5 Things you didn't know about the Beretta M9. 1. Beretta makes lots of guns. 2. 45 ACP is bigger than 9mm. 3. German soldiers shot 9mm rounds. 4. John Browning designed a gun that could shoot 9mm. 5. The USCG uses Sig, and the Marines use Colt. OMG, I learned so much about the Beretta M9!
The Browning Hi Power and the Beretta M92 are two of the most reliable pistols ever made. The Beretta's reliability is due to the fact that the round feeds almost directly into the chamber instead of pushing up on feed lips
Love my M9! Though I carry a Glock 19 or SIG Sp 2022 or my Kimber Pro Carry II if I'm feeling sexy (but the Glock and SIG are hard to beat) I Really want a Beretta Centurian, since I'm at my core a Beretta-man. Sexiest gun ever made (though the Kimber Pro Carry II)....all this to say I would recommend one revolver over any of those and one only: The Chiappa Rhino 2" or 4", can't get a better firearm than that for EDC and self-defense. Even as a combat weapon it ain't half bad. at all.
Let's keep the M9. It is one of my favorites aside from the 1911. You can hit targets more effectively and keep them at bay longer than you would with the 1911.
In actual combat you'll shoot from any stance but the "standard Army shooting stance". I teach my students 16 different "stances" if you will, including turned around, bent over, and shooting upsidedown between your legs with you off hand because ... you never know.
DamnedUsernameThing Mistakes get made when developing things, well no let me rephrase that. The people asking for the product often ask for stupid fucking things. Now why they didn't just make an export version of the F-22 or remake the YF-23 for nato. No idea, most likely because high command typically is shit and knowing what they want and need.
and i'd assume alot of surplus 9mm ammo would be up for sale too. i had a few boxes of winchester ammo, the box was white, said nato on it, so unless i am missing a point here, i assume it was the same thing the military used but was released for sale to the public because of some minor imperfection. it was 124 gr ball, and i shot it outta a hi point c9 and was punching holes clean through 6 inch thick blocks of hard wood
lima ya make a good point, maybe ya could get lucky and get a decent one, bit its always a gamble, kinda like when some get an old mosin thats been through the wringer
People are going to choose whatever is in the night stand. From a military standpoint It economically makes since to keep the M9. The ammunition is cheap and in stock, they already have the guns. Their easy to take down and clean. The Barrel is exposed cooling it and self cleaning of the outer portion. Only pistol Ive seen make a critical impact on its target at 100 yds. Glocks are cheap simply because they knew the only way our govt. would buy them is if they were the lowest bidder. In my experience you get what you pay for. Beretta has had hiccups in the past but they have been ironed out. Ive served my country and law enforcement while Beretta's were in use. I own one as well. If I served and somebody issued me a Glock I would resign or retire! I want a good quality weapon thats reliable and accurate regardless of distance. If somebody is shooting at me with a rifle and all I have is my pistol I want a fighting chance at least.
I like the trigger, materials, and perceived recoil of the m9 better than the glock. That said, glock is also a fine weapon with its own benefits, such as lighter weight, faster controls, and smaller grip. Both cost about the same, both have excellent history, are proven to be reliable. I could go on, but my point is, neither of them are bad.
Honestly I'd love to see the military adopt something like the CZ75B. 9mm, full size, mechanically and operationally a cousin to the Browning High Power, ergonomics and controls similar to a 1911, DA/SA.
Aaron Dawson That's one fatass grip, though. I love big grips, but damn that would be giant. I've heard of the FNX-45 but I haven't shot one. Honestly I like the .40 S&W just fine. Yeah you can laugh at me, but I think the increase in recoil isn't really enough to slow your time between shots, and it's still easy to make a double-stack mag with a good capacity.
TheMetalHeaD256 I've held the FNX 45 a customer bought, it's not too bad, and I have small hands the only bad thing was a far double action trigger reach. the real double stack .45 full size handgun winners are the Springfield XD series (which for me at least had less felt recoil than a 1911) and the Ruger SR45. The latter will make you believe the mag has to be a single stack till you remove it and see staggered holes. For me there are four runner ups for a combat double stack 45 in no real order. 1)double stack 1911 2)HK45 3)FNX 45 Tactical 4)xdm 45 5) Ruger SR45
Liquid Ocelot I think the best of those come from Para Ordnance, I owned a P16 40, because I thought the 45 would be too large, but it's basically all they offer now, so it's worth looking at.
Dwayne Mattson Talk to officer Jared Resson who was shot in the face with a 45, twice in his armor and once in the leg an shoulder... 45 does not have some magical properties.
Derrick Thompson only bullet with magical properties is the .50 cal. lol things hit with it just disappear. more seriously though, you can get shot an unlimited amount of times and still have a fair chance to return fire as long as it hits nothing vital. once adrenalin kicks in your body can take an unimaginable beating before it falls. then on the opposite side of the spectrum...you can die to a .22 in 1 bullet.
I'm old I don't have to hump a rifle anymore. No caliber has magical powers. I'd say the right bullet with the right charge aimed in the right place will do the job. I would not feel sorry for myself if all I had for self defense is a .22 lr.
+Watcha Say But the knock down power of the 80mm rocket is far inferior to W88's 475 kiloton yield. I think our troops should be carrying *_at minimum_* the Trident II ballistic missile, with *at least* 12 W88 thermonuclear warheads, on their hips. I mean, we are sending our troops out in the field with inferior side arms, and it is just unacceptable.
Joe Blow No. America should learn from their enemys and out fit each of their troops with a large nuclear device that will detonate when a bullet hits it. That way no one will shoot at them.
If the newer p226s are anything like my West German made one, I would recommend them in a heartbeat. Thousands of rounds fired through it and I can still rapid fire 15 rounds into a quarter size grouping at 10 yrs. Never jammed, never a feeding problem. Of course I do take very good care of it which an active duty serviceman may not have the luxury to do.
Not a question of caliber (bullet diameter) but hollow point vs. FMJ. The 9mm and 45ACP are both dismal failures as man stoppers with FMJ rounds. In HP loads they have proven near equal. The stats are readily there.
Yes I am aware., that's why the debate over a caliber for military use is futile. Its a silly convention rule the U.S. should be ignoring. A high cap 9mm with HP plus P rounds would be hard to beat. FMJ regardless of caliber will zip right through anything it hits with minimal instant traumatic effect.
Tom Smith That's why the 45 is liked in this role better, its slower and produces more kinetic energy, 45 230 grain hard ball VS 9MM 124 grain ball is well, no comparison, 45 is the clear victor in this case.
yeah, because overpreassure and mass amount of wear on components, heightened recoil with absolutely NO advantage over a 9mm is exactly what i want our service men and women carrying. we should give them the compromise from the FBI who in to 80s was too stubborn and stupid to admit they were wrong and were too proud to go back to the 9mm (which has worked for goddamn ever) so they necked down a 10mm so they would have somthing 9mm like, but not as good, and ended up blowing up guns, cracking slides, and increasing wear on the gun stupendously. its just going to cause more harm than good, and increase the work load for the people having to do maintinence on the firearms.
The Browning 45 caliber semiautomatic well served the U.S.Military for almost a hundred years. I never had a barrel or slide crack on me nor have I ever heard of a Browning doing so.
+Jack Wayne were talking .40 s&w. and the 1911s had their own set of problems. mostly outdated sights, and the grip safety. maintinence also had to be kept up on it alot more than the beretta, andagazine capacity was low. so they kept the weight, increased capacity, sights, and unnescisary safeties. the 1911 is a good gun, dont get me wrong, but as technology advances, so do fighting techniques, and we need to keep with them or else we will be lost in the past, with inferrior weaponry. also the 1911 is NOT going to like the fine desert sand of afghanistan, at all.
I wish our military would've stuck with the .45 ACP. Yes, the 1911 has a small ammo capacity of 7+1. But we could've used something like the FNP .45. The standard magazine capacity of the FNP .45 is 15, plus one in the camber.
Eric Fling That's horrifically inaccurate. Practicality is an opinion first off. Secondly, ballistically, the .45 carries about 25% more energy than a 9mm. So that statement is way, way, way... wrong. For a hollow point that shrinks down to almost identical in terms of ballistics, however NATO approved ammunition is ball ammunition only. (So no hollow points) which when you watch the video again, the energy is stated as higher for the .45. Muzzle velocity is not delivered energy. Hydrostatic effect (the force of energy dispersed into a target) is much more important, and higher for the .45
Drew Smithson Both of these rounds will kill a person, and both will likely not kill someone shot in the leg or arm. So more bullets is a HUGE advantage! Also the round is nearly 100% cheaper (half price) so practice, which I hope we can all agree on is more important that anything, is much more practical without breaking the bank. Also who cares if NATO can't use hollow points, I'm not with NATO I am protecting my own life therefore give me the most expanding, fastest traveling hollow point available. I also much prefer a flat trajectory, which highly favors the 9mm over .45 ACP. And you're 25% more energy is untrue. The magic number is K=1/2MV^2. Which is the equation for kinetic energy. 9mm is about 550 Joules, where as the .45 is around 610. Yes that is more but very insignificant difference. Compare that to a .308 which comes in at about 3,500 joules. So your 60 more joules isn't gonna win the argument. And certainly is not = to 25% more energy.
