Is Level 90 Still a Trap? | Genshin Impact
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- Back in the day Lvl 90 was quite the resource trap a lot of people fell into, some deny it, some try to reason for it, but ultimately it was an expensive endeavor that yielded little reward. Is this still the case though even if you're a newer player?
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I hope the sight of my 89/90's brings you as much joy as it brings me.
It does. Glad you're not wasting that last level like most people :p
But me, I stopped raising most of my characters at Lv. 80/90 (formerly Lv. 81/90 mainly to avoid confusion for newer players who are unfamiliar with the ascension mechanic).
Most of their levels past Lv. 80 were gained through KILLING EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM because I was angry IRL.
I kinda do same i raise most to lv80 and then stop as for my favourite units that i enjoy the most and well actualy use the most got the lv90 treatment thats smth u can afford to do if ur a BP buyer and i havent farmed a single leyline since day1 except for the times there were events for em
@@BlackPointt Dang, I knew the Battle Pass gave big rewards but as someone who only got 1 Blessing of the Welkin Moon ever (I don't plan to spend anymore), perhaps they're bigger in practice...
It's funny how Tartaglia is one of my favorite characters and he's at Lv. 83 while Venti (somewhere between my Top 10 and Top 20) is at Lv. 84...
Venti just ends mob fights so easily.
Who are your favorite characters?
@LunaticTactician Yeah been buying welkin BP since i started playing it so almost from the launch and as a working adult the 15$ per month or well BP is bit longer that isnt such a big deal and i love the game so i dont see it as a waste and simply support smth i rly enjoy in my limited free time. And BP is well worth it for the stuff it gives out.
As for favourite ones Its HuTao, Ganyu, Raiden, Yelan although i also like using Yae didnt 90 her though or recently acquired Yoimiya whom i did 90 just to redeem myself for skipping her the first time cuz i spent all on raiden haha.
Why is Yanfei beside Eula? It's no longer in alphabetical order! XD
Level 90 means that in coop if someone is using the same character but a lower level, you usually get to use your desired character because they will switch out of shame >:)
Gotta flex on'em sometimes xD
It is asserting dominance.
this plus having their signature weapon. i’ve lost count the amount of times i’ve said “I have amos bow” especially back when ganyu first released.
@@thecalmbeforethemaelstrom Omg your terrible
(I also do that and be acting all rich when I got it from Standard with f2p pulls)
it's fun flexing my ganyu on co-ops for this reason. not the most built one but triple crown lvl 90 with amos bow
only time I'll back down is if they have
constellations on their ganyu lol
To me there's only two factors. Frequency of use and the fact that this is a guaranteed permanent increase. Sometimes you just need to stop gambling on artifacts and get something concrete
For me, I'd add a third: your resource reserves. I've got a decent amount of xp books saved up. And every event, every BP (at the first paid level, so 4x what a F2P gets), every week of teapot, gets me more. That means I can afford to blow some on inefficient things. For this reason, the characters I like are all at 90/90, even if I rarely use them.
What keeps others that I would raise just cause from being 90/90 isn't the xp books or the mora, but the resin required for ascension mats. That I don't have enough of. And so those characters aren't even 80/90.
Fr. As a F2P I'd rather spend resources on leveling up to 90/leveling talents/leveling weapons and have alright artifacts rather than spend all my resin trying to get really good artifacts when all I get is trash. At least by making my characters lvl 90, I can guarantee some sort of damage increase. Obviously I don't do it to every character, but I've done it to characters like Zhongli, Raiden, Xiao, Xiangling, etc.
I always level my char to 90 no matter their roles. My priority when using char be like: Level 90 (around a week) -> Talent 8/8/8 -> Spam Arti Domain (until friendship level 10) -> move to another char. But yeah, I already have 4 meta teams so I'm just doing this because I dont know what to do anymore until the next archon quest released (gotta watch the end one day).
YES! Sometimes I'd just rather spend my resin on a guaranteed investment for my own sanity. The artifact system is so tacked against the player that seeing as steady progress toward getting the last ascension materials feels much more sattisfaying than to keep trying your luck at a good artifact.
Also, Crowns
Pretty good scaling increases
I never thought 90 was a trap per se. I always thought of it as a guaranteed upgrade as opposed to the non-guaranteed resin sinks in the game. The only downside is the resin cost but if you play this game everyday you will get there.
You can also wait for the EXP books to pile up from events and exploration and level up characters one at a time with some kind of priority order (be it logical or just because they're your favorites), this way you don't feel like wasting too much resin
I am new and I was told to lvl 90 my main damage dealers I lvled Noelle, Yelan, and Yoimiya now newer supports like Xingqiu is crawling with level. Yeah level 90 is when youre in late game where you have a max ascended team.
I simply lv90'ed every characters I use just for the sake of not looking at imperfections 💀💀 and I must say that's alot of book but whatever, at least I dont have to look at the 80/90 level
I Lvl85 or lvl89 all my characters except Amber and Xinyan..
@@kei9611 the one who told you that is objectively wrong. Level 90 is always worth it, however the only characters that really get rewarded by level 90 are sub DPS units. Anemo Characters, electro characters in Transformative reaction teams, dendro teams, these are the characters that really need level 90. Pyro characters only gain extra skill levels and base stat increases, and that's all.
