@@andreasnilsson6857 My SO is Scouse and he tries to hide his scouse accent. To be honest it sounds a bit like Birmingham accent when he tries not to sound Scouse lol.
Brum Native. Tiny bit exaggerated by Jon but only just a little. The Black country accent gets stronger in the North West and then transforms into something almost like Old English in places. Some will say instead of 'yes' will say 'yay'
It's way too exaggerated. The Brummie accent is much more subtle than this parody. It's much more dulcet in its delivery. Commentators are using terms like "theatrical", "exaggerated" and "comedy" because they are experiencing the accent being ridiculed.
I am an American, trying to get a grasp on the Brummie accent, but every RUclips video I watch the comment section is full of people saying “that’s not a Brummie accent“ 😅
I'd much rather listen to a thick/heavy Texan accent - UK'er. Brummies have an advantage, people think they're stupid, because of their accent, & they're therefore often underestimated
This Gideon and Jon partnership works very well, you are making my weekend, 😄 the mouth movement is almost theatrical, magnificent to know the differences in words "Bostin" and accents between cities, Nice work, thank you so much for preparing this material🤗
Im a yank living in solihull and have to go to dudley every week (im a footballer). I second that. The accents are so much different in the Black Country compared to in the city of Birmingham itself.
Exactly. In fact Jon's accent is even too much for "yamyam". It's an insulting comedic parody of an accent performed by a disparaging Solihull expat (who wrongly told us Solihull is in Birmingham) giving a totally skewed impression of something that is spoken with much more subtlety.
When I saw this video come up in my sub feed I remembered back to over twenty years ago when I worked with a young kid who came to the US from Birmingham to work for the summer and him telling me about Spaghetti Junction, I was really impressed when you mentioned it!
You could have included J. R. R. Tolkien among your famous Brummies. He spent his early years in Sarehole and then Rednal. The old mill at Sarehole is preserved partly because it was the inspiration for the mill run by the Sandyman family in Hobbiton. After his mother died he lived in a rented room in a house in Edgbaston, and then was sent to King Edward's School. Not that you'd hear a Brummie accent from him. It was much later by the time any recordings were made of his voice, and he had acquired an Oxford Don accent.
Neither do people from Dudley and Wolverhampton speak like that. My Father was from kidderminster, next town from Stourbridge (black Country is described as Stourbridge, Dudley and Wolverhampton for people who don't know, Kidderminster actually had it's own accent very similar to the black country but has become very scarce has the carpet industry declined. ) I moved away from the area years ago. Naturally my accent changed over time. If I speak with a black country accent now, it sounds very fake, I think it could be the same for the camera man.
Thanks for the video. As a non native who has lived in the West Midlands for over 20 years I have come to the conclusion that there is no such thing as a single Brummie accent but rather it's an accent spectrum across the city with peculiar features in different districts. Don't ask a Brummie to do a Brummie accent because they nearly always over do it. I think there are subtle differences and it's best hearing folk speak naturally. I am sure folk in Northfield /Kings Norton - south and West areas etc sound different to folk from the East side. The Black Country dialects are the same. I believe there are specific speech features in every part of the Black Country, IE . Areas and towns like Dudley and Gornalwood. Ask a person from the Black Country. Both Black Country and Birmingham accents are non rhotic but folk from places west and South of the region like Worcestershire roll the R at the end of a word. Just listen to the announcements on the West Midlands trains. You can pick these features up. That's been my observation. But I could be wrong. Cheers, Gideon for the engaging style and presentation.
Difficult But Funny Accent. Mr. Gideon's Brummie Accent Is Funny. I Think It's A Video Designed For Advance Speakers. As Usual Excellent Video. Yes, He Is The Best English Teacher In The World. Nice Featuring Mr. Jon. Great Job!
It is simply "how am ya" as black country folk replace are with am... for example "we am coming" or "you am alright" or "what am we having for tay?" Brummies do NOT speak like this so Black Country and Brummie accents absolutely are very different indeed. There are many more unique words spoken by black country folk such as "ay" instead of "aren't", "cor" instead of "can't", "woe" instead of "won't" and "doh" instead of "don't". We say "wore" instead of "weren't" and say "day" instead of "didn't". We also pronounce "going" as "gewing" so not only is the Brummie accent different to Black Country the dialect has vast differences too. "Anyway i cor be bothered to type much more an' i doh want this comment to be mossive, i ay had any tay yet an' i wow be gerrin' any kip at this rate... I wore even gonna comment but i cor help it.. gorra 'ave it right ay we! Anyway, I day mean to type this much so om gewin'. Mar bad. Ta'ra abit!"
You're wrong about the Brummie pronunciation of laugh, it is definitely larf, however in the black country it is pronounced the way you said. It's a very good way to distinguish the two accents
Im american and live in solihul at the moment. (Playing non league football in Dudley). Im used to the accent. I’ve been here since late November and will be in the midlands till late may. I love it here so far. The accent is something im used to.
I'm an Aussie, and am fascinated by the Brummie pronunciation of words like stay, play, coat and boat, which sound a lot like they do in a broad Aussie accent - even though I'd generally place our accent between Cockney and RP.
Well 'we' don't have just one accent though. I have noticed that the accent I used as a child in western Sydney, though I was born in North Sydney and raised by a mother who spoke with a bit of a more plumby accent, has melded or melted into a new flatter and I think unattractive one. I don't like the way the broader population speaks now. I think it's rough and sounds very uninspiring. In my youth there were many Aussie accents and like Britain, where one was raised was identifiable by ones accent. Now it is very hard to find anyone speaking that more "refined" English. Not everyone in Australia spoke with a cockney version back then.