Eric Fling So the principle of the video is the next military round, which must be NATO approved, and you're going to throw that completely out? Then your entire argument just became invalid because the principle of the video was military use, not civilian use.
Eric Fling You're in high school, you're not defending anything. You probably aren't old enough to own a pistol, let alone afford one. If you're talking about CCW or other personal defense situations one may encounter as a civilian, you're watching the wrong video. This was about a military service pistol, not a CCW pistol. The .45 ACP will dump much more kinetic energy into soft tissue. The permanent wound cavity caused by a .45 ACP JHP is far more devastating than that of a 9mm JHP round. And a .45 ACP hollow point is likely to penetrate less than a 9mm hollow point, which enables the projectile to have a better chance of remaining in the assailant's body and cause more traumatic wounds. Basic physics equations you learned in a high school physics class don't mean shit, there's a whole lot more to calculating the effectiveness of a bullet on a soft target than one of the most basic equations for energy. With your logic, the 5.7x28mm or 4.6x30mm rounds should be adopted because they're high velocity, low recoil, cheap to manufacture, and the guns that use those rounds have ridiculous magazine capacities.
I carried the M9 for 8 years as a secondary weapon. It's a fun target pistol, but I'd rather have the stopping power of the. 45 (especially since I would have been limited to firing NATO ball ammo) I feel if you are able to qualify with the .45, you should be allowed to carry it. If not, you'll get stuck with an M9, in 9mm. An off the shelf 1911 would be good enough for most people who would be carrying a pistol since it's a secondary weapon in most cases anyway. No need to create a brand new platform. Either a 1911, or an M9. Plenty of parts for both, including holsters. Now, for those in roles where a pistol is more of a primary weapon (security forces, law enforcement, boarding parties, etc) something like a Glock might be a better choice. But, again, off the shelf. Maybe .40 or .45 for those that can qualify with it, and 9mm for those that can't.
Yeah nice! Excellent history lessons in this. Love the Beretta M9 and 92fs models. The M9A3 is getting ridiculously hard to find in 2021. That USMC Colt 45A1 1911 is about $3500 now in 2021.
I really like the P226, and it has a decent D/A trigger, better than the M9s D/A trigger. It would be a nice replacement for the M9, but I wish they would turn away from the 'alloy' frame to a steel frame.
Hans Blitz It's not a cool factor, or a fit and finish issue, but steel frames last longer than alloy frames. That's the only thing keeping me from buying the Sig P227.
This is more of a 2 things you might not know about Beretta M9 and 3 things you probably did not known about 9x19. If you ask me how about these to fix it: Beretta 92SB won the JSSAP trials and then later version 92F won XM9 competition and with slight revisions (which became model 92FS) was adopted as M9. Texas Rangers were also issued Beretta 92SB. The famous "enlarged hammer pin" design feature added to 92FS was actually present on Beretta 92S and was dismissed from 92SB and F. The Beretta 92 functional design was inspired by an iconic German Walther P38 as it uses the same falling block locking mechanism.
Something in the 10mm round. The kinetic energy of a larger round without sacrificing velocity means putting more rounds down range at greater distances with more stopping power.
Are you fucking kidding me? Just because it looks good and it's good in video games doesn't mean they should adopt it. It's heavy, big, loud, inaccurate and it costs way too much. You've clearly played too many video games
The desert eagle makes so much sense in all respects. Plus it has a rail on top so that if their rifle goes down, they can put their aimpoint, acog, or EO tech on it. It just all makes so much sense.
Stephen Viggiano You can do that with almost any fire arm. The Deagle is too fucking heavy to be standard issue, and too costly, too big, etc. I think that a Sig P226 or the Glock would be a good choice. Light and compact.
Goodspittin That CZ75 does feel nice, but the M9 and P226 just feel right. And I don't have big hands, so I'm not sure why people are saying those weapons are huge. Unless the standard size for a duty pistol is a Glock 26.
Goodspittin Just to make sure, service 9mm weapons would include firearms like the G17/G34, CZ 75, M9. Full size pistols like that? No G19/compacts in this comparison.
***** My 1911 is a Colt. several manufacturers made them. 9mm is deadly, but not as deadly as I would like against a very bad person. I like my model 19 .357 better than either, you only get 6 rounds, but they are very effective rounds He also misdescribed the capacity an A1 has a 6 not a 7 round clip, and in the service you only keep 5 rounds in them.
I may be wrong but I believe that the pistol for the army is required to have a manual safety so it will not be a Glock. There are several other manufactures that make nice pistols with safeties such as the M&P, H&K, FN and a few more. But since our military already has a few contracts with FN for small arms the FNX may get a good look. Just my two cents.
+Galaxy boy Trent because its pretty fucking cool. i mean, its unreliable, heavy, has a low mag capacity, expensive, and utterly rediculious..... but its also a fucking 50 AE Desert Eagle... i like them, but i wouldnt trust my life to one.
I fired an M&P 40, that was bad enough, I'd hate to have to shoot the 10 mm all day. The 9 and 45 both have nice recoil, and they work. The 10 mm is expensive and wouldn't be standardized.....ever.
William Carmine If the military decided to use it, then that IS it being standardized. In a proper handgun 10mm isn't bad at all. .40 tends to be crammed into to small of a frame for the round so it does snap, that doesn't tend to happen with the 10 [except the glock 29].
Yeah, I know all about the .40 being created, and them stuffed into am9mm frame as an after though. But the only NATO standard handgun round is 9mm if I'm not mistaken. 10 isn't even on the list for consideration. Shit, 5.7x25mm will be a NATO standard before 10mm is. (BTW, our Coast Guard adopted the Sig 226 in .40 cal for a little while, but that doesn't mean the .40 cal was a NATO standardized round.)
macstmanj3 and everyone else. The problem with the 45 isn't that it isn't a great round because I love it. The problem is that it isn't so much better then the 9mm nato that it can justify half the capacity. The confidence behind the 45 acp no doubt justified. Although in a military conflict it is better to have more overall firepower. Another problem with the 45 acp is if an enemy combatant has a chest rig complete with loaded magazines, the 9mm Nato's penetrating power will reign superior.
5 Things you may not know about the M9. 1 The military adopted it cuz the US wanted to put Pershing missles in Italy, not Massachusetts. 2 Within 6 months of adoption, the M9 was responsible for 5 injuries to the shooter when the slide broke and hit them in the face. 3 Ambassador Peter Secchia was responsible for it's adoption due to number 1 above. 4 Of the available 9mms tested for adoption the M9 was the least accurate. 5 The M9 uses the same barrel lock-up as the Walther P38.
The SEALs have been using the Sig P226 since the mid-'80s. It's actually the general issue sidearm in the U.S. Navy. The SEALs switched to the Glock 19 late last year. Some still choose to use the P226 simply because of long term familiarity though. In addition to their custom, rebuilt 1911s, some MARSOC operators use Glock 22s. The Beretta M9 is still general issue for the Army, Air Force, and Marines as a whole though.
the m9 is a fun gun to shoot. my "local" shooting range has one in 9mm and 22lr. next time i go, i'm gonna try the 22lr variant, as i haven't shot a 22 yet.
If the military wasn't so cheap when they decided on the beretta during the time of the trials between the p226 and beretta m9, it would have been our sidearm! I would enjoy the hell out of a p226 over an m9.
Well, it is double action and single action. I've never really had a problem with it. I guess if someone trains with something for a while, they get used to it. :)
+vegasfordguy I love the m9 used one for a long time. I had a problem while racking the slide on the m9 during a reload I would end up engaging the safety accidentally. That's the only reason I went to glock. Also flocks consistent trigger pull.
I like both, I actually like the PX4 Storm over the Glocks and the 92fs. A Glock will almost always fire and I personally prefer guns without safeties such as the Glock. I just can't get over what I consider to be a very cheap feeling gun. Everything about a Beretta just seems built that much better. I shouldn't have to take a Glock and fix the "pig nose" issue. I just hate the way it looks. But yeah, I have both and know that either one will get the job done.
+Jon Campo you obviously didnt read the first reply and sorry to burst your bubble but the glock was chosen for the marines new pistol but it didnt have a safety so the marsoc was there go to.
don't forget number 6, the m9 jams with fine consistency. and number 7' after a couple thousand rounds. not much by the way, the slide comes off while firing. that makes for easy disassembly and cleaning while in a fight.