You can totally leave most main dealers at 80
You DO NOT want Xiangling in any Dendro teams ! Her Pyronado applies so much Pyro that it will disrupt all other reactions and just trigger burning
Use Mona -> Collei -> Xiangling -> Kuki. Its the best team for me to fight any mobs in tayvat excluding abyss.
>immediately adds her to all my dendro teama
Well I'm not using Xiangling in a dendro team. I use dendro in my Xiangling team.
Why would you anyway. Burning and burgeon are a meh reactions when you can use aggravate or spread. Xiangling is only good on national variations or melt Ganyu anyway.
You would have to pair her with characters that apply fast hydro (childe, double hydro xingqiu/yelan, etc) to keep triggering enough bloom seeds to burgeon, but at that point, just run her in a vape team lol
Defense and hp scalers are worth taking to 90 in my opinion. I tried on my albedo and it's worth it. He hits for about 28-30k per crit bloom when he was lvl 80, after ascending and fully leveling him up it hits 35-40 and sometimes even 45 when the enemy resistance is low. It may not be a huge damage increase but it's consistent
Defense, HP, Swirlers, and Dendro-dependent Carries has a huge benefit when reaching lvl 90. Atk scalers are contented being 80/90.
Not Zhongli though IMO. My level 84 Zhongli already has 43k HP which is more than enough for me, the shield never breaks. Level 90 Zhongli is extremely low priority for me
@@fishfox for zhongli even lvl 80/90 it already enough for me since using tenacity he gains 30% shield strenght. and 33k its quite comfortable.
@@fishfox depends on if you went full shield only Zhongli or sub dps I think.
I went for the sub dps variant. For the 65~k meteor (pre buffs). So the level 89. Helped bring his hp to 34k. Enough to make him basically invulnerable all the same haha
@@fishfox i think this is about dmg, when is comes to supports you just need lvl 70
Honestly going from 80 to 90 is just a week's worth of resin, technically less once you factor other sources like the teapot, commissions, events, chest you haven't yet found, quest you haven't done yet, monster drops, and other sources.
Compare that to artifact farming where it might take an entire month just to get 1 elemental dmg cup that ends up with garbage sub stats, and you may start to feel the guaranteed upgrade was a better use of your time and resources.
I'd rather raise a new useful support to 70, than a dps that scales from atk to 90. And bad artifacts are needed for xp and strongbox anyway.
The thing is that one good artifact can bring you like 5 times more dmg than raising your character to 90.
Even if the artifact rng is so bad they are still more worth it to farm
yeah but damage different between lvl 80 and lvl 90 standard (non transformative and non hp/def scaling) character is so little that most of the time it's just not worth the investment
@@elsacacaca9033 if that artifact took 6 times the amount of resin to find, leveling would've been more efficient
And like you can simply just spend one week farming heroes wit to level a character up then boom next week I’ll farm artifacts. Or maybe you need a weapon leveled up so resin on enchantment ore (if you don’t have any) or weapon domains. Maybe you’re broke. Gold lay lines. Finding a good full set of artifacts could end up being more resource intensive than just going for that level up. Nothing is “resin inefficient” if you actually just need it
80-90 is still a upgrade, even if very minor compared to running artifact dungeon and not getting shit :D
Also most of my books come now from serenia pot every week + events, so reshin cost for that is much much lower.
General rule is -- save enogh books to get 1 new character lvl 1-90 day one (if its a right type) and use the rest to lvl up slowly.
This is a pretty common misconception
Artifact farming can be MASSIVELY efficient if your artifacts are not already at a high level. It is MUCH more worth getting a solid artifact set than even going beyond level 7 or 8 in your talents
The only thing is once you do have a solid set, your efficinecy with artifact upgrades falls off a cliff.
But I see so many people get such high talents and levels and not touching artifacts that they really hinder their power and progress
@@JelloImpact It all depends on rng.
However if you farm them and you maxed xp to 20 on most of current ones, i recomend using those boxes to get new ones.
Crimson witch, anemo one, cryo one are best to use the extra fodder.
If you lack xp, you can also use serenia pot ones, but xp gain is shit and its still better to get xp books.
Also if you need xp, its still better to use reshin on ley lines for books and just farm the daily limit of trash artifacts from random areas as it saves you 20-40 reshin easy (you get almost enogh xp to get 19 --) 20 artifact)
@@JelloImpact The answer is to know when stop farming. Some people try to get perfect ones while their talents are lvl6 or worse.
Balance is the right thing to do.
@@pontoancora Yeah the idea behind it's solid because there's a limit to how many runs you need to get talents and ascension. When your bosses drop 2-3 of their materials, you can calculate how many runs max you'll need to do. And the mats needed for talents is also a set number. So you could have your character leveled to 80/90 with 9/9/9 talents or 1/9/9 depending on the character obv before you even get a solid set.
What you can do, though, is take any meh pieces you get from ascension and world bosses to try and get a solid set on the side. You definitely want to make sure you're balancing everything. It's just that new players don't always know what they're doing, so the easiest thing to tell them is do everything but artifacts first whereas an experienced player would make sure to keep an eye on everything and know how to balance what they're leveling.
@@evewhoo My lvl 90, triple crowned, best artifects, Gorou, would disagree with you.
Sara should be 90, reason is the same as Bennett.
We need her to be at Max base attack.
Both of them being leveled contributes less to team DPS than you think. Bennett (who has better scaling on his buff) going from 80-90 will give you less than 20 more flat ATK on his buff. You're generally better off highly investing in all the other characters on the team up to a point
@@JohnJillky + with constellation would be better rather than using huge resource for bonus 10-20% upgrade.
