@@seifenraspel2382Yes. My parents' house will not be on Street View anytime soon, until Google starts using wheelbarrow cameras. There is no driveable road to the place.
not even that recently, google street view is pretty common since over 10 years now, at least for major cities, only very few side streets where not covered but most were
@@williamrockwood5234 that is not correct. A year ago, barely anything was covered. I think Hamburg was covered, but that is about it. The footage was old and did not have a good camera quality. It is recently. Look at the current map, almost entire Germany is covered with street view
@@kingofmontechristo nope. in 2008/09 most of german major cities where covered pretty good. because of the resistence they did not update the fotos in a while until recently, that much is true, but it was still already covered and you could use the streetview in all major cities. I have used it a lot, everytime I had to go to some appointment I looked it up beforehand and while during the years some things sure has changed - the majority of things still remained the same.
@@williamrockwood5234Wrong, before the update that happened last year there were some spots in the cities covered but it mostly looked like in this video
I recently had a look on my house using street view, they blured our sign "Achtung Kampfkatze" (Caution Battle Cat) which you can buy in a lot of construction stores.
Some years ago, there was a Dutch fancy magazine that had a weekly report on some luxurious house. But also on the valuable things that were in it. Then they found out that thieves used the report as a menu to steel from that house. So they stopped it.
Good Points you are making there... Cool that u as an American from a country that has a complete different mentality and philosophy in that regard understand how valuable privacy is! Loved that, thanks Ryan!
Years ago, when street view started, they had to offer an "opt-out-option" for your specific adress to save your privacy rights. So the street is still visible in SV, but the house of your specific address is blurred. But not all streets without or only few residents or companies are visible.
Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say.
The video is outdated, but you hit exactly the point with your remark afterwards. We get told by data collectors - and streetview is perhaps rather harmless compared to other - that our data is safe from unauthorized access. But the problem is: its not you who authorizes acces to your data, its them. And they can authorize what ever they deem neccessary. In the interest of their profit, or national security, or what ever is just relevant at the time. Which means, its basically available for everybody who seems important enough, or pays enough.
Street view data as such indeed is harmless, as long as persons and license plates are blurred out. There were two things in the past that contributed to the outcry and the reluctance to having your house on Street view. One was that they secretly collected the mentioned wifi data. I cannot even remember what the idea behind this was. I think one idea was to use visible Wi-Fi's for location services, but there sure was more to it. The second thing was a misconception people had, as they thought with those pictures people could look into their living rooms and would make it easy for burglars to plan ahead etc. To be honest, i never noticed any window on Street view through which a lot was visible. Which usually under normal lighting conditions is also technically very hard to achieve. But here came also into play a legal aspect of taking photos in Germany, where I have to refer to something that Andrew Bossom (aka rewboss on RUclips) mentiontioned in the video about photography in Germany. There is a legal concept that allows you to take pictures in public places, including persons, as long as those persons are not the main focus of the picture composition, like a portrait. In Germany it is called "Panoramafreiheit". But this concept is limited to images taken just with a camera, so more or less at eye level. You may not use a pole (selfie stick) or a ladder to extend your view into private properties otherwise shielded by a wall, hedge or fence. Also one of the issues with drone images. And I think we can safely agree that for the purpose and to achieve the best viewing angle, the cameras on a Google car (or Bing maps, or whatever apple calls it) are not exactly at a pedestrians eye level.
@@alexanderkupke920 Well, I have once seen the camera looking into a room, that was through a open balcony door of a old house in France. To the panoramic view clause - well, there is probably nothing more panoramic than streetview images, because they are 360° photos. As I said, I dont see streetview as such a dangerous thing. There are other data collections that have much more potential to be harmful, especially if they get combined. Data about banking, shopping, medical data, legal issues ect. Yes, they are only available to "authorized parties" - but who is authorized you cannot decide about, at least you dont really control it. That is much more concerning than somebody seeing that you have your knickers on a washing line in the garden. But as so often people only worry out the superficial.
@@petebeatminister yeah as I said, the fear was mostly a big misconception. With possible planing for burglars being one of the given main reasons. But let's be honest, they never planned to completely map your apartment with all valuables, nor will there in the near future enough detail in those pictures, to help decide which window can be broken easiest or what lock is in your door and how easy it might be to pick. Looking at statistics, if there are good entry routes (and thus also ways to escape) a door or window on the back of the house is the most likely entry point. Not visible to passer bys and on Street view unless your house is situated right in between two streets, very rare. And lock picking or such finessed methods also are rare. Most common is the good old big screwdriver/ crowbar approach to a door or window. Takes only seconds and makes little noise.
I recently learned that I hate privacy laws/setup in the US. I used to think that the fact that I could look up someone's criminal records, which properties they own, which licenses they have and so on was just a thing in the video game I was playing. That's actually public record over there? I wouldn't be comfortable if someone could know which property I own just by looking at the public records. That also sounds like a nightmare for stalker situations. Here, if someone wants to know where you live, they have to ask you. If someone wants your number, they have to get it from you. If a company wants to know if you have a clean record, you request a document from the police that proves that you don't have any crimes (aside from minor things like traffic infractions) on your record. I'm actually still shocked about this and it's soo weird that people can just find that information about you
@@Pseudonym-qh3oo Well its not so hard to get to get many/some of these informations through "Einwohnermeldeamt" and "Grundbuchamt". Of course you need a "reasonable interest", unlike the US, still with a lawyer/realtor/notary its usually no problem. But indeed there is no such thing as public crime records in Germany.
As you noticed yourself and mand other comments telling it is outdated. In summer 2023 Google published Streetview almost all across the country. But you can still asked to make your house unvisible and they will still censor it
Well, one reason is that Germany has had two dictatorships in its modern history, both of which used "spying." So the older Germans are very sensitive when it comes to something similar. The younger ones, who know about these dictatorships just by history-lessons, take the civil rights the older fought for much more casually and for granted. And btw: Apple view is much further along with street photography.
