Perfect example of this was when Tru3talent was singing to high heavens that Og raider in the first year or two of For honor was the absolute worst, and the reddit bullied him relentlessly. He was right. for a very long time lmfao. People just don't see reason.
@@Regenerd I mean a lot of the people saying Spirit was better were using arguments that aren't even true. A lot of them were trying to say she's still guaranteed a hit at loops but she just isn't, it's often a 50/50 since they added the directional audio. It feels like a lot of people who said she's better were comparing pre-nerf Spirit that was near as good as Blight to Dracula instead of current nerfed Spirit.
My guess is that Spirit might feel worse to play against due to accessibility issues/general 50/50-ness of her, and that makes people FEEL like she is stronger because THEY have a harder time playing against her even if Dracula is numerically/overall stronger.
That’s exactly it. She’s a huge accessibility issue. If spirit was visible like the bats are and she had a lullaby that let you know she was near and she had slowdown after leaving phase I’d definitely side with the “Dracula is better” side.
I feel like this game will never surpass it's accessibility issues because of the nature of this game. Spirit is suppose to be invisible, only to be track by hearing, which is already a major design choice that they can't change for people with accessibility issues.
I think people are remembering how Spirit was Pre-nerf with Pre-Nerf MDR, and they have crippling PTSD to the point where if anybody mentions a killer might be stronger than Spirit, they start having flashbacks and are pulled out of reality. Maybe that's where the whole "Spirit guarantees a hit every time she phases" thing is coming from too.
Yeah I've seen some of that floating around and I kinda turned my head like a confused golden retriever because all those spirits I won 50/50s against were, apparently, just bad. I hate that argument in DBD. "Killer guarantee result, or you bad" There are so many factors in this game that can affect performance, but people love to say stuff like "spirit guarantees hits when she phases" as if it's a literal immutable law of nature like gravity or the molecular composition of water.
Honestly Spirit hasn’t been this top 3 dominant killer for a while now. Without even brining in her nerfs survivors just naturally getting better has hurt her a lot. She’s a lot closer to killers like Chucky, Artist, Oni, Dracula than Nurse, Blight, and Billy.
yeah real. same with people's opinions on SM. the absolute chokehold she had on the game for months has soured majority of everyone's feelings towards her. even with her major nerfs i still get a chill down my spine and want to go next LOL
@@ratboygirl Yeah, I think the PTSD from chess merchant games will cause her to be reviled no matter what for years, despite the fact that she is absolute dog now.
Spirit is a mid tier killer in comp, I don't care what actual comp players say I just pulling out the results of matches I watched, and her best at average is 2k with 6-7 stages. Her whole game plan is camp basement and tunnel out first one, yes she is good at it. But overall phasing is very counterable by exp survs with audio, and she is 4.4, and still can't do with God loops, while blight or Billy can, they are just too fast. Spirit was S, but now she is mid A, most overrated killer
What I like to do is play only vampire/bat mode and then when I hook everyone twice I go somewhere out of sight, transform to wolf and pretend I chased the bad guy away.
Nah it’s going “she goes invisible and only gives off an audio queue to know where she is so you have to have a good set and you can’t be hard at hearing to actually counter her. Whereas bat form is visible AND gives off a lullaby so you know if it’s near via the visual heartbeat indicator”
@@CreatorProductionsOriginal Yeah, are they forgetting that Dracula has other tools too. Sure, sprit's phase walking on its own is better than Dracula with a bat form, but phase walking is the only thing spirit has. When spirit runs out of sphase walk and has to wait for the cooldown Dracula still has fire and wolf form and is 115% killer instead of 110% like spirit.
It definitely does take a bit for people to realize how good new characters are. Look at blight as an example. It took probably atleast 6 months before people realized how insane blight was. Everyone thought he was mid tier until they found out about hug techs and the camer POV fixed and people played him more
And sometimes they never even realize it because they don't play killer themselves or they do but at a mediocre level. There's still people downplaying Chucky and Twins, for example.
in defense of the player that said that blight was bad at the start its only because of the FoV and most of them said that if the FoV was fix then that killer would be a monster. Kinda hard to rush with no vision
Blight needed oven time to learn the tech and strategies, since he relies a lot on the map. Especially since they got rid of hug slides! Figuring out what's "butter" and what you can bounce off of, plus the angles, took work from his fans. But now that info's out, he's climbing the ranks because people are using it.
@@Untiligetfree I did not play him until they fixed that issue lol. I don't care how powerful he was, it felt awful to zoom around with the POV of an ankle biting chihuahua.
The fact that nobody runs iron will anymore implies spirit is nowhere near as scary as her peak where at least half the lobby had iron will, they just have negative nostalgia
The debate for Chucky vs spirit still goes on to this day and honestly my response is just "well it's really close to the point I don't see what we gain from making a definitive claim" this seems similar
It’s like people saying spirit is just better at dropped pallets last video when Dracula forces you to stay at them and consistently pressures hits in various scenarios bc he can fly over them while Spirit generally has to either 50/50 it or break for more distance
4:16 is the biggest problem with Dracula tbh, the Rebecca couldnt do literally anything there... if she didnt move, he would block pallet, if she moved earlier, he would just use power... the linger of his power is bs and needs to be removed
I feel the linger is fine. It's somewhat shortish. And if you know the timing of it you can just wait out a little. Tho sometimes there's no shame in just taking the down. Besides they nerfed the cool down of hellfire. And buffed the wolf form. So most people will just stay like that in loops
@@ohenthevoidwatcher3939 id rather if his cd was as it was, but the linger was nerfed tbh... he doesnt need area denial in his kit, already has plenty of stuff to work with, but maybe im the only one to think that
I think you're absolutely right scott - the problem is many people once they have formed a belief they will dig down to defend that belief come hell or high water. While the really tired line of "facts don't care about your feelings" gets bandied about a lot, when it comes to stuff like this its often a case of peoples feelings don't care about the facts.
It’s less like Houndmaster’s dog, and more a mix between Demo’s shred and Wesker’s bound. The attack itself functions similar to Demo, but the way you charge it before use and the fact you get a second one shortly after the first is similar to Wesker. The dog can attack twice too, yes, but the dog can’t take health states on its own and the second attack is optional where wolf form’s is mandatory.