@@snowflak6173 Honestly kinda confused on what you're trying to say lol
@@snowflak6173
Actually
Bennett lv80(ascended) vs lv90
Only increase his atk buff by less than 2%(with sapwood Will be lower if a sword with higher base atk)
If you didnt believe me i can show you the calculation
that's just not true, difference between lvl 80 and lvl 90 Bennet is just 13 base damage. that's 684,800 Mora and 171 Hero's wit wasted
9:16 sara's party atk buff rely on base attack just like bennett
so I think she deserves a check just like bennett, in my opinion.
I just give it to Bennett because I use Bennett far more, which is a statement that's true for most of the community. But if you're someone who uses Sara more then absolutely, I agree. I just can't go over my reasoning for everything in the video otherwise it just gets boring.
also sara is not recommended till c6 , and basically only cuz of the crit electro buff... so yeah sara sill question or X in my opinion
@@vergil9981 I mean she's still great not only because she frees up your Bennett for other teams, but she does crazy damage too, way higher than Bennett's.
@@xisco5525 i mean beacuse sara is only really build for dmg , if you build bennet for dmg he does more than sara
@@xisco5525 you're comparing a healer hp build Bennett with atk Sara in that case. Attack and crit build Benny does way more damage than Sara since he has access to melt and vape.
2.5% damage increase may not seem like much until it's about whether you finish Abyss chamber on time or 5 seconds late.
Also if you play actively, you hit diminishing returns on everything. Finding better artifact that will improve your damage by 2% may easily get more expensive than getting your character to level 90.
So I'd say if you're short on resources, always put your resources into whatever is currently the cheapest way of increasing your combat capability. And if you're not, do whatever you please.
Absolutely this
I've been juggling between upgrading characters and weapons and farming artifacts for so long that it got to the point where I've maxed out 70% of my roster to lv90 9/9/9 (or 1/9/9) with half-decent artifacts
Once you're at this point, I feel like you can clear pretty much any content comfortably and you can waste resources on anything you wanna experiment with
I like the round number. I am aware that I waste mats but it all has an aesthetic payoff
I know right, and this game is mainly for aesthetic though
You waste nothing. The real waste is the infinite artifact farm some people recommend.
@@pontoancora i always prioritize character levels, weapons, talents and finally artifacts since the rest have a guaranteed drop and upgrade (don't know how to say it)
Right now im farming for raidens artifacts since i have most of her stuff ready and i kid u not but I've been farming for almost 5 months now in emblem domain and i still don't have 3 decent pieces let alone a set. Artifact farming is a scam
I think that's the right way to look at it. You play the game in the way that's most satisfying to you. Otherwise you're doing it wrong.
@@HolyZahard we don't need perfect artifacts.
1-2 weeks are enough to get all pieces with the main status you want, as average, besides full EM set, that needs 3 weeks.
But people can't be satisfied without 200-250cv...
80 to 90 is important for Albedo because it is still a considerable increase in Transient Blossom damage due to the base defense increase
Me and my Lvl 90 DPS gorou are watching this with much silence.
Hahaha, if you enjoy it, then it wasn't a mistake. But for general recommendations for the average player I can understand why most players don't need Gorou at 90. But players should never be afraid to ignore general recommendations and just do what they like.
Exactly! Have fun, that's all that matters! I just like to give info for people to be informed.
I usually just max out my DPS's and anemo characters for the swirl damage, ofc Bennett is an exception cuz of his burst but the rest are usually 80 and rarely 60-70.
Sara is same as Bennett for higher buff
@@hatakekakashi3228 i don't have raiden so i never bothered with building sara. I know she can be used in other teams but i personally don't find any use for her right now. But yeah like Bennett she should be 90 too
Same. Tho i did upgraded yelan to 90 cuz she scales up with hp
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I just like levelling characters to 90 cause it makes me feel like they’re more complete. It’s usually something I take slower but it feels like the right thing to do after the final ascension (which sometimes takes a while cause it doesn’t always feel worth it depending on the character). I’ve fully levelled some of my more meta units as well as just characters that feel special to me (ie the team I used for most of my time playing). But I generally just play to have fun so if something is “worth it” or not doesn’t matter that much to me, I’ll get all my spent materials back eventually
Level 90 never was a trap.
It's way more efficient to level up to 90 than to farm artifact if you already have average ones.
In the early days people used to say that leveling is not worth it. But the same people have had bad artifacts they had been farming for only a few days.
I was literally searching for this question for about an hour earlier today and this got recommended to me. Thank you very much for this video. It's exactly what I needed.
