a scary situation it’s possible to pull the trigger pre maturely as you are pulling from the holster, it’s always interesting to hear so many people try and say certain ways are incorrect when they have never been in an actual situation. We should all support one another instead of suggesting a person is scared or doesn’t have enough training because they do things differently.
You're right but if you need the extra time to rack the slide to decide if you're life is at stake, it just might be too late. I'd rather make that decision before I draw. But like you said, whatever works for you. Only you can decide what's best for you.
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"In a scary situation it’s possible to pull the trigger pre maturely" how does this happen unless you're negligent though? You're pulling the gun out of the holster, how in the hell is it getting its trigger pulled?
Here’s how I look at it. Could I draw and rack the slide before someone with similar speed and strength as myself could reach me from 10 meters? Hell no. I’m extremely fast on my feet, and so are most criminals. If I was about to attack someone, and even suspect that they could have a weapon, I’m hitting them from behind. You ain’t Rambo, and you will die in your first encounter doing that stupid shit. Carry with a round in the chamber, and stfu.
@silky smooth Yikes! .. 3 carjackings??
"why do you carry with one in the chamber" ?
"because it won't hold two"
Edit, thanks for all the likes !
Straight like that
That's why i put a double barrel shotgun on my 1911 holster
Now that’s funny
@Mr. Spence Johnson
It's called a joke....
All three of the people that carry an AF2011-A1 are ahead of the curve.
I sleep with my clothing on so I don’t need to get dressed in the morning .
Eazy Kickz you joke but I actually did that once when I was little. Probably 6 or 7 years old.
in the morning you have time to put cloths on, i bet you're smart enough to know the difference
😂
This is weird?
I used to sleep in my school uniform so i could just get up and leave for school
I stay awake when I sleep, gotta be ready for that sudden attack!
you're a female weeaboo child. you don't carry any gun. why are you here?
@Purple Ray are you on drugs?
I Sorta Do stay awake when I sleep.... aggressive shouting going on? I’m awake. Sneak in my room? I’m awake. Walk calmly into my room & you’ll only know I’m there cos the snoring will continue.
Great video, thanks. Oddly, your mall shooter scenario has since unfolded. IDK if he had one in the chamber, but shots were fired at others first. And given the 40 yard through a food court distance that the CCW owner had to shoot and lack of any bystanders hit, I’m guessing the crowd had indeed parted. Violence can certainly blindside; but one may have a moment, too. You hit the nail on the head, however, it comes down to knowing one’s self. If you’re comfortable carrying but not comfortable cocked and locked, you’re still an asset to the rest of us. I’d rather be in that mall with CCW carriers who don’t have one in the chamber than with no good citizens who are carrying, any day.
Plus he took that guy down in one shot. I saw a video taken from the exact angle the citizen was standing and his view of where the shooter was. I consider myself a decent shooter but this guy was dead on target, literally, in a chaotic, stressful situation and took care of business. Even the cop in the video describing the situation was impressed with the good guy's skill. And by the way, I've been to that mall. Luckily I didn't have to shoot anyone.
The Greenwood Park Mall shooting? I didn't think that even made more than local news, nobody talked about it
@@officialdropfactory7048 oh we heard about it even in People’s Republic of Maryland.
@@matts.1042 really? It seems like mass shootings happen so often, they don't even make the news anymore. I'm shocked anyone outside of Greenwood heard about it. The bullet holes are still in the walls in that place
I think they're not ready for any confrontation and if you rely on them you're not gonna like the results when they shoot you in all the mayhem. Do you REALLY think that person is ready for combat with a shooter in a public place who isn't even confident in their own skills to be any real benefit? The gun is window dressing and the person is probably a liberal. There...I said it.
A guy told me he wears two pair of pants when he plays golf.....just in case he gets a hole in one..
That's a good one
It goes in levels. A new gun owner may not want to carry hot. That’s a better chance for a negligent discharge. It needs to be worked up too.
This is a great point!
Tony rinaldo thanks for saving my pride 😂💯
Jason Dubya-DEEZNUTS a Glock 19??! How DARE you give that to a child. You make me sick. You don’t want him to grow up and be a pussy. AT LEAST a .45 or .357. Anything under that and your 14 month old is basically a soy boy
Tony rinaldo, yup! Excellent point. When I first started carrying (Sig P938) I carried hammer cocked, thumb safety on, but on an empty chamber. Eventually I got confident that the hammer wouldn’t fall accidentally so now I wouldn’t think of not carrying hot but for some people it takes time to get to that level.
Know your equipment.
I stay at full throttle at red lights so I’m always ready to go
So do I.. its called launch control. Good try at that analogy though lol
Such Ignorance Abounds here.
You Always carry with one in the Chamber
OR
Use your Gun as a fishing weight.
While Hunting do you have a round Chambered or do you make a lot of noise Racking a round into the Chamber.
I THOUGHT SO !! !
@@CuttinChris
Lol you launch control at stop lights? You're joking.
@@MrFrinZy have you not? When someone lines it up and wants to run let it rip tater chip
@@CuttinChris
I thought you meant you were gunning off the line no matter the situation. You just made his analogy more sense.
I've always carried (concealed) with a round chambered. When I started carrying my father taught me with, and I carried, his Colt 1911 for 2 years. Not gonna lie, I was nervous at first, but the more I trained with that weapon, the more comfortable I was with it. After 3 or 4 months, it was a non-issue. When I purchased MY first side arm for conceal carry, I looked at and shot a dozen or so weapons before I decided on the Springfield XDS in 9mm. I have never been concerned about carrying with a chambered round.
Personal preference, I guess, but I carry and train to be prepared for any situation.
I don't have to think about my weapon. I know it's there and ready as soon as I need it!
Great topic and great chanel! Thank you!
The chance of negligent discharge is much greater than being in an altercation necessitating a chambered round.
You should work on your manual of arms, then.
The consequences of those two scenarios are very different and i would dare to say, even Life saving
youdodat2 if you’re that worried about a negligent discharge then you aren’t well enough trained with your firearm
Youdodat2 is just stating statistics. Train to chamber a round efficient and fast.
@@meencz The consequences of the empty chamber is possibly YOUR life. The consequences of a negligent discharge is likely someone else's life. Yes, they are very different. If all that matters to you is YOUR life,, then by all means, carry hot.
This has to be the funniest comment section I have ever seen!
It’s 5 am and I’m trying so hard to not wake up my wife, cuz I am dying over these comments.
@@VincentoftheRolleri Release the comedy writers! I think there was a game of one-up-man-ship happening. Yes, funny stuff.
Nah it’s mostly just shitty sarcastic jokes hating on the guy for saying the best way to defend yourself
Agreed nice to see we can all be serious and laugh together as well
Absolutely!
I always have a heated pan of olive oil on the stove, incase I have to quickly sauté onions and garlic
Now that I can relate to
😂😂😂
Horrible analogy
😉😅
The best one
1. I live in a European country where neither I nor any of my friends and family ever were in a situation which requires you to have a gun to protect yourself, maybe there are some bad cities and neighbourhoods in the US but for the most part I would assume that it is not a lot more dangerous than Europe.
2. As you said carrying a fully loaded gun takes way more situational awareness and training, in my point of view this is the part where it becomes work, like always making sure nothing happens with your gun, being on edge, checking your surroundings always scanning for potential threats. That is basically the same a police officer does and they get paid to do it, as it is work.
Now why would I spend my Saturday afternoon or any other day when I have some leisure time, being all paranoid about potential danger never relaxing, when I can also just live my life instead as mentioned in 1. ?
3. Now lets assume I see a realistic chance that I would get into some sort of fight where I would need to carry in order to defend myself or others, over 90% of the time when the other guy would get the drop on me before I have chambered my gun, I dare to say they would have also got me on the draw.
This ain't the wild west, if you are focused by the attacker you want get out of sight preferably behind cover or if possible you want to deescalate, drawing when you are already being focused might very well get you killed. And if you are not in focus of the attacker or you just escaped it, you have time to draw and chamber the gun.
