I’m a paying subscriber to Waking Up for a couple years. I absolutely am OK paying the subscription fee knowing that others can access without paying. People I’ve shared what I’ve learned about mindfulness as a meditation practice a good deal from Sam, told me that sounds like what they were learning from Stoic philosophy. These two are having a great conversation about the relationship between those two philosophies.
Thank you very much! Sam absolutely understands the most nuanced thought patterns and has the gift of being able to calmly verbalize it.❤ Thank you thank you thank you!!!!
I have experienced psychedelics in my younger days and had what we might have felt were philosophical discussions at the time but I’m not sure if I can say that I learned from them. I can see how the experience could potentially be used to look at the world from a philosophical standpoint if you were guided through it and had a controlled situation but it was wilder and more complex than that. Spending time contemplating when straight and in a comfortable environment has been more productive for me in those terms.
I think it depend on the person. Everyone walks around narrating their experience to themselves (and their past, their future, expectations, etc.). But some do it more as a coping mechanism, compensatory for repressed trauma, anger, shame. They're the ones who have difficulty stepping out of the narrating mind (observing it rather than identifying/engaging with it). They'll approach mindfulness as something to describe, define, explain to themselves (be in control of). It becomes a new narrative. They can benefit from a loss of control.
Sam Harris was my first introduction to Marcus Aurelius, and eventually I ended up here, deep into Stoicism, a few years ago. Absolutely delightful to come full circle and see him here.
I gotta say, i thought i knew what spiritual teachers were talking about before i had an ego death on psychedelics but after that, i realized i had no concept of what the fuck they were talking about. I wouldn’t have leaped that gap without it. Its the difference between conceptual spirituality and experiential spirituality
As a sober person who cannot take psychedelics, I am glad to hear someone say these radical experiences can be attained without taking them. But I also understand they are more accessible and powerful with them.
There are multiple facets of “the work.” There’s mining the insights through psychedelic practices, understanding the insights through reflective practices, and there’s embodying the insights through mindfulness. It is useful to remember that it’s not a single phased process.
Ok, so as to understand what you mean by mining.. would be the insights, ahaa moments - where you have almost like an epiphany, or to have deep conversations with others while in an altered state of mind?
@@flowstateofmind82 yes. More desirable results require more effective behaviors. More effective behaviors require deeper levels of understanding. Deeper levels of understanding require the insights and experiences that shift your perspective. Psychedelic experiences, meditation, fasting, intense exercise, problem solving all lead to insights or epiphanies. Then we need to process the epiphanies to find the deeper level of understanding. That understanding can then become action, the embodiment of the new understanding.
@@chrisrubio8212 currently working on the better actions. Fasting, intense exercise, reading currently - The 5am Club by: Robin Sharma.. very good.. highly recommended if you have not read it. I will be following you due to your knowledge and understanding of this beautiful journey we are all on. I believe we are on the right path in other words learning and knowing the Self and the world we are participating in. Question.. do you believe we can tap into the Akashic Record at will? Or is it that we are open to our spirit guides helping us along the way?
@@chrisrubio8212 did you see my second question to you? About.. are we accessing the Akashic record or is it our Spiritual guides that provide us guidance...? It isn't displaying in the comments section for me. 🤔
Enlightenment is the embodiment of your conscience. Your conscience is the voice that invites you to be your most courageous, most authentic, most excellent self. It’s also known as ecstasis, the flow state or the zone. It is experienced when your conscience flows through every decision and action with zero latency in the system, and without regard to ego or self-doubt. Enlightenment is often fleeting. The more time you can spend in that zone, the more meaningful the experience of your life. It requires focus. Meditation is a key practice for maximizing focus and enlightenment.
Sam confuses me. On the one hand, he says that it's a mistake to identify yourself with your thoughts and to fail to recognize that thoughts are separate things that "arise" in consciousness and that can be "viewed" objectively. And yet on the other hand, he claims that the subject/object distinction between ourself and our thoughts is illusory. And that there is no thinker in addition to the thoughts. That the goal of meditation is "non-duality." So are we identical to our thoughts? Or are we a separate entity watching them arise in consciousness?