@@rotkatzeredcat4284 I honestly think it depends on where you lived, what school you went to etc. At the high school I went to - people were were usually well-off though there was diversity in whether they were from the city or the country (it was a boarding school) so I stumbled across plenty of different of accents. I noticed several in my cohort spoke with that "cultivated" Aussie accent you are talking about. Though I agree that apart from my school it's hard to find those with that sort of dialect. Now in Uni, I'm finding it hard to find those who speak that way, usually they speak with the General accent.
@@lbell9695 I don't know why it bothers me, but for instance why cannot Aussies now pronounce for instance Australia including the L in the last syllable. Now it's Ostraya. Eek! It's just lazy or what? It's as if our language is being deliberately adulterated, smashed up. lol. I guess I'm just crazy.
@@rotkatzeredcat4284 Totally understand :) I suppose it's a bit of a pride thing? Like Aussies are known for abbreviating their words and so they abbreviate Australia to show their love for their country? Yeah, I'm probably trying too hard to rationalise them, they're probably just like you said too lazy to say it all 😂
@@lbell9695 I've just realized why I don't like this modern Strine. The original was kind of cute and funny. Now I think it makes us just sound dumb and uneducated. That's it. That's why I don't like it. Tks for the chat, you helped me work it out. lol
Agreed. Yet if you compare the average Brummy to the average Yamyam (if the Yamyam doesn't say any slang words) there is none to almost no difference, particularly to anyone from outside of the West Midlands.
@@TomGB-81 You are right but there are some very subtle differences that are immediately apparent to a Brummie. For example, the phrase 'How are you' is 'Ow are ya' to the Brummie and 'Ow am ya' to the Yam yam. Another give away is the way a Yam yam puts an extra syllable into a word and the word 'road' becomes 'row-ed' and 'phone' becomes 'fow-en'.
Born in Birmingham in 1957 and lived there all my life and never heard people talk "loike" this - Ozzy Osbourne; Jasper Carrott; julie Walters and Violinist Nigel Kennedy can show you the brummie accent - probably the best acting brummie accents are by Cristian Bale in the film "Ford V Ferrari and he says Tarar!!! somthing I have always said.. another good actor is Timothy Spall - for Black Country look no further than Noddy Holder of Slade... Possibly Robert Plant that has a mix between Brummie and Black Country as he was born in West Bromwich...
I'm here after watching one of those who am I DNA videos and the girl was from Birmingham and she pronounced "today" as "tu daah" and I wondered if everyone did
This was fun 😂😂 only I will say that while Dudley is a town, Wolverhampton is a city. Even within the Black Country you can tell if someone is from dudley/ walsall/ sandwell. Strange when they’re only 20/30 minute drives from each other.
Exactly "performance"; a poor one at that. Sadly this performance is NOT the Birmingham accent, instead it's from a parallel universe. Shockingly disparaging
I don’t know why you put brummie and Black Country accents together when they are different, I say 80% of this is more Black Country. I lived in Aston all my life and not once have I heard people say bostin in a normal Conversations unless they trying to make fun of the Black Country accent and owamya this is the first time I’ve ever heard of this word if some one said this word to me before watching this video I would have no idea what they were on about.
Im american. I’ve been living in solihull. But i go to dudley every week. Not once have I heard anyone talk like that so far. Though the accents are much different in the black country compared to where im currently staying in
@@anthonylong9067 exactly. It's much more subtle and dulcet than this comedic exaggeration. This is neither Brummie nor is it Black Country, it's rather insulting instead.
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I love your videos, espacially about accents :-) Maybe it's harder with scottish or irish accents, but they all stay so wonderful understandable. Here in Germany you might get in serious problems in understanding some accents, even as native speaker. I was born in Heidelberg and raised in the region called Odenwald. I never really learned 'Odenwälderisch' because I grew up only with 'Hochdeutsch' (what is the äquivalent to RP) , and so I stood sometimes between my Granny and her sister. listened to what they were talking, and understood absolutly nothing ... :-) So, please go on and let us learn :-)
A philosophy teacher of mine said he couldn't understand BadenBaden when asked someone beause it was pronounced with some extreme dialect 😆 he speaks many languages including german (he is not german)
I have heard very little Plattdeutsch ("Low German," for those of you who've not heard the term). But of what little I have heard, I cannot for the life of me understand Plattdeutsch! It sounds like a completely different language! I, too, learned Hochdeutsch ("High German").
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"Bostin" immediately makes me think of "bussin", a modern slang used by American youth which is a leninated version of "busting", which itself is used to note something as amazing or great "Bostin" honestly just aounds like the northern british version of the same word. 6 21 23
Dudley is not in Birmingham. It's a town in the black country and about 25 mins from Birmingham city centre. Comes under a different council and they have a different dial code to Birmingham.
I was thinking exactly the same, as soon as John said he grew up in Solihull I instantly thought: lol nah mate, even the dross around there speak comparably posh for apparent Brummies. Then hearing John speaking Brummy sounded like he was unintentionally over exaggerating it. Black Country till I was 32 then living in Brum for the last 8 years.