Bottom line of what I am saying, I don't see the advantage of a chambered gun as significant enough, that I would prioritize it over they peace of mind I have in regards to safety when the chamber is empty.
Like I see the chance of a hostile encounter where I would need a gun rather slim and of those potential situations there is such a small fraction of scenarios where the split seconds saved by not having to chamber a round, really matter.
But I will give you that, if you assume that something is going happen and you want to be prepared as good as possible, carrying fully loaded is the way to go.
The reasons above are just my reasons why I wouldn't want to do it.
In Europe yes. But have you ever thought about South America or South Africa?
Bad things happen to good people every day regardless of where you live. I know 3 women that have been molested, 3 people that have died in accidents, one person I went to school with was killed by someone else, my dad was held up at gunpoint in a parking lot in daylight by an acquaintance set on killing him, and there's been a recent murder in my town. Having the mindset that "just because it hasn't happened to me or someone I know yet means it won't ever happen" just means that if it does, you'll be entirely unprepared because you can't even fathom the possibility or take any precautions. You're exactly the kind of person evil people like.
@@faceless2302 You need to move and find better friends 🙄WOW
idk about you but people assuming just bc you live in EU you're safe you are just being straight up delusional, almost every EU country had terror attacks, and one I'll never forget was the 17 august one if i could i would always carry a gun with one in the chamber, its useless carrying if you still have to pull the slide down and assume someone else armed will wait for you to load one, never assume you're "too safe" nothing happens until shit hits the fan and everyone goes :0 could never have known! well, you could have chosen to prepare yourself before! and in my country majority of cops lack training due to mediocre training and ammo limits per month for training
@Roman Any place with a town inhabited by people; California, Mexico, etc., doesn't really matter where. It's the unprepared that these things happen to, which are tragically the most innocent people, like your high school kids, college students, newlywed couples, and grandparents. It doesn't take much life experience or research to learn that we inhabit a planet with places, people and animals that would sooner kill you than look at you, regardless of where you live. Now I'm in the semi-rural southern US. I've chosen to live in a place now where I can take my fate into my own hands, backed up by my friends from similar walks of life, and I suggest everyone else does too. Self responsibility and dependability is the only guarantee you have in life.
Idk why someone would be carrying a firearm they don’t trust.
This guys a IDIOT! and has no clue!
I don't know why anyone would rely on "trust" for their safety. That's absolutely absurd.
You can have all the training in the world, and a gun you know is reliable, and an accident can still happen.
If you don't think things can go wrong, you're a different type of moron.
I don't know why anyone would trust a firearm as a concealed carry that has to be carried cocked to be deployed quickly. Get an SA/DA pistol, they were expressly made to be safe in everyday carry while still being quick to deploy.
In some cases, because one cannot afford a reliable, "trustworthy" gun. German steel is expensive, and no one would blame you for keeping an empty chamber on an aluminium frame 100US$ Bersa
Second rule of engineering: If it _can_ go wrong, it will.
I actually fire my gun a couple times every time I go through a door or around a corner. Only way I know I’m one step ahead of a threat.
Yea as soon as I open my front door before work I just let off a couple rounds, even at work while opening my draw I'll let of a lil desk pop just incase those pencils and erasers dont jump me, safety first nah mean
Please feel free to NEVER invite people to a party at your house! Or near you. I get the absurd joke of it but holy hell!
@@JS-pw8nr aye that’s how some of these gun guys be actin sometimes like it’s always good to be prepared but holy hell I watch some of these videos and these people act like there walking into an ffa match each time they leave there house 😂 these comments actually are funny asab
Ur comment made me fold with laughter man. Comedy gold.
Tears......
I carry a knife in my pocket and it’s always unfolded ready to go
Lol
That's a good one.
You do realize that there are fixed blade knives with “holsters” or sheaths you can wear on your side right? Very much ready to go
Randy Camp 😒That was called a "Joke" by flyingfin, Video topic comparison
@@randycamp1672 noooo....carrimg it in your pocket is concealing it!!!! Pull it out.."surprise!"!
Yes having one ready and just needing to pull the trigger is 100% ideal for when the moment comes, but for the 99.99999999999999% of the rest of the time, empty chamber makes my very forgetful brain feel better. Now there are times I have one ready, but most of the time I’m not in a place that needs that.
I agree with this as well I usually chamber one depending on where I'm at like beale street in Memphis I'm concealed with one in the chamber dangerous city also st.louis ... Gangsters muggers and thugs are not going to give you a chance to cock your weapon
Carry your weapon in what ever way you feel comfortable.
@Tom Barker I carry an XD-9 that doesn't have a safety switch or a hammer. I take comfort in the fact that I can walk around with my weapon (that I can rack in half a second) unlike weapons that do have a safety and a hammer and are carried in "Condition One" and not have to worry about blowing my own balls off because of some freak incident.
@Joseph Steaphens Maybe you're right. Wow, and in the 40+ years I've been firing weapons, I've never realized that before... Thank you sir.
Definitely ,if not comfortable with chambered Rnd don't
I've been carrying my pistol appendix carry for over two years with one in the chamber
@@Securityofficer918 Good for you pal. Very proud of you.
I always carry my bed around incase I need to take a quick nap.
David Watson I’m all grown up buddy.
@David Watson what kind of a pathetic comment is that?
God I wish that was possible
Logan, I carry an inflatable bed. It does come in handy!
David Watson bro they are joking smh
Before I go to the mall, I call an artillery strike on it so that all potential threats are neutralized. I won't be able to react if the shopping carts suddenly attack me.
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😂😂😂😂😂
And I have all spots I visit preplotted for barrage. Just in case
lol
oh my god this was spectacular. LMFAO!!!!! well done
Great video! Thanks for posting. As with anything, there are, at least, 2 ways to look at things. I, 100%, agree with you. But when I first started carrying, many decades ago, it was all so new to me. I carried unchambered. With much practice, I became good at chambering upon un-holstering. That's great at the range or at the house with dummy rounds. I enjoyed the practice. But, range time and controlled environments are not the real world, and sometimes, you're not going to have both hands available. Then where are you? Kids, unloading a vehicle, fighting someone off who blindsides you, can make for some very unique situations. As I got better and more confident, I started carrying with a chambered weapon.
I would not criticize anyone who doesn't follow that logic, but, for me, I would rather be at the ready, than caught off-guard with no way of defending myself or my loved ones. I applaud anyone who carries and exercises their 2nd Amendment rights. If you feel safer not having your sidearm locked and loaded, God love ya. Keep on doing what makes you feel safe and secure.
I personally carry condition 1. As a retired U.S. Marine I feel that I served to do my part in helping the American people have the freedom to make their own decisions. If you feel comfortable carrying condition 3, DO IT. Do whatever makes you feel safe and comfortable. Wether you are carrying a firearm, riding a motorcycle, etc, we all accept some level of risk. YOU have to determine what level you are willing to accept. Be safe out there guys!
110%. Even carrying C4 would be better than not carrying at all. Carrying a 5-shot snub nose is better than _not_ carrying a 1911 because it's too bulky and makes your pants sag. Carrying single action black powder cap & ball would be better than not carrying a semi-auto because of local regulations or availability. Carrying a "big stick" is better than nothing at all. And having a first aid kit is more likely to come in handy than any weapon. It's good to gain knowledge, training, and comfort, but don't let those stand in the way of doing what you can do.
Agree completely. I understand full well if I am in a situation if I have to be a quick draw to live I am toast. I think in that case my chances of survival are slim anyway even getting it out of concealed carry fast enough even if it was C&L. It's simply safer for myself and family that way. More chances to hurt yoursrelf or others compared to odds of ever having to use one any way. That's my opinion and what my CC instructor said was method.
