Debate With A "Libertarian Anarchist"
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- A libertarian calls in to except Sam Seder's challenge to debate libertarians...
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So Sam got this guy to go from being a libertarian anarchist to supporting single-payer healthcare? WTF.
Sam would’ve been a damn good trial attorney.
This is what happens when people pick their political ideology based on how edgy it is and not on their actual values and positions on key aspects
@@RevieCliche this
@@eduardom.8766 i think his father was
@@pergrinepi3130 maybe you need an audiologist.
seems like a decent guy just a little confused.
Agreed
The personification of "... he a little confused but he got the spirit" meme, lol~
@Whitney Girl I bet he voted for Trump twice
So many of these callers are kids who think they've figured it all out after reading Atlas Shrugged and are half way through an introduction to econ.
If I have to here John Galts frickin proclamation one more time I'm gonna lose it!
accurate
30 yrs of age is not a "kid"
TheEvolver311 well technically no... but it is absolutely possible to make it to 30 without having any real life problems like the mentioned cancer, or having sick kids, or having a terrible accident.
Personal tragedy is what is required for some people to realize the importance of the system we have and how to make it better. Until then, “I don’t need it so no one does” is a common thought process.
He may not be a kid but he is naive.
@@benjaminpark5460 my dad left when I was a kid
How is it that these free market geniuses can't do enough market research to buy a decent fuckin' phone?
+IamCancer624 Capitalism cannot innovate or create quality, by the nature of consumerism it is a race to the bottom of cheap bullshit that breaks. It is part of being trapped in a system that only profits from planned obsolescence and screwing people for greeds sake. Quality in capitalism is in how well you can lie and manipulate to sell as much shit as possible with marketing lingo, not the products.
*****
Computers and the internet were developed by the state.
*****
In the case of the computer, we're talking about something that required decades of extremely costly R&D with no obvious commercial benefit. It's obvious now, but it wasn't back in the 40s. It's unlikely that a for-profit company would invest billions in R&D on a project that even IBM thought would never make money. Would IBM, or any other company, spend billions of dollars developing the computer when they think they're only going to sell five of them?
www.techhive.com/article/155984/worst_tech_predictions.html
It's exceedingly unlikely that the private sector alone would have developed the computer, or at least not for a very long time from now.
Nice switching of the goal posts by the way. You offer the computer as a triumph of capitalist innovation, I correct you, and you change the argument to "the private sector would have done it eventually!"
/Libertardian logic
+Bronson Kaahui
"Government externalities." What an utterly stupid comment. Your "no government" option is a utopian fantasy. So compared to your imaginary utopia, yes, government sucks.
Unfortunately, we don't have to option of living in Fantasyland.
+Bronson Kaahui "You created it and then falsely attributed it to me"
Take responsibility for your ideology. Since you claim to be an "anarcho"capitalist, consequently this makes you one who lives in a fucking fantasy utopia.
"War on the other hand, is actually a real thing, a demonstrable, empirical fact"
Wars are fought on behalf of the ruling class, the ones you believe should run society.
Sometimes you don't realize how hilariously uninformed you are until you actually try to articulate your position. I hope this has been an educational experience for our baked libertarian friend.
+Bronson Kaahui call in so we can hear the hilarious remarks :)
LOL WHAT
Sorry can you say that again?
After watching a lot of these libertarian caller videos, I'm thinking that in a libertarian utopia the phone service would totally suck.
I'm fascinated by this - it's as if somehow their philosophy compels them all to buy the same shitty phone.
They support 3rd party cell phone providers.
It's the fact they are using a cellphone and doing a speaker phone call, unless your in a proper room set up for it, the speaker is going to suuuuck in quality.
Okay yes, screw these anti-government types am I right? Let's certify and license everything. How about it's time you start applying when you want to have sexual intercourse. Very dangerous, risky behavior. So you need to ask the government if it's okay every time you do it and fill out lots of forms listing names and addresses and body counts and all that. :-) good thinking. :-)
@@legalfictionnaturalfact3969 oh look it's a triggered ancap
You know, I think guys like this are sick of the status quo, sick of both parties, so they latch onto whatever alternative is presented to them. In this case he went for the Libertarians because he's anti-war, and Libertarians are nominally anti-war, so they fit him a little better. Unfortunately, he then ends up swallowing the rest of their garbage.
