Strong induction.

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  • Опубликовано: 30 окт 2024

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  • @theartisticactuary
    @theartisticactuary 3 года назад +25

    Strong induction is just a special case of induction. Replace the statement P(k) in normal induction with the statement Q(k)=P(n) for n=1 to k. And that's a good place to stop.

  • @cepatwaras
    @cepatwaras 3 года назад +12

    I'm so happy that I can understand the whole thing he's talking in this video. 😄

  • @yasserkassar9946
    @yasserkassar9946 2 года назад +3

    Example 1
    For the IH, you should assume k>=2 not 1. The reason is when you apply it to P(k-1), you need to have that k-1 less than or equal to k which is cool, but you also need to have it greater than or equal to 1. The thing is if you assume k>=1, you will not be able to use the IH on P(k-1). In other words, you need 1

  • @ignacioelia759
    @ignacioelia759 3 года назад +3

    I very much enjoy the errors that were left in. It's fun to see you stopping your speech and then retake it from the beginning of the sentence.

  • @Qhartb
    @Qhartb 3 года назад +12

    I feel like a direct proof is cleaner for the 2nd example.
    Show 6 | n³ - n
    n³ - n = n(n² - 1)
    Easy parity argument shows that exactly one of those factors must be divisible by 2.
    Also, one of those factors must be divisible by 3. Case 3|n: we're done. Otherwise n≡±1(mod 3), so n²≡1, n²-1≡0, and we're done.
    It's divisible by 2 & 3, so it's divisible by 6.
    (edit: I get that the point is to demonstrate the technique, not these specific results. This just seemed like a weird fit for the method being demonstrated.)
    The graph example was nice, though. Could just use weak induction, but strong induction saves the headache of showing a leaf must exist.

    • @integralboi2900
      @integralboi2900 3 года назад

      Use Fermat’s little theorem to prove divisibility by 3, and recognize that n^3-n=n(n^2-1) is also divisible by 2 since n and n^2-1 have opposite parity.

    • @Qhartb
      @Qhartb 3 года назад

      @David Schmitz D'oh! That's so much more elegant and such a small step to take! I was blinded by my proof being "good enough."

    • @MichaelPennMath
      @MichaelPennMath  3 года назад +7

      You are all completely correct, although when learning induction it is useful to apply it to questions like this that may be solved easier with these other methods.

    • @algorithmo134
      @algorithmo134 2 года назад

      How do you get otherwise n≡±1(mod 3)?

    • @algorithmo134
      @algorithmo134 2 года назад

      @@MichaelPennMath How do you get otherwise n≡±1(mod 3)?

  • @hassanalihusseini1717
    @hassanalihusseini1717 3 года назад +2

    Another great video. Thank you Prof. Penn!

  • @Reliquancy
    @Reliquancy 3 года назад +20

    I’m still stuck trying to prove this one thing. I accidentally let my base case go from 1 to infinity, it’s taking forever.

    • @titan1235813
      @titan1235813 5 месяцев назад +2

      I know, I know, keep going, and you'll get there. Don't give up 😬👍🏻

  • @particleonazock2246
    @particleonazock2246 3 года назад +1

    You've come a long way from the time I first watched your videos. Now you have the verified sign!

  • @valeriereid2337
    @valeriereid2337 Месяц назад

    Thanks so much!

  • @tomatrix7525
    @tomatrix7525 3 года назад +1

    Good stuff. Very good review

  • @harryhariharan1496
    @harryhariharan1496 3 года назад +5

    I feel 6/n^3-n is easiest to prove as follows for n≥4
    n^3-n
    =n(n^2-1)
    =n(n+1)(n-1)
    =Product of 3 consecutive integers
    =Divisible by 3! = Divisible by 6
    Hence proved.

    • @riadsouissi
      @riadsouissi 3 года назад +3

      He didn't solve it this way obviously because he wanted to show how to use strong induction...

    • @prithujsarkar2010
      @prithujsarkar2010 3 года назад +3

      @@riadsouissi yes , he wanted to motivate the use of strong induction

  • @prithujsarkar2010
    @prithujsarkar2010 3 года назад +1

    Excellent

  • @goodplacetostop2973
    @goodplacetostop2973 3 года назад +5

    18:28

  • @VincentiusErvinSantoso
    @VincentiusErvinSantoso 3 года назад +2

    13:16
    I thought you wanted to prove TREE(3) > g64 using strong induction LOL.

  • @TheBrutalDoomer
    @TheBrutalDoomer 3 года назад +2

    Ex. 2: I put strong induction into your induction so you can use divisibility properties of consecutive integers as part of a proof involving strong induction while not using divisibility properties of consecutive integers as a proof itself.
    (not against it btw, just looks fun)

  • @djvalentedochp
    @djvalentedochp 3 года назад

    for the second example, shouldn't it be "for k >= 1"?

  • @minhnguyenquang4448
    @minhnguyenquang4448 3 года назад +1

    wow amazing!!

  • @GKinWor
    @GKinWor 3 года назад

    thx

  • @h4z4rd28
    @h4z4rd28 3 года назад +4

    Hello

  • @arimermelstein9167
    @arimermelstein9167 3 года назад

    To be totally rigorous, a tree T=(V,E). So you’d be picking an edge e={u,v}\in E.

  • @salmanfaresi2006
    @salmanfaresi2006 3 года назад

    Sir can you give me the solution steps.please.
    If x&y=xy/x+y then what is the value of (22&(23&(24&..........&(22020&22021)))))

    • @Qhartb
      @Qhartb 3 года назад +1

      x&y = xy/x+y = 2y (when x != 0)
      So "x&" can to taken as the unary doubling operator. Your expression is 22021 with "x&" applied (22021-22 = 21999) times, so 22021 * 2^21999. Make rigorous via induction.
      If, on the other hand, x&y = xy/(x+y), that gets interesting... Interesting enough to think that it might be a homework problem.

    • @salmanfaresi2006
      @salmanfaresi2006 3 года назад

      Sorry the question will be like that::::::::
      If x&y=xy/(x+y) then what is the value of (22&(23&(24&..........&(22020&22021)))))

  • @pierrot31511
    @pierrot31511 3 года назад

    It's easy to prove every natural integer has a prime divisor with strong induction

  • @samueldarenskiy6893
    @samueldarenskiy6893 Год назад

    where does f_(k+1)=f_(k+2)+f_k

  • @abd-elrahmanmohamed9839
    @abd-elrahmanmohamed9839 3 года назад +1

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  • @calebarulandu3068
    @calebarulandu3068 3 года назад +3

    Amazing as always! (i can't believe i'm third) :)

  • @jesusalej1
    @jesusalej1 3 года назад

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