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- Опубликовано: 26 июн 2009
- Phil's last game.
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The simple fact is that SA developed a plan to take advantage of the inadequacy of the weak NZ referee at refereeing the scrum. The Beast, while being a strong and decent prop, swung his backside out clockwise and illegally bored in on the tight head (Vickery) while the SA hooker pushed left to force Vickery upward. The video is quite explicit. Most junior league front rows know how to do this, but most junior league referees know how to penalise it, unlike Bryce Lawrence. This is why Lawrence never got another match of any importance and disappeared into obscurity, thanks God.
Peter Mitchell I think you’re forgetting the 2011 RWC quarter/semi (I don’t remember) finals, in which Bryce Lawrence ruined the game with his refereeing, it was after this game that he didn’t get another game of importance 😂
You are correct, I will add that scrumming is the collective effort of 8 people and not just the prop! Beast and Bismarck made live hell for PV. Great job to the forward coach
He refereed plenty of games after that and besides if you cant adapt to the opposing teams technique then you are simply not good enough 💁🏻♂️
In my humble opinion that series was some of the best rugby I have ever seen...That 2nd Test at Loftus....hectic..so glad the Boks pulled through at the end.Must admit after watching Walking with the Pride I felt a bit sorry for O'Gara..The BIL changeroom was dead quiet...They must having been listening to the Boks celebrating as the change rooms at Loftus is quite close to each other
I dunno about "Broken" or "ends his career", that's just child talk, but Beast is one hell of a scrummager at LH. Strongest in the world for some time now I think.
yoe91 or a bit like how Eddie Jones is being raped in SA right now.
Beast completely murdered Vickery. They had to drop him from the squad and start adam jones
And didnt Jones get his shoulder dislocated in the 2nd Test
if boring in is scrumming
Vickery outstanding player. Great career. Multiple titles including World cup winner. Have some respect.
what? Vick just got creamed. During 3rd test match, he got creamed by Beast when he came on, then the coaches took him off immediately... he lost fair and square. but i admit, Welsh props were magnificient
BEEEEEAAASSSSSTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!
You beauty!
Forgive them for they are idiots who just don't know better. I am south african, and I want those guys to play the best out there. If the opposition star play gets hurt, I would give a pint of my own blood to keep him on the feild.
More glory to be had tjhat way, and glory is what its all about surley.
What gets me and it’s unfortunately becoming more prevalent in the game is that loose heads are boring in on the opposite tight head, and the referees don’t penalise it, props are supposed under the laws push straight.
Whilst there may be some dark mystical art to playing in the front row according to those that have never done it or are ex players commentating that have never played in that position.
The truth of the matter is it takes a lot of strength and fitness to play either position, that said under the laws props of either persuasion have to push straight , if one pack gets the nudge on then fair enough, but the initial engagement AND following action is supposed to be straight not at an angle
This is a harsh video. It wasnt just down to Vickery but also mears and the 2nd rows. Vickery held his own in the 3rd test with shaw in behind him.
I'd love to see a northern hemisphere vs southern hemisphere game in between world cups.
Vickery was certainly given a testing time against the beast in the first test, but in fairness to him, he came out in the third test and definitely got his own back on the South Africa scrum, ended up winning several penalties for the Lions. Credit to the guy, he knows how to fight back
Please..third test the series was over by then
people forget too quickly that vickery played this game because he was the outstanding tighthead in the warm up games. He was never the world's greatest scrummager, but around the park he was absolutely awesome in his prime.
one bad game doesn't make a bad player, and he came back for the last test and scrummaged very well.
He played in the last test
And then the beast got absolutely owned by the same Phil Vickery in the next test, with 20 stones of Simon Shaw pushing behind. Wasn't his scrummaging, it was the 2nd row shove. Go look before you gloat
BEAAAASTT!! Well done my boy! You make us proud to be South Africans ( even if you from Zim ) International Superstar!! Best Tight Head in the World!
Zim & SA what's the difference?
@@rasrealitymacky3489 wellllll.. i hate to inform you . but south africa and zim are 2 separate counties
South Africa never had slaves. There are domestic workers (kinda like nannies) but they get paid and there is even a minimum wage. There was a racist white government, and now there is a racist black government.