This guy wasn't so bad. He's one of those Libertarians who's just confused.
*****
The Republican party is actually a better alternative than Libertarians.
*****
Libertarians are the shittiest alternative. Mainstream Republicans are better, as are Democrats. Every single conceivable alternative is better.
*****
You're a pathological liar, and therefore I don't care about your opinion.
IamCancer624
Anything that isn't fascism.
*****
Libertarians are nominally anti war.
Libertarian logic - My truck broke down. We need to stop using trucks completely. My toilet stopped working. No more toilets.
+Tyler Desrosiers Opps, I broke my arm. Better cut it off. Someone has the flu. We should just put them down. Nothing that's broken ever gets better. mope mope mope
Rose Magdalene You want your other arm to make $15 an hour? Theft. What would really help is if your other arm could make $3 an hour at two full time jobs, no over time, no benefits. That's what would really help you to want to do better for your family.
+Bronson Kaahui But they're not. Government, like all organizations, consists of people. Different people do different things. We can criticize some of the people without criticizing the others. We weed out the bad from the good all the time in our personal lives [and other organizations], why shouldn't we do the same with government?
IamCancer624 Businesses forcing people to take lower wages is robbery as well. Not paying taxes for the infrastructure that goes into getting your laborers to and from work, training them, giving them problem solving skills, etc, are all forms of robbery.
There is an inherent imbalance of power putting an individual against a group. Libertarian logic says people bidding for their wages directly with a 'business' is fair... give me a break. It's an individual with few real choices vs. a person or group that has the power to sustain that person's well being. Starve or die. That is the essence of the power structure that exists between employee and employer. Take this or risk something less. Stay here or risk having nothing at all.
***** Throw the baby out with the bath water. There. I can make general sweeping statements, too.
You need to keep in mind where the money trail that has 'educated' your current form of 'libertarianism' has come from. I can live with having an actual, principled, libertarian in government. So why are all of the 'libertarian' politicians and candidates in any given country either religious zealots, or worse, just trying to remove taxes for businesses? Why don't they remove taxes on the poor before they get rid of corporate welfare? Why not give the poor a reverse income tax (ala Friedman) instead if giving it to the uber rich?
Oh, and also, the state you describe has been supported by businesses, families, and corporations that traditionally have always supported government enforcement of their ideology. They currently support the 'libertarian' ideal, which is least likely to get in the way of their best interests. Try following the money.
Classic libertarian, ask them for details and they fall apart.
K Dawg, he's not a libertarian. Guarantee he doesn't even know who Rothbard is.
That's kind of the thing with freedom, you're not supposed to tell others how to live. Silly liberals.
@@metabolic_jam And with no government in place, who is going to respond when it is violated?
Pithy statements with no thought of the implications. That is libertarian thought in a nutshell.
@@radicalmiddle9745 I talked to one of these Individual Sovereignty people, and I asked him if he would need a passport to re-enter the US if he were to secede on his own land (I also asked about tariffs, mail, and by what right his definition of property deserved to win out), and the best he could do was whine about how I was distracting about minor points. There have been others, but that conversation was probably the most illustrative.
Kevin Borge Sam could probably have handled rothbard in a debate. Anarcho capitalism makes no sense.
"it was cheap and subsidized i couldn't afford it otherwise" and did the government ever help me? no HAHAHAHA
also call from a fucking landline assholes!
+ry wyche its so expensive because of all of the gov't bureaucracy in the first place. Our health costs started skyrocketing just a few years after Medicare was passed. The reimbursements are so weak, that the costs get passed down to everyone else
+Illya Van Hoof THANK YOU! Some people just hear one statistic and base their ideology on it without any real understanding of the issue as a whole
***** No, not better results, the US has the best healthcare outcomes. When you control for lifestyle choices, the US actually has the best life expectancy. Plus most countries hid their healthcare costs in their national debt and the US has multiple layers of bureaucratic red tape at the local, state and federal level.