Solihull has a 'B' postcode just as Oldbury & Halesowen, therefore they are geographically classed as being in Birmingham. Next you'll be stating Sutton Coldfield is a 'posh borough' along with Streetly and Four Oaks, which also have 'B' postcodes. Your claim would therefore insinuate that 'boroughs' have no distinct post code. "Bostin" is not a dialect used by 90% of South Brummies, in fact it is one attributed to the Black Country dialect, which actually has it's own language from years ago. BTW, Solihull town centre is just as bad as any other, even the McDonald's has bouncers on the door of a Saturday evening and possibly even more regularly now?
@@ozone1959 So what is "solihull birmingham". Shirley is not part of the city of Birmingham, but both is of course West Midlands. Shirley is part of the Metropolitan Borough of Solihull.
@@mark747captain Wrong, has nothing to do with the postcode, even Dorridge and Knowle has B in the postcode, still the Borough of Solihull, are you guys aware of where you live at all if you live there??? I'm a bit surprised but not by much as people say the strangest things... For gods sake even Redditch, Tamworth and Henley in Arden has a B in the postcode, hardly "Birmingham" is it. Yes it's classed as "Birmingham postcodes" but that doe sof course not mean that these places are part of the city of Birmingham, never has been and probably will never be.
An Ozzy is from Aston..he, and the rest of Black Sabbath, have "proper", city centre, industrial, brummie accents. Ozzy's is the most pronounced, but Tony, Geezer and Bill all have soft accents, really quite pleasant to listen to. Prove me wrong.
Brummie here also from Solihull Monkspath. Your both doing the 'yam yam' accent which is Wolverhampton and dudley. Clearly the guy born in Solihull hasn't been to the city centre or surrounding areas and the Londoner has never been anywhere near. We dont talk like that, don't insult us by this stupid misconception of our accent.
I like Jon's voice too, have watched all his video wn tagged with Gideon sir. My way of speaking is nearer to RP. Bt I love Cockney and London. Hwevr no-one is so funny as of Gideon's cousin Mr Bob in Cockneyometer video 👌 evergreen video that was.
No no no. Owamya is pronounced Ow- (as in ouch) am-ya. It's a Black Country saying, NOT a Brummie-ism. No Brummie has ever say "owamya". A Brummie would "You alroight mate?". The O is intentional. Bostin' IS more of a Brummie word, but a central Brummie word, rather than a South Birmingham word - I'm from Solihull, and it was never said at all by anyone I knew, other than my Dad who is from Sheldon, who used to say as a bit of a joke, not because it was a word in natural use in the area. It's said " Arr Bostin'!", Meaning "yeah, I'm good thanks" or "it's good". It's a friendly word that is dying out. Another example would be: Brummie: "You didn't, did you?" Black Country "Ya day didya?" Soft Brummie is a lovely accent. Hard Brummie is not. Black County is a totally different dialect, almost a different language. The Black Country accent is far more noticeable than the average Brummie accent. It can be an insult to call a brummie a yam-yam (native of the Black Country) and vice versa.
Very grateful for this video lads, I'm recording an audiobook and I'm emotionally preparing myself to stumble through a monologue given by a bird from the West Midlands... Wish me luck!
@@kafkaian Ah... I've tried to keep it a little bit light and only tweak a couple of vowel sounds here and there... I also didn't quite have the nerve to go all out on it, so I think I've kept it tasteful!
This is NOT a Birmingham accent. It's mocking the accent. The accent is much more subtle. The expat joker who says he's from Solihull (a small town adjacent to Birmingham not in Birmingham like he states), is being disparaging to the accent and its people.
Anyone that grew up in Solihull and thinks Solihull is in Birmingham deserves to be totally ignored as he has already shown himself to be an utter fool.
I only recognize 2 differences: ei/ai and the a/u. The rest are too subtle in isolation. I hear R and G at the end of words regardless. "Mate=Mayte" can be heard sometimes on TV.
Brummie is an accent, whereas Black Country is a dialect, and varies from town to town (or city, if you count Wolverhampton). The Black Country dialect has retained lots of its West Saxon origins, such as "bis" for "are" (Ow bis yam?) and Old English vowels (the Great Vowel Shift) never happened in the Black Country. Brummie is much more subtle than the person attempting to do a Brummie accent; coming from Solihull, he won't have had a pronounced Brummie accent as it's regarded as one of the "posher" suburbs, where the accent wasn't as pronounced. I'm originally from Aston, same place as Ozzy and the rest of Black Sabbath, and I don't recall my mother, or my maternal grandfather, ever saying "bostin," even though he called a dustbin a "miskin" and the outhouse was a "brewins." Bostin is a Black Country expression. And don't even get me started on Peaky Blinders, those aren't Brummie accents, I know Cillian Murphy is an excellent actor, but that accent is painful.
The word "to be" is declined thus: Ar bin, yow bin, er/he bist: we bin, yow bin, they bin. Never "ow bis yam"? it's "ow bin yer?". To which the answer is "arm gud tar".
I think it's the intonation that makes me immediately go 'Brummie!'. Then you realise that some sounds are similar to Cockney, some others to Northern English and so on. But the melody is unique.
@LetThemTalkTV : I have but one gripe about the three or so videos you've done that I've seen (to date): I am always curious to learn new dialects/accents, but some of your other speakers/guests speak so quickly that I don't have time to form the words myself. Is there any way you can have them say it at "normal speed," then at a slower pace (or the other way around)? Always looking to learn new things! And thanks in advance for at least considering my suggestion.
You'd also use "Bab" for a bloke who was being a bit soft. Think of the advert where the bloke is being a diva and gets given a Snickers bar...."Alright Bab!"