In the face of all of this, the Springboks overcome the obstacles and win world cups, Lions series, super 14s, tri nations, 7's world cups, masters world cups and become the IRB's world number 1 ranked team.
Any other questions?
Sefrican props best in the world..........always have been .
Beautiful rendition of Swing Low... by the way.
Sounds like a bloody funeral dirge....
😂😂🤣🤣🤣this video totally brutalises Vickery
Yeah but, i don't remember Mtawarira winning celebrity masterchef
Nah you're right, I just remember him winning a world cup though
So happy the Beast finally got a RWC trophy in his drawer
Beast is strong but he couldn't anything with Mr jones
@@dezertfox3681 dude wasnt even there in 2007.. Or you must be talking about 2019
@@dezertfox3681 Both were against england. I thought u must of mistaken him in the 2007 RWC squad
Mr Jones received his worst rugby injury against the Boks power forwards
Ireland vs. SA is going to be soooooo one sided. Sorry, but it's true. On the heavy tracks up north, the Boks will grind any team into dust. That is unless Paul Honiss is reffing that is. Then he might let you win by gifting you guys a try like he did a few years back.
People dislike this video, because it offends them ... but most of all, because it is true. The beast absolutely raped. ( Basically, Poms got their ego's hurt and hit the dislike button. I don't know why they place such value on themselves, shit at every sport)
And then the beast got absolutely owned by the same Phil Vickery in the next test, with 20 stones of Simon Shaw pushing behind. Wasn't his scrummaging, it was the 2nd row. Go look before you gloat
Dick
Nice vid Combat Bok and well done to the Springboks for there win but the real winners were all us fans who have witnessed a full on old fashioned test series which even the World Cup cannot match!! Come on the Lions in Johannesburg and leave with a win!!
any prop wouldve gotten destry by Beast on that day tbf to old phil...
hahahahah his last game hahahahahaah every time i see this video i cant stop laughing, your british and irish lions v springboks videos are the best combatbok
Beeeeeaaaaaaaaaaassssssssssssssttttttttttttttt!!!! so proud to live in South Africa :) BoKKe 4 Lyf!
Yup, Beast is one magnificent scrum machine. Perhaps the best Zimbabwean rugby player yet! Lucky boks he didn't go anywhere else.
BEAST!
He also ended coles international career in a world cup final. He must not like the English props.
a) It wasen't Phil's last game, he played in the third test. b) In the third test he got his payback against mtwarira and won a few penalties aswell as a solid performance in the loose. So no mate, mtwarira didn't end Phil's career, he ended it due to age and the accumulation of injuries. Watch the third test and see the improvement.
Got his payback? I love how this myth has grown in the minds of Lions fans. At best Vickery held his own - as you'd expect from an international prop. But the way he celebrated that parity speaks volumes about how he was bossed in the 1st test.
For some perspective, here's a contemporary assessment of Vickery's performance: "Was clearly desperate for his shot at redemption and whilst he didn’t dominate his opposite number, he without a doubt held his own. A fully-commited workhorse, he showed up very well in the loose throughout the match showing good hands, and powerful bursts through the Springbok defense."
The 3rd test was an non issue...He couldnt do it when it mattered the most
adam jones repaired the damage mtawarira did to vickery in the second test, glad thats that for vickery
Sorry for my BAD english :P
phil vickery was legend in the scrum
Until the Beast Tendai was born 😂🤣🤣🤣
Vickery sent packing by Beast!!
this isn't fair, he is one of the best props southern hemisphere rugby has seen. one bad game and suddenly you have the right to make a horrible video about him? just no.
Very conveninent classification, Salesharks07 ... Burger (and I'm not defending him) gets lambasted, but nothing is said about Jennings, Best and Quinlan, because it wouldn't "fit" with the Northern Hemisphere view of the "thugs" down south. Absolutely love the way we, the ABs and Wallabies are branded as thugs when we're winning, but the Brits and Irish are all "tough guys" when they're winning. Myopia seems to me the national sport up there.