***** No, we have the best healthcare results. The national debts in Europe aren't a problem? Really?
He is not an anarchist, he is a guy who has had a bad experience and has written off the whole idea of government but ignores what it gives him and in doing so is throwing the baby out with the bath water.
Yep
What does government give him?
Roads to drive on, fire fighters and emt professionals, working power Infistucture, universal communication infistructure, air travel, food, drug and products regulation, etc. ,etc.
You do not have to like the govenment to understand what it does.
@@sharper68 WHAT HAVE THE ROMANS EVER DONE FOR US?
@@CausalityLoop lol.
I don't think this guy was ready to debate anything...
Nope, he probably just has a browsing interest in libertarian thought.
Libertarianism is nothing more than a philosophical argument for oligarchy.
+Deep Ashtray
_Libertarianism is nothing more than a __-philosophical-__ mealy mouthed, inconsistent, disingenuous, half assed argument for oligarchy._
Fixed.
+Philippe PBS Is the tune that I whistle in front of you my property? Or can you take it:?
*****
It is indeed my property. Why do you get to determine what constitutes intellectual property?
It's very simple.
If you want to believe in the idea of private property, you have to define what you mean by property.
As soon as you define what is property, then you need to identify how you determined that one thing is property, and another isn't.
Are you in academia, or are you just a serial college student?
It's obvious that you are overly convinced by "on paper" arguments, but that you don't really have much experience with actual property in the real world.
*****
Libertarianism is all about who controls the resources. Multinational corporations know that full well.
***** Why would I ask you about your academics? Because it's a clear indication of the bubble of socialism that you live in, and that you deny.
It's easy to tell people to act certain ways when you have everything taken care of.
Yet again, you flail because you refuse to acknowledge that there is no way you can make a claim to private property without having an outside authority.
If you want to talk about slavery that is great.
When humans were private property, what would you have said about property?
Other than that, I am not sure why I am tasked with your job of defining the morality of owning humans.
Don't own humans. It's wrong. That's pretty easy.
Once again, why do you get to determine what is property?
Why is it that you say the melody I whistle is not mine, but it can be yours?
Are you saying that you are sharing the thing that I created without asking me if it's okay to share it?
Keep in mind, it's not the scarcity of the melody that is at issue. It's the scarcity of my intellectual abilities and time.
I have potential monetary value in my melody, but you don't recognize it.
I love that there are "kinds" of libertarians, because when you're in la la land not constrained by reality you can be whatever mythical creature you want.
If you want a libertarian utopia with no govt involvement, I hear Somalia's pretty nice this time of year.
+Eero Haapala why has Somalia done better without its central gov't.
kathy kelly Good govt = Canada, Sweden, Holland, France, Belgium, Finland, Denmark, Norway.
Bad govt = Bangladesh, Qatar, Saudi Arabia. No govt = Somalia.
Eero Haapala Those gov'ts you listed as good tend to be more economically and socially free. You literally aren't allowed to drive if you are a woman in some of those bad countries and can be executed for being gay. But you didn't address my point about Somalia, why has it done better without its central gov't.
***** and he just happened to list freer countries as the good, funny the more laissez faire the better
***** I oppose govt-funded mass incarceration, war, torture, censorship and capital punishment (North Korea, Saudi Arabia, 'Merica). I support govt-funded healthcare, education and infrastructure (Canada, Sweden, Holland).
Do libertarians realise that western democracies have universal health care and its people are contented by it? I get the feeling many ancaps have no understanding of the outside world.
It's always easy to see the "good" government does. It's much harder to envision the counterfactuals.
True, but it is also too easy to see all the faults of government an overlook the good. I think liberals would agree with you that government does a lot of things really really really wrong, but the way we fix it is how we differ. You would propose less government, liberals would propose fixing our current government.
matereymate Right, and it comes down to what system is better for efficiently allocating resources. Is there a precedent for a centralized system to do that over a decentralized one? I don't know that there is.
