What Happened When Black Men Went To 1950s Cowboy Movies?
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- Опубликовано: 18 фев 2019
- To support my efforts to create more clips please donate to me at www.patreon.com/allinaday. The speaker was a schoolteacher in Prince Edward County, Virginia. I interviewed him in 1989. He was an outspoken advocate for education who had lived through the 1950s when Prince Edward County shut its school system down rather than integrate. Quite a story. #virginiahistory #cowboymovies #princeedwardcounty
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The teacher's name is Charles White,Sr. He is the author of "The Hidden and the Forgotten ". He is 90 yrs young and publishes "The Informant" newspaper. He is my dad.
This right here is why your channel is awesome.
Thats all my grandfather talked about when growing up was how much he watched cowboy pictures. You could say it somewhat gave him strength in later years when he became the first Black police officer of the City of Hopewell VA in 64. Which is surprisingly not that far away from Prince Edward county. He was expected to not receive any backup . They made him walk the beat in the worst of areas at night. Officers of the Hopewell PD would often gamble placing bets on my grandfather , if he would or would not get injured or killed. They treated him really bad, I don't know how he was able to work in that environment for 10 years.
Very interesting story! Why did so many black men like westerns? (Fred “The Hammer” Williamson) explored this question. Possibly bc in the time period, 19th century, the East was divided between slave holding areas or segregated areas of discrimination. The west instinctively represents freedom, wide open spaces, the opportunity to strike out on your own and individualism. Even if most westerns were completely absurd they portrayed a hidden essential truth
I'm sure glad you brought that up yeah that way you can keep all of us have it going on in the big cities yeah I keep blacks and whites separate that's what you're after you know we've made we had made a lot of strides to come together until people like you got a hold of it
He probably learned to negotiate with the criminal element.
@@tonycollinsworth7393 That wasn't a stride to come together. He was robbed of earning rank of Lieutenant despite being over qualified among other officers. He almost got fired for pulling over a state trooper's son because he gave him a ticket for speeding when really the speed he was going, he should've went to jail. My grandfather put in to be transferred to the Baltimore PD . Despite Baltimore approving it , It got shut down in Hopewell. They told my grandfather you are part of a program to show that "blacks" can get anykind of job in the community (when really they can not), you are here to stay and end your career here. While dealing with racist officers that were trying to get him killed , he also had to deal with the KKK. I don't know where you get at this stride to come together . He was unknowingly chosen to be in a facade of a job program to make it look like there wasn't any kind of job discrimination in a city, that would go as far as purposely paying a massive amount poor white West Virginians to migrate over to Hopewell and take up space in the Plants just so they don't have to hire black people. I can go on and on about Hopewell Va .
@@mr.zondide2746 I honestly don't know. Next time I see my grandfather I'll ask .
A sobering reminder of black history in today's world. We have accomplished so much over the past 100 years it is time for the world to hear our voice moving forward. Thank you for posting this video.
So true but our accomplishments and contributions to "America" predates slavery and Columbus...
More like so little most of us think we’re from Africa when we’re from America and descended from people who originated in America and built all the great structures from North too south of America that’s been hidden and marginalized by the parties that select the books and curriculum students will be educated by and determine the laws that crosses over borders and rule people too extinction point being so called black Americans need to wake up and recognize that they have been lied to and brainwashed while the thieves are walking out the front door with their inheritance
@@johnjammer3912 agree We must fight to get back Our Historic Inheritance all over Our Lands and all over Our beautiful World. Yes We are Blacks living in Amerika but We're still People of Afrikan Descendants from Alkebu-Lan or Afrika regardless what You say besides there wouldn't be no Amerikas no Europe nor not even Asia if it hasn't been for Us from Alkebu-Lan aka Afrika!
Besides Nobody's brainwashed but We are more Historically confused than brainwashed by the Historic propaganda lies of white supremacy!
This is why we need to push for the 1619 project in the school system.
I'm so glad someone found an outlet to publish these interviews. It's always interesting listening to what previous generations think about both their own and the current social atmospheres.
