I noticed while you were talking that the laminated header above the two large door openings is not adequately supported at either wall or the middle. The first heavy snow could collapse this roof. LOL!
When having work done in a place like this with no real zoning, inspections, permits etc you should always hire a structural engineer to be involved in the whole process from start to finish. The money spent will be the best value for the whole project.
Thanks for this follow up video. I watched the first and thought I wonder what ever came of this. Please keep us posted in the future. As a retired roofing contactor, commercial and residential, my main focus was always do it right and don't cut corners. This amazed me how it could get to this point. You made a great point about doing your due diligence when searching for a contractor. When I'm searching for a contractor I always dig deep and read all reviews and verify. You do a great job. And as you've been told before you remind me of Jeff Gordon. LOL
Here in Portage MI my in-laws built a berm house (hobbit house). I'm not going to say what builder. I've had to cut out concrete and add multiple trench drains and French drains. They let them build this home on the lowest point of the property. Every time it rains they get water pouring in their front door. Everybody has signed off and now it's my in-laws problem. It's not as bad now with all the drains but in the spring time a heavy rain will still flood the house. It's insane
PERMITTS all about MONEY......Even in CA where we are supposed to be "better". My neighbor after 3 times doing his own roof and the tenants complaining that the water was just pouring in around the fireplace and other areas, I called the city and said he didnt have a permit. Hoping they would inspect it and make him do it "right". After he was done. The shingles were going with the gable (wrong way) and I watched the inspector sign the ticket and pass the roof. I will never do that again. Just money spent and a bad roof that leaked.
I agree that permitting and inspections are much more about money than most people would believe. It protects no one. For small jobs go with reputation, for large jobs, hire a general, and if needed, a consulting engineer. My experience anyway.
We do love the follow ups. It seems this one is going to be a longer process since now the lawyers are involved however would like to see how this ends up. Thanks Brian!
I wouldn't blame the inspector, but the county that doesn't hire enough inspectors, then tells the guy he must go by so many projects each day. Then you have to look at the voters who vote against every tax issue. Then the county must recoup the cost of the permit work and starts charging the user. (applicant). The inspector could be looking at a whole house inspection just before he gets to your roof and it's low priority. I spotted that header behind you right away, the whole framing looks questionable in the garage, but we don't do "pole" garages here so I'm not sure. That garage footer looks like crap. Looks like untreated wood right down at the ground. That's a good idea for a due diligence checklist. We got our roofer from our trusted realtor and friend. We know her values and we trust who she trusts. He was a great roofer. I was just up admiring his work (all flashing lapped, not buried), all shingles tight and flat, new vent caps everywhere etc.
as a witness, you will be asked how many metal roofs you built, how long in the busuness, they will check you records if any complains against you, i know all these spiders will try a better speech to show you dont have experience, your video will kill them the best tool
I work as an inside sales for a roofing supply company and I've recently come across your channel. I've become a big fan of your content and it's really helped me to be able to explain to customers how to do things the proper way and how to do their research on choosing someone to do their roof. Of course working for a supply company I know many different roofing companies in our area near Birmingham Alabama and the little surrounding towns, but when I get asked for recommendations on a residential roofer one of my first mentions is always an old family friend who's been in the business for 20+ years and owns his own company. I will give customers some other recommendations too but my main reason for highly recommending our family friend is because I know he does good quality work and is always honest to his word and his customers have always had good things to say about his work. In fact some of his customers from 15 20 years ago who's roof is at the end of it's life have called in for new roofing materials so he could replace their roofs. I always try to help a customer get a good reliable roofing company to do their roof because as you have mentioned numerous times in your videos roof replacements this day and time aren't cheap and the last thing you want is for some company just trying to make a quick buck to do your roof the wrong way and the whole thing having to be replaced once again. I also took the time to look at your companies google reviews and they are amazing every single review was about how great you and your guys do on every new install and repair. I wish more small town hard working honest people like you were in the roofing community. Just keep doing what you do helping to give people a new beautiful roof and teaching people how save money and do things the right way! God Bless you Brian!
