That this was actually played at the Proms says to me that this work has been accepted into the repertoire. There really is nothing like it. It's both universal and personal, which is why most of us sob when we hear it. I have known this music for over 50 years now. It still always moves me. Thanks and best
Absolutely sublime, the best version of the Tenth I have heard, great conductor and orchestra...words are meaningless here..."whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent" in the face of so much beauty. sd goh (malaysia)
8:39 ! Believe it or not , but this only phrase gives me more happiness than some complete years of my life ..... I jump out of my chair .... everytime ... ...!
Yes, Mahler sees a way out, or a better way than that damned drum... Oh, if I were a time traveller, I would have brought a heart specialist with all of our 21st century tools to my friend Gus.
For me, from 21:20 is like he is slowly accepting death. You hear the orchestration become more and more spare as his body slowly closes down, almost like the different sections of the orchestra are like different parts of his body dying. Then suddenly at 24:12 he reaches out and screams "NOOOO!!! I want to LIVE!!" But then death takes control once more as he slips away...
Absolutely. I think I will act in the same way, if I am conscious to the last: ruclips.net/video/1mRec3VbH3w/видео.html I don't think that Dylan Thomas had a chance to hear the 10th, since Cooke had not yet widely performed it. But you might think that he had. ;)
Yes, absolutely. You are perfectly right .... but, don't forget, "life" for Mahler, meant also Alma .... and he says "noooo" to her treason, and "yes" to his incredible love for her.
Personally, I found the flute solo too fragmented, the end notes of each line too short. One should always take the rhythmical notation in this solo as a guideline, not a musical dictation.
Have you heard the Yoel Gamzou's version? By the way, Mahler left more than a sketch behind. He had the entire work laid out from end to end. It is VERY clear where he was going. Conjectural passages aside, the four-staff version he left behind is very specific, to the point of his indicating orchestral touches such as the 5th movements sole flute line. Slatkin went over the versions at one point and was impressed by how the assorted arrangers had reached the same textural conclusions.
13:36 ...... the very first seconds after a heart attack ....laying on the floor .... . .. closed eyes ... short breathe ..... cold sweat in your clothes .....terrible pain in your chest and if you move only ONE finger you are DEAD ....
The score does call for muffled drum - Mahler picked this idea up from a funeral procession for a deceased fireman in New York - The cortege passed down Central Park West outside Mahler's residence and he heard the muffled drum in that cortege from his window several floors above the street - or so the story goes.
Keep taking the tablets or see a psychiatrist. Or even better, study the symphonies of Gustav Mahler, who gained much of his inspiration from the misery inflicted upon him by women. But this symphony, the Tenth, reveals another Mahler; the composer's composer, the true heir of Bach. Keep listening, and you'll understand.
Great observation. The last work Mahler completed was an arrangement of Bach pieces, a suite he presented in New York which he conducting from the keyboard.
The glass noise at the end isn't part of it, is it? It actually fits pretty well, like a brokenhearted man giving his last breath and dropping his whiskey cup.
It also recently occurred to me the meaning of the prolonged trumpet blast in the first and last movements and the attempts by the orchestra to cover it up. It is Mahler's pain, or the pain of life, and the attempts by the orchestra to stifle it mean that for Mahler, not even his most beloved art, music itself, was sufficient to assuage that pain. Comments?
18:03 to the end .... this is the most horrible part of all western music you can find , I avoid since 30 years to listen to this , but , sometimes I come to this place , and then I cry like a child for twenty minutes . This is unbearable to me .
@@bcing75 I feel exactly the same. At just about that same point it becomes so achingly sad I cannot bear it. Makes me think of all of the beloved people in my life that are now gone, that I long to talk to even for just another minute, but who have been swallowed by the gaping maw of death. At some point my moment will come too and even the memories of those dear ones will vanish into the ether. I become inconsolably depressed every time I listen to the final movement of this symphony. It is sublimely beautiful, but unendurably sad.
I know what you mean. Some parts of the finale of M5 sound like Gershwin to me as well, but then so does Delius, and Gershwin sometimes sounds like Rachmaninov, and as for Shostakovich, he can sound more like Mahler than Mahler! Shall I go on?