Media and entertainment programming has tainted our experiences so. What a blessing to have had a teacher who understood and knew the truth of the Black American experience.
Bass Reeves was the Real LONE RANGER. He was the first African American U.S. Marshall. A BAD MAN!
YES HE WAS THE REAL DEAL.......
I read that fact recently and it got me wondering if the writers/producers of the TV show, The Lone Ranger, may have known that fact and as a sly tribute to Bass, gave their white Ranger a mask so his face could be black on screen. Am I crazy for having that thought?
How do you know Bass wasn't Indian?
@@SmashinAdams Don't know. Read the story of Reeves once and it connected. Googled it and I'm certainly not alone. It makes sense and I'll just go with the flow.
@@petejefferson2 Most do; Ignorance only feels like bliss. It ain't.
I love your content! It offers such a real world perspective unfiltered by text books and assumptions. Just raw experiences from real people!
That is my intent. Thank you.
David Hoffman - filmaker
Our kids need to be taught this in history.
They need to be taught the truth about history.
Mary Slocum it’s now forever in internet history
Yahuda Leedahboig good
@@aa-jp7ck that's what you want to think...but its not true...some ppl have turn against each other because of ignorance and the media....us blacks want to be proud of something (our culture our skin) and sometimes that leads us to become ignorant that we began thinking of superiority to fill our voidnes of confidence because the lack of integration...this soon becomes a trust issue.....now if only ppl responded without their ego and responded with empathy..ppl Wil actually listen and try to find solutions
@@aa-jp7ck but the way you stated your comment will lead to more trust issues and future arguments...because it shows what rules your heart...is ego..and we all know there is no replying with ego
My mother spoke to me of a theater segregated with black children in the rooster roof a place in the very top. Assigned to colored people and immediately after the movie being chased home with racist comments. My mother was victimized with urine being thrown at her. This physiological treatment was the more abusive for greater, because those scars never mend, by the hands of MAN..
Wow David, you never cease to impress me with your depth and relevance
A few years after that experience in 1961 a movie featuring the buffalo soldiers was released called Sergeant Rutledge starring my man Woody Strode aka the body weight king.
Love me some Woody Strode! Think he played for 49ers.
@@mr.zondide2746
Strode's hometown Los Angeles Rams wasn't it?
He was in the same backfield on UCLA's football team with Jackie Robinson.
I think you're thinking of Bernie Casey who did play for San Francisco and later the Rams.
Woody Strode
Spartacus with Kirk Douglas
Once Upon a Time in the West W/ Henry Fonda and Charles Bronson.
Dynamic Actor
@@gwattsrealestate
Woody Strode
"The Black Stallion Returns" (1983) with Kelly Reno, and Casolé the horse.
I really enjoy these interviews. Thank you for putting them here.
My dad loved cowboy movies, he called them 'shoot dem ups'. He loved Rifle Man the show and till this day I get a geared up the opening of the show the way he handled that rifle
It's all subliminal, like a ubiquitous white noise that covers everything. When I was a young Boy I banged up my elbow and my Mom was patching me up. I asked her why the bandaids were pink? She told me they're skin colored, she said we can buy them, and use them, but they weren't made for us.
I'm caucasian, and they never matched me either. I was naive, I guess. I just thought they were "band aid" colored.
Great story David. Thanks!
I wonder if Tarantino used interviews like this as inspiration.
Great story and very compelling. Need more narrators like this man to keep our understanding of history
Your channel destroys the Norman Rockwell fantasy that modern conservatives live in regarding "the old days"
The truth always DESTROYS mythology.
Or the communist utopia fantasy where nobody works that modern democrats live in. Never seen them this mad since we took their slaves
@@m.richards6947 Move to Communist China, you would love it there!
@@GamePlayWithNolan LOL, How stupid do you have to be to think the modern Democratic party is anything like that in the 1860s. Remind me again which party today still defends Neo-Confederate symbolism to the death?
@@m.richards6947 And the chinese people are more free than ever!.....relatively.