I really appreciate the kind words and good feedback! Thank you! I definitely will be continuing to add to the channel when I can because it can help so many more people outside of my reach. Thanks again!
In NC there is permitting for ALL Construction Work. However, it can differ by county meaning some counties are much more strict than others. For example Burke County near me has pretty much inspector comes and gives it a once over OR of they know the contractor they might not even get out of their truck and sign off. Meanwhile in Catawba County where I live they are so strict it's pretty much known you ALWAYS get failed on the first inspected so they can charge another $100 (Back 20+ years ago+) to come back out for the second inspection and everything is by the book to the T. So glad I got into Welding and Fabrication work and got out of Construction work. I did enjoy it back then when I was younger but, it was too obvious it was a trade with far too much insecurity for me.
Joe blow here, who doesn't know anything really but seeing a few things. Where is the top plate in that garage framing!? I don't see it in some shots. I've only framed a small structure though so what do I know, but a top plate seems like an essential part of tying your walls together and making sure the framing stays straight right?
I hired a licensed and bonded contractor who I talked to almost daily for 7 yrs he would come into where I worked it was a casino. He put a 4th layer on my kitchen and its sinking, water in the basement main beam is sinking, walls cracking, fake air vents, shingles over existing vents, moved or knocked the gutters away from the house and more. I wonder if he didnt do all this to get more work. Called him after I had a home inspection and that didnt go well lol. Small claims court in 2 days, have talked with his insurance, state took my complaint and I feel it will all go in my favor. What happens to a contractor when they lie to the state and their insurance co? Hes lied about many things and the best one was that I had him shingle my house this way was because I had told him to because I didnt have much money and he was doing me a favor 🤣Your channel has been so helpful in dealing with this Iv found stuff the inspector missed. Thank you
LOL that's like hiring a Wine o. Don't do it until you see his work and talk the people that they are happy?? You need to take charge on important things like this? Hopefully lesson learned?
@@Zack.G23 haha your right but he never went overboard and would have like 2 drinks. Went to court today and judge said I agreed to the contract wtf. Didn't matter nothing was done by code. I don't think the state or his insurance can go by that
For that span, that garage header looks light to me. Do you get snow load on a roof like that where that is? I don't even have to look at the charts in my 1973 Modern Carpentry book to know that looks light. I don't know what the code says. I'm just sayin'. Do I see wall plates on top or not, and where is the bottom plate? I don't know the code mind you, I'm just sayin'. It's not conventional residential house framing. I suppose that's why. Even so, I wonder what the code says. The first studs I ever handled were Douglas Fir, and they were heavy. We don't get that anymore.
I didn't know it was like that but I've worked in the same area for years. We have a lot of red tape to go through in north florida. Every permit requires an inspection. Our roofing sector of the company I'm at sometimes even requires a destruct if something wasnt 100% done in time for the inspector. Im talking being 90% done and his schedule was messed up but we have to go back to pull up shingle to show him underlayment and at worst nail patterns for repaored decking.
Thanks for the video. If that wasn’t the cheapest guy I definitely wouldn’t want the cheapest. I’m not a contractor and I noticed the header over the door wasn’t right before you even pointed it out.
You were there in May, 6 months later he still hasn't replaced that roof he never will. Stop trying to save this guy money, he's been shown and he's been told. Never try to save the customer money after they refused to hire you initially. I'm a Veteran and would NEVER ask a worker to work for free, never!
Heartbreaking. Scary stuff too. Thanks for knowledge. I’ve been reading reviews, etc of a few roofing companies near me and now I see I must dig even deeper. Just sad.
If you are a contractor in the business, a building inspector might do a windshield inspection and sign off on it, but if you are a retired carpenter and you re-shingle your roof, you might get a young inspector who will try to show you how much he knows while he misinterprets the code and tells you to redo something and do something that the code does not require, and think it's OK because it's going above the code, but it's not OK. The homeowner doing the work may go above the code. Training your people in government can be expensive. Hopefully it's worth it.