True, activity train each week and hit a range helps 100%. The army we aren't allowed to carry chambered. In boot camp at night in the Fort Benning fox holes. We had during supper time break had 10-20 accidental discharges going off left and right of me. Someone would get a meal, sit down, and boom. We had blanks with a blank adapter on! Texas two accidents from open carry from wounded warrior program get together that ended that outing and program event. In both incidents, they lost their foot. One mile down my road apartment, the guy had glock the same way kill his neighbor taking his holster off. A shot through a wall hit a dude in the head. All you chambered guys doing more than military or John wick, should know. Can end up in jail, is so comfortable chambered worth living. I don't do wheelies on the highway, but all guts I know who do also carry with a chambered round. Condition 3 is okay if you are trained to know what happening around you, condition 1 is for red zones only. I will carry from condition 3 to 1 depending on my environment and situation. 99% it's always condition 3 due to my military training. Glock 19 is in condition 3 and my 1911 is in condition 2. Because I have seen highly skilled shooters with more training than thousands of hours (special forces or swat) have had a negligent discharge. My prior marine Sgt from the Army in Iraq shot his foot in condition 1 after eating his meal standing up. While on patrol in a red zone he was in condition zero without knowing it. While by regs needed to be in condition one. Condition zero is a glock usually and is what this video wants is sad. Most popular position to be in today, with a nearly huge increase in accidental discharges leading to strict gun laws. Can't stress that if you need a round in the chamber, act that fast. You don't know your environment and are carelessly firing your life away perhaps into second-degree manslaughter. Deadly force is the last decision made while using force. Takes six to ten seconds to establish what's happening to you or a loved one. The only ones that should be on condition zero are security forces or the police. If you put yourself into that situation, into a condition one, probably don't have common sense. The army doesn't do it, marines can't, the Navy can't, and the police can. Because orders are required to shoot back at the enemy by an officer or NCO orders only. Police put themselves by themselves into red zones each day and don't require a report to fire back and they have insurance and lawyers keeping them out of jail. If you can't take five steps back racking a round in one step. If you need condition zero, you're 99% don't have the draw. Criminal or enemy has you at their advantage anyways. 90% of the time, they will do it in a crowd with people behind them. Go John Wayne taking out the crowd behind them. Guess what 😦, live a rest life behind bars. Without ever touching a gun or rifle ever again. Unless you're an officer of the law. The enemy wants to draw on you first. You'll never find your finger on the trigger before it's lights out. Chambered or not.
@@bloodgain I agree with you 100% give them what they want! Before your finger will get near a trigger, the enemy has already taken your life or criminal. All they want is cash and a car, no life has that value on it. Chambered is idiotic because you can't fire without situational awareness. Before that happens, the criminal has the first draw chambered or not. Don't pull a chambered gun with a gun to your head. Unless you're highly skilled at counter-terrorism warrior at your first job past ten years deployed. Cops should be the only ones chambered ready condition one or zero. I'm at 3 100% from a warzone in the Army. Seen too many soldiers shoot themselves from both sides of the war. Thinking like this guy in the video. If you don't know your gun control. No one here knows gun control 100%, any instructor who had enough training at 100% and stops training, is the first to have a negligent discharge. People with issues hammer down by sight, scare me because they think they are trained enough! 100% no one can teach them anything and I bet they fire their guns once a month instead of every other day. If that.
Veterans and military never fought for freedom...You fought banker elites war with a false narrative...Thank you for your bravery but the whole thank you for your service Is a disgusting lie they told you. Good day sir.
if you're in a situation where a tenth of a second is the difference between life and death you REALLY need to work on your awareness skills lmao
It’s actually a cool thing you can do. If someone is standing 21 feet away and starts running (21 foot rule) your odds of getting shots on target before it reaches you increase exponentially. I’ve seen live fire demonstrations of this with moving targets. Now you can argue the validity of this, but at that distance, it is reasonable to say you wouldn’t notice the attacker until they start running. You carry how you want, but it is a fact that carrying chambered results in a faster reaction time and is therefore better for a response to an attack. If you feel uncomfortable with a loaded chamber, fine. Just know that with a good holster, the gun is not going to go off.
Thats what im saying, is that you shouldn't be trying to quickdraw people, if you are in a situation where you have been caught in a dangerous situation with your weapon in its holster, and your survival depends on less than a second reaction times, you're dead already.
The thing is and I know you didn't bring it up bug I dont know why people open carry like you have the right to and I dont want to control that bug why do pepole want to advertise that they have a gun
@@juanmeza958 if multiple people in an area are open carrying, then the chances of crime drop exponentially as there is a threat that cannot be beaten alone or even with multiple people unless there is perfect coordination. If a single person is, it would make them a target sure, but for many criminals, they would just wait until they leave as some don’t want to knowingly throw their life away. Personally, I go concealed all day. More for the people around me than potential attackers honestly, because In my state, people have little experience with firearms and I don’t feel like explaining to the cops what is happening every time I got shopping. There are benefits to both methods, and it’s up to the individual to pick what they value more. To sum it up simply:
Open: puts a target on you, but crime is less likely to happen
Concealed: Nothing preventing someone from committing a crime, but you are not more of a target and have element of surprise.
@@juanmeza958 if you are in a very pro 2a state where everyone and their mother is packing, then open carry could very much be beneficial as you would likely have multiple people in a given area all carrying, turning crime into suicide at that point.
I would carry with one in the pipe but those damn RPG rounds are heavy.
Hahahaha, I know right, but carrying without one in the pipe makes you have to grab it all the way out of your backseat before knight style hanging the rpg out of the car
Eric Bullee lmao this is the greatest answer here.
Well, you know those Russians, they are not ones for comfort, convenience or cool factors, they just get the job done.
When's the last time you shot a hole in your canteen
Training usually solves most of these issues. The more comfortable you get with your firearms functions, the more confidence you will have. Just don’t let comfortability replace respect.
This is why i always pop a UAV before leaving the car. That way I know where the enemies are at and I can pre fire
I'll mount u on my roof so you can be my uav
You need to get a counter UAV so when you shoot
New enemies don't know where you are
Na I prefer using my Goliath then I can take on the whole enemy squad!
Orbital vsat
I live in Wyoming. I'm statistically more likely to shoot myself than to get shot by someone. I carry on an empty chamber.
This guy statistics!
@Spike Flea
Try Texas if the Big Sky don't work out.
@Steven Piaia
So what you say statistically Speaking Wyoming is full of Ignorant People who don't know the Difference between Themselves and A Criminal Up to No Good.
Hmmm
Remind me if I decide to turn from Law Enforcement to becoming a Criminal I need to Move from Texas to Wyoming.
Gottcha.
Period💪🏽
@@alvinglenn458 I'm saying crime rates are so low that I'm more likely to shoot myself on accident than to be shot my someone else. Idiot.
I've never had an unintentional discharge, I carry empty chamber. I don't want to be able to shoot faster than I can think.
Couldn’t have said it better myself
Take if from me accidentally discharged weapon is scary. We are not at war so i think you will be fine lol
This is my thought process also.
Survival skils...
Then NEVER get into a gun fight... oh, that's right, you won't have a choice and you won't have time to think before having to defend yourself.
Your chamber being empty is going to get you killed IF the time ever comes.
Accidental discharges due to a holster were a lot more common back in the day, most people shouldn't be worried about having one in the chamber with modern kydex holsters
Well I guess I should just leave my gun at home, don’t want to be seen with a empty chamber.
Nicely done 🤣
Might as well
J H you’re the type to put sugar in a diabetic kids drink
Lol
@@bobbybalogne2565 the most American comeback lmao
Shiiit, I carry two in the chamber., at all times.
Organic Globe Y’all have all the time to be funny
Best response, so far.
Dang you beat me to it. Was going to post this
Lol lol ya killin' me!
why everybody playing fucking games... this is too funny
To each his own. I really get tired of anyone telling others how to carry.
When it comes to firearms, it isn't to each is their own. There is a proper way to do it. Always carry a round in the chamber. If you are not comfortable then train until you are.
@@mattrR678 "Proper way to do it" isn't an argument, just an appeal to authority.