Most definately Cooke 1. The dead give away is that the video opens with two drum beats. The first one is from the ending of the Scherzo II the 2nd one opens the Finale. That 2nd drumbeat is no longer there in Cooke 2.
I have to say that the performance is impeccable from the bass drum to the tuba and everything in between. BUT it is a British take of a Austrian composer of a symphony that was only in its sketch form with no real indication of what direction it is going to take. Also Mahler would revised the sketch, short, orchestrated, corrected and published score till it premiered. So this is a very British sounding take on Mahler, but not a pure Mahler symphony. I will stick with the 9 that we have.
Fair enough. I respect that. We are all free to judge this effort, and decide for ourselves whether we accept this into the Mahler canon, or not, for whatever reasons. I for one, am grateful that Deryck Cooke, and others, tried to orchestrate a performing version of the draft for the 10th, because i can’t read notes and this is the only way i have access to this work. And it sounds very much like a Mahler symphony to me, every bit as intense, and beautiful, and terrifying as its predecessors. I think we can both agree that’s it’s a shame that Mahler did not live long enough to finish it himself?
One flaw in this reasoning: all those who revised the 10th came up with rather similar results regardless of their origin (Cooke, Carpenter, Wheeler, Mazzetti, Barshai...), so I'm pretty ready to accept the idea that this is what the symphony sounded in Mahler's mind by the time he passed away. Would Mahler have completed, corrected and reivised it again and again over time had he lived longer ? Of course, that's what he always did. However, I gradually changed my mind regaridng the "completed" versions of the 10th, which for a long time I didn't think were genuinely Mahler's work. I have my preferences for some, but in general, Mahler's genius shines through them all.
2:25 .... hah ! the flute solo ..... and what is feeling the "lady in the background" , nothing , absolutely NOTHING . The insensible Goddess , another Alma , like every women on the earth , they are just not "able" to feel what men are feeling for them . Don't hate them , this is not their fault ....
Nonsense! The second flutist is a professional. Knowing the level of concentration required to play this solo, she kept respectfully still to allow the principal player to do his work without distraction. He would have done the same for her if their chairs were reversed.
@@Fritz_Maisenbacher No offense intended, but your bizarre remarks are offensive and embarrassing to people who aren't contemptuous of women. It's the 21st century - feel free to join us when you're more morally presentable. You're most welcome! 😁
@@TheStockwell First : I am not "contemptuous" of women. Exactly the opposite. But woman are different, and feel love in a complete different way than men. Second : I am not "morally presentable" and I do not want to join your stupid main-stream thinking world. Third : I have no consideration or admiration for this "21st Century". This time is shit. Music ended with Mahler, Richard Strauss, Schönberg, Berg and Webern. What followed is garbage.
@@TheStockwell Morally presentable ??? Just because you are in this ridiculous main stream thinking of today ? Join us when you made some efforts to be more intelligent.
All the anguished torment of love and betrayal and loss and death - all of the most painful elements of being human in one piece of music.
That this was actually played at the Proms says to me that this work has been accepted into the repertoire. There really is nothing like it. It's both universal and personal, which is why most of us sob when we hear it. I have known this music for over 50 years now. It still always moves me. Thanks and best
19:48 and 24:19 i feel like i'm entering heavens gate. it's so amazing, i could listen to this all my life
I firmly believe that the ending of this beautiful work is the full acceptance of death and the peace that follows
Absolutely sublime, the best version of the Tenth I have heard, great conductor and orchestra...words are meaningless here..."whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent" in the face of so much beauty. sd goh (malaysia)
Achingly beautiful. Faithfully rendered.
Mahler's 10th always makes me cry!
8:39 ! Believe it or not , but this only phrase gives me more happiness than some complete years of my life ..... I jump out of my chair .... everytime ... ...!
Yes, Mahler sees a way out, or a better way than that damned drum...
Oh, if I were a time traveller, I would have brought a heart specialist with all of our 21st century tools to my friend Gus.