It's not a matter of getting the cheapest guy? it is doing your own due diligence on the people you hire IE: friend recommendation/Looking at past work they have done and talking to the people word of mouth goes a long way/If work has structural? well the town needs to be involved and inspectors if not town then hire independent one/ Many ways that this could be avoided plain and simple 🙂
When I did roofing I was taught the old school way hammer and pitching nails at 18 years old that was 2002 , I did for 3 years and I still can remember how to do it,
It's called a grade board and the siding should not extend below it. There should be a metal trim piece that covers the grade board and that the siding laps over.
I worked in construction doing HVAC both residential retrofit and commercial. After 15years out of it i can drive down a road or go into a building a spot jobs that were not permitted. Permit covers both the owner and the contractor when remodeling you are going to find something out of wack or dangerous and an inspector will work with the owner and contractor to find a remedy and it might not be as the code is but will solve a problem. All the inspectors I've been around were once contractors and understand problems come up and the homeowner may have to pay a bit more but can't blame contractor fo something other parties did in past.
Love the barn/garage headers. A piece of advise from having dealing with construction defects cases, when testifying in court the defense lawyers with try to get you answer questions with a yes or no answer. In life there are very few questions that can have a yes or no answer. In construction it is almost impossible.
That siding looks like it’s missing the starter strip it’s a metal like flashing plate sometimes you will run it low like that so you don’t have a step up but not when there isn’t anything to hold concrete back it’s going to bulge out the siding and that header over the garage door should be over at least 3 studs and possibly have brackets depending on area I live In Washington and we have tons of inspections and a lot of the time things change from build to build.
the part where you're pointing at the header. it looks like the header is resting on a 2x board on flat that they hid with the aluminum capping, and that's sitting 3/4" on a 2x4 capped with aluminum that's nailed to that triple stack of 2x4s. i say it's a triple stack of 2x4s because they have bearers nailed to the outside of it that their... top plate? is resting on and they've got 2x6s run horizontally as furring strips for the osb or something.
Nice to see an update on this disastrous metal roof and GC. Since nothing has been improved within 6 months, the winter will make lots of the faults even more obvious with water coming in possibly causing mold and the snow load maybe damaging the structure. A thermal camera could reveal water ingress as well. The longer it remains unfixed, the more expensive this will get. By the way, even Google reviews can be systematically manipulated by customer relationship agents who reward good reviewers only. I know pretty much first hand. There are various other ways that a company can use to minimize bad Google reviews and to swamp the site with good reviews. I usually read the bad reviews first and then look for other credible reviews to see if there is a trend. Obviously bad reviews could be planted by competitors as well.
I noticed while you were talking that the laminated header above the two large door openings is not adequately supported at either wall or the middle. The first heavy snow could collapse this roof. LOL!
You should see the inspection video if you haven't already.
When having work done in a place like this with no real zoning, inspections, permits etc you should always hire a structural engineer to be involved in the whole process from start to finish. The money spent will be the best value for the whole project.
american trasdesmen are a joke
Show us a start to finish tear off with your crew. Snapping starter lines, etc. Doing valleys, ice guard. Ridge vents. Vents etc.??
I noticed the header while you were talking!