It's hard to make players realise how strong a new killer is. I've been playing Dracula a lot and I can confidentely say he's super strong, above Spirit for sure. Even after the latest patch, he's still really good, the cd reduction for shapeshifting didn't really do much except punishing the people who spam it. the 3s to Hellfire is noticeable, but to be fair, when that's on cooldown, just switch to wolf and you'll not even notice it.
I just don’t understand how you can even remotely compare the two. Blight and Nurse have pretty similar powers so that’s fair but nobody is directly comparing Plague and Oni even though they’re arguably the same tier. Is it simply because of Bat form? If you’re claiming that Dracula’s bat form alone is just as good as Spirit’s and that it’s very difficult to counter like you were saying on Twitter then I think your survivors are refusing to interact with a Killer’s power or playing with their eyes closed lmao. Maybe people are disagreeing with you because you’re approaching the argument wrong.
I think Dracula is a little bit better, but honestly I'm just a bit sad that the killer meta in this game has gotten so stale that there isn't anything more interesting to talk about than something as minor as this. Here's to another 5 years of Nurse and Blight.
I disagree with the point around 1:30 It's not like Dracula has some radically new playstyle that people never played before in this game unlike say the singularity. It won't take that long for an experienced player to get very good with him. It's just a readjustment to how some existing tools behave and then learning to use them together efficiently.
It just makes sense, bat form is in the ballpark of spirits power, and he has a whole extra set of kit and traversal options on top of it. Ok bat form is significantly worse, but everything else is stuff spirit simply can't do. Hes much more versatile at a low cost.
I'd agree with this opinion. I'll also say I personally enjoy going against Spirit more than Dracula. I'm not top tier by any means, but I have my most fun chases on average against Spirit, Blight, and Nurse... I will say however when they show up at my MMR I just accept the match is most likely a loss unless its a baby that doesn't know what they're doing. So the game shifts from trying to escape to just trying to have a fun chase with the killer who I know will drop me but getting practice juking and looping is my goal with those matches. While when I go against Dracula I still don't fully know a good way to win chases and he's so inconsistently picked in my matches I don't really get much practice so he's just frustration.
I agreed with you completely without even knowing your stance... but you've activated my close-minded devil's advocate and I now think dracula is no where near as good as spirit. I refuse to elaborate as devil's advocate as it isnt my job to advocate the thoughts of the devil
I definitely escape more games against dracula than spirit. I think the whole part where you cannot see her makes her more tricky to play around, even with the audio queue. But I will say the draculas definitely get more hooks in my games.
Spirit can / is only better cause she's fully invisible and her tell requires a headset, a thing a shocking amount of players don't have. Outside of that it comes down to addon issues as per always and then further breaks down whether it's just familiarity vs Spirit and familiarity vs Dracula, etc. It's really just not a worthwhile discussion cause the big elephant in the room is perks and what is genuinely good for slowing down the game so you can get an early kill and steamroll from there. I haven't even played since Unknown despite loving Castlevania almost entirely due to naps and perk balance and I'm glad I did cause i get to play Deadlock and Marvel Rivals now which are just not as toxic nor infuriating as DBD was for me, I just think it's funny a lot of these same discussions are still happening even with new killers being added that have like 4 powers in 1 kit. Edit: Added a can to show my true thought process. Regardless of what killer is added Spirit will consistently be stronger just cause of her invisibility aspect which can really be beat by good audio on the game's side vs Spirit's audio and that isn't an issue they've ever fixed. Looking at comments I'm not even shocked that Spirit's audio is currently bugged as DBD's audio has been in an endless state of bugged since i started playing in like 2017.
I dont see how people can say drac isn't better then spirit . He literally has spirits power plus . Drac has different ways to deal with loops . Spirit is nothing but a 110 killer without her power up .
If you haven’t learned all that Dracula has to offer by now then you must not be playing him very often or your brain just isn’t functioning. This is not a blight, billy or nurse where you need to have perfect blinks and master curves and it’s definitely not something you need high skill to play. Gameplay knowledge is a must though. Overall it’s a hard choice to say whose better because of spirits slight mind games with passive phasing and even the sound from her phasing can be hard to pin point in some places
Not a discussion on the overall point: But the "As he's played more, people improve at him and people get better against him, these should cancel out." That's an opinion I'm pretty sure (citations needed) you have referred to on multiple occasions. But I don't think this is even reliable enough to even mention. Largely basing this off of win rate discussions from MOBA characters but I think in general it applies to any occasion of a newly released character and it's overall win rate with time I'd not be surprised if there are stats that prove me wrong but I believe I have seen stats supporting this previously.
I don't understand the disagreement either. I main Drac and he's an absolute monster. Bat was, is, and will probably always be his best form. Even without the broken addons you can use range/speed addons with Bat to be on top of someone from across the map within 7 seconds of the game starting thanks to Lethal Pursuer. And for general chase Bat is still amazing too.
See, I agree with you however I would rather than take the path of reworking spirits kit rather than just nerfing dracula to the ground. I really feel like a killer that's power solely depends on an accessibility issue¹ should not exist in dbd in this modern era. I'd like them to take this opportunity to maybe rework her kit to something more modern and not sound focused
That's the whole point of the spirit tho and if you rework her then you need to rework all the killers who heavily punish people with poor eyesight like hag, trapper or dredge. Not to mention that dracula absolutely does need nerfs and that has nothing to do with spirit
@@liabilitylinda3501 Agreed, bat form shouldn't be as powerful as it is with how easy it is to use. The way I'd say how to do it is it might suck to play with but given it's supposed to be a map traversal tool, give him slowdown coming out of bat-form for more than one second and where he can't swing out of it after one second. I'd say probably 4 or 5 seconds could be either too much or maybe just right so we'd need to test it ofc.