@@BFDT-4
Excuse me , no way , Alma broke his heart , not an illness
@@Fritz_Maisenbacher Both
Maybe the best flute solo I've heard in this work.
For me, from 21:20 is like he is slowly accepting death. You hear the orchestration become more and more spare as his body slowly closes down, almost like the different sections of the orchestra are like different parts of his body dying. Then suddenly at 24:12 he reaches out and screams "NOOOO!!! I want to LIVE!!" But then death takes control once more as he slips away...
Absolutely. I think I will act in the same way, if I am conscious to the last:
ruclips.net/video/1mRec3VbH3w/видео.html
I don't think that Dylan Thomas had a chance to hear the 10th, since Cooke had not yet widely performed it. But you might think that he had. ;)
You are the first person to express exactly what I have been saying about this moment.
Yes, absolutely. You are perfectly right .... but, don't forget, "life" for Mahler, meant also Alma .... and he says "noooo" to her treason, and "yes" to his incredible love for her.
This was a great flute solo (and the soloist looked like he was alone with the music and that the world had disappeared for him).
Personally, I found the flute solo too fragmented, the end notes of each line too short. One should always take the rhythmical notation in this solo as a guideline, not a musical dictation.
Have you heard the Yoel Gamzou's version? By the way, Mahler left more than a sketch behind. He had the entire work laid out from end to end. It is VERY clear where he was going. Conjectural passages aside, the four-staff version he left behind is very specific, to the point of his indicating orchestral touches such as the 5th movements sole flute line. Slatkin went over the versions at one point and was impressed by how the assorted arrangers had reached the same textural conclusions.
13:36 ...... the very first seconds after a heart attack ....laying on the floor .... . .. closed eyes ... short breathe ..... cold sweat in your clothes .....terrible pain in your chest and if you move only ONE finger you are DEAD ....
The score does call for muffled drum - Mahler picked this idea up from a funeral procession for a deceased fireman in New York - The cortege passed down Central Park West outside Mahler's residence and he heard the muffled drum in that cortege from his window several floors above the street - or so the story goes.
The story was told by Alma, who witnessed it herself.
11:15 OH MY GOD , nobody on earth is able to foresee THIS sudden moment of music !! Mahler only , forever !
(begin at 11:01 to prepare yourself)
I love the guy in the audience with his mouth wide open as if to say " This is scary music"
It really is scary at times then exceptionally emotional at others
Man, I guarantee you will never find a woman that will make you feel the way this symphony can.
No . No! If Alma had returned and has made love with Gustav , he never , never would have written this symphony
Alma shindler, more like alma Shitler, that woman is such a gold digger.
19:43 one of the greatest myths begin...
The Bass Drum Hit sounds like Symphony No.6's Hammer Hit
Keep taking the tablets or see a psychiatrist.
Or even better, study the symphonies of Gustav Mahler, who gained much of his inspiration from the misery inflicted upon him by women.
But this symphony, the Tenth, reveals another Mahler; the composer's composer, the true heir of Bach. Keep listening, and you'll understand.
Great observation. The last work Mahler completed was an arrangement of Bach pieces, a suite he presented in New York which he conducting from the keyboard.
The glass noise at the end isn't part of it, is it? It actually fits pretty well, like a brokenhearted man giving his last breath and dropping his whiskey cup.
It also recently occurred to me the meaning of the prolonged trumpet blast in the first and last movements and the attempts by the orchestra to cover it up. It is Mahler's pain, or the pain of life, and the attempts by the orchestra to stifle it mean that for Mahler, not even his most beloved art, music itself, was sufficient to assuage that pain. Comments?
Makes a lot of sense. He however knew he didn't have much time
The flute solo at 2:25 makes the lady in the background more beautiful ^^
18:03 to the end .... this is the most horrible part of all western music you can find , I avoid since 30 years to listen to this , but , sometimes I come to this place , and then I cry like a child for twenty minutes . This is unbearable to me .
I attended a wonderful performance of this symphony in Boulder yesterday. For me the tears start at the flute solo.