Thanks for this follow up video. I watched the first and thought I wonder what ever came of this. Please keep us posted in the future. As a retired roofing contactor, commercial and residential, my main focus was always do it right and don't cut corners. This amazed me how it could get to this point. You made a great point about doing your due diligence when searching for a contractor. When I'm searching for a contractor I always dig deep and read all reviews and verify. You do a great job. And as you've been told before you remind me of Jeff Gordon. LOL
Here in Portage MI my in-laws built a berm house (hobbit house). I'm not going to say what builder. I've had to cut out concrete and add multiple trench drains and French drains. They let them build this home on the lowest point of the property. Every time it rains they get water pouring in their front door. Everybody has signed off and now it's my in-laws problem. It's not as bad now with all the drains but in the spring time a heavy rain will still flood the house. It's insane
PERMITTS all about MONEY......Even in CA where we are supposed to be "better". My neighbor after 3 times doing his own roof and the tenants complaining that the water was just pouring in around the fireplace and other areas, I called the city and said he didnt have a permit. Hoping they would inspect it and make him do it "right". After he was done. The shingles were going with the gable (wrong way) and I watched the inspector sign the ticket and pass the roof. I will never do that again. Just money spent and a bad roof that leaked.
I agree that permitting and inspections are much more about money than most people would believe. It protects no one. For small jobs go with reputation, for large jobs, hire a general, and if needed, a consulting engineer. My experience anyway.
We do love the follow ups. It seems this one is going to be a longer process since now the lawyers are involved however would like to see how this ends up. Thanks Brian!
should be a 2x6 jack there for header
Brian show how you research a company. Research your own company, and you won't have to worry about deformation.
Thanks for the followup. Not many RUclipsrs do that.
I wouldn't blame the inspector, but the county that doesn't hire enough inspectors, then tells the guy he must go by so many projects each day. Then you have to look at the voters who vote against every tax issue. Then the county must recoup the cost of the permit work and starts charging the user. (applicant). The inspector could be looking at a whole house inspection just before he gets to your roof and it's low priority. I spotted that header behind you right away, the whole framing looks questionable in the garage, but we don't do "pole" garages here so I'm not sure. That garage footer looks like crap. Looks like untreated wood right down at the ground. That's a good idea for a due diligence checklist. We got our roofer from our trusted realtor and friend. We know her values and we trust who she trusts. He was a great roofer. I was just up admiring his work (all flashing lapped, not buried), all shingles tight and flat, new vent caps everywhere etc.
as a witness, you will be asked how many metal roofs you built, how long in the busuness, they will check you records if any complains against you, i know all these spiders will try a better speech to show you dont have experience, your video will kill them the best tool
I so needed the pep talk at the end of this video, lol. Thank you!!
I work as an inside sales for a roofing supply company and I've recently come across your channel. I've become a big fan of your content and it's really helped me to be able to explain to customers how to do things the proper way and how to do their research on choosing someone to do their roof. Of course working for a supply company I know many different roofing companies in our area near Birmingham Alabama and the little surrounding towns, but when I get asked for recommendations on a residential roofer one of my first mentions is always an old family friend who's been in the business for 20+ years and owns his own company. I will give customers some other recommendations too but my main reason for highly recommending our family friend is because I know he does good quality work and is always honest to his word and his customers have always had good things to say about his work. In fact some of his customers from 15 20 years ago who's roof is at the end of it's life have called in for new roofing materials so he could replace their roofs. I always try to help a customer get a good reliable roofing company to do their roof because as you have mentioned numerous times in your videos roof replacements this day and time aren't cheap and the last thing you want is for some company just trying to make a quick buck to do your roof the wrong way and the whole thing having to be replaced once again. I also took the time to look at your companies google reviews and they are amazing every single review was about how great you and your guys do on every new install and repair. I wish more small town hard working honest people like you were in the roofing community. Just keep doing what you do helping to give people a new beautiful roof and teaching people how save money and do things the right way! God Bless you Brian!
I really appreciate the kind words and good feedback! Thank you! I definitely will be continuing to add to the channel when I can because it can help so many more people outside of my reach. Thanks again!
Wow... I live in Kokomo, In...
In NC there is permitting for ALL Construction Work. However, it can differ by county meaning some counties are much more strict than others. For example Burke County near me has pretty much inspector comes and gives it a once over OR of they know the contractor they might not even get out of their truck and sign off. Meanwhile in Catawba County where I live they are so strict it's pretty much known you ALWAYS get failed on the first inspected so they can charge another $100 (Back 20+ years ago+) to come back out for the second inspection and everything is by the book to the T.