Skipjack647 i personally dislike most of the sig's. but thats down to my dislike for da/sa i prefer either striker fire, or SAO, DAO is an acceptable last place. da\sa is acceptable only if it can ba carried cocked and locked. i hate decockers
I play it as a hobby you guys need to do some research because the 22.Lr almost got banned in the state of Texas because of its stopping power and affordability.
Something like the FNH FNX-45 Tactical or Springfield XD(M) .45 Tactical with a double-stack .45 ACP magazine (.45 ACP is already subsonic making it suppressor ready),adjustable night sights, adjustable grip sizes, with standard threaded barrel and optics mount.
so this video admits that you need two 9mm rounds to do what one .45 pistol rounds would do. hmm i wos rather carry the .45 because shooting twice is stupid.
I served in the us army when they stupidly transitioned from the venerable, reliable and hard hitting Colt m1911 to the Weak, unreliable, and not so hard hitting Beretta 92f. It was much hated then, and I am extremely glad it is coming to end of service life. The Marines have it right by reverting back to the m1911 and the Army so should follow suit. So what the beretta carries double the rounds capacity, you need that 2 to 1 ration to match the m1911 one to 1 knock down ratio. Extended round capacity m1911 magazines are readily available and have no problem being carried by past and present troops. US Army listen up, Go back to what is and has always been a reliable side arm the M1911 Colt ACP.
Benjamin Williams I don’t think a single thing you said about the m9 is true. I would still much rather have a seven round mag in an m9 than a 1911. You just sound like a fanboy trying to live your fantasies.
Benjamin Williams i was a competitive shooter in the Guard and was rolling up EIC or leg points with my rattletrap rack grade 1911, then they yanked them and gave us the junk M9. Took me three more years to leg out & get my Distinguished. My "selected" M9 had so much slack at the muzzle I could wiggle it all around. My locking block twisted in the middle of a leg match at a Regional and cost me a hatful of points. The Beretta rep at the shooters' clinic was bragging on reliability and the NG MTU match armorer asked him about the locking blocks - he denied any problem with them, then the armorer held up a GALLON baggie about 3/4 full of twisted, cracked & broken locking blocks. Garbage.
I suspect the Army is just kicking the tires. With our wars winding down and the budgets being cut I don't think a new handgun is a very high priority. Especially given he relatively minor role sidearms play in combat operations.
***** I'm not sure the Republicans have a credible candidate to field this go-round. My feeling is that Clinton will probably win. Not a big improvement since she's a chickenhawk, too. Either way I seriously doubt any modern war has been or ever will be won or lost based on service pistol choices.
***** You realize most of that 17 Trillion is what the government owes it's citizens for social security. It's also been 6 years of a democrat and you're still trying to keep up with "its bush's fault" crap? Keep calling the pot black, kettle.
***** lay off the coolaid bub and take a long hard look in the democrat's laundry. I'm not defending the republicans, I'm saying you're an idiot for laying the blame only on them.
Law enforcement deaths would go easy down because of all the people knocking themselves out with recoil xD kinda like unintentional playing dead, 500 S&W kicks like an anti tank rifle
they should use the FN FNX-45 because it holds 15 rounds almost the capacity of the m9, and the .45 acp is a subsonic cartridge so it can be suppressed well while still having alot of power.
the m9/92fs is the most accurate, ergonomic, and best handling out of the box firearm i've ever fired for around the price range that it's in. (500-575) the sights are really good, the barrel is very well centered with the way the block locks, the hammer gives lots of slap on the cartridge, the grip angle is magic. I like glocks and smith and wesson, but if i could only keep one of my pistols, it's my 92fs hands down.
They should just issue .357 magnum revolvers, that way when your piece of shit m4 jams you can possibly hit a guy with your revovler at like 75 meters.
***** are you forgettin that the 357 sig has the same performance as the 357 magnum? and that it can be chambered in smaller grip frames, in semi auto's its not a rimmed cartridge.. there is no downside to it.
***** you do know that it was designed to duplicate 357 mag, for a semi auto loading right? the only advantage the mag has over the sig, is it can be loaded up with some heavier rounds. thats where the case capacity helps the 357 mag.
***** ALSO case length on 357 magnum is 33mm, 357 sig is 21.9mm and 357 mag is a straight walled case with a diamater of 9.6mm whereas the 357 sig has a case diamater of 10.7 mm. so its not half the length anyways, also the sig cartridge uses a fatter .40s&w case, so capacity isnt as bad.. also 357 sig has a higher max pressure rating than 357 magnum. i'm not saying that its every bit as good as 357 magnum.. but for the advantages it brings (shorter grip, non rimmed, semi auto instead of revolver) i think that it certainly makes up for it with those in mind.
They should just save tax payers money and replace recoil springs and adopt a new bullet like the Lehigh Defense Xtreme Penetrator. Also made have gunsmiths cut the front sights to install hi vis fiber optic sights.
It is a very easy pistol to shoot well. My daughter qualified with one for CCW after only shooting a single clip for orientation. But her favorite pistol remains the Colt 1911.
im watching you, be very afraid. The army turned down the SIG SAUER P226 because of the price of spare parts kits, not the pistol itself. At the time, the Beretta 92/M9 pistol on its own actually cost more per unit than the SIG, but parts kits were cheaper, making the overall package slightly cheaper.
mr6johnclark Oh Jeez, 1911 has had it's time to shine but amazingly: autoloading pistol technology has developed somewhat in the past 100 years. Of course anyone can argue that 1911 is good enough for them, but the Military has higher standards.
hoeruokamix But wasn't it a false economy? Wasn't a major problem with Beretta's M9 was cheap magazines turning out to be unreliable so DoD was forced to get more expensive mags.
YoungSinatra25 Thing is, if I'm not mistaken the contract between the military and the m9 is coming to an end. Therefore it would make sense to invest money in another platform that might make slight improvements while possibly costing less. If the the contract is running up, why invest in the m9 again?
there not as reliable and light,and you have to hold them with a strong grip and if your pulling your gun out to shoot someone you wont be thinking to grip it strong
I think a special forces operator will be able to grip a gun strong with his foot. 1911 is outdated and only holds 7-8 rounds and a built in safety in the grip that you need to (grip strong) it's a 100 year old obsolete design. we don't use Tommy guns anymore for a reason we are in 2016
"You've been equipped with a modified Beretta M92F." "M-nine!" "It's designed to shoot tranquilizer darts. This thing could take down an elephant with one shot!"
I think another 9mm should replace the M9, like the Sig sauer, glock or even USP, or the US develop a new 9mm pistol, I don't think they should use .45 ACP, because the 9mm is lighter so you can carry more bullets
+Bruce Gao they actually have to use the 9mm because its NATO now. personally, i think 9mm would be better anyways just because of the smaller men, and the women who are fighting overseas too, 9mm is easier to handle, its also a flatter shooting round, and youll be able to shoot faster. personally if they are going to make the switch, id like to see the m&p9 or sig p320 in its place. but its also a waste of taxpayer money to change out handguns, because theyre not often used my many military units, and most of them just need minor repairs like recoil springs and hammer springs and barrel changes for them to be good as new.
The Royal Marines use the Glock 17. Previously the side arm of choice was the Browning Hi Power. Of interest to you might be the fact that Brit 9mm ammo is pretty hot. designed primarily for use in the Sterling and now the HK MP 5. It has been known to produce cracks in the steel slides of the Hi Power. No negative comments as yet on the Glocks. The SAS and SBS use the Sig 220 as well as others. A lot of operators have their own favourites which they are allowed to use.
+Ao sogeki limited round capacity is a real problem, because don't expect to hit with every bullet. Instead best to assume half of the shots fired will miss. And 45 caliber thou good is like most rounds, it takes more than just a few hits to put a person down. And the fact that hollow point and anti-flesh rounds aren't allowed, doesn't help. You also have weight, 45 is heavier than 9mm. Which is a problem because already soldiers are carrying enough hit and making kit heavier is not good. Plus that means you carry less ammo overall, which not many soldiers like the idea of. 45 caliber is also lower velocity, which means less range and effective range. Which for a handgun you might think might not matter much but it does. Because if your rifle is fucked, you want to know your handgun can go the distance and do so pretty reliably. And 45 drops a lot compared to the 9mm, which will make aiming and hitting the target vastly more difficult.
That's one of the dumbest things I've heard... 1) only has 8 rounds 2) they do not want a safety (on the to be newly selected model) 3) 9mm penetrates much better due to size and speed vs 45 4) 9mm is the NATO round so they want to have uniformity among all US allies
No safety & the frame isn't metal, but I think Glock's or Springfield XDm's. The XDm has a trigger AND a grip safety, where as, the Glock only has the trigger safety... To all the Glock fanboys out there! I know Glock's have more than one safety, but the trigger safety is tge only real "safety."
bad8531 your finger is your safety.40 personally for home/car/personal defense i have zero problems with my glock in .40s&w but i have yet to this day to find a handgun that i like more than my hi-power. my overall favorite for ergonomics, accuracy, beauty, quality etc.