I was a sv driver in germany - a lot of germany was recorded the first time Google went to germany (+10 years ago). But it only was not released! In my state I had already recorded cities down to as small as 50000 people (and above). By now there have been many more updated recodring sessions by google and now they actually released quite a bit from the latest data.
About the wifi thing - street view coming from an era were mobile data connections were costly and unstable - each street view car transmitted a "debug" view each hour to your "boss". Debug quite literally to have a check if the lenses were cleaned by the driver. And from whatnI have understood they used the open wifi to transmit that data in better quality (when a open wifi was aviable). That at least was my interpretation of the whole thing, didnt see it in action.
America be like that meme where a mother asked her husband to saw a hole into the door of her daughter's room since "she brought a boy over" and "how dare she locking the door"
Parts of Germany [even on the same street] is still blurred out but not completely. I had a look where I used to live in the 90's. Some houses were blurred and others not. Some roads you could go up and down, others not.
It's not about whether you have something to hide or not. The point is, you have a right to privacy, to an area in which neither the state nor the economy is allowed to move. It is your right.
2 things prisoners lose after conviction of a crime: The right for freedom and the right for privacy. Somehow the public opinion is that the right for privacy is not a big deal to lose it without resistance. We don't even have to do anything wrong to lose it. We are half prisoners/zoo animals. Maybe not even half because our freedom is how much capitalism lets us do.
We do have Google Street View, but the streets are not complete everywhere. Especially as some new development areas, etc. are not yet included. Also in terms of how up-to-date the view is. Some buildings that can be seen in GSV may no longer exist because they have been demolished or new buildings have been built there that look completely different.
Currently the EU commission looks into violations of the Digital Markets Act (DMA) by Alphabet, Meta and Apple. If they find them guilty it could cost them a high percentage of their turnover (not only the profits). So, the EU commission is not to be played games with. 😅
If someone is allowed to undermine your rights and limit your freedom of speech/expression/opinion, it s only us (Brussels). Just have a look at the Digital Services Act.
They call us "Blurmany" for a reason. :-) At the time, it was also spread that burglars could now see if someone was at home. Older people in particular believed this and objected. As an avid user of Google Street View, I would find it unfair to others if the front of my house was blurred. I have no problem with Street View as long as faces and license plates are made unrecognizable.I also have things that I don't want to see in public, but the front of the house is not one of them. Probably because it's already visible from afar ;-)
That's why it's really weird when you walk with a camera on the street. Here in germany you get some bad comments that the privacy is not secure when you film everything
I'm actually visible as a person on Streetview if you know where to look. :D Saw the Google Car drive by while I was standing by my car at a supermarket I think late 2022. What blew my mind was that it drove over the parking lot and that you actually can actually use all of the parkinglots lanes in StreetView.
You said, it is practical when you want to see what a house looks like. Before I moved here 600km from before, and I could not travel, I looked up google maps. And I thought: super on the other side is a parking lot. So it is quite and sunny in the apartment. But as the removal van came here, that house were about 600m away and opposite of a 11-floors-house that takes most sun light leaving the apartment dark and cold. If google street works here, why is google map often so inaccurate?
if you zoom out on the globe and hold down the street view figurine you can see what countries are pretty much uncharted. belarus for example. and also russia, serbia, bosnia, kosovo albania moldova and ukraine have very little coverage. hovering over ukraine shows that it is mostly the main highways and thats it. in germany it was very unexplored until around 5 years ago when they somehow allowed it. before that only the great cities had street view, like berlin, frankfurt, hamburg, etc.
That was also pushed a lot by the press with false information. Some people even thought it's a live view showing what happens currently in their house. I didn't really understood their concerns. It's public streets. Every person and license plate is blurred and it is legal to take pictures on public streets. So there isn't really a privacy issue. Some argued that the Google Cars taking the picture are doing it higher than a normal person would be able to see. So Google could look over walls and bushes a normal person can not look over. So there is some truth to it. Now last year they had an agreement with data protection authorities and added Streetview in Germany kind of quietly. Most people know it from other countries and know that it's not a live view. So maybe they where more relaxed this time. But it also wasn't made public by the press as much.
Fun fact. This Google mapping sounds actually a lot like what Germany did before WW2. They launched young people on "vacations" all over Europe and mapped Europe in strategic places. After that, World War II was launched with very accurate German maps that were extremely useful for implementing Blitz Krieg strategie.
The right of informational self determination is very important here. It's one of the first things you learn in every IT apprenticeship or any other profession that has something to do with personal data.
The reference video is definitely out of date. When Google drove its Streetview vehicles through German cities and communities for the first time, there was a lot of excitement. There were indeed many people who felt that their privacy was at risk. There were even people, like our neighbor at the time (she was already old and had no idea whatsoever), who thought that with Google Streetview, anyone in the whole world could now see what was happening in their home at any time of day or night. They didn't realize that it was just a snapshot. However, this misunderstanding was also caused by the German media, as many of them stirred up real panic among people that this was Google's attempt to install total surveillance here. That's why the first version of Streetview also featured many blurred-out houses. At some point, the Streetview data was no longer up to date, which is why Google decided (also because of people's initial panic) not to make any new recordings for the time being and to gradually take the outdated recordings offline. However, this has changed in the last 2 years. Nowadays there are updated Streetview images of almost all of Germany again.
The video was right for years, but you just slightly missed the time this worked. In the last two years apple launched its apple maps street view here (idk how it's named, i use android), which launched just fine without any objections. This is what prompted google to also kickstart street view here once again. Now most of germany has at least basic covering in street view.
until last year the Streetviews from germany where like a Time Travle back because all Images where from 2009, that was pretty cool to see your area your living in back than and how much changed :D
As you can see: things have changed. Satellite has worked forever. Street View has recently come to Germany, too. My house is not on Street View, it is in too small of a cul-de-sac 😅 And yes, I sometimes think that Americans just like to shout "Freedom" but have no concept about how to care for this same freedom.