Exp books and mora are never enough. Level 90 is still a no for me even for EM based characters. Max i will ever go is 89 which is Kazuha and Albedo. My end game goal is to try and build every1 so those exp books are precious treasures
My thoughts and goals exactly! Since I whale for everyone I need a lot of books. But I don't whale enough to buy endless mora from the stardust shop. I do have A LOT of books right now, but we're getting an onslaught of characters so I still need to be somewhat conservative with how I spend.
with time, every single resource in this game loses its value to your account.
to mine, the first one to become meaningless were weapon crystal upgrades. used to be always short on them. me and my friend cleared both of our worlds of crystal every 3 days in coop while chatting. it was our main way of playing the game together. but it came a point where i noticed my weapon upgrade crystals weren't dropping from 2000+ anymore. So i stopped farming for them. i have never ever ran out since. i even stopped sending expeditions after crystals because it wasn't need. went after mora instead.
then XP books. i've always tried my hardest not to do leylines as i think they're a waste of resin, but since the teapot came out, that alone is enough to sustain a healthy economy in addition to what you get from events. Hardly ever ran dry of xp books since the teapot came out. I did a few times, but it took very little time to recover each time.
then came artifact xp (at least for a good while). after stopping doing crystals, i opted to instead go do monster/artifact routes with my friend (or solo, i exercise in a stationary bike and i like something to distract me while i do it, genshin is perfect for that). i used to either keep the 100+ daily artifacts for fodder or to sell it for mora, almost religiously. but then... artifact farm slowed so much because i had so many good pieces that upgrading them became hard. So now my inventory would always get filled with trash artifact and i'd have to either sell them or use to try my luck with some of my not-so-good-but-potentially-good locked artifacts. eventually i just stopped doing this religiously (actually, at all, for a good half year).
Then it was the turn of Primogens. there was nothing i wanted :D primos were just like "whatever". it's not like this anymore, but it certainly doesn't have the same appeal it used to, specially because new characters all seem so damn bad and i practically don't want any of them, so i'm always waiting for a rerun of something that takes looooooong months to come by.
and latest was mora. it's been at least half a year since i had less than 10 million mora banked. right now i'm at 20 million and raising, even though i'm not saving or anything of the sort. in fact i spent a whole bunch recently, at least 6 million, but i have more than made up for that again in no time.
right now my account doesn't need anything. so i farm whatever i WANT. which is artifacts.
@@Ratheil i dont whale but got chars up to 85ish tho can afford 90 i just dont want to waste EXP as they slowly level up thugh gameplay.
I still haven't leveled any of my characters to 90 because I'm a hoarder and constantly think "what if". I'm still able to 36 star abyss just fine, but sitting on 33 million mora and 3k xp books feels like a waste.
I had 330 mora yesterday.
I have 15 million mora and I have 37 people at level 90 and about 800 books
@@mrscotchguy I had 0 at one point...dark times
@@kaga.mine. How?💀
@@kaga.mine. worst is having 0 wanderors advice diddent ralize when level you will only get heros wit and the red ones. wanted to get 1000 white adventures advice and keep that as my "zero point" but i diddent realize when levle up they become unreproducable althugh i still have around 700 which is plenty and i jus tsave them for level ups near the stub end so im nto wasting exp. i usaly try to levle my char to 85-86 so they can continue to gain exp from killing and doing things else that gose to waste, despite being slower than RS speed.
Lv 81 should be enough to let everyone know that you ascended said character to maximum, allowing you to unlock every passives.
All Passives Unlock Till 70.
80,90 Is Just Ascension Stat Increase.
@@waylonpark2340 still a passive benefit. You get it without having to do anything.
@@ITBEurgava Heresy.
I Farmed Tons Of Stones, Slimes And Boss Mats
@@waylonpark2340 Trivial sacrifice.
To show to who? No shit you need to play coop
To add, there is a break point, even for atk characters, where levelling from 80-90 is more efficient than farming artifacts for main dps. However, you should be able to clear abyss with 36 stars long before that.
I upgrade literally every character I have to level 90 even if I don’t use them. I also get their talents all up to level 6. It makes randomly deciding to pick up a character really easy since all I have to do is throw on a weapon and a few artifacts and play. If I decide I really like them or having them in my team, the. Building them out completely takes little to no effort since i have virtually everything I need instead of having to start from scratch.
i upgrade everyone to 50 for the wishes. but at this point most of my roster is at 90, and most of the rest is 80 or 70.
i like this idea. ill probably just go to 80 tho
I’ve put aside artifact farming for months now. I’ve been focusing on leveling up all the characters I want to 90 and leveling certain talents as well as new weapons I get along the way. I told myself to hold off and it’s working out great. I have manageable teams to get me through the abyss but I would like a bigger roster of teams to choose from instead of the main 3 teams I use.
I have 18 level 90s. Working on Mona (I know) and then plan on doing Tighnari and DMC next in that order.
I do 2 weeks of artifact farming for each char. No more than that.
Not worth.
@@pontoancora for each character is insane dude
@@gizmo928 Each that i want to play
@@pontoancora this is not enough for me, i've farmed 2 weeks for xiangling and still no good artifacts(all i got was def artifacts) so now i'm just raising my ganyu instead.
The best thing you can do on any character if you dont plan to dump your resources into them, level them to lvl80 and then do the ascent to 90, but dont actually level up to 90. Since ascending a character gives a much more powerful stat boost compared to a level up.
yes
Sara is worth to lvl 90, her buff also scales off base atk
I can see why he maybe'd her though. If you use her, then yeah. But, well, most people don't use her that much. Bennett is typically the better choice. She's also clunky until C2. For most players, she's likely not a character worth upping at all, let alone to 90, simply because they will barely use her.
@@Axterix13 well that is a mute point tho, not even Bennet or Kazuha is worth raising to level 90 if you are just going to bench them
For me, no coz i'm not going to bother fighting her boss another 8-10x. Leveling up raiden was pain enough
I can TLDR my thoughts: Bennett is used far more and is just more meta. I may have more fun with Sara due to her burst but I still use Bennett way more since he heals. Sara just has less applicable teams so it's not a goal of mine.