Robert Howard - Yessir. Yessir.
It's horribly beautiful. I do just as you do.
You said it brother
@@bcing75 I feel exactly the same. At just about that same point it becomes so achingly sad I cannot bear it. Makes me think of all of the beloved people in my life that are now gone, that I long to talk to even for just another minute, but who have been swallowed by the gaping maw of death. At some point my moment will come too and even the memories of those dear ones will vanish into the ether. I become inconsolably depressed every time I listen to the final movement of this symphony. It is sublimely beautiful, but unendurably sad.
The E-flat clarinet makes a small mistake and it gives it a way "jazzy-er" feel than what is written =p
I know what you mean. Some parts of the finale of M5 sound like Gershwin to me as well, but then so does Delius, and Gershwin sometimes sounds like Rachmaninov, and as for Shostakovich, he can sound more like Mahler than Mahler! Shall I go on?
'acceptance' is a *word* ( re. 'acceptance' of death)
Questions: Is this Cooke 1 or 2. There are two versions. Which orchestra and who is the conductor?
Most definately Cooke 1. The dead give away is that the video opens with two drum beats. The first one is from the ending of the Scherzo II the 2nd one opens the Finale.
That 2nd drumbeat is no longer there in Cooke 2.
Great
Almschi... 24:11
I have to say that the performance is impeccable from the bass drum to the tuba and everything in between. BUT it is a British take of a Austrian composer of a symphony that was only in its sketch form with no real indication of what direction it is going to take. Also Mahler would revised the sketch, short, orchestrated, corrected and published score till it premiered. So this is a very British sounding take on Mahler, but not a pure Mahler symphony. I will stick with the 9 that we have.
Fair enough. I respect that. We are all free to judge this effort, and decide for ourselves whether we accept this into the Mahler canon, or not, for whatever reasons. I for one, am grateful that Deryck Cooke, and others, tried to orchestrate a performing version of the draft for the 10th, because i can’t read notes and this is the only way i have access to this work. And it sounds very much like a Mahler symphony to me, every bit as intense, and beautiful, and terrifying as its predecessors. I think we can both agree that’s it’s a shame that Mahler did not live long enough to finish it himself?
One flaw in this reasoning: all those who revised the 10th came up with rather similar results regardless of their origin (Cooke, Carpenter, Wheeler, Mazzetti, Barshai...), so I'm pretty ready to accept the idea that this is what the symphony sounded in Mahler's mind by the time he passed away. Would Mahler have completed, corrected and reivised it again and again over time had he lived longer ? Of course, that's what he always did. However, I gradually changed my mind regaridng the "completed" versions of the 10th, which for a long time I didn't think were genuinely Mahler's work. I have my preferences for some, but in general, Mahler's genius shines through them all.
Mahler relata su duelo por la infidelidad de Ana Schindler...
2:25 .... hah ! the flute solo ..... and what is feeling the "lady in the background" , nothing , absolutely NOTHING . The insensible Goddess , another Alma , like every women on the earth , they are just not "able" to feel what men are feeling for them . Don't hate them , this is not their fault ....
Nonsense! The second flutist is a professional. Knowing the level of concentration required to play this solo, she kept respectfully still to allow the principal player to do his work without distraction. He would have done the same for her if their chairs were reversed.
@@robertchoward
Your comment is so stupid ....... sad ...
@@Fritz_Maisenbacher No offense intended, but your bizarre remarks are offensive and embarrassing to people who aren't contemptuous of women. It's the 21st century - feel free to join us when you're more morally presentable. You're most welcome! 😁
@@TheStockwell
First : I am not "contemptuous" of women. Exactly the opposite. But woman are different, and feel love in a complete different way than men.
Second : I am not "morally presentable" and I do not want to join your stupid main-stream thinking world.
Third : I have no consideration or admiration for this "21st Century". This time is shit. Music ended with Mahler, Richard Strauss, Schönberg, Berg and Webern. What followed is garbage.
@@TheStockwell
Morally presentable ??? Just because you are in this ridiculous main stream thinking of today ?
Join us when you made some efforts to be more intelligent.