Aye if you can carry a box mod all day then you should be good with a gun just know how to use the damn thing
Amen too that
Some things are merely a matter of personal opinion. This is not.
1) Anything that slows you down in a deadly defensive encounter increases your chance of not surviving that encounter. One's personal opinion might get one dead.
2) I have several pistols that come out of the safe for cleaning and range trips. That's it. I don't trust them as defensive weapons. If you don't trust your gun enough to carry it and to carry it the way it was designed to be carried, DON'T CARRY IT.
You are 100% more likely to accidently fire a round off because one is in the chamber, than you EVER are of actually needing to use your weapon quick enough to need a round already chambered. This is fact
I was in the Army, deployed to the front lines of Afghanistan. Our soldiers were constantly firing rounds due to accidental discharge. If the most trained people do it, so will you (whoever is reading this).
I leave my truck on all the time. Even when I’m sleeping just in case I have to leave quickly
My Poor Back no it’s not. Tell me if you’d like me to elaborate.
My Poor Back you’re a stupid analogy
Angry Muffin04 you right
Yeah but in case you do need to leave quickly with your truck, your life ain't gonna depend on it, and it's not gonna happen all in less than 2 seconds. You get up your bed, dress up I guess, go to your truck, put it on drive and go. Doesn't matter if you take 1, or 2, or 30, or 150 seconds more than you'd want to.
@@mypoorback4428 It's funny. Get a sense of humor.
It really depends on what Hood Im in
There's the correct answer
True when with family I always have it on safety even but when I'm by myself I always have one in the chamber
Yo this real my G
I mean at least someone’s being honest with themself
Lmfao you don’t go to any hoods, shut up
It’s like those guys that walk around flaccid. Gotta stay hard and be ready for action at any time
If you're hard for too long, you might have to see a doctor though 😐😬
Shit, I’m ready to fuck a warm apple pie right now.
Lmfaooo
@Josh Randle which one?
@Josh Randle sometimes 🙂 i need to go pick up a couple more mags for my rifle
Accidents happen all the time and usually to those that say that could never happen to me
The reason why the Isralies train with an empty chamber is an extra level of safety and the momentary pause racking a shell into the chamber gives you an extra split second of intent to decide if you really have to use deadly force or not
It's also because in the Early Days of the IDF the recruit's we're not always familiar with the many different types of weapons, particularly the numerous side arms that they had available to them
True, only time IDF trains with a round in the chamber, is when they shoot Palestinian kids
SOURCE: "Trust me bro.."
Israeli’s don’t even do the “Israeli carry” anymore. They used to do it when they had dozens of different handguns and not all of them were drop safe and they couldn’t standardize training for each pistol. Now they all use Glocks and CZ clones and carry with a round in the chamber
IDF will be running from the USMC soon. Search First Responders Urge 9/11 Investigation Sept 11 2019. IDF = RATS.
Combat is always violent; have to go bang now!!!!
I carry on an empty chamber because I believe the chance of something bad happening to me or my loved ones from that chambered round is greater than the chance I will be in a situation where I don’t have time to chamber a round.
To each their own.
Agreed
Same, I know I'm accident prone and clumbsy so i just don't trust myself enough. It's better than not caring at all. Although i will carry a gun hot if it has a safety switch like my p938
It's best to carry regardless of your methods. However, my belief is that you won't have an indecent if you follow safety rules when carrying one in the chamber. The biggest issue with not carrying in the chamber isn't time... It's that there's a significant chance the incident/adrenaline will leave you inducing a malfunction when racking the slide OR you don't have a hand free (because you might be pushing off an attacker).
You shouldn’t be carrying a gun if you don’t have one in the chamber
@@chipkipperly3904 Not true, but it’s better to have one in the chamber.
Y'all are gonna find this funny, but here's how I got over my reluctantance of carrying with a round in the chamber:
Even after some training, I still felt a little weird about it. I carry one of a couple of Canik 9mms, or a RIA Ultra 1911.
One day, I decided to start carrying all of my guns racked and ready to fire (cocked and locked on the 1911), but without a round in the pipe. This way, I felt I was giving myself adequate proof that guns don't simply go off mysteriously, without the proper shooting procedure being applied beforehand. If anything were to happen, I'd simply get a "click" rather than a "bang". I walked around like this for two weeks, actually trying to get the thing to "click" by simply going about my everyday routine, but also arrantly allowing my sidearm to bump into things, and basically doing everything wrong. You know what happened? Nothing. I never got a click.
As a last-ditch effort to make the guns do the wrong thing, I actually took naps wearing every one of them individually (without magazines this time), just to see if that would do it. Nope.
Turns out, guns are pretty darned safe. I now carry with a round in the chamber religiously, never giving it a second thought.
Go ahead and roast me, but it really worked for me.
Thanks for the insight!
Anyone who would roast you.....just don't know.
No lie, gonna do this myself.
just got my first gun.. looks like I just need to run that bitch ready to rock and roll.. being careful of course but helll yea, excited to shoot this thing and practice
Just started concealing and tbh nervous to chamber one. Imma do this.
I used to carry empty, thinking "If I don't have half a second to chamber a round, I'm really in trouble." Then I watched a bunch of actual gunfights on the Active Self Protection channel. I realized how fast these things go down, and that it's not half seconds which decide gunfights. It's tenths of seconds. When the attack starts, you definitely are really in trouble. Needless to say, I carry hot now.
A TRUE FACT / ME TOO CARRY HOT
That boy John Correia ain’t no joke
Yup if threat is aimed at you and you not carrying hot it’s just a paper weight.
3 feet... 3 shots... 3 seconds and it's a statistical fact... 💥
I did the same until I became comfortable with my two carries. Makes no since to have an empty chamber.
Hi, I did 3 years in IDF and do active reservist service on a yearly basis. In regards to "Israeli" carry, soldiers carry in condition 1 while being in dangerous areas in the line of duty, and con 2 (nowdays) in safe areas. Back when I served more than a decade ago we'd not even be allowed to have the mag in while in safe areas, nowadays they use a fake plastic round in the chamber and have the mag inserted.
It's for gun handling & safety reasons, but I never felt the need to have a mag in, much less a round in the chamber say, driving in a bus or walking the mall while not at base. I always felt that if I'm not immediately dead and shot in the face, I'd be able to take cover and 2-4 seconds to load my gun, even without the mag in.
But also, I don't think Israel's situation and USA's should be compared...It's an entirely different situation and danger.
I would carry without a bullet in the chamber though, accidents happen. Bad/cheap manufacturing happens. And crazy people happen.
and also, a scenario I didn't hear brought up in the vid: What if some crazy person pulls your gun out while you're distracted or/and got both hands occupied? con 1, he's ready to go man...but con 2, you still got time. That's my 2 cents and unbiased thoughts.
Depends if you're allowed to conceal carry. If it's open it's very important to make sure nobody gets close enough to it, and use a lvl 2 or 3 holster. Even concealed I don't like people walking up behind.
Dangerous areas gtfoh them Palestinians got rocks and sticks. Real scary bruh
Some of these "firearm experts" now days are like "martial arts experts" of the 80s hahaha
I always keep my roundhouse kick loaded when I'm walking down the street.
"What did you say to me?!"
*HIYA!*
That is the best way I've seen it put. Holy shit. These clowns are like infomercials stumbling around like a russian drunk.
Master Ken's guns are always loaded
This made me laugh...
Who knew? Losers have heroes too.
8 years of carrying with one in the chamber and I've never had an incident.... not even close. The most important thing that I did when I first purchased my CPL weapon was to field strip it over and over until I could do it blindfolded. Then I trained with drawing my weapon from a holster repeatedly from different positions. Then I began to train with live ammunition from varying positions. If you're going to carry a weapon, you must know the exact capabilities of yourself and your weapon, at all times.
Couldn't have said it better myself, it's critical.