I use Hyper Raiden with C6 Sara and Bennett. You're right it's definitely worth it. The damage bonus increase is noticeable and significant
For def hp and em scaling characters lvl 90 is a really good investment
More important than an atk scaling character
So, it's a question of whether you want to spend a ginormous amount of resin to get those marginal increase that comes with level 90, or would you rather use it for artifact RnG.
In conclusion, do you want a slight increase in "concrete factor" (weapon, talent, and level). Or, do you want to gamble on your luck and you may surpass those concrete factors.
To me wasting resins is the least of my concerns I just do whatever. Nothing will bring big value to my account.
Play the game long enough and you realize as long as you can get easy clear it doesn't matter anymore.
After the first two weeks of artifact farm, I prefer going to garanteed increase.
i only doing it becuase jood myself my way thu the game.
I think level 90 is still worth it cusin general they’re still gaining something from it whether that’s their basic ATK and DEF or their basing off of their skills, bursts, and passive they gained from their stats. That and one of my main goals is to get the best out of all my characters and yes that means getting them at level 90.
Yeah for some characters it doesn't do much like Childe but for characters like Hu Tao it makes a big difference not a Huge one but it's worth doing it if you enjoy her.
I recommend only level 90 the characters you love when you have the resources for it.
Don't do so if you feel guaranteed to get character and don't have enough to level them up.
even for childe it's decent, his ascension stat is hydro dmg bonus and he ofc benefits from base atk
@@godzdead Also if you combine him with Raiden Shogun, you get a lot of Elemental Reactions just by hitting normal attacks, I have been using him with Both Raiden & Qiqi and as Off Field Aplicators and I trigger Freeze, Electro Charge & Superconductor enough to trash bosses HP
Razor is actually really good in a full EM build in dendro teams! Zajeff went over this in his video known as Thundering Furry! This is due to Bennett C6 infusing his attacks with pyro WHICH DOES NOT OVERRIDE HIS BURST! This is due to the face his wolf he summons is actually the one applying electro! Meaning in dendro teams he can trigger burgeon quite a bit! If I remember correctly you run him on gilded dreams, Fav Greatsword, with DMC, Bennett, & I believe Xingqiu
Benny and Sara's kit benefits greatly from being lvl90.
Defence based characters also benefit greatly from lvl90, as the base defence stat increases more substantially than atk. My Itto, Noelle, Albedo all are lvl90.
HP based units like Yelan, Zhongli, Diona, Kokomi and Ayato also receive great benefit from lvl90.
For some reaction based teams you better raise your characters to 90, I never thought of it as a trap but more like a goal. As if you achieved the maximum power of your character.
i wish i could think about these things in a practical way but my brain literally cannot handle having the incomplete number
After leveling my first character to 90 today, it certainly felt like a trap! It costed me an arm and a leg, and I don't feel any stronger for it. It feels like artifacts and leveling skills directly is a bit more important.
I plan to raise all characters that I actively use to lvl 90 because it looks nice and I am perfectionist. Many of them are already lvl 90 (Yoimiya, Childe, Itto, Ganyu, Zhongli, Jean, Yelan, Kazuha, Kaeya, Xiangling, Bennett, Beidou, Fischl, Sucrose). Currently working on Ayaka, Traveler, Xingqiu and maybe Rosaria and Razor (he was my main till ar 50 now I actually want to build Thundering Furry). I mostly use books from BP, teapot, abyss, sumeru exploration and events. And sometimes leylines from leyline overflow events.
Can you buy everything from the teapot in a week? My trust rank 8 and I bought the resin and a few artifacts exp and I am out of currency. Do we always have to choose what we want??
A note: The actual amount of hero's wits to get to 90 is somewhere around 390~400. You use the blue and green ones, which you also get when doing the leylines.
IMH, before dendro the only good transformative reaction was swirl (mainly because of the op artifact set)
But instead of fixing the other EM reactions dmg overload, superconduct and shattered they just made up new electro reactions that can also crit like vape melt, without really fixing the problem just forcing electro onto dendro
i level 90'ed the characters i liked the most.
Keqing, Amber and Traveler.
Now 2 of them stay on my main party 24/7 (Keqing + Traveler dentro aggravate comp), and one of them is situational (Amber is my Crowd control demon with her baron bunny)
there is just something about amber that's so fun. she's the character i'm most avidly collecting constellations right now. she's coming again in the next shop refresh, i'm totally buying her. c2, here we go. finally, two baron bunnies!
i love how theres no in-between for amber. either you think shes complete trash or you love her to bits 😭😭 ive also been saving for my girl's constellations so i can make my machine-gun build even better and give my friends on discord even more headaches while i share my screen
idk why i thought my amber was c1. she's c4! so c5 here we go, lol.
I just hope that in the background of the video you were farming the fungus you got, because farming all of them and notice that it was the wrong one is the biggest pain in the world
I think unless you are dedicated to specific characters (for me it's the Traveler and Noelle), one might as well just ascend them to the final star, but to not use any books on them and just play them since they'll eventually get to lvl90. As for their talents, I'd say it's the same too - save resources for other characters, and if you are dedicated to specific characters, you can choose to crown them.
I'm still capped at lvl80, but when I raise my world, I will follow this philosophy.
(For anyone that's curious, I'm stuck on AR45 just so one of my friends can join my world. I don't know when they'll ascend their AR, but that at least gives me time to raise lots of characters).
You know you can lower world level to make your friend join anyway, right??