@MamaBearKS i agree with you, that's what i assumed it was gonna be when he was released and I can't believe that instead they turned it into his version of phasing
You're right that the killer is recent and so people haven't even mastered the killer yet. But that also applies to survivors. They haven't mastered the countering
I’m a Spirit main, absolutely love the killer and I would also absolutely agree that Dracula is stronger than her, and like Scott said it’s only by a placement like their both top 5-8 killers in the game, and as well I’m glad he’s stronger cuz Spirit has gotten nerfed a lot as well as constantly dealing with patches just ruining her audio and making her unplayable she had her best add ons gutted she had all of her good green add ons but 1 changed completely and are now basically useless like she’s a killer that has gotten the shortest end of the stick imaginable. I just kinda hope this will someday end up with a Spirit buff not cuz she needs it cuz she certainly doesn’t I just am greedy lol
I've never suffered from this issue, since I've always believed that Spirit was overrated as fuck. Sure, she got a bit stronger with the Spine Chill execution, but they immediately overcorrected with the directional audio bullshit. Seriously, I used to LOVE playing against Spirit, but she's just too easy to deal with now.
Honestly i know im a person who believes arguably spirit is better but i also know that dracula is basically right on her level and can even go above her. I know a lot of peoples takes of her being better is because its solo queue with bad survivors where a lot of the times if you encounter a dracula, they are probably still learning, but overall with the millions of nerfs spirit got, she is essentially a husk (no pun intended) of what she was.
My opinion has changed because before I thought we were just comparing bat form to spirit, but if we take everything into consideration Dracula is much stronger than spirit due to the fact he has three killer powers.
I think what we’re seeing is the fact that for most part Tier lists don’t accurately represent power, especially in DBD, the game has too many variables between matches and maps r the deciding factor of the win more then the killer, eventually DBD is going to reach a point where the variety of matches actually makes everyone lose the ability to come to an agreement on balance, it’s been slowly happening for awhile, and it’s not a problem u can stop cuz the game needs more variety
I don't really agree with your conclusion that it proved Dracula was better. Not only was it the fact that as the players got better Spirit began doing significantly better, but most of the times when this was not the case it was due to some sort of massive fumble, like when the spirit decided to protect Three generators with little progress on them in a fairly distant proximity to each other, letting them get the second to last generator for free, all while failing to commit to anything ever. Similarly you had outlier scenarios like devour hope winning the game dramatically for dracula at which point the killer using it is largely interchangeable. I do like that your stance has progressed a little bit to at least stop saying that Dracula is better at playing Spirit then spirit is regarding phasing and bat form. That was a horrible take. But I find it interesting that we can watch the same head-to-head and draw a completely different conclusion. My general impression is that overall strength they are similar, but spirit is better In the end by a small margin. I can agree she's more add on reliant, but I also think that given the current level dbd is played by by the majority of the player base, add on reliance on a green add on is far from a huge deal in terms of judging it as part of a killer's strength.
scott, people do not look at new information and change their opinions on the internet, they go "i saw this content creator say this once ill now parrot it forever" good luck with convincing!
Dracula is 100% stronger than spirit, however people are so stuck up in the past with pre rework spirit that they feel like a killer being stronger than them bar Nurse, Billy, and Blight is near impossible.
I’ll always say this: Most people that are bad at killer play spirit. Bad killers mainly play spirit because she’s strong and easy to use. She goes invisible, has speed over survivors, etc
Dracula is top 3 in the game, the only reason people don’t realize this is 90% of the people who play him are either bad at the game, him, or both. Once we get a few months down the road and really good players start maximizing efficiency on Dracula people will realize he is unbalanced atm. The difference between Dracula and any other top ten killer (besides Chucky) is that he barely takes an afternoon of practice to be skilled enough to be highly effective with him in most pub matches.
I'm rarely in vampire form, wolf is just better. 3rd person, low and dark profile, tracking/haste orbs, a lovely double lunge with all kinds of playability
My feeling as a long-time DBD player that comes back to play it from time to time is that Spirit feels pretty weak in mid to high and high+ skill brackets. Unless you get quick down or two at the start of the game, its pretty much over. Shes terrible with dealing with pallet/window loops and as long as someone isn't injured, they dont really have to do much imo. I understand that old spirit (pre sound nerf) was insanely OP, but after that change she feels kinda bad. Idc about the tierlist. Also, Im not saying that should be reverted because, well, no. That was super unfair. The change was needed. But I dont think something is still missing to that. Im literally having fun with plenty other killers BUT her, which as a day 1 spirit player... it makes me sad about it :/
She's still strong, if she needs anything it's the bug fixes for the million bugs she has right now and dried cherry blossom being reworked cause it's super cheap and makes her way easier to play while removing the fun aspect of going against her
@@liabilitylinda3501 Tbh Im never using green+ addons on killers. Cant tell why, im too cheap for that maybe lol. And about her being strong, idk really. Some games are absolute stomp, other I am being stomped and thats just feels compeltely random, as this doesnt happen to me on other killers. At least not at that high rate
I do agree with you Scott that Dracula is slightly better than spirit. I see the point you're trying to make. In my honest opinion, I feel like Spirit needs a rework/kit change. Yea she's a strong killer with a strong power but another major reason she's such a strong killer is because of her accessibility issues. In my opinion, that shouldn't be a reason why a killer is strong. My only concern if BHVR were to rework her, is then she goes from an low S tier/high A tier killer to B or even below that because of the rework.
@@Roc_Official Like hearing accessibility. If you are hard of hearing, she is difficult to play as and against which gives her an edge in the match. I know plenty of people who would like to play spirit but they find her hard to play as or they hate going against her because they find it hard to hear where she is coming from. I know that's not entirely the reason why some people hate going against her but I'm talking about in the accessibility area. Of course, this doesn't apply to everyone but that's why I say accessibility issues.
You can't change a simp's mind Scott, it's just not worth the effort. It most likely just comes down to The Sprit being a cute Japanese girl and The Dark Lord being a good looking Central European* dude. Most simps are going to go with the cute girl. *(I'm finding conflicting information on if the Castlevania Dracula is Romanian or Hungarian so "Central European" it is!)
Can somebody explain to me why people don't think spirit is a S-tier killer ? Because for me it is. There's absolutely nothing you can do against a good spirit no matter the loop. Just gotta watch each game of Ayrun spirit win streak. He doesn't miss a single hit and downs survivors at a ridiculous speed. Combined with a good regression build any good spirit player is guaranteed at 99% to win for me. I strongly believe it, for those who think I may be a new players, I have 3k hours and play since 2019. However I mainly play in soloQ. I'm open to debate as long as it's constructive and wholesome thank you :)
dracula is harder to play. you should buy spirit and see if you like her gameplay before buying dracula. Vecna is closer to doctor. so you should play doctor and see if you like him before buying Vecna. Vecna is stronger doctor because Vecna has mobility with same anti-loop with mage hand while having extra powers.