Yes! I personally like the ELMS G-Sight dry firing system for exactly that reason. To learn how the trigger feels and the draw. I've also improved on my accuracy and grouping. That has helped me when practicing with live rounds. I'm a 35 year old woman and have fired many types of guns over the years. But I only just now purchased my own gun last year. Field stripping it was the first thing I did as well. Then practicing my dry fire with the G-Sight, draw from holster, and then range training with it. I just purchased my 2nd, and did the same with that. I'm glad you've never had an encounter. But you never know. I explained to my Gramps that a gun is like a condom. It's best to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
Your the type of dude to carry old ammo. Old ammo and one in the chamber. You aint getting off bro. Your gona need to rack another old bullet 😂
@@ryananthony7115 define old ammo. When I was in kuwait we were issued ammo that was manufactured for the vietnam war and it worked perfectly fine. Ammo is not like a slab of bacon or something that goes bad, if you keep it dry and in a moderate climate it could easily last 50+ years and does.
@@SpellboundStats The “Old Ammo” MARKETING Trick.🙄
People are still using WWII ammo with no problems.
“Fresh” ammo. As opposed to what…”STALE”.🤣
I always drive my car with a torque wrench attached to the rim. Just in case the lug nut gets loose.
I carry all 5 of my chambers loaded in my revolver. 25 years later, still have not shot my junk off.
I don't need to carry.. my wife's nagging fends off any would be attackers.
I love it!
Lmao...I know the feeling
Aint that the truth!! Please take my wife...please! 😆😆🇺🇸🇺🇸
Now that’s a good one right there!!!
boomerhumor
It’s still a mechanical item that can malfunction, that’s why I’d never do it
It did for my uncle. Shot a .45 jacketed hallowpoint straight through his leg. Now he never will leave one in the chamber
It can also malfunction when you try to rack it. Then, you're fkd
@@marloncienfuegos1556 its got the risks for both sides of the argument. Its your gun to choose how you want to use it as long as its legal and always safe
I've never heard of one going off all by itself. It's always driver error.
FryingPanHead it’s not always user error, I can link you three different RUclips videos showing you this. Two of them where they racked the slide and misfired and another where a semi auto so gets stuck in full auto while shooting. If you don’t believe me and want to see for yourself just leave a reply and I’ll go find the tree videos I was talking about and link them back to you
I'd disagree. I don't have an issue with carrying one in the chamber as a rule. It's generally safe. But first off...if you were in an active shooter scenario like he described it would literally be the opposite of what he said. If you are 1 of 200 people in his line of sight, most likely you'd have time to react. You're first move should be to get to cover in that scenario anyways. If you had someone with a weapon out and your first reaction was to draw you're already dead. Violence rarely happens out of nowhere. In most scenarios there is always a buildup. I don't know who this guy is but he's simply defending his personal opinion. That's it. If you needed to pull the weapon and fire in a fraction of a second, you're probably already missed multiple signs.
VERY WELLM PUT SIR! .........GET TO COVER! IF U CAN!
Oh no where I’m from “Chicago” violence can happen at any given moment
There is no cover at a supermarket you're going to hide behind a potato chips and lose your life. Don't tell me the freezers because you can't get behind them 90% of the time and when it breaks out you better know every inch of that supermarket there are too many places and too many scenarios where an unchambered weapon is going to cost you, either your life or someone you're trying to protect. And I've only been carrying for 50+ years. My credentials include starting with national match competition long before I was 13 years old. As I got older and got into ipsc in other types of shooting. I'm not going to go into my work overseas. Yes people have discharges negligent mostly. I have yet to have one of those and I hope it never happens to me but I would never support the idea of carrying an empty weapon because you fear a negligent or accidental discharge. Train train and train again. I train nearly daily I live on a piece of property where I have that luxury. I've trained with SRT and other.
The point of trying to make is if you're responsible if you're careful if you keep your weapon and top shape and negligent discharge is something that may never happen. Again it's your responsibility to keep your weapon in the top functioning shape as well as yourself. I've carried every day for more than a half century there is no time off. And when I'm 80 years old I probably still will be carrying one of the things that I did the most is train people out of a passion to keep firearms safe and keep people safe. the well-oiled machine is not only the weapon it's also the person behind it. I carry 1911 almost exclusively for the last half century I have carried a Glock 21 due to contractual obligations. For the most part I carry two 1911s, and on some occasion I carry a revolver usually my 357 Magnum 2 and 5/8 in model 19 with some fairly high penetrating rounds for the most obvious of reasons. I carry an SBR in the truck with me. None of these ever separate a negligent or accidental discharge. It's your choice when I have to go to condition red I don't want to be racking a slide or fumbling with a hammer which can create a negligent discharge in itself.
You can just chamber the round when violence happens, just like you can put your seat belt on real quick right before you get into a car crash..
So say you get mugged and don’t have both your hands..can you rack the slide. If you don’t trust your holster and your safeties you have to realize you’re taking on way more risk.
Big talkers are the ones that find themselves on the end of a ND. Keep talking bubba.
I always carry around a bag of flour and a can of beer, just in case I need to batter a criminal
This argument can go on forever. You will always have people defending one position or the other. I used to carry with an empty chamber and 2 years ago I had the luck of being in a group of people who got held up by 2men with pistols. While they began taking wallets and other things of value I waited trying not to draw attention to myself and to what I was doing trying to figure out how to rack my slide without them noticing. The only problem though was the man getting our wallets was paying attention mostly to that task, however his buddy stood back and just stared at us with the constant reminder not to move. At one point the grab man even gave his accomplice his pistol so he could get our stuff quicker. There were several golden opportunities to draw and take him out when he would follow his buddy to put more fear into some stubborn person. Had I been carrying with a bullet on top, I have no doubt I could have ended that threat very quickly.
I have been shooting since I was 5 years old, from my daisy red ryder, my first 22 and so on including 20 years in the military.
After that incident I now carry with one in the chamber. As bad luck would have it I was given a chance to redeem myself 3 months ago to the date. While waiting in line at this store kind of in the middle of no where In New Mexico to purchase a nice cold Dr. Pepper someone comes in with a gun and demanding money and what not waiving a pistol all over. I waited for an opportunity only this time I had a bullet chambered and ready to go. I was actually hoping that this man get what he came in for, which sempt to be the cash register money and leave. However he grew irrate when there wasn't much money in there and proceeded to fire a round into the ceiling and then two into the floor. He then smashed the cashier's face with his pistol smacking her several times until blood was pooring out of her nose which he had broken. The store which is a mom and pop store been out there on the side of I-25 sits across from Starvation Peak a mountain that is a historic landmark. Now seeing all this blood and the old cashier (the owner) bleeding all over
everyone was shaken and as he shouted he was going to kill everyone if she didn't produce more money which they really don't make that much money there anyway, he started demanding the customers wallets and purses shouting, the cash, the cash mother#$#@!@$.
I chose my time, drew my pistol slowly acting as if I were getting my wallet. I knew I just had to get it out and it was ready to fire. If I had to chamber a round, he would have seen for sure and it would have gone bad for us and I knew it. I waited for my chance to launch my counter attack. His attention shifted towards another elderly woman who was so petrified with fear could not move. He screamed at her letting go of the cashier and proceeded to strike her in the face with his free hand.
It happened quickly as I took a few small steps to get in a position in front of a man who I had been behind, I had used him for concealment, once my line of sight was clear I fired twice striking him both times in the chest. He immediately fell and I quickly moved in on him ready to shoot him again. He had dropped his pistol and I grabbed it. I remember him groining and when he tried to breathe I remember hearing crackling sounds. My loads were 45 Hornady Critical Defence and not to suprisingly to me he had been carrying a Glock 17 loaded to the max, with one in the chamber guys, his ammo, Hornady Critical Defence rounds in 9mm. This man had a warrant in Alabama for attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon, strong armed robbery, felon in possession with a stolen firearm, and on and on.