The government isn't a centralized system for allocating resources it just sets the rules. Private companies buy and sell with other private companies. Shipping, whether it's air, land or sea, is also done by private companies.
They just ignore whatever doesn't suit their narrative or make up false BS about it. Like the complete falsehood that wait times in the Canadian system are abysmally long or that thing with the kid in Italy.
Haha “you have the cell phone reception to do it.”
So TRUE. These dudes always have crappy cell phone reception, background noise, and sound like they are completing several other tasks during the entirety of their phone call.
19 seconds in and I'm already howling. Rest in power Michael
now this caller i feel bad for, he seems to just have some of his ideas on point but how he gets there is a problem, plus some of his definitions
i think he's a left leaning libertarian, but maybe if he had more info or just a different perspective (no shit huh? lol) he would be a liberal
These debates are amazing lol, can’t believe I’ve been missing out all these time
I'm gonna start my own open invitation to libertarians.
Cage fights.
But hey, I'll give them a libertarian advantage. No referees.
+Soo Line lol two libertarians enter one alligator leaves
IamCancer624 no moron we do not believe in private ownership of the commons,natural monopolies and certain means of production
IamCancer624 natural monopolies and the commons are water national park land the internet electricity food production the basic necessities of life and a functioning civilization. humanity did not create the pyramids the renaissance or go to the moon through competition and the free market. but through collectivism and personal/sociatle betterment and making a better world for the next 7 generations
***** we are a self governing democratically elected representative republic we are the state. so pull your head out of your ass get involved or shut the fuck up. your hands are not clean because your more moral there clean because your not helping
IamCancer624 why do we need to go to space moron it's because one good asteroid and human existence is toast as if we never were it is time to end the senseless wars ,stop burning down the plant and leave the cradle behind for the stars
I feel so sorry for this caller's lack of intelligence.
+Bronson Kaahui lol, you can't help yourself can you? Got an impotent little contrarian itch eh? Lol
+Bronson Kaahui you're the caller? Haha, lol.
Why don't you do more of this? Sam does such an amazing job destroying these people.
By running into trivial details instead of addressing the wider arguments?
Libertarianism is only good for online disscussion, not practical.
BizarrePower Historical precedent disagrees. Where has a coercive monopoly ever allocated resources more efficiently?
+Greoric M I'll wait for the Federation to come into existence.
BizarrePower Concession noted.
"I'm equally likely to vote for Bernie Sanders as I am Rand Paul" lol I've never heard a more ridiculous thing in my life.
@Inverting the Pyramid with Joe Kopsick fair enough, thanks for the feedback.
"I wanna debate libertarianism"
Michael: You got the phone reception for it
lol
“Buying a home will be cheap in the future”. As a man from the future I can tell you it’s not
This happened During the health insurance discussion
10:29
Sam: Do you have kids?
Guest: my what
Sam: Do you have children?
Guest: Do I have service?
Sam: .... Do you have kids?
Guest: oh yeah
Me: 😂
I feel like if a lot of these libertarians read some Marx or even some Trotsky they’d love it
Some examples of programs that have no 'free-market' solution since these are infrastructure expenditures that will never reap the investment costs:
1. Rural Electrification
2. Waste Water Treatment
3. Sewage systems
4. Space based weather monitoring
5. Inter-continental, sea floor fiber optic data cabling
And yet, without any of the above, life would be terrifically challenging
These Libertarian calls in just to waste time always acting like they cant hear what did you say huh i cant hear you, say that again. Sam my brother always on point. Great video
Ancaps are just edgy libertarians and conservatives who rediscovered laissez faire economics.
this is one of the best examples of calling radio I've ever seen it was mind-shattering . . .
essentially beautiful turning around very simple basic ideas to get cluttered up and confused with rhetoric. . . thank you all of you on this show who together make it such a success. . . if I hadn't been struggling just to stay alive treading water I would have been with you guys all much sooner.