@dodang_9147 okay, buy spirit!?? She's free. Lol, money only characters, brother. Why waste 500 tokens on an earnable character. But alright, Dracula, it is.
@@CallmeSins I am saying spend 9000 iri shard to play spirit to figure out if you want to spend auric cells on the dracula/vecna. if you like spirit and you like doctor. you'll like dracula and vecna as their power very similar. if i was choose, i'd choose dracula between the two. Vecna is pretty good but he kinda relies on you buying another auric DLC which is Alien DLC because Alien's perk. Rapid brutality is really good on Vecna.
Vile Scott is learning what Pixel Bush feels anytime he opens his mouth about anything and skull merchants strongest haters come out to say Nuh Uh, getting told Nuh Uh every time he talks about Dracula VS Spirit
Do people compare bat form to spirit? Or dracula vs spirit? The comment I read just comparing bat form vs spirit, dracula has 3 power no way he’s worse than spirit
I feel like we're getting to the point where new killers are simply iterative of older killers due to the mechanics of the game being limited. If BHVR could afford it, it would make a lot more sense for them to just stop making killers at this point and spend the rest of the game's lifecycle tweaking and balancing the ones they already have. Like if you're the average new player, there's such a vast amount of killers that you'll probably never get proficient at all of them let alone good with all of them.
eh, iron will got reverted back to 100%, sounds are inconsistent as usual and apparently she has quite a few bugs again and im not even a spirit player lol. so idk.
spirit is still better because my opinions from 2019 have not changed because that would be admitting I was wrong at any point in time and I don't like that possibility
Dracula has a thing people underestimate - third person. That's is why Chucky is so good. Also Spirit is harder to play - at least for me, I just can't get good at her.
The general playerbase is pretty slow to change their opinions because they don't understand the game very well. Many people still think Spirit is some S tier killer right under Blight.
I dont think this showcase is good evidence for Dracula being stronger than Spirit. Comparing Knightlight to Ayrun isnt really fair. The best matchup for both skill and balance between players was Zaka vs Xeno, which Spirit won both times (7 stages vs 4 and 4k2 vs 4k1).
I still think Spirit is stronger. The fact she goes invisible and the fact that she’s a huge accessibility problem alone makes her much better. Also I think a huge problem we’re seeing is that for some reason people don’t treat bat form like spirit. Like I see survivors running from me when I’m in bat form and it’s honestly kinda ridiculous. If you see he’s in bat form and you’re not injured you should crouch and play against him just like you’d play against spirit except you can actually see him.
I can't believe it's even contested. He has an ability that goes over walls\pallets, that alone is insane, on top of that, he has Spirits ability. It's take like 1 second to attack out of bat form. He is MUCH stronger than spirit.
scott still failing to realise that the internet is not capable of being convinced pt. 32
Perfect example of this was when Tru3talent was singing to high heavens that Og raider in the first year or two of For honor was the absolute worst, and the reddit bullied him relentlessly. He was right. for a very long time lmfao. People just don't see reason.
Especially in games where the community is mostly stubborn childrens
@@Regenerd Tbh bat form by itself was better than spirit before the nerf that happened recently.
@@Regenerd I mean a lot of the people saying Spirit was better were using arguments that aren't even true. A lot of them were trying to say she's still guaranteed a hit at loops but she just isn't, it's often a 50/50 since they added the directional audio. It feels like a lot of people who said she's better were comparing pre-nerf Spirit that was near as good as Blight to Dracula instead of current nerfed Spirit.
Me debating trumpers too, but it’s too funny not to argue with them
My guess is that Spirit might feel worse to play against due to accessibility issues/general 50/50-ness of her, and that makes people FEEL like she is stronger because THEY have a harder time playing against her even if Dracula is numerically/overall stronger.
That’s exactly it. She’s a huge accessibility issue. If spirit was visible like the bats are and she had a lullaby that let you know she was near and she had slowdown after leaving phase I’d definitely side with the “Dracula is better” side.
this + the long history of spirit being strong
people are so slow to change their opinions about most killers outside of insane changes
@thatfishguy4991 dear god but thats just a straight up huge nerf to spirit making her unplayable, that would make her as bad as freddy lmao
@@thatfishguy4991 I've heard people say that spirit should have Footsteps while phasing like chucky. I think that's a great idea honestly.
I feel like this game will never surpass it's accessibility issues because of the nature of this game. Spirit is suppose to be invisible, only to be track by hearing, which is already a major design choice that they can't change for people with accessibility issues.
I think people are remembering how Spirit was Pre-nerf with Pre-Nerf MDR, and they have crippling PTSD to the point where if anybody mentions a killer might be stronger than Spirit, they start having flashbacks and are pulled out of reality.
Maybe that's where the whole "Spirit guarantees a hit every time she phases" thing is coming from too.
Yeah I've seen some of that floating around and I kinda turned my head like a confused golden retriever because all those spirits I won 50/50s against were, apparently, just bad.
I hate that argument in DBD. "Killer guarantee result, or you bad" There are so many factors in this game that can affect performance, but people love to say stuff like "spirit guarantees hits when she phases" as if it's a literal immutable law of nature like gravity or the molecular composition of water.
Honestly Spirit hasn’t been this top 3 dominant killer for a while now. Without even brining in her nerfs survivors just naturally getting better has hurt her a lot. She’s a lot closer to killers like Chucky, Artist, Oni, Dracula than Nurse, Blight, and Billy.
yeah real. same with people's opinions on SM. the absolute chokehold she had on the game for months has soured majority of everyone's feelings towards her. even with her major nerfs i still get a chill down my spine and want to go next LOL
@@ratboygirl Yeah, I think the PTSD from chess merchant games will cause her to be reviled no matter what for years, despite the fact that she is absolute dog now.