They probably used a separate entrance and sat in a designated portion of the highest balcony. My friend in McGregor, Texas owns the oldest movie theater in Texas still owned by the original family from which he bought it, built in 1912. It has a separate black entrance and "coloreds" sat in the balcony. It stopped showing movies in 1983 and the black entrance had long since been covered over. He has long range plans to restore it and install a pipe organ in the orchestra pit. He owns the old 1910 Ace Hardware store across the street which the town gave to him. It contains the restored Robert Morton theater organ which came out of the Old Mill Theater in Dallas, Texas and for a period was installed in the Lakewood Theater.
It did have a separate entrance, that's how it was back then. Sad that everything MLK fought for is being tarnished now with all this behaving like babies.
I heard that at the very beginning they reserved the balcony for the whites and had blacks at the bottom because in olden days of the theatrical plays the elites sat in the balconies. But the white kids would spit and throw things down at the Blacks so much, they had to switch it.
@@martyjoseph9507 funny how what you said resembles the hate that was directed toward MLK when he was active. Whites thought MLK, his movement and his methods were bad for black people.
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@@briana.g.7412 not hate... It makes me sad that actions of destruction are thought to bring people together. I'll watch the video and see if I see what you do.
@@martyjoseph9507 sad that destruction is all the mainstream media allows you to see in the comfort of your own home.
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My favorite RUclips channel now
Wow , a view into stereotyping in films , good info.
Amazing piece of history right here. Thank you for sharing this story 💯
My Daddy and his brother were brown in a farming town in Idaho back then.
I asked him what it was like, being so few, and he told me, “Sometimes we told them we were Indian, because it was better than being part Mexican. I also learned that if you hit ‘em hard enough the first time you can get out of there.” (whatever situation, w/out fighting)
Thankyou so much for this, and I’m immeasurably glad this man had someone to tell him the truth about cowboys!
As we say, “Let ‘er buck!”
I hope that you are a subscriber. I plan to share with my subscribers in the next few weeks how to do more with stories like the wonderful bit of the story you shared in this post.
David Hoffman-filmmaker
Santino Gomez , I meant no offense. I was describing the color of their skin, not their race (we’re all human).
It’s the way they were seen and treated as children. As “other” because they didn’t look like everyone else. We’re proud of our family’s rich tapestry, and being Mexican (Spanish and Native) & Italian on his mom’s side and hillbilly-moved-west on his dad’s.
My daddy is brown, golden brown. His hometown was WHITE except for migrant workers. We didn’t get his gorgeous color, my brother and I split it and our mom’s: he’s golden, and I’m olive-toned. Our mother? Western and Southern European (English, Scots, Portuguese, Spanish, German, Italian, Basque, French). We’re all Americans here. One beauty of my family is that generations have understood that. We are proud both of our family heritage, stories and to be American ‘mutts.’ That’s a term of pride for us, not derision.
I hope this clears things up a bit.
I’m glad to be an American with you,
Thanks for letting me know how you heard what I wrote, it helps me to understand and to be more clear.
Adeus, Adiós, and Happy trails and cool water to you,
✌🏼, j
(I should say: they grew up in latter 1940s and 1950s small-town western Idaho.)
Santino Gomez , sorry I hit the 👎🏼, I fixed it.
Thanks again.✌🏼
This is why representation in the media matters....
You are an excellent storyteller with stellar camera work!
this is why our children need Black History
Let's start by teaching this History in black liberal democratic run cities to see how far it would go....don't hold your breath!!!! 🇺🇸🦅🔥💯
@@realtj2226 Go back to your Klan meeting you Dip Stick
This is why our children need to stay encouraged to get a good education, period! I've worked with too many who drop out in middle school, like it's cool. Where ya at babymama, babydaddy? Where's your pride? And please drop that ' white people done me wrong ' bs & get motivated to get yours!!
The Lone Ranger was a Black Lawman, Buffalo Soldiers, and let us recall that Cowboys is the English translation of the Spanish word from Mexico Baqueros and Mexican Baqueros were also Black men given the fact in Mexico slavery had been outlawed.