FN baby. Love my FNX9. Full ambi for lefties, polymer base to reduce weight, 3-17 round mags stainless steel slide and cold hammer forged barrel straight out of the box. Can't get too many other pistols with three mags and hammer forged stainless barrel for the price. We're already using a crap ton of their weapons so the military knows of the awesome reliability. Made in America.
Hopefully Cheap surplus guns like when the 1911 was discontinued. I would love to buy a few surplus M9's i'd replace the springs buy some factory mags. then they would be placed in shtf caches with 250 rounds per gun.
A lot of people are hoping for cheap surplus weapons being introduced to the civilian market, but I wouldn't get my hopes up. It's important to remember that the Army is taking a rather slow-and-steady pace toward replacing the M9 with the M17 (SIG P320). It's more than likely that most of the existing M9s will be used to the point of being very worn down, at which point they'll be slowly phased out and replaced by M17s in most units.
MadLive Ammunition costs a whole lot more. A box of 50 .45 ACP cartridges cost about 15-16 dollars, while the 5.7x28 costs about 20 dollars for a box of 50 rounds.
I am of the shot placement and round count, usually the side that wins throws the most lead down range, I will still be shooting when my adversary is reloading and that might be the critical advantage I intend to exploit.
The .45 is a good cartridge. I got a very nice Colt 1911 Government that I paid way too much for and I've got old Ruger P90 and they both shoot well, but if I want to put all my rounds on paper at 25 yards, I use my 92fs.
Glock 18. It fires the same 9x19mm cartridge that the M9 fires, has over 15 rounds of ammunition capacity in the magazine, lightweight, blowback operated, reliable, select fire, semi or full auto that gives soldiers an advantage.
Keep the M9 although it got replaced already, but I have my M9 and just took it to the range today and love it and yes not all military units used the M9
Would like to see them go up to a .40 S&W cartridge, though if they intend to remain with the 9mm then the SIG Sauer P226R would be my vote. In the .40S&W it carries 15 rounds in a double stacked mag, which is equal to the M9's 9mm count. In the 9mm cartridge, the P226 has standard magazine capacities that top out at 20 and [far as I know anyways], the 20 round mag doesn't extend past the base of the handle.
The 9mm was a significant improvement over most of the wimpy rounds used by most European military and police forces when it was introduced ... but there's a reason it's being rejected by anyone with the ability to reject it in favor of the .40 S&W or the .45 ACP. I suspect if more units and individuals had the option, we'd see more rejection.
Some of the statements are a bit misleading. Other guns were chambering in 9x19 before the HiPower. After all, the cartridge dates back to around 1901-1902. How is that? Guns that were chambered in 30 Luger were subsequently produced in 9x19... before the HP35 was produced.
I recently purchased an M9 and noticed that the rear site was a separate component that had to be inserted into the slot. I slid it in the slot and shot 100 rounds. When I brought it home to clean, I noticed the rear site was missing. Apparently I did not install it correctly believing that it was a snug fit. Is there some means to tighten the site to the frame?
The M9 isn't at all descended from the Luger. I think they somehow mixed the Luger up with the Walther P38, from which the 92/M9 series got it's locking system.
Better title would be "2 things you don't know about the M9, and 3 things you didn't know about the 9mm Parabellum cartridge."
Bismarck11139 Thats exactly what I was thinkin, they barely mention anything about the M9.
Agreed. Interesting but not exclusively beretta
5 Things you didn't know about the Beretta M9. 1. Beretta makes lots of guns. 2. 45 ACP is bigger than 9mm. 3. German soldiers shot 9mm rounds. 4. John Browning designed a gun that could shoot 9mm. 5. The USCG uses Sig, and the Marines use Colt. OMG, I learned so much about the Beretta M9!
The Browning Hi Power and the Beretta M92 are two of the most reliable pistols ever made. The Beretta's reliability is due to the fact that the round feeds almost directly into the chamber instead of pushing up on feed lips
cz 75 too!
Jean Marie....Agreed
you Neanderthals arguing about very basic tools make me laugh.
Love my M9! Though I carry a Glock 19 or SIG Sp 2022 or my Kimber Pro Carry II if I'm feeling sexy (but the Glock and SIG are hard to beat) I Really want a Beretta Centurian, since I'm at my core a Beretta-man. Sexiest gun ever made (though the Kimber Pro Carry II)....all this to say I would recommend one revolver over any of those and one only: The Chiappa Rhino 2" or 4", can't get a better firearm than that for EDC and self-defense. Even as a combat weapon it ain't half bad. at all.
+Joe Cannabyte it's Centurion.
they need to keep the Beretta 92
Colt 1911, Browning Hi-Power and Beretta M9: 3 great pistols i will have one day.
I carried the M9 while I was on active duty in the Coast Guard. It's an awesome pistol.
Let's keep the M9. It is one of my favorites aside from the 1911. You can hit targets more effectively and keep them at bay longer than you would with the 1911.
4:53, the guy leaning back in the background. Nice shootin' tex... I wonder if that's a standard Army shooting stance.
4:00 navy was not much better, you could hit with your eyes closed at that range.
In actual combat you'll shoot from any stance but the "standard Army shooting stance". I teach my students 16 different "stances" if you will, including turned around, bent over, and shooting upsidedown between your legs with you off hand because ... you never know.
The two best all around pistols are the p226 and the beretta 92fs.
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if it ain't broke don't fix it.
+Giovanni Ciaramitaro everything can always be made better, to say it's good enough is always the wrong decision.
+John J What about the fiasco with the F35?
DamnedUsernameThing
Mistakes get made when developing things, well no let me rephrase that. The people asking for the product often ask for stupid fucking things. Now why they didn't just make an export version of the F-22 or remake the YF-23 for nato. No idea, most likely because high command typically is shit and knowing what they want and need.
GLOCK has kept it simple and they are one of the most sought after hand guns..... Again if it aint broke don't fix it.
All I know is when they start selling all those surplus M9's I'll probably try to buy one somewhere.
and i'd assume alot of surplus 9mm ammo would be up for sale too. i had a few boxes of winchester ammo, the box was white, said nato on it, so unless i am missing a point here, i assume it was the same thing the military used but was released for sale to the public because of some minor imperfection. it was 124 gr ball, and i shot it outta a hi point c9 and was punching holes clean through 6 inch thick blocks of hard wood
surplus m9 are so beat up I wouldn't one
lima ya make a good point, maybe ya could get lucky and get a decent one, bit its always a gamble, kinda like when some get an old mosin thats been through the wringer
kenneth risner I actually have a 1938 surplus. Lol.
and no offense meant,but the 45 acp is NOT more powerful than the 9mm, in fact the 45 bounces off some things a 9mm will go clean through
People are going to choose whatever is in the night stand. From a military standpoint It economically makes since to keep the M9.
The ammunition is cheap and in stock, they already have the guns. Their easy to take down and clean. The Barrel is exposed cooling it and self cleaning of the outer portion. Only pistol Ive seen make a critical impact on its target at 100 yds. Glocks are cheap simply because they knew the only way our govt. would buy them is if they were the lowest bidder. In my experience you get what you pay for. Beretta has had hiccups in the past but they have been ironed out. Ive served my country and law enforcement while Beretta's were in use. I own one as well. If I served and somebody issued me a Glock I would resign or retire! I want a good quality weapon thats reliable and accurate regardless of distance. If somebody is shooting at me with a rifle and all I have is my pistol I want a fighting chance at least.
I like the trigger, materials, and perceived recoil of the m9 better than the glock. That said, glock is also a fine weapon with its own benefits, such as lighter weight, faster controls, and smaller grip. Both cost about the same, both have excellent history, are proven to be reliable. I could go on, but my point is, neither of them are bad.
Richard Peterson Glock 17 are pretty much the most reliable handgun you can get. No need to resign or retire.
Ok
Honestly I'd love to see the military adopt something like the CZ75B. 9mm, full size, mechanically and operationally a cousin to the Browning High Power, ergonomics and controls similar to a 1911, DA/SA.
the 40cal. Best of both worlds, Hard hitting, High capacity
Why go back to the 1911? Wouldn't a double stack .45 be better?
Aaron Dawson That's one fatass grip, though. I love big grips, but damn that would be giant. I've heard of the FNX-45 but I haven't shot one. Honestly I like the .40 S&W just fine. Yeah you can laugh at me, but I think the increase in recoil isn't really enough to slow your time between shots, and it's still easy to make a double-stack mag with a good capacity.
TheMetalHeaD256 I've held the FNX 45 a customer bought, it's not too bad, and I have small hands the only bad thing was a far double action trigger reach. the real double stack .45 full size handgun winners are the Springfield XD series (which for me at least had less felt recoil than a 1911) and the Ruger SR45. The latter will make you believe the mag has to be a single stack till you remove it and see staggered holes.