Spirit is a mid tier killer in comp, I don't care what actual comp players say I just pulling out the results of matches I watched, and her best at average is 2k with 6-7 stages. Her whole game plan is camp basement and tunnel out first one, yes she is good at it. But overall phasing is very counterable by exp survs with audio, and she is 4.4, and still can't do with God loops, while blight or Billy can, they are just too fast. Spirit was S, but now she is mid A, most overrated killer
When I play spirit, people flee. But when I play Dracula, people come to give me head pats when I'm in doggo mode. So Dracula is clearly better
the way the comment is formatted on mobile ur saying give me head
lol
What I like to do is play only vampire/bat mode and then when I hook everyone twice I go somewhere out of sight, transform to wolf and pretend I chased the bad guy away.
@Meosychs that is a very cool meta narrative! Hope the survivors understood that it was that you where doing xD
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The entire reasoning for why Spirit is better is just going, "nuh uh".
Nah it’s going “she goes invisible and only gives off an audio queue to know where she is so you have to have a good set and you can’t be hard at hearing to actually counter her. Whereas bat form is visible AND gives off a lullaby so you know if it’s near via the visual heartbeat indicator”
@@thatfishguy4991 Sounds like something a stealthcuck would care about.
@@thatfishguy4991 is the whole discussion only about Dracula’s bat form vs spirit phrasing?
@@CreatorProductionsOriginal
Yeah, are they forgetting that Dracula has other tools too. Sure, sprit's phase walking on its own is better than Dracula with a bat form, but phase walking is the only thing spirit has. When spirit runs out of sphase walk and has to wait for the cooldown Dracula still has fire and wolf form and is 115% killer instead of 110% like spirit.
@@ToveriJuri oh, so it isn’t
Yea that was an actual question lol
It definitely does take a bit for people to realize how good new characters are. Look at blight as an example. It took probably atleast 6 months before people realized how insane blight was. Everyone thought he was mid tier until they found out about hug techs and the camer POV fixed and people played him more
I bet most people dont even know his fov was like ground level on release lol
And sometimes they never even realize it because they don't play killer themselves or they do but at a mediocre level. There's still people downplaying Chucky and Twins, for example.
in defense of the player that said that blight was bad at the start its only because of the FoV and most of them said that if the FoV was fix then that killer would be a monster. Kinda hard to rush with no vision
Blight needed oven time to learn the tech and strategies, since he relies a lot on the map. Especially since they got rid of hug slides! Figuring out what's "butter" and what you can bounce off of, plus the angles, took work from his fans. But now that info's out, he's climbing the ranks because people are using it.
@@Untiligetfree I did not play him until they fixed that issue lol. I don't care how powerful he was, it felt awful to zoom around with the POV of an ankle biting chihuahua.
The fact that nobody runs iron will anymore implies spirit is nowhere near as scary as her peak where at least half the lobby had iron will, they just have negative nostalgia
draculet had me rollin, we need a draculet skin now
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i bet this fanbase would find it offensive 100%. dbd fanbase is goated in terms of terminally online degenerates
@@ShellSmashed I think the DBD community would love it, they are always horny for killers, and they would prob love fapping to a female drac
The debate for Chucky vs spirit still goes on to this day and honestly my response is just "well it's really close to the point I don't see what we gain from making a definitive claim" this seems similar
It’s like people saying spirit is just better at dropped pallets last video when Dracula forces you to stay at them and consistently pressures hits in various scenarios bc he can fly over them while Spirit generally has to either 50/50 it or break for more distance
4:16 is the biggest problem with Dracula tbh, the Rebecca couldnt do literally anything there... if she didnt move, he would block pallet, if she moved earlier, he would just use power... the linger of his power is bs and needs to be removed
I feel the linger is fine. It's somewhat shortish. And if you know the timing of it you can just wait out a little. Tho sometimes there's no shame in just taking the down. Besides they nerfed the cool down of hellfire. And buffed the wolf form. So most people will just stay like that in loops
and then he can cross-map in 4 seconds with Bat form because we really needed hard anti-loop, walk down, and cross-mapping powers all on one killer
@@ohenthevoidwatcher3939 id rather if his cd was as it was, but the linger was nerfed tbh... he doesnt need area denial in his kit, already has plenty of stuff to work with, but maybe im the only one to think that
“Drop it, Scott” - The Dracula Mains
Exactly!
Not a Dracula main, but I certainly don't want to see him get nerfed. He's fun to play.
I think you're absolutely right scott - the problem is many people once they have formed a belief they will dig down to defend that belief come hell or high water.
While the really tired line of "facts don't care about your feelings" gets bandied about a lot, when it comes to stuff like this its often a case of peoples feelings don't care about the facts.
Someone uses the saying “people want to be right, they don’t care about getting it right.”
Dracula has spirits power in addition to pyramid heads ranged attack as well as houndmasters dog he's the DbD version of ManBearPig
It’s less like Houndmaster’s dog, and more a mix between Demo’s shred and Wesker’s bound. The attack itself functions similar to Demo, but the way you charge it before use and the fact you get a second one shortly after the first is similar to Wesker. The dog can attack twice too, yes, but the dog can’t take health states on its own and the second attack is optional where wolf form’s is mandatory.
It's hard to make players realise how strong a new killer is. I've been playing Dracula a lot and I can confidentely say he's super strong, above Spirit for sure. Even after the latest patch, he's still really good, the cd reduction for shapeshifting didn't really do much except punishing the people who spam it. the 3s to Hellfire is noticeable, but to be fair, when that's on cooldown, just switch to wolf and you'll not even notice it.
5:20 if you look at it from the pov of "against people who know what they are doing" then like 4 killers are even viable.
If spirits audio would get fixed then id say spirit is probably a bit better, but as for now i agree tbh
whats the bug
6:50 in fairness to you, they buffed wolf form after you said it sucked.
Vile Scott making a video just to say “told ya so.” I approve
He uploaded it. You might add it to your description.
I just don’t understand how you can even remotely compare the two. Blight and Nurse have pretty similar powers so that’s fair but nobody is directly comparing Plague and Oni even though they’re arguably the same tier. Is it simply because of Bat form? If you’re claiming that Dracula’s bat form alone is just as good as Spirit’s and that it’s very difficult to counter like you were saying on Twitter then I think your survivors are refusing to interact with a Killer’s power or playing with their eyes closed lmao. Maybe people are disagreeing with you because you’re approaching the argument wrong.