It's actually not true anymore. I think since last year there is Street View for most places around Germany. At least for all Autobahnen and Bundesstraßen, bigger cities and Towns. Only pure residential areas and private roads, as well as villages, smaller towns and rural areas or county roads are still not included into Google Street View. People got used to the services of street view, so that Google was able to start the service and renew all of its pictures in june 2023 without many of the former concerns of the customers.
last year? what you describe is already like that since over 10 years. back then I looked up all the neighbourhoods that I was considering moving to on google street view in different major cities.
@@williamrockwood5234 Yes major cities. But a bigger rollout of the streetview service all over the country and a renewal of the by then outdated data wasn't longer ago, than a year.
Fun Fact: Apple Maps‘ „Street View“ is available nearly everywhere in germany. This happened from one day to the other and I think many people didn‘t even notice 😂
Afaik Apple's map service was always available in Germany, which is kinda rediculous. But like some others pointed out, Google is already driving again through Germany and making new photos. Not sure why Apple had no problem here, but maybe it has something to do with the gear they used. In Germany you are allowed to make photos from public streets, including buildings you can see from the street. However it is forbidden to make photos from private properties. Especially, it is not permitted to film over obstacles like hedges or tall fences. So climbing a ladder or flying a drone and then making photos of private property is not allowed. Google StreetView cars usually have their cameras mounted on a relatively high mast, which might have been seen as a privacy violation, because the cameras were not installed on the typical eye-level, but much higher. Additionally, they harvested SSIDs of wireless routes illegally. Maybe Apple had shorter camera mounts and didn't collected WLAN hotspot SSIDs. I don't know, but it would be my assumption.
Other reasons probably are just timing and the reputation of Google being more data hungry and Apple more privacy focussed (due to different business models). Maybe if Google had tried again two years after their second attempt, it would have ‘succeeded’, and Apple just started in a year when public opinion had shifted.
@@aphextwin5712 Not to mention that Apple is not a thing here (relativly speaking) Everyone knows google maps, many know street view, but I dare say less than 10% of not-Apple users (aka the majority) know that Apple has such a service.
Fun fact. There was a German company which invented „google maps“ which was called terra vision. There is a Netflix movie how google stole the idea and code
It wasn't only the Gestapo who invaded citizens privacy. Until the fall of the Iron Curtain the Easst German government used the Stasi to watch what its people were up to. The film "The Lives of Others" (available on You Tube) tells the story of the Stasi.
6:45 if someone tells you, they don't understand because they have nothing to hide, just ask them for full access to their mail (physical), smartphone and pc (also all of the software run on them). I am curious how many would grant you that access, I mean, they don't have anything to hide, don't they?
For example, I live near a women's shelter (women's shelters provide safe accommodation and protection for women and their children regardless of income, nationality, religion and age if they are being mentally, physically and/or sexually abused). This is why Google is not allowed to make them visible online within a certain radius. The same applies to military installations all over the world.
There are still very current examples of using personal data to disadvantage citizens with undesired behaviors. A particularly big country in Asia comes to mind. There is no guarantee that "democratic" countries may at some point slip into such a form of soft dictatorship.
I use Street View in germany for a long time, i can't remember that is wasn't there. I can remember that i show a google car the m-finger, 3 times in 2012. ;)
Ok, first of all you noticed that it recently changed. Funny enough it was APPLE who released their version of street view in Apple Maps first, google street view reappeared only after Apple released their material. But let me quickly tell you what the real reason behind google stopping the project back then was: Google doesn’t want to take responsibility. They would’ve needed to process a lot of privacy requests and as soon as they realized they would have to employ people to handle the requests within a reasonable and legally defined amount of time they just backed out, not taking responsibility for their project.
the way i see it fukn google should ask everyone if they are allowed to show the house and blurr it if they dont get an ok... when that nonsence started mny polish crime gangs used it to find targets to break in
Warum haben sie so eine komischen Namen? Damit fängt der Schutz der Privatssphäre schon an, sich nicht mit seinem richtigen namen zu "outen" Und das ist auch richtig so. Ich kenne es nicht anders.
I would doubt that privacy is the reason we prefer to pay in cash. At least its not my reason, nor have I ever heard others give the like. Most argue that it helps to keep an overview over ones finances and discourages overdrawing a credit-card or buying what one can't afford based on alternative payment forms (e.g. monthly payments), though I feel as though this aversion to virtual payments has reduced greatly in the newer Generations.
Well... I've always approached these "I have nothing to hide" weirdos like this... "If you don't have anything to hide, then I would suggest you make a sign on which you have to write how much money you earn per year ("we don't talk about money"), what your sexual preferences are and what the worst thing was, you've ever done to a close friend. And then you hang the sign around your neck and ride around town with it on the bus..." After that there was always silence in the forest...
I don't know what you are all talking about...I live in East-Northern Germany and here there is almost no coverage at all...but...there used to be coverage, shortly after Street View started...and then is disappeared...
Google street view car probably took multiple photos of me at three spots in a small city back in 2007 or 2008 when they were basically driving all around Germany even in very small villages like the one where I lived and saw the google street view car passing by our house. So I was excited to see me at google street view once those images were published to the public. But after the big privacy dispute Google obviously decided to hold back most of the images because it probably would be to much of a hustle to process the expected amount of privacy claims all over Germany. So only the big cities got published and I never appeared on Google street view. But when you look at Apples pendant you can see even more than on google street view is possible but nobody cared anymore more than 10 years after the first streetview cars were roaming around in german towns.
"Why would you not want us to have the data, if you have nothing to hide?"....."WHY do you WANT the Data when I am innocent, in the first place, BigBrother?"
If anyone tells you: "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to lose!" Just ask them to check their Phones, cuz you are just curious... Because: "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to lose!" Its NOT about doing criminal stuff, its NOT about being Anti-Gov or paranoid, its just about NOT letting RANDOM STRANGERS see every last litte bit of your life, aka PRIVACY... BTW: Thats also a good reason for not using Facebook and limiting your personal output on "social media" in general 😀 tldr: If we all had "nothing to hide" we would be living naked in glass houses.