Anyway I learned from these two situatons. I now carry with one in the chamber ready to go. I learned that sometimes in a close up situation, much easier to wait for your opportunity and know your ready to go. These Bastards allways have the drop on you and sometimes you have to wait for your turn.
Remember though, in the end go with whats best for you. My life revolves around firearms and I've been in actual combat so my skill level is higher than the average Joe. My training automatically kicked in.
I encourage if you carry a firearm, train, train, train, as often as you can. I know it's time consuming and ammunition can get expensive, but the more training you got under your belt, the better it will serve you if you should, God forbid, ever find yourself in a life or death situation.
If you do, remember it happends fast so situational awareness is very important. The bad person, or persons will have the element of surprise more often than not.
Remember to wait your turn and never, never, draw your firearm on a drawn gun, you will get shot. Compliance doesn't guarantee you won't be harmed. There are some sick evil people out there who's intentions and motovations may not be that they just want your money and then run. Unfortunately some are targetting you or a loved one. Women need to be extra careful with all these rapists and keep an extra eye out for your children and all children, so many damn pedophiles are out there too.
Last, if you make that decision that your going to fight, go at it with everything you got, 110%, anything goes, bite, scratch, tear their eyes out, their balls, whatever to give yourself the best chance that you will survive. So for those of us that carry, I say in the end you do what you are most comfortable with. Bullet cocked and locked in the chamber ready to go, or if you prefer practice on racking that slide in all kinds of potential situations so you can be as quick as possible when it's go time. Hopefully you never will find yourself in any of these situations. I hope my experiences have helped some of you to decide. Remember no one wants to take another persons life, but if it's between you or them, you do what you have to so you can go home to your loved ones.
Goodluck everybody and take care of each other out there. We have to watch each others backs and show these guys we are not playing around anymore. Again hopefully this will help some of you in making your decision. I say go with what is comfortable for you. Always keep safe, and watch over each other out there. Semper Fi, and God Bless!
Steve Vigil or you could have tried to be a hero and ended up getting everyone killed... see because you did nothing everyone lived.. it's not always a good idea to start shooting people who have no intention of shooting you, they just wanted your stuff... now if they came in guns blazing, hell ya blow their fucking heads off...
Strumptavian Roboclick. You are very right I could have gotten everyone killed. That's why you have to be so aware of your suroundings and whatever you decide to do, go at it with 100% everything you got. Compliance doesn't always mean you or others will not be harmed. Also when they are pointing a loaded gun at your face and smacking people with it to hurry up, they have forfeited their rights and if you feel like your life is truely in danger, well then...In the end every situation is different and we all should watch out for ourselves and others especially in todays world. God bless
Steve Vigil well said.. you are one of the few I'd trust in a sticky situation with a gun..
wow..............
Your full of shit. Link us to the news story if it exists.
I always carry pocket sand just in case I get in a fight with a big guy.
I carry propane tanks, with the accessories of course
You're a disgrace soldier
Lol
😂😭😂😭😭
That's pretty brave of you. Personally, I wouldn't carry sand.
I just don't like sand. Its course, rough, and irritating, and it gets everywhere.
“You need to find a different firearm.” I’ll do what I want, sir. Quit telling me what to do!
I've been carrying everyday for over a year. I'm still hesitate to carry locked & loaded. My thought is, if an attacker statically uses ambush as there tactics. Locked & loaded really won't up your chances. Just because your carrying doesn't mean you can even draw your pistol. I prefer to use all my instincts & situation awareness to lesson any threat Or situation. I believe our brain is our greatest primary weapon & our sidearm is secondary. In my 56 years of life, i've never been drawn on, nor needed to draw. Very much hoping i continue to bat a 1000. The 2nd amendment allows either option & choice. Do what makes you comfortable. Freedom & God bless to you all.
Fudd
Absolutely agree. Carry how you’re comfortable carrying.
Well said 💪🏽
You went wrong after the first sentence. If you have a half second pull, they look away you pull unsafty and bam, they are done. You're going to watch you loved ones get hurt, with a gun on your hip.
I carried for awhile with an empty chamber when I was new to carrying everyday until I felt comfortable that I wouldn't have a neglegent discharge. I say carry however you feel safe doing so.
I personally carry my gun in my hand, finger on the trigger, aiming at all potential danger. Prepared for anything 💪
Yea right good joke though lol.
This was the funniest shit ever 😂
Finger on the trigger.....AWH
Damn homie where you from ?
Good man
My revolver only has five chambers, so I'll be damned if they ain't all loaded.
I do understand his thought process and, for the 1911 person yes. Know your weapon and your skill set. Might be a bit different for the revolver owner, would love to hear your thoughts.
@@richardblackwell4082 modern revolvers won't fire if dropped and you can't pull the trigger if it's in a holster. Can't afford to go without one to let the hammer rest on an empty chamber, and you can't afford to go without one in the next chamber because you're worried about the trigger being pulled when you don't want it to.
I don't know anything about 1911s and don't really care to. If I'm not carrying a revolver I'll be carrying a modern striker fired pistol with one in the chamber.
@@richardblackwell4082 there was a time before transfer bars that if a revolver was dropped it could "go off" which is why some people loaded a round skipped a chamber then loaded the rest which the hammer would be on an empty chamber. Almost all modern revolvers have some kind of "drop safe" mechanism so load em up.
Damn right...charter arms .357 mag pug...If’n I’m gonna hit all five o’ my toes...I needs all them holes filled!
@@KrimsonChief Most modern revolvers like the LCR & the Smith & Wesson M&P Bodyguard do not have hammers for that reason.
This is why I carry a snubnose revolver don’t have to worry about no dam slide or even cocking a hammer I pull it out it’s ready to shoot it’s perfectly safe to carry I’ve carried my 357/38 special snub nose for over 10 years never had an issue with it always loaded and ready to defend me
I don’t always carry a gun, but when I do, the water tank is always to the “full” position.
I've been in a number of self defense situations as a delivery driver, I was a security guard for about 3 years, and now I'm working my way to becoming a police officer. All I can say is that if somebody attacks you so fast that you didn't even have time to rack a round into the chamber, you were gonna get got anyway.
Please record when you tell other officers that you carry without one in the chamber. I want to see the look on their faces.
Was scrolling looking for this. If you dont have enough time to charge a round you were goanna be shot anyway because we aint john wick out here. Being in the military we only lock and load if the weapon is goanna be in your hand at the low ready because some weapons just take a bump to release the bolt or pin. I have seen alot of accidental discharges and people lose rank or their career for it.
@@jayg4424 Look at this 🤡
My thought exactly. And honestly most people that carry with one in the pipe probably don’t regularly practice drawing and shooting their weapon at the range. I guarantee I can draw, cock, and accurately shoot my pistol faster than most guys can draw and shoot.
This is comment has too much common sense to belong on RUclips. You're right, though.
If you are supposed to always treat a gun like it's loaded anyway, you might as well load it.
I dont and will never carry one in the chamber but Ill be damned if this doesnt make sense. Nice point.
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Stefan Andre you ought to look at getting a DA/SA handgun that stays decocked until you pull the trigger. As you draw the trigger to the rear it lifts the hammer. Look at a CZ P-07.
thats a pretty good one. i laughed
its seriously dumb if people dont carry with one down the pipe these days. there are so many options!
I don't go anywhere unless absolutely necessary. Like the grocery store twice a month. The only other places I've gone in the last month is the gun store and my private range. I got used to staying at home during 2020 and I'm fine with that. Just have to restock food every now and then. Lost my trust and everybody I've known out here from ripping me off. So Nobody invites me to go shooting off-roading or anything with them anymore. After I taught everyone how to shoot and reload that was in our group. Which is fine I'm very happy being alone I discovered. Less frustration.
Agree to disagree. Carry how ever you feel comfortable.
Joshua Romesburg if you carry unloaded because you don’t feel comfortable with 1 in the you don’t need to carry, pick up a taser or a rape whistle 🤷🏽♂️
@@DoingOurThingOutdoors you shouldnt be telling someone how to carry their own firearm...