Why do they have to be similar? When you do a tier list do they all have to be similar killers? I'm now comparing overall strength
I think Dracula is a little bit better, but honestly I'm just a bit sad that the killer meta in this game has gotten so stale that there isn't anything more interesting to talk about than something as minor as this. Here's to another 5 years of Nurse and Blight.
I disagree with the point around 1:30 It's not like Dracula has some radically new playstyle that people never played before in this game unlike say the singularity. It won't take that long for an experienced player to get very good with him. It's just a readjustment to how some existing tools behave and then learning to use them together efficiently.
Dracula's cool factor and drip also scale him way up there.
It just makes sense, bat form is in the ballpark of spirits power, and he has a whole extra set of kit and traversal options on top of it. Ok bat form is significantly worse, but everything else is stuff spirit simply can't do. Hes much more versatile at a low cost.
I'd agree with this opinion. I'll also say I personally enjoy going against Spirit more than Dracula. I'm not top tier by any means, but I have my most fun chases on average against Spirit, Blight, and Nurse... I will say however when they show up at my MMR I just accept the match is most likely a loss unless its a baby that doesn't know what they're doing. So the game shifts from trying to escape to just trying to have a fun chase with the killer who I know will drop me but getting practice juking and looping is my goal with those matches. While when I go against Dracula I still don't fully know a good way to win chases and he's so inconsistently picked in my matches I don't really get much practice so he's just frustration.
Hold up how does Dracula have 4 devour hope stacks at 4:00 with just two hook stages
Spectator mode in DBD is constantly bugged and one of its main bugs is to not show the proper amount of hooks.
@@Antarctide Oh that makes a lot of sense, thanks
I agreed with you completely without even knowing your stance... but you've activated my close-minded devil's advocate and I now think dracula is no where near as good as spirit.
I refuse to elaborate as devil's advocate as it isnt my job to advocate the thoughts of the devil
Stop generalizing us ignorant people PLEASE!!
I definitely escape more games against dracula than spirit. I think the whole part where you cannot see her makes her more tricky to play around, even with the audio queue. But I will say the draculas definitely get more hooks in my games.
Nah Dracula is better than Spirit by a long shot, there's no doubt. People just coping.
I wouldn't say a long shot but he is _noticeably_ better.
Spirit can / is only better cause she's fully invisible and her tell requires a headset, a thing a shocking amount of players don't have. Outside of that it comes down to addon issues as per always and then further breaks down whether it's just familiarity vs Spirit and familiarity vs Dracula, etc. It's really just not a worthwhile discussion cause the big elephant in the room is perks and what is genuinely good for slowing down the game so you can get an early kill and steamroll from there. I haven't even played since Unknown despite loving Castlevania almost entirely due to naps and perk balance and I'm glad I did cause i get to play Deadlock and Marvel Rivals now which are just not as toxic nor infuriating as DBD was for me, I just think it's funny a lot of these same discussions are still happening even with new killers being added that have like 4 powers in 1 kit.
Edit: Added a can to show my true thought process. Regardless of what killer is added Spirit will consistently be stronger just cause of her invisibility aspect which can really be beat by good audio on the game's side vs Spirit's audio and that isn't an issue they've ever fixed. Looking at comments I'm not even shocked that Spirit's audio is currently bugged as DBD's audio has been in an endless state of bugged since i started playing in like 2017.
I dont see how people can say drac isn't better then spirit . He literally has spirits power plus . Drac has different ways to deal with loops . Spirit is nothing but a 110 killer without her power up .
Let's hope you don't PRIVATE THE VIDEO BEFORE I CAN WATCH THIS TIME.
Can someone make an ace attorney edit with scott having a breakdown in the courtroom
Before the showcase even comes out is wild. 😂
When did hens make that?
If you haven’t learned all that Dracula has to offer by now then you must not be playing him very often or your brain just isn’t functioning.
This is not a blight, billy or nurse where you need to have perfect blinks and master curves and it’s definitely not something you need high skill to play. Gameplay knowledge is a must though.
Overall it’s a hard choice to say whose better because of spirits slight mind games with passive phasing and even the sound from her phasing can be hard to pin point in some places
Not a discussion on the overall point:
But the "As he's played more, people improve at him and people get better against him, these should cancel out." That's an opinion I'm pretty sure (citations needed) you have referred to on multiple occasions. But I don't think this is even reliable enough to even mention.
Largely basing this off of win rate discussions from MOBA characters but I think in general it applies to any occasion of a newly released character and it's overall win rate with time
I'd not be surprised if there are stats that prove me wrong but I believe I have seen stats supporting this previously.
I don't understand the disagreement either. I main Drac and he's an absolute monster. Bat was, is, and will probably always be his best form. Even without the broken addons you can use range/speed addons with Bat to be on top of someone from across the map within 7 seconds of the game starting thanks to Lethal Pursuer. And for general chase Bat is still amazing too.
I'm watching this, constantly thinking "Who gives a shit????" 😂
Go touch some grass if the placement of both on a rank list keeps you up at night.
See, I agree with you however I would rather than take the path of reworking spirits kit rather than just nerfing dracula to the ground. I really feel like a killer that's power solely depends on an accessibility issue¹ should not exist in dbd in this modern era. I'd like them to take this opportunity to maybe rework her kit to something more modern and not sound focused
That's the whole point of the spirit tho and if you rework her then you need to rework all the killers who heavily punish people with poor eyesight like hag, trapper or dredge. Not to mention that dracula absolutely does need nerfs and that has nothing to do with spirit
@@liabilitylinda3501 Agreed, bat form shouldn't be as powerful as it is with how easy it is to use. The way I'd say how to do it is it might suck to play with but given it's supposed to be a map traversal tool, give him slowdown coming out of bat-form for more than one second and where he can't swing out of it after one second. I'd say probably 4 or 5 seconds could be either too much or maybe just right so we'd need to test it ofc.