I remember my friend in America. She renovated her bedroom with new furniture. The old stuff she put at the street for fetching up. One on the pieces who were standing there was a mattress. Because of a rainshower the mattress was sodden. The next day, it was warm and the sun was shining, and the mattress showed moisture stains. Then the Google Street view car drove by. My friend is so ashemed because now, her house is always shown as if the residens have urinated in bed.
I think that it's a difference if the government has my data or if a company publishes it. For the government I don't really see the problem - because if some gets so powerful that they can imprison people for flyers, they are also powerful enough to legalize the data collection themselvwes. So it's no difference if it was legal before or not. But Google publishing everything is a serious problem. I don't want criminals to know when I am at home or if there is anything valueable in my garden or an expensive car in front of my house.
You can't see if you are at home on street view. And burglars don't use street view to scout houses. They go down the f**** street in person because that is 10 times better. I know of exactly one case of a burglar that chose that house per street view - but he would have known the same stuff he looked for from maps.
The video is now a bit out of date. My house (in Germany) was first captured by Google Street View in September 2022. But considering how long Google Street View has been around, that's pretty late.
i think it's outdated as even in our small street is streetview. There are communities that opted out and one of my neighbours is blured.. which actually is stupid because he is the only one and he did not even have his car on the property. Makes him somehow suspicious for criminals because maybe he is so rich... (and it's a row-house so his house looks 100% the same as the next to it)
You should not call someone stupid who uses his legal rights of privacy. Social media showed us the last years the stupidity of people who showed their whole life and property on Facebook / Instagram / whatever and then one day they wondered, who visited their home and stole everything during their vacancies.
The problem is not the dala collection. Its the issue when people complain, because it binds human ressources. Blurring images is very expensive to Google.
While I'm not strictly against SV, I always find it funny how people approach the "if you've got nothing to hide..." attitude. Everyone who argues like this should be asked to install a public live cam in their bedrooms and be forbidden to use blankets during sex/nudity. They got nothing to hide, right? So, there is no need for privacy ...
To keep their privacy is a reason for using cash more often in Germany than in other countries. Maybe you have another view when your private data are misused by government.
All reactions of that are being DMCA-striked and taken down. Usually SpiegelTV does not go so hard after people doing reactions and so on of their stuff, but after the guy got attacked they decided to do this in this case.
the thing you meantioned with the privacy part of "dont tell your goverment everything" the jews in our country learned that the hard way because the nsdap(nazis) where only able to kill that many because 3 years bevor they took over everyone was asked for there religon simple because people wanted to know but than they used it to track them down
I'm not important enough for the state to care what I buy or don't buy... I've only paid without cash 3 times in the last 5 years, and that's because I had to... I use cash to avoid spending money that I don't have - it reduces the risk of getting into debt
never understood this method =D i never withdraw cash, that helps me to resist temptation to spend money for many little things as i go. i just dont have any with me to spend. if i need some for a special occasion i get the exact amount from the bank. and the "i´m not important enough" part, really? this is so naive... yes i know, i do it all by card BUT i wish i wouldnt. im just too lazy. and cannot handle cash.
I find it humerous how at least americsn english uses " stark" it actualy is the germsn word for strong but u exclusifly use it to describe being "alot" Instad od steing or huge contrast for example 😅 While in german its used the same way as ubwould use strong Er war atark He was strong 😅
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OUTDATED.
last year we got street view so now all of germany has street view
Not all, there are still significant holes. But it is only a matter of time.
NEARLY all. Small streets are still uncovered, but that is not a specific point for Germany.
@@seifenraspel2382Yes. My parents' house will not be on Street View anytime soon, until Google starts using wheelbarrow cameras. There is no driveable road to the place.
Well, I didn't know that. I am so used to no street view I don't even try.
Last year we got street view? Who is "we" ? You and your family? Yeah could be. Germany got it back in 2008.
This is outdated. They updated it last year(?). It is still not as dense as in surrounding countries but way more than it used to be.
and I'm shooked to say that my apartment is now on Google. I mean ok, I'm from NRW and NRW is like 90% covered by now
But there is.... it is outdated. It changed recently.
Edit: You noticed it. Never mind.
not even that recently, google street view is pretty common since over 10 years now, at least for major cities, only very few side streets where not covered but most were
@@williamrockwood5234 that is not correct. A year ago, barely anything was covered. I think Hamburg was covered, but that is about it. The footage was old and did not have a good camera quality. It is recently. Look at the current map, almost entire Germany is covered with street view
@@kingofmontechristo nope. in 2008/09 most of german major cities where covered pretty good. because of the resistence they did not update the fotos in a while until recently, that much is true, but it was still already covered and you could use the streetview in all major cities. I have used it a lot, everytime I had to go to some appointment I looked it up beforehand and while during the years some things sure has changed - the majority of things still remained the same.
@@williamrockwood5234Wrong, before the update that happened last year there were some spots in the cities covered but it mostly looked like in this video
@@Zarok_ not true. major cities where 80-90% covered.
I recently had a look on my house using street view, they blured our sign "Achtung Kampfkatze" (Caution Battle Cat) which you can buy in a lot of construction stores.
really ? 😂
Why? I could understand if it was "Don't disturb, we are making babies", but violence? Never was a reason for a US company to do anything.
Maybe auto detected as a license plate or something?
Battle cat 😂😂😂
@@re-gaming3913 probably
Some years ago, there was a Dutch fancy magazine that had a weekly report on some luxurious house. But also on the valuable things that were in it. Then they found out that thieves used the report as a menu to steel from that house. So they stopped it.
Good Points you are making there...
Cool that u as an American from a country that has a complete different mentality and philosophy in that regard understand how valuable privacy is!
Loved that, thanks Ryan!
Years ago, when street view started, they had to offer an "opt-out-option" for your specific adress to save your privacy rights. So the street is still visible in SV, but the house of your specific address is blurred. But not all streets without or only few residents or companies are visible.
Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say.
The video is outdated, but you hit exactly the point with your remark afterwards. We get told by data collectors - and streetview is perhaps rather harmless compared to other - that our data is safe from unauthorized access. But the problem is: its not you who authorizes acces to your data, its them. And they can authorize what ever they deem neccessary. In the interest of their profit, or national security, or what ever is just relevant at the time.