I had to think about this, but I think I understand the disconnect between your question and Sam's perspective. Thoughts are seperate in the sense that they are not under our control as 'thinkers' they simple come. The point of mindfulness is to pay attention to this as an experience, and to view its qualities. And though we experience this from a certain point of view, the reality is that even this is a consequence of consciousness being an amalgam of experience both internal and external.
Identification with thought typical means not realizing the extent to which we narrate, self-talk, explain our experience to ourselves (constantly, empirically). It's a habit. We can go through life thinking that's real, but they don't add anything to what's actually happening. They just make us feel good that we know what's going on (even if it's highly confabulated, reflexive, rehearsed, based upon past experiences & their narration, and subsequent re-narration, leading to expectations which are premeditated resentments, and so on, and so on). It's the "so on, and so on" which is the problem. We don't see it. Your thoughts are real, they are yours. But, they aren't you. You don't depend upon thinking to exist. I don't depend upon an explanation of the car door I just heard shut in the distance for that to have happened, or for me to have heard it. When you sleep & dream, you're having a private experience that's completely disconnected from reality. I had one recently where I was in an elevator, and when it reached the ground floor it rotated onto its side and began carrying me on a highway like a car. Not ONCE did I say "ok, this isn't real." I went along with it like it was supposed to be real. Our waking life shares a lot of that. And, there are periods of sleep where nothing happens (deep sleep, no dreaming). You still exist without that. There was just nothing to narrate, identify with, engage with. I think it's like that. Practice mindfulness meditation and you can see it for yourself. Then it turns into "well, we have think. I have to make a shopping list, and know when the bus arrives. I can't just float around in an altered state" That's true. But, we do A LOT of unnecessary thinking that's more in the habit mode, doesn't add anything, distracts us from what is. It's about knowing the difference.
And this is a repost not a new one.. Sam mentioned on it he deleted his Twitter a month ago so, we definitely need more Sam Harris on the Daily Stoic podcast even more ❤
I get somewhat frustrated at how dense Ryan can be regarding his skepticism around psychedelics. It's very simple. Some people just need to see/experience something (i.e. "enlightenment") firsthand before they can appreciate the value in it. Stoicism is great once you're immersed in it, but I think there are a lot of people that need to go through some type of experience before they are ready to fully engage with it. It isn't a replacement for "doing the work", it is a sneak preview at what experience can be like if the work is truly put in.
Acceptance and commitment therapy combined with stoicism is probably the best way to combine mindfulness and stoicism. Donald Robertson has done a good job of combining the two. He wrote a book called build your resilience that covers this.
@28:00 ("The work...."). There's a point where the mind overdoes it, it needs "work." Ultimately the only thing that's real is this present moment, everything else is a story we tell ourselves about the past/future. That story is largely a matter of habit. For me: psychedelics made that real. I couldn't have realized it otherwise. it would've been a slogan that I would've cognitively said "yeah, I get it." Experiencing it is something else. Once you see it, you can't unsee it. There's definitely a need to do the work (understand how your mind works, observe it). We're largely ruled by our subconscious. Habits of self-talk, narration, being cognitively in control (sloganizing everything) arise from that for a reason. You can't just say "it's not real." But, it's handy to see how not real it really is. It can help with the work that needs to be done too.
The bit on the nature of the self: Most of us have (1) experiences and also (2) thoughts about that experience. We tend to think of the thoughts as 'I' or 'me', and different to the 'experiences'. In other words, there appears to be a thinker who I call 'I'. But actually those thoughts are a form of (transient) experience too. So there is no self, just a flow of experience. Is this interpretation correct?
@20:15 (some kind of automaticity claiming your attention every moment) Elsewhere he calls it "being kidnapped by the world's most boring person on earth, forced to listen to them from the moment you wake up until you helplessly fall asleep."
I have not taken Psychadelics yet (other than mdma which is an empathogen, and quite different to lsd and psilocybin I am told), but I would not pour such scorn on them as Ryan did, without trying them myself, and even then one has to recognise everyones experience might be different. Some people I know who have tripped reported enormous shifts in perspective. Others said it was merely quite unpleasant.