I'm from Australia and I reckon they pronounce most things Australian 😅 I can actually understand everything clearly, whereas a lot of UK places I can't understand a single word 😅
Judging by their face expressions, it takes a lot of effort to speak English, including RP accent (often times I see BBC reporters making faces when speaking).
Yep! 😂Maybe things have changed in the more recent years but, I’ve been an American Duranie since 1982 and this is exactly how John Taylor, Nick Rhodes and Roger Taylor all spoke! I could hear John and Nick saying all of those words! 😂 although now John Taylor has more of an American accent since he’s lived in California for the last 20+ years … shame. His accent was adorable ❤
Great sense of humor--that were bostin! I also noticed that Jon's /ɪ/ sound seemed closer to /i/, at least in some words, and /i:/ sounded more like the diphthong /eɪ/.
Birmingham is the London of the West Midlands, we don’t have a strong accent like these two dudes, you hear this accent in wolves, West Brom and Dudley, also I’m sure a “gambowl” is a brummy thing. Means a forward roll. Some of the language used is correct, for example we don’t always pronounce “er” sometimes use a “a” instead
@zayne Mal Okay calm down, I’m just saying in the West Midlands, Birmingham is more multi cultural, areas surrounding the city centre have no accent. London is more of a shithole than Birmingham just look at the crime rate, even the richer areas of London are shocking.
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Im polish living in walsall which is in Birmingham area and I love brummie/ black country accent . By order of the Peaky Blinders 😂
I love the accent too.
Walsall isn't in Birmingham. It's close by
@@idesireit31 it basically is Birmingham
I’m from walsall Anorl where about mate 🤣
@@ranger2255 from bloxwhich wbu
After 30 years in Birmingham, I've never heard anyone speak like that!
He's overdoing the accent.
@@andreasnilsson6857 sadly
@@andreasnilsson6857 My SO is Scouse and he tries to hide his scouse accent. To be honest it sounds a bit like Birmingham accent when he tries not to sound Scouse lol.
Not me!I'm a vintage Brummie and I am confused! Never hear a Brummie say Bostin. Ever. Over done. Just tune in to Jasper Carrott. More informative.
What are you hearing? Arabic?
Brum Native. Tiny bit exaggerated by Jon but only just a little. The Black country accent gets stronger in the North West and then transforms into something almost like Old English in places. Some will say instead of 'yes' will say 'yay'
It's way too exaggerated. The Brummie accent is much more subtle than this parody. It's much more dulcet in its delivery. Commentators are using terms like "theatrical", "exaggerated" and "comedy" because they are experiencing the accent being ridiculed.
It's nothing like a brummie accent
Piss off, you! Kidding, good feeback, just a Southern Yank (oxymoron) trying to fit in.
I can't believe I read that in your accent...
I am an American, trying to get a grasp on the Brummie accent, but every RUclips video I watch the comment section is full of people saying “that’s not a Brummie accent“ 😅
Just look on RUclips for interviews with the following ppl...MIST, Alison Hammond, Jack Grealish. That'll give you a fair idea.
@@dperson9212 thanks!
I’ve mostly been listening to The Move.
Roy Wood and all the boys.
Black Sabbath too
Ozzy’s accent is still spot on considering how long he has lived away.
I'd much rather listen to a thick/heavy Texan accent - UK'er. Brummies have an advantage, people think they're stupid, because of their accent, & they're therefore often underestimated
The youtuber Caddicarus has a thick brummie accent
This Gideon and Jon partnership works very well, you are making my weekend, 😄 the mouth movement is almost theatrical, magnificent to know the differences in words "Bostin" and accents between cities, Nice work, thank you so much for preparing this material🤗
Glad you enjoyed it. Jon is an excellent actor.
@@LetThemTalkTV He really is, but you're an excellent announcer, you have an enviable diction.😊
It's a joke. John is talking like a comedian taking the p***. Very insulting
That was great. Please bring him in more often. I appreciate all your videos on accents. TTFN
"For God's sake, shut up" (and Gideon's reaction) was my favorite part. 😆 I love the comedy!
Exactly, it's comedy. Jon is not speaking in a Birmingham accent, instead he's ridiculing it by exaggeration. Embarrassing
Ok I live in Birmingham and people don’t speak like that. People in Dudley & some parts of Wolverhampton do.
Im a yank living in solihull and have to go to dudley every week (im a footballer). I second that. The accents are so much different in the Black Country compared to in the city of Birmingham itself.
@@anthonylong9067 if you as an American can get it why cant the rest of youtube🤦🏽♂️
Exactly. In fact Jon's accent is even too much for "yamyam". It's an insulting comedic parody of an accent performed by a disparaging Solihull expat (who wrongly told us Solihull is in Birmingham) giving a totally skewed impression of something that is spoken with much more subtlety.
...even they don't speak with Jon's ridiculously affected, comedic "accent".
Not a Brummie accent
When I saw this video come up in my sub feed I remembered back to over twenty years ago when I worked with a young kid who came to the US from Birmingham to work for the summer and him telling me about Spaghetti Junction, I was really impressed when you mentioned it!
You could have included J. R. R. Tolkien among your famous Brummies. He spent his early years in Sarehole and then Rednal. The old mill at Sarehole is preserved partly because it was the inspiration for the mill run by the Sandyman family in Hobbiton. After his mother died he lived in a rented room in a house in Edgbaston, and then was sent to King Edward's School. Not that you'd hear a Brummie accent from him. It was much later by the time any recordings were made of his voice, and he had acquired an Oxford Don accent.