Jeremy V 😂😂 you must be gay too
Timoithy Walker Did I not say agree to disagree or was that a dream?
Heru Jr. of Kemet I don’t
I always carry some Gatorade, in case my wife's boyfriend gets thirsty.
And, I really appreciate you doing that for me!! :)
@@koba9204 hey that's where you've been getting the Gatorade from
@@poofy0790 Yes, Plus, Hey Burt, I'm sorry, but, WE are out of milk again!! No problem though, I'll be picking up some more shortly, Along with another case of Gatorade!!
You really are a chad.
@@koba9204 It is not milk or melted ice cream but Burt has to eat it anyway because his gun is small caliber and misfires all the time.
Those who dont....never accidentally shoot the wrong person or have a misfire. It's nice to have that buffer.
Weapons Safety Rules...
Rule #1- Treat Every Weapon as if it were loaded.
Rule #2- Never point your weapon at Anything you do not intend to shoot.
Rule #3- Keep your weapon on safe until you intend to fire.
Rule #4- Keep your fingers straight & off the trigger until you're ready to fire.
*Rule #5- Know your target and what lies beyond it.
As long as you're following these rules while you carry, open or concealed & chambered round or not doesn't matter, you will be fine. I learned these rules in a special place and they stuck with me for years after I left that place and I made sure to get these rules down pack long before I ever received or purchased any firearms of my own. I'm a man who carries on an empty chamber, but I am also a man who stays to himself, keeps out of trouble, and quickly distances himself from situations that have potential to get violent or bring more trouble. I've had my handgun for only a few years, yes I do carry it with me all the time every day & nearly everywhere I go, but I have only had to draw it on someone ONCE since I've had it (Some road raging asshole in traffic) and never had to do it again. Yes, violence can happen in the blink of an eye, yes a calm & peaceful situation can turn violent & deadly in an instant, but I still CHOOSE to carry empty chamber. I've had many people tell me that im a fool for carrying my weapon this way, and i pay them no mind because of the fact that most accidental shootings come from Negligent Discharges of people who are way too comfortable, careless and COMPLACENT with their weapons (& They usually end up hurting themselves and people close to them when it happens). The way I see it is, your first reaction should be to distance yourself and or your loved ones from the situation before reacting with your weapon, deadly force should be the absolute LAST RESORT, period. #PreserveLifeBeforeTakingLife
I never have a round in the chamber of my .45 auto. Can draw and chamber a round as fast as drawing and flipping safety off plain & simple. Only one free hand? Maybe that isn't the best time to pull your weapon out. If you're slow I guess having a round in the chamber is a plus. Stupid FBI agents wouldn't shoot people in nightclubs while dancing without having a round in the chamber.
Mr.Kevin Haegele Agreed.
RAH
Expendable carrying with an empty chamber is like saying ill put my seatbelt on right b4 the crash. Someone grabs ahold of your left arm and starts stabbing you all you have free is your strong arm to draw and shoot... Do you want to be able to shoot or try to rack the slide while a knife is being swung at you?
Rule #76 No excuses play like a champion!
I agree with most of what you said except for a few ideas. In all my years as a trainer with firearms, I have found that many people that are intimidated by guns or are apprehensive about carrying one have to be treated a bit differently when first introduced to daily carry. You can't simply demand they carry a particular way just because it's how you carry it or because it's quicker to draw. That will only make them want to not carry one at all. That's the opposite of what you're trying to do. You also have to remember that a newbie to guns is not going to try to out draw anyone anyway, so let's put that aside for now. Let's just get them comfortable with carrying a gun. Let's teach them it's capabilities and limitations.
With familiarity comes trust. People have to know their guns and how they function before they can trust them. No matter how much you try to show them safeties work, they will not trust them until they are ready to. Instead let's train them to load, shoot and unload their guns. Throw in some marksmanship just to make it fun. Stress safety all the time.
It will not take long before they begin to feel they know their gun and begin to develop a trust in it's capabilities and limitations. Then the willingness to carry a loaded gun will follow. If you know someone who still carries an unloaded gun even after years of carrying, then they still don't trust their gun because of lack of training. I'm not talking about shooting cans in the backyard, but real training. Real training develops trust. Until then, they're just trigger pullers.
Also on another point. You say there's no difference between a hammer forward guy and the "I'll rack it later" guy. There's actually a very big difference. I can arm the hammer on a single action only pistol or revolver with one hand. It's been done that way for many, many decades. I would need two hands to rack a semi-auto. (yeah, yeah, I know. Some guns are designed to rack with one hand...blah. blah. blah....whatever.....I've yet to see anyone ever do that on a range while TRAINING.) The one handed operation is very doable in comparison to the "hold on a sec...lemme load my gun" scenario. Those two are not just alike or even similar.
Ok valid argument. I'm in a communist state (Maryland) May Issue Only , and they my not over 93% of the time. I'll take a bystander with a permit with and empty chamber than one with (like me) no chamber.
I agree with most of what you said, except a newbie should NOT be starting out with a semiauto. There's nothing wrong with the much more reliable DA revolver for beginners.
There are no FTFs or FTEs with a revolver, no safeties to think about, no magazines to go bad, and they will handle just about any load and bullet configuration you can put in the chamber. You also cannot put a round backwards in a revolver's chamber like newbies try with semiauto magazines.
It's a shame that some people think a revolver is obsolete. They can be dead wrong.
"Please keep it respectful." (Instantly starts talking about people like they're idiots)
Most people are worthless ignorant idiots
@@BPTtech I'm sure you're a regular Freud.
@@thisguy1413 proved my point
@@BPTtech and most not.
The vaginas are offended
Just a small point I'd like to make about carrying on a loaded chamber. Recently a RUclipsr said one of his friends accidentally shot himself when his windbreaker draw string got cought in his OWB holster. When he inserted the gun he the string pulled the trigger.
May I suggest if you're going to carry one in the chamber use a 1911 with a sharp over the hammer. Cooked and locked.
The amazing bit is his logic works against him
"Violence blindsides you, so you should always be at the ready"
Well if some guy violently blinsedly grabs the gun from my holster, I'm sure I'll appreciate the few moments for him to rack the slide, so I can grab it from him.
Talk all the training you want, you can't prepare for everything.
Violence blind sides you.
That's why you carry concealed...
If you want to be even more effective, carry a completely unloaded gun. Then when the guy grabs your gun, you'd have even more time to take the gun back because it doesn't matter how many times he racks the slide.
@@aramfingal5180 This is honestly genius, open carry one gun, unloaded, concealed carry another unloaded, so when they grab your gun, they'll think you're defenseless
@@GearsofFallen who are you billy the kid?
John Clark I’m guessing edgy 16-20 year old John wick wannabe, but what’s the difference
When I took over an infantry platoon in RVN the most dangerous thing we had to overcome, other than booby traps, was negligent discharge. We went 29 consecutive days making enemy contact every day and still one of our worst enemies was city born and bred troops shooting each other or almost shooting each other with negligent discharge. The first order I put in place was a safety check. We went out on ambush patrol four nights a week and did search and destroy every day and I didn't want anyone carrying a weapon without one in the pipe. So about every fifteen minutes while we were moving I would pass the word, "safety check". Everyone consciously felt their safety lever to make sure it was safe. I also made everyone safety conscious by continuously talking about safety. We still had a negligent discharge from a replacement troop one time and I made him clear his weapon and put the magazine in his pocket for the remainder of the patrol. Gave him something to think about and remember. Eventually our negligent discharge rate went to zero for as long as I commanded the platoon. I'm guessing it carried on long after I was gone.
Interestingly similar to our safety protocols at a manufacturing plant, and dealing with the same negligence or comfort negligence. Salute!💯💯💯
Ok.
Nice story.
So……
If you’re carrying a pistol for self defense.
Do you carry with an empty chamber or with a live round loaded.
Simple question.