Could it be that western cultures co-opted any benefit of spirituality in the name of political power (including organized religion) , because meditation, which is a completely self-relied mechanism of improvement and enlightenment would've been seen as a threat to them?
It feels like Ryan never misses an opportunity to cast aspersions at the IDW crew and to invite his guest to do the same. Is that embodiment of wisdom, justice, courage, or temperance?
There is a thought that arises… if you have not personally experienced you may have an opinion but it is from a position of ignorance to some elements that will broaden the spectrum of knowledge with which to have a more substantive discusion.
'Mr Harris effectively endorsed media consent manufacturing, so long as it was done to stop an adequately dangerous threat. That is not congruent with the ideals of democracy. If liberals want to protect democracy, they must be willing to live with its results, good or bad'.
Read lot of Jiddu Krishnamurti's book about how to understand yourself & seems like Sam's way is more realistic. My experience is to understand what Jiddu krishnamurti is offering requires lot of understanding about how do we make ourself identified in the world & how our identification contributes to all of our egos. My journey to understand Jiddu Krishnamurti or Sam harris or Budhaism or Upnishads or Vedanta that provides lot of different ideas on what is life & how different philosophies interpret it. Understanding all perception really helped me to understand why people could not agreed to one single truth about life. Eventually, I can say Life is very beautiful, very simple & easy to enjoy all you need is to just understand the very basic of your identity. Once you realize that your identity is just a illusion of your thoughts that you gathered with your life experiences. Also, Read as many as book you can on these topics. Believe in first go you won't understand but if you stick to it then you will understand the basic of our identity then you will only lough for all your past action & your future planning... Thanks Sam & Ryan for having this podcast....
Someone who hasn't done psychedelics playing them down and thinking that they know what it's like to do psychedelics is hard to listen to. Language really fails to describe the experience imo. They're not for everyone and should be done respectfully but guessing what it's like really doesn't get you anywhere near there
Always get a good chuckle when someone says how they know exactly where psychedelics are at without ever having taken them. Tell me again after you've taken 5 dried grams of mushrooms!
There is no option than meditation for inner inquiry …one may call it whatever they want …there is no overlap…Read history for last five thousand years of eastern tradition
People are always talking about meditation and psychedelic experience as though they were the same thing or produced roughly the same outcomes. They are entirely two very different things. And anyone , even a life-long meditator, who has never had a boundary-dissolving psychedelic experience (and there are several kinds) should not presume to talk about it as though it were akin to the boundary-dissolving experience(s) that deep meditation can produce.
I’m both a serious meditator (as goofy as it sounds to say that about oneself) and a past psychonaut. There are a lot of similarities. You realize there is more to experience in the mind than you had presumed, you can experience ego dissolution and oneness with others, you apprehend experience more directly and intensely, you can plumb the depths of the subconscious including confronting and healing trauma. Analogies inevitably fall short but I’d say it’s as if a land dwelling being never believed the ocean existed. Meditation is like learning to swim, snorkel and scuba. Psychedelics are like being taken on a ride in a submarine. Of course there are differences but they illuminate a lot of the same territory.
I feel like Sam was getting a little annoyed (or maybe I'm just projecting) by your every response being "but the stoics said..." Like when you try to correct Sam about what "the work" is, as if to entirely dismiss meditation or psychedelic experiences (without having ever even tried them.) I know stoicism is your whole angle, but Sam is just explaining the merits of things you don't understand. The fact that your philosophers of choice had little to say about such things means you should probably just listen, instead of trying to twist the conversation to be about your specific niche (or worse, try to trump insights with yours.)
Sam is my favorite atheist speaker, if he's really persuing truth like the Stoics i'm 100% convinced that he will eventually accept Islam at some point of his journey of searching laboriously for the truth 🥰😍😘💋❤🖤
Yeah he doesn't give it away for free. I've tried as I can't afford it and I didn't get any response when I emailed Sam Harris. It's b*******. Although I do Love Sam Harris and his teachings. He is not altruistic. He is for profit.