Vaqueros not baqueros
@@kungmoshfu gracias, es Imposible escuchar y escribir Al mismo tiempo, thank you, it's impossible writing and listening at the same time.
@Asad1969 I'm not the expert here -- Wikipedia though says:
"Around 75% of modern Spanish vocabulary is derived from Latin. [..] With around 8% of its vocabulary being Arabic in origin, this language is the second most important influence after Latin."
@Asad1969 in his defense in Mexico I learned to write Vaqueros, but I have been hanging out with Spaniards and have picked up on Baqueros.
@Asad1969 just to correct you, Mexico comes from the Mexiccas the Native Nation to which in 1880's became known as Aztecs, so we had our own languages and we're forced to learn European and African languages.
Buck and the Preacher is a must see black western(Ruby Dee, Harry Belafonte Sidney Poitier). Oscar Micheaux & Spencer Williams were directors of Black Films called race films in the early 1900's.
Hollywood in keeping with American society perpetuated negative & stereotypical images of the black community starting with "Birth of a Nation" a pro KKK film screened in the White House by then President Woodrow Wilson in 1915...
Yes. Buck and the Preacher was the first black cowboy I saw on the big screen.
That was a good one
@@maryenagross4360
And where would home be?
@Chas Stack
Great insight was given to black settlers, along with the Black and Native American perspective and fragile alliance. That spoke to me...
I saw that movie years ago in Atlanta,
The army had a bicycle corps of black soldiers back around the turn of the 19th. century at Fort Missoula..
I'm pretty sure the thumbnail is two girls
Yes I said the same lol... I can spot a black girl in a millisecond
💀💀🙄
@Jerry Donohue Trans black cowboys🤦🏾♂️ stop,just stop!
@@nonamemcgillicutty9585 True! For I can also spot a pair of boobies from 379 km(roughly 235mi). Especially on beautiful dark sisters 😍😁
They are
Thank you so much!!!!☻
The Buffalo soldier was according to all the stories I heard growing up some of the bravest men to sit in a saddle!
This is disgusting. I hate when people say the past was better than now. The way black people were treated back then is disgusting.
Just black men and it is going on today!
What a beautiful, well-spoken man! 🇨🇦
Propaganda is a hell of a thing, isn't it?
So do u believe that there was no Black people in America until the Europeans bought them over??😂😂
I love to hear elders speak.
This speaks to how impactful representation is that these men would come in droves to catch a glimpse of what may have been a real black cowboy that they were most likely aware wasn’t even a supporting character.
By any chance do you know the name of the movie that he is talking about?
KillerBebe try googling fat meat
The real lone ranger bass Reeves never had to shoot anyone look it up
My brothers and I are also big western fans. I remember the *Western Channel* had a moderator who was big on the truth regarding western movies. During Black History Month, he spoke of a film titled "The Searchers" that was actually the story about a Black Sgt. Major in the Union Army whose daughter was captured by the Comanche. In the film, John Wayne portrayed him as a Confederate officer. Unfortunately for the moderator, the Western Channel "retired" him soon after February. However, that info made me look closer for the truth. For example, I'm certain that "Rawhide", "The Lone Ranger" and "True Grit" were likely the adventures of black cowboys and Bass Reeves. And I'm taking an even closer look at all those old western T.V. series...
Does anyone know what The Name of this movie he is talking about? I'd love you find it
Thanks Mr..Hoffman
Django unchained should have came out in the 50s'. set everybody straight
AmeriKKKa would've changed earth's rotation 😂😂
Instead of a hero I'm sensing some type of payback or oppression in this comment and responses, especially the KKK stuff. Time to move on and move forward so we can get it like MLK wanted, no supremacy goals from any race.
I've had similar experiences and feelings. As you and your mentor/teacher noted and you learned, Black men and women carried out many heroic acts throughout American history.
Thanks for sharing.
Can’t tell you much I appreciate your sharing this ... It was both sad & enlightening. But you don’t show a hint of bitterness. I’m guessing you were raised in a strong Christian home.