For me there are four runner ups for a combat double stack 45 in no real order. 1)double stack 1911 2)HK45 3)FNX 45 Tactical 4)xdm 45 5) Ruger SR45
Some companies do a double stack 1911 clone in .45 and some can have up to 18 rounds
Liquid Ocelot I think the best of those come from Para Ordnance, I owned a P16 40, because I thought the 45 would be too large, but it's basically all they offer now, so it's worth looking at.
Liquid Ocelot It's just ridiculously heavy to carry around as a sidearm.
With a 1911 you don't need 15 shots.
Dwayne Mattson Talk to officer Jared Resson who was shot in the face with a 45, twice in his armor and once in the leg an shoulder... 45 does not have some magical properties.
Derrick Thompson only bullet with magical properties is the .50 cal. lol things hit with it just disappear.
more seriously though, you can get shot an unlimited amount of times and still have a fair chance to return fire as long as it hits nothing vital. once adrenalin kicks in your body can take an unimaginable beating before it falls. then on the opposite side of the spectrum...you can die to a .22 in 1 bullet.
I'm old I don't have to hump a rifle anymore. No caliber has magical powers. I'd say the right bullet with the right charge aimed in the right place will do the job. I would not feel sorry for myself if all I had for self defense is a .22 lr.
I'd like to say I would rather have an M1 variant, but I already know how well the AR platform works. I'd rather have it in .308 however.
Dwayne Mattson ar 10 baby
america should switch to 80mm rockets
+Watcha Say there is soviet russia for this
They all got bought up by texans.
+Watcha Say Excellent idea Franku!
+Watcha Say But the knock down power of the 80mm rocket is far inferior to W88's 475 kiloton yield. I think our troops should be carrying *_at minimum_* the Trident II ballistic missile, with *at least* 12 W88 thermonuclear warheads, on their hips. I mean, we are sending our troops out in the field with inferior side arms, and it is just unacceptable.
Joe Blow No. America should learn from their enemys and out fit each of their troops with a large nuclear device that will detonate when a bullet hits it. That way no one will shoot at them.
If the newer p226s are anything like my West German made one, I would recommend them in a heartbeat. Thousands of rounds fired through it and I can still rapid fire 15 rounds into a quarter size grouping at 10 yrs. Never jammed, never a feeding problem. Of course I do take very good care of it which an active duty serviceman may not have the luxury to do.
You know what this video needs? More radio chatter and more hard rock music!
Not a question of caliber (bullet diameter) but hollow point vs. FMJ. The 9mm and 45ACP are both dismal failures as man stoppers with FMJ rounds. In HP loads they have proven near equal. The stats are readily there.
military can't use HP, it's against the Geneva convention, soild bullets only
Yes I am aware., that's why the debate over a caliber for military use is futile. Its a silly convention rule the U.S. should be ignoring. A high cap 9mm with HP plus P rounds would be hard to beat. FMJ regardless of caliber will zip right through anything it hits with minimal instant traumatic effect.
Tom Smith That's why the 45 is liked in this role better, its slower and produces more kinetic energy, 45 230 grain hard ball VS 9MM 124 grain ball is well, no comparison, 45 is the clear victor in this case.
Yeah, exactly, Tom. A lot of people don't like to admit this.
Yep. The facts are there for anyone to see. In these dangerous times out troops should have the best rounds possible and advise the UN to pound sand.
The U.S. Military should adopt the 40 caliber Smith &Wesson as a standard sidearm. Why? It's a good all around caliber between 9 mm and 45 ACP.
yes
yeah, because overpreassure and mass amount of wear on components, heightened recoil with absolutely NO advantage over a 9mm is exactly what i want our service men and women carrying.
we should give them the compromise from the FBI who in to 80s was too stubborn and stupid to admit they were wrong and were too proud to go back to the 9mm (which has worked for goddamn ever) so they necked down a 10mm so they would have somthing 9mm like, but not as good, and ended up blowing up guns, cracking slides, and increasing wear on the gun stupendously. its just going to cause more harm than good, and increase the work load for the people having to do maintinence on the firearms.
The Browning 45 caliber semiautomatic well served the U.S.Military for almost a hundred years. I never had a barrel or slide crack on me nor have I ever heard of a Browning doing so.
+Jack Wayne were talking .40 s&w. and the 1911s had their own set of problems. mostly outdated sights, and the grip safety. maintinence also had to be kept up on it alot more than the beretta, andagazine capacity was low. so they kept the weight, increased capacity, sights, and unnescisary safeties. the 1911 is a good gun, dont get me wrong, but as technology advances, so do fighting techniques, and we need to keep with them or else we will be lost in the past, with inferrior weaponry. also the 1911 is NOT going to like the fine desert sand of afghanistan, at all.
+Stephen Nelson , affirmative.
I wish our military would've stuck with the .45 ACP. Yes, the 1911 has a small ammo capacity of 7+1. But we could've used something like the FNP .45. The standard magazine capacity of the FNP .45 is 15, plus one in the camber.
aux99139 Why do you like .45, 9mm is a better round, ballistically and practically.
Eric Fling That's horrifically inaccurate. Practicality is an opinion first off. Secondly, ballistically, the .45 carries about 25% more energy than a 9mm. So that statement is way, way, way... wrong. For a hollow point that shrinks down to almost identical in terms of ballistics, however NATO approved ammunition is ball ammunition only. (So no hollow points) which when you watch the video again, the energy is stated as higher for the .45. Muzzle velocity is not delivered energy. Hydrostatic effect (the force of energy dispersed into a target) is much more important, and higher for the .45
Drew Smithson Both of these rounds will kill a person, and both will likely not kill someone shot in the leg or arm. So more bullets is a HUGE advantage! Also the round is nearly 100% cheaper (half price) so practice, which I hope we can all agree on is more important that anything, is much more practical without breaking the bank.
Also who cares if NATO can't use hollow points, I'm not with NATO I am protecting my own life therefore give me the most expanding, fastest traveling hollow point available.
I also much prefer a flat trajectory, which highly favors the 9mm over .45 ACP. And you're 25% more energy is untrue. The magic number is K=1/2MV^2. Which is the equation for kinetic energy.
9mm is about 550 Joules, where as the .45 is around 610. Yes that is more but very insignificant difference. Compare that to a .308 which comes in at about 3,500 joules. So your 60 more joules isn't gonna win the argument. And certainly is not = to 25% more energy.
Eric Fling So the principle of the video is the next military round, which must be NATO approved, and you're going to throw that completely out? Then your entire argument just became invalid because the principle of the video was military use, not civilian use.
Eric Fling You're in high school, you're not defending anything. You probably aren't old enough to own a pistol, let alone afford one. If you're talking about CCW or other personal defense situations one may encounter as a civilian, you're watching the wrong video. This was about a military service pistol, not a CCW pistol. The .45 ACP will dump much more kinetic energy into soft tissue. The permanent wound cavity caused by a .45 ACP JHP is far more devastating than that of a 9mm JHP round. And a .45 ACP hollow point is likely to penetrate less than a 9mm hollow point, which enables the projectile to have a better chance of remaining in the assailant's body and cause more traumatic wounds. Basic physics equations you learned in a high school physics class don't mean shit, there's a whole lot more to calculating the effectiveness of a bullet on a soft target than one of the most basic equations for energy. With your logic, the 5.7x28mm or 4.6x30mm rounds should be adopted because they're high velocity, low recoil, cheap to manufacture, and the guns that use those rounds have ridiculous magazine capacities.
I carried the M9 for 8 years as a secondary weapon. It's a fun target pistol, but I'd rather have the stopping power of the. 45 (especially since I would have been limited to firing NATO ball ammo)
I feel if you are able to qualify with the .45, you should be allowed to carry it. If not, you'll get stuck with an M9, in 9mm. An off the shelf 1911 would be good enough for most people who would be carrying a pistol since it's a secondary weapon in most cases anyway. No need to create a brand new platform. Either a 1911, or an M9. Plenty of parts for both, including holsters.
Now, for those in roles where a pistol is more of a primary weapon (security forces, law enforcement, boarding parties, etc) something like a Glock might be a better choice. But, again, off the shelf. Maybe .40 or .45 for those that can qualify with it, and 9mm for those that can't.
Yeah nice! Excellent history lessons in this. Love the Beretta M9 and 92fs models. The M9A3 is getting ridiculously hard to find in 2021. That USMC Colt 45A1 1911 is about $3500 now in 2021.
Just picked up the Beretta 9mm for 1k here on California.
Fast forward to 2019 military is now adapting to the sig m17
I hunk they should use the Sig p226 or the 1911
I really like the P226, and it has a decent D/A trigger, better than the M9s D/A trigger. It would be a nice replacement for the M9, but I wish they would turn away from the 'alloy' frame to a steel frame.