Which means, its basically available for everybody who seems important enough, or pays enough.
What is your data there? Which color your house have? Wtf is wrong with you?
Street view data as such indeed is harmless, as long as persons and license plates are blurred out.
There were two things in the past that contributed to the outcry and the reluctance to having your house on Street view.
One was that they secretly collected the mentioned wifi data. I cannot even remember what the idea behind this was. I think one idea was to use visible Wi-Fi's for location services, but there sure was more to it.
The second thing was a misconception people had, as they thought with those pictures people could look into their living rooms and would make it easy for burglars to plan ahead etc.
To be honest, i never noticed any window on Street view through which a lot was visible. Which usually under normal lighting conditions is also technically very hard to achieve.
But here came also into play a legal aspect of taking photos in Germany, where I have to refer to something that Andrew Bossom (aka rewboss on RUclips) mentiontioned in the video about photography in Germany.
There is a legal concept that allows you to take pictures in public places, including persons, as long as those persons are not the main focus of the picture composition, like a portrait. In Germany it is called "Panoramafreiheit". But this concept is limited to images taken just with a camera, so more or less at eye level. You may not use a pole (selfie stick) or a ladder to extend your view into private properties otherwise shielded by a wall, hedge or fence. Also one of the issues with drone images.
And I think we can safely agree that for the purpose and to achieve the best viewing angle, the cameras on a Google car (or Bing maps, or whatever apple calls it) are not exactly at a pedestrians eye level.
@@alexanderkupke920 Well, I have once seen the camera looking into a room, that was through a open balcony door of a old house in France. To the panoramic view clause - well, there is probably nothing more panoramic than streetview images, because they are 360° photos.
As I said, I dont see streetview as such a dangerous thing. There are other data collections that have much more potential to be harmful, especially if they get combined. Data about banking, shopping, medical data, legal issues ect. Yes, they are only available to "authorized parties" - but who is authorized you cannot decide about, at least you dont really control it. That is much more concerning than somebody seeing that you have your knickers on a washing line in the garden. But as so often people only worry out the superficial.
@@petebeatminister yeah as I said, the fear was mostly a big misconception. With possible planing for burglars being one of the given main reasons. But let's be honest, they never planned to completely map your apartment with all valuables, nor will there in the near future enough detail in those pictures, to help decide which window can be broken easiest or what lock is in your door and how easy it might be to pick. Looking at statistics, if there are good entry routes (and thus also ways to escape) a door or window on the back of the house is the most likely entry point. Not visible to passer bys and on Street view unless your house is situated right in between two streets, very rare. And lock picking or such finessed methods also are rare. Most common is the good old big screwdriver/ crowbar approach to a door or window. Takes only seconds and makes little noise.
I recently learned that I hate privacy laws/setup in the US. I used to think that the fact that I could look up someone's criminal records, which properties they own, which licenses they have and so on was just a thing in the video game I was playing. That's actually public record over there?
I wouldn't be comfortable if someone could know which property I own just by looking at the public records. That also sounds like a nightmare for stalker situations.
Here, if someone wants to know where you live, they have to ask you. If someone wants your number, they have to get it from you. If a company wants to know if you have a clean record, you request a document from the police that proves that you don't have any crimes (aside from minor things like traffic infractions) on your record.
I'm actually still shocked about this and it's soo weird that people can just find that information about you
You should look up what information about people you can access in norway. Their privacy laws are even more insane than the us‘s
Wtf, is this the reality in the US? That sounds horrific as a German
@@Pseudonym-qh3oo it is if I understand correctly.
As a Belgian I had the same reaction
@@Pseudonym-qh3oo Well its not so hard to get to get many/some of these informations through "Einwohnermeldeamt" and "Grundbuchamt". Of course you need a "reasonable interest", unlike the US, still with a lawyer/realtor/notary its usually no problem.
But indeed there is no such thing as public crime records in Germany.
As you noticed yourself and mand other comments telling it is outdated. In summer 2023 Google published Streetview almost all across the country. But you can still asked to make your house unvisible and they will still censor it
Well, one reason is that Germany has had two dictatorships in its modern history, both of which used "spying." So the older Germans are very sensitive when it comes to something similar. The younger ones, who know about these dictatorships just by history-lessons, take the civil rights the older fought for much more casually and for granted.
And btw: Apple view is much further along with street photography.
fucking bullshit i live in dresden and can see my window on goolge street view.
@@OmegamonUI What, the street view car drove into the prison yard?
@@drau331 I have internet in prison yes you know it.
@@OmegamonUI As usual in german first class prisons. Right.
I was a sv driver in germany - a lot of germany was recorded the first time Google went to germany (+10 years ago). But it only was not released! In my state I had already recorded cities down to as small as 50000 people (and above).
By now there have been many more updated recodring sessions by google and now they actually released quite a bit from the latest data.
How did you find that job?
About the wifi thing - street view coming from an era were mobile data connections were costly and unstable - each street view car transmitted a "debug" view each hour to your "boss". Debug quite literally to have a check if the lenses were cleaned by the driver. And from whatnI have understood they used the open wifi to transmit that data in better quality (when a open wifi was aviable).
That at least was my interpretation of the whole thing, didnt see it in action.
American: What do you have to hide?
German: That is none of your business!
American: It literally is.
Meanwhile, Russian: A nu, cheeki-breeki i v damki!
America be like that meme where a mother asked her husband to saw a hole into the door of her daughter's room since "she brought a boy over" and "how dare she locking the door"
Hi, Ryan! I like how you understand germans more and more!!! 😊
I think they updated it recently but still not all is visible. Our house is also not shown on there
Parts of Germany [even on the same street] is still blurred out but not completely.
I had a look where I used to live in the 90's. Some houses were blurred and others not. Some roads you could go up and down, others not.
1:33 Every halfway serious fan of Ritchie Blackmore has this place in their CD collection at least once.