@harrymail7 basically, Mtawarira turned Vickery's shoulder into swollen man-putty.
what a legend the beast
Poetry in motion.
It ain't the 1920s wotsup with the footage
Don't care what he did for England, when he played this game he represented Britain and Ireland so I reserve the right to condider him SHIT.
What a horrible video to make. He had one bad game but had a distinguished career before this tour and if you've ever heard him interviewed he is a top bloke who doesn't deserve this.
this is beautiful
Yes
everyone look up the video of Jonah Lomu puting Vickery on his arse lol
@Gcontrol2007 Yeah, that is a fair point. Anyone who has watched Vickery over the course of his career will agree that the man doesn't lack for bucket loads of character. Will definitely give that to the English - it's an enviable trait of your rugby (guts). Thank God the ABs don't have it, or no one would ever see the world cup!
this was actually quite sad to watch
great vid
im an irishman too and i think that the southern hem is good, but there not as good as they think they are, i like most of the south african team, but some can be dirty as fuck. but truthfully this is about tendai mtawairira so just let that be it.
@CitySaffer See the kick by Vickery on Bismark du Plessis in the last few seconds of the clip? And we're the thugs?
theres not a keyboard warrior out there who could play at this level, never mind survive one scrum against Mtawarira, and i would have a broken prop than a broken country, just sayin....
yeah fair enough but fair play vickery was well and truely smashed in that test, one of the most one sided scrums iv'e ever seen
true, i guess even saffas rate hayman as the best in the world
As to why Murray wasn't first choice tighthead I'll never know. Played him in the midweek, got injured. Twice the prop of vickery even when vickery wasn't totally past it.
thefdt but nowhere near Adam Jones unfortunately..... Same goes for vickery as well
Wow, insightful stuff
That it's beautiful !!!
yes because thugs dont gouge eyes do they
If the beast had scrummaged properly he would not have got away with what he did Never pushed Straight
HAHAHAHAHAHA BROKEN! AND NO WAY OF PUTTING IT BETTER!!!!!
@CitySaffer You're at it again! "The northern hemisphere view". I'm northern hem, love rugby, AB's and SA's, I've been there, watched Super 14 and made lifelong friendships! Again, we aren't ALL as the propaganda machine makes out! Ignore the pillocks on the board, there's many up here AND down there. Beast, like Mujati, is playing superbly well beyond his young years for a prop, not sure of your TIGHT head options re WC, the 7 other positions in your pack are great dep on PDV selection policy!
THE BEAST TENDAI 💪 BEST PROP EVER
personally i dont think South African rugby is full of thugs, every team will get into a fight at least once, its envitable, doesnt mean theyre thugs. tbh i agree, martin johnson was a bit of a hot-head, bu thers no need 2 say go and win a 6 nations "for a change" if you look it up we've won it the most amount of times
@CitySaffer well thought out and well put. very true
Can somebody in the know with regards to scrummaging tell me something?? Are the props supposed to drive straight as in not up or down??? As in drive horizontally!!! Why does it look like the Beast is constantly getting under and driving up...rather than engaging and driving through?? And in at least one of the scrums (at 0.35) his ass is perpendicular to the scrum...like hes driving in on the tightnead!!! Or am I just reading the engagement and drive wrong??
the sprinbok prop was better, no debut about that, but the reff can play a better rol, mwawarira cross vickery all the scrums,
what ever the welsh props RULES!!!!!!!
@CitySaffer I'm English and totally agree with you mate! Cueto has just been given a "nambypamby" 9 weeks for contact with the eyes of a Saints lock...pathetic! Don't class me with some of the "narrow minded" whingers we have up here, there's foul play in every country. HOWEVER, my biggest rant is the lack of consistency either by the referee or via the citing commissioner, it's laughable!
@Peacecap 4sure GSK is up there, questionable in 2009 but had a great 2010 super 15 4 the bulls... hope he makes the WC squad however I just cant see him pipping the beast to a place in the starting line up @WRC2011 if fully fit! The 'Beast' is still learning all the time... which is pretty scary for opponents!
@umaa002 haha yeah i'm trying to find highlights of that 2002 match
@thesaoak Mtawarira is a loosehead prop. Very good prop, but in my opinion not as good as Gurthrö 'The Beast of Yucca Flats' Steenkamp.