@MamaBearKS i agree with you, that's what i assumed it was gonna be when he was released and I can't believe that instead they turned it into his version of phasing
You're right that the killer is recent and so people haven't even mastered the killer yet. But that also applies to survivors. They haven't mastered the countering
Talk about Chucky vs spirit if you haven't, people say a lot of the same thing about chucky being just slightly better
I’m a Spirit main, absolutely love the killer and I would also absolutely agree that Dracula is stronger than her, and like Scott said it’s only by a placement like their both top 5-8 killers in the game, and as well I’m glad he’s stronger cuz Spirit has gotten nerfed a lot as well as constantly dealing with patches just ruining her audio and making her unplayable she had her best add ons gutted she had all of her good green add ons but 1 changed completely and are now basically useless like she’s a killer that has gotten the shortest end of the stick imaginable. I just kinda hope this will someday end up with a Spirit buff not cuz she needs it cuz she certainly doesn’t I just am greedy lol
New costume leaked and confirmed by Scott: Draculette
The problem with spirit right now is her audio is bugged.
audio is bugged in dbd literally 90% of the time lets accept this a permanent debuff she has
@@ScottJund Lol, that's is so BS, but I guess is what we have.
@@ScottJund tbh for the last few months it has been particularly bad, especially with the hearing the husk while phasing bug that is absolutely awful
@@InfInityNoir I can't hear at all sometimes when I played spirit just because of the audio I have stopped playing her.
@@ScottJund idk, i escape more games more convincingly vs dracula over spirit.
I've never suffered from this issue, since I've always believed that Spirit was overrated as fuck. Sure, she got a bit stronger with the Spine Chill execution, but they immediately overcorrected with the directional audio bullshit.
Seriously, I used to LOVE playing against Spirit, but she's just too easy to deal with now.
Honestly i know im a person who believes arguably spirit is better but i also know that dracula is basically right on her level and can even go above her. I know a lot of peoples takes of her being better is because its solo queue with bad survivors where a lot of the times if you encounter a dracula, they are probably still learning, but overall with the millions of nerfs spirit got, she is essentially a husk (no pun intended) of what she was.
where is the spirit v dracula showcase?
Finally realizing Wolf form is good, makes me happy
My opinion has changed because before I thought we were just comparing bat form to spirit, but if we take everything into consideration Dracula is much stronger than spirit due to the fact he has three killer powers.
New debate though whos better dracula or vecna.
Dracula
@ScottJund really? I'm interested to hear your thoughts. Why? Is it because Dracula is more consistent while vecna is burst like.
I think what we’re seeing is the fact that for most part Tier lists don’t accurately represent power, especially in DBD, the game has too many variables between matches and maps r the deciding factor of the win more then the killer, eventually DBD is going to reach a point where the variety of matches actually makes everyone lose the ability to come to an agreement on balance, it’s been slowly happening for awhile, and it’s not a problem u can stop cuz the game needs more variety
I think you might be wrong, and I'm only posting this to cause drama.
...but you're right, GODDAMNIT!
Drac can get multi hits and essentially shut down a basement hook, and he can traverse two floor tiles much easier, boom thats it
How dare you make the internet change there mind!!!! Nice vid
I don't really agree with your conclusion that it proved Dracula was better. Not only was it the fact that as the players got better Spirit began doing significantly better, but most of the times when this was not the case it was due to some sort of massive fumble, like when the spirit decided to protect Three generators with little progress on them in a fairly distant proximity to each other, letting them get the second to last generator for free, all while failing to commit to anything ever. Similarly you had outlier scenarios like devour hope winning the game dramatically for dracula at which point the killer using it is largely interchangeable. I do like that your stance has progressed a little bit to at least stop saying that Dracula is better at playing Spirit then spirit is regarding phasing and bat form. That was a horrible take. But I find it interesting that we can watch the same head-to-head and draw a completely different conclusion.
My general impression is that overall strength they are similar, but spirit is better In the end by a small margin. I can agree she's more add on reliant, but I also think that given the current level dbd is played by by the majority of the player base, add on reliance on a green add on is far from a huge deal in terms of judging it as part of a killer's strength.
keep in mind spirit has 39 active bugs right now that make her really hard to play properly.
I prefer Spirit just because Dracula's chase music is just ear bleeding torture of psychedelic organ riffs. Plus she has a cool.story
scott, people do not look at new information and change their opinions on the internet, they go "i saw this content creator say this once ill now parrot it forever" good luck with convincing!
I concur.
And Scott could there be a small chance that you are wrong also? Me I don't play any of these killers so idk who is better.
nah scott always right and everyone else is wrong
sure, i could be, but the data so far supports me
Dracula is 100% stronger than spirit, however people are so stuck up in the past with pre rework spirit that they feel like a killer being stronger than them bar Nurse, Billy, and Blight is near impossible.
I’ll always say this: Most people that are bad at killer play spirit. Bad killers mainly play spirit because she’s strong and easy to use. She goes invisible, has speed over survivors, etc
Is anybody else dead by daylight keep crashing when playing the game?
I like that there tellerport
Dracula is top 3 in the game, the only reason people don’t realize this is 90% of the people who play him are either bad at the game, him, or both.
Once we get a few months down the road and really good players start maximizing efficiency on Dracula people will realize he is unbalanced atm.
The difference between Dracula and any other top ten killer (besides Chucky) is that he barely takes an afternoon of practice to be skilled enough to be highly effective with him in most pub matches.
I'm rarely in vampire form, wolf is just better. 3rd person, low and dark profile, tracking/haste orbs, a lovely double lunge with all kinds of playability
It's spirit who has one power vs 3 powers. Ofc Dracula is better.
Well for the past 6+ months spirits and the games audio is just broken, a killer that relies on sound that much will just struggle.
My feeling as a long-time DBD player that comes back to play it from time to time is that Spirit feels pretty weak in mid to high and high+ skill brackets. Unless you get quick down or two at the start of the game, its pretty much over. Shes terrible with dealing with pallet/window loops and as long as someone isn't injured, they dont really have to do much imo. I understand that old spirit (pre sound nerf) was insanely OP, but after that change she feels kinda bad. Idc about the tierlist. Also, Im not saying that should be reverted because, well, no. That was super unfair. The change was needed. But I dont think something is still missing to that. Im literally having fun with plenty other killers BUT her, which as a day 1 spirit player... it makes me sad about it :/
She's still strong, if she needs anything it's the bug fixes for the million bugs she has right now and dried cherry blossom being reworked cause it's super cheap and makes her way easier to play while removing the fun aspect of going against her
@@liabilitylinda3501 Tbh Im never using green+ addons on killers. Cant tell why, im too cheap for that maybe lol. And about her being strong, idk really. Some games are absolute stomp, other I am being stomped and thats just feels compeltely random, as this doesnt happen to me on other killers. At least not at that high rate
anyone else miss spirit's old mega lunge?