William Carmine
They won't. Weight is important, not cool factor or fit and finish.
Hans Blitz It's not a cool factor, or a fit and finish issue, but steel frames last longer than alloy frames. That's the only thing keeping me from buying the Sig P227.
William Carmine Steel is an alloy.
GunEnthusiast It isn't an aluminum alloy like what is used in most guns. Steel generally refers to a more pure metal. Alloys are mixed metals.
I carried the 1911 for 2.5 years both in Indochina and Berlin. Never once would I consider a 9mm over a .45ACP.
Terminal ballistics are the same homie.
This is more of a 2 things you might not know about Beretta M9 and 3 things you probably did not known about 9x19.
If you ask me how about these to fix it:
Beretta 92SB won the JSSAP trials and then later version 92F won XM9 competition and with slight revisions (which became model 92FS) was adopted as M9. Texas Rangers were also issued Beretta 92SB.
The famous "enlarged hammer pin" design feature added to 92FS was actually present on Beretta 92S and was dismissed from 92SB and F.
The Beretta 92 functional design was inspired by an iconic German Walther P38 as it uses the same falling block locking mechanism.
Something in the 10mm round. The kinetic energy of a larger round without sacrificing velocity means putting more rounds down range at greater distances with more stopping power.
Sig Sauer P226 if we stick with 9mm, FNX-45 Tactical if we change to 45 ACP. Most likely neither would meet the military's budget restrictions though.
Adopt the desert eagle with a drum mag. Light and compact!
Are you fucking kidding me? Just because it looks good and it's good in video games doesn't mean they should adopt it. It's heavy, big, loud, inaccurate and it costs way too much. You've clearly played too many video games
Best choice for military sidearm. Anything else just doesn't make sense.
+Stephen Viggiano You're being sarastic aren't you?
The desert eagle makes so much sense in all respects. Plus it has a rail on top so that if their rifle goes down, they can put their aimpoint, acog, or EO tech on it. It just all makes so much sense.
Stephen Viggiano You can do that with almost any fire arm. The Deagle is too fucking heavy to be standard issue, and too costly, too big, etc. I think that a Sig P226 or the Glock would be a good choice. Light and compact.
The M9 is just huge for a 9mm
The M9 is pretty standard for a double stack 9mm, it feels just about the same as a Sig P226, or G17 Gen 4 with a backstrap installed.
The M9 and P226 are both massive compared to a Hi-Power or CZ75
Goodspittin That CZ75 does feel nice, but the M9 and P226 just feel right. And I don't have big hands, so I'm not sure why people are saying those weapons are huge. Unless the standard size for a duty pistol is a Glock 26.
I'm not saying they aren't nice. All I said was they were massive compared to darned near every other service 9mm out there.
Goodspittin Just to make sure, service 9mm weapons would include firearms like the G17/G34, CZ 75, M9. Full size pistols like that? No G19/compacts in this comparison.
Even I have a M1911A1, made by Thompson Auto Ordnance in 1938 no less... It is a bit heavy for me, but I still really love it.
***** My 1911 is a Colt. several manufacturers made them. 9mm is deadly, but not as deadly as I would like against a very bad person. I like my model 19 .357 better than either, you only get 6 rounds, but they are very effective rounds
He also misdescribed the capacity an A1 has a 6 not a 7 round clip, and in the service you only keep 5 rounds in them.
bah humbug the A1 does not have a clip!
I may be wrong but I believe that the pistol for the army is required to have a manual safety so it will not be a Glock. There are several other manufactures that make nice pistols with safeties such as the M&P, H&K, FN and a few more. But since our military already has a few contracts with FN for small arms the FNX may get a good look. Just my two cents.
Clearly the sidearm they will issue next ...... .50AE 24kt Gold with Tiger stripe Dessert Eagles
i support this
how about something more practical and useful?
+Galaxy boy Trent and somthing that functions reliably.
Stephen Nelson yes, the desert eagle is just a overrated and impractical pistol, seriously why do people like it?
+Galaxy boy Trent because its pretty fucking cool. i mean, its unreliable, heavy, has a low mag capacity, expensive, and utterly rediculious..... but its also a fucking 50 AE Desert Eagle...
i like them, but i wouldnt trust my life to one.
Lets go to the 10mm or the .45. I prefer the 10 because of the higher velocity, but the .45 is good because of it's energy transfer.
I fired an M&P 40, that was bad enough, I'd hate to have to shoot the 10 mm all day. The 9 and 45 both have nice recoil, and they work. The 10 mm is expensive and wouldn't be standardized.....ever.
William Carmine If the military decided to use it, then that IS it being standardized. In a proper handgun 10mm isn't bad at all. .40 tends to be crammed into to small of a frame for the round so it does snap, that doesn't tend to happen with the 10 [except the glock 29].
Yeah, I know all about the .40 being created, and them stuffed into am9mm frame as an after though. But the only NATO standard handgun round is 9mm if I'm not mistaken. 10 isn't even on the list for consideration. Shit, 5.7x25mm will be a NATO standard before 10mm is. (BTW, our Coast Guard adopted the Sig 226 in .40 cal for a little while, but that doesn't mean the .40 cal was a NATO standardized round.)
William Carmine The 10mm is a standard round for the Sirius Sledge Patrol of Denmark for use against Polar bears.
macstmanj3 and everyone else. The problem with the 45 isn't that it isn't a great round because I love it. The problem is that it isn't so much better then the 9mm nato that it can justify half the capacity. The confidence behind the 45 acp no doubt justified. Although in a military conflict it is better to have more overall firepower. Another problem with the 45 acp is if an enemy combatant has a chest rig complete with loaded magazines, the 9mm Nato's penetrating power will reign superior.
5 Things you may not know about the M9.
1 The military adopted it cuz the US wanted to put Pershing missles in Italy, not Massachusetts.
2 Within 6 months of adoption, the M9 was responsible for 5 injuries to the shooter when the slide broke and hit them in the face.
3 Ambassador Peter Secchia was responsible for it's adoption due to number 1 above.
4 Of the available 9mms tested for adoption the M9 was the least accurate.
5 The M9 uses the same barrel lock-up as the Walther P38.
Up north, us Canadians have been using the Sig P226, gets the job done and is easy to clean
The SEALs have been using the Sig P226 since the mid-'80s. It's actually the general issue sidearm in the U.S. Navy.
The SEALs switched to the Glock 19 late last year. Some still choose to use the P226 simply because of long term familiarity though.
In addition to their custom, rebuilt 1911s, some MARSOC operators use Glock 22s.
The Beretta M9 is still general issue for the Army, Air Force, and Marines as a whole though.
***** My mistake, but the P226 is highly used with our Canadian Special Operations Forces Command , and I belive our seaman too respectively
the m9 is a fun gun to shoot. my "local" shooting range has one in 9mm and 22lr. next time i go, i'm gonna try the 22lr variant, as i haven't shot a 22 yet.
Probably Some Glock. Although I wish it would be the p226, h&kUSP or the FN57
Sig P226. I love it. 9mil. Very ergonomic. :)
If the military wasn't so cheap when they decided on the beretta during the time of the trials between the p226 and beretta m9, it would have been our sidearm! I would enjoy the hell out of a p226 over an m9.
Yes sir! :)
Rifleman Gaming Trigger is junk
Well, it is double action and single action. I've never really had a problem with it. I guess if someone trains with something for a while, they get used to it. :)
Rifleman Gaming Yea. I got used to it once I put 100 through one. I still got great group with it. Rounds on top on rounds
Glock 17 or 19. easy to use durable, reliable, accurate and parts are cheap. Long service life.
+jc6621 No more so than the M9. They are both very reliable and durable firearms. The military requires a manual safety which the Glock doesn't have.
+vegasfordguy I love the m9 used one for a long time. I had a problem while racking the slide on the m9 during a reload I would end up engaging the safety accidentally. That's the only reason I went to glock. Also flocks consistent trigger pull.
I like both, I actually like the PX4 Storm over the Glocks and the 92fs. A Glock will almost always fire and I personally prefer guns without safeties such as the Glock. I just can't get over what I consider to be a very cheap feeling gun. Everything about a Beretta just seems built that much better. I shouldn't have to take a Glock and fix the "pig nose" issue. I just hate the way it looks. But yeah, I have both and know that either one will get the job done.
+Jon Campo you obviously didnt read the first reply and sorry to burst your bubble but the glock was chosen for the marines new pistol but it didnt have a safety so the marsoc was there go to.
Jon Campo You obviously know nothing and sound like a keyboard warrior. This is my last response so have a good day.
don't forget number 6, the m9 jams with fine consistency. and number 7' after a couple thousand rounds. not much by the way, the slide comes off while firing. that makes for easy disassembly and cleaning while in a fight.