Do we know what movie he was talking about, and what year he went to the movie theater?
What's the name of that movie?
Do we know the name of the movie referenced in this clip?
What was the name of the movie and who portrayed "Fat Meat"?
I’m from va and never heard of this place lol, must be super country .
I used to live in Clifton Forge VA. It's basically a ghost town now. It's depressing :(
Sorry,David,but do you know producers and/or directors who make cowboy movies ?
This is why we love to watch the video of the sister making the Karin sit down after a beat down.
A person who's insecure about, or jealous at the idea of another person's positive and influential achievements and/or intellectual and financial prosperity will do all that they can to prevent them from flourishing. The more insecure and jealous, the more effort and aggression that goes into preventing the prosperity. This is why there's been an aggressively systemic effort for over 400 years that uses propaganda as a tool against the general prosperity of black people.
Great video; however: What's going on with the thumbnail?? Surely, you could have found images of black men in western attire. Why are two black women depicted in the thumbnail???
Actually, I looked but could not find any. It was quite a surprise.
David Hoffman - filmmaker
David Hoffman, love your channel! For this video the thumbnail should be changed. The thumbnail is a photo of two women.
I agree but I found no images by searching on Google of male black cowboy figures. I can't believe that but so far that is the best I could find.
David Hoffman - filmmaker
David Hoffman I found a cool photo here:
black-culture.tumblr.com/post/43830779029/redefinedcool-black-cowboy-clean/amp
But if that doesn’t work, maybe just say in the video title ‘What Happened When Blacks Went to 1950s Cowboys Movies’ rather than specifying black men. Just simply because of the photo and people will always comment on it. Love your work here though. I’ve learned a lot here.
That is perfect. I will make the change immediately. Thank you so much.
David Hoffman
David Hoffman you’re awesome! Thanks.
The Truth Shall Set You Free, Love yourself.
Im 64 and i remember the movie clear like a bell
I just did an amateur review of Hidden Figures book and had the same reaction. How come I never heard this story before? MLK a Star Trek fan. Go get the book.
I wana see more of these
Northampton County, VA - yeah, in elementary school I came to realize the Black characters depicted in movies were quite unlike the folks that stood over us. A shout-out to my Teachers; Lois Spady, Ruby McCoy, Charles Bell, Alice Brown, and Ms. Custis...I still appreciate the help.
Your story about Fat Meat was really great.
When I looked at the thumbnail all I heard in my head was "i can fix that" lol reminded me of the black guy from the movie holes who always tells the teacher I can fix that
Anyone find the name of the movie he is referring to?
Not all buffalo soldiers were African. Many were dark-skinned Indians. Not all "blacks" we're African. Most were Indian.
So much of our history has been hidden or erased . and some of today issues are a indirect caused by this lack of knowledge about A/A history. ist very important to know where you come from in order to get to where your going in life.
I want to hear what he thought of Blazing Saddles.
Real unfiltered view.
what was the teachers name?
Evreytime I see a video from 50's it will have thousands if not millions of comments that mention: oh how great that time was and how those good ol days are now gone and that they wish they would have grown up in that era.... Most people don't care to realize that shit some people had to put up with discrimination. I'm only 35 but have spoken to enough old people to understand
We need to identify the movie.
what movie was this?
The older generations are so much better spoken than us.
I will never forget it either ...
I recommend watching the movie, "Sergeant Rutledge" with, Woody Strode........
There still is a working Ranch in Compton.
Amazing! I know what he experienced.
The struggles and Journey of the black man continues!!!
Would like to know the name of the actor and move.
I wonder what movie that was? I tried some Google searches but came up empty. Apparently there were a lot of blacks in westerns. but I imagine they were mostly in subservient roles or as minor characters.
Here's a list of Black Western movie Actors Born 1866 - 1960: www.imdb.com/list/ls064290651/
I didn't see "Fat Meat" listed.
Hollywood is one of Americas greatest weapons.
Who do you think were the original cowboys?
If they won't treat you right what makes you think they will teach you right?