Thank You, 6 year later as we face the greatest threat to democracy in modern centuries 1900 - 2000
That might be the first time I believe a caller when they say “You’re breaking up ....at least that first time. Lol
Not everyone is born into their ideal country.
some people believe in weird shit
***** society would obviously exist but it would be like a somalian society or maybe turn into a saudi society
Daniel Ocampo, agreed. Most think it's 100% moral and ethical to have a group of people set up a monopoly on the initiation of violence.
Man, I love AnCaps. They make ZERO sense and just try to take leftist words to justify their hardcore right wing beliefs.
I honestly think this dude is just uneducated. He started as “anti war” and worked his way backward to find a political alignment that sounds good in theory and is also anti-war.
"In the future the price of everything will be going down"
Aged like milk that did.
6:10 All mighty future will fix it for us.
Sorry. I read "Libertarian Anarchist" and my brain translated that into "Delusional Sociopath".
+Bronson Kaahui a "valid rebuttal" assumes a valid argument worth rebutting. It's an assumption that never materializes because the underlying illogical presuppositions of the vast majority of libertarians making the argument never passes the reality test. By definition, anarchists are sociopaths, and by definition libertarians are delusional. It's not demonization - it's reality. A state that no Libertarian is philosophically familiar with.
@@WillCarter1976 "By definition, anarchists are sociopaths"...only if the person defining them doesn't know what anarchism is...that would be you, apparently.
The issue of corporatism doesn't go away with a smaller government it becomes more of a problem. Most of us on youtube are too young to know about the days when companies could dump their toxic crap anywhere without any argument. 1970's EPA regulation (clean air and water act) were critical to improving the health of our living environment and thereby human health. Not all regulation is bad regulation. Many are consumer protections.
I wrote one paper for class about our health insurance system versus Canada's single-payer system and during my investigation found out that paperwork is astronomically higher in America than Canada because of private insurance. He's falling all over himself trying to conserve his current values.
What channel is the show 60/60 on? I want to watch it. He probably means 60 Minutes.
Or 20/20
This video made me tear up with happiness.
I may be in the minority here, but I have a lot of sympathy for this caller because I do believe that his experiences of being in the military drastically shaped his political views. I genuinely feel bad for him but I do believe that he is insightful enough to go back to the drawing board and look at what the right policies are for the majority of people, including himself. And those policies are 100% populist left.
How is it that every halfway intelligent person has a strong opinion about health care insurance and cost of delivery of care? These same people can't tell you why for example, they might prefer utilities to use pressurized water reactors over gas cooled, graphite moderated nuclear reactors. They are even unlikely to venture a preference as to the type of anticoagulant they would prefer if grandma got a blood clot - warfarin vs. rivaroxaban, for example. Why do they think they know why healthcare costs are high, and that this is due to government regulations? What makes them experts?
This guy doesn't know what he is but he starts off as an Anarcho Capitlaist.
"Single-payer is better than corporatism, but capitalism is better than..."
nibba what do you think capitalism *_IS_*
ancaps dont use the classical defnition of capitalism, they afford capitalism and free market as the same thing
He's pro lean/effective government rational thinker. I don't know how in the hell he came to the conclusion he's an anarchist
Every time I get an EOB from my insurance company, the cost of the procedure (cash price) is ALWAYS more than what insurance pays (adjusted price)
Dude went from being an anarcho libertarian to a socialist supporting single payer healthcare in 20 minutes
If you're wondering why this guy equally favors Bernie and Rand Paul, it's because these guys are severely undereducated and need to simplify politics into just wanting an outsider. Trump unfortunately put a lot of these guys down a path to permanent conservatism but at the time a lot of folks just wanted an outsider
Who in their right minds thinks anarcho-capitalism would lead to _less_ wars!?!?
The sadistic side of me really enjoys watching Sam beat down on these twerps.
Hobbes Tiger, easy to do when you find a random personal who isn't intellectual. Let him question some prominent anarchist thinkers and see how that turns out.
Kevin Borge he has. He has taken on libertarian presidential candidates and most prominently Walter Block, a hugely prominent libertarian professor, and whether or not you agree with libertarianism, Walter Block got stuck on what happens when his free market court doesnt agree with your free market court and two people dont agree on a third court to settle the dispute.