So glad I got into Welding and Fabrication work and got out of Construction work. I did enjoy it back then when I was younger but, it was too obvious it was a trade with far too much insecurity for me.
The header is resting on a wing and a prayer.
Hope the owner gets some justice... Once you have been burned a few times, makes it hard to trust anybody...... Good luck Thx for sharing
Joe blow here, who doesn't know anything really but seeing a few things. Where is the top plate in that garage framing!? I don't see it in some shots. I've only framed a small structure though so what do I know, but a top plate seems like an essential part of tying your walls together and making sure the framing stays straight right?
I hired a licensed and bonded contractor who I talked to almost daily for 7 yrs he would come into where I worked it was a casino. He put a 4th layer on my kitchen and its sinking, water in the basement main beam is sinking, walls cracking, fake air vents, shingles over existing vents, moved or knocked the gutters away from the house and more. I wonder if he didnt do all this to get more work. Called him after I had a home inspection and that didnt go well lol. Small claims court in 2 days, have talked with his insurance, state took my complaint and I feel it will all go in my favor. What happens to a contractor when they lie to the state and their insurance co? Hes lied about many things and the best one was that I had him shingle my house this way was because I had told him to because I didnt have much money and he was doing me a favor 🤣Your channel has been so helpful in dealing with this Iv found stuff the inspector missed. Thank you
LOL that's like hiring a Wine o. Don't do it until you see his work and talk the people that they are happy?? You need to take charge on important things like this? Hopefully lesson learned?
I don’t know a whole lot of stand up people that frequent casinos
@@Zack.G23 haha your right but he never went overboard and would have like 2 drinks. Went to court today and judge said I agreed to the contract wtf. Didn't matter nothing was done by code. I don't think the state or his insurance can go by that
For that span, that garage header looks light to me. Do you get snow load on a roof like that where that is? I don't even have to look at the charts in my 1973 Modern Carpentry book to know that looks light. I don't know what the code says. I'm just sayin'. Do I see wall plates on top or not, and where is the bottom plate? I don't know the code mind you, I'm just sayin'. It's not conventional residential house framing. I suppose that's why. Even so, I wonder what the code says. The first studs I ever handled were Douglas Fir, and they were heavy. We don't get that anymore.
I didn't know it was like that but I've worked in the same area for years. We have a lot of red tape to go through in north florida. Every permit requires an inspection. Our roofing sector of the company I'm at sometimes even requires a destruct if something wasnt 100% done in time for the inspector. Im talking being 90% done and his schedule was messed up but we have to go back to pull up shingle to show him underlayment and at worst nail patterns for repaored decking.
Thanks for the video. If that wasn’t the cheapest guy I definitely wouldn’t want the cheapest. I’m not a contractor and I noticed the header over the door wasn’t right before you even pointed it out.
You were there in May, 6 months later he still hasn't replaced that roof he never will. Stop trying to save this guy money, he's been shown and he's been told. Never try to save the customer money after they refused to hire you initially. I'm a Veteran and would NEVER ask a worker to work for free, never!
Heartbreaking. Scary stuff too. Thanks for knowledge. I’ve been reading reviews, etc of a few roofing companies near me and now I see I must dig even deeper. Just sad.
If you are a contractor in the business, a building inspector might do a windshield inspection and sign off on it, but if you are a retired carpenter and you re-shingle your roof, you might get a young inspector who will try to show you how much he knows while he misinterprets the code and tells you to redo something and do something that the code does not require, and think it's OK because it's going above the code, but it's not OK. The homeowner doing the work may go above the code. Training your people in government can be expensive. Hopefully it's worth it.