I believe we should change to the FN 5.7 simply because it is a NATO round that provides better accuracy, penetration and ammo capacity.
5 things you already knew about the beretta m9
TheLegend27 😂 for real
P226 all the way. The actually wouldve chosen the 226 in recent trials but only stayed with the m9 because it was cheaper.
Skipjack647 i personally dislike most of the sig's. but thats down to my dislike for da/sa i prefer either striker fire, or SAO, DAO is an acceptable last place.
da\sa is acceptable only if it can ba carried cocked and locked. i hate decockers
neverknows best why hate decockers? I dont see a con in using them.
Skipjack647 i hate DA\SA guns, so by extension i hate decockers. i dont like a trigger pull that changes from one shot to the next. thats all
neverknows best oh i see.
neverknows best Sig does have "DAK" or DA only models as well as SA only models.
I think the US military should have a 22. LR sidearm, just cause
W33dScope420Blaze m16Rape ...Why?
because it packs the same hit as a DE .50
W33dScope420Blaze m16Rape Perhaps you should lay off the call of duty.
I play it as a hobby you guys need to do some research because the 22.Lr almost got banned in the state of Texas because of its stopping power and affordability.
W33dScope420Blaze m16Rape .22 lr can make someone bleed to death, sure. But stopping power? Nope.
Something like the FNH FNX-45 Tactical or Springfield XD(M) .45 Tactical with a double-stack .45 ACP magazine (.45 ACP is already subsonic making it suppressor ready),adjustable night sights, adjustable grip sizes, with standard threaded barrel and optics mount.
so this video admits that you need two 9mm rounds to do what one .45 pistol rounds would do. hmm i wos rather carry the .45 because shooting twice is stupid.
I served in the us army when they stupidly transitioned from the venerable, reliable and hard hitting Colt m1911 to the Weak, unreliable, and not so hard hitting Beretta 92f. It was much hated then, and I am extremely glad it is coming to end of service life. The Marines have it right by reverting back to the m1911 and the Army so should follow suit. So what the beretta carries double the rounds capacity, you need that 2 to 1 ration to match the m1911 one to 1 knock down ratio. Extended round capacity m1911 magazines are readily available and have no problem being carried by past and present troops.
US Army listen up, Go back to what is and has always been a reliable side arm the M1911 Colt ACP.
Benjamin Williams BERETTA ROCKS
Benjamin Williams I don’t think a single thing you said about the m9 is true. I would still much rather have a seven round mag in an m9 than a 1911. You just sound like a fanboy trying to live your fantasies.
The M9 is not unreliable, the M9 has more capacity than the M1911
Benjamin Williams i was a competitive shooter in the Guard and was rolling up EIC or leg points with my rattletrap rack grade 1911, then they yanked them and gave us the junk M9. Took me three more years to leg out & get my Distinguished. My "selected" M9 had so much slack at the muzzle I could wiggle it all around. My locking block twisted in the middle of a leg match at a Regional and cost me a hatful of points. The Beretta rep at the shooters' clinic was bragging on reliability and the NG MTU match armorer asked him about the locking blocks - he denied any problem with them, then the armorer held up a GALLON baggie about 3/4 full of twisted, cracked & broken locking blocks. Garbage.
I suspect the Army is just kicking the tires. With our wars winding down and the budgets being cut I don't think a new handgun is a very high priority. Especially given he relatively minor role sidearms play in combat operations.
Theres war comming up
***** I'm not sure the Republicans have a credible candidate to field this go-round. My feeling is that Clinton will probably win. Not a big improvement since she's a chickenhawk, too. Either way I seriously doubt any modern war has been or ever will be won or lost based on service pistol choices.
***** You realize most of that 17 Trillion is what the government owes it's citizens for social security. It's also been 6 years of a democrat and you're still trying to keep up with "its bush's fault" crap?
Keep calling the pot black, kettle.
Well, this government led us out of the financial crisis, brought 10thousand of troops home and created new jobs at a record speed
***** lay off the coolaid bub and take a long hard look in the democrat's laundry.
I'm not defending the republicans, I'm saying you're an idiot for laying the blame only on them.
We should go to a 500 s&w lol
Law enforcement deaths would go easy down because of all the people knocking themselves out with recoil xD kinda like unintentional playing dead, 500 S&W kicks like an anti tank rifle
they should use the FN FNX-45 because it holds 15 rounds almost the capacity of the m9, and the .45 acp is a subsonic cartridge so it can be suppressed well while still having alot of power.
the m9/92fs is the most accurate, ergonomic, and best handling out of the box firearm i've ever fired for around the price range that it's in. (500-575) the sights are really good, the barrel is very well centered with the way the block locks, the hammer gives lots of slap on the cartridge, the grip angle is magic. I like glocks and smith and wesson, but if i could only keep one of my pistols, it's my 92fs hands down.
They should just issue .357 magnum revolvers, that way when your piece of shit m4 jams you can possibly hit a guy with your revovler at like 75 meters.
Alfonso Castro .357 sig then.
***** too small in what way???
do not understand your line of thinking..
***** are you forgettin that the 357 sig has the same performance as the 357 magnum? and that it can be chambered in smaller grip frames, in semi auto's its not a rimmed cartridge.. there is no downside to it.
***** you do know that it was designed to duplicate 357 mag, for a semi auto loading right?
the only advantage the mag has over the sig, is it can be loaded up with some heavier rounds. thats where the case capacity helps the 357 mag.
***** ALSO case length on 357 magnum is 33mm, 357 sig is 21.9mm
and 357 mag is a straight walled case with a diamater of 9.6mm whereas the 357 sig has a case diamater of 10.7 mm.
so its not half the length anyways, also the sig cartridge uses a fatter .40s&w case, so capacity isnt as bad..
also 357 sig has a higher max pressure rating than 357 magnum.
i'm not saying that its every bit as good as 357 magnum.. but for the advantages it brings (shorter grip, non rimmed, semi auto instead of revolver) i think that it certainly makes up for it with those in mind.
They should just save tax payers money and replace recoil springs and adopt a new bullet like the Lehigh Defense Xtreme Penetrator. Also made have gunsmiths cut the front sights to install hi vis fiber optic sights.
Replace it with the CZ75 SP O1 Tactical pistol
It is a very easy pistol to shoot well. My daughter qualified with one for CCW after only shooting a single clip for orientation. But her favorite pistol remains the Colt 1911.
Magazine not clip
I love that Beretta has a stationary barrel unlike most handguns free floating barrel. in my opinion. the M9A3 should be the sidearm of choice.
Why always insist the m1911 has 8 rounds...
Thats why there are hicap 1911s...
mr6johnclark the army cant afford p226's. you really think they can afford sti 2011's
im watching you, be very afraid. The army turned down the SIG SAUER P226 because of the price of spare parts kits, not the pistol itself. At the time, the Beretta 92/M9 pistol on its own actually cost more per unit than the SIG, but parts kits were cheaper, making the overall package slightly cheaper.
didnt know that.
mr6johnclark Oh Jeez, 1911 has had it's time to shine but amazingly: autoloading pistol technology has developed somewhat in the past 100 years.
Of course anyone can argue that 1911 is good enough for them, but the Military has higher standards.
hoeruokamix But wasn't it a false economy? Wasn't a major problem with Beretta's M9 was cheap magazines turning out to be unreliable so DoD was forced to get more expensive mags.
We should stick with 9mm, and the Beretta. Nothing wrong with either. No point in spending money on something like this.
YoungSinatra25 Thing is, if I'm not mistaken the contract between the military and the m9 is coming to an end. Therefore it would make sense to invest money in another platform that might make slight improvements while possibly costing less. If the the contract is running up, why invest in the m9 again?
I'd go for the 1911.There's nothing more American than the 1911.
there not as reliable and light,and you have to hold them with a strong grip and if your pulling your gun out to shoot someone you wont be thinking to grip it strong
+Alpha smurf they weigh about the same .... As for reliability well I'd beg to differ .
I think a special forces operator will be able to grip a gun strong with his foot. 1911 is outdated and only holds 7-8 rounds and a built in safety in the grip that you need to (grip strong) it's a 100 year old obsolete design. we don't use Tommy guns anymore for a reason we are in 2016
El Pingu it seems like most the people who comment about 1911s have no real world experience with them or the knowledge .....
Yeah I'd have to agree if it was up to this guy all our armed forces would have 1911's and flamethrowers. kicking it old school
"You've been equipped with a modified Beretta M92F."
"M-nine!"
"It's designed to shoot tranquilizer darts. This thing could take down an elephant with one shot!"
Jake mgs2?
Sure spends a lot of time talking about crap that has absolutely zip to do with what the title promises.
magnum 500 is a good chioce
its a little bit heavy and big
but who cares, it kills everything
and you only get 5 tries.... god forbid you have a malfunction.
Stephen Nelson this gun is as big as my forearm
+Stefan Mauhart ... yeah, that makes it so much less desiarible to carry around all day lol.