It's not about whether you have something to hide or not. The point is, you have a right to privacy, to an area in which neither the state nor the economy is allowed to move. It is your right.
2 things prisoners lose after conviction of a crime: The right for freedom and the right for privacy. Somehow the public opinion is that the right for privacy is not a big deal to lose it without resistance. We don't even have to do anything wrong to lose it. We are half prisoners/zoo animals. Maybe not even half because our freedom is how much capitalism lets us do.
We do have Google Street View, but the streets are not complete everywhere. Especially as some new development areas, etc. are not yet included. Also in terms of how up-to-date the view is.
Some buildings that can be seen in GSV may no longer exist because they have been demolished or new buildings have been built there that look completely different.
Currently the EU commission looks into violations of the Digital Markets Act (DMA) by Alphabet, Meta and Apple. If they find them guilty it could cost them a high percentage of their turnover (not only the profits). So, the EU commission is not to be played games with. 😅
If someone is allowed to undermine your rights and limit your freedom of speech/expression/opinion, it s only us (Brussels). Just have a look at the Digital Services Act.
It's not only them. I heard they also sued TikTok for not caring enough about children's privacy
@pkorobase up to 8%
1:29 The moment when you see your hometown in a random video xD.
They call us "Blurmany" for a reason. :-) At the time, it was also spread that burglars could now see if someone was at home. Older people in particular believed this and objected. As an avid user of Google Street View, I would find it unfair to others if the front of my house was blurred. I have no problem with Street View as long as faces and license plates are made unrecognizable.I also have things that I don't want to see in public, but the front of the house is not one of them. Probably because it's already visible from afar ;-)
That's why it's really weird when you walk with a camera on the street. Here in germany you get some bad comments that the privacy is not secure when you film everything
I'm actually visible as a person on Streetview if you know where to look. :D
Saw the Google Car drive by while I was standing by my car at a supermarket I think late 2022.
What blew my mind was that it drove over the parking lot and that you actually can actually use all of the parkinglots lanes in StreetView.
You said, it is practical when you want to see what a house looks like.
Before I moved here 600km from before, and I could not travel,
I looked up google maps.
And I thought: super on the other side is a parking lot. So it is quite and sunny in the apartment.
But as the removal van came here, that house were about 600m away and opposite of a 11-floors-house that takes most sun light leaving the apartment dark and cold.
If google street works here, why is google map often so inaccurate?
if you zoom out on the globe and hold down the street view figurine you can see what countries are pretty much uncharted. belarus for example. and also russia, serbia, bosnia, kosovo albania moldova and ukraine have very little coverage. hovering over ukraine shows that it is mostly the main highways and thats it.
in germany it was very unexplored until around 5 years ago when they somehow allowed it. before that only the great cities had street view, like berlin, frankfurt, hamburg, etc.
That was also pushed a lot by the press with false information. Some people even thought it's a live view showing what happens currently in their house. I didn't really understood their concerns. It's public streets. Every person and license plate is blurred and it is legal to take pictures on public streets. So there isn't really a privacy issue. Some argued that the Google Cars taking the picture are doing it higher than a normal person would be able to see. So Google could look over walls and bushes a normal person can not look over. So there is some truth to it. Now last year they had an agreement with data protection authorities and added Streetview in Germany kind of quietly. Most people know it from other countries and know that it's not a live view. So maybe they where more relaxed this time. But it also wasn't made public by the press as much.
Fun fact.
This Google mapping sounds actually a lot like what Germany did before WW2.
They launched young people on "vacations" all over Europe and mapped Europe in strategic places.
After that, World War II was launched with very accurate German maps that were extremely useful for implementing Blitz Krieg strategie.
And Google just gives such data to everyone... Big security risk.
I bet someone read your comment and now thinks google is planning for ww3
They definitely have money for it @@sergeantsilly5239 😉🤣
The right of informational self determination is very important here. It's one of the first things you learn in every IT apprenticeship or any other profession that has something to do with personal data.
The reference video is definitely out of date. When Google drove its Streetview vehicles through German cities and communities for the first time, there was a lot of excitement. There were indeed many people who felt that their privacy was at risk. There were even people, like our neighbor at the time (she was already old and had no idea whatsoever), who thought that with Google Streetview, anyone in the whole world could now see what was happening in their home at any time of day or night. They didn't realize that it was just a snapshot. However, this misunderstanding was also caused by the German media, as many of them stirred up real panic among people that this was Google's attempt to install total surveillance here.
That's why the first version of Streetview also featured many blurred-out houses.
At some point, the Streetview data was no longer up to date, which is why Google decided (also because of people's initial panic) not to make any new recordings for the time being and to gradually take the outdated recordings offline.
However, this has changed in the last 2 years. Nowadays there are updated Streetview images of almost all of Germany again.
The video was right for years, but you just slightly missed the time this worked.
In the last two years apple launched its apple maps street view here (idk how it's named, i use android), which launched just fine without any objections.
This is what prompted google to also kickstart street view here once again. Now most of germany has at least basic covering in street view.
until last year the Streetviews from germany where like a Time Travle back because all Images where from 2009, that was pretty cool to see your area your living in back than and how much changed :D
I have no problem with that. My House is at the end of a Private Street 😁
OP has all the right opinions about data collection. Now OP should tell his government.
It's an old video he reacted on. Now, we have google view almost all over the place.
Watch the video by Matthias Schwarzer about the village that stopped streetview.
As you can see: things have changed. Satellite has worked forever. Street View has recently come to Germany, too. My house is not on Street View, it is in too small of a cul-de-sac 😅
And yes, I sometimes think that Americans just like to shout "Freedom" but have no concept about how to care for this same freedom.
It's actually not true anymore.
I think since last year there is Street View for most places around Germany. At least for all Autobahnen and Bundesstraßen, bigger cities and Towns.
Only pure residential areas and private roads, as well as villages, smaller towns and rural areas or county roads are still not included into Google Street View.
People got used to the services of street view, so that Google was able to start the service and renew all of its pictures in june 2023 without many of the former concerns of the customers.
agree. Haven´t even encountered one time I coudn´t use it
last year? what you describe is already like that since over 10 years. back then I looked up all the neighbourhoods that I was considering moving to on google street view in different major cities.