I had no problem getting it for free. Then later I paid, I think it was, half of what he normally charges. You may need to make sure there wasn’t a tech glitch or operator error vs. calling it bull.
Dear Jesus I pray for Sam Harris that he will come to experience you because he is missing out on knowing you and being known completely by You. I pray that you will humble him through circumstances and events to such a point that like the King in the bible that he ends up eating grass and going mad if that’s is what is needed for him to know You Lord. Jesus you died for his soul and are the lover of his soul so I pray you do whatever it takes for his salvation. I pray that Sam will be blessed in Jesus name Amen.
@@birdviewer3429 yes until you realise everything you have is God given even their faculties. If you think you have reason or intelligence out of your own doing then it’s the same as a good looking person thinking they got beautiful due to their own efforts or a sports star with above average talent thinking it’s due to their own efforts. When life suddenly shows you otherwise you catch a wake up. Why is an atheist even trying to be a good person , you going to die hopeless and rot in the ground so no point in even been moral or good just be selfish for you only get a few years on this planet and any suffering you have is pointless and for no reason. It’s a hopeless belief system atheism. And it takes belief to be an atheist because good and bad is stolen concepts from religion. Also to believe in science is belief because as soon as a new scientific fact comes out it disproves what you took as fact ! So ultimately you believing in a non truth until then
Oh Dear Lord ! Jesus is not about being a Hater? Disgusting ! Thinking about harming another person because you don’t get what another Person is saying!”! Remember that sayingL”Love thy never neighbour as thyself“ Or turn the other Cheek” Who are you”? Conan the Barbarian??”
I’m a paying subscriber to Waking Up for a couple years.
I absolutely am OK paying the subscription fee knowing that others can access without paying.
People I’ve shared what I’ve learned about mindfulness as a meditation practice a good deal from Sam, told me that sounds like what they were learning from Stoic philosophy.
These two are having a great conversation about the relationship between those two philosophies.
thank you!
Sam is the modern guru , even though i know he wouldn't be liked to be called that way , he saved thousands of lives.
Ryan Holiday and Sam Harris look at things issue by issue rather than by only partisan lines. What a healthy approach to life! Thank you both!!
Thank you very much! Sam absolutely understands the most nuanced thought patterns and has the gift of being able to calmly verbalize it.❤ Thank you thank you thank you!!!!
And thank you Sam for the scholarship. During difficult times, I can’t even tell you how much your wisdom helped me.
I have experienced psychedelics in my younger days and had what we might have felt were philosophical discussions at the time but I’m not sure if I can say that I learned from them. I can see how the experience could potentially be used to look at the world from a philosophical standpoint if you were guided through it and had a controlled situation but it was wilder and more complex than that. Spending time contemplating when straight and in a comfortable environment has been more productive for me in those terms.
I think it depend on the person. Everyone walks around narrating their experience to themselves (and their past, their future, expectations, etc.). But some do it more as a coping mechanism, compensatory for repressed trauma, anger, shame. They're the ones who have difficulty stepping out of the narrating mind (observing it rather than identifying/engaging with it). They'll approach mindfulness as something to describe, define, explain to themselves (be in control of). It becomes a new narrative. They can benefit from a loss of control.
Sam Harris is very patient and kind - especially during this interview.
you can tell sam isn't fully on board with the questionnaires disposition
Sam Harris was my first introduction to Marcus Aurelius, and eventually I ended up here, deep into Stoicism, a few years ago. Absolutely delightful to come full circle and see him here.
Thanks for a great conversation! Nice to hear a calm exchange of ideas. I'll be back
I gotta say, i thought i knew what spiritual teachers were talking about before i had an ego death on psychedelics but after that, i realized i had no concept of what the fuck they were talking about. I wouldn’t have leaped that gap without it. Its the difference between conceptual spirituality and experiential spirituality
Gratitude- thank you gentlemen
Isn't this an old podcast episode? It would be appreciated if you added the date o its original release. Or perhaps Im wrong?