It's not a matter of getting the cheapest guy? it is doing your own due diligence on the people you hire IE: friend recommendation/Looking at past work they have done and talking to the people word of mouth goes a long way/If work has structural? well the town needs to be involved and inspectors if not town then hire independent one/ Many ways that this could be avoided plain and simple 🙂
When I did roofing I was taught the old school way hammer and pitching nails at 18 years old that was 2002 , I did for 3 years and I still can remember how to do it,
It's called a grade board and the siding should not extend below it. There should be a metal trim piece that covers the grade board and that the siding laps over.
I worked in construction doing HVAC both residential retrofit and commercial. After 15years out of it i can drive down a road or go into a building a spot jobs that were not permitted. Permit covers both the owner and the contractor when remodeling you are going to find something out of wack or dangerous and an inspector will work with the owner and contractor to find a remedy and it might not be as the code is but will solve a problem. All the inspectors I've been around were once contractors and understand problems come up and the homeowner may have to pay a bit more but can't blame contractor fo something other parties did in past.
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What's up with that header over your left shoulder? 4:06 and no top plate?
Appreciate the follow up video! Thank you!
I just asked to do this on the last video. Awesome videos.
@ 9:27, what is that stud on? Nothing, or is it on a plate that is buried in the ground? Does it have a concrete foundation? I don't see one.
How's the last name the same a red flag. How's about if your roofers eye is looking the other way when u talk to him.
Love the barn/garage headers. A piece of advise from having dealing with construction defects cases, when testifying in court the defense lawyers with try to get you answer questions with a yes or no answer. In life there are very few questions that can have a yes or no answer. In construction it is almost impossible.
This 100%
Is that header substantial?
how is the contractor going to explain that mess and make it look good to his attorney/there is no hiding it
everyone needs to watch this and learn from it. good video!
Customer needs to go after the GC bond and recoup their money.
Need a roof done in Plymouth IN. Is this too far?
That siding looks like it’s missing the starter strip it’s a metal like flashing plate sometimes you will run it low like that so you don’t have a step up but not when there isn’t anything to hold concrete back it’s going to bulge out the siding and that header over the garage door should be over at least 3 studs and possibly have brackets depending on area I live In Washington and we have tons of inspections and a lot of the time things change from build to build.
Yeah definitely no starter strip
If the guy is 400 lbs then he shouldn't be a roof inspector lol
This was my electrical inspector. He just looked into my basement and said "that's your panel?" didn't even walk downstairs.
They get down quicker. For every up there's a down, and for every roof that needs an inspection, there's 400 pound man waiting to inspect it.
the part where you're pointing at the header. it looks like the header is resting on a 2x board on flat that they hid with the aluminum capping, and that's sitting 3/4" on a 2x4 capped with aluminum that's nailed to that triple stack of 2x4s. i say it's a triple stack of 2x4s because they have bearers nailed to the outside of it that their... top plate? is resting on and they've got 2x6s run horizontally as furring strips for the osb or something.
Nice to see an update on this disastrous metal roof and GC. Since nothing has been improved within 6 months, the winter will make lots of the faults even more obvious with water coming in possibly causing mold and the snow load maybe damaging the structure. A thermal camera could reveal water ingress as well. The longer it remains unfixed, the more expensive this will get.
By the way, even Google reviews can be systematically manipulated by customer relationship agents who reward good reviewers only. I know pretty much first hand. There are various other ways that a company can use to minimize bad Google reviews and to swamp the site with good reviews.
I usually read the bad reviews first and then look for other credible reviews to see if there is a trend. Obviously bad reviews could be planted by competitors as well.
WOW! That's all a disaster.
What a mess Brian ! I was surprised to see ABC Supply building a facility on the north side of town.
Yes please!!!
One thing you need too know is that the building inspector of a incorporated town has jurisdiction two miles Beyond the city limits
Hey Brian, anyone ever tell you that you look like a young Lance Storm, WWE wrestler?
No, but I have heard Jeff Gordon, Brad Paisley, and Ben Shapiro.
I've never heard of him, so I just looked it up. Thanks for the compliment! Lol
When you are the best, everyone wants you to do good work.
Would love to have you take a look at my roof in south bend 🫣🫡