Thanks for this détail.... on the life of Tolkien.
That tolkien crap is overrated. Guy bored out of his mind should be thought as a cultural beacon? I think not
@@oink988 cope
Don't sully Tolkien by linking him to Brummies 😫
@@oink988 his mythology just as valid as the bible.
As a Brummie. seems to me your getting dudley and wolvo mixed up with brummie cuz no brummie speak like this
Neither do people from Dudley and Wolverhampton speak like that. My Father was from kidderminster, next town from Stourbridge (black Country is described as Stourbridge, Dudley and Wolverhampton for people who don't know, Kidderminster actually had it's own accent very similar to the black country but has become very scarce has the carpet industry declined. ) I moved away from the area years ago. Naturally my accent changed over time. If I speak with a black country accent now, it sounds very fake, I think it could be the same for the camera man.
Loved this video! Made me want to keep on watching Peaky Blinders. English is so rich!
English language is very very rich and diverse!
@@Adrenalinlev That's why I love it! ❤️❤️❤️
It's not the Birmingham accent. It's a parody of it; a comedic exaggeration. It's embarrassing actually
I love you! Your videos are very nice and I can understand many words you speak
I love the Brummie accent more than all the other English accents
And we love you 😍
Thanks for the video. As a non native who has lived in the West Midlands for over 20 years I have come to the conclusion that there is no such thing as a single Brummie accent but rather it's an accent spectrum across the city with peculiar features in different districts. Don't ask a Brummie to do a Brummie accent because they nearly always over do it. I think there are subtle differences and it's best hearing folk speak naturally. I am sure folk in Northfield /Kings Norton - south and West areas etc sound different to folk from the East side. The Black Country dialects are the same. I believe there are specific speech features in every part of the Black Country, IE . Areas and towns like Dudley and Gornalwood. Ask a person from the Black Country. Both Black Country and Birmingham accents are non rhotic but folk from places west and South of the region like Worcestershire roll the R at the end of a word. Just listen to the announcements on the West Midlands trains. You can pick these features up. That's been my observation. But I could be wrong. Cheers, Gideon for the engaging style and presentation.
Difficult But Funny Accent. Mr. Gideon's Brummie Accent Is Funny. I Think It's A Video Designed For Advance Speakers. As Usual Excellent Video. Yes, He Is The Best English Teacher In The World. Nice Featuring Mr. Jon. Great Job!
Jasper Carrot is the best example of someone with a Brummie accent
Not Ozzie?
The "orang utan" really got me laughing..
It is simply "how am ya" as black country folk replace are with am... for example "we am coming" or "you am alright" or "what am we having for tay?" Brummies do NOT speak like this so Black Country and Brummie accents absolutely are very different indeed.
There are many more unique words spoken by black country folk such as "ay" instead of "aren't", "cor" instead of "can't", "woe" instead of "won't" and "doh" instead of "don't". We say "wore" instead of "weren't" and say "day" instead of "didn't". We also pronounce "going" as "gewing" so not only is the Brummie accent different to Black Country the dialect has vast differences too.
"Anyway i cor be bothered to type much more an' i doh want this comment to be mossive, i ay had any tay yet an' i wow be gerrin' any kip at this rate... I wore even gonna comment but i cor help it.. gorra 'ave it right ay we! Anyway, I day mean to type this much so om gewin'. Mar bad. Ta'ra abit!"
You're wrong about the Brummie pronunciation of laugh, it is definitely larf, however in the black country it is pronounced the way you said. It's a very good way to distinguish the two accents
Absolutely spot on.
In some parts of the Black Country it's "loff".
Im american and live in solihul at the moment. (Playing non league football in Dudley). Im used to the accent. I’ve been here since late November and will be in the midlands till late may. I love it here so far. The accent is something im used to.
Bostin to see both of you our kids ! Ta-ra. Have a spiffing weekend.
tara a bit
@@LetThemTalkTV we don't even say that, comedians say it
I'm an Aussie, and am fascinated by the Brummie pronunciation of words like stay, play, coat and boat, which sound a lot like they do in a broad Aussie accent - even though I'd generally place our accent between Cockney and RP.
Well 'we' don't have just one accent though. I have noticed that the accent I used as a child in western Sydney, though I was born in North Sydney and raised by a mother who spoke with a bit of a more plumby accent, has melded or melted into a new flatter and I think unattractive one. I don't like the way the broader population speaks now. I think it's rough and sounds very uninspiring. In my youth there were many Aussie accents and like Britain, where one was raised was identifiable by ones accent. Now it is very hard to find anyone speaking that more "refined" English. Not everyone in Australia spoke with a cockney version back then.
@@rotkatzeredcat4284 I honestly think it depends on where you lived, what school you went to etc. At the high school I went to - people were were usually well-off though there was diversity in whether they were from the city or the country (it was a boarding school) so I stumbled across plenty of different of accents. I noticed several in my cohort spoke with that "cultivated" Aussie accent you are talking about. Though I agree that apart from my school it's hard to find those with that sort of dialect. Now in Uni, I'm finding it hard to find those who speak that way, usually they speak with the General accent.
@@lbell9695 I don't know why it bothers me, but for instance why cannot Aussies now pronounce for instance Australia including the L in the last syllable. Now it's Ostraya. Eek! It's just lazy or what? It's as if our language is being deliberately adulterated, smashed up. lol. I guess I'm just crazy.