As a sober person who cannot take psychedelics, I am glad to hear someone say these radical experiences can be attained without taking them. But I also understand they are more accessible and powerful with them.
Great discussion between a neophyte and a master.
There are multiple facets of “the work.” There’s mining the insights through psychedelic practices, understanding the insights through reflective practices, and there’s embodying the insights through mindfulness. It is useful to remember that it’s not a single phased process.
Ok, so as to understand what you mean by mining.. would be the insights, ahaa moments - where you have almost like an epiphany, or to have deep conversations with others while in an altered state of mind?
@@flowstateofmind82 yes. More desirable results require more effective behaviors. More effective behaviors require deeper levels of understanding. Deeper levels of understanding require the insights and experiences that shift your perspective.
Psychedelic experiences, meditation, fasting, intense exercise, problem solving all lead to insights or epiphanies. Then we need to process the epiphanies to find the deeper level of understanding. That understanding can then become action, the embodiment of the new understanding.
@@chrisrubio8212 currently working on the better actions. Fasting, intense exercise, reading currently - The 5am Club by: Robin Sharma.. very good.. highly recommended if you have not read it. I will be following you due to your knowledge and understanding of this beautiful journey we are all on. I believe we are on the right path in other words learning and knowing the Self and the world we are participating in. Question.. do you believe we can tap into the Akashic Record at will? Or is it that we are open to our spirit guides helping us along the way?
@@chrisrubio8212 did you see my second question to you? About.. are we accessing the Akashic record or is it our Spiritual guides that provide us guidance...? It isn't displaying in the comments section for me. 🤔
Awesome! Met Sam in NYC - book release for Waking Up. I’m a huge fan!
I wish Sam was the president. At least he is honest, not 2 mention has a clear understanding of whats actualy going on in the world.
Sam is a National treasure 4 sure.....
Enlightenment is the embodiment of your conscience. Your conscience is the voice that invites you to be your most courageous, most authentic, most excellent self. It’s also known as ecstasis, the flow state or the zone. It is experienced when your conscience flows through every decision and action with zero latency in the system, and without regard to ego or self-doubt. Enlightenment is often fleeting. The more time you can spend in that zone, the more meaningful the experience of your life. It requires focus. Meditation is a key practice for maximizing focus and enlightenment.
condescension is very common among the self enlightened. keep learning
Sam confuses me. On the one hand, he says that it's a mistake to identify yourself with your thoughts and to fail to recognize that thoughts are separate things that "arise" in consciousness and that can be "viewed" objectively.
And yet on the other hand, he claims that the subject/object distinction between ourself and our thoughts is illusory. And that there is no thinker in addition to the thoughts. That the goal of meditation is "non-duality."
So are we identical to our thoughts? Or are we a separate entity watching them arise in consciousness?
I had to think about this, but I think I understand the disconnect between your question and Sam's perspective. Thoughts are seperate in the sense that they are not under our control as 'thinkers' they simple come. The point of mindfulness is to pay attention to this as an experience, and to view its qualities. And though we experience this from a certain point of view, the reality is that even this is a consequence of consciousness being an amalgam of experience both internal and external.
Identification with thought typical means not realizing the extent to which we narrate, self-talk, explain our experience to ourselves (constantly, empirically). It's a habit. We can go through life thinking that's real, but they don't add anything to what's actually happening. They just make us feel good that we know what's going on (even if it's highly confabulated, reflexive, rehearsed, based upon past experiences & their narration, and subsequent re-narration, leading to expectations which are premeditated resentments, and so on, and so on). It's the "so on, and so on" which is the problem. We don't see it.
Your thoughts are real, they are yours. But, they aren't you. You don't depend upon thinking to exist. I don't depend upon an explanation of the car door I just heard shut in the distance for that to have happened, or for me to have heard it. When you sleep & dream, you're having a private experience that's completely disconnected from reality. I had one recently where I was in an elevator, and when it reached the ground floor it rotated onto its side and began carrying me on a highway like a car. Not ONCE did I say "ok, this isn't real." I went along with it like it was supposed to be real. Our waking life shares a lot of that. And, there are periods of sleep where nothing happens (deep sleep, no dreaming). You still exist without that. There was just nothing to narrate, identify with, engage with.