I do agree with you Scott that Dracula is slightly better than spirit. I see the point you're trying to make. In my honest opinion, I feel like Spirit needs a rework/kit change. Yea she's a strong killer with a strong power but another major reason she's such a strong killer is because of her accessibility issues. In my opinion, that shouldn't be a reason why a killer is strong. My only concern if BHVR were to rework her, is then she goes from an low S tier/high A tier killer to B or even below that because of the rework.
What do you mean by “accessibility”
@@Roc_Official Like hearing accessibility. If you are hard of hearing, she is difficult to play as and against which gives her an edge in the match. I know plenty of people who would like to play spirit but they find her hard to play as or they hate going against her because they find it hard to hear where she is coming from. I know that's not entirely the reason why some people hate going against her but I'm talking about in the accessibility area. Of course, this doesn't apply to everyone but that's why I say accessibility issues.
I would say Dracula is a lot easier to play than Sorit anyways I don't think there's anything in his kit that makes him a difficult killer to pick up.
I don't care who is better; I play Wesker.
I don't care about Wesker, I play Hag.
@@GöstaHöstasson I dont care about Hag, I play Mookle.
You can't change a simp's mind Scott, it's just not worth the effort.
It most likely just comes down to The Sprit being a cute Japanese girl and The Dark Lord being a good looking Central European* dude. Most simps are going to go with the cute girl.
*(I'm finding conflicting information on if the Castlevania Dracula is Romanian or Hungarian so "Central European" it is!)
"Probably for the last time"
Doubt
Can somebody explain to me why people don't think spirit is a S-tier killer ? Because for me it is. There's absolutely nothing you can do against a good spirit no matter the loop.
Just gotta watch each game of Ayrun spirit win streak. He doesn't miss a single hit and downs survivors at a ridiculous speed. Combined with a good regression build any good spirit player is guaranteed at 99% to win for me. I strongly believe it, for those who think I may be a new players, I have 3k hours and play since 2019. However I mainly play in soloQ.
I'm open to debate as long as it's constructive and wholesome thank you :)
If you had 500 tokens and could only buy one.. which one Dracula or Vacna??
Vecna
dracula is harder to play. you should buy spirit and see if you like her gameplay before buying dracula. Vecna is closer to doctor. so you should play doctor and see if you like him before buying Vecna. Vecna is stronger doctor because Vecna has mobility with same anti-loop with mage hand while having extra powers.
@dodang_9147 okay, buy spirit!?? She's free. Lol, money only characters, brother. Why waste 500 tokens on an earnable character. But alright, Dracula, it is.
@@CallmeSins I am saying spend 9000 iri shard to play spirit to figure out if you want to spend auric cells on the dracula/vecna. if you like spirit and you like doctor. you'll like dracula and vecna as their power very similar. if i was choose, i'd choose dracula between the two.
Vecna is pretty good but he kinda relies on you buying another auric DLC which is Alien DLC because Alien's perk. Rapid brutality is really good on Vecna.
@dodang_9147 okay! Now I'm tuned in with what you meant! And uhh. I like spirit better. So.. Dracula!? I don't like doctor
Vile Scott is learning what Pixel Bush feels anytime he opens his mouth about anything and skull merchants strongest haters come out to say Nuh Uh, getting told Nuh Uh every time he talks about Dracula VS Spirit
Love watching Scott yell at people I don't know about lol
Do people compare bat form to spirit? Or dracula vs spirit? The comment I read just comparing bat form vs spirit, dracula has 3 power no way he’s worse than spirit
Chill Scott
Sorry we'll still make fun of your opinions, you have evidence but very easily show you have some bias
I feel like we're getting to the point where new killers are simply iterative of older killers due to the mechanics of the game being limited. If BHVR could afford it, it would make a lot more sense for them to just stop making killers at this point and spend the rest of the game's lifecycle tweaking and balancing the ones they already have.
Like if you're the average new player, there's such a vast amount of killers that you'll probably never get proficient at all of them let alone good with all of them.
eh, iron will got reverted back to 100%, sounds are inconsistent as usual and apparently she has quite a few bugs again and im not even a spirit player lol. so idk.
spirit is still better because my opinions from 2019 have not changed because that would be admitting I was wrong at any point in time and I don't like that possibility
1:42 If that comp play you talked about, then yes - Dracula probably stronger than Spirit lmao
Dracula has a thing people underestimate - third person.
That's is why Chucky is so good.
Also Spirit is harder to play - at least for me, I just can't get good at her.
Ignorance can be remedied. Willful and deliberate ignorance refuses to
The general playerbase is pretty slow to change their opinions because they don't understand the game very well. Many people still think Spirit is some S tier killer right under Blight.
Nurse > Billy > Blight > Artist > Dracula > Spirit > Huntress
They're all secretly dracula players trying to prevent a hard nerf
I dont think this showcase is good evidence for Dracula being stronger than Spirit. Comparing Knightlight to Ayrun isnt really fair. The best matchup for both skill and balance between players was Zaka vs Xeno, which Spirit won both times (7 stages vs 4 and 4k2 vs 4k1).
idk vile scott how can i trust you or hens, he in cahoots, he set it all up, confirmation bias
I still think Spirit is stronger. The fact she goes invisible and the fact that she’s a huge accessibility problem alone makes her much better. Also I think a huge problem we’re seeing is that for some reason people don’t treat bat form like spirit. Like I see survivors running from me when I’m in bat form and it’s honestly kinda ridiculous. If you see he’s in bat form and you’re not injured you should crouch and play against him just like you’d play against spirit except you can actually see him.
Seeing evidence and denying it is like, one od the requirements or something to play this game Scott.
I can't believe it's even contested. He has an ability that goes over walls\pallets, that alone is insane, on top of that, he has Spirits ability. It's take like 1 second to attack out of bat form. He is MUCH stronger than spirit.
The going over Walls part is extremely inconsistent however. Sometimes it goes over walls it shouldn't. But then doesn't go over the ones it should
doesn't really go over walls, only short enough obstacles
Whether or not he is stronger, it's okay.