@@rotkatzeredcat4284 Totally understand :) I suppose it's a bit of a pride thing? Like Aussies are known for abbreviating their words and so they abbreviate Australia to show their love for their country? Yeah, I'm probably trying too hard to rationalise them, they're probably just like you said too lazy to say it all 😂
@@lbell9695 I've just realized why I don't like this modern Strine. The original was kind of cute and funny. Now I think it makes us just sound dumb and uneducated. That's it. That's why I don't like it. Tks for the chat, you helped me work it out. lol
If you compare accents between the furthest north and furthest south within Birmingham, there is a massive difference.
Agreed. Yet if you compare the average Brummy to the average Yamyam (if the Yamyam doesn't say any slang words) there is none to almost no difference, particularly to anyone from outside of the West Midlands.
@@TomGB-81 You are right but there are some very subtle differences that are immediately apparent to a Brummie. For example, the phrase 'How are you' is 'Ow are ya' to the Brummie and 'Ow am ya' to the Yam yam. Another give away is the way a Yam yam puts an extra syllable into a word and the word 'road' becomes 'row-ed' and 'phone' becomes 'fow-en'.
@@TinSandwichUK Ow am ya, or aah bin ya ;)
@@TomGB-81 hahaha Love the 'Translate to English' bit burrime or right mate, I diddenead it.
@@TinSandwichUK Unless if you say it instead of read it, the Yam yam will say "ow bin yer".
Born in Birmingham in 1957 and lived there all my life and never heard people talk "loike" this - Ozzy Osbourne; Jasper Carrott; julie Walters and Violinist Nigel Kennedy can show you the brummie accent - probably the best acting brummie accents are by Cristian Bale in the film "Ford V Ferrari and he says Tarar!!! somthing I have always said.. another good actor is Timothy Spall - for Black Country look no further than Noddy Holder of Slade... Possibly Robert Plant that has a mix between Brummie and Black Country as he was born in West Bromwich...
I'm here after watching one of those who am I DNA videos and the girl was from Birmingham and she pronounced "today" as "tu daah" and I wondered if everyone did
Boen an bred Brummie . One of the few left . Never confuse Black Country /Dudley with a Brummie accent . 🏴👍
I think that from a phonetic point of view, Brummie is closer to what vowels used to sound before the Great Vowels Shift
The opposite, in the north and Scotland is closer to the GVS, Brummie has shifted more like cockney
This was fun 😂😂 only I will say that while Dudley is a town, Wolverhampton is a city. Even within the Black Country you can tell if someone is from dudley/ walsall/ sandwell. Strange when they’re only 20/30 minute drives from each other.
😂😂😂well done guys! Funny and instructive!
It's instructive if your wish is to visit birmingham and be laughed at
Wonderful performance. Thanks so much Gideon and Jon, an interesting topic in the colorful world of british accents. Stay great👍😘❤️
Exactly "performance"; a poor one at that. Sadly this performance is NOT the Birmingham accent, instead it's from a parallel universe. Shockingly disparaging
oh wow loved your vid
I grew up in Castle Bromwich Birmingham!!
In America, we only know two types of english accents, the fancy nice one and then chimney sweep.
Nice, Very Nice.
Best wishes from São Paulo
I don’t know why you put brummie and Black Country accents together when they are different, I say 80% of this is more Black Country. I lived in Aston all my life and not once have I heard people say bostin in a normal Conversations unless they trying to make fun of the Black Country accent and owamya this is the first time I’ve ever heard of this word if some one said this word to me before watching this video I would have no idea what they were on about.
Im american. I’ve been living in solihull. But i go to dudley every week. Not once have I heard anyone talk like that so far. Though the accents are much different in the black country compared to where im currently staying in
It's not even Black Country, it's exaggerated tomfoolery
@@anthonylong9067 exactly. It's much more subtle and dulcet than this comedic exaggeration. This is neither Brummie nor is it Black Country, it's rather insulting instead.
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I love your videos, espacially about accents :-)
Maybe it's harder with scottish or irish accents, but they all stay so wonderful understandable.
Here in Germany you might get in serious problems in understanding some accents, even as native speaker.
I was born in Heidelberg and raised in the region called Odenwald.
I never really learned 'Odenwälderisch' because I grew up only with 'Hochdeutsch' (what is the äquivalent to RP) , and so I stood sometimes between my Granny and her sister. listened to what they were talking, and understood absolutly nothing ... :-)
So, please go on and let us learn :-)
A philosophy teacher of mine said he couldn't understand BadenBaden when asked someone beause it was pronounced with some extreme dialect 😆 he speaks many languages including german (he is not german)
Does Odenwälderisch feel more like dutch or high German?
I have heard very little Plattdeutsch ("Low German," for those of you who've not heard the term). But of what little I have heard, I cannot for the life of me understand Plattdeutsch! It sounds like a completely different language! I, too, learned Hochdeutsch ("High German").
Lived in Dudely for 2 years....lovely place
Thanks a lot about the British accent from Birningham
Hello, you are grate, and very well organized lessons, wow! Long time not see your lesson, what an important lesson I misted…gracias from a Mexican living in Japan. ‘Ta mate.
"Bostin" immediately makes me think of "bussin", a modern slang used by American youth which is a leninated version of "busting", which itself is used to note something as amazing or great
"Bostin" honestly just aounds like the northern british version of the same word. 6 21 23
I’ve recently moved from Dudley which is in Birmingham to Wales and people love my accent
Dudley is not in Birmingham. It's a town in the black country and about 25 mins from Birmingham city centre. Comes under a different council and they have a different dial code to Birmingham.