@@silver5962 Are you by any chance implying that I can lower my world level down to lvl4, even when I'm AR55?
Afaik, you can only lower your world level down once from the highest possible lvl, depending on the rank. So if I'm capped at lvl6, I can only move down to lvl5 and no more.
World Level 4 is the one that my friend plays on and kinda refuses to move to lvl5 atm. ig I'm just being safe.
I've saved up around 360,000XP. That's probably enough to move me to around AR50, maybe higher.
@@DaWorldGuardian001 so idk if you've ascended of not but 80k got me to just above 49. So 300k should take you above 50 😭
@@morgunpaxson1934 I've ascended to AR50 and last I checked, I now have about 350k extra XP 💀
I ascended when I had over 420k. (I can't remember the exact number).
At least Anemo Lumi now has her final constellation.
Came back to this nearly a year later specifically because I couldn't remember how beneficial level was for which reactions. It's such a handy breakdown! Sadly, I have wasted resources leveling some characters over others, which is a shame because I really want to get Neuvillette next patch, but my reserves are kind of spent. Oh well. I'll just work him up 10 levels at a time.
I bring all the characters I frequently use to lvl 90. Not because of increased dmg or whatever, but just cause I can't stand leaving a character "incomplete"
(I've also tripled crowned zhongli, raiden, yae and jean... so I'm not really a "max efficiency" player lol)
I relate to this so much xD
For me, the primary reason of 90-ing a character is moreso the Ascension stat, because it usually stacks on top of the base attack increase in terms of overall damage gained.
Did you even watch the video before commenting
@@laithisr I said "For me", bro, leave me alone.
There's a factor in that i haven't seen any other people say:
Your level matters when calculating your damage towards enemy defense. The more underleveled you are, the less damage you'll do.
that was at the end of the video, it's only around a ~3% increase
@@lesbianduelist7727 what about abyss? enemies there reach level 100
9:04
Razor has another option than Physical or Aggravate that has higher DPS and, more importantly, is arguably much more fun to play than either: Thundering Furry, where you build him full EM and pair him with Bennett (preferably C6, but not mandatory), Xingqiu and Dendro Traveler to fill your screen with a rainbow of Vaporizes, Overloads, Electro-Charges, Hyperblooms, Burgeons and Aggravates, in which it is very much worth leveling him to 90 because almost all of his damage comes from transformative reactions.
9:16
Sara's ATK buff scales on her base ATK, just like Bennett's, so you will want to 90 her if you aim to maximize it.
9:30
Unlike Bennett and Sara's buff, Shenhe's Quills scale on her total ATK so, as you explained earlier, the marginal increase in base ATK you gain from leveling her to 90 might not be worth the costs if you don't have the resources.
9:40
Full EM Raiden is typically used as a Hyperbloom or Overload trigger, not for Aggravate because the reaction scales harder on DMG% and Crit than EM, so Aggravate builds generally want EM/Electro/Crit instead, though the sands' mainstat may still vary depending on the character, the stat distribution on their other artifact pieces, the weapon they're using and external buffs.
9:50
It can be worth taking Xiangling (or Pyro carries in general) to lvl90 if you play them a lot in Overload or Overvape teams because then a transformative reaction becomes a significant part of their damage.
It really depends on how many chars you are building vs how long have you played. For me I only have like < 20 chars built and have played from start. I literally have 50+mil mora and 6k exp books. So, getting to 90 is no questions asked.... For the other peeps, that are going to build every single char, it's better to stay at level 80
"Do not waste your books and Mora."
Me with around 10.000 books and 90 million Mora: "Hmm, okay"
Genshin is a trap in and of itself anyway 😭😭
My wallet agrees.
I love level 90'ing my fav characters (Lisa, Kokomi, Albedo), it shows dedication 👍
If you want 37% to your secondary reactions(swirls, electrocharged), if you want to deal 17% more dmg to lvl 100 enemies because they will get less def if your character is lvl 90 and not 80, if you want to level your talent level to 9-10, if you want more stats(hp, def, atk), if you want more stats from ascention... You literally need to level your mains to 90...
85 and then get the rest just by killing enemies. Saves a lot of resources
Honestly, level 90 is so worth it. Because suppose if you level raiden to 90 and compare her burst with no buffs, sure you’ll get like a 1000 extra damage? The thing is that it’s a multiplier and the multiplier will keep, well, multiplying haha. Multiplying all ur stats to achieve the highest number possible. So yes in my opinion it is worth. Also a lot of people in the comment section say that even after dendro they don’t wanna waste resources so for characters like kuki who are 4 stars and not worth to waste so many books on, they leave her at 80/90 which doesn’t make sense. Just level a character to their max level. You will enjoy the satisfaction trust me. Also these dendro based characters like kuki, thoma, nahida you have to level them to 90. You can’t just ascend them and call it a day
9:54 xiangling is worth lvling to 90 on a specific comp like raiden national or fischl national because your xiangling iwll be triggering overloads, for raiden national i think she does around 8 overloads, that amount of overloads is no joke and you should probably lvl her to 90
Thanks I needed this because I have a c6 xiangling and I have 0 ideia of what to do with her
Thnx dude it helped me a lot
Glad it helped somebody! Really wasn't sure if it's something people would wanna hear so far into the game!