Joshua Gill, ohhhh the "libertarian" who started "Libertarians for Trump". Ya, he's a great representation. How about someone who has principals and is actually an historic libertarian (anarchist)? As Block and all those Mises guys are basically "let's return to the constitution" xenophobes in disguise. Lastly, as for debating a presidential candidate...like I said...debate an intellect.
lol you are the stereotype that Sam Seder mocks in the first place. "Ohh, those libertarians arent REAL libertarians, only I and those who i believe in are the real libertarians."
Firstly, don't give a shit what Sam Seder thinks/feels/says/does. Secondly, I'm basing the definition of a libertarian through an historical, philosophical, ethical & principled approach. Would you same the same thing to Chomsky, because he lectures about it - ALL THE TIME. I'm leaning towards either a.) You don't know who the hell Chomsky is or b). You have heard of him and will rationalize that him saying Mises' type "libertarians" aren't REALLY libertarians is fine because he's decorated with academic prestige. Read a book.
Gonna be honest I totally agree with him on military. No need for a standing army or any sort of premtive military action whatsoever.
libertarians and anarchists are very different things. this is obviously a little kid who believes everything he's told
Does every libertarian make sure to call in on the same crappy phone? They always conveniently can’t hear Sam when he starts getting into the stats.
Most people aren't actually ideological once they stop to think about it.
*That is why they dont think... /sarcasm*
Point is, if a person votes against their own interests just because they dont BOTHER to actually think about the negatives they are voting for. I would argue they can thank themselves tbh.
Oh, your kids cant go to school anymore because you voted for a 100% profit motivated privatized education. *BUHUU!*
Oh, you dont make as much money because you voted for Union busing politicians that took away your worker rights and you finally figured out that without a backdrop of Unions you didnt have as much leverage in your low skilled job as you thought. *BUHUU!*
etc...
“I think even buying homes will be cheaper.”
Here we are, nearly a decade later, and here in the Boise area, housing costs have gone up like, what, 200% from a generation ago, even accounting for inflation.
These Libertarians… they’ve always been geniuses.
Such a long discussion because someone does not understand the difference between healthcare services, health insurance, and the different cost of these separate things.
Just like the old discussion where a group of people were trying to fix the lack of access to healthcare and the other group kept saying "but the US has the best most greatest healthcare in the universe, so why change anything?".
+IamCancer624 What? Free healthcare? I wrote nothing about free healthcare.
If you want to troll you have to roll out the words better than that.
How old are you?
30.
And your still a libertarian?
Fuck cats no loyalty
he is not an anarchist he is an anarchocapitalist which is not part of the anarchist movement.
Yeah! Bernie 2020 y'all!
“I believe the cost of everything is going to go down due to economies of scale.”
Well it hasn’t happened so far. Cost of production decreases, consumer prices stay the same, corporate profits increase. If you think someone is going to start charging less money just because their cost of doing business goes down instead of keeping prices the same and pocketing the difference then you absolutely do not understand capitalism.
RIP Michael Brooks
This guy seems to be more for what the rest of the world considers Libertarianism as opposed to what the United States does. Seems like he's more in that Socialist Libertarian spectrum, which I'm totally cool with. Really seems well-meaning, just misinformed. Can't really fault someone for that.
How old are you? Oh im the Oklahoma Medical centre years old
So I wonder what this caller would say when he learns that Canada spends a lot less on healthcare than america does? Yes Canada, with it's government run healthcare for all. What would he also say about the cost of prescription drugs in Canada being ten times cheaper than in america because of Canadian regulations on big pharma. Canada, penicillin regiment from Shoppers Drug Mart $18.65 CND. USA, penicillin regiment from Walgreen's $150.00 USD. Why is it so many american's buy into propaganda designed to keep them down? Why are so many american's willing to be controlled puppets to the 1%? It seems there is justification for higher education in america. One last thing, A $1000.00 worth of insulin from Canada would cost you $12,000.00 in america. Good luck with that.
"I'm an atheist for government, I just don't believe in it."