I think it's like that. Practice mindfulness meditation and you can see it for yourself. Then it turns into "well, we have think. I have to make a shopping list, and know when the bus arrives. I can't just float around in an altered state" That's true. But, we do A LOT of unnecessary thinking that's more in the habit mode, doesn't add anything, distracts us from what is. It's about knowing the difference.
Thank you!
Great podcast
We need some stoicism on the waking up app! 💚🤘🏼😁
There is an entire series by WIlliam Irvine called the Stoic Path on the app already!
We need more Sam Harris on the Daily Stoic podcast, even
And this is a repost not a new one.. Sam mentioned on it he deleted his Twitter a month ago so, we definitely need more Sam Harris on the Daily Stoic podcast even more ❤
We already have some!
There is
I get somewhat frustrated at how dense Ryan can be regarding his skepticism around psychedelics. It's very simple. Some people just need to see/experience something (i.e. "enlightenment") firsthand before they can appreciate the value in it. Stoicism is great once you're immersed in it, but I think there are a lot of people that need to go through some type of experience before they are ready to fully engage with it. It isn't a replacement for "doing the work", it is a sneak preview at what experience can be like if the work is truly put in.
Acceptance and commitment therapy combined with stoicism is probably the best way to combine mindfulness and stoicism. Donald Robertson has done a good job of combining the two. He wrote a book called build your resilience that covers this.
@28:00 ("The work...."). There's a point where the mind overdoes it, it needs "work." Ultimately the only thing that's real is this present moment, everything else is a story we tell ourselves about the past/future. That story is largely a matter of habit. For me: psychedelics made that real. I couldn't have realized it otherwise. it would've been a slogan that I would've cognitively said "yeah, I get it." Experiencing it is something else. Once you see it, you can't unsee it.
There's definitely a need to do the work (understand how your mind works, observe it). We're largely ruled by our subconscious. Habits of self-talk, narration, being cognitively in control (sloganizing everything) arise from that for a reason. You can't just say "it's not real." But, it's handy to see how not real it really is. It can help with the work that needs to be done too.
The bit on the nature of the self: Most of us have (1) experiences and also (2) thoughts about that experience. We tend to think of the thoughts as 'I' or 'me', and different to the 'experiences'. In other words, there appears to be a thinker who I call 'I'. But actually those thoughts are a form of (transient) experience too. So there is no self, just a flow of experience.
Is this interpretation correct?
wait i feel like ive seen this episode before, why is it being reuploaded?
Wow this was recorded a year ago...why so long to post ?
this is a repost I think
Dead channel fishing for clicks
Isn't this a replay of the podcast from a year ago?
It is a replay, when talking about Twitter, Sam says that he deleted his account a month ago, while it's been a long time since he did that.
@20:15 (some kind of automaticity claiming your attention every moment) Elsewhere he calls it "being kidnapped by the world's most boring person on earth, forced to listen to them from the moment you wake up until you helplessly fall asleep."
My old friend Soryu Foral, a Zen monk, says you can measure one's enlightenment by how good of a friend they are.
I have not taken Psychadelics yet (other than mdma which is an empathogen, and quite different to lsd and psilocybin I am told), but I would not pour such scorn on them as Ryan did, without trying them myself, and even then one has to recognise everyones experience might be different. Some people I know who have tripped reported enormous shifts in perspective. Others said it was merely quite unpleasant.
Sam Lumbergh 5:23, 13:57, 17:50, 23:32, 28:39, 31:06, 37:26, 43:24, 45:44, 57:09
Lol you made Sam Harris chuckle with that simulation line
Sam Harris is one of the smartest, sanest, most ethical people in the publuc sphere.
Have him back! ❤
Isn't this an old podcast??
Yeah
Yes. Such bad practice to try to pass off old podcast as new.