@@Ratheil got Zhongli and wasn't sure that should I lev him upto 90 or not and this video helped me lot on that aspect now I know whom to lev up and whom not to
@@Ratheil keep the good work and new players are always joining so you video is absolutely worth it , keep the good work bro
I highly recommend using damage calculators to see how much damage increase you get from leveling to 90 and any other sources of damage increase… if you’re not lazy, that is. You can even use some scanners to automatically have datas of your weapons, characters, and artifacts. I feel like you should be able to judge clearly if you’ve seen the exact damage increase
Gotta love it when all 4 characters I use the most are starred
My highest levels are at 89 because with 90 I feel I would be wastibg exp (even if the exp gained is not really important)
Should consider using books until at least 90% exp bar filled from 89 to 90 because if you stop at 0 XP LV 89, it takes veeery long time to get to 90. I stop using XP books for klee at 89, but until now it seem stuck at 70% XP bar, even though I main her everyday.
@@azeto2797 I honestly don't really expect to get the character to 90 with the exp, I just don't want to waste it
@@hectorlackless yeah you right, just do what you like. In my experience, I leave the character at LV 89 and use them everyday. And 1 year from now that character maybe still at 89.
The girly squeal of excitement when I saw Lisa with a star- 🤩
I wish that the explorations let you get exp books even if its just a little
I never maxed my characters to 90 by books because I like to grind character exp from trash mobs for the long haul.
I currently have 9 characters at level 90: Razor, Qiqi, Diluc, Albedo, Xiao, Eula, Yoimiya, Kokomi and Heizou. The first six I did before knowing that going to the max level wasn't worth it, but the last three I did just for the sake of it and because they're my favorite characters. Right now I just level most of them until 80 or 85 depending on their role.
I liked just bec of how cute that kokomi sticker on the thumbnail looks
Ayaka (and any primary DPS) actually has a case to be made. She can do such a high percentage of team DPS that leveling someone like her will give a significant increase to the team DPS. More than leveling someone like Bennett
Leveling Bennett might increase team DPS by like 1%. Leveling a character (for a 4%+ DPS increase) who does 50% of the team's damage can mean a 2%+ team DPS increase
Agree on Ayaka, also add Xiao
@ really, even subDPSes could fit. A 4%+ dmg increase to someone doing 25% of team DPS could be better than leveling Bennett
I mean, with the amount of "dead time" between events or things where you'll want to have resin and resources available, I just think it's natural to might as well get your characters to max lvl, not like you have much else to do anyway
Level 90 is well worth it, especially for characters that increase crit rate or crit dmg on ascension, which is what all of the relevant characters these days do. The only problem is the grind to level 80-90.
Bad reasoning. Ascension bonuses come at ascension, rather than leveling to the highest level that ascension allows. In other words, 80/90 gets you the last bonus. When people talk about stopping at 80, they usually mean 80/90.
When you put "Trap" and "Genshin Impact" together, somehow my mind flew right to Xingqiu for no reason
For me, it's level 60-80 ascended. I like my characters to reach the next ascension point through character EXP, rather than books, if I can help it anyway. I am not interested in reaching level 90 at this point.
It's not really necessary unless you're hunting marginal gains and crowning.
I've been saving primos and resources for more than a year. I decided to pull for Dori and Kokomi and I am struggling to get them to level 90. So even if you save a lot, the amount of expenditure of resources is too damn high.
I am glad Nahida is not out yet because no matter what happens I am getting her to 90 even if it kills my account.
It never was, and especially after 3.0 with the introduction of Dendro it's especially nice to take your characters to 90. Heck, even back in 1.6 when changes were brought to swirl and the other transformative reactions, it's actually beneficial to level them all the way upto 90.
Maxing out your characters at lv89 so you don't waste the exp from killing mobs is the true 5head strat
I never really thought about it. I am a genshin player since launch and I was aware that people saying that level 90 cost lots of mats etc etc.
But I never hesitated to Max level my Keqing Diluc and Venti. And eventually Childe and so on. I even crowned Keqing without hesitation and even though she's not meta I don't have regrets.
I main Ayaka and Ganyu now. With Hutao on the side when I need her.
not that meta matters, but keqing is super valuable now with dendro :) you were ahead of your time haha
I’m 59 AR and still don't have a single lvl 90 character. Zhongli has the highest level, it’s 86, the last two levels rose by themselves during the game, I did not waste resources. The rest of the characters I often play are level 80-82 and I don't want to waste my resources on them. I clear every Abyss with such ease, that I see no point in leveling them up to 90
I have all 12 of my limited banner 5 stars at 90 and additionally I also levelled Jean and Sucrose to 90 as well.
The character just doesn’t feel complete without it.
I’m ar55 and have leveled one character to 90 it’s Kaeya. I did this knowing the huge resource depletion it would be because I know I will most likely continue to main him forever so viewed the investment as worth it even for the small increase. As of rn I have no more plans for anymore characters to go higher than ascended level 80 except maybe Barabara.
Considering they’ve added more characters that scale off of level such as HP scalers and EM scalers they’ve made level 90 a little less useless
I think if a character scales off of a stat which is greatly increased by levelling, them it's worth it. E.g Kokomi scales with hp, Itto scales with Def, Bennet scales with base atk. This is obviously assuming you want to max out these characters though
Instead of scaling reaction damage with character levels, they could have made EM a base stat you get from leveling, alongside HP, ATK and DEF, and have reaction damage scale off of just that in a more transparent manner. I don't get why they had to make the damage calculations for reactions so arcane, when everything else is so comprehensible.
personally, talents and getting a character i like to 90 has always been my priority because artifact are not guaranteed upgrades.