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Sir I was in that platoon and after all of your hammering about safety I shoved my wife off the roof to defy you as well as teach my children about the safety of gravity. I’m typing this on a $12,000 laptop now that the insurance check is in. Thanks for the safety talk!!!
This discipline is what differs. It's funny how people carry on about military experience being what matters in this discussion. We might have the greatest military on earth, but that doesn't change the fact that there are a lot of knuckleheads within the ranks. I've seen plenty of negligent discharges, but never had one myself.
My position on this topic: Always respect the weapon, quick from the holster, slow return to the holster...only time one is in the pipe is when holstered, but there is always one in the chamber when holstered. So if it is a 1911 style safety I would carry cocked and locked.
thank you for your service, you paved the way
lol, just do what makes you feel comfortable...
I would say this but I’ve seen a lot of situation where that split second to rack the slide will cost you your life not to bash anyone but yeah I just would rather someone feel unsafe than lose there life over that split second
If you've come this far without being instantly killed. Odds are that you are more likely to have an accidental discharge handling a chambered gun several times every day than being killed instantly, even with training. And if so, what difference would carrying chambered do? It would still be like trying to put on a seatbelt the moment before you crash. Use situational awareness training in addition to firearms training.
Preach fam. Exactly, peeps who wanna carry hot, carry hot. People who don’t want to, don’t. It kinda becomes a stupid debate at some point.
@@kilofoxtrot5476 sure, but it doesn’t mean you have to carry hot just because you carry. Carry how you prefer, simple as that.
@@chuckg9731 It is amazing bro how many chambered nerds feel so offended when these facts are laid out. Is it wrong to carry hot? No, if your situation calls for a faster draw, such as a security job, or a job that is located in a bad neighborhood, by all means, makes sense to carry hot. But the reality is, most people that carry aren’t going to war. They aren’t in a security job. They don’t work in shitty neighborhoods. Most gun owners that carry are average everyday suburban fucks that happen to love guns, and are influenced by tactical videos, and youtube crime videos that make them validate carrying hot. The hard truth is exactly that, you carry hot and handle guns multiple times a day, probability does not lie. You roll the dice every single day, and for most that have kids, or family members, that risk just ain’t worth it. If people wanna carry hot, carry hot. But if you carry hot, don’t criticize very rational people who understand the higher chances of having an ND and don’t buy into the ‘always scared’ mentality that the youtube chambered nerds eat up by watching too many videos. Carry how you prefer, and carry based on your situation. That’s it.
In Afghanistan I carried a Berretta and an M4. I chambered rounds when outside the wall but on post I did not. In everyday life accidents are way more common than split-second violence. You can always adjust your posture if the situation dictates, but to just walk around hot all the time....unnecessary in my opinion.
When i was in law enforcement, i would have said for sure always keep it loaded. Now that i am a husband and a father with a 4 year old i have to consider and calculate all potential possibilities. Statistically speaking, there is a greater possibility of my son somehow getting his hands on my weapon and pulling the trigger, than being is a wyatt earp style quick draw shootout with a bad guy. The point is that you can still defend your family while mitigating risk of mishandling. The point is to be aware and to practice whatever system works best for you
The most important thing you said was " PRACTICE WHATEVER SYSTEM WORKS FOR YOU " !! How often does someone take 10-15 minutes a month and practice, even a dry fire .??? That's what is needed. Good point C W .
I've never carried in my life, but I've always tried to avoid high risk situations. When strangers approach me, especially after dark, at 15FT away I tell them to stop and then ask what they want. Now, that I have a job as an insurance adjuster and that's going to put me in certain areas (including other states) that may be unsafe. I'm months away, so I'm going through preparations. The legal issues actually concern me more than the need for a weapon. Ideally, I just want to have one in the car for a possible emergency. I don't feel it always necessary to have it on my person. With law enforcement, having it in plain view seems to be more dangerous because of the nervousness it can create. I at least want to be able to have a chance to say that I'm carrying.The laws feel like a minefield. Do I have to get a license in every state that I go to or is there a more general protocol that I can follow? It seems that there should be a national license available to cover my type of situation.
poseidon3032 actually you can not get a license to carry in any other state than where you live. Some neighboring states recognize eachothers carry laws. Also, There are many states that consider your car an extension of your home and let you carry in your car without a carry permit. As for law enforcement is concerned, if you get pulled over, keep your hands on the steering wheel and the 1st thing you tell the officer is that you have a weapon and where it is. He may ask you ro step out or tell you to keep it right there, either way he will appreciate it. There is alot to learn but the most important thing you can learn is how to shoot well.
Thanks for your response. It also seems training would need to be two-fold. Using the gun correctly and ways to de-escalate a situation.
Hand grenades work wonders to diffuse dangerous situations.
I’m willing to take my chances, and I keep my chamber clear. I will not carry with a chambered round. There’s too many things that can go wrong. I’d rather be a fatality myself, than to shoot an innocent bystander or myself accidentally. Just how I feel.
Fully agree. The chance of an accident happening far outweighs the chance of a deadly encounter.
@@mitchellsheridan5252 Because the chance of a deadly encounter where a chambered round would make the difference is very low for most people, and the other 99.999% of the time the chambered round is simply a liability.
Jeez, I've carried in Condition 1 for decades and never had an AD. Guys, if you can't carry a semiauto with a round in the chamber, you need more training AND more practice. The only way the gun will fire is if you release the safety and pull the trigger... which is what the gun is designed to do. If you carry with an empty chamber and rack the slide, the gun is now loaded with the safety off! The OP has a point... don't think you're armed just because you're carrying a gun.
@@SEALCOATINGISLIFE my G23 doesn't have an active safety either, but it has a passive safety and is only semi-cocked... and I've carried it with a round in the chamber for years without an AD... dawg
@@johnclifford1911 Not all guns have a safety.
Personally, I'd go with a conceal carry with an empty chamber. If havoc breaks out in a civilian setting, concealed carry means you likely won't be a priority target and you'll find time to set yourself up for the appropriate defense.
That’s exactly what I be thinking when conceal carrying without a chambered round.
Yea and who tf discharges their weapon outside of cover or concealment? This guy expects you to just whip out your pistol in any situation and unload on the perp. Dude must be some LAPD cop or something.
@@tonyweaver2353 someone who’s in a confrontation? Maybe the aggressor is 100 lbs heavier than you and trying to rob you at knife point? Maybe you don’t have enough time to get to “cover or concealment”? This is one example of many?
@@MrBlackey666 Buddy, if some 300 lb dude with a knife is at my back I would have known it a lot sooner. People think a gun is an answer. No first and foremost is being aware of your surroundings and ready to administer that double lung heart shot to kill when necessary. Gun training teaches you to shoot. Hunter education teaches you to be aware of your surroundings and predict your prey's movements, and or predator. If someone that wants to harm you gets the drop on you first, you took one tragic misstep in self defense. Always be ready.
@@tonyweaver2353 bruh no offense but you’re kinda thick. There’s a million situations that could happen, you don’t always have time to get to concealment. And you saying “prey” is idiotic. You are the prey. Yes being aware is necessary but you’re not out hunting.. you’ve got the way wrong idea
If you dont feel comfortable with a round in the chamber you shouldn't be carrying a gun in the fist place. Its all about training and being comfortable with your firearm.
"They know there's the potential for an accident" yeah, those are the smart gun owners. People who think something can't go wrong are why owning a gun increases the chance you or someone you love gets shot.
That's from the old busted Kellerman "study" which purported to "show" that having a gun in the house means you're more likely to die by gunfire.
What the quack doing the study didn't report is that in the majority of cases he cited, they weren't shot by a gun from the home or by someone in the home, but by an invader, and they all had long escalating careers in crime.
Repeating lies doesn't make the lies any better.
If u got a good holster and are proficient with your equipment nothing can go wrong lol
@@jakethecake4050 shitty gun designs can easily prove you wrong.
@@jakethecake4050 Found the negligent gun owner lol
Carrying without a round in the chamber is a good way to get shot. Carrying on an empty chamber is stupid.