I don't believe you know what that means.
11:15 Sam: "yaeh, but you don't have to get health insurance with them (the military)."
Caller: "Yeah, but it's really cheap and subsidized so.... "
GAME
Sam: "So if it wasn't cheap and subsidized, would you?"
Caller: "Um, I don't think I could have afforded it otherwise."
SET AND MATCH
Real libertarianism and anarchism is libertarian socialism/anarcho communism.
12:23 "I think 'why is uhhh health care so expensive in the first place', and I see that as a function of government."
Exactly one minute after admitting he takes health insurance via the military because it's so cheap.
I’ve enjoyed watching this several times. To hear someone so entirely clueless on such a wide range of issues, whilst simultaneously holding strong views on those things, is a teachable moment. Learn from this kids. Read and listen to those who know before forming crazy views.
Yes healthcare is expensive because of the government, it’s called them allowing the medical industry to charge whatever they want. If we had regulations like other countries we’d have cheaper prices.
I quickly read this title as "Libertarian Antichrist." Would have been way more fun.
I always get confused by americans talking about socialists: do they mean actual socialists or just people with social ideas? Like calling bernie a socialist - you're joking, aren't you?
Lol. 2019 here. Everything cost more.
I wonder if he's worked out that you cannot automate your way to cheaper land yet.
"Dude, you're not a Libertarian, you're a Socialist. And you know what? I applaud that."
XD
2021 Housing Market: Am I a joke to you??
Anarchism is inherently anti-capitalist. This guy is definetely not an anarchist, he just wants to keep the part of the state that protects private property and the rich, which is exactly the part real anarchists want to get rid of.
I think the only common thread among these Libertarians is that they can't own a working phone
“Yeah but it’s really cheap and subsidized” - Libertarian Anarchist
I've yet to see a libertarian on here who didn't say something along the lines of "public education funding is stupid but I so totally used a Pell grant" or "Medicare infringed my liberty but I so totally use it".
Sounds like this kid is calling out of an occupy wall street tent.
This isn't an anarchist approach to achieving an egalitarian society. This is just liberalism
He thinks the military should be reduced, or at least the military budget, I agree with him. As a person who doesn't subscribe to Libertarianism, I disagree with him on everything else.
anarchists can only be left-libertarian. a right-libertarian is not and can never be an anarchist. anarcho-capitalists are not anarchists.
"it was cheap and subsidized"
end of the conversation
Lol Libertarian people have terrible cell phones
Libertarians (so-called ultra-capitalist US version) provide the most entertaining exchanges.
However, the tyranic-government vs no-government false dichotomy is like saying we either have Monarchy-with-Slave-plantations "government" or no government, its either Monarchy or nothing. Our current system of plutocratic crypto-feudal oligarchy needs to be overhauled.
Always with the phone reception.
It was enraging how many times Sam had to repeat himself for this nit wit.
Oddly, difficult questions somehow are never heard clearly.
How about interviewing an actual anarchist intellectual, someone like Gary Chartier, not some Republican who learned what an AnCap was last night on the internet.
You see, the problem with Medicare is actually private health insurance
Are their any examples of Sam debating a Libertarian (a competent one) in a more organized environment. I would be really keen to have a look.
Less of a debate and more of a discussion...which is good. Dude seems less attached to the ancap ideology. Hopefully he's grown out of it by now.
Watching from May 2022 and housing is VERY scarce and home prices have gone way up because rich investors have bought up millions of homes across the country. Three houses on my street have been bought by investors…. The all glorious market!
"I don't want government benefits for anyone, but I'll simultaneously enjoy those benefits while denying they help me."
Libertarians everybody.
In the description, it says 'except' instead of 'accept'.
I was mostly on board with the points the guy was trying to make about overblown military spending and hospitals overcharging patients with insurance until he said his health insurance is subsidized.
So Medicare shouldn't be a thing but keep paying taxes so my insurance can be cheaper than yours? Fuck off with that.
This guy wow. If your gonna call up at least be able to back yourself up.
michael was edgy in 2015 I love it