@@williamrockwood5234 Yes major cities.
But a bigger rollout of the streetview service all over the country and a renewal of the by then outdated data wasn't longer ago, than a year.
@@HerrFinster yea that is true
Outdated, Google release completely new coverage last year, and almost whole Germany is covered now. Also we have much less blurs now.
Also they launched it during the summer when nothing else interesting happened. So all media outlets jumped on this topic.
Fun Fact: Apple Maps‘ „Street View“ is available nearly everywhere in germany.
This happened from one day to the other and I think many people didn‘t even notice 😂
Afaik Apple's map service was always available in Germany, which is kinda rediculous. But like some others pointed out, Google is already driving again through Germany and making new photos.
Not sure why Apple had no problem here, but maybe it has something to do with the gear they used. In Germany you are allowed to make photos from public streets, including buildings you can see from the street. However it is forbidden to make photos from private properties. Especially, it is not permitted to film over obstacles like hedges or tall fences. So climbing a ladder or flying a drone and then making photos of private property is not allowed. Google StreetView cars usually have their cameras mounted on a relatively high mast, which might have been seen as a privacy violation, because the cameras were not installed on the typical eye-level, but much higher. Additionally, they harvested SSIDs of wireless routes illegally. Maybe Apple had shorter camera mounts and didn't collected WLAN hotspot SSIDs. I don't know, but it would be my assumption.
Other reasons probably are just timing and the reputation of Google being more data hungry and Apple more privacy focussed (due to different business models). Maybe if Google had tried again two years after their second attempt, it would have ‘succeeded’, and Apple just started in a year when public opinion had shifted.
@@aphextwin5712 Not to mention that Apple is not a thing here (relativly speaking) Everyone knows google maps, many know street view, but I dare say less than 10% of not-Apple users (aka the majority) know that Apple has such a service.
@@steemlenn8797
Ur right, it is the first time I heard if it.
Fun fact. There was a German company which invented „google maps“ which was called terra vision. There is a Netflix movie how google stole the idea and code
I'm on Street View standing on a street corner in Hamburg for over a decade.😎
It wasn't only the Gestapo who invaded citizens privacy. Until the fall of the Iron Curtain the Easst German government used the Stasi to watch what its people were up to. The film "The Lives of Others" (available on You Tube) tells the story of the Stasi.
6:45 if someone tells you, they don't understand because they have nothing to hide, just ask them for full access to their mail (physical), smartphone and pc (also all of the software run on them). I am curious how many would grant you that access, I mean, they don't have anything to hide, don't they?
For example, I live near a women's shelter (women's shelters provide safe accommodation and protection for women and their children regardless of income, nationality, religion and age if they are being mentally, physically and/or sexually abused). This is why Google is not allowed to make them visible online within a certain radius. The same applies to military installations all over the world.
There are still very current examples of using personal data to disadvantage citizens with undesired behaviors.
A particularly big country in Asia comes to mind.
There is no guarantee that "democratic" countries may at some point slip into such a form of soft dictatorship.
I use Street View in germany for a long time, i can't remember that is wasn't there. I can remember that i show a google car the m-finger, 3 times in 2012. ;)
Ok, first of all you noticed that it recently changed. Funny enough it was APPLE who released their version of street view in Apple Maps first, google street view reappeared only after Apple released their material.
But let me quickly tell you what the real reason behind google stopping the project back then was:
Google doesn’t want to take responsibility.
They would’ve needed to process a lot of privacy requests and as soon as they realized they would have to employ people to handle the requests within a reasonable and legally defined amount of time they just backed out, not taking responsibility for their project.
5:58 Wait...this is "Stortinget" the norwegian parliament.
I don't get it, I could use google street view for my home town like 10 years ago already. I grew up and still live in Munich Germany.
3:02 : Best joke of the week. 😂 Thx Ryan 🎉
the way i see it fukn google should ask everyone if they are allowed to show the house and blurr it if they dont get an ok... when that nonsence started mny polish crime gangs used it to find targets to break in
When you have nothing to hide,than you can go out naked. Greetings from Germany.
Even if your Name is Esther or Adolf? Komm schon... Das ist Blödsinn, oder?
Who decides what is something to hide? This can change from one day to another.
@@maraboo72 Exactly 👍
If your bathroom isn't public, then you too do have something to hide.
Probably everyone has.
Warum haben sie so eine komischen Namen? Damit fängt der Schutz der Privatssphäre schon an, sich nicht mit seinem richtigen namen zu "outen" Und das ist auch richtig so. Ich kenne es nicht anders.
I would doubt that privacy is the reason we prefer to pay in cash. At least its not my reason, nor have I ever heard others give the like.
Most argue that it helps to keep an overview over ones finances and discourages overdrawing a credit-card or buying what one can't afford based on alternative payment forms (e.g. monthly payments), though I feel as though this aversion to virtual payments has reduced greatly in the newer Generations.
Well... I've always approached these "I have nothing to hide" weirdos like this...
"If you don't have anything to hide, then I would suggest you make a sign on which you have to write how much money you earn per year ("we don't talk about money"), what your sexual preferences are and what the worst thing was, you've ever done to a close friend. And then you hang the sign around your neck and ride around town with it on the bus..."
After that there was always silence in the forest...
I don't know what you are all talking about...I live in East-Northern Germany and here there is almost no coverage at all...but...there used to be coverage, shortly after Street View started...and then is disappeared...
It was funny to see the Google maps car on my streets 5 years ago,a car with german number plates:)))
learning a lot new things about my country haha :D
Google street view car probably took multiple photos of me at three spots in a small city back in 2007 or 2008 when they were basically driving all around Germany even in very small villages like the one where I lived and saw the google street view car passing by our house. So I was excited to see me at google street view once those images were published to the public. But after the big privacy dispute Google obviously decided to hold back most of the images because it probably would be to much of a hustle to process the expected amount of privacy claims all over Germany. So only the big cities got published and I never appeared on Google street view. But when you look at Apples pendant you can see even more than on google street view is possible but nobody cared anymore more than 10 years after the first streetview cars were roaming around in german towns.