@@Queen-wz5ld i know but i meant near birmingham
Solihull isn’t in Birmingham. It is a largely posh borough adjacent to Birmingham.
I was thinking exactly the same, as soon as John said he grew up in Solihull I instantly thought: lol nah mate, even the dross around there speak comparably posh for apparent Brummies. Then hearing John speaking Brummy sounded like he was unintentionally over exaggerating it.
Black Country till I was 32 then living in Brum for the last 8 years.
I live in Shirley and it's comes under Solihull Birmingham
Solihull has a 'B' postcode just as Oldbury & Halesowen, therefore they are geographically classed as being in Birmingham. Next you'll be stating Sutton Coldfield is a 'posh borough' along with Streetly and Four Oaks, which also have 'B' postcodes. Your claim would therefore insinuate that 'boroughs' have no distinct post code.
"Bostin" is not a dialect used by 90% of South Brummies, in fact it is one attributed to the Black Country dialect, which actually has it's own language from years ago.
BTW, Solihull town centre is just as bad as any other, even the McDonald's has bouncers on the door of a Saturday evening and possibly even more regularly now?
@@ozone1959 So what is "solihull birmingham". Shirley is not part of the city of Birmingham, but both is of course West Midlands. Shirley is part of the Metropolitan Borough of Solihull.
@@mark747captain Wrong, has nothing to do with the postcode, even Dorridge and Knowle has B in the postcode, still the Borough of Solihull, are you guys aware of where you live at all if you live there??? I'm a bit surprised but not by much as people say the strangest things... For gods sake even Redditch, Tamworth and Henley in Arden has a B in the postcode, hardly "Birmingham" is it. Yes it's classed as "Birmingham postcodes" but that doe sof course not mean that these places are part of the city of Birmingham, never has been and probably will never be.
Hi namesake lol, gonna visit Birmingham soon this summer:)
An Ozzy is from Aston..he, and the rest of Black Sabbath, have "proper", city centre, industrial, brummie accents. Ozzy's is the most pronounced, but Tony, Geezer and Bill all have soft accents, really quite pleasant to listen to. Prove me wrong.
Brummie here also from Solihull Monkspath. Your both doing the 'yam yam' accent which is Wolverhampton and dudley. Clearly the guy born in Solihull hasn't been to the city centre or surrounding areas and the Londoner has never been anywhere near. We dont talk like that, don't insult us by this stupid misconception of our accent.
"I saw him eating a groaty pudding" yawat mate, it's a stew
I like Jon's voice too, have watched all his video wn tagged with Gideon sir. My way of speaking is nearer to RP. Bt I love Cockney and London. Hwevr no-one is so funny as of Gideon's cousin Mr Bob in Cockneyometer video 👌 evergreen video that was.
Thanks, I'll pass on the message to my cousin.
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No no no.
Owamya is pronounced Ow- (as in ouch) am-ya. It's a Black Country saying, NOT a Brummie-ism. No Brummie has ever say "owamya".
A Brummie would "You alroight mate?". The O is intentional.
Bostin' IS more of a Brummie word, but a central Brummie word, rather than a South Birmingham word - I'm from Solihull, and it was never said at all by anyone I knew, other than my Dad who is from Sheldon, who used to say as a bit of a joke, not because it was a word in natural use in the area. It's said " Arr Bostin'!", Meaning "yeah, I'm good thanks" or "it's good". It's a friendly word that is dying out.
Another example would be:
Brummie: "You didn't, did you?"
Black Country "Ya day didya?"
Soft Brummie is a lovely accent. Hard Brummie is not.
Black County is a totally different dialect, almost a different language. The Black Country accent is far more noticeable than the average Brummie accent.
It can be an insult to call a brummie a yam-yam (native of the Black Country) and vice versa.
I'm American but my great grandparents came from Birmingham.
I am interested in the r which is almost like a trill. Is it a feature in Brummie?
You should’ve got an actual Brummie for this. It just sounds off 😆 I love the Brummie accent though, it’s under appreciated ❤
Very grateful for this video lads, I'm recording an audiobook and I'm emotionally preparing myself to stumble through a monologue given by a bird from the West Midlands... Wish me luck!
Yeah well don't use this nonsense as an example of the Birmingham accent; it's disparaging, comedic nonsense
May you share your audiobook?
@@kafkaian Ah... I've tried to keep it a little bit light and only tweak a couple of vowel sounds here and there... I also didn't quite have the nerve to go all out on it, so I think I've kept it tasteful!
As a brummie RUclipsr myself I regarded that we have a thicker brummie accent
Adrian from Telford. I love the saying in Birmingham language in the fridge
Truly nice video!
Im from North East and I took a quiz that said Im a Brummie so Im here
I’m a Brummie and proud yessssss
Please do More of these I rlly want a Birmingham accent x
@Mollie Edwards Yerken av mine bab. Om feddup wivvit.
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This is NOT a Birmingham accent. It's mocking the accent. The accent is much more subtle. The expat joker who says he's from Solihull (a small town adjacent to Birmingham not in Birmingham like he states), is being disparaging to the accent and its people.
Really interesting 🧡 Thanks
Sir could you recommend any book for Cockney accent.
Okey, I have to renew my Netflix Account for Peaky Blinders. Living the hard live. I have no nan. God bless you all.