What Ryan doesn’t realise is that elements of those peak experiences can be applied to the present moment with greater awareness
5:40 , 33:27 , 34:53
Sam Harris for president!
Could it be that western cultures co-opted any benefit of spirituality in the name of political power (including organized religion) , because meditation, which is a completely self-relied mechanism of improvement and enlightenment would've been seen as a threat to them?
It feels like Ryan never misses an opportunity to cast aspersions at the IDW crew and to invite his guest to do the same. Is that embodiment of wisdom, justice, courage, or temperance?
There is a thought that arises… if you have not personally experienced you may have an opinion but it is from a position of ignorance to some elements that will broaden the spectrum of knowledge with which to have a more substantive discusion.
Whatever it takes, almost, is worth repeating
23:50
'Mr Harris effectively endorsed media consent manufacturing, so long as it was done to stop an adequately dangerous threat. That is not congruent with the ideals of democracy. If liberals want to protect democracy, they must be willing to live with its results, good or bad'.
Read lot of Jiddu Krishnamurti's book about how to understand yourself & seems like Sam's way is more realistic. My experience is to understand what Jiddu krishnamurti is offering requires lot of understanding about how do we make ourself identified in the world & how our identification contributes to all of our egos. My journey to understand Jiddu Krishnamurti or Sam harris or Budhaism or Upnishads or Vedanta that provides lot of different ideas on what is life & how different philosophies interpret it. Understanding all perception really helped me to understand why people could not agreed to one single truth about life. Eventually, I can say Life is very beautiful, very simple & easy to enjoy all you need is to just understand the very basic of your identity. Once you realize that your identity is just a illusion of your thoughts that you gathered with your life experiences. Also, Read as many as book you can on these topics. Believe in first go you won't understand but if you stick to it then you will understand the basic of our identity then you will only lough for all your past action & your future planning... Thanks Sam & Ryan for having this podcast....
Someone who hasn't done psychedelics playing them down and thinking that they know what it's like to do psychedelics is hard to listen to. Language really fails to describe the experience imo. They're not for everyone and should be done respectfully but guessing what it's like really doesn't get you anywhere near there
Always get a good chuckle when someone says how they know exactly where psychedelics are at without ever having taken them. Tell me again after you've taken 5 dried grams of mushrooms!
Ryan. Please name some names of the intellectual dark web that you are referring to. And where you think they are wrong.
❤
I dare you to have on Byung-Chul Han
I dare you to keep kids off of drugs
Clear Ryan doesn’t understand mindfulness to his fullness. He should ask sam for some mushrooms.
There is no option than meditation for inner inquiry …one may call it whatever they want …there is no overlap…Read history for last five thousand years of eastern tradition
36:28 man that pause was painful
People are always talking about meditation and psychedelic experience as though they were the same thing or produced roughly the same outcomes. They are entirely two very different things. And anyone , even a life-long meditator,
who has never had a boundary-dissolving psychedelic experience (and there are several kinds) should not presume to talk about it as though it were akin to the boundary-dissolving experience(s) that deep meditation can produce.
I’m both a serious meditator (as goofy as it sounds to say that about oneself) and a past psychonaut. There are a lot of similarities. You realize there is more to experience in the mind than you had presumed, you can experience ego dissolution and oneness with others, you apprehend experience more directly and intensely, you can plumb the depths of the subconscious including confronting and healing trauma.
Analogies inevitably fall short but I’d say it’s as if a land dwelling being never believed the ocean existed. Meditation is like learning to swim, snorkel and scuba. Psychedelics are like being taken on a ride in a submarine. Of course there are differences but they illuminate a lot of the same territory.
Sam Harris? How many boosters?? 😂😂😂
Psychedelics pedestrian 😂 . That’s the definition of naïveté
I feel like Sam was getting a little annoyed (or maybe I'm just projecting) by your every response being "but the stoics said..." Like when you try to correct Sam about what "the work" is, as if to entirely dismiss meditation or psychedelic experiences (without having ever even tried them.)