"Why would you not want us to have the data, if you have nothing to hide?"....."WHY do you WANT the Data when I am innocent, in the first place, BigBrother?"
If anyone tells you: "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to lose!" Just ask them to check their Phones, cuz you are just curious...
Because: "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to lose!"
Its NOT about doing criminal stuff, its NOT about being Anti-Gov or paranoid, its just about NOT letting RANDOM STRANGERS see every last litte bit of your life, aka PRIVACY...
BTW: Thats also a good reason for not using Facebook and limiting your personal output on "social media" in general 😀
tldr: If we all had "nothing to hide" we would be living naked in glass houses.
Google maps is no longer constantly updated because too many people in Germany are against it.
nonsense. You must be confusing something.
maybe you meant Street View (not maps) - until about 2022.
you are right. my fault
@@tobyk.4911
I remember my friend in America. She renovated her bedroom with new furniture. The old stuff she put at the street for fetching up. One on the pieces who were standing there was a mattress. Because of a rainshower the mattress was sodden. The next day, it was warm and the sun was shining, and the mattress showed moisture stains. Then the Google Street view car drove by. My friend is so ashemed because now, her house is always shown as if the residens have urinated in bed.
I think that it's a difference if the government has my data or if a company publishes it. For the government I don't really see the problem - because if some gets so powerful that they can imprison people for flyers, they are also powerful enough to legalize the data collection themselvwes. So it's no difference if it was legal before or not.
But Google publishing everything is a serious problem. I don't want criminals to know when I am at home or if there is anything valueable in my garden or an expensive car in front of my house.
You can't see if you are at home on street view. And burglars don't use street view to scout houses. They go down the f**** street in person because that is 10 times better. I know of exactly one case of a burglar that chose that house per street view - but he would have known the same stuff he looked for from maps.
The video is now a bit out of date. My house (in Germany) was first captured by Google Street View in September 2022. But considering how long Google Street View has been around, that's pretty late.
As my Granny always say: the less people know about you, the less you give them space to attack you
As a hardcore geoguessr player I can tell you that it got released with 2024 coverage
i think it's outdated as even in our small street is streetview. There are communities that opted out and one of my neighbours is blured.. which actually is stupid because he is the only one and he did not even have his car on the property. Makes him somehow suspicious for criminals because maybe he is so rich... (and it's a row-house so his house looks 100% the same as the next to it)
You should not call someone stupid who uses his legal rights of privacy. Social media showed us the last years the stupidity of people who showed their whole life and property on Facebook / Instagram / whatever and then one day they wondered, who visited their home and stole everything during their vacancies.
What? It is even available on countryside in tiny villages with less then 50 houses…
I am Millenial generation. I always checking and op-out what still is on "legetimate interessted" when i enter a page.
there is no legitimate interest
@@steemlenn8797
Right, who legalized what and why?
There legalized interest still may be the opposite of MY interest.
has changed since mid 2023 i would say..more and more streets now become available meanwhile
The problem is not the dala collection. Its the issue when people complain, because it binds human ressources. Blurring images is very expensive to Google.
@01:29 ... eh, I know this placee .... it's downtown.
MY Hometown with 19.500 citizen is almost street view with Google maps!? How old is the video you reacted? Lf
Being forced to opt in (on every website I visit) makes using the Internet less pleasant. But it's just a normal part of life now.
While I'm not strictly against SV, I always find it funny how people approach the "if you've got nothing to hide..." attitude. Everyone who argues like this should be asked to install a public live cam in their bedrooms and be forbidden to use blankets during sex/nudity. They got nothing to hide, right? So, there is no need for privacy ...
Old video. Germany has it now in most places, unless you actively go and get your home/premises blurred out for privacy reasons.
Who doesn't learn from history, is damn to repeat it.
Street view should be illigal everywhere, its a gigantic security risk.
That does not changed recently. We have Street view as long as it exist here
Yeah but it was only on the main roads mostly...
To keep their privacy is a reason for using cash more often in Germany than in other countries. Maybe you have another view when your private data are misused by government.
Love your shirt 👍
Google wanted to drive through German saunas, but the lense blurred automatically due to moist when the infusion started.
Just kidding 😉
9:30... cash is printed freedom 💸
I love Europe.
I just love it.
❤
Except sun bathing in the park lol
I love your shirt 😂
This is outdated. Some houses are blurred if the owners don't want to show them.
You should react to the "Anzeigenhauptmeister" documentary by SpiegelTV it's very popular in Germany right now😂
All reactions of that are being DMCA-striked and taken down. Usually SpiegelTV does not go so hard after people doing reactions and so on of their stuff, but after the guy got attacked they decided to do this in this case.
the thing you meantioned with the privacy part of "dont tell your goverment everything" the jews in our country learned that the hard way because the nsdap(nazis) where only able to kill that many because 3 years bevor they took over everyone was asked for there religon simple because people wanted to know but than they used it to track them down
well actually lots of small London UK streets do NOT have street view.. and some parts are 5 to 10 years old! Bing sometimes has better views..
I'm not important enough for the state to care what I buy or don't buy... I've only paid without cash 3 times in the last 5 years, and that's because I had to... I use cash to avoid spending money that I don't have - it reduces the risk of getting into debt
never understood this method =D i never withdraw cash, that helps me to resist temptation to spend money for many little things as i go. i just dont have any with me to spend. if i need some for a special occasion i get the exact amount from the bank.
and the "i´m not important enough" part, really? this is so naive... yes i know, i do it all by card BUT i wish i wouldnt. im just too lazy. and cannot handle cash.
Well, now there is...
I find it humerous how at least americsn english uses " stark" it actualy is the germsn word for strong but u exclusifly use it to describe being "alot"
Instad od steing or huge contrast for example 😅
While in german its used the same way as ubwould use strong
Er war atark
He was strong 😅
"Er war stark" 😉