I think another 9mm should replace the M9, like the Sig sauer, glock or even USP, or the US develop a new 9mm pistol, I don't think they should use .45 ACP, because the 9mm is lighter so you can carry more bullets
+Bruce Gao they actually have to use the 9mm because its NATO now. personally, i think 9mm would be better anyways just because of the smaller men, and the women who are fighting overseas too, 9mm is easier to handle, its also a flatter shooting round, and youll be able to shoot faster.
personally if they are going to make the switch, id like to see the m&p9 or sig p320 in its place. but its also a waste of taxpayer money to change out handguns, because theyre not often used my many military units, and most of them just need minor repairs like recoil springs and hammer springs and barrel changes for them to be good as new.
The military should use the USP 45. acp
The military sticks with the NATO rounds
+Surgical
USP 9MM then
+Arca's Archive it already has US in its name XD
I think glock 17 gen 4
+ThePoisonYouth That doesn't really matter and is a simple fix, unsupported chambers are usauly a problen with 40 cal anyways
The Royal Marines use the Glock 17. Previously the side arm of choice was the Browning Hi Power. Of interest to you might be the fact that Brit 9mm ammo is pretty hot. designed primarily for use in the Sterling and now the HK MP 5. It has been known to produce cracks in the steel slides of the Hi Power. No negative comments as yet on the Glocks. The SAS and SBS use the Sig 220 as well as others. A lot of operators have their own favourites which they are allowed to use.
I recommend the Sig Sauer p227. It's solid construction, rugged and dam near indestructible. Ands is my personal weapon of choice.
Just go back to the dang 1911, there was nothing wrong with it to begin with
exactly.
***** Yeah, but they should stick to the general design of Browning's much loved design
+Ao sogeki limited round capacity is a real problem, because don't expect to hit with every bullet. Instead best to assume half of the shots fired will miss. And 45 caliber thou good is like most rounds, it takes more than just a few hits to put a person down. And the fact that hollow point and anti-flesh rounds aren't allowed, doesn't help.
You also have weight, 45 is heavier than 9mm. Which is a problem because already soldiers are carrying enough hit and making kit heavier is not good. Plus that means you carry less ammo overall, which not many soldiers like the idea of.
45 caliber is also lower velocity, which means less range and effective range. Which for a handgun you might think might not matter much but it does. Because if your rifle is fucked, you want to know your handgun can go the distance and do so pretty reliably. And 45 drops a lot compared to the 9mm, which will make aiming and hitting the target vastly more difficult.
That's one of the dumbest things I've heard...
1) only has 8 rounds
2) they do not want a safety (on the to be newly selected model)
3) 9mm penetrates much better due to size and speed vs 45
4) 9mm is the NATO round so they want to have uniformity among all US allies
Daniel Dough It doesn't take a genius to know that a 1911 can carry 8 with an extended clip, dumbass
I love my 45 and my 9mm so I’ll let the Marine Corp decide, they have a lot more experience than I do!😃👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
No safety & the frame isn't metal, but I think Glock's or Springfield XDm's. The XDm has a trigger AND a grip safety, where as, the Glock only has the trigger safety...
To all the Glock fanboys out there! I know Glock's have more than one safety, but the trigger safety is tge only real "safety."
The holster is the safety. You don't need a manual safety on a modern striker fired gun.
I KNOW! BUT THAT IS A REQUIREMENT FOR THE MILITARY! AS STUPID AS IT IS; IT MUST HAVE A MANUAL SAFETY!!!!!
bad8531 your finger is your safety.40
personally for home/car/personal defense i have zero problems with my glock in .40s&w
but i have yet to this day to find a handgun that i like more than my hi-power. my overall favorite for ergonomics, accuracy, beauty, quality etc.
Justin Todd browning hi power! lol
The trigger finger is the only real safety. Be careful with it.
FN baby. Love my FNX9. Full ambi for lefties, polymer base to reduce weight, 3-17 round mags stainless steel slide and cold hammer forged barrel straight out of the box. Can't get too many other pistols with three mags and hammer forged stainless barrel for the price. We're already using a crap ton of their weapons so the military knows of the awesome reliability. Made in America.
I have a question; what'll happen to all the M9s currently being used when the contract is over?
Hopefully Cheap surplus guns like when the 1911 was discontinued. I would love to buy a few surplus M9's i'd replace the springs buy some factory mags. then they would be placed in shtf caches with 250 rounds per gun.
A lot of people are hoping for cheap surplus weapons being introduced to the civilian market, but I wouldn't get my hopes up.
It's important to remember that the Army is taking a rather slow-and-steady pace toward replacing the M9 with the M17 (SIG P320). It's more than likely that most of the existing M9s will be used to the point of being very worn down, at which point they'll be slowly phased out and replaced by M17s in most units.
FNX 45
Five-seven
Too expensive I think
might as well be shooting the enemy with a .22 magnum
QUIZ TIME!!
what is the Five-seveN made of (including the barrel)?
why did you capitalise the N lol
that's how FN Herstal capitalize it. Five-seveN - FN. it's like a pun. but not
FN 5.7...
MadLive The ballistics on that are worse than a .22 magnum.
***** Probably the SS 190 is not recommended for police duties, because he has not much stopping power.
MadLive Ammunition costs a whole lot more. A box of 50 .45 ACP cartridges cost about 15-16 dollars, while the 5.7x28 costs about 20 dollars for a box of 50 rounds.
p226. Double action, double stacked mag, great reliability, great pistol in general
FNX .45 Tactical, 15+1 of .45 ACP, Red-dot & suppressor ready, Ergonomics are excellent, Weight to firepower ratio is excellent.
+brownlabinet it is indeed a beast, a beatiful beast, but a beast nonetheless, and the ammo is still heavier.
Glock.
2lbsTrigrPull hell no
The Block.
The Walther PPQ M2 is an outstanding 9mm pistol. I think the military would be pleasantly surprised if they were to take a look at it.
they should use the fnx45 tactical. it has 15 rounds of 45 acp ammo, a standard picatinny rail, and i believe even an rmr mount.
I am of the shot placement and round count, usually the side that wins throws the most lead down range, I will still be shooting when my adversary is reloading and that might be the critical advantage I intend to exploit.
The .45 is a good cartridge. I got a very nice Colt 1911 Government that I paid way too much for and I've got old Ruger P90 and they both shoot well, but if I want to put all my rounds on paper at 25 yards, I use my 92fs.
Glock 18. It fires the same 9x19mm cartridge that the M9 fires, has over 15 rounds of ammunition capacity in the magazine, lightweight, blowback operated, reliable, select fire, semi or full auto that gives soldiers an advantage.
The FNX .45 is a good choice .45cal 15 round mag and the recoil is surprisingly managble
I Love the m9 it just works every time.its dependable and reliable when properly cared for i own 2 just because i love them so much
Keep the M9 although it got replaced already, but I have my M9 and just took it to the range today and love it and yes not all military units used the M9
They replaced the M9 with the Sig Sauer P320 designated the XM17 chambered in both 9x19mm and the 357 SIG
Would like to see them go up to a .40 S&W cartridge, though if they intend to remain with the 9mm then the SIG Sauer P226R would be my vote. In the .40S&W it carries 15 rounds in a double stacked mag, which is equal to the M9's 9mm count. In the 9mm cartridge, the P226 has standard magazine capacities that top out at 20 and [far as I know anyways], the 20 round mag doesn't extend past the base of the handle.
The 9mm was a significant improvement over most of the wimpy rounds used by most European military and police forces when it was introduced ... but there's a reason it's being rejected by anyone with the ability to reject it in favor of the .40 S&W or the .45 ACP. I suspect if more units and individuals had the option, we'd see more rejection.
I think that the SIG P226 would be a good idea as it can use many different rounds including the 9mm
Some of the statements are a bit misleading. Other guns were chambering in 9x19 before the HiPower. After all, the cartridge dates back to around 1901-1902. How is that? Guns that were chambered in 30 Luger were subsequently produced in 9x19... before the HP35 was produced.
This series should be called "5 things you already know about ..."
I recently purchased an M9 and noticed that the rear site was a separate component that had to be inserted into the slot. I slid it in the slot and shot 100 rounds. When I brought it home to clean, I noticed the rear site was missing. Apparently I did not install it correctly believing that it was a snug fit. Is there some means to tighten the site to the frame?
Walther model 6 and the Dreyse. Both terrible guns, but born in 9x19.
4 things my grandmother didn't know about the Beretta M9.
The M9 isn't at all descended from the Luger. I think they somehow mixed the Luger up with the Walther P38, from which the 92/M9 series got it's locking system.
im thinking a P320,it can be used with 4 calibers,right?
Smith and Wesson M&P9 or the M&P45. Either pistol (along with their Glock counterparts) would be excellent replacements.