I know stoicism is your whole angle, but Sam is just explaining the merits of things you don't understand. The fact that your philosophers of choice had little to say about such things means you should probably just listen, instead of trying to twist the conversation to be about your specific niche (or worse, try to trump insights with yours.)
Sam has 10 friends? 😊
As usual, Sam gets to the foundation. Unfortunately, the host gets mired in judgment and opinion of things he's never experienced.
This is a repost.
Sam is my favorite atheist speaker, if he's really persuing truth like the Stoics i'm 100% convinced that he will eventually accept Islam at some point of his journey of searching laboriously for the truth 🥰😍😘💋❤🖤
Timestamps without the child speaking would have this much more productive, palatable and enjoyable.
You're both very intelligent and wise. I look up to you both. But why aren't either of you vegan? Would love to hear your thoughts on the matter.
Ridiculous and Cringe. You are why people hate vegans so much.
Ok I'm ready for this hopefully it won't get too political or go on liberal rants but we shall see!!
The fact that Ryan hasn’t taken part of any type of psychedelic really bums me out. Take it to the next level man. It’s pretty ridiculous
Has the irony of being bummed out by something out of your control in a conversation between advocates of stoicism and meditation hit you yet?
He lost credibility to be so afraid and blocked to the idea of trying it. Seems the ego is too strong and doesn’t want to be challenged.
@@yksderson right?! And yet he says he struggles with letting go of ego. It’s a no brainer. He’s just too square if a dude I think
@@thomasbiom ha! Good one
Try psychedelics man…
Who in the hell calls the psychedelic experience "the work"??
Shut up.
Hmmmm... Sorry to say this but this sound like a lot of Jim Carrey I'm a guru bull sh*t to me.
Can Sam quickly wake up from the grieving loss of a loved one? I don’t think so. He seems sort of angry all the time
Yeah he doesn't give it away for free. I've tried as I can't afford it and I didn't get any response when I emailed Sam Harris. It's b*******. Although I do Love Sam Harris and his teachings. He is not altruistic. He is for profit.
I've been using it for free for years
I had no problem getting it for free. Then later I paid, I think it was, half of what he normally charges. You may need to make sure there wasn’t a tech glitch or operator error vs. calling it bull.
Money power respect baby!
Dear Jesus I pray for Sam Harris that he will come to experience you because he is missing out on knowing you and being known completely by You. I pray that you will humble him through circumstances and events to such a point that like the King in the bible that he ends up eating grass and going mad if that’s is what is needed for him to know You Lord. Jesus you died for his soul and are the lover of his soul so I pray you do whatever it takes for his salvation. I pray that Sam will be blessed in Jesus name Amen.
You missed the whole point of this discussion. May Jesus save your lost soul, and your lost mind. God bless you!
Keep your hatred and bigotry to yourself and the temple. Adults are busy progressing the human condition silly child.
…and this is why people are turning to reason.
@@birdviewer3429 yes until you realise everything you have is God given even their faculties. If you think you have reason or intelligence out of your own doing then it’s the same as a good looking person thinking they got beautiful due to their own efforts or a sports star with above average talent thinking it’s due to their own efforts. When life suddenly shows you otherwise you catch a wake up. Why is an atheist even trying to be a good person , you going to die hopeless and rot in the ground so no point in even been moral or good just be selfish for you only get a few years on this planet and any suffering you have is pointless and for no reason. It’s a hopeless belief system atheism. And it takes belief to be an atheist because good and bad is stolen concepts from religion. Also to believe in science is belief because as soon as a new scientific fact comes out it disproves what you took as fact ! So ultimately you believing in a non truth until then
Oh Dear Lord ! Jesus is not about being a Hater? Disgusting ! Thinking about harming another person because you don’t get what another Person is saying!”! Remember that sayingL”Love thy never neighbour as thyself“ Or turn the other Cheek” Who are you”?
Conan the Barbarian??”
Harris stoicism 😂
Sam Harris only combines vitriol and self righteousness. Pass
He's only stoic until you tell him Trump will be a good president.
Sam Harris is a waste of time.
22:45 is the craziest thing I've ever heard 🤭