Fat meat? Sure it wasn't Corn Pop?😐
The irony is both the cowBOYS and the Indians were Black indigenous Americans.
Exactly!!
Explain that to me...I don't seem to recall anything like...Black Indigenous Americans...the Indians, sure...Native Americans...but the blacks? they came from Africa...how could they be "indigenous" ?
@@rockyperez855 Blacks Were In America With The Indians A Long Time Before White People Came and That's Facts.
@@rockyperez855 read a book by ivan van Sertima tittled They came before Columbus. The indigenous people are so called black folks period.
@@rockyperez855 read a book by Leron Bennett Jr. Tittled Before the Mayflower
Same here kind of I learned true history and discovered soldiers from the revolutionary war that was African American James Armistead,Peter Salem,Salem poor and prince Whipple
Yep, the first person killed in the Revolutionary War was a brotha named Christopher Attucks
The word cowboy was bowered from the Mexican culture word vaquero, lariat from larriata, other words corral, lasso, palomino, pinto, rodeo, etc.
From further research, it appears that Billy's the kid and Jesse James where mixed black mothers and white fathers 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
I grew up in the 1950s as a little boy. We had no movie heroes that looked like us. They were always portrayed us as buffoons, rolling bug eyes and scared. Shufflin' about as lazy and indolent. In reality that wasn't true but we were embarrassed to see that type of representation by White Hollywood.
Movies portrayed people that were from the Appalachian mountains of Kentucky and West Virginia like this, as a stereotype that wasn't true. When I see it I clench my fist in rage. My ancestors worked so hard for meager wages mining coal, farming or logging only to be treated and looked upon as less than civilized. Even now it's still considered okay to refer to someone as some derogatory name if you are from that area.
Truth there, my Dad was a coalminer and people think you're some kind of hick.
@@FloydLarck what they dont realize is those areas were also incredibly diverse...you had the native folks of scots-irish-germam decent, but there were also Italians, Hungarians, Greeks, Lebanese and Syrians...protestants, Catholics and Jews. In the neighborhood where my dad grew up, he remembers tarantellas being played and grapes grown on the hillside to make homemade wine. His neighborhood or holler was mainly Italians and blacks.
Sounds like Star Wars
Anyone seeing "fat meat" would take away that it might be really good to play a bugle. Or maybe a trumpet. The story line does remind me of Hogans Heroes. 👍👍
In Texas there were quite a few black cow boys because, after all, a cowboy is just a hand. Of course, many them along with white and indians and Mexicans took part in rodeos, A story told by my father made and impression on me,. His company was implowed to drive an oil well on a major ranch up new the Red Rover. While they were setting up to drill. the cows came riding up with rifles across their saddle horn, and asked who gave them the right to be there,. My dad explain that he had been contact to drill a well by the owner, They said that no one had told them about this, so he had to stop while they checked. Then they put their rifles back in their scabbards and rode away. He never saw them again and it took a day for someone from each headquarters to get with them and give the OK. The cowboys were all black and had not been deferential,men not to be messed with,
David Hoffman makes the best films.
Bass reaves .research it. Hiim they didn't talk about in schools back then.
To imagine people of color fought against the Indians breaks my heart.
Natives owned slaves, there were black settlers who stole land too
@Haben Brhane Ya I would like to see this as well. Hopefully not something used to promote the narrative colonialism and slavery.
@Haben Brhane that's well known idk what source to provide. But uh Lincoln's Land Grabs weren't exactly free real estate lol
For any human that fight against any human is heat braking.
For those indians that had black slaves. Those blacks may have been indians as well. Alot of indians were labeled as african American or black during the process of colonialism and segregation. My great grandmother is indian but her american birth certificate says that she is black/negro.
I wonder if descendants of members of the 9th and 10th Cavalry would found such a presentation acceptable...
For a lot of people, the only history they know is Hollywood history.
It wasn't until the 60's that we saw African Americans prominently featured in the westerns. What I've always resented (going back to growing up as a kit) was the depiction of black people before that time in the movies (with few exceptions) . The whole uneducated freed slave bit got out of hand.