I like to say "I'm scratching me bollocks" in a Brummie accent,it just suits the accent
Hillarious. 😂 No wonder I couldn't understand anything there. 😲 Brummie, hmmm. 🤔
Anyone that grew up in Solihull and thinks Solihull is in Birmingham deserves to be totally ignored as he has already shown himself to be an utter fool.
i'm watching this because Jeff Lynne is a Brummie and i'm pretty sure that's why his songs in Electric Light orchestra are so distinctive
"I went to town on the buzz"
I only recognize 2 differences: ei/ai and the a/u. The rest are too subtle in isolation. I hear R and G at the end of words regardless. "Mate=Mayte" can be heard sometimes on TV.
great, funny vid!!! just keep the volume balance checked on the same level please
... It'd be great if...
Brummie is an accent, whereas Black Country is a dialect, and varies from town to town (or city, if you count Wolverhampton). The Black Country dialect has retained lots of its West Saxon origins, such as "bis" for "are" (Ow bis yam?) and Old English vowels (the Great Vowel Shift) never happened in the Black Country. Brummie is much more subtle than the person attempting to do a Brummie accent; coming from Solihull, he won't have had a pronounced Brummie accent as it's regarded as one of the "posher" suburbs, where the accent wasn't as pronounced. I'm originally from Aston, same place as Ozzy and the rest of Black Sabbath, and I don't recall my mother, or my maternal grandfather, ever saying "bostin," even though he called a dustbin a "miskin" and the outhouse was a "brewins." Bostin is a Black Country expression. And don't even get me started on Peaky Blinders, those aren't Brummie accents, I know Cillian Murphy is an excellent actor, but that accent is painful.
The word "to be" is declined thus: Ar bin, yow bin, er/he bist: we bin, yow bin, they bin. Never "ow bis yam"? it's "ow bin yer?". To which the answer is "arm gud tar".
I think it's the intonation that makes me immediately go 'Brummie!'. Then you realise that some sounds are similar to Cockney, some others to Northern English and so on. But the melody is unique.
@LetThemTalkTV : I have but one gripe about the three or so videos you've done that I've seen (to date): I am always curious to learn new dialects/accents, but some of your other speakers/guests speak so quickly that I don't have time to form the words myself. Is there any way you can have them say it at "normal speed," then at a slower pace (or the other way around)?
Always looking to learn new things! And thanks in advance for at least considering my suggestion.
As a Canadian I really get confused between Liverpool and Brummie. Trying to train my ear.
0:28 and the greatest English achievement ever Jude Bellingham 🐐
You'd also use "Bab" for a bloke who was being a bit soft. Think of the advert where the bloke is being a diva and gets given a Snickers bar...."Alright Bab!"
In German, a "brummie" is a lorry (a truck). :)
Two Londoners trying to explain and speak “Brummie”. As a true Brummie take no notice of them.
I'm from Australia and I reckon they pronounce most things Australian 😅 I can actually understand everything clearly, whereas a lot of UK places I can't understand a single word 😅
Birmingham has been around since 1166. Yes you best sweat smilie 😅
I reckon!
I'm a brummie when I've been to America Canada etc
They think I'm australia
I'll try the brummie sounds with my daughter...we'll see😂
Don't try this nonsense; it's NOT Brummie.
I love to learn birmingham accent, especially peaky blinders love that
Even the thumbnail is incorrect "bostin" 😂😂😂
I had no idea the uk had different uk accents lol even listening to this yall sound exact the same to my nyc ears
Is jack grealish from burmingham?
Yep
Solihull which is just outside Birmingham.
First time hearing this, but brummies sound like a drunk London accent.
I fooking luff brrummie accent
Man this accent, it kills me xD
You forgot the great producer Jeff Lynne 😳
Fascinating!
Solihull is not in Birmingham but Shirley is or Chelmsley Wood is.
I've lived in Brum my whole ass life, never heard anyone say "wrekin".... like I'm confused
It sounds funny but I would starve if I had to buy food in Birmingham with my school English.
Judging by their face expressions, it takes a lot of effort to speak English, including RP accent (often times I see BBC reporters making faces when speaking).
This place is now under the new management! By order of the Peaky Blinders!
Grow up.
Gideon should be a stand up he is very funny.
awesome! cheers mate
Yep! 😂Maybe things have changed in the more recent years but, I’ve been an American Duranie since 1982 and this is exactly how John Taylor, Nick Rhodes and Roger Taylor all spoke! I could hear John and Nick saying all of those words! 😂 although now John Taylor has more of an American accent since he’s lived in California for the last 20+ years … shame. His accent was adorable ❤
The a in acrobat and lap is pronounced the same in any part of uk. How else to people say them?
Great sense of humor--that were bostin! I also noticed that Jon's /ɪ/ sound seemed closer to /i/, at least in some words, and /i:/ sounded more like the diphthong /eɪ/.
Glad you liked it. Thanks for your comment. Jon is fired I'll let him know.
@@LetThemTalkTV :-D
Birmingham is the London of the West Midlands, we don’t have a strong accent like these two dudes, you hear this accent in wolves, West Brom and Dudley, also I’m sure a “gambowl” is a brummy thing. Means a forward roll. Some of the language used is correct, for example we don’t always pronounce “er” sometimes use a “a” instead
@zayne Mal Okay calm down, I’m just saying in the West Midlands, Birmingham is more multi cultural, areas surrounding the city centre have no accent. London is more of a shithole than Birmingham just look at the crime rate, even the richer areas of London are shocking.
@jones roberts Noooooooooo you don’t say? Jesus, thank you , I wouldn’t of known otherwise