Level 90 for me is just a testament that i loved that character enough to max their level. If leveling to 81-90 is just "wasted" resources, well, im willing to "waste" on a character i enjoy using so much - even if said character dont scale to any stat from the leveling. 😅😅😅
One more reason to lvl 90: Assert dominance in co-op domains
from lvl80 to lvl90 is 30% dmg increase for transformative reaction based characters. Yes, 30%. Swirls, overload, bloom, hyperbloom...
Honestly, I levelled every single character I have (every 4* save 1 and about 10ish 5*s) up to 80 just because I could, going to level 90 is all that's left unless I want to do artifacts, weapons or talents...
6:00 i think that table level 80 is 80/80 not 80/90 is why the increase is significant from lv80 to 90 due to ascension stat boost.
I dunno, level 90 never felt like a trap to me. It allowed my Anemo characters to push around everything they wanted and also allowed me to cap out my character's talents.
The slightly higher stats weren't as important as just being level 90 for Spiral Abyss or getting those tasty level 10 talents on my Noelle.
Level 90 isn’t a trap its a matter of commitment and dedication to a character
my rule of 90 is simple, u go 90 if
1. u a DPS
2. I like you enough
3. all of the above
regardless of math and calcs, I've been following this simple 3 step process since day 1
As someone who tripple crowned Amber, this video and its recommendations have no effect on me. All characters I use are level 90 and I still get a stockpile of books for the next character I might use. But then again, besides childe, there is no one I want at this moment. So just level 90 everything and everyone does sound like something I might do someday. I started like 6-7 months ago and I often run out of ideas for my resin by this point, so leylines it is.
This is a good video with great explanation, but I do have some nitpicks that I want to share.
I can't help but notice that the transformative reactions in 5:22 are wrong. I noticed it instantly cause the swirl base damage at 90 is ~868, not 721.69. Might wanna double check with the wiki there. Your values for Spread and Aggravate are correct though.
Also, Aggravate and Spread should have the same relative damage increase as transformative reactions as they scale with the exact same scaling, just a different multiplier (Aggravate is 1.15x, Spread is 1.25x, Swirl is 0.6x, etc)
Bennett's base atk increase is also not that massive, it's only a 13 base atk increase, which if you have a t13 Burst, is only ~18 atk increase. Considering you're already gaining a metric ton of atk from him, it's such a minor increase that I wouldn't recommend it. Same thing applies with Sara.
Your values for Spread and Aggravate are correct though
I’ll level up all the aspects of characters that are guaranteed to make that character better. Meaning lvl 90 weapon and character, lvl 9 talents and constellations
For me, 90-ing characters is like a last gift to my characters, because I have completed their build (for now). It's a sign of my investance and love to and for them!
The only time I'd say to someone NOT to level up to 90 is if they have other glaring holes in their characters like unlevelled talents, bad artifacts (as in REALLY bad, 12% crit rate, wrong mainstat etc) and unlevelled weapons (If you do not take your weapon to 90 then you are just trolling). Every new dendro team wants the characters triggering the reaction to be 90, any team that uses swirl really wants those anemo units to be 90, overvape and other transformative reaction teams also want the triggering unit to be max level and any def/hp scaler gets a good amount of benefit from it too. Even if you are using an attack/crit scaler, I'd still say to take them to 90 before trying to min/max your artifacts. Again, you should get serviceable artifacts first but trying to fish for 50 CV god rolls while you are at 80/90 to be "resin efficient" is griefing yourself.
i have 7 90s and i use all of them regulary: raiden, bennet, sucrose, xingling, xingqui, eula, and qui qui,
qui qui definietly isnt someone you want to get to 90 but she was my first 5 star and i regularly use her in taser comps so its absolutely worth it for me.
I play since February but I only lvld Kazuha to 90, because it apparently boosts his reaction damage a lot, and Tighnari, because of this same reason. If the character isn't reliant on reactions (like my Ayato) then I'll skip it, but maybe I should for heavy HP-scaling characters like my Yelan or Zhongli. But I'd rather have to lv80 over one level 90 and a level 60
Depends on the character. If it the benefit the character gives to the team gets better with more than 2 stats like hp with attack like hu tao or with em then yes.
Doesn't sara also buffs attack based on base attack like bennet but not as much. I think she's also worth it.
Never saw the point of leveling a character to 90 if you don't love/use them often. There's a reason my only lv90 currently is c6 triple crown yanfei, simply because I cherish her greatly
So this leaves out on thing character level affects how effective enemy defense is. The increase is relatively small at only 2.8% vs level 100 enemies at 80 vs 90, but together with the base attack increase we're looking at 5-6% which puts the total increase right inline with a talent level. It's not the most efficient upgrade as the cost is , but it's always been a noticable one.
I literally have like 20 odd lvl 90 characters... I may or may not be in favour of it.
Usually when I level characters if they're dps', they go up to 90 and sub-dps/supports stay at 80-90
I haven't necessarily leveled my characters up to level 90, but all but 2 (technically 3 because missing Dori) are fully ascended (level 81/90). I leveled them to 81 to distinguish them from the 80/80 characters.
As for my non-fully ascended characters, that's Collei, Tighnari and the missing Dori.
When its cheaper resin wise to level to 90 than it is to get perfect artifacts....3 months and counting looking for a sands.