Awesome scrummaging. But the ref was weak as piss - he was boring the whole match. However, as long as the ref lets you do it, you do it. PV also needed to speak to his flankers to get them to hold him straight. Again: beast good, referee fucking terrible. Speaking as a prop.
It didnt ruin his career.
Wonder how the Beast would've got on against the Raging Bull when Phil was at his peak 2002-2003
He didn't do to well against Os if I remember correctly. Lol
Is this the game where John Hayes came on and had a great game
No mate it was Adam Jones.... He came on and dominated beast for rest of game and earned a start in the 2nd test... Until botha dislocated his shoulder when clearing out a ruck.... Legally may I add.... Adam's word's not mine... Then vickery came back in 3rd test after Adam Jones had been coaching him and got retribution on the beast
well i didn't know that because they don't teach that here in florida. lol
what are you talkin about? i was asking if they had slaves period. i have no idea what you're talkin about.
the beast is probably all time stronger than vickery but the cornish bull is past his prime here, I'd like to see them go at it when they were both in the prime, too bad we dont have some crazy time machine and have an all time forwards battle face off, totally get stoned and watch that
BBeeeeeaaaaaaassssssstttt
@CitySaffer firstly in ireland we have our 2 national sports before rugby, secondly as a munster fan i have great time to watch southern hemisphere rugby, i think it's far more entertaining and i would never brand it as thugish, the way rugby is played down with yea is a far more physical contest which is what i love to see in rugby, that's why i'm always chuffed when we get foreign players with us like the likes of jean de villiers and dougie howlett
Ha Ha-Beeeeeeeeeeast!!!
Are you for real?! SA abolished slavery in the early 1800's, one of the first "western nations" to do so.
i dont understand rugby very well can someone explain to me what Mtawarira is doing to "own" vickery a very technical explaination please
totally the wrong decision to field vickery in the first place. Adam Jones was by far the better player and is still one of the best props in the world. what a difference Adam made to the game, mtawarira struggled against him.
Beeeaaaast
u guys dont know alot about scrummaging. props arnt rlly good till about 26+ yr old (i know phill is 32, but thats still in acceptable range imho). Phil just got anally pumped. and as a prop myself, phil just had one of those days, where the ref singles u out early, ur tired, over excited and haven't versed a quality scrum in a while. phil isn't the cream of the crop anyways. most, if not all of the tri-nation props would send him packing.
So what exactly happened here? Not knowing much about rugby.
@deandurbin I agree, alot of people just like to run their mouths about players this and that but do not actually know how competitive it is out there on the paddick. You win some and lose some...but the good players were there for many times giving it their all....but as soon as some new prick has a good game then it's out with the old and in with the new.....they are not true fans of the game...only a fan of the hype!
BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAST
BBBEEEEAAAAASSSSSSTTTTTTTT!!!
oh come on how can you ga from watching this clip to having a go at the whole southern hem. this clip is about beast playing a better game then vickery thats all, dont be sour.
Yeah and let’s not forget the age difference between these two guys vicks was at the end of his career and the beast just starting
@harefavourites friend, blaming the ref in rugby brands a person... think twice before you say stuff like that...
the beast owned him O.o
@moffster lol theres just been 1 if u diddnt know, southern won :'( oh well
@gfdsa54321k very true super 15 has better more aggresive rugby but the defence is lacking, I'm not saying they can walk to the line whilst reading a magazine of fhm but in the premiership take saracens who won the league this year and had one of the lowest bonus point scores, its just a different way to play, and yeah rugby isn't as big up here due to the littke thing called football that dominates every pub in this rock
doesn't look like it
John Hayes is better than Vickery, as he proved in the third test.
Lucky it wasn't Japan.....they'd have stuffed the boks
lol cya tubby!
mayb wit a diferent ref sum of those decisions cud of gone the other way!!
Really nha10? you advocate punching, do you? Play me ONE clip of the Lions series showing a Bok throwing a punch. Just one. As opposed to BoD, Phillips, etc ...
Who're the thugs now? Gits.